ahh dbm is <dbm>
#protection
sick sentinel
but i see dbm voice pack so it has to be that calling crap for me
craggy pilot
can you do /dbm ingame?
sick sentinel
v 9.2.17 alpha
solar crown
Doesnt littlewigs 'call out things'? Might be that is what you have
craggy pilot
do you have a lot of keys bound on your mouse?
craggy pilot
a lot of times in fights, you are not moving because you are clicking your mouse buttons 😄
no clue what kind of mouse you have 🤔
sick sentinel
primarily wired g502
craggy pilot
hmm ye ok, not even a "lot" of mouse bindings on that
eye tracker on yogi would be big value 😄
craggy pilot
The 500 series are FPS mice; ideally you want a G600 series
"ideally" but tbh thats not an issue to worry about
sick sentinel
better than the g600, g203 or mx master 3
chrome falcon
Yeah I dunno therr are obviously gameplay issues to look at but I really think that good clean UI and sensible keybinds are step 0
Not even step 1
So I would just burn that whole thing to the ground and make a new one
Keybinds are personal preference obviously but
HC leap on v is almost objectively bad
That should be on a mouse button
100% of the time
You need to leap quickly
Moving a finger to V is so clunky
median tulip
I have all my mobility and ground-targeted macros on mouse
chrome falcon
Yeah
sick sentinel
charge/intervene on mouse wheel is not reccomended
median tulip
and stuff like mouseover pummel
dawn canyon
leap is q 
sick sentinel
i tried that once
chrome falcon
Q is fine since that’s barely even moving a finger
median tulip
TBH it doesn't really matter where your keybinds are as long as you can play entirely by feels anyway
chrome falcon
It does matter
median tulip
All of the relevant information you need to track should be weakaurad in mid-screen
chrome falcon
Where your keys are increases the time to press by a certain amount
If I had to press shift+2 to interrupt that objectively takes longer than mouse wheel up
median tulip
I strongly advocate going to the target dummies, turning off the visual display of your keybindds are learning to play by feel
odd tree
chrome falcon
Leap and kick on wheel for me
craggy pilot
oof watching you do music boss on Streets with no keybinding on the Music button 🤣
tepid nest
haste vers on unity right?
sick sentinel
that's what i'd consider a succesful key btw
craggy pilot
yes
sick sentinel
acceptable probably a better word might not be word you'd use
craggy pilot
i would like to see an unsuccessful +15 video of yours
chrome falcon
Why do you need a keybind for the music button
craggy pilot
would be able to give more info based on that
strong forum
extraactionbutton 1 is a pretty useful keybind if you ask me
craggy pilot
Why do you need a keybind for the music button
helps, but ye its probably small
indeed
i have it on F6
strong forum
everytime i see somebody mouselick the shield in SD i cringe hard
sick sentinel
back around febuarary or so i had decided i was going to quit, and so deleted some privated you tube videos i had
someone proibably still has link to malding bull video
craggy pilot
Nothing else is happening
this is not tru tho, there is movement meanwhile
so if you are using mouse for movement, how do you click the button?
tepid nest
im sorry, what music button are you guys talking about? literally muting/unmuting music or?
the tazavesh boss
strong forum
the instrument you pick up?
tepid nest
is that a question or sass?
sick sentinel
i go pick up the one closest to the crowd because then i just go to the illimunati triangle and click my button and tada
tepid nest
i was confused, but ye i am staunchly on the 'bind extra action button' side of the discussion
blazing condor
everytime i see somebody mouselick the shield in SD i cringe hard
i do that 😎
sick sentinel
i do that 😎
this is why we failed SD 13 or 14
i wasn't able to click the button in time
blazing condor
just click it
solemn elk
how good is the 1st boss shield?
sick sentinel
i tried to but it was too late
chrome falcon
Just look at her energy
sick sentinel
i just wasn't able to react in time after i realized what was going on
chrome falcon
She casts it at 100
sick sentinel
i mean i KNOW its at 100 energy, but i wasn't paying attention
blazing condor
chrome falcon
how good is the 1st boss shield?
It’s fine, if it’s higher ilvl then use it
oblique garnet
Bind your extra action button
sick sentinel
if i bind that to anything it will probably be like to f6 or f9 or something load and save in old FPS
blazing condor
i should bind it
just lazy
it works very fine for me so far
obviously not optimal though
chrome falcon
I bind it when I need to but when it’s like twice a dungeon and very telegraphed it’s like
Eh
craggy pilot
if i bind that to anything it will probably be like to f6 or f9 or something loa...
what about f1-f5?
oh ye mailroom boss also has extraactionbutton
craggy pilot
if i bind that to anything it will probably be like to f6 or f9 or something loa...
honestly looks like you are using SW better than i am tho 😄
vapid lynx
how good is the guardian shield?
chrome falcon
Scroll up like 8 messages, it’s fine, wear it if it’s higher ilvl
But at equal ilvl just go stays
Stats*
vapid lynx
ah ok
chrome falcon
Think guardian shield is probably better for like mythic jailer and that’s it
chrome falcon
Probably only getting one shot at that, doubt we’re ever rekilling anduin when he dies
chrome falcon
Nah we’re doing ok on that it’s just everything else is pretty brutal
Also that fight trolls so hard
We had 60 pulls where me and cotank were opposite colours
So I started just intervening him without thinking
Then 3 pulls in a row we’re both yellow
What the fuck is that
strong forum
Repetition is dangerous
sick sentinel
remove P/M ehp wa?
chrome falcon
Yes
sick sentinel
someone said do it
chrome falcon
Repetition is dangerous
Sure but 60 in a row and then 3 in a row different (immediately after we hit p2 for the first time)
strong forum
It's literally only useful for dps players who need to meet a certain threshold for a mechanic going off in raid
sick sentinel
might be useful already got rid of some told it to only load as druid (my druid is lvl 43)
toxic pewter
How much dps does using strength potions add
chrome falcon
That question is way, way too vague to be answered
Over 30 seconds? 2 minutes? 5? 10? A dungeon?
toxic pewter
Entire dungeon
toxic pewter
I find using them is a weakness I seem to have lol
I’m gonna macro it into avatar or something
chrome falcon
Yeah I never bother in dungeons
jagged pier
potting in dungeons KEKW
gray iris
my cpm of either revenge or ss has increases but not both together...
chrome falcon
Well it’s been like less than a day since you linked that log so
Don’t expect to instantly become godmode just because you’re aware of problems
Takes practice
sick sentinel
it really helps if another person in the group has a brain and can assistant you through dungeon
i'd prefer to do the no thinky part of pull mobs and attack not die
chrome falcon
Yeah that’s not gonna happen if you pug
You need to be comfortable with the dungeon
cinder storm
Find a duo then
chrome falcon
But at the level you’re doing you absolutely don’t need to pull more than one pack at a time
sick sentinel
damned caster mobs, maybe i will bdk / ppally
cinder storm
You can stun fear and kick, but a 15 without help from dps can feel harder than a 20 if they are not blasting
sick sentinel
noob driver vs icy road = car in ditch, quite predictably
chrome falcon
Just because BDK and pally can carry groups with bad kicks doesn’t mean you should reroll
At all
cinder storm
Nah, just drive slow
Ppl always forget how to drive on bad conditions for some reason
Same with keys lol
echo egret
I once was DPS with a prot pally and the amount of interrupts made me puke - especially when I was getting destroyed by spells as tank
sick sentinel
well, you filter all the bad memories out right
"I require taunting!" holy paladin friend often in discord
oh yeah, i also have a fun RNG irl debuff of every so often at random time of day big ass train likes to drive along tracks and honk horns, very distracting
timber slate
Prot pal has avenger shields, don’t need interrupts
chilly brook
When did outlaw become good
strong forum
In bfa
sturdy sable
oh yeah, i also have a fun RNG irl debuff of every so often at random time of da...
Trains usually run on a schedule
Tell him to learn it
sick sentinel
i only have one thing to say about BFA and you already know what i'm about to say
strong forum
Less shitters to drag down the average parse
cinder storm
they were buffed also last week but they are still not there
sick sentinel
Twilight Devastation
cinder storm
LOL!
strong forum
The 86 next to the 82
cinder storm
takes screenshot cant see it
strong forum
When every other specs max is well into the 100s
strong forum
The average parser of outlaw is higher than the average of the specs because there are so many shitters
But the max, or close to, is much higher on the others
chilly brook
But the max, or close to, is much higher on the others
Right next to sins max in fairness
cinder storm
The *average* parser of outlaw is higher than the average of the specs because t...
your best outlaw = shittiest of locks
chilly brook
Def lower than sub tho
cinder storm
its possibly that out of those 3k sub logs, less than 1k of them decided to give outlaw a try during some kills, hence those decent logs
cinder storm
on another note, I've been semi consistently keeping banner up past when my banner comes off cd, it feels...good
working on 23s, should I start using dps pots or something?
chilly brook
on another note, I've been semi consistently keeping banner up past when my bann...
It’s a great feeling
No reason not to use strength pots
strong forum
Pots are irrelevant
cinder storm
I think I can do 23s without them but I want to get used to if and when I hit 24s
chilly brook
Other than gold
cinder storm
no, im poor
strong forum
The 5min CD doesn't warrant using combat pots
strong forum
Only pots to use are stealthpots in m+
chilly brook
And your survival too I guess
strong forum
Potting for dmg in keys is dead since the CD change
chilly brook
Only pots to use are stealthpots in m+
Por que no los dos
chilly brook
Potting for dmg in keys is dead since the CD change
Not really true though
Especially this season
cinder storm
had two 23 mist depleted, mainly bc first boss was alive 4:30 and 5:13 respectively, different comps, both keys depleted over a min
chilly brook
Like you know where you need to pot for invis as well
So don’t combat pot on first boss of NW for example
Or of HoA
But there’s plenty of time before or after to do so
cinder storm
Hmm, for NW you can leap those adds before the stair and HoA we always get Wo since the gargoyle before 2nd boss also gets the wo buff
Also helps I run with a holyp as a duo, mind soothe ftw
chilly brook
Hmm, for NW you can leap those adds before the stair and HoA we always get Wo si...
Yea you can
Just throwing it out as an example
Just like you can leap the skip in Mists
But you Wo that anyways
So not a concern anymore
cinder storm
That's news to me
chilly brook
It’s finicky with positioning
cinder storm
So you get close to the corner before the adds and leap it? where you hug the wall?
cinder storm
so in theory if one could consistently pull that off, you can have your team shroud there and pull adds then leap so they can snap to you
unless they decide to walk there instead lol
cinder storm
someone also said on one of those depleted 23s, "nice route tank" because we were missing .60% after last boss and that depleted it
chilly brook
RIP
cinder storm
like, wth you want me to do on an rng maze if the lock is not pulling thru walls
chilly brook
If I’m missing a little bit on % on last boss of Mists I’ll just pull a pack into boss
¯_(ツ)_/¯
Or yell at a ranged to hit one towards the end of the boss
cinder storm
yeah, figured it was depleted so I didnt say anything, it was a lot of dumb things
chilly brook
I like mists a lot this season as necro
Unless the healer is just slacking during maze
Then I hate the key
Zoom zoom bruv
Gogogogo
It seems to be the key I piss healers off the most in because I’m a mad man about chaining after the maze
cinder storm
2 dps died just after first boss died, lock decided we needed to use gate instead of seed
1 dps died on vy before last boss
1 dps did not cc the 2 birds when I asked him to
another pull thru walls could've helped (although with inspiring in could have been a hit or miss)
toxic pewter
Do people use combat potions
urban portal
If you have the money yeah
boreal haven
What's the DMG gain through Pots on average?
chilly brook
What's the DMG gain through Pots on average?
In aoe it’s not insignificant
In single target during execute it’s pretty hefty
toxic pewter
apparnetly its like 100g per pt
that can be expensive like 4-6 hundred gold per run
wraith hemlock
I use em on cd basically
My brother farms whenever he is bored and sends me all the mats so I’ve like 1k of each pot lingering around for whenever he needs some
And im free to use as many as I want
mellow bridge
gray iris
Have you guys noticed that 70% of dps pugs on 16-18 keys struggle with dps... I have been getting these pugs where my dps i higher than them... Maybe I'm joining wrong groups
gray iris
I mean 2.7k io rated guy doing 6.8k dps in 17+ mists
Do you guys have a good way of forming these groups? Rating does not always differentiate bad players from good ones
I mean as a dps it is very easy to get carried to higher keys
toxic pewter
yeah i didnt time a mist couple days ago
had a boomkin doing like 7 k dps or something
I dont really understand it
shell shale
Only thing I found to semi fix it was do slightly higher keys. Happens less and less the higher Io you get. But still you can get some suss people.
jagged pier
Have you guys noticed that 70% of dps pugs on 16-18 keys struggle with dps... I ...
thats just what used to be 12-14 keys
shell shale
20s are the new 15s
gray iris
20s are the new 15s
You mean wow reduced the difficulty of keys?
shell shale
Nah just how I personally feel with the way tier sets buffed people especially tanks
And relics are really helpful
shell shale
By relics I mean the season affix
And it changes on dungeon but mostly just getting urh means people have Cooldowns Soo often you can do bigger pulls more frequently.
chilly brook
Do you guys have a good way of forming these groups? Rating does not always diff...
Yea look at their parses
gray iris
what is parses?
chilly brook
If I’m serious about actually timing my own key I actually look at the peoples parses
If they have decent parses in raid they at least know how to hit their buttons
chilly brook
what is parses?
Parses are a measurement of peoples performance in terms of damage in a given encounter
wanton ridge
Guys, i got sigil H and anima field, codex and soleah 272, what should i use for m+?
Codex seems like a must, but i dunno the other one
wanton ridge
Seems the most logical, but sigil its like great every 5 minutes lol
jagged pier
sigil is bad for m+
wanton ridge
Codex soleah it is then, Ty!
strong forum
"ah yeah sorry we cant run this +2 with 2 tanks"
"we really need 1 tank 3 dps 1 healer sorry"
dawn canyon
Even in 19s
I pop my dam
And the pack is dead before im even starting my 2nd cooldowns
Key are actually omega weirdly scaled
If 2 people do dam its so free
eternal moth
People with +2 keys are getting choosy as fuck now
STOP IT TANK WHAT ARE YOU DOING. WAIT FOR POLYMORPHS AND SAP
sick sentinel
People with +2 keys are getting choosy as fuck now
i will take the liberty of choosing for you, if and when your time comes round again
my favorite part about keys is how the circle that tickles for 13 dmg on heroic suddenly becomes life and death can't stand in for 2 stacks on a 19
eternal moth
haha, yeah
strong forum
STOP IT TANK WHAT ARE YOU DOING. WAIT FOR POLYMORPHS AND SAP
lol
those are my +2 adventures so far
dawn canyon
sturdy sable
This is the other 4 watching Nom crush the dungeon
https://c.tenor.com/GW4CQr64-YkAAAAM/worried-scared.gif
jagged pier
i mean he probs just pulled everything onto bosses
sick sentinel
ravager and revenge go brr on those logs for sure
100%
activate your damn windows too
strong forum
no
also i didnt pull ontop of bosses
already had 100% c ount
nobody kicks on +2
sick sentinel
so u pulled it all to before onto boss
and then ravager and reveng
don't need to kick on a +2 cuz for one it doesn't hurt at all and for 2 they die in 3 attacks
strong forum
na but the heal + magic absorb is kinda shit if you wanna kill stuff 😄
i solod all of 2nd until 3rd boss cuz of those heals + absorb
everybody ticked out to poison
sick sentinel
theres 2 packs before final boss of mists and every time i go to combine those packs we just die
strong forum
how
sick sentinel
on left
strong forum
they do literally nothing
sick sentinel
just seems to overwhelm group
strong forum
all they do is a small amount of poison dmg
jagged pier
its only melee damage
sick sentinel
1 group is fine we kill it zero problem seems to be trickier on combined
strong forum
very weird
blazing condor
my guess is they start blasting first pack and you lose aggro
that pack hurts no one
sick sentinel
pre pull: banner, last stand avatar, (sw if urh), mid pull, charge, ravager, ?demo? post pull, already charged in attacking, SS, revenge, tc? TC on aoe after SS?
i want to make sure i'm getting the correct method each time
sick sentinel
avatar ravager charge?
wraith hemlock
Ravager also helps not lose aggro to stupid dps
strong forum
ofc ontop of the pack
fringe folio
So avatar, ravager, and charge ? 😄
fringe folio
Smiley not understood , sad
wraith hemlock
Damn that sounds like over 500IQ plays
blazing condor
so avatar on /pull 10 ?
strong forum
ravager - charge + avatar + sb -> TC (for aggro) -> SS -> rev spam
if rage cap then IP + rev
SS on CD
after ravager ends and low rage then TC again
dont use TC during ravager
wraith hemlock
Wait so avatar + tc on pull is not inting myself?
blazing condor
good way to get aggro at least
wraith hemlock
Yeah I’ve been doing that
strong forum
cuz threat isnt rly an issue
wraith hemlock
Like the other day I had 3 hunters
And even thou I was doing 12k dps, the 2nd highest dps hunter was getting aggro?
And that hunter was only doing 22k dps
Like Im pretty sure the hubters were trolling
strong forum
have to
sick sentinel
how hunter get aggro FD + distract or whatever its called
strong forum
a hunter getting aggro shouldnt be possible
sick sentinel
tricks i call it tricks
wraith hemlock
My guild rogue and hunters also seems to not have MD/tricks on their bars i swear to god
sick sentinel
if tricks gives dps increase i hit that button everytime its ready
strong forum
it used to
sick sentinel
wrath it was "do this so you don't rip aggro when backstabbing boss on pull and get 1 shot" back when it came out
blazing condor
back in dragon soul you'd use tricks for damage
i member
cus i actually played a bit of rogue back then
sick sentinel
hat stragety for spine was dumb i'll say it
so was stacking armor pen for last 2 tiers of wrath, i was there i know all about it
AEP, Agility Equivalence Points
brazen yarrow
wrath had that honor among cheese thing right
sick sentinel
didn't play alot of subelty rogue past lvl 65 ish tbc
i thought that ghostly strike was really cool, and i used to do backstab mostly main attack until karazhan
solemn elk
if tricks gives dps increase i hit that button everytime its ready
It used to be rogue courtesy to tricks one another
And yes, it did increase damage
Patch 6.0.2 (14-October-2014): Tricks of the Trade now has no energy cost and no longer increases damage caused by the target by 15%.
sick sentinel
well, in pugs if you didn't tricks or md the tank you were considered inting those days too
some things never change
sturdy sable
I had a hunter die to aggro before. I replied oh you died to aggro? With miss direction and feign off cd? Sucks to suck
brazen yarrow
literally i dont think any class except warr has issues ripping aggro
strong forum
Frost dk
Destro lock
Ret pally
Other classes idk
Demo actually aswell
Windwalker
dawn canyon
arcane every burst yea
dawn canyon
Venth Moonkin if they do their ramp well.
so no?
sick sentinel
too bad time anomoly talent for arcane mage sucks, i like it
mortal brook
Venthyr bear can rip
mortal brook
True. Catweave isnt a very big gain since they dont draught/gg this tier
Can throw a cheeky sunfire in occasionally tho
dawn canyon
blue pink and green wari
wraith hemlock
I think only arcane mage (even when players are mot being dumb) and fury war rip aggro from me
Fury is the only@issue thou
Arcane usually rips aggro on whever they have torm
But nothing that a taunt wont solve
brazen yarrow
get hit in the back
urban portal
Skill issue
sudden sluice
DBTS?
median tulip
I find that threat tends to be a bit loose at the start of a pull, but is an non issue after a few seconds. It's only really a problem if the DPS go full out the instant of the pull.
median tulip
DBTS?
Die By The Sword. Arms defensive ability that gives 100% Parry for a few seconds. Mostly good for Spiteful weeks because it makes the shades a total non-issue for Arms.
sudden sluice
Oh, neat, thanks.
It's one of those acronyms you only see typed, I guess, because "Die by the Sword" is the same number of syllables out loud.
sick sentinel
becomes angry bey blade, RIPS aggro, dies, is confused, thats the tag line, let er rip
toxic pewter
Who else prefers arms over fury or am I the only one
frank kiln
sooo were can i find some hot prot macros?
toxic pewter
I macro every ability to one button and just press it constantly
timber slate
Arms because fury is too mainstream
frank kiln
thx
median tulip
Fury is a spec I play if I want to set my RSI off
timber slate
zenith vine
fury is cringe
sweet summit
wrong
timber slate
dark lark
Simple question regarding CD management, both for raid bosses and prolonged m+ pulls: Do you guys have a preferred priority for cooldowns? I.E. Shield Wall first because it has CDR attached to it, or Demo Shout because it's shorter, or Aegis, etc; just as a general principle
cinder storm
Between anger management, urh, and the holy priest thing that diminishes CD plus the conduit you can use 3-4 shield walls on a prolonged boss fight
More maybe
I only m+, can't talk about raid
woven laurel
what key lvl do racials start to matter?
lofty widget
probably never
dark lark
what key lvl do racials start to matter?
Never
cinder storm
Pick the race you like your xmogs on
frank kiln
i mean i see some people say vulperain or what ever those foxes are
bc of there first hit damage reduction
cinder storm
That was before reprisal became a thing and it was not game breaking imo, specially not in BfA
urban portal
Simple question regarding CD management, both for raid bosses and prolonged m+ p...
You should try to cast shout as much as possible cuz booming voice
Wall is for more spicy pulls
dark lark
You should try to cast shout as much as possible cuz booming voice
What if in a single pull, I need to use multiple cooldowns in a row, would it be DS/LS(with conduit) for banner, into SW, into Aegis?
dark lark
Would Aegis before SW (because 1.5min CD) be better or does it not make a difference
Or SW because you just start reducing its CD
urban portal
Doesn’t matter too much
cinder storm
You can SW almost on pull when urh spawns, the CDR will carry you enough after it dies, if it takes too long to die by the time it's dead you should be close to having SW again. Use Aegis as an emergency type of CD, and focus on your rotation
It's free real state
urban portal
Maybe I’ll try ls on pull and sw when urh dies
cinder storm
You get it reduced after it dies and it's buff will keep you alive longer, just sw on pull, unless the pull is not spicy enough
Avatar+SW - Urh - Booming + Avatar, Necro shield tap then SW again
Mix it with a banner ls and most pulls should be manageable
eager lodge
would you guys drop 6 item levels for leach on a chest peice?
wraith hemlock
Nop
Ilvl means more armor, more str, more stamina, more secondaries
For whatever leach u get from that... not enough heals to justify
sick sentinel
number go up make other number go up,
toxic pewter
how come I cannot seem to break like 10.5k dps
meanwhile pally walks in and just hits like 1 button and is at 15k
woven laurel
how come I cannot seem to break like 10.5k dps
empowered tc lol
toxic pewter
empowered tc lol
wat u mean u mean i am using outburst on thunderclap?
woven laurel
wat u mean u mean i am using outburst on thunderclap?
yeah lmao
not always but a few times a dungeon isnt bad
like moments where you dont need rage or need to snap aggro is fine
toxic pewter
Interesting. That does make sense I cannot lie
I have hit thunderclap by accident here and there
I hate that I spam thunderclap more than i want to
I have to retrain my mind to hit thunderclap less
plucky hearth
Seismic reverberation is so much fun in 15s
ionic fern
Agreed.
ionic fern
I hate that I spam thunderclap more than i want to
It depends on what other buttons are available at the time when you press TC.
On the DPS part, are you wasting rage? What's your banner uptime? Are you Executing enough?
Are you charge weaving and using Revenge procs?
gilded wing
I am 4 wins away from 1800 in 2v2 as prot; fuck the scrubs who said it can’t be done
Wow
Well* it isn’t done yet, but you know, 4 wins away
blazing condor
Chad
echo egret
So are there any (heroic) Sepulcher Raid trinket really worth hunting down, compared to the M+ ones ?
blazing condor
nop
empty path
there is no good trinkets in sepulcher....
strong forum
9.2 trinkets suck ass
jagged pier
Considering trying to get cache even tho it doesnt give main stat 🤔
echo egret
Another question : how is Anduin with a very small group ? Like 10-12
I see "you should aim to heal all 4 hopes in Kingsmourne phase 1" but I fail to see how that's possible when you send only 1 healer down here
jagged pier
Well all the hp is relative in a 10-12 player group theyll have hp realtive to 1 player healing them
wraith hemlock
the healing adds down there are healed super fast too
jagged pier
And the adds are healable by 1 person in 30 man btw cause ive seen it
wraith hemlock
like my group does 20 players and only 1 healer down on each kingsmourne for heroic
yeah
they heal super easy
we do have to send a shadow priest down to mass dispell thou
but healers can easily solo heal down phase
jagged pier
U dont have to mass dispell
A single healer ca just dispell 1 heal it etcetc it just takes longer
wraith hemlock
I mean yeah... but that takes longer
we dont want that
also if the healer fails to heal one add down we just blame him and he has to pay 10k gold to the gbank
jagged pier
I mean it doesnt really matter ither way tbh
I mean in hc u dont even need to deal with all the adds
echo egret
so having 1 healer + an extra dispel would be ideal
jagged pier
It doesnt matter ither way if u have a Mass dispell or not
wraith hemlock
if ur healer is not used to solo healing it let him handle it at his own pace
otherwise he might get overwhelmed
and curl up and cry
echo egret
ok
amber basin
Anger management still taken over heavy repercussions in raid with 4pc and 2 leggos? Assuming yes but just want to confirm
median tulip
Yes
amber basin
Ok thanks
timber nest
Is there a place to grab all the routes for MDT?
blazing condor
Is there a place to grab all the routes for MDT?
Keystone.guru probably
stuck kite
What do you think of the prot warrior state actually in this patch? I have my opinion but want others
dawn canyon
Owns
ionic fern
What do you think of the prot warrior state actually in this patch? I have my op...
Amazing.
tropic linden
very fun and rewarding to play
lofty widget
super fun, really good
dawn canyon
Why would we joke about being good
jagged pier
Its just as strong as the other tanks ppl are just sleeping on it
dawn canyon
Dont play UF
stuck kite
he's not in his best form i think
brazen yarrow
fury offtank in dragonflight maybe?
dawn canyon
I doubt it
strong forum
No
Just no
That ship has sailed 10 years ago
11 years even
Offspec offtanking is literally dead
jagged pier
As offtanking isnt a thing, no
dawn canyon
Offspec offtanking is literally dead
But Arms parry 
brazen yarrow
do u not run 2 tanks in a raid?
strong forum
You can't live as "fury prot"
brazen yarrow
dragonflight talent trees
strong forum
That's not a thing lassan
dawn canyon
strong forum
You won't get hybrid specs
You won't suddenly be able to spec into +100% armor from strength passive as fury
lofty widget
it's a class tree and a spec tree, so you wont be able to spec into fury and prot at the same time
brazen yarrow
ah
brazen yarrow
i thought it was gonna be like vanilla again
stuck kite
Its just as strong as the other tanks ppl are just sleeping on it
Why people are sleeping on it ?
brazen yarrow
with all 3 spec
dawn canyon
Why people are sleeping on it ?
BDK
brazen yarrow
Why people are sleeping on it ?
not as easy
stuck kite
ok
brazen yarrow
well i hope default warr has some fury stuff
lofty widget
whirlwind 
ionic fern
Why people are sleeping on it ?
Because their favourite streamer hasn't started playing it yet.
dawn canyon
Andy said he liked pwar
stuck kite
ok
brazen yarrow
Andy said he liked pwar
anduin lothar?
dawn canyon
Andybrew
stuck kite
i have another question, why no one play victory rush and play indomitable?
ionic fern
i have another question, why no one play victory rush and play indomitable?
Because Indom > VR.
stuck kite
40% heal i one clap is not strong?
strong forum
Because indom is why you survive anything
stuck kite
because actually if healer dead indomitable will not save
ionic fern
Not as strong as extra HP + stable indom healing, especially with current rage gain.
stuck kite
ok
strong forum
The constant flow of incoming healing from indom is much much better than 1 chunk 3 times a minute
brazen yarrow
2 times
strong forum
Cuz you'll just die when IV is on CD
brazen yarrow
a min
strong forum
Isnt the CD 20sec?
brazen yarrow
25 sec
brazen yarrow
every few minute su get it 3x a min
idk prot just feels kinda heavily feast or famine to me
kinda offputting ngl
stuck kite
two another talent question, why not in the fray in place of ravager? and why not reinforcement for the 15 sec Mastery block?
dawn canyon
Ravager is better in m+
ionic fern
two another talent question, why not in the fray in place of ravager? and why no...
ItF = mostly ST
Ravager = AoE
stuck kite
ok
dawn canyon
Rava is good aoe threat
ionic fern
Idk what "Reinforcement for 15 sec Mastery block" question is.
lofty widget
bolster prob
ionic fern
Reprisal (Legendary) is the play currently which provides enough SB up-time.
So you can play AM.
dawn canyon
Should play AM ratge
tropic linden
Because their favourite streamer hasn't started playing it yet.
Plka is my favorite streamer, but even he says that prot is not as good as other tanks
stuck kite
actually the fact that his adding me a cd is pretty confortable
dawn canyon
Am with tier is insane
strong forum
That's cuz plka is getting bullied
stuck kite
Ok!
ionic fern
is it an error to not play anger management?
If you're looking to min-max and play properly, then yes. It's our best option on that row.
That said, you CAN play other talents, they are just inferior.
ionic fern
Plka is my favorite streamer, but even he says that prot is not as good as other...
@patent osprey stop sleeping on Prot Warrior.
tropic linden
I don't think we can afford to run anything other than AM at Rygelon
strong forum
In raid you'd never play anything but AM
stuck kite
ty for your answer!
answers*
Just to confirm what i seen the prot priority is haste/poly/mastery right?
dawn canyon
One more thing since you mentioned played bfa s4
Unstoppable force isnt good anymore
tropic linden
Haste >> Crit/Vers >> Mastery
dawn canyon
Clap kinda ass
stuck kite
yeah miss the talent tree
from bfa
and the 100% cooldown reduction
but woluld have been too much op with the legendary
undone verge
I love this image
lime urchin
Plka is my favorite streamer, but even he says that prot is not as good as other...
Because probably on the level that he plays, the minor differences between tonks matter and maybe warrior lacks a bit in some areas that don’t matter at all to us plebs.
undone verge
I love prot but it’s easy to see how it underperforms
undone verge
undone verge
Underrepresented cause they underperform. I doubt people want to play monk more than prot. All the monk tanks I know don’t like monk
strong forum
Lol
dawn canyon
I dont see how representation and performance are linked in this case
dawn canyon
If this was indicative itd be 90% bdk
strong forum
Even in bfa monk was more played than pwar in s3
Everybody and their mom prefers monk over pwar
blazing cradle
hello guys i wanted to play war as an alt after long time....should i follow the suggested slots for legendaries or there's some better choices like reprisal on legs for stat gain
strong forum
Even if pwar is better
brazen yarrow
people who still play pwar
dawn canyon
brazen yarrow
play it cuz theyve been playijg it for a long time
stuck kite
Many time when i arrived in mm+ group they treated me like a shiny pokemon XD
tropic linden
Everybody and their mom prefers monk over pwar
Why the hate on pwar? Why ppl don't like them? It's the playstyle?
ionic fern
hello guys i wanted to play war as an alt after long time....should i follow the...
Suggestions are correct.
strong forum
Playstyle and the "no self healing" stigma
undone verge
I’m not saying people want to play pwarrior but like we’re not exactly the best rank class. Almost all the other tanks comfortably beat us. Like every time I join a group they’re like ‘I’ve never seen a prot warrior this season’
ionic fern
I’m not saying people want to play pwarrior but like we’re not exactly the best ...
Beat us in what?
strong forum
Idk chief, every tank does 11-15k dps in keys
brazen yarrow
hella healing and damage and defensives
lofty widget
why does healing matter lol
dawn canyon
BDK is the best tank but doesnt mean we are bad
strong forum
The healing stems from taking boatloads of dmg
dawn canyon
BDK hps
BDK dam taken
lofty widget
give me a plugin for details that show blocked dmg as healing
tropic linden
give me a plugin for details that show blocked dmg as healing
Plz no
They will nerf block
strong forum
Like you're listing the same mindless arguments that anybody who has no idea spews
lofty widget
They will nerf block
true
stuck kite
war dps is lower than any of the other tank, and that's because we need to choose survivability
ionic fern
war dps is lower than any of the other tank, and that's because we need to choos...
That's so horribly wrong.
If your DPS is low it's because you are playing incorrectly.
tropic linden
war dps is lower than any of the other tank, and that's because we need to choos...
What is the DPS u think Pwar does?
brazen yarrow
bdk
pwar
brew
vdh
bear
stuck kite
sorry, actually we need to choose survivabilioty because literaly no healer know how to heal a prot warrior
tropic linden
The lowest dps in tanks are bear atm
stuck kite
they never see them
dawn canyon
How do i need to heal a pwar then
dawn canyon
Other than pressing healing Buttons
tropic linden
sorry, actually we need to choose survivabilioty because literaly no healer know...
They need the same EHRP as any other tank, usually less because they don't selfheal
lofty widget
isnt prot like, the easiest tank to heal
strong forum
The biggest downside of pwar is the healer not knowing how and when a pwar needs healing
stuck kite
and we were overpowerd
lofty widget
hp low? heal us up
strong forum
Azran we're stronger rn than in bfa
strong forum
hp low? heal us up
That's not all there is to it
stuck kite
supposed to be
strong forum
You gotta know when a pwar will need healing and when they don't. And how they take dmg
Cuz it's entirely different to other tanks
brazen yarrow
bear gameplay
stuck kite
many healer told me i was easy to heal but never a single pu
brazen yarrow
bite
stuck kite
always guild mate
dawn canyon
Pugs 🚮
tropic linden
AutomaticJak has a rlly good video about how to heal each tank
stuck kite
XD
undone verge
Dmg and survivability. Like prot isn’t bad, but compared to a bdk or ppally we don’t compete. Under them you have veng and bm which both might be on our level for dmg, they def are more equipped for higher keys. Like I said, prots not bad but other tanks pull ahead
dawn canyon
What do you expect from pugs
stuck kite
Drood is actually as unplayed as prot
ionic fern
stuck kite
*in the top
strong forum
Dmg and survivability. Like prot isn’t bad, but compared to a bdk or ppally we d...
That's why pwar ended up in top 7 world rio in S1?
tropic linden
Dmg and survivability. Like prot isn’t bad, but compared to a bdk or ppally we d...
BDK is not the king u talk about
jagged pier
Never forgetti
Moms sapgehtti
dawn canyon
You dont have to be bis tank to play ur tank
wild hemlock
ele shaman and steve is better than all tanks
strong forum
Naowh depleted 5 keys yesterday cuz he got randomly 1clapped on his bdk
dawn canyon
Skill issue i suppose
wild hemlock
steve being earth ele
strong forum
They've reached the point where bdk can't live reliably anymore
dawn canyon
Shoulda blocked
tropic linden
And there will ALWAYS be a #1 tank, this does not mean the other tanks are bad
jagged pier
Where is all this arguement that we dont do damage i did 14k this week in a key and was srcond on dps in defensive stuff 🤔
Stop being bad and making excuses and play the class correctly
ionic fern
Stop being bad and making excuses and play the class correctly
Requires effort. It's easier to complain that the class is bad.
brazen yarrow
Stop being bad and making excuses and play the class correctly
play the class correctly?
ionic fern
tropic linden
We don't need to press IP with 4set for defensives anymore, only to not overcap
jagged pier
Then play fury, prot isnt for everyone
stuck kite
The war is good, just not as good as the top tanks and that is anyway a problem because we all here are prot lover right?
jagged pier
Requires effort. It's easier to complain that the class is bad.
'But im not wasting any raid'
stuck kite
so let's do a manifestation at blizzard forum
dawn canyon
It doesnt stop me from playing prot
dawn canyon
so let's do a manifestation at blizzard forum
Dude we are fine
tropic linden
Prot is not #1, but is pretty close, cause all tanks are pretty close
dawn canyon
Dont need anything
brazen yarrow
It doesnt stop me from playing prot
what stops u from playing prot is that u dont play prot
jagged pier
The war is good, just not as good as the top tanks and that is anyway a problem ...
Top tanks are doing 29s prot warrior has done 28s yes real bad for most players
dawn canyon
what stops u from playing prot is that u dont play prot
Shield ilvl
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
We literally don't need buffs
brazen yarrow
We literally don't need buffs
buff all tanks
tropic linden
I just need DPSs that can kick, that's all I need
stuck kite
I will just wait for players to go 30 with prot at the season end
dawn canyon
Wdym end
stuck kite
will happened maybe
tropic linden
DK also? I always invite DH just for this
dawn canyon
Pwar 30 NW seems so "easy"
stuck kite
when there will be no rio to gain and playing for fun
jagged pier
I still dont understand why it matters if prot isnt doing the top keys, why does that stop you for your weekly 15-26 keys makes no diffrrence
dawn canyon
DK also? I always invite DH just for this
They have a conduit that gives runic power on kick and they like their runic power
strong forum
I still dont understand why it matters if prot isnt doing the top keys, why does...
This
undone verge
I’m just saying we underperform compared to other specs, not saying they’re bad. I’m always gonna play my pwarrior
stuck kite
Actually it stop because you are literally refused over many tanks at same rio...
undone verge
Actually it stop because you are literally refused over many tanks at same rio.....
This
jagged pier
I havent been declined from a key
stuck kite
the image representation of a class is important
jagged pier
🤷
undone verge
We’re not ‘the meta’ so we don’t get invited like a bdk or prot pally with the same oo
stuck kite
peoples want dk/monk/paladin
fringe folio
People are stupid
strong forum
Fuck em
ionic fern
Wait, how is this connected to "underperforming"?
tropic linden
Why can't we play our own keys?
jagged pier
But cocnut was jist talking about underperforming then changed his arguement?
tropic linden
I've been declined from a fucking +2 at 270 ilvl
Cause ur bad
jagged pier
Well yer your bad
fringe folio
I've been declined from a fucking +2 at 270 ilvl
Frankly, that’s a skill issue 😄
stuck kite
just valor farm XD
tropic linden
Sorry to say this, but someone had to
jagged pier
Only 15k
dawn canyon
Man nome guess ur just playing a bad tank
jagged pier
dawn canyon
Should reroll something desirable
fringe folio
Exactly hehe
jagged pier
Dont get me started
strong forum
Yeah I should play something that I hate so I can do content that doesn't matter
The average wow players mindset
stuck kite
Didnt u see dratnos' tierlist
did he said something about prot?
dawn canyon
He makes these tierlist
jagged pier
The average wow players mindset
dawn canyon
Like before Patch Release
strong forum
Wanna know the biggest issue for people is?
dawn canyon
Based on nothing really
undone verge
He has as in last or something but it’s really outdated
jagged pier
Ive only ever been complimented by pugs tbh
dawn canyon
"I get flamed by pugs"
Nah pigs was correct
tropic linden
"I got refused by pug +15"
- 1500 IO
undone verge
I get complimented by pugs cause they always say they’ve never seen prot warriors and how they expected me to die instantly
strong forum
And thats it right there
dawn canyon
I've never been complimented :(
Im gonna pug snipe you and comment on your hair 😈
Compliment as soon as ur ever pugging
Which i hope u wont 
tropic linden
I get complimented by pugs cause they always say they’ve never seen prot warrior...
Oh well, I just died right at the first pull last week on necrotic on DOS
strong forum
They are so misinformed that they assume pwar literally can't survive and needs perma healing and does less than 10k dps
That's the end all be all of reasons
jagged pier
Andy gunna save us just saying
dawn canyon
Yes
jagged pier
🙏
strong forum
Dude spoilers
stuck kite
Hopium
jagged pier
Dude we need one after the china mdi
Fucking warrior playing kryain seismic on a 24 tryanical key
Like brah
fringe folio
Just play the tank you enjoy. That’s correct for 99,99% of the wow players IMO
strong forum
In gambit of all keys aswell
dawn canyon
cn mdi was so fun
strong forum
The vdh team had 45 deaths before leaving murloc area
But then you have tettles and dratnos make fun of the winning team instead cuz lol pwar
Gj boys...
Real clever move
jagged pier
Yer but the vdh group they werent wiping because of class choice nome
U see whenever some died in the prot group it was because of the warrior
Of course
stuck kite
do you have the video o that?
strong forum
It's literally on wows youtube
jagged pier
Well it will be on the wow yt
dawn canyon
was it day 2?
strong forum
Ye
stuck kite
day 2 noted
dawn canyon
so youtube warcraf > mdi china day 2
strong forum
And id like to note, it was a kyrian (bad) seismic (bad in 24s) prot war
strong forum
Into sanguine :)
dawn canyon
strong forum
Yo
Do you reckon it's the same pwar on leaderboards who did streets 24
As kyrian with seismic
jagged pier
Probably
stuck kite
dont see any prot warriors days 2 mdi
dawn canyon
are u cn mdi
stuck kite
china sorry
strong forum
This man making me post him the timestamp
echo egret
rate these rings : a) 132 haste 157 vers -- b) 120 crit 170 haste -- c) 207 haste 83 mastery ?
I'm hesitating between c+a or c+b
jagged pier
The rings with the most haste
echo egret
regardless of the other stat
undone verge
Haste>
echo egret
tbh I don't praise the overall design when a stat reigns supreme that much, and across so many specs
vernal vale
Wow
I havent watched any mdi but I'm honestly not suprised by the commentary because of the community perception. Which never seems to go away.
dawn canyon
jagged pier
They been doing that since week 2
stuck kite
found the soa they did with prot
dawn canyon
pugs is the issue man
vernal vale
Pugs are an awful thing.
I was just spamming 15s last night to fill vault. Got whispered twice prot is bad play an actual tank.
vernal vale
So much ego there as they are after loot and because 15s are keystone master they
vernal vale
I havent tried seismic yet. Just working on reducing my rage waste at this time
strong forum
Yikes
vernal vale
Oof
median tulip
For 15s you could run no legendary and still time with ease
stuck kite
literally never got a problem to get in a 15
play shadowlands since 18days
i'm at 2885 rio
fiery badge
I was just spamming 15s last night to fill vault. Got whispered twice prot is ba...
People act like that shit matters in a 15
Plus tank balance is usually pretty decent
undone verge
No leggo no tier and a 15 would still be super easy
median tulip
Whenever I've had a busy week out-of-game and just need to fill my vault I go tank ToP 15s
I could do ToP+15 in my sleep at this point
dawn canyon
at this point gambit is overtaking mists for my fast weekly key prefference
undone verge
Gambit is fun
median tulip
I dislike the Dragon boss