got 87% banner uptime with seismic and BSC
#protection
peak garnet
I just startet on my prot warr and now i got Sepulcher's Savior and Assimilated Safeguard borh from mythic, what should I use 😄
jagged pier
assimilated
odd tree
more saying that they feel easy, even if play is poor
median tulip
Random thought: Can you swap Shields during M+ runs?
median tulip
You can swap weapons, right?
blazing condor
ive never tried anything fancy like that
median tulip
I'm just wondering if you could be ultra-nerdy and swap to Sep Saviour when def mode is up and to a stat shield when it's not
primal wraith
I'd assume it goes on 30sec cd once you swap to it?
mighty valley
you can just leave it in def mode all the time
timber slate
Blizzard making useless trinket/legendary everytime
sick sentinel
i keep forgetting that the default hunter is now melee spec, so i invite them thinking them are bm/mm/ but mostly, lust spec
strong forum
same tbh
sick sentinel
i dunno if there is a version of melee hunter uses pets too ,but that would be fun and cool
dawn canyon
They can Lust
strong forum
surv hunter does use a pet
sick sentinel
well, we got to first boss of TOP, and i pulled it no, lust, someone died, wipe, etc etc you know the rest, el depleto
mortal brook
surv pet is their resource builder and tier proccer
dawn canyon
"hunt u have to lust"
mortal brook
and should default have a ferocity pet (lust)
oblique garnet
and should default have a ferocity pet (lust)
My favorite part of pugging keys was pressing drums if the hunter was too slow
dawn canyon
"hunt u got lust pet?"
leaves
sick sentinel
most groups target melee first boss?
dawn canyon
Top?
sick sentinel
i've always done it sath
anyways, i didn't get enough aggro on melee mob looks like, warrior got smoked,
dawn canyon
Oh one thing im actually really curious about, i saw dorki tank the 3rd Boss nw creations diagonally to the room, roughly where the gaundlet spawns are.
Any obvious advantages that come to mind?
sick sentinel
attacked the relics instead of attacking the boss
median tulip
people going alpha strike on a mob that I haven't built threat on is always a pain
urban portal
Anger management should work on taunt shout
cerulean wyvern
odd....survival hunter pet should be lust pet for the leech
sick sentinel
"hunt u got lust pet?"
>leaves
too many times to count in BFA, 5 times a day
timber slate
most groups target melee first boss?
You have to interrupt the caster, so you can group them all
cinder storm
the only spell you want to focus on is Searing Death
blazing saffron
Is there any aura recommendations for making sure you dont cap out ignore pain?
lofty widget
capping IP doesnt matter
blazing saffron
Oh. Good shit.
blazing saffron
capping rage is down bad
cinder storm
Also, if you run with a fury/arms, make a habit of using challenging shout
tropic linden
What is this "TOO FAR" that is popping up?
tropic linden
that one i know ha
U want to spend rage to get more procs from the tier and reduce ur CDs with Anger Managment
So it's better to "waste" rage on IP
So u don't overcap
blazing saffron
U want to spend rage to get more procs from the tier and reduce ur CDs with Ange...
That said I do IDEALLY want to keep enough rage for a Sblock right?
tropic linden
yeah, try to stay between 30-70
lofty widget
sure, but with necro 4 pc that shouldnt be a main concern
tropic linden
But we have so much rage with 4pc, it's hard to NOT have 30 rage
lofty widget
we're generating shitloads of rage constantly
cinder storm
unless you have charge or intervene available
cinder storm
pull faster, spam ip
lofty widget
revenge more 
strong forum
Your cpm of revenge is abysmal
lofty widget
and pls
strong forum
Same as your cpm of SS ( which comes from not using enough revenge)
lofty widget
bind execute 😦
jagged pier
holy u wasting a lot of rage for a raid fight
blazing saffron
I honestly took execute off my bars. I was super sketched from tanking heroic on it as a lock main ha
strong forum
Huh??
strong forum
Execute is the whole reason why banner is sooo good in raid
blazing saffron
Guild has talked way down bad on prot warr so i prepared for the worst ha
lofty widget
execute is like, the best button to press when its available
sick sentinel
What is this "TOO FAR" that is popping up?
out of melee range of target
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BVnrMad16FJQRxKy#fight=20&type=resources&source=7&spell=101 this is bad 10% of your rage gone
lofty widget
spends a lot of rage, generates a bit, resets SS
strong forum
As soon as the boss is in execute range you stop using revenge and IP
And just spam execute
blazing saffron
Oooooooh
blazing saffron
Should I be leaping out and charging?
ocean yoke
just gotta work on your rage gen, not wasting it, and cast numbers
jagged pier
u can literally walk out and charge
strong forum
Like, you did less dmg than I did without tier.
lofty widget
Should I be leaping out and charging?
just charge when your co tank taunts
strong forum
Whilst having 270ilvl and 4pc
jagged pier
your not even running ashen jugment
blazing saffron
Lots of info to soak in. Thanks for all the tips and info folks. Sorry to hit ya with the trash logs hehe
strong forum
Nothing to be sorry about
blazing saffron
Thats the goal!
strong forum
Playing necrolord reprisal pwar is the hardest tank to play optimally, it's only natural that people will struggle with it
chilly brook
@blazing saffron My brother in Christ, you best be hitting execute
blazing saffron
Good goddamn
chilly brook
Execute is big chimp energy
strong forum
And the main reason why we even show up on the dmg meter
blazing saffron
Clearly haha thats nuts
mighty valley
when someone starts memeing about "prot warrior utility" i'm linking them execute damage logs
blazing saffron
I really appreciate all the help folks!
mighty valley
Grow strong 💪
toxic pewter
mighty egret
candid path
Playing necrolord reprisal pwar is the hardest tank to play optimally, it's only...
I'm not kidding when I say I have literally been doing resistance band exercises to strengthen my rotator cuff muscles so I can play it better without getting sore.
candid path
And it's working. Irl exercise made me better at Prot Warrior again. Happened in Legion, happened again.
1000% true
timber slate
And the strongest tank is basically stand there and spam 1 button
How ironic
jagged pier
all those untimed keys probably
blazing saffron
Also LFG is toxic af due to the nature of it ha
median tulip
The other day, I had 2 DPS drop rather than go with a Prot warrior
So we got 2 more DPS and +2d they key
Their loss
candid path
nice
jagged pier
In all 3 of the keys ive done this week ive been second on dps 
rain lance
If those 2 dps were so fixated on the 'meta' that they refused to run with a prot warr, you likely dodged a bullet by them leaving
oak cypress
In all 3 of the keys ive done this week ive been second on dps <:okayge:91764681...
Is it still because of the Spell relfecion ?
jagged pier
No
jagged pier
Yer the other column
sacred timber
but it isnt even fort
jagged pier
Ppl will look at evetything
And fort keys are harder for tanks so as they see u dont have them timed thats an F
sacred timber
and I think I have run about 2 of each key on fort cause the weeks are just cancer or I dont feel like running them.
jagged pier
Well why would they take someone that only runs keys half the time 🤷
Thats how their looking at it
sacred timber
why would someone with a 2100 io and a +15 take a 2916 prot warrior >_>
With multiple timed 20s....
That is only timed runs
I still have timed 19s and 20s on fort
jagged pier
I dont all my keys are timed at 19 or 20 for both weeks and i dont get declined 🤷
quaint glade
In all 3 of the keys ive done this week ive been second on dps <:okayge:91764681...
How 
sacred timber
sacred timber
jagged pier
Ty
sacred timber
yw
got nothing to do while I wait for the 6 people to decide whether or not to accept me to a +15
quaint glade
I press buttons
jagged pier
Well its time for 
sacred timber
jagged pier
12k
Did like 13.5 today with rep
And 15.5 ish k with seismic today
Depends on key of course
But 10-12 should be the average
Well probs 11-12
chilly brook
I'm not kidding when I say I have literally been doing resistance band exercises...
No one is going to like this suggestion, but go run at least one time a week
increased circulation, better core strength, more oxygen, you're literally making yourself better even in games since you're basically diverting more energy to the brain and also helping protect against injuries when gaming
ocean yoke
if i wasnt able to go bike riding i mightve gone insane over the last 2 years
candid path
No one is going to like this suggestion, but go run at least one time a week
If you catch me running, it's going to be a 'for my life,' scenario
and I probably won't succeed
chilly brook
lol like I said, start with once a week
I hate running
but the benefits are there, also trail/nature running is a game changer
mighty valley
i'd run if i was near a trail but i cba driving
instead i watch anime on the exercise bike
sacred timber
Im too scared to touch grass
chilly brook
Llarold do me a favor and tell the rest of the wowhead writing team that the Blue Dragonflight magic is Arcane and not Frost. During the ordering of Azeroth, the titan Norgannon blessed Malygos and his flight with power over the arcane and the duty of ensuring it would never be abused.
candid path
😄
paper mirage
The other day, I had 2 DPS drop rather than go with a Prot warrior
Had the same thing happen to me last week. Didn’t realize there was disdain for prot wars. People too fixated on meta comp. 😦
candid path
it's funny, the things I hear most about Prot Warrior, at least in terms of negatives, are that it has poor threat and survivability
which is just... no
to both of those, hell no
chilly brook
to both of those, hell no
leftover stigma
candid path
exactly
chilly brook
although both of those have generally been not true the whole expansion
candid path
like people in Monk world saying Haste is a worthless stat
yeah, in Legion it was
that was last decade
chilly brook
survivability just skyrocketed this patch tho
median tulip
I find that my initial burst threat is somewhat lacking, compared to (say) a Paladin
chilly brook
should we be running ashens juggernaunt? just for raid or keys as well?
I do
you should be using execute quite a bit in keys
candid path
literally everything lacking compared to Paladin's opening threat, tbf
chilly brook
3 targets or less execute is used
candid path
it's like saying "I feel weak and small compared to LeBron James"
you're supposed to
he's Herculean, he's probably on HGH, so are Paladins
candid path
yeah, I would think so
urban portal
Blood dk tho
median tulip
Paladins and BDKs seem to be everywhere at the moment. VDH have just vanished. Or at least that's my impression from playing my Shaman
urban portal
Don’t you lose all your borrowed power in prepatch or what’s the deal
chilly brook
Don’t you lose all your borrowed power in prepatch or what’s the deal
usually
legendaries will probably stick around
urban portal
In 9.0 you lost corruptions but kept azerites?
candid path
BDK still has a baseline of really solid defensive value, Paladin's basically only going to have the amazing group utility
chilly brook
I'd assume they'll do the bfa treatment
median tulip
In 9.0 you lost corruptions but kept azerites?
Yes
candid path
that's all barring talents, I mean they may just give Ashen/Divine Toll, etc. to Pally in the talent tree
in which case never mind, still absurd
urban portal
Blood dk had it really bad until 9.2
chilly brook
aka legendaries will work until probably like 65
candid path
Blood dk had it really bad until 9.2
they were defensively adequate in raids, at least
turbo-ass damage output, of course
chilly brook
I tanked with a DK in 9.0.5 and 9.1 homie was fine
candid path
that is true
median tulip
I mean, even if Legendaries turn off in Azeroth or the Dragon Isles, they are still 291 items, so they will last for a good few levels
I was still wearing some Ny'alotha gear when I hit 60 IIRC
chilly brook
I was still wearing some Ny'alotha gear when I hit 60 IIRC
I used my vita for a long time
lol
urban portal
Yeah if you had bis gear it would prob last for all of leveling
median tulip
I used my vita for a long time
Saaaaaaaaame
chilly brook
vita lasted until 60
median tulip
One of my guildies had played a single character all the way through BfA, so her Heart of Azeroth was some stupidly high ilvl that she didn't replace for months after she hit 60
Even just as a stat piece is was better than anything short of Vault or Mythic Raid gear
urban portal
Heart went infinite Ilvl or something?
median tulip
I can't remember. There's probably still someone out there trying to get it to ilvl 1000 or something
ocean yoke
i swapped off the neck while leveling for a downgrade just to get rid of that god forsaken rock
sick sentinel
my bfa neck is 149
mortal brook
Llarold do me a favor and tell the rest of the wowhead writing team that the Blu...
blue dragons live in snowy areas tho
and turn into frostwyrms
chilly brook
blue dragons live in snowy areas tho
Do they though? Cuz like all dragons lived in north rend
So is alexstraza frost too
mortal brook
does she live in a snowy area
mortal brook
thats the 9-5
mortal brook
the 9-5
chilly brook
Frostwyrm is like 100% just from being undead
mortal brook
bet he'd be a frostwyrm if you raised him tho
and lived in da snowy
so if not specc'd frost, they sure are frost hobbyists at the very least!
mortal brook
none at all?
chilly brook
This is like saying all dks were frost mages
mortal brook
frost hobbyists for sure
waxen orbit
Tanking M Halondrus
Advice?
For big deeps?
Other than just like
The conventional shit
chilly brook
bet he'd be a frostwyrm if you raised him tho
chilly brook
SMH the trolling is real
waxen orbit
Banner uptime is fucking hard on Mythic Hal holy shit
I'm just gonna go Kyr/NF for the braindead gameplay
mortal brook
idk what to tell ya. some blue dragons be frost breathin. fire dragons be doing life stuff. they dont have to be just one thing 🤷♂️
let em embrace their passion
like a nickelodeon special where their father wants them to be a professional dancer but they sure love rollerblading
mortal brook
and will anyone be suprised if the Azure Span is snowy as heck and theres blue dragons frostin the place up? nope. will they also do Arcane things? surely
mortal brook
throws fireballs, turns into emberwyrm. blue dragon. looks like they dont have to do arcane things
sick sentinel
dragons also have sharp teeth and claws, thick armor
mortal brook
they sure do, yogi
chilly brook
throws fireballs, turns into emberwyrm. blue dragon. looks like they dont *have*...
Technically arcane is the building block of all magic, fire mages are just using arcane mastery to conjure fire
sick sentinel
Arcane mage as something like a warlock maybe where it put dots on everyone or just 1 guy could be cool, time magic, then you could slow down or speed up dots
Best way I can think that accurately describes arcane is time magic
Feels like arcane is pretty much exclusively leveling and pvp
mortal brook
gratz
wraith hemlock
Ty sep. nice weekn for u
ocean yoke
boy do i have the trade offer of a lifetime for you i will give you 600 gold for that
vapid lynx
is it better to gem/enchant for haste or verse for M+?
mighty valley
haste unless you're at like40%+
vapid lynx
ok, thank you
cinder nova
I mean, I wouldn't say dogshit, but you definitely shouldn't be aiming for it.
And you certainly don't have a benchmark % for any stat to perform well.
Sigil is pretty cash on some fatty pulls tho
Tangentially, I know you saw me climbing. Don't act like that last 100 io was just because you felt like it
vapid lynx
what trinkets yall suggest over OWS/Aegis? didnt play my warrior last tier 😦
vapid lynx
yeah been trying to grab OPC since i still ned it for fury, wasnt sure how good it is for prot
ocean yoke
are you talking raid or m+? will be a bit different
OWS great in either though, especially if you got a 259
ocean yoke
hard to wrong with set and forget trinkets like phial and ticking sack if you dont need aegis for whatever particular key you do
anima field emitter is another decent option from spires if you got it
abstract gazelle
Hello guys im offspec tank, and some times i have to tank, i figured out scolex mythic and with good cooldown rotations we were able to kill him, but for everything sacred dausegne would kill my ass off really easy with the cosmic damage stack, i dont know what to do
ocean yoke
at least in my own times on desausage i wouldnt end up with more than 3 or 4 stacks at a time when we would swap. rough times are naturally when you are going through rings since its just another magic dot so i was using cds for those times. the add will absolutely clap though if people let its bolt cast go off
primal wraith
Hello guys im offspec tank, and some times i have to tank, i figured out scolex ...
Do you have logs?
paper mirage
Does this look about right? It was from the final boss of a +6 NW
paper mirage
ty
scenic mural
Running emeni, gross
jagged pier
nope my computer is too potato look up nomeratur if u want logs
woven laurel
how much rage is too much rage wasted
strong forum
More than 3-5%
Ideally you want it ofc as close to 0 as possible but that's giga hard
paper mirage
fueled by violence does not look right
Yeah, I think most recommend the Last Stand rage regeneration conduit instead
strong forum
It's literally our best endurance conduit
You're literally immortal during it
Turns a shit CD into our best offensive and defensive CD
paper mirage
You're literally immortal during it
I'm immortal 100% of the time bruh
strong forum
glacial flint
Does this look about right? It was from the final boss of a +6 NW
looks wrong because its skada in 2022
glacial flint
or that .. its to long ago when others were useable or good 😄 or at least good looking LUL
sick sentinel
skada better looking a lot
u can take wotlk version and with some tweaking make it look like details
orchid frigate
do we know if s4 tier will be the same as s3 or anything new?
crude notch
It’ll be the same
orchid frigate
alrighty, maybe its time to level that DK to 60 then
orchid frigate
haha
strong forum
S4 will be the same
Just different dungeons and all 3 raids
It's the mega dungeons from legion bfa and SL
- 2 wod dungeons
orchid frigate
nice with mechagon
viral flume
Agreed
orchid frigate
didnt like that you had to do such careful planning
dawn canyon
Mdt mandatory ass season
viral flume
I think an affix that makes you play very specifically like Prideful did, would be better placed in a later season when you are used to general routes so it forces us to change it up and keep the dungeons fresh
Not so much the first season of a set of dungeons
strong forum
Pretty equal
echo canyon
depends on grp what covenant i should play?
strong forum
Kyrian is easier, necro is more consistent and better on bosses
Necro is also alot tankier
viral flume
In necro we trust
orchid frigate
more fun as well
hmm
did i dream
but is there a vendor somewhere that sells loot boxes from different dungeons?
wise sluice
There is a vendor like that in oribos, or at least I remember one being there, but it sold a box with random items from m0
orchid frigate
im so happy that i get to play necro. even like the covenant itself a lot more than kyrian
even played some necro arms in s2 just for fun 🙂
jagged pier
Mechagon without awakened skips
yer but mechanics easy just mass pull everything onto bosses
craggy pilot
damn inspiring week :<
ebon orbit
is there a bug with the nl legendary? just did a whole dungeon where banner didnt get extended at all
chrome falcon
Sometimes swapping covenants break Unity
ebon orbit
yeah that sounds about right, so just need to unequip and equip again after swapping covenant?
strong forum
Ye
inner forge
Plague deviser marileth the best prot warrior soulbind?
timber slate
It is
inner forge
Thanks. On first glance I presumed it was the worst. Oops
mortal brook
is there a bug with the nl legendary? just did a whole dungeon where banner didn...
https://wago.io/IxMhs-_dB this will warn you on readycheck if unity is not working https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/unity-legendary-broken-on-gear-swaps/1233852 <-- relevant post
shit broke last time they fixed an 'equip multiple unity' bug
strong forum
Thanks. On first glance I presumed it was the worst. Oops
Captain holt would never say "oops"
mortal brook
Captain holt would never say "oops"
Except for the hula hoop move the oopsy doodle
But no one will ever believe you
strong forum
inner forge
It's wuntch time
ionic fern
ebon orbit
<https://wago.io/IxMhs-_dB> this will warn you on readycheck if unity is not wor...
bigthank
sick sentinel
Encrypted best affix yet
not a huge fan of i have to attack/taunt the relic to have it stay in place and then whn it spawns again, i have to attack/taunt the thing pops out
- its another dude that can go around fucking the entire group up
sick sentinel
those yellow swirls from urh cause me to take 25% more dmg for 5 seconds?, i mean, shit, now that i understand that
sick sentinel
theres something tied to urh relic that makes you take 25% for 5 seconds anyway
deconstruct
sick sentinel
thats not the same as the swirl, so its a melee or something? that probably explains why im doing fine and then randomly die when urh shows up
craggy pilot
thats not the same as the swirl, so its a melee or something? that probably expl...
i never had any issue with Uhr honestly
sick sentinel
i wasn't fully aware he also made me take more damage somehow, so i can at least try to correct that now
mortal brook
Deconstruct is also a fervent strike, which can be fun
sick sentinel
i have a vague idea of what those are like how gorechop does some hateful strike hits a second melee i think
craggy pilot
rly? on wowhead it says "targets highest threat target"
jagged pier
'in range'
jagged pier
i mean its not notice able tbh
mortal brook
There are a handful of abilities that will just strike the nearest Target if their highest Target isn't in range. Haymaker in gambit, deconstruct from urh, notable one was ataldazars' fervent strike. So we just call em all that
jagged pier
also 25% more melee damage means nothing
mortal brook
Just block it
strong forum
Legit didn't even know it did anything besides "yeah okay it does a cast on the tank"
strong forum
The stun, sure just walk out of it
mortal brook
Haymaker will fuck up a dps tho, especially if theyre raged
strong forum
On ultra keys it fucks up vdh and dks aswell
And pally I guess if they don't block
sick sentinel
ive frequently noticed pul pull when urh comes with a boss till he dies gives me a bit of hell
could just never nail the problem down
vy,, seems to do literal nothing besides shoot a short range line of stars on ground that hurt you
strong forum
Vy shoots targets at random
And that line
Dangerous on high keys cuz she can just outright kill your group
sick sentinel
lots of groups like to go for vy instead of urh i notice
jagged pier
alot of bad groups
sick sentinel
an infinite ocean of wow pepegas
timber slate
vy is dumb
he teleports really far, thus you lose time by killing it instead of cleaving boss+urh
sick sentinel
sometimes vy nice for a complicated boss on low keys im doin.... don't have to worry about a yellow circle that 1/3rds me
timber slate
the yellow circle is easily dodgeable
also Urh means you can spam SS for 10 seconds
lime urchin
also Urh means you can spam SS for 10 seconds
Oh? Dis true?
timber slate
jagged pier
Oh? Dis true?
yer it has very low cd
craggy pilot
do you just not press TC during Uhr?
strong forum
Well yeah
It's just SS revenge ss revenge SS revenge
Throw in some IPs in there aswell
And Sw
jagged pier
u press TC if u have nothing else to press
and yes if u are pulling a enlightened pack u should just use SW
cause urh gunna be getting it back
lime urchin
uncut notch
By no means the highest ranked here but really proud of this
jagged pier
strong forum
Higher than me!
jagged pier
we doing more keys tonight @strong forum
timber slate
Double tank meta?
sick sentinel
im still bad at keys, but i never give up
strong forum
we doing more keys tonight <@192743144276623360>
🤷♂️ already did 7 keys this week 
jagged pier
🤷♂️ already did 7 keys this week <:keks:936231610850897992>
F
also never invite wtf?
strong forum
also never invite wtf?
It was during peculiar times
jagged pier
uncut notch
First in realm
Big cop in a small town
timber slate
Still first haha
echo egret
So I'm trying to learn this new Necrolord job, can anyone point me where to improve ?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/L3DmhvVNqFtKxB8z/#fight=last
timber slate
Your log doesnt work
timber slate
All i cay say is dont spend outburst on thunderclap
echo egret
ok I know the thoery there - it's a matter of learning to restrain myself
my dmg is miles away from the 12K people seem to report here, that's why I'm wondering
echo egret
That's beyond my control, especially since I pug a lot
dawn canyon
my dmg is miles away from the 12K people seem to report here, that's why I'm won...
Id ignore damage for starters and focus on cleaning up your play damage comes later
echo egret
I'm all ears 🙂
dawn canyon
Im not nearly as good as the yellows but ill check your casts and compare it to what the yellows say is where you wanna be
at least the intervene casts seem low
echo egret
yep, I only use it to escape stuff
dawn canyon
this wil also improve a bit more if you use itervene more
echo egret
through reprisal - got it
dawn canyon
yep
i dont wanna give further advice since i really really dont wanna tell you something wrong
jakey or someone else whos actually good can prolly help more with smaller htings
lofty widget
your casts are way low, utilize reprisal more, so try to always keep charge and intervene on cd, revenge more to get more SS resets and stop using outburst on TC
echo egret
"your casts are way low" and I thought I was spamming haha
lofty widget
these are your casts
and those are mine, in the same dungeon
just to put into perspective
echo egret
you cast less TC than me, but it has a higher uptime - what does it mean ?
(uptime of a buff I know, but TC ?)
lofty widget
yeah, so if another player has a stronger slow it gets overridden
urban portal
you can see it in buffs
echo egret
I knew this - just I don't understand why it doesn't show in the cast report like ignore pain
sick sentinel
good enough for me
spent way too much time in maze on 13 mist and trying to warlock the priest skip i brought and explained
strong forum
This was my cpm for example in streets this week
But I played fucking awful
@echo egret
sick sentinel
313 ss/pm wow thats alotta dmg, actually, new key is a streets and i timed that this week +13, that should be easy
sick sentinel
does it even fucking matter who picks up which intsturment
sick sentinel
the horn looks and is hardest to use, i tend to go for the one that makes you jump and its 3 in a triangle
lime urchin
Slap da bass mon!
sick sentinel
🔺
strong forum
Only thing that kinda matters is for a ranged to pick up the drumset
lime urchin
strong forum
Rest is w/e
sick sentinel
horn i mean the one that you have to line up and it scoots you forwards, i don't do that cuz i will fuck it up
i never pick anythging else, i tried the guitar once that was in
no fuckin clue if i tired any other
median tulip
The same macro that lets you use the Naaru shield on kaal will activate the instruments at My'Za's oasis, FWIW
median tulip
/click ExtraActionButton1
robust rover
This was my cpm for example in streets this week
What was your banner uptime for this run? (Knowing that streets has a lot of RP/dead time)
urban portal
would rather have it as a macro to add more shit into it
strong forum
70.58% according to logs
median tulip
I put it on a macro because I already have a ton of keybinds
strong forum
So on details it's a bit higher
robust rover
Uh yeh, no worries, just a soft 50% for me so I have work to do
strong forum
Macro takes up space on your action bar
Keybind in default Keybind interface doesn't
median tulip
I'm sure I'll cope
strong forum
And the "adding more extra shit to it" is a moot point cuz you never do extra shit with it :sus:
I mean whatever works, works, but I don't see a point to slap it onto an action bar
median tulip
Logitech G910 and G600 FTW
strong forum
Keybind is keybind, for me it's "alt ^" to use it
And for non German keyboard owners(the button to the left of 1 is "^")
median tulip
I never use modifiers; my little finger on my left hand is kinda fucked up, so I can't rely on it
strong forum
Swifty?!
median tulip
?
jagged pier
@oblique garnet imma getting close without over the top pulls
strong forum
<@143839248422928384> imma getting close without over the top pulls
You've already beat him
He did the 15.8k with seismic
median tulip
Swifty has a fucked up pinky aswell
I don't know them; it sucks though. You'll never realise how much you use it until you can't any more
jagged pier
You've already beat him
nah he did like 14.4 or somthing with rep
i did 13.8k in HoA today
that was a suprise
echo egret
I really don't get why the best DPS score on warcraftlogs is only 8.4K
In HoA for example
jagged pier
because it takes in travel time
urban portal
and people dont upload
jagged pier
details is just in combat
urban portal
or hides them
jagged pier
also ppl not logging
urban portal
id bet you 99% of all raids are logged
jagged pier
i literally cant log my pc just shits itself
urban portal
and less than 50% of m+ is logged
strong forum
Depends on keylevel
echo egret
I do not think "people not logging" would explain a 50% difference
strong forum
You gotta check active time
urban portal
if you wanna compare you can look at total damage
strong forum
Not overall
urban portal
its around the same
strong forum
^
echo egret
yeah I'm more towards the travel time
else It would mean that absolutely all top players hide /dont upload their logs
strong forum
Top players usually log
urban portal
like the total damage in logs should be the same
echo egret
exactly
strong forum
It's the middle that doesn't
And ofc lower end
You also gotta sort by dmg + specific key level
If yiu only sort by dmg overall
It's gonna shit out highest, and then sort by dmg
A 26 with 5k dps will be higher ranked than a 25 with 13k dps
oblique garnet
<@143839248422928384> imma getting close without over the top pulls
good job im proud
sick sentinel
<@143839248422928384> imma getting close without over the top pulls
that would be really nice if the dps meter always showed the covenant of player
i did 12 hoa and dps slammed it, 11k and 12k, but i still only did 5.8k, i'm still just failing to get the set up
"group adds so we can kill em fast" all the adds dies, nothing left to do, sadge
deft oar
hey guys whats the best leg dps output (MM+) for an NF prot warry ?
blazing condor
hey guys whats the best leg dps output (MM+) for an NF prot warry ?
Seismic
grave crane
Your covenant Lego plus reprisal or seismic yeah?
sick sentinel
Grouping ads in hoa is fast
well, there was just like huge downtime of boss do nothing after that
oblique garnet
sesimic > reprisal ?
Yes if you never drop combat and pull around seismic
If you do same pulls as with reprisal its probaby better
deft oar
ok thanks
sick sentinel
so, this week seems like free 15's if i just get to it and don't do nothin too dumb
jagged pier
every week is free 15 week
sick sentinel
and you guys are telling me on big pull with all cds like final boss or start of dungeon, you want me to use banner and last stand before going into charge, and ravager when charge in or do i miss a step, demo i'm not sure when
median tulip
You want to have Last Stand up for the Rage gen from your Charge and your first Intervene, so yes
urban portal
Yogi you need to get used to not leaping into a pack
grave crane
what addon do you use for logging?
undone verge
Warcraft logs
sick sentinel
i can't log into warcraft logs because reasons, and didn't set up logging properly to my knowledge, have some logger head thing installed but god only knows if it works and is readable
sick sentinel
well, logger head it pops up with a box and it says "do you want to enable logging for spires of ascension?" y/n
hollow kayak
I think I have a weakaura that automatically turns on logging for all dungeons/raids. I just have to remember to go clear out my logs every once in a while.
sick sentinel
slash click InterfaceOptionsMousePanelLockCursorToScreen is nice macro if you have 2 monitors and you want to be able to browse while playing and switch to locked for key or raid or something intense
1 click mouse locked or off, been on side bar ever since i figured that one out
tame jasper
what addon do you use for logging?
I think is called autolog, but have to check st home
chilly brook
I don't know them; it sucks though. You'll never realise how much you use it unt...
you don't know who swifty is?
yeeesh
man is the OG warrior pvp legend
lost his pinky in a motorcycle crash iirc
wraith hemlock
Eh he was fine
I prefer bajheera
And at least bajh didnt have a scandal blizz level
cinder storm
I miss pilav, I rarely watched his content but there's certain nostalgia not seeing him upload videos anymore
tame jasper
I think is called autolog, but have to check st home
Yes its name is "AutoLog"
chilly brook
And at least bajh didnt have a scandal blizz level
"scandal"
- like I said he was the OG
- it's only a "scandal" if unproven accusations are automatically true
blazing condor
Coming home and hopping on wow and seeing how swifty released a new one shot macro
Back in the day where i did pvp
sick sentinel
"pvp scaling"
chilly brook
Coming home and hopping on wow and seeing how swifty released a new one shot mac...
homie did a lot for the pvp scene tbh
sick sentinel
my favorite was the tank in pvp in 8.3 who loaded himsefl up with 200 corruption and mega TD and 1 shot ppl
echo egret
Recount or Details ?
sick sentinel
details probably, but it doesn't really matter because logs are better than that and videos are even better
wraith hemlock
Well details is helpful for uptime of banner
Since its only combat
And you shouldnt have banner active out of it unless u are like chain pulling and fell off combat for 1 sec
median tulip
man is the OG warrior pvp legend
I don't do wow PvP, so 🤷♂️
dawn canyon
Is good fun sometimes
echo egret
And you shouldnt have banner active out of it unless u are like chain pulling an...
Almost all M+ I know have some frequent running-out-of-combat moments
median tulip
Some have more than others
wraith hemlock
Why would banner uptime out of combat be important thou?
blazing condor
It aint unless you get slowed outside of combat
But i mean having a high banner duration left as you exit combat is nice to carry it over to the next pack
wraith hemlock
Yeah it is
Unless you have high banner duration cuz you popped it 15 secs before enemies died
Which I’ve seen happen often kek
chrome falcon
If I have banner off CD and the next pack is close I’ll pop it 5 seconds before the current pack dies
Doesn’t matter to me I’m all about the uptime baby
median tulip
Even ToP there's a run after each boss to get to the next wing
wraith hemlock
Yeah so what we do is we run war, lock, druid, rogue and mage
And we do the glad guy first. Lock leaves portal down from arena to the middle zone. We jump down, grab lock port, druid uses roar, I leap and start pulling the abominations area
Gotta go fast #zooooooom
median tulip
I always go to the Platforms wing second after Xav
Gorechop last
Lich Lady is the easiest boss to tank, but she tends to really stress the healer
wraith hemlock
Im not sure why but sounds fair
I dont tank higher than 20’s so I just tell the healer to dispell whoever is not the tank
And I pop something
Amz, ams, spell reflect, something
vapid lynx
So I see some prot wars run booming voice and others run best served cold, is there a time when u run one vs the other?
lofty widget
bsc for more overall, BV for more ST and easier banner management
it's a preference
vapid lynx
Ok
Was curious, starting to push into 22s with my prot so just making sure I'm not missing anything
uncut notch
I always go to the Platforms wing second after Xav
Always ghost wing first
If a top is going to fail it’s going to fail there
Save yourself ten minutes and fail it fast
Chop wing is exponentially easier and can be played around, ghost wing is a lot of oneshots
I prefer ghost -> chop -> xav
median tulip
I haven't failed a ToP in months
uncut notch
I haven't failed a ToP in months
I did a forti 22 last week and we got btfo by soulstorm
Forti top is ruthless
median tulip
I've had more problems with Forified HoA than with ToP TBH
uncut notch
I've had more problems with Forified HoA than with ToP TBH
Oh yeah I have an intense dislike for halls forti
I got my 20 and never went back
median tulip
Those Obliterators are vicious, and thrash hurts
sharp dew
Does reprisal memory come from upper reaches and soulforges floors?
median tulip
Just Upper Reaches IIRC
If that's not a currently active wing you can repeatedly reset Twisting Corridors until it gives you Upper Reaches
Layer 3+ regardless
urban portal
I did a forti 22 last week and we got btfo by soulstorm
That’s a healer gap
No comp should melt under soul storm before a 25
median tulip
It's more likely a DPS-not-using-personals gap TBQH
urban portal
Ye
Tbf there’s 2
Tho most personals should be up
Either way it’s not the tanks problem
mortal brook
used all my dps cds on the fun pull, have nothing for the unfun pull
median tulip
When I go on my Enh Shaman I almost always personal the Soulstorm
mortal brook
healer issue
median tulip
The only thing you can do as Tank is to Intervene on someone if you're using the Safeguard conduit
sick sentinel
soul storm if its the TOP trash ability im thinking of
it either deletes the group, or does nothing at all
urban portal
It’s the ghost aoe
median tulip
the big ghost
sick sentinel
he can be a slight problem this week untill you kill the inspired mob because it means the other caster is allowed to free cast forever
median tulip
he can be a slight problem this week untill you kill the inspired mob because it...
Inspiring doesn't stop you from Spell Reflecting
Also Inspiring doesn't prevent the best form of CC/Interrupt, which is to murder the offending mob ASAP
I strongly recommend the application of extreme violence to the problem. Solves all sorts of issues.
sick sentinel
mobs with tank aggro will still just cast crap at whoever randomly though right
median tulip
mobs with tank aggro will still just cast crap at whoever randomly though right
Varies by mob
Some will randomly cast on anyone who is on their threat list (like the bowmen on the way to Xav; they do that), others cast on their threat target
One of the big problems comes about because casters tend to stand off, don't get hit by Revenge and Thunderclap, and if your healer generates enough threat then they will turn on him and nuke him with a tankbuster... which tends to be a OSK
urban portal
Yeah bone spear in inspiring does go crazy
sick sentinel
so, what happened that pull, is the bone spear mustve gone off a bunch of times an put healer into stress
median tulip
This is why good interrupt usage is not optional at high level. Or even medium level.
fickle arrow
Do you all macro certain things together?
median tulip
Do you all macro certain things together?
I macro my racial into Avatar
sick sentinel
wait no, i know, i charged the OTHER bone spear guy by accident and wasn't able to interupt, because gamestate had already commited to sending me to him
lofty widget
Do you all macro certain things together?
only charge/intervene
fickle arrow
I macro my racial into Avatar
Smart. Didn’t think about that
fickle arrow
only charge/intervene
Yeah that’s what I have now with mouseover. Just feel like I’m mashing buttons like a mad man… thought there was maybe some trick I was missing 😅
timber slate
But avatar CD is like 20 secondes with AM🤣
Its bad to macro it with a 2minutes racial
Macro it with banner
urban portal
But if you are good you’ll never press banner
You press it once at beginning of dungeon
scenic mural
But avatar CD is like 20 secondes with AM🤣
Its bad to macro it with a 2minutes ...
Makes no difference, youll cast racial on your fifth avatar doesnt matter
Dont mind the math😂 still the same point
timber slate
grave crane
A good point anyway just macro it to an ability you send in cooldown. Like avatar
urban portal
Shield slam
wraith hemlock
Most of my groups have hd issues with the 5 mob path in the gladiators area. The one witha captain, 2 arbalests and 2 melee guys. The 2 arbalests just murder people
grizzled steeple
I've been debating on switching from VDH to ProtW (there's a myriad of reasons which I probably shouldn't go into) and I was wondering if anyone had significant experience with the two classes at large in which to answer my very arbitrary questions. Or would it be better to just apply a wall of text here?
dark lark
I play both, you can dm me your question
Or just drop it here for others to answer too
urban portal
The best part about prot warrior is that you’ll never be baited on living
distant crystal
ask em
urban portal
You’ll know when it’s your time to die
distant crystal
lotta altoholics around
urban portal
Whereas on vdh always have hope that you can heal through
grizzled steeple
I mean...VDH feels like a lot of "whoops, I died"
going from 100-0
I was thinking about ProtW vs VDH in a general perspective vs how they're working on their current borrowed power.
Example, VDH is more kiting/squishy extremely high speed but low raw mitigation with long range both in damage and control, IE: Sigils and 12 second leap.
Warrior usually has more damge and pressure with lower control level and shorter range, IE: Shout and Avatar
My primary hesitance is that protW feels REALLY complex compared to VDH. I'm not particularly fond of addons and it feels like you NEED one to properly play protW to maintain 8+ rolling CD's. But as primarily a raider, the utility of rally and raw damage might outweigh the inconvenience of the spec.
Like how much more complex is the rotation of protW compared to VDH, is it worth the tradeoff for the stronger general raid contribution?
Also I switched from bear to VDH and good gravy is it squishy.
wraith hemlock
I dont play vdh but our guild’s tank is a vdh and he is squishy as heck. On my prot war I usually can handle stuff a lot easier with less cds in comparison. I dont think prot war is that complicated rotation wise. It’s basically a “smash revenge and SS, keep TC on cd but never use with the set bonus buff, use IP to dump rage and not overcap” and since we go necro most of the time we keep banner up 100% of the time
Probly the hardest part of prot war is properly using reprisal leggo
grizzled steeple
Mostly looking at block uptime
maintenance
Like i dont feel squishy right NOW. but historically itwas/is a problem and I imagine when borrowed power fades it might happen again
wraith hemlock
Nah
In raid it shouldnt be due to tau t swaps
Taunt*
And there is a chance when borrowed power is gone that heavy repercussions will be the choice again
Also even during prolonged tanking periods, double charge and intervene with reprisal is 12 secs of shield block I think
grizzled steeple
I mean that seems like a lot of maintenance for just baseline defensives (keeping shield block up). A raid fight is about 4 minutes ish? Tanking half the time is.....30-ish button presses to just keep up block. Not including IP and you have a priority damage rotation on top of that. It just feels like a lot comparatively.
wraith hemlock
Charge, sb, intervene, sb, leap+ charge, sb
Dont see how that is 30
The 30ish is to keep banner up
grizzled steeple
over a 2 minute period
6 buttons presses for 30 seconds of SB x4 is 24. So I overestimated including IP in there
I guess I imagined clipping every once in a while as well
I mean don't get me wrong, i'm picking nits 100%. but thats a lot of concious effort to keep 1 buff going
grizzled steeple
I imagine thats part of the problem, is that it feels cruicial
wraith hemlock
Like bdk DRw falling off
grizzled steeple
and its not....fun gameplay?
wraith hemlock
But you have last stand, demo shout, shield wall
grizzled steeple
I'm comparing this to VDH which doesnt have that
wraith hemlock
Even if u fuck up and sb falls you have ways to survive
Hell you could even hardcast fleshcraft
I’ve done it
It is like the fucking worst thing to do in a “maximized damage scenario”
But its a good defensive when it aligns
Im not sure what you consider fun as tanking
grizzled steeple
right, i'm not saying its untenable. Just....not engaging gameplay, and a lot of mental maintenance
I honestly dont know
wraith hemlock
Most tank discords will always try to maximize their damage. Surv is rarely an issue outside mythic raid or really high keys
grizzled steeple
As a bear, I had no thought in my rotation, but I ended up leading raid, and that made it engaging/fun.
I mean is it fun to maintain a buff and try and push damage?
wraith hemlock
Dunno man. Your view of fun is different to my view
grizzled steeple
Truth
wraith hemlock
I love having a super fucking fast paced tank spec
And seeing my necro banner get back from being on CD and still having the buff up with plenty of time left
If you want the benefits of rallying cry and battle shout for ur raid you might be better off with a dps warrior. Not that they are easier but if you die at least it was not a tank who died
If you feel prot war is too much
grizzled steeple
I mean we have an arms warrior who....doesnt want to play his warrior?
but i like fury
and havoc
so its kind of a wash there
wraith hemlock
Well tbf arms/fury dont feel amazing when you get paired with a destro lock pumping twice ur damage with 10 less ilvls lmao
grizzled steeple
but we have a 2 havocs already...so brand isnt an issue
thats outside of the genralities I was looking for though
wraith hemlock
Jeez where you get all these dh’s? We are stuck with a VengDH cuz no one else would go dh and he does not like havoc
grizzled steeple
one of the havocs wants to switch to enh real bad
and i'd play havoc if we had another decent tank, but the only reason i'm tanking in the first place is because they were just so bad I couldnt take it anymore
dull phoenix
Average uptime of conqueror's banner on tank?
wraith hemlock
Above 80% i think?
wraith hemlock
Bad
Well
Raid or m+?
We dont really use seconds. We go by %
In raid with 50% tank uptime you should be able to maintain banner the whole time if using reprisal and booming voice
And in m+ there will be downtime due to time between pulls even if you try to chain pull as much as you can but you can have banner back sooner due to relics
dull phoenix
M+ soz, i was on dungeon. Just asking because im leveling another war just to tank
and be clear of what to do
trim bay
Hey guys, is there a way to view combat time only in wow logs. rather then the entire dugeon.
jagged pier
M+ soz, i was on dungeon. Just asking because im leveling another war just to ta...
In second as long as u can get it do into the minutes long so 100s of seconds
U play well you should only cast banner a few times a dungeon as u carry it from pack to pack
strong forum
Longest singular Banner we've seen was what
9min?
But that was with Bolster during ptr
The longest actual one was I think 5.6min
Aka like 320 seconds
tame jasper
😮
shell shale
I've gotten my banner buff up to a minute remaining on me before
Execute phase first boss of plaugefall with red ooze
grave crane
I thought it capped at like 18 seconds
urban portal
nope
jagged pier
Aka like 320 seconds
Complete feelycraft but i think ive had one longer than that
shell shale
I've definitely had one longer in dos
Meme no leavers key kept up banner from first pull to boss and cleared almost all trash out
As long as last stand with conduit and get a fk ton of rage at starts of banners they go LONG
Anyone have good routes for 25ish key levels. Was curious what anyone else was doing
Because I been struggling a lil bit with my buddies xD
strong forum
Complete feelycraft but i think ive had one longer than that
Could be
On average my banners in keys lasts about 2min
This was my longest I think
shell shale
I been playing with a frost dk so I been usually blasting it with his 2mins anytime I could without it meaning I'd drop my banner for any other pull
cinder storm
the farm is done, I can now rest for a bit
craggy pilot
This was my longest I think
Do you never recast it? To give it to friends 🤔🤔
Sometimes i have 20sec duration left, but recast it anyway
chrome falcon
I only do that if I know I can maintain good duration afterwards
But if there’s a break coming up I just hold it
My uptime is more important than everyone else’s
Fuck them
craggy pilot
I only do that if I know I can maintain good duration afterwards
Isn't that always?
craggy pilot
My uptime is more important than everyone else’s
Lul
craggy pilot
Ah ye true
jagged pier
Its a personal buff the mastery really doesnt matter to anyone anymore
wraith hemlock
Yeah. Think of giving other people mastery as a nice side effect. If it goes to those who can use it nice. If it does not, w/e. But definitely not worth losing uptime on urself just to buff someone else again
If ur banner buff on them lasted as long as urs it would be sick thou
tame jasper
@jagged pier / @strong forum is the JC 262 neck with the harmony buff so strong that so many wear it? I'm wearing 272 carbon of infinite flight atm with and getting thinking if I should switch
jagged pier
I wear the JC neck
Insane amount of haste for ilvl
Dont know which one is the harmony buff but i use the avoidance one
tame jasper
granting primary stat if you collec tit
jagged pier
No that one is shit
The avoidance one is the best
Would i take a 278 taz neck or a 278 hoa neck maybe 🤷
tame jasper
but not a 272, I understand
jagged pier
I wouldnt but neck and rings are all up to your choice
tame jasper
I think I will try it to get a bit more haste back. enchanted/socket versa atm so I'm only at 33% haste, 21% mastery and 23% versa
tame jasper
I understood it the way, that we can get a little less haste this patch to get more versa for high keys
High keys for are atm 23/24, trying to push further
tame jasper
switched back and now iam back at 36 haste, 21 mastery, 20 versa
and changed to the neck, to get the avoidance bonus
an now: BBQ time 😄
thanks jakey
median tulip
wraith hemlock
granting primary stat if you collec tit
Lot of people have that cuz it is the buff it came up with when they bought it
At first I was wondering if it was good or anything but most people I asked they were like “no idea, it had free buff so i bought it”
jagged pier
anima charged winds 278 or 242 phial?
wraith hemlock
and changed to the neck, to get the avoidance bonus
What rings you got? You can also go crafted jc ring if u have a good necklace
Thats what I did since I already had the taz neck
quaint glade
<:sim:353616825847906304>
Jak, could you please show me ur conduits as necro
which ones you poke
jagged pier
the same ones u use as any other cov
quaint glade
like this?
craggy pilot
Yeah. Think of giving other people mastery as a nice side effect. If it goes to ...
it always goes to someone who can use it in M+, usually the only issue is if it goes on healer 🤔
wraith hemlock
I mean... healer means higher hps
Like 2nd banner in stradama usually aligns with 3rd phase
And in tyr week it is nice to have the extra healing for 15 seconds
echo egret
I didn’t know the extra duration buff was only to the warrior, that sucks
scenic mural
The mastery buff is close to irrelevant. 100% uptime on 25% strength sucks?
timber slate
400 mastery kinda boost our dmg , minimal but still
strong forum
the mastery buff FOR THE ALLIES is close to irrelevant
it was never talked about banner mastery for you being useless
scenic mural
Compared to the rest of the ability, i wouldnt say the mastery buff is why we go necro
timber slate
Not many specs benefits from mastery
jagged pier
Compared to the rest of the ability, i wouldnt say the mastery buff is why we go...
no its the perma 22% strength
scenic mural
I know this😂 im talkiing about op that says not extending the group buff “sucks”
strong forum
if it extended the group buff it would be more OP than PI
echo egret
lofty widget
idk man, perma 400 mastery on a healer is kiinda good
and any spec that benefits from mastery tbh
strong forum
bro where is the reading comprehension this saturday
timber slate
Its saturday
Our brain is off
wraith hemlock
In my defense I had to wake up at 4 am to drive 5 hours so my wife could attend her Chinese tea degustation
distant crystal
perma 400 mastery on a healer is kinda bad :p
wraith hemlock
So im in automatic mode atm
wraith hemlock
perma 400 mastery on a healer is kinda bad :p
My fire/arcane mage would murder for 400 perma mastery
distant crystal
yeah cause mastery gives them dmg
timber slate
Mastery gives dmg to everyone
It just scales really bad for most
lofty widget
for healers it's througput, which in some situations is very very good
lofty widget
cause theyre going for dmg, not healing
timber slate
You dont play a healer for dmg though
distant crystal
yeah you do lol
timber slate
distant crystal
meta healers are the ones that do the most dmg
wraith hemlock
Yes
And guess what
Healing people faster = more time to do damage
And its not like they are sacrificing anything for that extra throughput
distant crystal
they're sacrificing 400 mastery on a dps eh
wraith hemlock
I mean I get what you are pointing out but still wrong. We don’t play banner around the group to buff people
So it’s irrelevant wether a dps or a healer got the free 400 mastery
distant crystal
lofty widget
well if that extra throughput helps keep the dps alive i'd say its more worth on the healer
sturdy sable
But again we dont bother trying to actually give the right people the buff so the conversation is kind of moot
strong forum
extremely unlikely scenario
wraith hemlock
I mean I’ve never seen a single prot warrior go in voice “healer, I need you to back off so you dont get mastery buff cuz it is imperative that the dps get it”
strong forum
plka often literally said "oh damn aimer got the mastery"
and told him that hes gonna banner so he told him to back off for a sec
usually on pull on bosses
wraith hemlock
Dunno who that is
civic torrent
I mean I’ve never seen a single prot warrior go in voice “healer, I need you to ...
I do this regularly, it's an important min max especially in current dps meta
strong forum
cuz thats where youre most likely to banner, and like the 1 scenario where you banner for your group
or rebanner
civic torrent
Like as if you wouldn't if you have the opportunity
wraith hemlock
Yeah, but after that is like “yeah fuck it, whoever gets it can say thank you”