protection

[tropic linden]

Oh shit, i wasn't following him

That's why i though he wasn't streaming

LoL

I use luxthos WA

[dawn canyon]

i just remember not liking his fury one

[tropic linden]

My only problem with the base blizz UI is the health bar that is very thin, thank god it'll be fixed at 10.0

[dawn canyon]

but its a good preset

[tropic linden]

Rlly? Why?

[dawn canyon]

easyframes fills the healbars empty thing with class color

[dawn canyon]

i despise the way WW is tracked

[tropic linden]

Those 2 blue bars?

What's the problem with them?

[dawn canyon]

yes

i dont like that

[tropic linden]

Oh, ok then hahaha

[dawn canyon]

mines just like this

[tropic linden]

The base blizz ui?

[dawn canyon]

so i can 100% tell what i have

[tropic linden]

I don't like having a lot of addons, can't be bothered to learn ElvUI

[dawn canyon]

it fills that name only thing out

i had it a while for pvp

but then elvui

elvui is fine if you have a good preset and have fun messing with things

[craggy pilot]

Elvui is just boxes tho

[strong forum]

Na usually I stream once every 2 months, it's rare for me to play this much

[hazy edge]

Oh lol

[strong forum]

This is the most I've played SL since launch week

[hazy edge]

LOL

tbf prot war is insanely fun rn

[trim bay]

@strong forum is your UI available to upload as a profile?

[strong forum]

Ya it's on wago

Just look for Nomeratur

Its for 1440p tho so if you're on 1080p it might look a bit large

Or not, idk

[timber slate]

Should have done that rep farming last week👀

[dawn canyon]

ye im just dumb

[distant dragon]

where can I get that :3

[dawn canyon]

its mine i made myself

[distant dragon]

looks great

[dawn canyon]

remains a work in progress since im always forgetting things when i make these

[strong forum]

A UI is never finished

[dawn canyon]

yup

[sick sentinel]

i can recieve a +14 or +13 something soon

[jagged pier]

Mine has been finished since wotlk

[strong forum]

Yours never started

[jagged pier]

RUDE

[dawn canyon]

i agree with nome

[jagged pier]

RUDE

[sick sentinel]

its time for me to take my place as a leapy boy i was meant to be

wait, the neck is haste versa tho

[dawn canyon]

id be ashamed wearing a 275 so i would skip it

[sick sentinel]

it is what it is tho

[dawn canyon]

oh yea thats just me being dumb

unsure if thats the pick

[urban portal]

it has to be

you can get 272s anywhere

[sick sentinel]

that vs that and i probably have the flux but not the cd

6410 flux im good on that shit

[dawn canyon]

oh that makes legs more appealing

since ur neck is alr p good

[sick sentinel]

sanguine greivous..... oh no....

[dawn canyon]

Seems fine

[timber slate]

Take the neck

BiS

[strong forum]

It's only 272

[dawn canyon]

But the pants are big ilvl

And his neck is FAT alr

[timber slate]

Yeah nvm

Pants has PoG stats

[strong forum]

Pants are a much larger upgrade

[timber slate]

easy week

[urban portal]

At least there’s no hidden 5 affix of the Kyrian spear

[dawn canyon]

fury kyr week

[gray iris]

hey guys how is the trinket codex of the first technique?

[timber slate]

better than a 226 occular xD

[gray iris]

is 278 codex of the first technique better than blood spattered scale trinket?

[strong forum]

No

Codex isn't good for us

[gray iris]

is it better than bladedancer's armor kit?

[strong forum]

Uuuh

Not until high keys

Codex will have to do 400ish dps to beat blade dancers

[gray iris]

the other option i have is of a shit ring with crit and vers as main stats...Again im stuck with 22% haste 😦

[strong forum]

Rip

Unless you want to pick the ring, I'd take socket

[gray iris]

this is what i get lol

[chilly brook]

Sim it and take the biggest damage upgrade

[tame jasper]

😮

[strong forum]

What about that belt

[gray iris]

i already have 265 renecarving armor

unity leg

[strong forum]

Well yeah but you're eventually gonna craft the 291 version of it no?

[tame jasper]

Codex of the First Technique Icon Codex of the First Technique — A really solid defensive trinket that is definitely worth using.

[strong forum]

Yes that's from a few months ago

But now things have changed through more math

[tame jasper]

For me it does about: 400k damage done, 350k healing, uptime 39%

[gray iris]

yeah so getting this 278 makes no sense for me rn..i dont wanna lose the leg

[tame jasper]

hm

[strong forum]

And you lose 5% mainstat for it

Did codex do 5% of your dmg

[tame jasper]

So switch to Elegy of the Eternals , Scale or back to Fatescriber I think

[strong forum]

Elegy or scale will provide alot more yes

[tame jasper]

in my yesterdays streets 23: 5.19% by Riposte of the First Technique

[strong forum]

So gj, you broke even with a trinket without an effect

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

23 is defo too low for codex to have value

[hazy edge]

This is when I wish the codex website worked for non-bdk tanks as well

[urban portal]

can you link that

and yeah i basically just manually computed everything, was a huge PITA

[gray iris]

is there a way to simulate m+ fights?

[hazy edge]

https://walruscow.github.io/codex_vs/

[strong forum]

Nop

M+ is so varied

It's a massive hassle to try to simulate it

[wild hemlock]

1 vault 1 shield babbyyyyyyy

been chasing a 278 shield all tier lol

[gray iris]

so should i get on with the codex triket then? Ring is shit and the belt is of no use..I only have one choice left

[strong forum]

You can pick the coins at the bottom

[cinder storm]

I remember asuna saying back in bfa he used to sim fights pack per pack in dungeons

[strong forum]

Yeah 1 way to sim m+ is

[wild hemlock]

i like doing 3 target, 5 target and 10 target 45 secs to a minute with no buffs for m+

[strong forum]

Sim 1 target 3min
Sim 5 targets 1min
Sim 10 targets 1min

And then find a middle ground of the results

And no BL except on 1 target

[wild hemlock]

yeah listen to nome

change my 3 to 1

[median tulip]

I just wear my highest ilvl

[strong forum]

^

The real answer

Just follow the prio list

[urban portal]

this site is weird, i pasted a bunch of 29 blood logs and codex is worse than decanter a lot of times

[wild hemlock]

im gonna make seismic for weekly below 20s this week

[cinder storm]

I follow the gym rule with sims, you dont measure your muscles when tightening them

[hazy edge]

Yup. Codex is very overvalued

[strong forum]

Ya ima fish for some seismic logs this week

[toxic pewter]

need help. 278 weapon or 278 chest piece.

[tame jasper]

weapon

[toxic pewter]

I realy like the weapon with haste

[wild hemlock]

id take 278 wep anyday

[toxic pewter]

I know right

chest is high ilvl but shit stats

[strong forum]

Weapon

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[urban portal]

def weapon

[wild hemlock]

it changes in catalyst anyways

[toxic pewter]

true..

should I take chest for tier

[cinder storm]

yes

[tame jasper]

chest only if you can catalyst it for set bonus (stats are changed anyway)

[wild hemlock]

no you can get 272 tier

[toxic pewter]

I already have 4 piece

[wild hemlock]

wep

[tame jasper]

But weapon is rare, chest is common

[minor helm]

@strong forum I always like ur PFP gives me vibes

[toxic pewter]

weapon has nice stats

[strong forum]

[urban portal]

def weapon

3 ilvl weapon>6 ilvl chest

should be

[toxic pewter]

Ok

agreed

[sick sentinel]

legs alone equip from 239 to 275 is a 3 ilvl increase

was a slot holding me back

[toxic pewter]

is 262 crafted gloves with haste better than 278 gloveswith no haste

[urban portal]

No

[cinder storm]

I'm going to shitpost a bit. Since every other tank has a "press this and things go brrr" tier. What if Blizz had done something like. The damage blocked in a X second interval is reflected back to 5 targets in a frontal cone doing %(stat) "cosmic power"

[toxic pewter]

do you guys use a 262 crafted item anymore? trying to figure out where to fit one in

[urban portal]

Don’t need to

[urban portal]

That would instantly make prot top tier on jailer

[sick sentinel]

urh go brr

all you need to tell pugs as pwar

[urban portal]

Prot warrior is one of the best tanks for urh

I think it’s the best

[cinder storm]

What does deconstruct does? honest question

[urban portal]

Increased physical damage taken

Or all damage taken

[sick sentinel]

i dunno what other specs can benefit from CDR but i know hpriest can have a build like that, and not sure about shaman but they have lust and wf

[urban portal]

Did say tanks

[sick sentinel]

other than that i like, rogue or hunter is bis dps but whatever comes

25% dmg taken yeah

[cinder storm]

Every spec benefits from urh imo, just use cds, kill urh and cds should be up fairly quick again

[sick sentinel]

tons of pugs love to kill vy because reasons

[cinder storm]

I've gotten into the habit of focusing the one I want dead, revenge and tc are enough to keep aggro

Better safe than sorry with pugs

[sick sentinel]

skull or x marker is always the obvious thing you can do without having to say a worrd

[cinder storm]

Theres the auto mark wa that you just click

[sick sentinel]

not a fan of that

[urban portal]

not the case for a lot of tanks, blood dk doesnt have offensive cds, they will be capped by runic power, same with brew by energy

bears are the 2nd best at urh

then its prot pal

vdh barely benefits, just mainly sigil cd

[cinder storm]

I was thinking defensive cds tbf, but you make an excellent point

[urban portal]

blood doesnt have defensive cds, DRW is up perma

brew has infinite brew charges during urh since keg smashes, though still capped by energy hard

[cinder storm]

what about amz or the blue iron man on bdk whatever that's called?

[urban portal]

they all kinda suck

[sick sentinel]

2 clicks or less, world markers and more

[cinder storm]

I use that too, but the encrypted wa is one click

[sick sentinel]

this is addon called marking bar lives

previously markingbar

[cinder storm]

I like tanking, but other tanks make me fall asleep, I've tried them all to some extent but they just don't click for me

[timber slate]

wanna tank our key?

[tame jasper]

I use MRT for markers

as I need to have it for raids anyway

[odd tree]

just started gearing an enhance shammy and find this to be the case in lower keys. very rarely an issue above 15, though sometimes still get the wrong relic

[sick sentinel]

im not 100% sure but i think they like to do it mostly on lust bosses because more haste i guess?

i think its for specs that do 1-2 button over and over during burst window (all mage specs, like, somethin with hardcast i'd guess)

[ocean yoke]

its pretty likely they just go in and zug zug aoe not targeting any of them tbh

[odd tree]

fury wars

[west kayak]

Good day all. I just got back into the game after taking a break, new house, and just got my first Weekly Cache but not certain what I should grab?

My options...

[toxic pewter]

prob weapon

[sick sentinel]

ewapon

100%

[cinder pasture]

Weapon

[sick sentinel]

not even close

[lofty widget]

honestly 42 ilvl+socket beats 16 on weapon imo

[odd tree]

that is a big neck upgrade

[lofty widget]

you can just farm a weapon from 15s

[toxic pewter]

same with neck

[lofty widget]

have to get luckier to roll socket tho

[sick sentinel]

neck is good but he can buy a neck

[toxic pewter]

can buy neck

right

[west kayak]

I am kicking myself as the Codex I have I just upgraded a bit last night...

[sick sentinel]

you can buy an AH neckpiece for 20ish k

for a good one

i got mine for like 17k with haste gem pre-installed

[strong forum]

id say neck

cuz you can "easily" farm a weapon of that ilvl

Neck is good cuz of socket

[craggy pilot]

265 n eck from Vault? 🤔 why not grab the 278 trinket?

[sick sentinel]

better than crafted though?

[craggy pilot]

265 neck can be made with Valor

[strong forum]

cuz the codex is irrelevant

ilvl on codex is literally irrelevant

[craggy pilot]

ah ok like that

tru

[sick sentinel]

i would say get the weapon and use it till u get a better one

[craggy pilot]

its kinda unlucky vault ngl

[strong forum]

if you get the neck, you can buy a crafted ring

[sick sentinel]

cuz u can go buy the neck and ignore the trinket

[craggy pilot]

or he is only playing low keys for some reason

[toxic pewter]

i find weaponds hard to come by at least for me i have bad weapon luck

[odd tree]

said he just started

[craggy pilot]

ah ok

[sick sentinel]

u have good trinkets equiped, cant say for first technique

[cinder storm]

I've only gotten one weapon drop so far

[west kayak]

I am playing what you guys probably call low keys, low teens, as I just got back into it and dont have a dedicated team to play with.

[craggy pilot]

neck has socket tho, which is nice free bonus

[sick sentinel]

thats how i reached my conclusion anyway, but do what u want to do

crafted all come with socket

[craggy pilot]

you can only wear 1 crafted, if he has crafted ring, he cant have neck

so the neck is still valuable

[sick sentinel]

ah

[toxic pewter]

who here doesnt use a crafted item anymore

[craggy pilot]

im 276 ilvl and still use my crafted ring

[toxic pewter]

how strong is the ring

[sick sentinel]

i have the neck and i can get a ring if i want it

[odd tree]

if i socket my 272 sin stained then i'll be without a crafted

[toxic pewter]

is 272 signet of collapsing stars or stichflesh better than crafted ring

[odd tree]

tho i may craft a ring in that case, so nevermind

[west kayak]

I have crafted Boots at the moment as I haven't gotten a drop for those yet.

[urban portal]

both are better

dont try to fit crafted gear

none of them are particularly good week 11 into the tier

[odd tree]

idk, tough vault. weps seem to be harder to come by, ive been traded all my rings and necks this season as anyone can loot them

i also have 12 tokens and 1 of the socket adding items in my bags, so adding a socket isn't a problem

[sick sentinel]

like, say i recieve a swag necklace, i can then equip the crafted ring and de-equip crafted neck

i know all about unique equip, my mage got greens and rings was unique eqiup

[craggy pilot]

still i would probably go for the neck due to the Socket

high haste neck + socket is not something you get often

[west kayak]

Thank you for the info. Bottom line sounds like I do not pick the trinket. 🙂

[craggy pilot]

yes, because as Nome said, it does the exact same as your 262 Codex, just adding 10str

[urban portal]

even worse

stamina

[strong forum]

ya

and the tooltip on codex is bugged

its actually 10x of the reflect value displayed

meaning you need to take like a singular 200k hit to max out the reflect possibilites of codex

[urban portal]

jailer moment

[strong forum]

jailer hits us for like 30k with his melees

only his tank buster does dmg to us

[sturdy sable]

Mythic?

Heroic he hits like a wet noodle

[strong forum]

mythic yes

[sturdy sable]

Thats not bad

[west kayak]

Got it. I just got the Anima trinket this past week and I have a, I think, 223 Scale. Should I swap the Codex I have that is higher ilvl for the Scale?

[hazy edge]

Jailer was hitting bdks for 150k before the nerf

legit couldn't survive if you weren't at full health + blood shield

the nerf to his autos made him a lot easier to tank for all tanks

He still hits hard, but he's not going to one shot prepared tanks anymore

[urban portal]

the logs i see say 90k

[shut summit]

he hits for 80k+ without block up, which happens

[urban portal]

at least you know when block is down

if you get hit through DRW

sadge

[craggy pilot]

the codex is still good, but a 262 codex and 278 codex is equal in power because of how it works
if you have another dmg trinket you could pop that on, since neither Scale or Codex is actually needed until you go +25

[cinder storm]

How to max value from codex....just dont block

[craggy pilot]

[west kayak]

Sounds good, thank you for the info. I read that the Codex is really only valid in 23+ keys due to how it works. Any suggestions on what M+ trinket I should pair with Anima? I have been told the Phial is a good option.

[cinder storm]

Phial is good

[hazy edge]

Ye I run AFE+Phial

super good together

[craggy pilot]

Phial + Sac

[west kayak]

Sac?

[craggy pilot]

what trinkets do you have currently is a place to start

Ticking Sack of Terror from Tazavesh mailroom

[west kayak]

One moment... 🙂

[craggy pilot]

valuable dmg trinkets for Prot:
soleahs secret technique
OWS
Elegy
First Sigil
Phial
Sack
AFE

Decanter (maybe)

[lofty widget]

sigil is only for raid tho

[median tulip]

Decanters damage, in its optimal 5 target situation, is basically identical to Phial. However, Phial wins handily on ST

So Decanter is pretty poor overall

[craggy pilot]

yea, only listed it for bad loot luck

[craggy pilot]

people run it in M+ also 🤷‍♀️ but probably only the Mythic version dunno

https://mplus.subcreation.net/protection-warrior.html#trinkets

[west kayak]

259 Anima, 262 Codex, 259 Intrusive Thoughtcage and my 226 Scale

[craggy pilot]

i would stick with Anima + Codex

[west kayak]

Sounds good, thank you again!

[craggy pilot]

np man 🙂

[chrome falcon]

thank god they're nerfing the dot on mythic jailer

[urban portal]

Buff melees

So teams are forced to play prot

[distant crystal]

in b4 they just buff the hell out of fury

[sick sentinel]

my main issue with rogue is too many finishes

delete a crap finisher and put an attack

[urban portal]

I meant buffing jailer melees

[strong forum]

the rate of tanks is already fucked on jailer

its literally 350-1

you get 350 bdks and brews for any other tank on jailer

[sick sentinel]

im looking at that link and someone did a 25 as heirmer

[strong forum]

heirmir is good

[urban portal]

My next project is proving the strength you get from a random trinket gives you more hps than how much codex heals

Would be a journey though

[strong forum]

i mean

thats just protoforge then

done

[sick sentinel]

mines gunna be on CD for a while, next one is 23+ hours probably, and then 3.5d if i do it past that i think

[toxic pewter]

is verse our second best stat? Is that set in stone

[lofty widget]

nah

crit for more dmg, vers is better all round

[toxic pewter]

maybe crit

I see

[urban portal]

vers is just consistent

thats all it is

its neither the best defensive nor offensive stat

buts its no RNG consistent DR

[hazy edge]

crit and verse are pretty equal.

[urban portal]

crit is higher value on physical hits and 0 value on magic hits defensively

[median tulip]

After putting on your tier, legendaries and maxing Haste you don't really have very much room to tweak your other secondaries; don't overthink it

[gray iris]

what about bsc and bladedancer armor kit

[median tulip]

BDAK is trash

[strong forum]

[gray iris]

isnt increased armor good for tanks?

[strong forum]

no

bladedancer is literally the worst trinket in the game

[gray iris]

damn i have been playing it over afe

[strong forum]

WHAT

swap it asap

[median tulip]

Disagree. Pulsating Stoneheart is worse

[minor helm]

[strong forum]

i guess

[urban portal]

Stoneheart is the self slow?

[sweet summit]

ye

[gray iris]

should i swap bdak with afe or codex?

[strong forum]

afe

[blazing condor]

afe

[gray iris]

yeah i chose afe..about to do 17 mists

[blazing condor]

have fun

[eternal moth]

That bladedancer trinket looks cool, but it seems like the armor it adds is only ~1-2% mitigation, and it doesn't do that much damage either

I wonder if it was an oversight or something, feels like they should double or triple the numbers on it

[strong forum]

not an oversight

they buffed it by 20% last patch

its absolutely horrid

[vernal vale]

They buffed it and it's still a best to avoid it trinket.

[dawn canyon]

Name for a reason

[eternal moth]

Maybe it's just there as a trap for unwary gamers

"Oh, a trinket that gives me armor, this should be good for tanking"

"LOL GOT YOU SCRUB"

[dawn canyon]

Sounds about right

[eternal moth]

hmm, maybe it was better at lower levels

The WoWhead comments are saying it was taking someone from 28% to 32% damage reduction, which would mean around 5% more actual mitigation depending on how you calculate

[minor helm]

It's actually 0% mitigation if you use it correctly which is to not use it

[urban portal]

if you are dying because you have no armor then you are too low ilvl

active mitigation is how you live things

[tropic linden]

I got a 278 codex today, I have a 265 first sigil and a 252 Elegy of the Eternals

Is is worth to swap any trinket for it?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[tropic linden]

Why tho?

Cause it doens't give main stats?

[jagged pier]

it doesnt do anything unless your taking tones of damage

it has 1 niche case

mythic rygelon

thats it

[hushed cobalt]

So what you're saying is stop running streets trying to get it to drop? Obviously asking for myself, not a friend
[Have 278 decanter and 246 ows because only way I'd get a mythic one is buying it]

[jagged pier]

unlees you gunna go and do 28 or somthing where it might be worth it

[tropic linden]

But why is not worth it? It's 10% dmg reduction and some dmg back

Not only in 28

[strong forum]

its not worth the 5% mainstat loss

[chrome falcon]

reading what the trinket does isn't a good way to persuade anyone that it's good

we see the tooltip too

[strong forum]

you lose like 500 dps by not having strength on it

[chrome falcon]

we already take no damage if played properly

[strong forum]

and its like 40-50% uptime

so you only get 4-5% overall DR out of it

[jagged pier]

for it to actually do damage back u need to take like more damage than u can actually take

[autumn lintel]

Today on "Why do the gods hate me"

[strong forum]

ring if you wanna upgrade it or just pick the 6 coins

[jagged pier]

thats bis ring ?

[autumn lintel]

below ilevel for the one I currently have=(

[jagged pier]

it can be upgraded to 272

which means its only beaten but itself at 278 pretty much

[autumn lintel]

Has one lol

[strong forum]

then pick the free socket

[autumn lintel]

I got something I have a the worst trinket in the game and still rocking a garbage weapon

[strong forum]

ive done like 25 keys in the last 3 days

ToP and Mists exclusively

[jagged pier]

never invite

[strong forum]

and i still dont haev a shield

Jakey its +2s

[jagged pier]

i have alts

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/oCZEl7N.png

[blazing condor]

buy mats

[strong forum]

i started at 400 valor

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

whats ur shield rn?

also watch you get a 278 in vault after farming a shield all evening

[jagged pier]

278 shields with stats dont exist

[blazing condor]

they do to me

i just gotta believe

[strong forum]

252

I might aswell have paper

[undone verge]

I just want my second 278 weapon so I can start opening the vault as prot

[sick sentinel]

242, i have a post it note

[toxic pewter]

does menace have any place during sanguine week

I have never used it before but I sort of want to try it?

[sick sentinel]

i dont think it beats whatevers in that row, its dps has to kick week

[toxic pewter]

other 2 are 12 yard thunder clap and 30 second leap

both of which not the end of the world to lose for 1 week

[sick sentinel]

you'd be the first to try it i think

[toxic pewter]

I sort of want to run it lmao

I hate when mobs are in sanguine

[strong forum]

You never run menace

[toxic pewter]

I am running menace.

[sick sentinel]

menace was terrible before the change

its less terrible but yeah

[toxic pewter]

I think it provides some decent utility tbh

I just tested it on some mobs and the knockback is legit

I really like it tbh, surprised how good it is

gives warrior mob control like I never had before

IM A MENACE TO SOCIETY BABY- I AM RUNNING MENACE AND IM LOVING EVERY MINUTE OF IT

[sick sentinel]

dunno HOW far it knocks back, but im pressing menacer for science right now on maldraxxus mobs

[toxic pewter]

ITS ACTUALLY LEGIT FOR SANGUINE WEEK

Who else wants to be a menace with me

it knocks back at least 8 yards- can literally charge the knocked back mob

[grave crane]

I mean the knock back is probably decent but just move the mobs and kick casters. Also it’s a 1.5 minute cd rather than 30 second leap. So you get 3 leaps out and charges in over a knock back and charge in? Probably not a huge deal but run what you enjoy I suppose

[toxic pewter]

I am a menace

[sick sentinel]

Before key: Kill urh
during key: random vy/wo's eyyy yo wat up

[urban portal]

that row doesnt do anything anyways

[urban portal]

what was it before the change

[sick sentinel]

they stand there in place instead

before that or without mods its just, they run away like priest or warlock spell

[toxic pewter]

Who else is a menace like me

who else running menace

[sick sentinel]

but then my HL would be 45 instead of 30 and not give MS

[toxic pewter]

Yah but imagine u just killing a big pack.. dps kill 1 mob quick.. other dps does aoe stun.. u sitting there. U like i a menace now I a bad ass

BOOM menace

group says whoa i didnt even know warrior could do that

u charge in

save all that sanguine nonsense

I think its severely underrated I realized

I am going to run it from now on all the time

[sacred timber]

how the fuck am i supposed to time keys when I'm not getting healed and my healer is doing 4 dps...

I've seen resto shaman's do better job of healing me and be doing 7k dps at the same time

[urban portal]

this is definitely healers fault yeah

show meters

[sacred timber]

0 dmg

as a HEALER

0

0

in a world where healers are doing 7/8k dps

0

[mortal brook]

Accidental convoke damage kek

[sacred timber]

fucking joke

[mortal brook]

Ask em how their netflix series is

[mighty valley]

might actually try menace this week, just to make my guild go "wtf how did you do that"

[sacred timber]

Legit, I did 2.9k on my 250 mw monk

[ocean yoke]

i might do it just to make the frost mage screech

[sacred timber]

meanwhile this fuck is 2300io and trying to backseat tank

oH I KnOW this GLItch To MAkE TheBosSses So EaSYT!?!!

[dawn canyon]

Pug huh?

[sick sentinel]

yogi 2.0, everywhere

like i said, far more common place than u intially realize

[timber slate]

Inb4 275 destro lock pulling 6k overall

[dawn canyon]

Sub 10 overall andies

As dps*

[sick sentinel]

huntards do the big dps

i like em

[mighty valley]

damage as a resto druid is much more annoying than other healers tbf

but they should still try a little

[zenith vine]

had a surv hunter with 4 set do 8.8k overall in a +15, absolute menace

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLdAVXOeNHk

[deft ridge]

its probably been answered before, is Codex of the first technique any good?

[dawn canyon]

Average weekly 15 no leaver

[raven hatch]

dps leggo + build on a +15 gambit xD fun

[urban portal]

17k overall is still quite brazy

seismic+opc+ows?

[timber slate]

Rogue too strong

Meter couldnt handle the dps

[sacred timber]

How in God's green earth do you do 17.2k

[raven hatch]

• some pi's from my priest

[sick sentinel]

PI wf

urh

exodia voltron basically

[sacred timber]

I think my highest in a key is a fucking +20 Mists where I did 10.1k

[urban portal]

no windfury here

rshams do not have windfury

[sick sentinel]

whats the priest then

how come priest at 1.6k dps and 1.3k hps wtf?

[urban portal]

alt

[small sphinx]

Hi! Newbie prot warrior here with a question: how does the last phrase work? So basically is a group wide 20% dr?

[sick sentinel]

ohhh greens alt?

[urban portal]

probably just someone trying to gear a priest

and chilling

[chrome falcon]

uhh i don't know why the fuck it says that

[urban portal]

that last one is meat for another leggo

[chrome falcon]

because that's not what the wall does

[urban portal]

another leggo does that

[sick sentinel]

i have a 1 lfr vault on mage and rogue each

[small sphinx]

Oh ok, sounded strange to me too 😅 ty guys!

[sick sentinel]

rogue for sure

[toxic pewter]

Is 10k dps good or wat

[chrome falcon]

it's fine

bit low

[sturdy sable]

Ppl did 10k last tier

[toxic pewter]

is that sort of like the threshold

How do I get to like 13k

from 10k

[chrome falcon]

do more damage

[sturdy sable]

^

[chrome falcon]

3k more dps should do it

[toxic pewter]

Should I go crit build

[chrome falcon]

there is no crit build

play better

[toxic pewter]

I am going crit build with menace

Must be my crit rating too low

[chrome falcon]

ok

[sacred timber]

But it is it fine if your healer doesn't have to heal you? (I hit IP too much)

[chrome falcon]

sure man

[sick sentinel]

nah its just rogue

[toxic pewter]

It definitely is not me

[urban portal]

if you are trying to go for damage

use sims

dont feelycraft any "builds"

[chrome falcon]

i don't understand what you're saying

[urban portal]

i think hes saying that, if he mitigates enough, healer could use some time spent healing the tank to do dam

but no, IP is a byproduct of what we do

[sacred timber]

t'was meme

[chrome falcon]

lol @ IP being mitigation

[urban portal]

it heals for 3.5% max hp

:DDD

[sacred timber]

Do people still use reprisal or DR?

[urban portal]

its like a bloodthirst

[chilly brook]

DR?

Reprisal is literally best

[sacred timber]

I legitimately dont understand how people do so much dps, is it just from their dps doing more than mine so it is your initial BV burst?

[urban portal]

they have better gear

using dps trinkets

dps legendary

and in this case also PI

[sacred timber]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/illidan/Luzrasha

I can only do around 10k with this

[urban portal]

yell yeah

aegis does no damage

[vernal vale]

Hahaha

[urban portal]

helmet not upgraded

[dawn canyon]

Not dps trinkets

[urban portal]

where OPC

[sacred timber]

what dps trinkets should I be using?

[chilly brook]

10k in what?

dungeons?

[sacred timber]

yes

[chilly brook]

pull bigger

more revenj

more banner

[sacred timber]

:peepowtf:

[chilly brook]

did 12k with aegis and sack

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[vernal vale]

Phial, sack, if you have to decanter

[urban portal]

OPC

is huge dam

[sick sentinel]

i run opc sack

[vernal vale]

Windscar, countermeasure from legion timewalking

[dawn canyon]

Griff diff

[sick sentinel]

countermeasure meh imo

[sacred timber]

but... like..... DoS

[chilly brook]

nah

[chrome falcon]

countermeasure is definitely not meh

[chilly brook]

just pull big

[chrome falcon]

countermeasure is insane

or well

[sick sentinel]

imo i said

[chrome falcon]

it's fine

[chilly brook]

the bigger you pull the bigger your numbers

[sick sentinel]

dont like it

[chilly brook]

[chrome falcon]

ok and your opinion is flat wrong

it sims the best and does the best on st

[dawn canyon]

Aka the balls to pull everything

[chilly brook]

l+ratio+don't care+didn't ask

countermeasure big stonks

[chrome falcon]

shit does like 7% of my damage on bosses

[sick sentinel]

+ben?+yes+no+ugh+ohoho

i said i dont like it

[sacred timber]

is OWS evene good on prot warrior?

[chrome falcon]

sure you're allowed to not like it but the numbers dictate that it's good

yes

haste is our best stat so ows is good

[vernal vale]

I got opc last night might have to try it now.

[urban portal]

ows is also budgeted super high

[chilly brook]

OWS big stonks

[sacred timber]

But like, 246 is in contention for a top trinket right?

[urban portal]

and if you are chain pulling as necro it never drops

[sick sentinel]

it all comes down to can u keep it up or not

[chilly brook]

OWS literally gets better because you're necro

[vernal vale]

OWS is like aegis where it's tuned over its ilvl

[chilly brook]

shouldn't be a problem

if it is

[toxic pewter]

How come paladin can just press two buttons and do 15k

[chilly brook]

you're not pulling fast enough

[sick sentinel]

yeah as the tank it shouldnt be a problem

i dont run it in pugs as dps warrior cause of random breaks and tanks standing still for 10s for w/e reason

[chilly brook]

I just don't DPS anymore in keys

tired of tanks not being able to do their job

[sick sentinel]

how is veng rn wanna try it

[chilly brook]

There's only so much waiting 5 seconds before bursting and still ripping aggro that I can take

[vernal vale]

I'm only dpsing on guild keys now that I'm in a decent guild.

Pugs I always tank

I'm tired of 60 hour work weeks right now. I wanted to be pushing rating more. Lots of keys still only at a 15 timed.

[urban portal]

its got the 5%er

i dont think its particuarly fun to play

[sick sentinel]

guildie plays veng as offspec in keys ngl seems like a traumatic experience

hp going wild

on st its actually horrible how much healing he requires and i doubt he is playing it wrong

[chilly brook]

ehhhhh

I'd wager he is

[sick sentinel]

lemme rephrase

compared to prot warrior

[urban portal]

its true though

VDH tier set is kind of ass on ST

and if you are running the M+ build your ST bulk is non existant

on ST you rotate fel dev, spike,brand,spike, and you are kind of out of juice

maybe you get another spike off

[timber slate]

They deserve it

For being cringe

[sacred timber]

personally, do yall go BV or BSC?

[raven hatch]

i prefer booming voice tbh, makes maintaining banner uptime easier and acts as another mini defensive with another free ignore pain off it in times of need

[drifting fable]

if you have 4pc2legend you want BV in most situations for the extra rage gen

[urban portal]

the problem with BV is that you feel forced to use it for damage

and not holding it defensively

and most top prot wars go BSC on fort iirc

[drifting fable]

nothing wrong with that

yea m+ would be the situational BSC usage IMO

[urban portal]

but its quite even

[dawn canyon]

Bsc for overall

[urban portal]

just saying that if you arent casting BV on CD you are losing out on damage

[dawn canyon]

Bv for easier rage

And banner

[urban portal]

and if you are casting BV on cd you potentially fk yourself due to not having it defensively

but its a preference

[chilly brook]

and rage

[urban portal]

ye

theres ups and downs for both

[drifting fable]

agreed there, i personally find the rage too good to pass up on

only with tier tho

[chilly brook]

I've not touched BV in keys tbh

haven't felt the need

[trim bay]

thanks dude. im 1440p so no isssues there.

[fiery badge]

Why does the tier set have Prot favor necro

[timber slate]

Indeed

Infinite rage

More outburst, more dmg

[chilly brook]

I'm assuming you're asking why is the set bonus so particularly good for necro

in that case, banner gives you rage every second it's active

that rage helps you spend more rage which contributes to more uses of the set bonus

more uses of the set bonus means more rage gained and spent

which means infinite banner uptime

which also means more CDs

[timber slate]

[toxic pewter]

whats better show of force or execute conduit

[timber slate]

Execute for tyrannical

[karmic plinth]

execute conduit is better of the 2

show of force buffs a button that doesnt do that much damage

ashen juggernaut buffs ur strongest ability

[toxic pewter]

Right I feel like I like the execute one a lot more

[timber slate]

Use that one then

[toxic pewter]

but does show of force actually do a lot more dmg over the course of a run

[urban portal]

they both suck

ill tell you that much

[sharp dew]

2 questions- 1: with the tier set when it says 200% more effectiveness, is it saying 3xdmg or 3x dmg and 3x rage? 2: With the legendary do you pretty much have shield block up constantly in m+?

[urban portal]

3x rage

you dont have shield block up constantly

[sharp dew]

Unless you’re running hr then I assume it’d be perma?

[karmic plinth]

hr is defensive overkill but with reprisal u can get 100% effective uptime

so u dont need hr to get the value

[sharp dew]

Yeah that’s what I mean, not running around waiting etc, just live fight time

[sick sentinel]

i actually did reflects on scythe

[sharp dew]

So the tier is just the rage portion then, not dmg?

[ocean yoke]

its both

[sharp dew]

Oh sweet

So going from nothing to both 2p and reprisal will be a pretty huge difference then once I get them

[ocean yoke]

the spec will speed up a ton yeah

even more so once you get the 4pc

[karmic plinth]

each ppower increment just makes our spec play faster

[sharp dew]

Makes sense why someone posted a pic of like 80%+ uptime on banner and I’m thinking I can’t get anywhere near enough rage for that right now lol

[sick sentinel]

explain to your group that TLDR, due to way pwar set works, urh go brr

[sharp dew]

I guess right now the 4p doesn’t seem that good-coming from nothing, but all the extra rage from 2p and being able to keep banner up longer with AM will make avatar cd really really low compared to what it’s like right now with nothing

What’s your guys avatar uptime roughly in keys?

[mighty valley]

idk, enormous

[sharp dew]

Obviously it depends on the group and key and affixes, but just a ball park number

Like >30%?

[fiery badge]

As a newish Prot I was advised to go Fae or Kyrian in m+ , would you agree or disagree

[median tulip]

Go Necro; it's the best spec, and you need to learn it

[sick sentinel]

yes, necro is the play if you have 2pc set or above

[median tulip]

Just looking at my details and I had 27% uptime in a Tazavesh Streets, and that's a dungeon with a lot of messing around with travelling and roleplay

[mighty valley]

found a plaguefall log with 50% uptime

[median tulip]

The more time you're in combat the higher your Avatar uptime will be

[mighty valley]

browsing more logs 50% feels like a decent uptime across quite a lot of dungeons

[sick sentinel]

+12 with menace

46.8% avatar

low banner still

[dawn canyon]

Going places

[chilly brook]

Disagree

Just play banner

I don’t see the point of having training wheels when the spec revolves around you having to learn how to play with a mindset of mitigating damage ahead of time

[sick sentinel]

the person giving you that advice WAS correct in earlier patches, sure

[chilly brook]

learning how to play banner correctly has far more benefits than anything else tbh

[mighty valley]

you might do more damage with kyrian on 0P1L but that should last no time at all these days

[dawn canyon]

4p is free currently

Might aswell do it right

[fiery badge]

Do you pair banner with avatar burst like in PvP

[toxic pewter]

how do i play banner correctly

[mighty valley]

do your best to maximize rage income and never overcap rage

you will press IP a lot

[chrome falcon]

you should always have banner up anyway and you never hold avatar

[toxic pewter]

my problem is I guess pacing

like i find myself banner dropping between pulls

[urban portal]

No you send and send

[toxic pewter]

but is that just a symptom of me not pressing the buttons correctly to begin with?

[chrome falcon]

press buttons when buttons are up

[mighty valley]

it could also be you're not moving from pull to pull fast enough

[toxic pewter]

If I am being honest I think reprisal is my main issue

[mighty valley]

it often is

[toxic pewter]

like weaving in charges/intercepts

Its not that im lazy

[mighty valley]

intercept is extremely free to press on CD

[toxic pewter]

its just difficult sometimes

[mighty valley]

charge takes a little more work but you'll get there

[toxic pewter]

yes intercept I am doing good usually

but the charges...

[mighty valley]

i think if you just make it your entire focus on an easier key you'll find the opportunities

like, it's really often that you can just move a couple steps and charge a caster

or find the cast times

don't always have to jump a mile

[toxic pewter]

right

is heroic leap meant to be used on cd and charge, though

like i know thats a weird question

basically any way to get a charge i need to take it

[mighty valley]

use heroic leap when you need to, when it's useful

[toxic pewter]

right

[mighty valley]

it's just one way to get a charge

[chrome falcon]

never have 2 charges of... charge

it should always be on CD

always always

[toxic pewter]

Ok I guess thats better way to put it

like charge needs to be used on cd basically

not leap

[chrome falcon]

no

don't need to charge on CD

[toxic pewter]

just never have 2

[chrome falcon]

just make sure it's always ON cd

[toxic pewter]

ok

will that help with my banner uptime you think

because i cant seem to like get consistently over 60%

[chrome falcon]

well

yeah

because it's more rage

you're probably wasting rage too

[toxic pewter]

yes

[dawn canyon]

One of em should be recharging at all times

[toxic pewter]

i guess wasting rage is the biggest issue

[dawn canyon]

Logs

[toxic pewter]

how do i record a log

[sharp dew]

Bullrush through and stop all casts, charge back with a thunderclap, intercept your range dps, charge back in, assert dominance, look like an absolute chad high mountain Tauren

[toxic pewter]

highmountain is bad ass

what is the best prot warrior race of all time

[dawn canyon]

Whatever u think is coolest

Is the best

[scenic mural]

OG Tauren>dwarf> everything else

[dawn canyon]

If you dont feel cool you dont do damage

(The answer is dwarf)

[toxic pewter]

think im gonna make a mechagnome

oh damn yes dwarf

dark iron dwarf i think i will make

[dawn canyon]

Did is sooo drippy

[toxic pewter]

i like their 4% speed increase indoors

i think their racials are sweet

[median tulip]

So... So'Leah's, Codex and TSOT will still be available

[sick sentinel]

nath'raziem, TO THE ENDS OF THE EARTH

[sharp dew]

Just realized we’ll be getting trinkets and gear from those dungeons

[median tulip]

I wonder if high ilvl subroutine cards will be available for the Mechagon punchcard trinket

[sharp dew]

Vroom vroom motorcycle junkyard all over again

All those dps

[median tulip]

Oh, and those ring pairs from Mechagon!

[sharp dew]

Is our item level and stuff all gonna change again as well? Cuz there’s no new raid right?

Same tier sets etc?

[median tulip]

No idea how it's going to work TBH

[toxic pewter]

Im exscited I wont lie

those dungeons all are fun to me

[median tulip]

They'll have to do something with the Mechagon items because I can't see us being able to get the Azerite powers

Grimrail Depot is meh

[sick sentinel]

oh no

i've never done return to kara

[dawn canyon]

Man ill have to learn fucking kara and mechagon

Since i did neither as current content

[sick sentinel]

workshop is literally hold W

[dawn canyon]

You underestimate me

Ive done the entire thing ONCE

[median tulip]

The Stealth section is gonna fuck some people up 😆

Still... TRASH! TRASH! TRASH! TRASH! TRASH!

[sick sentinel]

well, i have a mental note of the route you take

cuz its like you go, pause, go

and thats it

[sharp dew]

Too bad spell reflect sucks now compared to legion where we could reflect every hit of every piercing missiles on medeiv just straight pumping dmg

[median tulip]

I still have this in the bank xD

[cinder storm]

Wonder if and by what margin fire mages will rise with the bracers

[median tulip]

Oh god I forgot about those

[old flame]

hello frens

it's tuesday in NA so I need some vault advice as usual

I already have 265 tier gloves and running 291 unity helm.. do I take the tokens again?

[vernal vale]

if you dps maybe the trinket but there are good dungeon trinkets that you can get

might be worth the tokens

[vernal vale]

i just remembered we have the logic loops from mechagon too

[median tulip]

Yeah, Logic Loop/Bit Band pairing again

IIRC Logic Loop of Recursion and the Overclocking Bit Band was the pair to go for

[vernal vale]

Still will be I bet.

Though you actually have to get them... so... I guess I can bet on never having the combination.

[odd tree]

Whole new season, so +26 ilvl will be mythic and +15 m+ gear (304) with last bosses giving gear 7 ilvls higher (311). I believe all gear is available from raids, but I'm not certain if they're excluding dom sockets and how the creation catalyst will work (will CN and SoD gear work?).

[cinder nova]

Any of you jagaloons got a good OmniCD profile for raids/M+?

[timber slate]

Legendary upgrade or capped at 291?

[sick sentinel]

thats the ilvl of my reprisal boots

[cinder nova]

@strong forum Probably wait until that aura gets refined, it's kinda hot garbo because it tracks revenge procs at any amount of rage as rage spent.

[hardy ridge]

do i wear 278 guardian shield over a 272 in raid?

[cinder nova]

Which, for obvious reasons, is completely useless.

[cinder nova]

Yes, because Stronkth

[hazy edge]

Nope it only tracks them at 7 stacks of seeing red, which do count

[cinder nova]

STR > secondaries

That's cool, I just tested it.

And it tracked both revenge procs from 1

Consequently, I'm like 90% sure that it's the reason you see the bar go negative

Because it's improperly tracking procs as rage spent

Any time I see it grab a random revenge proc it'll send a negative

And the fact that it occurs so regularly kind of makes it useless. If you can get over that hump then it's probably a game-changer.

But if I can get it to bug out just rotationally on random world mobs then it's probably not raid ready

[hardy ridge]

im macoring this shield to shield slam kekw

i cba

[cinder nova]

Macroing what?

[hardy ridge]

guardian shield

[cinder nova]

The /use for the 278 guardian shield is useless, just turn it to defensive for the block and forget it exists.

[hardy ridge]

but damage

[cinder nova]

Isn't worth it.

It's a laughably trivial amount of damage.

Pretty sure it also triggers a GCD

[hardy ridge]

kekw

[cinder nova]

The LoD shield is the best offensive shield, VG shield is best defensive

[hazy edge]

It's not doing revenge ones. I just tested it as well

[cinder nova]

Buddy

I just got it to do it twice in two separate imports within 10 minutes

You even wrote it as a known issue

[hazy edge]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ShySplendidPoxTBTacoRight-JMQpe2TroN7Snuyv

The known issue is it going negative

and that's me doing lazy math

[cinder nova]

Yeah and every time I've seen it go negative it was from it catching a revenge proc it shouldn't.

[hardy ridge]

ayt cool, I thought it was trash

[urban portal]

Fairly sure the VG shield is the same block

or slightly more but lose a lot of 2ndary stats for me

for it

you can only say that the VG shield is the best for its ilvl defensively

LOD shield beats it in almost every way

[cinder nova]

2384 vs 2370

[urban portal]

and then the LOD shield has secondary stats

which will just make you bulkier

[cinder nova]

Bears mentioning you're probably more likely to see a 278 guardian shield than a 285 LOD crest

[odd tree]

I imagine there has to be an upgrade, but not sure how they'll do it.

[cinder nova]

If they upgrade I bet money it'll be another craftable

[cinder nova]

It doesn't seem to occur on the default settings, but it's definitely tracking procs with the inverted setting.

Not consistently, but it's definitely procs.

Might have something to do with carrying over some stacks into other combats.

[hazy edge]

It's from the inverted settings. I'm doing plain subtraction to change it, which is causing it to go negative if you start building the next one.

[toxic pewter]

which is better dwarf or dark iron dwarf

[urban portal]

DID is more damage

its also probably tankier

[toxic pewter]

what about 10% dr racial

oh but did gets 1% physical dr

[timber slate]

Dwarves have stoneform

[urban portal]

both do

the 10% dr racial is probably weaker than the 1% overall

tho thats debatable

the 1% frost doesnt do anything

[timber slate]

Ok
Thought only standard dwarves had it

[urban portal]

the DID stoneform gives primary stat instead of a DR

which is much bett

[hardy ridge]

do we have new banner sims

[urban portal]

We never will

Banner sims were misleading anyways

There is no world where we would hold our banner to align it for someone else

Or to recast it and lose the extra duration

[hardy ridge]

nawh just for pull

setting up banner for pull is free

[urban portal]

I could make something like that once work slows down

Doesn’t take too long

30 minutes probably?

[hardy ridge]

Yeah? That would be pretty neat man!

[urban portal]

I probably wont

Don’t count on it

[hardy ridge]

haha no stress

[grave crane]

I just stand near my big boy dps before pull and let them blast. And if I have intervene up when banner comes up I intervene a dps

[hardy ridge]

ye for sure, but the first few pulls of mythic halondrus it was tight pushing him b4 the reclaim

a sheet mightve helped a slightly bit

but were shilling now

[urban portal]

Frost dk and boom

Just use the old one, nothing has drastically changed

[hardy ridge]

what about spriest?

[urban portal]

They suck

But so do booms

I mean as a class

Idk specifically

[hardy ridge]

lmao this is pi 2.0 every wants banner on pull now

giving it to 3 boomies rn

[sharp dew]

can you turn 262 crafted gear into a tier piece?

[grave crane]

Well I only do heroic but during halondrus I didn’t look for anyone to give it to in particular except for the lust phase I’ll intervene a noticeable dps and pop it then. I assume mythic is a bit more tight

[fierce nexus]

is ravager really better than unstoppable force?

[urban portal]

Yes

Unstoppable force is terrible

Because tclap is terrible

[fierce nexus]

oh see

coming back to proper tank, last time was bfa lol

when tc slapped

[toxic pewter]

I removed tc from my bars and it’s been great

I don’t thunder clap any longer

I’m done with it

[vernal vale]

you shouldnt be removing it from bars completely

[toxic pewter]

Yep it’s gone

[vernal vale]

it still generates rage and slows mobs

[toxic pewter]

I’m an ex thunder clapper

I only revenge

The 5 rage sux ass anyway

[urban portal]

5 rage and 30% chance to reset ss

Resetting SS is pretty good

[toxic pewter]

Ofuk ur right about ss reset…. Fine I’ll bring it back

😔

So many people talking shit about prot warrior

[grave crane]

That’s alright they tend not to know what they’re talking about

[languid carbon]

Hi guys, noob prot here. I find it superhard to keep my Banner uptime +22% in M+ but noticed the other day in Torghast that haste absolutely rocks. So should I go for secondary stat trinkets/items to boost my haste to ridiculous lvls (got 23% rn) or is there some sick secret to banner rotation that i haven't uncovered yet?

[ionic fern]

1)Haste is good and you should aim for it
2)You are probably playing the rotation incorrectly.

[blazing condor]

23% is a bit on the low end but it isnt the reason you cant keep banner up

[jagged pier]

1. haste is our best secondary stat and always has been
2. if your struggling to keep up banner its more of a player issue than a stat issue, yes haste helps, but not that much

[languid carbon]

Shit, I feared/knew it would be me 😂

[ionic fern]

If you have any logs we can take a look.

But more than likely you are just not pressing buttons enough.

Do you have 4p? Are you using Reprisal + Glory?

[languid carbon]

Start of pull: ravager/charge/ss/sb. And then basically rev-spam and ip

[ionic fern]

Sounds more or less correct.

[languid carbon]

Yessir - got 4p + 2 leggos

[blazing condor]

maybe you're wasting rage

easy to overcap with outburst SS and when youre generating like crazy in general

[languid carbon]

Hm... I also tend to pop Avatar on pull, so I might be overcapping

[strong forum]

If you did all those things correctly you wouldn't only have 23% banner uptime

It's not even down to haste at that point