yea, i've seen tanks drop during that phase
#protection
odd tree
distant crystal
yeah the beams are actually like a reprieve for the tanks
during walky phase he just lances nonstop cause nothing to cast
sick sentinel
didn't share it yet, but i'm uploading a video of the 13 streets its not in HD yet, plan to post it in log review if its allowed
odd tree
actually last 9/10 keys i've done as fury, been a lazy warrior
median tulip
Lazy is spamming ToP+15 as Protection Warrior
strong forum
yey 13.1k in mists
now if i only didnt fuck up overlapping outbursts as much and pulled more into bosses
sick sentinel
and your like 260?
strong forum
îm 267 now
sick sentinel
oh
strong forum
only 86% banner uptime tho
sick sentinel
i thought last i heard u were 256 ilvl
strong forum
ya i gained like from last weekend to now
timber slate
~250 with 2 pieces still? XD
dawn canyon
strong forum
na this was first time with 4pc
sick sentinel
im pretty sure he was saying he was 256 3pc
strong forum
255 2pc
was it until last week
cuz i didnt play for like 3 weeks and only had 1 log 😄
oblique garnet
your ilvl is the same as mine
sick sentinel
while i have u, this picture
im not sure how you would handle the crafted, i dunno which effects worth buying
strong forum
kek this was r1 log apparently
oblique garnet
Its m+
strong forum
^ya
oblique garnet
The ehrps between seismic and reprisal 
timber slate
Shaman pulling 8k🤔
Carry?
oblique garnet
Was random pug
sweet summit
was the shamans key
strong forum
ya reprisal fucking owns
sweet summit
xd
strong forum
well sure
but its over double of what i needed
but yeh
i gotta try seismic again now with 4pc
maybe it doesnt play as dogshit anymore
oblique garnet
You need to be in constant combat for seismic to be worth
strong forum
and pull omega degen
oblique garnet
yeah
brittle owl
sounds like a good key tbh
strong forum
well yea
brittle owl
strong forum
and banner uptime does indeed get alot easier with 4pc compared to 2pc
ending some bosses with 20sec left
brittle owl
wait prot unironically plays necro this patch
strong forum
yes
strong forum
tierset diff
odd tree
https://i.imgur.com/BLCgQGr.png
i need to dive into some logs, still can't break 10k when i tank
likely banner uptime
definitely need to intervene more
oblique garnet
i need to dive into some logs, still can't break 10k when i tank
Legit just comes down to how you do pulls
I do bunch of sketchy shit usually but it works out
median tulip
It's not easy to get everything right with Necro Protection
And I will say to you: Everyone fucks it up sometime, and anyone who says they don't is a liar
odd tree
i do sketchy shit with my guild groups
odd tree
not worried about me living, more worried about pugs dieing to stupid shit
brittle owl
do enough dam so that you can die comically often
oblique garnet
When every pull is high risk high reward the timer becomes lenient
brittle owl
all gas no brakes baby
oblique garnet
Pretty much
deep steppe
Isn’t that his April Fools video?
brittle owl
shh
robust rover
Tyr week is feeling really easy. I typically run 265 Elegy / 239 Aegis. Any reason not to replace the Aegis with 246 OWS for the week? +20 keys.
strong forum
tyr is always easy on tanks
tropic linden
Well, i started playing in SL, so i don't know about past systems
but the argument that the problem isn't with borrowed power and with how we acquire them
is relly good
urban portal
makes sense to me
if cov swapping was easy in 9.0 no one would bitched
if soul ash was grindable in 9.0 no one would bitched
merry verge
I'm going to marry myself a healer and start a Mythic+ group. Which healer class pairs best with prot warriors in general?
urban portal
what ever is meta rn
sick sentinel
its best if you have healer main that plays more than 1 type of healer
and then you can switch it up based on the key
merry verge
its best if you have healer main that plays more than 1 type of healer
So find myself a masochist. Brilliant, TY! Why didn't I think of this?
sick sentinel
So find myself a masochist. Brilliant, TY! Why didn't I think of this?
i'd say prot warrior kinda masochist
merry verge
i'd say prot warrior kinda masochist
Agreed, but we can take it.
sick sentinel
i just don't have any resources on other toons like rep, i'm not making my 2004 rogue into horde
quaint glade
what a joke
median tulip
I'm going to marry myself a healer and start a Mythic+ group. Which healer clas...
Shaman 'cos then you don't have to search for Lust
median tulip
what a joke
SST tho
quaint glade
already have...
sick sentinel
278 secret might be nice
median tulip
Cloak got Haste
sick sentinel
huge (prolly haste) buff
median tulip
Well congrats on your socket then
sick sentinel
u have iqd and secret 278 both?
quaint glade
u have iqd and secret 278 both?
ya
tropic linden
I'm going to marry myself a healer and start a Mythic+ group. Which healer clas...
Shaman for lust and interupt
sick sentinel
I mean... lol feels bad i guess but
tropic linden
Cause u can pick a broader range of DPS with those 2 slots filled in healer
sick sentinel
Shaman for lust and interupt
paladin for bop loh bless of free is fantastic
tropic linden
But u still need a lust and count on interupts from ur dps
in general, in nothing change with lust users and interupt on healers, if u can choose a fixed healer to run every time
I would choose a shaman
If ur pugging 3 dps
sick sentinel
The way i start a group is a look for the 2 dps first typically and then a healer and fill dps
and then i try to make sure i'm not inviting, 4 warriors to necrotic wake for example, i always try to make sure than i get 1 range and 2 melee, or 2 range and 1 melee, favoring melee for when interupts are required because melee has shorter cd on interupts
tropic linden
Yeah, but imagine this, ur pugging and filled 2 DPS slots, a 3500 IO warlock for some reason want to do ur 15 keys
but u can't invite him because u need a lust
or lack interupts
urban portal
yeah i agree
lust is nice if you are pugging
in 9.2, something like DH/lock/rogue is good enough for 20s
but cant play that cuz no lust
signal lily
how about bring the player not the class
tropic linden
Yeah, but in this case we are talking about the guy's wife that is a healer and want to pick "the best" healer class
and pug the other 3 dps
in this niche cenario, shaman is the best
signal lily
in 9.2, something like DH/lock/rogue is good enough for 20s
I think pretty much anything is good for 20s. I'll leave that here just so everyone here feels bad about themselves for trying to make up their lack of skill and creativity with babbling about meta
https://raider.io/news/359-all-warrior-20-plaguefall-timed-for-charity
tropic linden
Lust fill the void of skill for sure
signal lily
i mean not having 100% haste on mistweaver also feels bad because your gcd is different than ww and brew
signal lily
all energy classes have 1 second gcd
all others have 1.5 base gcd that gets reduced wit haste and i remember something was different about DH but i dont remember what
signal lily
its all energy so druid cat form and monks as well
urban portal
Is that why feral have like 30% downtime
signal lily
But not having lust feels bad
how about not having necro in ToP? Necro is 10% Vers for 10 mins, Lust is 30% haste for 40 secs
urban portal
the thing about haste is that you feel haste
you dont feel having more vers
its just more damage
signal lily
but gamers do like big numbers
urban portal
thats why lust is still a haste buff instead of a 30% damage buff or whatever
1.flavor and 2.haste feels significant
even though some classes could get more than 30% damage from haste and some less
sick sentinel
you guys interested to see +13 streets from last night in log reviews channel? i have it uploaded, has a bit of asmon talking first half but (i already have it unlisted)
urban portal
Yeah sure
tropic linden
you guys interested to see +13 streets from last night in log reviews channel? i...
Why u tell the pary when LS fade?
sick sentinel
Why u tell the pary when LS fade?
Raeli's Spell Announcer, or RSA for short
tropic linden
I know it's a WA, but why? haha
And would be better if u use the WA that shows what u pressed like streamers use
if u want to post vods for review
sick sentinel
thats it's on addon, rsa you can set it to message whenever you use tons of abilities, and when you get or the effect fades
i posted to #449510248579858432, it has some asmongold bitching about addons, but it ends by music boss
tropic linden
I know, i'm watching ur video
tauren is the best horde race for war
looks really cool
sick sentinel
thats the meta anyways guy, don't want to play a gnome monk and tank on it
blazing condor
why dont you have enemy nameplates
tropic linden
thats the meta anyways guy, don't want to play a gnome monk and tank on it
I rlly don't care about metas in race
Only like big dudes
sick sentinel
thats because platers and i can download a profile for that, sorts by if i need to taunt, and purple if its a guy we need to keep interupted
tropic linden
as warrior
It's so weird watching urself play, when I record myself i can spot a ton of mistakes that come from tunnel vision
Why there is 3 bars on the quaking addon if it always reset on the first one?
@sick sentinel do u have the actual log for this run?
it's better to search for pain points at logs and then look at the video
sick sentinel
im not sure off the top of my head (log)
tropic linden
Like, search at the log were ur wasting rage and then look at the vod to see what happened
for example
dawn canyon
I watched the first 5 minutes and u didnt intervene yet
torpid saffron
What covenant do we now run ? I saw lots of guys switched to Necro, but is Necro only good in coordinated groups ?
timber slate
Not using enemy templates👀
torpid saffron
Kyrian for pugging/Necro for coordinated groups ?
jagged pier
its always necro
blazing condor
you could make a case that you can run Kleia on necrotic weeks but it really isn't a problem
jagged pier
kleia is not and has never been needed for necrotic weeks
sick sentinel
i started to do a bit more intervenes as the dungeon went on, didn't use CD's in the market place to kill things
torpid saffron
I wasn't able to maintain Necro banner higher uptime than 35-40%
jagged pier
then u are playing drastically wrong
sick sentinel
im not sure why, but we rolled with it
jagged pier
why u loose all stacks wehn comabt drops tbj u lost stack during spiteful
sick sentinel
that involves combat ending by we kill them
torpid saffron
Yeah, well things went crazier than i expected them to
sick sentinel
and last week was ghoststs
torpid saffron
I had to acomodate with running Necro
Also, what would be a good overall dps for Necro Prot warr in 15-20 keys ?
Not good, but maybe decent
jagged pier
decent is 10-11k
torpid saffron
Oh, so i'm still behind with 9.5
sick sentinel
chase whatever number the dps number is doing and if you can beat them and lightly make fun of them for not being able to do as much dps as u
ocean yoke
itll vary a bit as well depending on dungeon and how you pull everything
torpid saffron
We run Booming Voice as Necro, right ?
Devastator/Double Time/Booming Voice/Crackling Thunder/Indomitable/Ravager/Anger Management
sick sentinel
BV is easier to maintain banner, BSC is for revenje dps
jagged pier
preference
sick sentinel
the one you need, if you have high up time on banner, bsv
jagged pier
i run BV
torpid saffron
Oh, my bad
torpid saffron
This run that i had 9.5k i had 49% uptime on Banner
torpid saffron
Decent or still bad ?
torpid saffron
Gotta use Demo shout more often
jagged pier
if u can and u pull big enough u will get more out of BSC
it should be used on CD basically anyway
regardless
of talent or not
timber slate
I use punish in keys👀
jagged pier
oh shit there i am
blazing condor
oh so that was what the recording was for
sick sentinel
yeah cuz with devestator im now free of thinking about ever casting devastate button a single time in all of shadowlands
ocean yoke
where my fellow enlightened leaper users at?
sick sentinel
impending victory, build lots of crit, use indelible victory, crit every impending, more healing through indelible
crude notch
Hey I’m in that vid!
tropic linden
@sick sentinel u need to better ur movement, taking a lot of avoidable dmg
u took 4 consecutive hits from beams at first boss
U can use the chase animation to run and charge back, don't need to go hit the cage, let the dps do this
Ur giving ur back to the boss to walk
And u should move the first boss more often, ur stacking him on top of the spinning blades
toxic pewter
is anyone running best served cold with 4pc
strong forum
I've not ran a key with it yet no
blazing condor
i did but i didnt really feel a difference
sturdy sable
Its like your most pressed offensive button
toxic pewter
true
sturdy sable
Its not like your buffing thunderclap
toxic pewter
Just how big is the 40 rage loss from shout
Thats why i brought it up I sort of want to run it I feel like it would boost revenge dmg a lot
strong forum
On ST I could still maintain full banner uptime
toxic pewter
Interesting
strong forum
With BSC
toxic pewter
But realisitically uptime will suffer but by how much if anyone had to say
has anyone done the math
sturdy sable
BV is a comfort pick in m+ imo
jagged pier
ive never beatn my BV damage but then again i havent really tried
sturdy sable
I personally run BV but im lazy/i enjoy having a damage amp
toxic pewter
Ya
I just notice many in the top 50 are running BSC
more than I thought I would see
toxic pewter
23 run bsc 27 BV
sturdy sable
Especially with urh
sick sentinel
no, but why wouldn't u want more rage option
toxic pewter
true
sick sentinel
when thats the entire game for us rn
sturdy sable
no, but why wouldn't u want more rage option
If its not a gain you dont need it
toxic pewter
Ya I will try it
median tulip
If you can manage the uptime without it, then BV is superfluous.
toxic pewter
what about bounding stride what you guys think about that row
median tulip
What I will say is that BV is really good at mitigating enforced downtime events that can otherwise fuck up your banner uptime by robbing you of Rage generation; lots of bosses have enforced mechanics that can break your uptime
sick sentinel
i'd say try BSC if you are comfortable with your banner up time and you have a melee in group whom you can intervene to and then revenge immediately after because hes beside mobs
toxic pewter
What I will say is that BV is really good at mitigating enforced downtime events...
Yes that is good point
toxic pewter
i'd say try BSC if you are comfortable with your banner up time and you have a m...
also good point
I know this sounds crazy but what you guys think about bolster
median tulip
what about bounding stride what you guys think about that row
Both Bounding Stride and Crackling Thunder are solid. Entirely up to you; I have run both at different time.
median tulip
Anger Management is a solid lock-in on row 7
sick sentinel
i like bounding because move speed after land
toxic pewter
Anger Management is a solid lock-in on row 7
Ok fair enough
strong forum
the rage generation would be legit
No
toxic pewter
Ok I am sure the math has already been done on that row
median tulip
Remember that you have Urh frequently in keys, so Last Stand recharges faster than advertised anyway
toxic pewter
some still playing HR
strong forum
Yup, inting
toxic pewter
I am going thunderlord bolster like BFA style and only using outbursts on thunderclap
strong forum
You're literally willingly losing banner uptime, aswell as losing fuckloads of Avatar uptime
toxic pewter
that is my new build trying it now
strong forum
By playing HR
wraith hemlock
AM = more avatar uptime = more damage done, less damage taken = extra bug ass SS due to 4set = better war
strong forum
Just to get a few% more block
median tulip
I am going thunderlord bolster like BFA style and only using outbursts on thunde...
Thunderlord sucks
strong forum
In my 17min mists
I casted 31(!) avatars
Imagine dropping that down to fucking 11 avatars
Just to get a bit more block
sick sentinel
SW as well
sick sentinel
40% dr 8 seconds , uhh yes?
strong forum
50%
median tulip
It's hilarious how often you can Shield Wall with AM + Necro + 4pc
sick sentinel
its 50 now? cool
strong forum
Been 50 since SL
sick sentinel
regardless its a don't die button for me if i'm not already dying
strong forum
Vulpera
strong forum
Black and white
wraith hemlock
Dwarf
toxic pewter
everyone post pic of their warrior
sick sentinel
tauren might like HMT for the forwards charge but whatever dude
wraith hemlock
And belf
toxic pewter
tauren might like HMT for the forwards charge but whatever dude
I am leveling HMT and I wont lie the bullrush is fun as hell
median tulip
On Fortified weeks I throw Shield Wall up on the pull; worth it to mitigate the highest damage intake phase of the fight. Especially on know trouble pulls like the opening platform in DOS
median tulip
what race do you guys play
Mag'har
sick sentinel
i will pay like 20 to 50 USD if i can just click a single button and the quests for all alied races are finished and recapped, or vastly sped up.
median tulip
Yes
toxic pewter
wish they would let you pick or use your highest
sick sentinel
i can't be bothered to quest in legion for high mountain
hazy edge
I am leveling HMT and I wont lie the bullrush is fun as hell
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmilingNaivePlumRuleFive-kCN5gdsK9L0vxeJQ
Just don't hit it instead of charge lol
strong forum
Bullrush is just holding W
median tulip
I still don't have the horde elf allied race unlocked
strong forum
But stun stuff while going forward
toxic pewter
https://clips.twitch.tv/SmilingNaivePlumRuleFive-kCN5gdsK9L0vxeJQ
Just don't hit...
LOL
strong forum
But you can't choose when to stop
median tulip
Race really doesn't matter in the slightest
I macro'd the mag'har active into Avatar and called it job done, NGL
toxic pewter
oh smart
sick sentinel
only 2 thins that do matter in wow, race and class
median tulip
I picked Mag'har because A: Heritage Armour transmog is cool, and B: I wanted to skip the first 10 levels on grind
toxic pewter
Fair enough they do look bad ass
sick sentinel
i never played one at max level but thats the other race i wanted to go
median tulip
toxic pewter
bad ass
sick sentinel
they have a really strong little self buff, gives crit/haste/versa/mastery 125 haste on a boosted shammy, where do i sign
median tulip
they have a really strong little self buff, gives crit/haste/versa/mastery 125 h...
Yeah. That's the thing I macro with Avatar
toxic pewter
median tulip
Oh I've got 125 of a Random secondary. And Avatar. How nice.
toxic pewter
Of these three rings should I use the 278?
median tulip
I wouldn't; you're dropping a lot of Haste
sick sentinel
well, equip it for stats and swag replace if and when possible
toxic pewter
Has anyone ever made a stats weight for prot warrior? Like just how much more is haste worth vs the other stats
I realize weights for tank is difficult but anyone have a ballpark
dawn canyon
just most worth
jagged pier
u take the rings with the most haste
dawn canyon
simming stat weights is very bad
jagged pier
yes
sick sentinel
yeah don't worry about stats too much, just equip items and hit buttons
jagged pier
once they are 272 they are better than a 278 with no haste
jagged pier
strength over everything
toxic pewter
so just upgrade both rings to 272 and call it a day
sick sentinel
haste is very good until 40% and then its only good
median tulip
Gearing Priority works like this:
Legendary > Tier > Primary Stat > Haste > Everything else
toxic pewter
once they are 272 they are better than a 278 with no haste
even if that 278 has a socket???
sick sentinel
haste > versa > crit/mastery
median tulip
Doesn't make up for the lack of Haste
median tulip
Versa is not more important that crit or Mastery
toxic pewter
😢
median tulip
I have a 278 Stitchflesh Signet; it's great
All your jewelery should have Haste on it (as a main stat; it should be enchanted and gemmed with Haste as well)
sick sentinel
theres that creation catalyst machine in ZM, can you stick it in there and get a haste one instead?
median tulip
No; The Creation Catalyst doesn't work on Jewelery
strong forum
Ngl the crafted ring you can buy is amazing
dawn canyon
plka got his ce so he can wari again 
jagged pier
even if that 278 has a socket???
well as u can socket the rings not it doesnt make a difference
toxic pewter
well as u can socket the rings not it doesnt make a difference
Yeah thats true
jagged pier
Versa is not more important that crit or Mastery
well its more important than mastery
sick sentinel
Ngl the crafted ring you can buy is amazing
i need your opinion on this
or jakey or someone
wraith hemlock
Just use it
sick sentinel
i don't know which effect to buy, but i think since i have this neck i buy a ring now
strong forum
Keep the 262
wraith hemlock
No socket, less haste
jagged pier
the crafted neck with avoidance proc is huge
wraith hemlock
Althou I prefer my crafted with speed. That speed bff feels nice
wraith hemlock
the crafted neck with avoidance proc is huge
Is avoidance buff nice too?
There is mot much info on the extra buffs we can get on those
oblique garnet
most of them dont do much
dawn canyon
the strenght buff is abysmal
low uptime
i have mine with movespeed cuz im a zoomer
toxic pewter
I use the leech one
jagged pier
Is avoidance buff nice too?
the avoidance buff is best by far
timber slate
<:dandy:809705852658253844>
😘
tropic linden
bolster wit hthe conduit
Sadly bolster don't extend the conduit
It still last for the same amount
That's why it's trash
toxic pewter
Yah but can bolster more often
but I agree I am just thinking out loud its prob trash yeah
sick sentinel
competes with AM
urban portal
how can you bolster more often
sick sentinel
nothing else to say
grave crane
It reduced cd by one minute
urban portal
or right
grave crane
But not worth when you can have AM
urban portal
i didnt even know it reduce the cd
toxic pewter
Yeah but the rage generation from Last stand is no joke
urban portal
but yeah last stand is just the worst tank cd in the game
sick sentinel
i do that too, if its last stand and i take bolster, i then call it bolster
toxic pewter
either way I was just thinking outside of the box
urban portal
grave crane
Eh it’s a big heal heal and gives temp health too so it’s not bad
toxic pewter
I would still pick AM obviusly
sick sentinel
am if u have at least 2 set
toxic pewter
bear heal
sick sentinel
if u don't have any set pepega mode activated
grave crane
But being a 3 min cd it is not really great
toxic pewter
ya true
grave crane
Bears have iron fur as mitigation and have to heal through dam we mitigate dam
sick sentinel
i seem to have trouble hitting last stand along side banner and avatar
grave crane
Not counting leggos and shit obviously
urban portal
last stand and ignore pain are both not real spells without borrowed power
chrome falcon
^
wraith hemlock
the avoidance buff is best by far
Time to recraft and give it a try
chrome falcon
LS is easily the worst tank CD
sick sentinel
banner shift 1, avatar shift 2, LS shift 3, SW shift 4
tropic linden
but I agree I am just thinking out loud its prob trash yeah
If u didn't have reprisal, would be really good
tropic linden
But u have reprisal and 4pc, reprisal generates way more rage than 1min earlier LS
thorny stone
LS is easily the worst tank CD
It's a nice dps button
toxic pewter
yeah I was just think bolster for the rage gen from conduit
tropic linden
U press for the rage, not the health
tropic linden
yeah I was just think bolster for the rage gen from conduit
Would not
toxic pewter
but losing AM is no joke
grave crane
It’s kind of just a rage gen heal button
tropic linden
But u have way more avatar with AM
toxic pewter
ya
tropic linden
That is rage +20% dmg
toxic pewter
the losses are too great
tropic linden
And now dmg reduction
toxic pewter
bolster cannot compare
urban portal
rage doesnt do much if you cant feed it into AM
toxic pewter
true
tropic linden
rage doesnt do much if you cant feed it into AM
Also this
tropic linden
LS is easily the worst tank CD
Without the conduit it's really trash
strong forum
Well given outburst
It still does alot
But only like 40% of what it would do with AM
tropic linden
Can't wait to see our talent tree
chrome falcon
LS basically just says “increase banner duration by 30 seconds”
chrome falcon
Which is good because banner fucks but
Pure borrowed power
Just delete the spell or totally rework it into a rage gen CD
toxic pewter
I think if they made LS 2 min CD it would bring warrior into a stronger place
timber slate
Condemn baseline just to troll us
toxic pewter
actually just remove it and call it bolster
make bolster baseline
then warrior would be even better
its a fair buff
what you guys think
urban portal
bolster can definitely be baselined
toxic pewter
Yeah I think that would put us in a strong position
urban portal
what made bolster op in bfa
tropic linden
Yeah I think that would put us in a strong position
We already are in a strong position
toxic pewter
Well even stronger then 😛
tropic linden
Could be better
urban portal
not when our borrowed power is gone next season
so we dont know
blood will be back in the shitter
tropic linden
If i could wish for 1 thing is reprisal baseline for 10.0
Just that
The playstyle is so much fun for me
toxic pewter
Last Stand I view as a vanilla ability its been the same since the start
they remove it and just give us bolster
boom
grave crane
We already are in a strong position
It would be a more public opinion on us being strong. We all know it but everyone else goes ew
tropic linden
We don't want the public opinion on us beeing strong. Every "OP" tank took the nerf hammer pretty hard
toxic pewter
Yeah I watch some streamers do 20s keys and I ask them a lot to give a prot warrior a chance and each of them literally laugh at me
One said 'They literally just fall over'
grave crane
Streamers have an overly high opinion of themselves since they get constant affirmation from viewers
toxic pewter
That is true
tropic linden
That's why they are doing 28 keys
LoL
I mean, if they are pushing for the highest keys, warr is not the best tank
toxic pewter
Right
mighty valley
Almost nothing is gonna be “baseline” in the new system gang
paper mirage
actually just remove it and call it bolster
That would be nice. I love the extra shield block protection. I find it useful when I’m rage starved and out of shield block uses . It definitely smooths things out for me.
mighty valley
Some stuff will be easier to reach than others but like, pretty much all our abilities and passives are gonna be on the tree
toxic pewter
That would be nice. I love the extra shield block protection. I find it useful w...
Yes I have thought long and hard on how to buff prot warrior fairly and I always come back to bolster. Remove talent make it baseline- then add new interesting talent
wraith hemlock
Streamers have an overly high opinion of themselves since they get constant affi...
Lots of streamers also get carried hard
tropic linden
That would be nice. I love the extra shield block protection. I find it useful w...
You should not be rage starved with 4pc
wraith hemlock
They pay more attention to the stream than key
Barely do interrupts
Or mechanics
Just go a dps that pumps damage and requires little attention
If they get a tank that actually requires them to itnerrupt so shadowcore wont kill the tank...
tropic linden
I mean, if i did a key while talking the whole time and reading a chat, i wouldn't play that well also
paper mirage
You should not be rage starved with 4pc
Looking forward to that. I am rarely rage starved but also don’t even have 2pc yet.
toxic pewter
once you get 4pc it is like you are on speed
mighty valley
SB gaps should be really rare with just reprisal
toxic pewter
Do you guys like reprisal
Like do you want to see it in Dragonflight and beyond
I for one am ready for it to end after SL
mighty valley
Anyway if the talent system ships anything like we’ve seen so far it’s gonna be a real big overhaul so it’s not really worth thinking about buffs and nerfs from our current state
strong forum
Don't want reprisal, but I want skill involved in my rotation
jagged pier
One said 'They literally just fall over'
they say its bad because they arent good enough to learn the spec
its as simple as that
strong forum
Charging however is quite clunky and very abrasive against others
tropic linden
Do you guys like reprisal
I really like needing to go out and charge back
Specially in raid bosses
drifting fable
so we are losing borrowed powers in season 4 if i read that correctly?
strong forum
No
jagged pier
eh?
drifting fable
kk thanks
jagged pier
no
strong forum
S4 is just different dungeon gear
drifting fable
saw "next season" was like wat
toxic pewter
yes moving toward talent tree that will be the sole source of power
in dragonflight not season 4
paper mirage
I really like needing to go out and charge back
It feels weird in keys . Trying to get used to it
drifting fable
i didnt play warrior until this patch, not sure what items would be good from the old raids for the new vendors
strong forum
Aegis ows
drifting fable
i assume people will mostly get trinks or shield
strong forum
Ya
All tanks will literally just buy aegis, ows and matrix
Some might pick alars from CN, but that'll be it
Dks will pick gavel ows and matrix/alars probably
tropic linden
Hope they deliver talent tree soon
jagged pier
KEKW
ocean yoke
probably the fate trinket over alars but yeah
jagged pier
9.2.5 not even coming out till q2 next year
strong forum
probably the fate trinket over alars but yeah
Why?
Huh
Alars is just straight up better than fate
Cuz it resets on death
Fate doesn't
jagged pier
u loose aggro with CN tho right?
ocean yoke
i just def remember fragging some teammates with it, didnt even know fate doesnt reset
jagged pier
and u can kill ppl
strong forum
u loose aggro with CN tho right?
No
U can kill people if you literally hug them
The radius of it is tiny
jagged pier
just dont die
strong forum
Not that cheat death trinkets are good
jagged pier
strong forum
But some people will get it
bold mirage
It has some uses when progressing imo but outside of that I do not like those trinkets either
jagged pier
i used them for the first week of prog this tier
cause undergeared
think i proced it once
so stopped
👍
chilly brook
grave crane
I used a 226 aegis till I got soleah and gambit trinkets
dawn canyon
🤏 tiny aegis
grave crane
Never got a heroic aegis
chilly brook
but like 95% of the time I don't need mine
mellow bridge
procc alar on purpose for big aoe dam 
dawn canyon
grave crane
Oh yeah that’s agreeable I don’t use it anymore I just rock soleah and technique
But I used it on sylvanas during her channel attack
chilly brook
sylv is understandable she hit like a truck
grave crane
Yeah sylvanas but hard for sure. But I like technique trinket now. Just good fire and forget
real hedge
what 2 trinkets are we using for m+?
jagged pier
phial and sack
graceful kite
what 2 trinkets are we using for m+?
generally scale, codex, aegis, sack, phial
depends on what you want and how high you go
toxic pewter
I would use sack for sure but never was able to get that either
is codex better than dps trinket you guys think?
sick sentinel
i did some key and the other warrior in key got it and i some how~~ guilt tripped him~~ i mean i talked him into letting him know that if he did not infact the item, he could trade it to me
toxic pewter
Nice I like sack trinket it seems good
what % over your overall dmg does it do if you had to say
phial does like 3-4%
for me
lofty widget
sack for me is like 4-450 dps, phial 3-350, but phial has mainstat so overall it's slightly better
mortal brook
All tanks will literally just buy aegis, ows and matrix
miss me buying items from 3rd boss
then again i sure do want a big Jotun
distant crystal
i'm not sure boomies will buy anything lol
or wait i guess we're not getting new IQDs or changelings
might have to hunt down replacements
uncut notch
Gang do you know how to see external healing received on logs?
Like, who in a raid group received most healing
Details let’s you do it mega easy but can’t see it on logs
ERHPS shows tanks at the top but details had us 5-6th on each of the healers healing done counts
strong forum
Ehrps is what you've been healed by all healers combined
That's literally what it means
chilly brook
ERHPS shows tanks at the top but details had us 5-6th on each of the healers hea...
it's literally ehrps
uncut notch
Ehrps is what you've been healed by all healers combined
I assumed that would be gap between dtps and self heal
Meh, weird
chilly brook
realistically tanks are going to be at the top
uncut notch
I was flicking through the list on details and we were way low
chilly brook
I assumed that would be gap between dtps and self heal
that's kinda what ehrps is
chilly brook
aka what heals have to pick up
grizzled nova
I assumed that would be gap between dtps and self heal
It's probably somewhere in between, especially for a bdk.
They may get hit by heals that actually do heal them, but they could have healed with deathstrike regardless.
and that's going to negatively pad their ehrps
distant crystal
seems like self-overhealing should subtract from ehrps
all the info should be in the log to tell what was gonna kill you without the external heal right
urban portal
Depends on the content
Not to mention for prot warrior you can choose to not mitigate your do more damage
sick sentinel
kinda wish bull was still here to yell at me for playing like shit again
grizzled nova
all the info should be in the log to tell what was gonna kill you without the ex...
Maybe, there's a lot of moving parts to figure out whether you're in a lethal situation at any given time, though. The more time you include exponentially increases the decision points that could affect it, as well as RNG on damage/heal ranges.
I'm just saying that ehrps is a fairly reliable figure for warriors, but for heavy self healing tanks their ehrps is going to include a lot of padding.
urban portal
Well you aren’t going to not heal yourself just because you think the healer is gonna pick it up
For most tanks your optimal damage rotation is your optimal dps rotation
grizzled nova
I'm not saying that, I'm just saying that there exists a non-negligible number where you're gonna get healed because you're missing health but not necessarily pressing death strike this very moment.
distant crystal
waiting 4 edit
grizzled nova
However you would have healed that missing health with the upcoming death strike regardless of whether that heal happened in the interim or not.
distant crystal
and yeah i could see how trying to fudge it w/ overheals is a can of worms
chilly brook
kinda wish bull was still here to yell at me for playing like shit again
Stop being bad
toxic pewter
what is better codex or phial(dps trinket)
dark lark
Gonna be sub tanking on heroic Jailer tonight- For the P1/P2 tank busters, is a single cooldown/external going to be enough for all the hits? Sense's spreadsheet says they're not blockable.
I guess I'll have Wall and SR+Fleshcraft (SR for the P2 Shattering Blast), as well as IP. Booming Voice Demo Shout and Last Stand was going to be used offensively off CD to supplement Banner
waxen orbit
Came back a week ago, gained 300 io and I'm already at world 73 for warrior tanks
Cmon lads
Need to bolster our ranks
sick sentinel
1500io with bunch of low failed keys, 232 on server
grave crane
Came back a week ago, gained 300 io and I'm already at world 73 for warrior tank...
I’m working my way to 3k io sitting at 30 on my realm
timber slate
1500io with bunch of low failed keys, 232 on server
Dont give up
urban portal
Once you hit 2k you can upgrade all your gear w valor
prisma obsidian
anyone know where in raidbots you can specify custom enemies?
cinder nova
I just got a 272 Chains of Dom
Is this thing a simtrap?
it says it's better than my 265 sigil
cinder nova
I mean, it says it's a 154 DPS up over my 265 Sigil
sick sentinel
Reading up on scale on wowhead: "As a tank, this is your best in slot trinket hands down. The on use aoe damage is great for M+ when setting up a big pull, especially for classes that need a moment or two to set up like Guardian Druids."
"Classes that need a moment to set up... like guardian druid" I feel like that statement is prot warrior, lots of confused players about how to start pull
sick sentinel
Sure, but people were talking about keeping up banner on pull
So your both getting aggro, and using cds to do dps and do banner
grizzled nova
Banner immediately before charging
banner, charge, slam, block/revenge -> rotation as normal
pwar is really high apm to run the kit effectively, but it is just a lightswitch
sick sentinel
Some reason I just keep doing the wrong thing and "choosing death" as bull put it
grizzled nova
there's effectively no ramp, you're just immediately doing the thing
sick sentinel
Turn back to mob don't reflect don't hut buttons or lay to win till I'm dying
wraith hemlock
I literally go kn bosses banner > charge > avatar > SB+IP > SS > Rev > smash smash smash
And that SS on pull hts like nuts
mighty valley
just don't hit banner before combat actually starts
grave crane
Yeah I’ve had banner disappear on pull if I pop it right before I charge so now k charge them banner
mighty valley
Usually I want to reposition slightly so I do a taunt and heroic throw then banner and pop literally every button on charge
urban portal
it says it's better than my 265 sigil
Def not a sim trap
Flat damage trinkets are very good on tanks
And it’s not hard to use either
As prot warrior you are bouncing around always
dark lark
Gonna be sub tanking on heroic Jailer tonight- For the P1/P2 tank busters, is a ...
So for anybody wondering, Demo Shout is totally fine for P2 H Jailer's Shattering Blast, that was pretty easy to tank
Very safe and comfy
mighty valley
Yeah I think all the tank fear on H sepulcher bosses just came from early in the patch when people were undergeared and it was dicey
hazy edge
Yeah Jailer is 100x easier now than the first week he was out.
cinder nova
??? People are dying to Blast in H Jail?
Wall + SR > Flesh + SR > Wall + SR > IP + SR
mighty valley
no one was saying they were dying to jailer
dark lark
I had never tanked him and our usual tanks said he trucks so I was a tad worried, but it ended up being fine
hasty heath
scale of 1 to 10..how shit is this trinket? [Pocket Protoforge] just got it last night
jagged pier
0
blazing condor
not on the scale jakey, try again
jagged pier
0
blazing condor
jagged pier
i mean it was already worse than scale before realise
then got nerfed
so its even worse
🤷
its not even worth being on the a scale
lime urchin
Malganis trinket is maybe friends with bladedancer?
lime urchin
Cool!
timber slate
Also since when do demons summon bugs?🤔
sick sentinel
imagine having a trinket that slows you
You can still charge and intervene and I think leap with the stone gargoyle heart
I got that piece of shit once
median tulip
It's still terrible
sick sentinel
I know it's terrible I wasn't denying or arguing that
vocal geode
timber slate
strong forum
Also since when do demons summon bugs?🤔
cuz they stinky
old nacelle
hallo Guys! Can we able to block Crumbling Slam (first boss Hoa) with Shield Block? couse Gtfo addon still make alert sound?? Tanks!
strong forum
you can block the slam
but the ground effect you obv have to move out of afterwards
jagged pier
i mean u can stack it tbh it does no damage
timber slate
Spell reflect the laser
old nacelle
tanks!
sick sentinel
Since we’re tanks👀
over 30,000 world of tanks battles on xbox here
sick sentinel
https://tenor.com/view/dog-tank-pup-puppy-cute-gif-16932615
also, no, i'm shit at that game as well, and i know what angling and sidescrapping is, but like blocking and reflecting in wow, i can just never seem to do it reliably
onyx dust
im looking for a WA that dings/beeps/makes a sound when sheild block is about to expire. any1 seen one?
hasty heath
not on the scale jakey, try again
Lol thanks
teal swift
im looking for a WA that dings/beeps/makes a sound when sheild block is about to...
Easy to make
Just make it yourself
0 coding needed
timber slate
Or go on Wago, and type shield block
tropic linden
but the ground effect you obv have to move out of afterwards
Can we SR to deflect the pool dmg?
I know u can at second boss
hazy edge
First boss pools are phys damage
lime urchin
It hardly hurts you too so
tropic linden
Thanks, gonna start stacking them
tropic linden
It hardly hurts you too so
even in tyr?
lime urchin
Well that depends on how high yer key is I suppose
tropic linden
max 17+ atm
lime urchin
Stack em!
sick sentinel
+14 TOP, i just didn't get at it for whatever reason yet
last time i went to TOP was last week and the packs right before golem fight with the abombinations that do the fowards and backwards blind 2 swirlies and theres other adds one that casts crap, that's where i got screwed
wasn't able to easily see where the blind area was about to be, ate like 3 of them > wipe > deplete > complete
timber slate
Golem?
median tulip
Do you mean Gorechop?
stuck rock
Gorechop is technically a meat golem
median tulip
I'm not sure how it's meat when the entire place is the afterlife.
blazing condor
Fellas is it vegan to eat maldraxxi
lime urchin
Soy?
dawn canyon
And is fleshcraft really eating them
sick sentinel
i don't have all the buildings unlocked for necro yet so i don't fully understand how an abombination is formed, related to part of the reason i stopped playing undead mage, abombination kinda scary shit
blazing condor
Tldr stitch shit together and infuse a soul into it
sick sentinel
there is a quest i hav to do that tells me to make another guy at the abombination thingy outside, just too lazy to look up mobs that drop the crafting stuff
more thinking about key
median tulip
QUest chain.
I haven't actually finished that, NGL
Got 80 Renown, didn't care any more
ionic fern
Im still at 55
sick sentinel
i got an achievement for some necro lord quest thing cuz i got some 3 ppl together for to do a quest u have to do a costume and 3 ppl summon the boss
hollow kayak
Recently started playing necrolord. I did a dungeon yesterday and had about 20% banner uptime and I want to improve this. I try to thunder clap and shield slam on cool down, and I'm trying to not rage cap with ignore pain. Sometimes I briefly cap though.
Is it as simple as improving these fundamentals? I appreciate any tips, thank you.
wraith hemlock
Make sure u are using ur tier increased effectivity buff on SS. Never on TC
Charge and intervene with reprisal are your friends
If a fight is about to end and there is no nearby next pull to chain then dont use banner
hollow kayak
Ah does outburst from the set bonus also increase rage gains? I'm guessing that's why I should be using shield slam?
strong forum
yes
hollow kayak
Thanks for the info.
And yeah, I need to get better at using Reprisal too. I definitely don't use that enough.
wraith hemlock
Personally I had to make a WA to track both intervene and charge CD to make aure I had em on cd kinda
hollow kayak
I find using it to intervene is fairly easy for me. Because I just stand there and intervene on a melee DPS.
But I probably need to get better at leaping/walking out and charging back in. You all use stun for that, thunder clap, or some other secret prot warrior technique?
strong forum
shockwave should be enough
charging casters on the side/ when mobs are stationary during a cast
but most importantly is using SS on CD
and TC as close as possible on CD
20% banner uptime seems insanely low
hollow kayak
haha, well I'm glad I posted up to ask questions then 😄
wraith hemlock
Using banner when a group is about to die too
I was using abnner on cd as long as I was in a fight
And my uptime was bad
Cuz sometimes it was about to end the fight so I didnt have it up for the next pull
hollow kayak
80%
oh wow. Lots of improvement to be made then.
so youre making MAJOR mistakes
yeah, I'm not surprised.
strong forum
we could pin point some stuff if you have a log
wraith hemlock
Logs are your friend here
hollow kayak
Sure. Enjoy my super duper scuffed halls from last night /shame
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JzqtK8TbA2Z3RgpV#fight=1&type=summary&source=10
I appreciate the feedback though, it's really helpful.
wraith hemlock
No shame in wanting to improve my friend
strong forum
right off the bat
your TC dmg is WAY too high
youre not using SS even remotely enough
wraith hemlock
your TC dmg is WAY too high
Maybe he was listening to thunderstruck?
jagged pier
your statement about press SS on cd must be incorrect
strong forum
youre literally underusing every single button
except TC
this is what your casts look like
jagged pier
espeically as in a 16 mins mist i did i had 100 less casts of SS than u
strong forum
this is what mine looked like last week
hollow kayak
thunderstruck
\m/
Alright, well that's something I can definitely focus on. Less TC, always SS, more revenge.
strong forum
that was still only with 2pc so the revenge and IP casts should be even higher
my key was 6min shorter, but i used over 90 more shield slams than you
this translates HUGELY into banner uptime, which also affects SS resets through revenge spams and so on
you need to spend rage to gain rage
hollow kayak
ah right. because revenge can give ss resets. Ok, that makes sense
hollow kayak
For spending rage on revenge vs ignore pain, ideally what does that look like?
I'm guessing if there are two charges(?) of ignore pain rolling, put it into revenge?
strong forum
and spending more rage also means more outbursts, more avatars which means more outburst, and more banneruptime which also means more rage gain again
strong forum
For spending rage on revenge vs ignore pain, ideally what does that look like?
I...
use IP exclusively to prevent overcapping rage
mash that button
often i cant dump rage fast enough with IP even
the 1sec CD isnt low enough to prevent rage capping often
this is my opener for example
thats 4 IPs in 10 seconds and 5 revenges
hollow kayak
Are you running last stand for the rage generation with the conduit?
strong forum
you have to
hollow kayak
kk
dawn canyon
With Avatar during charge ye?
strong forum
i used avatar earlier
this was mists
avatar + TC for the jumpers
then rav into the tree pack
this was your opener in hoa
hollow kayak
Will you often use ravager to pull farther away packs? I guess in that specific case you would have walked over to where ravager was, so maybe that's a bit different.
strong forum
ravager has 40yards
so yes
its very good to pull packs
you used avatar and then 2sec of straight up nothing into IP
no charge no TC to get initial threat
then you just sat for another 3sec between TC and your next cast
it appears that you went out to kick a cast but you couldve easily charged a few times there to get more rage
and get around quicker
hollow kayak
yeah, that first pull on halls was definitely all over the place. But I understand your point.
strong forum
you used your first charge almost 3(!)minutes into the key
you didnt charge a single time for 171seconds
this is absolutely not okay
need to work on that
hollow kayak
I'll throw that on the list, thanks. Need to make more use of reprisal
dawn canyon
Charge is my favorite spell
hollow kayak
Well thanks everybody. I'm going to work on this stuff and hopefully I can come back with a fresh log and some marked improvement in the near future.
dawn canyon
Best of luck and have fun protting!
wraith hemlock
Look mate
Reprisal is literally 20 free rage, free revenge (extra damage if using BSC) and the most amazing defensive ability we have shield block
All of that just by using either intervene or charge
hollow kayak
Oh yeah, super good. I guess I just needed somebody to wave it in front of my face. 😆
cedar vapor
Question High NW keys this week where do you use the 2 orbs
hazy edge
I do first double pull in the necropolis, and second on last boss for a shield.
cedar vapor
Okay thats what i did in a 24 NW and we missed time by like 49 seconds n they tried to blame it on the orb use cause i figured that was best
hazy edge
mmmm that wouldn't really be the cause of a deplete
cedar vapor
nah it was the fact that my DH had .2k less dps than me and i had 10.8 n he had 11k lol
just wanted to make sure i was using orb correctly
wraith hemlock
Lmao yeah ur dh was trash
cedar vapor
Coulda took a Blood DK n dbl tanked it n still timed over having him >.>
wraith hemlock
Like hot flaming garbage trash
cedar vapor
Well he was NF n we had no idea n the hunt is dogwater compared to brand so
but either way 11k in a 24 not gunna cut it dunno how that guy was timing other 23-24s
wraith hemlock
Well yeah even with suboptimal covy he should have been able to do more
I’ve had to go venthyr or nf as frost mage and still do over 15k overall
cedar vapor
Oh i see he casted eyebeam 43 times like what
Warcraftlogs people are casting it easily over 100 times a dungeon
toxic pewter
I have decided I have removed Thunder Clap from my buttons
theres no reason to ever press it
I am just a revenge man now
cedar vapor
Youre gaming
toxic pewter
Like why even risk using with an outburst?
ya know?
I realized fuck TC
I will use it on rare occasions
does less dmg than revenge
cedar vapor
just take literally everything off ur bar besides Avatar shield slam banner n revenge who needs it
jagged pier
because u can just use TC on 6-7 stacks and u cant use it on otuburst
and u stillg et the rage from it
light halo
Wait thunderclap isn’t good?
urban portal
You can probably do a 20 without pressing it once
urban portal
its our worst button by far but theres no reason to not press it when you cant press anything else
it doesnt cost anything
timber slate
Thunderclap sound is awesome though
sick sentinel
I removed TC from the game
how do you remove a spell from wc3 from wow
zenith vine
those might save your life
sick sentinel
step 2 and 3, deleted devestator ability and talent, step 4 replace with baseline less effective passive devestator
eternal moth
I blazed through a +15 last night on my ilvl 248 warrior, and it felt like I was doing great
Cracked open the log, I'm still 20% behind you guys on APM, shield slam usage, wasting a bunch of rage, low banner uptime.. hoo boy
odd tree
tyran keys be like that
jagged pier
no they arent