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strong forum
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all of them

urban portal
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a 278 codex heals for less than a 252 RDM

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and does less damage

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on like a 25

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for prot warrior

wraith hemlock
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Wtb OWS mythic

strong forum
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people still run SoD mythic for trinkets

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so yeah...........................................................................................................

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.............................................................................

urban portal
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good luck getting in as a tank if you never progged it

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its easier to scam your way in as a dps

wraith hemlock
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I dont see any groups doing it on my servers

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Guess I’ll have to keep looking

strong forum
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try on reset day

urban portal
wraith hemlock
urban portal
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u need my paypal?

wraith hemlock
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Lol

sick sentinel
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well, its over lol

tropic linden
sick sentinel
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all but like 3 i failed

tropic linden
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It sorts ur item in categories and can stack unstackable items

sick sentinel
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like being able to see the physical empty slots, like it big and 1 thing like that too

tropic linden
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See the physical empty slots

timber slate
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You can sell things to vendors btw😆

sick sentinel
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would be 100$ for 64 slot bags bank is just as bad

timber slate
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Why do you keep all that stuff?

sick sentinel
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lots of it old stock from BFA, tons of old dps potions in there for example

strong forum
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You know youve got a reagents tab in the bank

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Right?

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Where you can automatically slap in all the crafting materials into there

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Instead of filling your actual bank slots

sick sentinel
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it's permanently full

strong forum
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Clean it out then

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You don't need any pre-sl stuff

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All those nzoth assault keys - useless
All those recipes - useless

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Random ass consumables - useless

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Old currencies, random ass keys, maps, mana search thingy from legion - useless

odd tree
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??

sick sentinel
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i saw you at NW summon stone

strong forum
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The only stuff I keep in my bank is memorabilia

sick sentinel
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your name warrior and top one percent guild

odd tree
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Nah, lone's a shortened version of my char name

strong forum
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Specific trinkets, weapons, stuff im proud to have gotten

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Everything else just gets deleted

toxic pewter
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when do you guys think dragonflight alpha will start

lofty widget
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1 month is

strong forum
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After 9.2.5 launched

odd tree
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which isn't saying much with 60% parry, but w.e

minor helm
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I'm actually launching it tomorrow

strong forum
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Noice

sick sentinel
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yogi problems, not lining up cds, standing in stuff,not hitting enough buttons

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causing hell for the group in general

odd tree
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can we bring Bull back for some run analysis?

sick sentinel
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until i delete it, the footage for everything this week exists

urban portal
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where can we find it

sick sentinel
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i didnt upload or edit any of it

strong forum
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Bull is kill

sick sentinel
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we failed that 11 NW i want to say cuz i invited 2 fury warriors, and a warlock, shaman and me

scenic mural
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team comp wont fail an 11

minor helm
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Nah fury can't clear 11s

crystal iris
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Necro is still fine for keys right? I know its go-to for raid

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and kyrian is probably more damage

scenic mural
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necro is better everywhere

sick sentinel
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camera zoomed all the way into character mid pull so i couldn't see shit, couldn't find binding to zoom out in time, necrotic screwed me

lofty widget
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necro is more dmg if played properly

crystal iris
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emeni right?

strong forum
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No

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Marge

lofty widget
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marileth

crystal iris
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sorry i know its in a pin somewhere im just about to jump in

jagged pier
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marge

crystal iris
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oh ya youre right prot conduits in mari

sick sentinel
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did get some 252 conduits for doing those dungeons at least

strange lintel
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Is there a way to get ilvl cap counduits besides doing mythic or keystone hero / gladiator ?

strange lintel
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I miss korthia....

sick sentinel
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not me, i will literally never go to the maw ever again once SL is over

urban portal
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why are you still going to the maw in the first place

sick sentinel
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that quest progression was there from the 25th when i resubed, and i'm still on that same quest same progession of it

urban portal
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just dont do it

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if you are talking about the maw quest

strange lintel
mighty valley
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Why do you have random mushrooms and TBC crafting materials in your bank

sick sentinel
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recipes, are to eventually level up and learn, collect the transmogs

crystal iris
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I’m dont i can’t fkn tank with this class

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Gotta accept it

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Can tank 20s on protpally but can’t tank 15s on warr

crystal iris
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Too much reliance on pugs

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Like I feel bad when I can’t control everything. Second pull of Nw 15 ww leaves. 0x ring of peace

stuck rock
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Necrotic is rough for warr in pugs

lofty widget
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it's really not

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shockwave and take a step back, then charge back in when necrotic is gone

candid path
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second pull of necrotic wake is up there with my least favorites this week

crystal iris
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Can’t in those pulls the soldiers jump

stuck rock
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Yeah but there is always that jumpy guy or a guy that is inmunne to cc

candid path
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third pull of streets probably the goat this week

stuck rock
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Without external help i struggle compared to other tanks

crystal iris
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Yup

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I basically can’t see a single upside to prot warrior over prot paladin

past grove
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Got a log to share?

crystal iris
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Also I’ve only got one interrupt, so I either use my CC to help kick then don’t have it to kite or the opposite

crystal iris
# past grove Got a log to share?

I don’t. I’ve put a lot of time Into prot warr I’ve got 85% blocked melee hits usually it’s just annoying to play and difficult for no reason

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Like sure make it hard to play but give us something in return

lofty widget
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we're incredible tanky if played correctly

stuck rock
shell shale
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war brings battle shout 😄

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bam 1 upside

mighty valley
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rally also one of the best survival CDs in the game

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no utility

wraith hemlock
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that moment when you miss 3 chest for 5 seconds cuz u forgot to pull 1 mob (took like 30 seconds to run back)

sick sentinel
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one of first times i ever ran a key 2 of us at least were using gottagofast, which shows 1hr31m:31s.313ms type thing, and anyways, when we ended the key it literally said like x.999/y.000 game just handed us a win

chrome falcon
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pretty funny that we still call it "3 chest"

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when getting multiple chests was only a thing for like 5% of the total lifespan of m+

wraith hemlock
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I mean fire mages still infernal blast the fire blast

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only new mages don't call it that

sick sentinel
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necro mage is amazing i love it

timber slate
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Necro mage is meme

dawn canyon
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necro mage in pvp

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is legit

sick sentinel
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i dunno, mages have tons of shit about if u cast this, that happens

candid mantle
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Do VDHs mitigate more damage than PWars?

edgy cradle
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seismic better go necro or kyrian? big dps prot tell me stuff

chrome falcon
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VDH doesn't mitigate fucking anything outside of meta

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seismic necro is the highest dps

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if played well

timber slate
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Not having reprisal is huge handicap

chrome falcon
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yeah

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but seismic is good for just blasting baby keys

edgy cradle
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im doing 15's so i can blast them

edgy cradle
chrome falcon
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marileth

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emeni sucks

edgy cradle
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oh i tho it was good

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im using mari tho

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i just feel like kyrian is more dmg 😦 not sure why

sick sentinel
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bron

edgy cradle
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ahh makes sense

despite necro being nice for others so ends up with more value

chrome falcon
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it's nothing to do with bron

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necro is more damage when you play optimally

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kyrian obviously feels like more damage because you have an extra spell that hits like a truck

edgy cradle
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i did better overall in lower ones in kyrian thats what i meant, but im here to learn how to do more dmg as prot

timber slate
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Use banner and spend rage

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Easy

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Conduit gives 20-25% str depending on the level

scenic mural
timber slate
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Bron Cena is a joke

tawny maple
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Still boots for Reprisal and helm for Unity? whyisthisgood

sick sentinel
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rep goes in boots im told

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cuz it can only go in legs boots

tawny maple
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Oops I mispoke

odd tree
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Bron cena can be a real chad

edgy cradle
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booming voice vs best served cold?

timber slate
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Bsc more overall dmg
BV for more banner uptime

edgy cradle
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how bv is more banner uptime , im new at necro

timber slate
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The talent gives 40 rage when using booming voice

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And 20% more dmg i think

edgy cradle
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yes

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but how that translate to banner?

timber slate
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The more rage you spend, the more it extends the buff

edgy cradle
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oh i didnt know

timber slate
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The necrolord legendary

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10 rage=0.5 seconds

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And the banner conduit gives 20-25 % str

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Plus kevin’s oozeling 6% dmg for 40 seconds when using banner

edgy cradle
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thanks makes sense

timber slate
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Also the banner looks cool

waxen orbit
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Should still be managing good uptime on banner with BSC in M+

edgy cradle
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thank you!!

quick elk
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pins suggest helm for unity once you get 5 piece? why is this? when tier head has perfect stats? have i missed something? has maths been done that i cant handle? i thought getting gloves from PF and tier helm would be better. with unity 291 on belt.

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Should i just follow the pins

strong forum
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You can get 285 on all tierslots from raid

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Except helmet

quick elk
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ahhhh

strong forum
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Helmet has a huge stat budget

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More stats > better stats

quick elk
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HC raider, forgot to think of Mythic

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thanks

strong forum
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Ya, if youre not gonna get 285s from raid you can slap unity on chest

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Or ring cuz of the free socket + good stats

grizzled nova
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They just uncapped valor so realistically put it wherever you want

strong forum
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Well yes and no

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You do kinda wanna maximise getting the most out of the elevated ilvl from a legendary

grizzled nova
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yeah I guess I'm talking from the perspective of someone not raiding mythic, now that you can degen grind valor for all the gear you want, you can stick a legendary in any of your tier set slots without it mattering all that much

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or any other slot, for that matter

jagged pier
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tbh if i wasnt mythic raiding i would put unity on chest

ionic fern
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I got it on my sick 265 waist.

strong forum
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Same

mortal brook
ionic fern
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My role literally allows me to tell people "i play WoW in theory".

jagged pier
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☝️

strong forum
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Gib orange

jagged pier
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i mean u did write the APL pretty much

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xd

mortal brook
median tulip
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Always makes me think "why is there a druid in here?" TBQH

sick sentinel
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I have a reason for having druid name (bear, yogi) Is it come from my nieghbour always talk to his cat like hey boo boo get me a picnic basket,

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Better name than deathray, which is my battlenet, name isn't even ray

strong forum
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We all like to be a bit Edgy at times

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And all have our dark past

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Some still live in it [Edgy times]

lyric geode
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Hey guys

lyric geode
lyric geode
mortal brook
lyric geode
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Kewk

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I see gingi with 15% avoidance

sick sentinel
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Avoidy boy

lyric geode
sick sentinel
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That's what I named one of the gearsets when corruptions was a thing

tropic linden
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Leech all the way

lyric geode
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Ofc is avoidance much better than leech.

lofty widget
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not on tanks

lyric geode
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What is the case?

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Why tanks isnt goodm

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Good?

tropic linden
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Leech just feels better

lofty widget
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well first of all avoidance only works on aoe dmg

strong forum
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Usually mechanics that are reduced by avoidance aren't dangerous to tanks

lofty widget
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and leech heals you for a % of dmg done

tropic linden
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In M+ u want leech, cause u shouldn't be taking avoidable dmg

lyric geode
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But, I feel like. I am having like 10% avoidance

tropic linden
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In raid avoidance is better cause some fights have aoe dmg the entire fight

lyric geode
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I aim for more.

strong forum
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They're more designed towards punishing dps, leech is more beneficial in an m+ setting because the most dangerous situations for tanks are in large mob count pulls so leech gets more traction

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In Raid setting however avoidance is much better

grizzled nova
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Avoidance is generally not going to save you from a death, so the only relevant question is whether the damage being mitigated by avoidance is giving you more HPS on average than leech.

strong forum
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Simple due to leech not doing a whole lot cuz it's mostly St dmg and a tiny % of St dmg heal is not doing alot

grizzled nova
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And the answer to that is, generally, no.

lyric geode
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For a bdk though, it is much more beneficial to reduce dmg taken.

strong forum
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Yes

mortal brook
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But speed gets you to enemy sooner makes gathering easier and kiting control better. And if it helped you avoid something, it did more than avoidance!

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It is best tertiary

strong forum
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Cuz they're the most likely to get oneshot

lyric geode
lofty widget
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but avoidance wont save you from a big pull where they tend to get one shot? peepostudy

lyric geode
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Guys, the legend has returned and its name is AddictedGambler.

mortal brook
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Sounds horribly situational when they shouldn't be in that situation in the first place anyway

strong forum
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And some attacks are actually reduced by avoidance

strong forum
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Dunno which ones

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But some are

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Shits wonky

lyric geode
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The one of the ToP at the last boss

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The aoe stuff from the third boss butcher

mortal brook
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Rend dot on skolex. For reason

lyric geode
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The vigilant guardian last phase.

mortal brook
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I worry for the tank that is dying on that fight

lyric geode
strong forum
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Instead of surviving I super survived

lyric geode
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O:

mortal brook
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But not enough super surviving that it's changed healers damage opportunity or decision making

lyric geode
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@strong forum you realise who I am?

strong forum
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No fucking idea

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Not in the slighest

lyric geode
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Freebetspins

strong forum
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Ah

ionic fern
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Still no idea.

mortal brook
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That's addictedgambler if I ever saw one

lime urchin
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We have a druiud baer here?!

lyric geode
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The truth to be told. #protection channel was such a calm place. Until I came here.

mortal brook
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:heybear:

lyric geode
sick sentinel
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i'll take avoidance on random pieces of gear as it comes bit more dr WHEN, not if, when i stand in shit

lyric geode
timber slate
tropic linden
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Pretty funny tho

sick sentinel
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why i quit ff14,

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my hair didn't even reach the top of the bar

timber slate
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lalafel Target

sick sentinel
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the day i actually quiti think

median tulip
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I got intensely bored of the Grind through the storyline with stops every 10 levels to force you to play through and expansions worth of story every time

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in FFXIV this is

timber slate
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Storyline is basically a skip simulator

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Spam ESC

median tulip
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It's still a lot of walking from A to B to talk to one guy who sends you back to A

timber slate
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Yeah i know

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😴😴😴

mortal brook
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You guys don't read the story???

sick sentinel
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well, if i wanted to watch a movie or read a book id do just that and not play a video game

timber slate
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Imagine reading every quest dialogue in WoW🤪

sick sentinel
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i don't have to, i reached lvl 60 on vanilla twice had help and did it as paladin first time almost doesn't count but

timber slate
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Click accept, check your map, complete

mortal brook
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I read it all during PTR when there's no rush. Then I Rush once it's live

tropic linden
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Lol, remember when quests didn't mark ur map

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Good time

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U had to read to know where u needed to go and what u needed to kill

timber slate
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It was so hard back then xD

sick sentinel
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nah, in vanilla the quest would be like, forester genja has given you some notes and in your bags is a note item and its 4 pages first page explains the problem hes in, and then the 3 following pages explain vaugely where each item can be found, (one in a swamp protected by ooze, another protected by powerful spirt in graveyard and 3rd is in a dungeon)

timber slate
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Before the forums and addons

sick sentinel
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and so, you'd have to make educated guesses as where it might be

tropic linden
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Needed to have wowhead open all the time

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Kid Iroh was rlly bad at the game

sick sentinel
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you mean thottbot

tropic linden
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Took almost a month to reach lvl 40

sick sentinel
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wtf is a wowhead?

odd tree
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was bout to say, thottbot was the og

tropic linden
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Yeah, maybe was that

mortal brook
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Alakhazam

tropic linden
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just googled the name of the quest

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didn't use a specific site

sick sentinel
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i can recall using thottbot when wowhead didn't exist or was a tiny shit of website

median tulip
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In classic I used to level on exactly one route that I know all the locations for, and never touch any other quests

timber slate
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None existed on release, you had to ask in the chat👀

sick sentinel
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asmon "there was addons in vanilla......"..... yeah...

tropic linden
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Had a random guy help me lvl

sick sentinel
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super duper primitive ones, and they mainly started launching towards end of vanilla, aimed at hard core raiders

tropic linden
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He kept talking about how his father died and he was a terrible son and felt bad

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And i should behave

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It was rlly weird

tropic linden
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But 12yo me didn't know that at the time

odd tree
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don't need those anymore

sick sentinel
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there wasn't tons of addons when wow launched at all, if you played in like first 3 months game launched you'd know this, i can't even remember using addons seriously till tbc

tropic linden
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It's so weird how i'll never experience playing wow for the first time when i was 12

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Now i feel the urge to min max

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and read guides

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and try to improve

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back then i was happy cause i could have a pet with hunter

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rlly experienced with talents, playstyle

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And now the games in general are directed at instanced content

dawn canyon
timber slate
teal mural
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hi, maybee a silly question but I want to know how many rage I produce per second in fight, can Details do that ?

sick sentinel
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i got kicked out of molten core for going as a prot paladin

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in vanilla

timber slate
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lmao why

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they're pretty good tank

sick sentinel
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i mean, i dunno if you've seen how bad i am but imagine that gameplay in 2005

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lag and old computers and everything,

timber slate
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stop putting yourself down

sweet summit
sick sentinel
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i can pick one of these, probably go for chest to change to tier

urban portal
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yeah thats a good idea 👍

teal mural
# sweet summit best way to see is with logs

Ok thank you, but I just want to see it in real time when i am leveling my war prot, im just curious how many rage per second i can generate! Look like details can do that i will give it a look tonight

sweet summit
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oh i doubt you can do that with logs

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it might be possible to make a weak aura to track that, but seems like useless information

teal mural
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yeah i know its more useless than few other things

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if details cant do that i will forget it

timber slate
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IQD in vaultcopium

blazing condor
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It's Quite Dreadful

forest fern
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is sepulchers savior shield garbage, comparing to an equal standard shield?

jagged pier
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not garbage, but not better

forest fern
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ahkay thanks

gritty tartan
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Quick question, why pin says to craft unity at head ? wouldn't be better to craft at chest or legs ? since they all have the same stat budget and tier helm has haste/versa and chest/legs lacks versa

blazing condor
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you can't get helm on 285

dawn canyon
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so if u dont get mythic 285s

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u can safely go for chest

gritty tartan
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thank you

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forgot it about the 285 mythic stuff

boreal rapids
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Does anyone run mythic +20s. Are warriors really that bad as tanks in then or are people just whining because their lazy to learn?

timber slate
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Because people only care about meta

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All tanks are strong

lofty widget
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we're definitely terrible okayge

toxic pewter
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which is better: 275 weapon crit mast vs 265 weapon with haste vers

lofty widget
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275

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more stats>better stats

toxic pewter
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Ok i figured

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just annoying to lose my haste 😦

chrome falcon
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there are some really terrible warriors out there so people get a bad impression

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because if you're bad at warrior you just die

strong forum
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i can confidently say, anybody who complains about pwar is just dogshit at playing it or is literally just yapping after others who say so

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every single person who is currently playing pwar that isnt terrible at the game itself says its incredibly fun to play and underrated

chrome falcon
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yeah pretty much 100% correlation there

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anyone in here who always says we needs buff is just terrible when they finally post logs

strong forum
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people have already done 24s with pwar 2 months ago

spare cobalt
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I mean they did 20s at the beginning of s1 too

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It’s never been bad

dusky canopy
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Pwar slams dude

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So much fun right now, doing 18-20s with seismic

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12k overall on average I know it could be better though

lime urchin
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and make some frens while you slam those keyz!

strong forum
spare cobalt
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It got worse?!?

dusky canopy
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I love when I’m farming vault count and the overalls at the end are looking like 4 dps instead of 3. I always get the “damn warrior sleeper” etc it’s great

dusky canopy
strong forum
rapid flower
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Trying to decide between 278 gloves with leech or just getting another socket slot. Current gloves already 278, but no leech.

dusky canopy
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To the point we’re pugs won’t take you to their 15s because you’re a warrior

chrome falcon
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socket >> leech

grave crane
spare cobalt
dusky canopy
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Leech!!!

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They hate us when we’re leech in

rapid flower
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I'm a fan of leech myself, but haven't found any good info on how effective it is. Suppose if I pick gloves with leech, I can always get sockets in the weeks ahead, but never guaranteed another leech piece. Thanks folks

dusky canopy
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1 leech piece isn’t that effective

rapid flower
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I also have on my bracers currently

dusky canopy
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With the blood shard last season I had 17% leech lmao

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Super lucky procs in gear

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It was doing roughly 20% of my overal healing

lofty widget
dusky canopy
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Word

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Leech gang

rapid flower
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That's not too bad, thanks chimmi.

Also, hope you all had better luck on vaults than I did. Still haven't seen a single scale or codex this entire season, from dungeon or vault haha

dusky canopy
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Still rocking a 239 aegis from last season

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It’s just to good

sick sentinel
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skirmish is go to for chest i think right, thats what i have on now

dawn canyon
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idk i always use stats

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since in my st dps sims stats is very little behind and wins on any aoe

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and im not swapping

lime urchin
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Well, sometimes. Mostly double dps trinkets!

dusky canopy
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It’s just nutty.. uncapped dr for 8 seconds

sick sentinel
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it's a 20% chance of 450 fire damage on auto's and can crit

dusky canopy
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Yogi stats is better AOE as far as I know

lofty widget
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yes, get eternal stats

sick sentinel
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10 more str makes that much of a difference you think

lofty widget
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it's 30 str

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and yes it does make a bigger difference than skirmish

dusky canopy
wraith hemlock
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When looking at CPM do the free IP from set bonus count into it?

lofty widget
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no

opaque hearth
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Would you use Anima Field Emitter or Soleah Secret Technique same ilvl?

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the other choice is a slight ilvl boost cape, already have the AFE.

lofty widget
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probably soleahs just cause it's easier to use, both are kinda meh tho

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what trinkets do you have atm?

opaque hearth
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bloodscale and ive been using the afe with it

lofty widget
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i'd take cape personally

opaque hearth
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hah, thanks, i was also leaning that way.

urban portal
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but it doesnt matter, str gets better once another target comes in

vernal vale
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60 hour work week last week and this week. I have the most disappointing vault possible. Nothing in it.

sick sentinel
boreal rapids
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Awesome. Thanks! I loved prot in the last expansion. So excited to try it again.

patent osprey
lime urchin
#

Neither can love

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😦

strong forum
#

but soleahs has no rng

#

AFE can have god tier line ups, or proc at the worst times

median tulip
#

I hate it when the AFE Procs when you charge

eternal cypress
#

Hey guys, I have a question as a protection tank the second legendary is better in waist or ring?

tropic linden
#

I put mine on chest cause i'm not doing mythic raid

mighty valley
#

Ring is a waste since no main stat

#

Waist is alright, a slot like head is best for big stats + a socket

lyric geode
#

@patent osprey OMFG you are here!

#

Our senpai is here. Teach us master guru.

strong forum
#

otherwise chest if you are 5/5 tier

#

or ring

rapid flower
#

All you m+ folk out there, whats your average SS/revenge cpm during dungeons? Think I'm using revenge way too much

strong forum
#

if you think that

#

probably not

#

11.4k dps in hoa 17

#

with 2pc and reprisal

eternal moth
# strong forum with 2pc and reprisal

Me: "Wow, 70+% uptime on banner, but I can only manage ~40. This guy's a beast. Let's look at his gear, probably a mythic raider"

"Hmm, looks like he's more of a heroic raider. I guess that 4 piece is making a big difference"

"Oh, he has the same gear as me and no four piece.."

strong forum
#

i dont raid anymore

#

ive done 12 keys this patch so im ultra undergeard

sick sentinel
strong forum
#

need to spend rage to get rage

woven lance
#

In higher tyrann keys, is it bad to spell reflect the bomb on dealer xy in DoS because you still get the dot?

strong forum
#

you dont get the dot tho

#

from the bomb

woven lance
strong forum
#

then you didnt reflect it

#

if you reflect the actual bomb going off

#

you dont get the debuff

#

ticks of the shcok debuff consume SR

#

so you probably reflected that instead of bomb

#

tfw 11k dps in mists is already r6 in mists 19 lol

lofty widget
#

with seismic i assume bsc is mandatory?

sturdy sable
#

Nothings mandatory

blazing condor
woven lance
#

Hmm, I just read a bunch more about it and for the group-wide explosive contrivance, just staying on the ground when it goes off gives you the debuff

#

So is it worth it to launch yourself in the air for the group-wide, to avoid getting the stacking dot?

median tulip
#

Ranged DPS in ToP: doesn't stack for the leapy bastards
Also Ranged DPS in ToP: "OMG melee why you no interrupt?"

lofty widget
strong forum
#

I did like 2 keys with seismic and did less dmg than with reprisal

#

Cuz the lack of rage gain is just abysmal

lofty widget
#

yeah, ran a mists and was only 200 dps higher than with rep

#

and obv much lower ST

strong forum
#

Did 9.1k with seismic in necrotic wake

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11.4k with reprisal in hoa

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11k with reprisal in mists

#

Tbf they were meme keys and with 5 tanks, and I still don't have 4pc so I miss rage from that and from getting hit

blazing condor
#

yeah the seismic gain wasnt really that worth it

lofty widget
#

after i spent 20k for a leggo sadge

strong forum
#

I was still running my 235 seismic shoulders with 252 boots

#

That mightve played a role

blazing condor
tropic linden
#

Can always be worse

wet compass
#

So you basically have to play reprisal in keys still yeah?

naive panther
#

Yeah unless you're lusting trash and just spamming revenge, it's hard to pull all that much higher vs reprisal. I have to change trinkets and everything I can think of to edge out a bit more. But big trade offs.

strong forum
#

Reprisal is still the goat yes

#

Seismic can work but you need to really play around it and abuse it as much as you can

naive panther
#

I did a couple seismic keys last night. Was pretty fun. Sometimes not having to charge all the time is nice.

mighty valley
#

reprisal has been fun but i won't miss it when we move on

#

some parts of borrowed power are fine

strong forum
#

I'll miss the rage gain from it

hazy edge
#

I really enjoy reprisal. All the free resources it brings is very nice

mighty valley
#

the output is nice but i think the talent system will be enough of a shakeup that it's not worth speculating where we'll be compared to now

hazy edge
#

That's true about every spec tbh

#

the new talent system is a pretty big shake up

mighty valley
#

yeah, so i'll be fine if the new world doesn't involve pressing charge and intervene on cd

#

assuming that we're functional resource wise in some other way

wooden widget
#

Do you guys use a mouseover for intervenes?

hazy edge
#

I'm just on big copium that the trees will be released soon ish

wooden widget
#

When ur just trying to proc reprisal

strong forum
#

I use mouseover yes

sick sentinel
#

okay, so i can't double stack on 2 cdr runes or 2 haste runes but i can 1 of each, (it resets itself to max duration if i have one and we get that one before it comes up im guessing, and then if you one of each you get 2 buffs

#

and do you ever hold the rune and not attack it until boss comes out like a delayed boss say streets first boss or music boss or menagerie

wet compass
#

I just don't like using all my mobility for rage/block tbh reprisal is very good but that kind of annoys me

coral quartz
#

With Reprisal Leggo is it a different slot now or is it just whatever you dont have as a tier piece

timber slate
#

Boots

vernal vale
#

Gonna try not to miss out on my dungeons this week. Even working 60 hours.

blazing condor
#

108 hours spare

#

thats at least 3 DoS

vernal vale
#

Have to sleep as well. Lol

#

I'm an old man now. At 30 I cannot do what I did at 20 and run on just a few hours of sleep.

#

Plus I don't do a desk job. Physical labor gets taxing.

waxen orbit
#

Valid

#

IRL first big dawg

#

No shame in resting the shield for a minute

timber slate
#

Do small keys, now that you can farm valor👀

waxen orbit
#

^ Actual move

blazing condor
vernal vale
#

I like the idea of small keys to get Valor farmed up and cap out my gear.

#

By small I would say 10s lol.

dawn canyon
#

2s

#

solo boss

#

run and pull whatever

timber slate
#

MDI pull in a +2 to confuse the casuals

vernal vale
#

Lol that would be fun if nothing else.

timber slate
mortal brook
#

yooo intervene is long enough to reset necrotic pog

blazing condor
#

you doing 2 tank keys?

mortal brook
#

i always bring a main tank to my runs

#

is safe

blazing condor
timber slate
#

Now that tanks do as much as dps, it doesnt matterxeos

mortal brook
#

if you dont bring a maintank then this happens which is emBEARassing

timber slate
#

100 stacksZOOMEReyes

blazing condor
#

stacks he also kept for 25 sec

mortal brook
#

no

#

it caps at 99

timber slate
#

Incarn with UFR and necrotic doesnt exist

mortal brook
#

it can get overwhelmed but yeah we love bypassing necrotic reduction

#

but you just bring a handy dandy pwar to intervene the stacks off

#

!

timber slate
#

It removes them?

mortal brook
#

necro is 5s, intervene is 6s

timber slate
#

New meta

mortal brook
#

i dont believe it will catch on

#

but it is certainly within a margin for error

urban portal
#

i mean

#

you can do it with arms already

#

thats something people did in 9.1

#

when arms was actually good in m+

mortal brook
#

oh right they do that uhhh spinny bladey parry thingy

candid path
#

I did a bunch of double prot pally keys with my guild's holy pally during prog

#

Hilariously fun

sage yacht
urban portal
#

arms sucked too much dick in 9.0

#

and necrotic duration was too long

sage yacht
#

arms wasnt good in 9.1 tho

#

for m+

urban portal
#

they were all the hype in the beginning of 9.1

sage yacht
urban portal
#

cuz kyrian spear wb alignment

#

it even got taken for mdi

#

even if its only for TOP

#

but so did prot warrior

sage yacht
#

i dont recall

#

bad memory

urban portal
#

my point is that people did play a shit ton of arms in 9.1 tho

#

in m+

#

scaled off in 9.1.5 after MBG got buffed

sage yacht
#

havent seen a single person playing arms in m+ after 9.0 thats why i was curious

urban portal
#

was it good, i personally dont think so, but ther was def a lot of people playing it in 9.1

#

since it was #1 melee in raid too

sage yacht
#

yea

#

its prolly just cause arms was goaed in raid

silk ether
#

Arms is fine in keys

#

Nothing in keys matters though because warlocks and surv are gods

dusty ice
#

Any patch? Just tried a top and my Leggo was not working, necrolord

silk ether
#

There are some dumb bugs with unity

dusty ice
#

Ye unfortunate 😦 not having banner like all time

mortal brook
#

relevant forum post ^

dusty ice
#

Cool thank you so much 🙂

mortal brook
acoustic rose
#

Hi, I'm kind of in the mood to try out tanking for the first time in many years. I focused on DPS and healing mostly. And I know warrior tanks isn't in the best place right now, but I kinda feel most drawn to them. Will I do ok? Will I be able to push high keys? +22-25?

lofty widget
#

yes

#

warrior is more than fine

sullen quartz
#

will suffer a lil bit to get into groups but warrior aint that bad

acoustic rose
#

Why do people say they are the worst pick at the moment? Bad survivability?

#

What's the main reason they say that?

lofty widget
#

bad perception and clueless ppl

hazy edge
#

^

dusty ice
#

I think we lack a bit on dmg but rest we are ok

lofty widget
#

no our dmg is fine too

#

should pull 12-14k overall as necro 4pc @ 275 ilvl

acoustic rose
#

What do most warrior tanks do wrong? What would you say to a new warrior tank with high goals?

#

Any tips?

lofty widget
#

shield block uptime and rage management

acoustic rose
#

Use Heroic Leap? xD

#

Pull and run right?

#

jk

timber slate
#

Shockwave, step back and charge in

acoustic rose
#

For some extra rage?

lofty widget
#

for reprisal

#

with reprisal you wanna charge and intervene more or less on cd

#

so it's good getting used to charge weaving

graceful kite
#

Pala and monk have dispels in hunter/warlock meta, dh buffs warlock's damage etc

#

But warrior is absolutely fine to play and push until you get veeeryy high

ocean yoke
#

but the youtuber who doesnt hit shield block told me its dogshit

timber slate
#

Dk is😴😴

mighty valley
median tulip
sick sentinel
silk ether
#

Friends, how hard is tanking rygelon heroic

#

Will the double dot murder me

#

Being called in to tank as our guild MT can’t make it

ocean yoke
#

heroic rygelon isnt bad since you taunt swap so often you can charge constantly and get 100% or near blocked hits making the dot much lower

#

dont need to take two stacks of the tank buster if thats what you mean

#

shield wall is enough for the intermission orb explosion easily

mighty valley
#

i haven't found h rygelon rough on me at all really, idk

nocturne sage
#

what 3rd potency is everyone using with marileth?

mighty valley
#

we even ended up having the bdk soak both orbs while i just handle the boss for that phase and it works fine, i'm not in danger

ocean yoke
mighty valley
#

i just got ghost notified

#

what happen

scenic mural
#

I tried to reply to a message but it was the wrong one so I deleted it

#

Was completely different person

old flame
#

another week, another vault

#

thoughts gentlemen? (and ladies/otherkin etc)

distant crystal
#

do more keys!

old flame
#

I had 3 lined up for yesterday but, there was lady aggro

distant crystal
sweet summit
#

kinda looks like a socket angle to me idk

#

cloak if big upgrade i guess

old flame
#

cloak is 265

#

have 278 bracers with a socket

distant crystal
#

xyexa is like

#

vers/mast right

old flame
#

yeah

distant crystal
#

hmm

#

what is catalyst cape for warr

#

any good?

sweet summit
#

i'd feel better taking a socket for an item you won't replace than taking that cloak
but cloak is good also idk catalyst stats for cloak

old flame
#

crit mast

distant crystal
#

ye

#

meh

#

bracers are pretty good catalyst for warr tho

#

high haste low crit

old flame
#

have 278 depraved warden with a socket

sweet summit
#

idk what that is but good for you

old flame
#

haste verse bracers

sweet summit
#

hell yea

old flame
#

so we get the coins for a socket then?

sweet summit
#

cloak or socket, neither are wrong

distant crystal
#

if you think you're gonna be getting a lot of gv slots

#

and/or doing mythic raid

#

socket for sure

sweet summit
#

i'd take socket if you have a good item to use it on

old flame
#

no mythic raid for a while, still working on heroic prog

distant crystal
#

if this is an alt you play casually, maybe cape

old flame
#

main

#

wondering where to put a socket if I get one... hmmm

#

rings?

distant crystal
#

best piece in a socket slot :p

#

head/belt/wrist/ring

sweet summit
#

show gear

old flame
sweet summit
#

ring good

sage yacht
#

ring is probably the smartest right?

sweet summit
#

belt fine

#

ye

sage yacht
#

belt has mastery tho wouldnt you rather wanna farm a belt with haste

#

im not prot main just curious

sweet summit
#

ye

distant crystal
#

yeah i'd do rinng

#

and then ring

#

:p

old flame
#

socket the death god signet or stitch?

distant crystal
#

death first prob

old flame
#

makes sense, then that slot is just 100% doneski

sweet summit
old flame
#

thank you warrior frens

sick sentinel
#

good start to the week

mighty valley
#

Almost +2, you can do 15s no prob

ocean yoke
#

at last a 278 shield from vault peepoHappy

sick sentinel
#

only mail dicey when i tank it too close to purple crap and hunter/rouge start dipping

mellow zinc
#

i have a question about Mueh'zala on Tyrancial M20. Which trinkets do you use to kill the add? The healer will go with me and I usually use IQD up to 19. 19 is a bit close to comfort to kill the add.

urban portal
#

Sometimes you just gotta 2 phase it

mellow zinc
#

ok

vernal vale
#

so many outbursts wasted on thunderclap

#

im so dissapointed in myself

sick sentinel
#

it can be really tough for all 4 groups to reliably kill the totem ghosts solo at high difficulties, even in like 14's which is most i've done tht dungeon on, someone won 't do enough dps and it won't die in time to get totem

vernal vale
dawn canyon
#

Not being able to kill a 14 totem

#

Is kinda garbo

sick sentinel
#

have the person with the brain in group tell you where you need to go next if you do fail it.

vernal vale
#

people don't know to save cds for the totem guys

dawn canyon
#

Fury is fun there cuz u rip everything on pull and have it all on totem again

sick sentinel
#

it takes at least 1 dps CD to kill, so, but im not sure that it was before the first boss or on the first boss, but we had it on the first boss kinda thing, and it kinda worked out, easier to move out of the swirl swords

dawn canyon
vernal vale
dawn canyon
#

Sub has perma dance

#

Dks have 1 mins

#

But ye

#

Hold

sick sentinel
#

small hiccup on when we started the merchant area, it didn't get done real fast, i didn't properly manage the pre boss music boss trash, let parts of it go wild attack ppl
priest and a warlock for range interupt (melee hunter), so gettin some of those pulls bit awakward on pull, but hunter/rogue

vernal vale
dawn canyon
#

gambit is so good man gladge

sick sentinel
#

well, this group actually knew what the fuck quaking was and how to set up for it, so i don' think a single person died to it

vernal vale
sick sentinel
#

normally what i do to help with it is link the quaking bar WA, and then when its less than 5 seconds to quaking i type "Q" in chat, for Quaking

#

they get the picture quick

dawn canyon
#

some small shitter packs

vernal vale
#

true enough

dawn canyon
#

2 frontal guys

#

boss

#

go home

sick sentinel
#

i don't like fighting dragon without someone who can help put the mobs correct spot

dawn canyon
#

oh yeah he gets messy

vernal vale
sick sentinel
#

Tyrannical seems like ez no problem, more fort that is painful

#

More failed keys than I ca even think about cuz somebody face pulled too early group gets domed , wipe release, malding team, alt f4, do it again in 20 ninutes

vernal vale
#

fort tends to have more failed keys because the requirements are just different enough

sick sentinel
#

Alot of random attacks get hugely buffed and 1 pack of solo mobs on fort becomes mythic raid elite trash

dawn canyon
#

tyran is aight unless its some specific bosses

#

sd 1/2

sick sentinel
#

And it's like ahh you died to poison but that mechanic never matters until its +18 fort

dawn canyon
#

NW3/4

#

PF4

vernal vale
#

fortified missed kicks really add up fast

vernal vale
dawn canyon
#

fortified shadowcores

dawn canyon
#

😆

sick sentinel
#

Fortified raging with healer packs and no kicks is literal psychical hell

vernal vale
#

lol

vernal vale
dawn canyon
#

fort hakkar wing kinda sus sometimes

deep steppe
#

question, which shield is better? a 278 M+ shield (The NW one) or the 278 Guardian shield?

vernal vale
#

the big thing is the extra block value off guardian makes it have really good defensive value i believe about 8 levels or something

#

but it lacks secondaries so you lose out on damage

deep steppe
vernal vale
#

so the general consensus is guardian shield for more tankiness and shield with stats for damage so if i rmember correctly stats are better for dungeons and guardian shield for raid bosses

#

though i might have that reversed

#

i believe mattacate has stated that in reality if you have them at same ilvl just flip a coin

#

so its got some level of what you prefer

vernal vale
#

im not raiding anymore so i don't think about it at all

scenic mural
urban portal
#

its only an affix last season

urban portal
keen epoch
#

hey guys, should we consider into de fray for this week on M+?

urban portal
#

no

timber slate
#

« Hey guys its quaking affix, lets all stack up »
Every pugs ever

timber dagger
#

hate inspring as a warrior tank

#

😦

mortal brook
lean arch
#

is prot objectively worse than other tanks in m+ or just underrepresented?

vernal vale
lean arch
#

gotcha

#

people may also just not be down with the playstyle

#

busier than other tanks

vernal vale
charred lagoon
#

So of I am the type of player that goes for 15 at Max (getting KSM if I have the time and Motivation maybe) I am totally fine with Pwar? Just returned to the game and would love to play my old prot warrior because I love the playstyle

fringe folio
#

100% fine , even if you want to go higher

vernal vale
charred lagoon
#

Okay thanks, thats good to hear 😋

west prairie
#

what's the go to cov and soul bind for m+

mighty valley
#

necro, marileth

little marsh
#

what are the 2 best trinkets right now for m+? assuming I can get mythic raid trinkets

#

scale from otherside I guess and...?

tame jasper
#

imo: aegis + scale or codex or fatescriber

blazing condor
#

aegis + rdm/ows/codex/dps trinket

#

depends on how high you do

jagged pier
#

Nah i mean i was doing 20s with phial and sack

oblique garnet
#

Git gud issues if you are dying in m+

#

Sure scale makes it easier to not die

#

But is it absolutely needed? No

blazing condor
#

nah not needed

#

but just what people generally run

thorny stone
#

Sack+phial/ows

median tulip
#

Double Techniques works well for me

#

Hmmm. Tricky vault. Sidegrade 278 Cloak, but it has Haste, or 278 Bracers (upgrade from 265) but without Haste

blazing condor
#

apparently didnt have a vault to open

median tulip
#

Anyone know how much Haste the Creation Catalyst wrists give at 278?

oblique garnet
echo egret
#

As for an offensive trinket, what's the jailer's one (scars) worth ?

strong forum
#

nothiing

echo egret
#

Sadly I never got much better

strong forum
#

its literally a bait trinket

#

dont use it

echo egret
#

Not true, I actually got EQD and Secret technique

strong forum
#

theyre both better

#

than scar

#

scar is literally negative dps

#

and it will also damage you

#

so youre actively squishier when using it

echo egret
#

I read Ticking Sack and Phial are the go-to DPS trinkets ? Now to change loot spec

strong forum
#

sack, phial, sigil, ows, faulty countermeasures (from legion m+)

crimson furnace
#

2nd week back

#

after 7 months break

#

not bad, boys

#

not bad!

blazing condor
#

Ez game

jade temple
#

Thats a fine helmet you got there lucky you!

ionic plank
#

is there a custom apl line to make yourself take damage in a sim?

timber slate
#

guy is doing 15s after a 7 months breakZOOMEReyes

glacial flint
#

(disenchanted 220 ilvl scale from bank )

wooden widget
#

Hey guys how is mastery for prot? I’ve got a heavy mastery set from fury and would like to multispec

lofty widget
glacial flint
lofty widget
#

no it wont, it's just gonna feel pretty terrible to play if your haste is very low

#

like sub 20 %

#

definitely just use your highest ilvl tho, probably prio getting some haste heavy rings/neck

glacial flint
#

yeye guessed @wooden widget is fury main like me and has full mast/haste items like me ^^ but yeah sockets, leech, or mastery on big ilvl >> bis stats for standart keys 😄

#

that at least was my feelings after not playing prot for a year

dusky mica
#

Lazy man’s strat - buy crafted ring, farm gambit for ring and neck.

#

Mists has both 1h and shield.

glacial flint
blazing condor
wooden widget
#

Thanks all

sick sentinel
#

keep the crafted neck i have or this one i got from streets last night?, my guess on what to do here is keep the crafted neck and then purchase a crafted ring to use until get a good ring

sick sentinel
dusky mica
#

They should re-instate the excess block to crit block conversion.

#

No real point shuffling around those items, no.

lyric geode
#

Blizzard are such a clowns

tropic linden
#

Which increase IP

#

It's not terrible, it's not the best

#

You would never lose iLVL to drop mastery

#

And it double down on our strenghts that is reducing blockable damage

#

That we already do fine enough

#

Crit is better for dmg, vers is better for survivability

#

And haste is BiS

sick sentinel
#

SS w/o sack 265 (121 mastery), 3088 dmg , with it equipped, 3177, difference of 89dmg only self AP
dunno what kind of base SS dmg you guys get at like say 275ilvl, but would be nice to know, guessing probably 4k maybe 5k top player (mine was looked at with no buffs at all, just gear equipped)

sick sentinel
#

no buffs including self AP one

timber slate
#

why wouldnt you have Battle shout active?weird

toxic pewter
#

How much dps is good for a +18 if you had to say

timber slate
#

8-10k i guess

blazing condor
#

anything above 10k is fine but youd probably want higher

chrome falcon
#

If you’re doing less than 10k then that’s a problem

timber slate
#

depends on your ilvl though

jagged pier
#

@strong forum did 11.4k yesterday i HoA 17 with 2 pc and at like 250ish i think

dawn canyon
#

50% of jakeys messages are "2 pc and 250ish" gladge

blazing condor
#

100% of nom messages are that

sick sentinel
#

the answer for how much dps you should do is always more unless you all did max dps and hps and still died

#

there is almost never a scenario where doing more dps hurts, your team that is

oblique garnet
#

Im trying my hardest to whip you guys to shape and only @jagged pier is coming close sadge

blazing condor
vernal vale
#

I'm trying to push above 10k dps but I'm stuck around 8-9k average.

#

Trash packs I've gotten as high as 14k then there are some bosses that I get stuck only doing 5k. Stupid plaguefall final boss forcing downtime.

fiery bane
#

I’m right there with ya @vernal vale

amber cliff
#

Hey which trinket would you take out of vault? Simy Consumptive Organ (278), or Intrusive Thoughtcage (272) Im OS tank so ive no clue xD

jagged pier
amber cliff
#

If none are good then ill take tokens

jagged pier
#

Nither are good

amber cliff
#

ok thanks

median tulip
#

Yeah that's definitely a socket vault

dense sundial
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Hello guys ! I'm not sure to be skilled enough to play reprisal as legendary is it still ok to go with shield wall ? Or really I need to train ? thanks !

median tulip
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Solution: Get better

distant crystal
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reprisal is a good bit better in most content

dense sundial
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yes thats what I was thinking about haha

distant crystal
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get yourself a good mouseover intervene/charge macro and just zoom zoom

dense sundial
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ok I really need that maccro I think

sick sentinel
distant crystal
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#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Charge
/cast [@mouseover,noharm,nodead][noharm,nodead] Intervene

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that's what i use

tropic linden
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U can charge/intervene with 1 button

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Remember that u can stun -> run away -> charge
Charge casters

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Just don't charge through mobs

median tulip
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I use 2 buttons because I prefer having the ability to intervene on a targettarget

cedar vapor
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The island in plaguefall before 3rd boss do you taunt the slime or the skele dude. I think its the slime right? so it doesnt pull the entire island

distant crystal
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a separate targettarget intervene bind is nice for a lot of mechanics

cedar vapor
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Thats what i thought thanks @lofty widget

tropic linden
distant crystal
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i hit em with heroic throw 😮

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spires 2nd boss bleed

strong forum
distant crystal
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lot of things that don't actually intervene but lets you put safeguard on em

sick sentinel
median tulip
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Yeah it's Safeguard that's key

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I was using it to save idiot melee DPS that wouldn't run from shades all last week

distant crystal
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i intervened the tank for movement in spires the other day running to the cat pack after first boss

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as fury

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💀

brittle owl
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tank brain melee

distant crystal
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i even realized it and tried to get out of range but too slow kek

sick sentinel
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you cannot save someone unwilling to save themselves

median tulip
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My Intervene macro:

/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead, exists][@mouseovertarget, help, nodead, exists][@focus, help, nodead, exists][target=targettarget, help, nodead, exists][]Intervene
tropic linden
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If u have focus it'll intervene the target of target?

median tulip
distant crystal
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it intervenes a friendly mouseover, else harmful mouseover's target, else focus, else target's target, else target

tropic linden
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That's confusing

median tulip
sick sentinel
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i have to hit something with free revenge to proc free ss reset correct

sick sentinel
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i can't just.... intervene the mage and revenge into the void to reset SS

chrome falcon
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That’s not true

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Revenge doesn’t have to hit to reset SS

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Does it??

urban portal
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someone try it real quick

sick sentinel
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youd imagine so but who really knows

median tulip
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I'm absolutely certain it does

strong forum
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It does have to hit

distant crystal
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it's still 30% right

strong forum
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Ye

chrome falcon
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I guess TC has to hit as well then?

strong forum
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Ya

sick sentinel
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tc is 360 and pretty nice range, so it 99% hits something

prime kernel
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does the flat dmg range on 1h weapon matter for us tbh? just noticed when opening the vault that a 278 mace with haste vers has 170-219, and 278 axe with haste vers aswell which im using rn. is 126-263

lofty widget
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nope, only weapon dps matters

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and thats equal for all equal ilvl weapons

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well, 1 handed weapons in our case

sick sentinel
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if u have more ilvl weapon is always upgrade

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cuz that gives u dmg that u cant easily get from other sources

distant crystal
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this axe will have a lil more dps variance in the short term

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but it'll even out over time

prime kernel
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kk that's what i thought. Was just curious since i never noticed that all 1h weapons with the same ilvl can have different flat dmg range , even with the same weapon speed etc.

odd tree
tropic linden
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Why do u need to intervene as arms?

sick sentinel
odd tree
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extra movement

tropic linden
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oh

ocean yoke
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they can die by the sword>intervene too

distant crystal
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intervene + die by the sword is kinda huge

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tanksaver

odd tree
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that as well

sick sentinel
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whatever that boss is that goes down the path would be good spot to master charge/intervene

distant crystal
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yeah don't intervene your tank there tho lel

odd tree
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halondrus?

median tulip
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When I play DPS I often intervene on low HP casters during mechanics; cuts the damage they take and often gets me to a good position. The meteor in the postroom, the charge on the 1st boss in SD

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But then I'm the rare DPS that tries to play for the team, not my personal parse

sick sentinel
odd tree
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i think he still beams during that? idk, i just mash buttons and tail boss

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only use charge during the knockback

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I only tank m+, fury and arms for raid

distant crystal
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he doesnn't beam, but he lances the tanks hard af