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a 278 codex heals for less than a 252 RDM
and does less damage
on like a 25
for prot warrior
Wtb OWS mythic
people still run SoD mythic for trinkets
so yeah...........................................................................................................
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good luck getting in as a tank if you never progged it
its easier to scam your way in as a dps
try on reset day
I love u
u need my paypal?
Lol
Have u ever tried using a bag addon?
all but like 3 i failed
It sorts ur item in categories and can stack unstackable items
like being able to see the physical empty slots, like it big and 1 thing like that too
U can do that
See the physical empty slots
You can sell things to vendors btw😆
Why do you keep all that stuff?
lots of it old stock from BFA, tons of old dps potions in there for example
You know youve got a reagents tab in the bank
Right?
Where you can automatically slap in all the crafting materials into there
Instead of filling your actual bank slots
it's permanently full
Clean it out then
You don't need any pre-sl stuff
All those nzoth assault keys - useless
All those recipes - useless
Random ass consumables - useless
Old currencies, random ass keys, maps, mana search thingy from legion - useless
??
i saw you at NW summon stone
The only stuff I keep in my bank is memorabilia
your name warrior and top one percent guild
Nah, lone's a shortened version of my char name
Specific trinkets, weapons, stuff im proud to have gotten
Everything else just gets deleted
when do you guys think dragonflight alpha will start
1 month is
After 9.2.5 launched
oof, what's causing you problems this week? i didn't tank many keys this week on the war, but totally ignored the affix on my bdk
which isn't saying much with 60% parry, but w.e
I'm actually launching it tomorrow
Noice
yogi problems, not lining up cds, standing in stuff,not hitting enough buttons
causing hell for the group in general
can we bring Bull back for some run analysis?
until i delete it, the footage for everything this week exists
where can we find it
i didnt upload or edit any of it
Bull is kill
we failed that 11 NW i want to say cuz i invited 2 fury warriors, and a warlock, shaman and me
team comp wont fail an 11
Nah fury can't clear 11s
Necro is still fine for keys right? I know its go-to for raid
and kyrian is probably more damage
necro is better everywhere
camera zoomed all the way into character mid pull so i couldn't see shit, couldn't find binding to zoom out in time, necrotic screwed me
necro is more dmg if played properly
emeni right?
marileth
sorry i know its in a pin somewhere im just about to jump in
marge
oh ya youre right prot conduits in mari
did get some 252 conduits for doing those dungeons at least
Is there a way to get ilvl cap counduits besides doing mythic or keystone hero / gladiator ?
I miss korthia....
THIS IS NOT AN OFFICIAL SOUNDTRACK.
I DO NOT OWN THIS SOUNDTRACK.
All rights go to Mick Gordon. He is the composer.
I do not claim any rights on this music.
not me, i will literally never go to the maw ever again once SL is over
why are you still going to the maw in the first place
that quest progression was there from the 25th when i resubed, and i'm still on that same quest same progession of it
that was great.
Why do you have random mushrooms and TBC crafting materials in your bank
recipes, are to eventually level up and learn, collect the transmogs
I’m dont i can’t fkn tank with this class
Gotta accept it
Can tank 20s on protpally but can’t tank 15s on warr
Too much reliance on pugs
Like I feel bad when I can’t control everything. Second pull of Nw 15 ww leaves. 0x ring of peace
Necrotic is rough for warr in pugs
it's really not
shockwave and take a step back, then charge back in when necrotic is gone
second pull of necrotic wake is up there with my least favorites this week
Can’t in those pulls the soldiers jump
Yeah but there is always that jumpy guy or a guy that is inmunne to cc
third pull of streets probably the goat this week
Without external help i struggle compared to other tanks
Got a log to share?
Also I’ve only got one interrupt, so I either use my CC to help kick then don’t have it to kite or the opposite
I don’t. I’ve put a lot of time Into prot warr I’ve got 85% blocked melee hits usually it’s just annoying to play and difficult for no reason
Like sure make it hard to play but give us something in return
we're incredible tanky if played correctly
You dont play warr for the upsides you play it for the chadness
that moment when you miss 3 chest for 5 seconds cuz u forgot to pull 1 mob (took like 30 seconds to run back)
one of first times i ever ran a key 2 of us at least were using gottagofast, which shows 1hr31m:31s.313ms type thing, and anyways, when we ended the key it literally said like x.999/y.000 game just handed us a win
pretty funny that we still call it "3 chest"
when getting multiple chests was only a thing for like 5% of the total lifespan of m+
I mean fire mages still infernal blast the fire blast
only new mages don't call it that
necro mage is amazing i love it
i dunno, mages have tons of shit about if u cast this, that happens
Do VDHs mitigate more damage than PWars?
seismic better go necro or kyrian? big dps prot tell me stuff
VDH doesn't mitigate fucking anything outside of meta
seismic necro is the highest dps
if played well
Not having reprisal is huge handicap
im doing 15's so i can blast them
emeni ou plague? :p
oh i tho it was good
im using mari tho
i just feel like kyrian is more dmg 😦 not sure why
bron
ahh makes sense
despite necro being nice for others so ends up with more value
it's nothing to do with bron
necro is more damage when you play optimally
kyrian obviously feels like more damage because you have an extra spell that hits like a truck
i did better overall in lower ones in kyrian thats what i meant, but im here to learn how to do more dmg as prot
??? That 1% of your dmg bron does is NUTS
Bron Cena is a joke
Still boots for Reprisal and helm for Unity? 
Oops I mispoke
Bron cena can be a real chad
booming voice vs best served cold?
Bsc more overall dmg
BV for more banner uptime
how bv is more banner uptime , im new at necro
The more rage you spend, the more it extends the buff
oh i didnt know
The necrolord legendary
10 rage=0.5 seconds
And the banner conduit gives 20-25 % str
Plus kevin’s oozeling 6% dmg for 40 seconds when using banner
thanks makes sense
BV raid, BSC dungeons
Should still be managing good uptime on banner with BSC in M+
thank you!!
pins suggest helm for unity once you get 5 piece? why is this? when tier head has perfect stats? have i missed something? has maths been done that i cant handle? i thought getting gloves from PF and tier helm would be better. with unity 291 on belt.
Should i just follow the pins
ahhhh
Ya, if youre not gonna get 285s from raid you can slap unity on chest
Or ring cuz of the free socket + good stats
They just uncapped valor so realistically put it wherever you want
Well yes and no
You do kinda wanna maximise getting the most out of the elevated ilvl from a legendary
yeah I guess I'm talking from the perspective of someone not raiding mythic, now that you can degen grind valor for all the gear you want, you can stick a legendary in any of your tier set slots without it mattering all that much
or any other slot, for that matter
tbh if i wasnt mythic raiding i would put unity on chest
I got it on my sick 265 waist.
Same
"theorycrafter"
My role literally allows me to tell people "i play WoW in theory".
☝️
Gib orange
orange good color
Always makes me think "why is there a druid in here?" TBQH
I have a reason for having druid name (bear, yogi) Is it come from my nieghbour always talk to his cat like hey boo boo get me a picnic basket,
Better name than deathray, which is my battlenet, name isn't even ray
We all like to be a bit Edgy at times
And all have our dark past
Some still live in it [Edgy times]
Hey guys
True true
You play druid? Have your arms were cut off?
Good call not naming yourself after your character. I would never be Steve IRL
Avoidy boy
Its me yogi
That's what I named one of the gearsets when corruptions was a thing
Leech all the way
What is better? Heal for 10% more or reduce your dmg for 10%?
Ofc is avoidance much better than leech.
not on tanks
Leech just feels better
well first of all avoidance only works on aoe dmg
Usually mechanics that are reduced by avoidance aren't dangerous to tanks
and leech heals you for a % of dmg done
True
In M+ u want leech, cause u shouldn't be taking avoidable dmg
But, I feel like. I am having like 10% avoidance
In raid avoidance is better cause some fights have aoe dmg the entire fight
I aim for more.
They're more designed towards punishing dps, leech is more beneficial in an m+ setting because the most dangerous situations for tanks are in large mob count pulls so leech gets more traction
In Raid setting however avoidance is much better
Avoidance is generally not going to save you from a death, so the only relevant question is whether the damage being mitigated by avoidance is giving you more HPS on average than leech.
Simple due to leech not doing a whole lot cuz it's mostly St dmg and a tiny % of St dmg heal is not doing alot
And the answer to that is, generally, no.
For a bdk though, it is much more beneficial to reduce dmg taken.
Yes
But speed gets you to enemy sooner makes gathering easier and kiting control better. And if it helped you avoid something, it did more than avoidance!
It is best tertiary
Cuz they're the most likely to get oneshot
The chad. Speed>>>> Avoidance, Leech
but avoidance wont save you from a big pull where they tend to get one shot? 
Guys, the legend has returned and its name is AddictedGambler.
Sounds horribly situational when they shouldn't be in that situation in the first place anyway
Well no, but leech isn't helping them either
And some attacks are actually reduced by avoidance
:O
Rend dot on skolex. For reason
I worry for the tank that is dying on that fight
Still, avoidance is avoidance
O:
But not enough super surviving that it's changed healers damage opportunity or decision making
@strong forum you realise who I am?
Freebetspins
Ah
Still no idea.
That's addictedgambler if I ever saw one
We have a druiud baer here?!
The truth to be told. #protection channel was such a calm place. Until I came here.
:heybear:
The one and only
i'll take avoidance on random pieces of gear as it comes bit more dr WHEN, not if, when i stand in shit
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Have you ever raided in either Retail or Classic and realised how much of a mess it is and wanted to go back to do some raiding in the alternative option, but the...
At least you will have an excuse that you dont take any dmg

Oh, this is the guy that was tired of wow, did some FF14 videos, they floped, and now he's back to doing wow videos
Pretty funny tho
lalafel 
I got intensely bored of the Grind through the storyline with stops every 10 levels to force you to play through and expansions worth of story every time
in FFXIV this is
It's still a lot of walking from A to B to talk to one guy who sends you back to A
You guys don't read the story???
well, if i wanted to watch a movie or read a book id do just that and not play a video game
Imagine reading every quest dialogue in WoW🤪
i don't have to, i reached lvl 60 on vanilla twice had help and did it as paladin first time almost doesn't count but
Click accept, check your map, complete
I read it all during PTR when there's no rush. Then I Rush once it's live
Lol, remember when quests didn't mark ur map
Good time
U had to read to know where u needed to go and what u needed to kill
It was so hard back then xD
nah, in vanilla the quest would be like, forester genja has given you some notes and in your bags is a note item and its 4 pages first page explains the problem hes in, and then the 3 following pages explain vaugely where each item can be found, (one in a swamp protected by ooze, another protected by powerful spirt in graveyard and 3rd is in a dungeon)
Before the forums and addons
and so, you'd have to make educated guesses as where it might be
you mean thottbot
Took almost a month to reach lvl 40
wtf is a wowhead?
was bout to say, thottbot was the og
Yeah, maybe was that
Alakhazam
i can recall using thottbot when wowhead didn't exist or was a tiny shit of website
In classic I used to level on exactly one route that I know all the locations for, and never touch any other quests
None existed on release, you had to ask in the chat👀
asmon "there was addons in vanilla......"..... yeah...
Had a random guy help me lvl
super duper primitive ones, and they mainly started launching towards end of vanilla, aimed at hard core raiders
He kept talking about how his father died and he was a terrible son and felt bad
And i should behave
It was rlly weird
threat meters
But 12yo me didn't know that at the time
don't need those anymore
there wasn't tons of addons when wow launched at all, if you played in like first 3 months game launched you'd know this, i can't even remember using addons seriously till tbc
It's so weird how i'll never experience playing wow for the first time when i was 12
Now i feel the urge to min max
and read guides
and try to improve
back then i was happy cause i could have a pet with hunter
rlly experienced with talents, playstyle
And now the games in general are directed at instanced content

hi, maybee a silly question but I want to know how many rage I produce per second in fight, can Details do that ?
i mean, i dunno if you've seen how bad i am but imagine that gameplay in 2005
lag and old computers and everything,
stop putting yourself down
best way to see is with logs
yeah thats a good idea 👍
Ok thank you, but I just want to see it in real time when i am leveling my war prot, im just curious how many rage per second i can generate! Look like details can do that i will give it a look tonight
oh i doubt you can do that with logs
it might be possible to make a weak aura to track that, but seems like useless information
yeah i know its more useless than few other things
if details cant do that i will forget it
IQD in vault
is sepulchers savior shield garbage, comparing to an equal standard shield?
not garbage, but not better
ahkay thanks
Quick question, why pin says to craft unity at head ? wouldn't be better to craft at chest or legs ? since they all have the same stat budget and tier helm has haste/versa and chest/legs lacks versa
you can't get helm on 285
Does anyone run mythic +20s. Are warriors really that bad as tanks in then or are people just whining because their lazy to learn?
i mean warriors are timing 28s soooo
we're definitely terrible 
which is better: 275 weapon crit mast vs 265 weapon with haste vers
there are some really terrible warriors out there so people get a bad impression
because if you're bad at warrior you just die
very lazy
i can confidently say, anybody who complains about pwar is just dogshit at playing it or is literally just yapping after others who say so
every single person who is currently playing pwar that isnt terrible at the game itself says its incredibly fun to play and underrated
yeah pretty much 100% correlation there
anyone in here who always says we needs buff is just terrible when they finally post logs
people have already done 24s with pwar 2 months ago
Pwar slams dude
So much fun right now, doing 18-20s with seismic
12k overall on average I know it could be better though
and make some frens while you slam those keyz!
i meant specifically s3 cuz the bandwagoning has been REAL BAD for some reason
It got worse?!?
I love when I’m farming vault count and the overalls at the end are looking like 4 dps instead of 3. I always get the “damn warrior sleeper” etc it’s great
Yeah this is real sad this season
alot worse
Trying to decide between 278 gloves with leech or just getting another socket slot. Current gloves already 278, but no leech.
To the point we’re pugs won’t take you to their 15s because you’re a warrior
socket >> leech
several pugs have gone, huh prot does a lot of damage. so thats good i guess, but getting into keys is still a hassle cause prot warrior is bad apparently
😞
I'm a fan of leech myself, but haven't found any good info on how effective it is. Suppose if I pick gloves with leech, I can always get sockets in the weeks ahead, but never guaranteed another leech piece. Thanks folks
1 leech piece isn’t that effective
I also have on my bracers currently
With the blood shard last season I had 17% leech lmao
Super lucky procs in gear
It was doing roughly 20% of my overal healing
my 4 % leech is roughly 500 hps, so there's that
That's not too bad, thanks chimmi.
Also, hope you all had better luck on vaults than I did. Still haven't seen a single scale or codex this entire season, from dungeon or vault haha
skirmish is go to for chest i think right, thats what i have on now
idk i always use stats
since in my st dps sims stats is very little behind and wins on any aoe
and im not swapping
Still rocking man LFR aegis too!
Well, sometimes. Mostly double dps trinkets!
It’s just nutty.. uncapped dr for 8 seconds
it's a 20% chance of 450 fire damage on auto's and can crit
Yogi stats is better AOE as far as I know
yes, get eternal stats
10 more str makes that much of a difference you think
You pretty much always go with main stat wherever you can because it gains even more value than the number when you consider damage% increases from buffs, procs, etc
When looking at CPM do the free IP from set bonus count into it?
no
Would you use Anima Field Emitter or Soleah Secret Technique same ilvl?
the other choice is a slight ilvl boost cape, already have the AFE.
probably soleahs just cause it's easier to use, both are kinda meh tho
what trinkets do you have atm?
bloodscale and ive been using the afe with it
i'd take cape personally
hah, thanks, i was also leaning that way.
its 10 since eternal skirmish is 20+procs
but it doesnt matter, str gets better once another target comes in
60 hour work week last week and this week. I have the most disappointing vault possible. Nothing in it.
i wish i had AFE again
Awesome. Thanks! I loved prot in the last expansion. So excited to try it again.
socket can be bought ;) leech can't
theyre equal in haste per minute
but soleahs has no rng
AFE can have god tier line ups, or proc at the worst times
I hate it when the AFE Procs when you charge
Hey guys, I have a question as a protection tank the second legendary is better in waist or ring?
I put mine on chest cause i'm not doing mythic raid
Ring is a waste since no main stat
Waist is alright, a slot like head is best for big stats + a socket
helmet if you expect to get 285 tier pieces
otherwise chest if you are 5/5 tier
or ring
All you m+ folk out there, whats your average SS/revenge cpm during dungeons? Think I'm using revenge way too much
Thanks 
Me: "Wow, 70+% uptime on banner, but I can only manage ~40. This guy's a beast. Let's look at his gear, probably a mythic raider"
"Hmm, looks like he's more of a heroic raider. I guess that 4 piece is making a big difference"
"Oh, he has the same gear as me and no four piece.."
260 casts of IP https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L63OO-DyrCg
original sound by @músicos Cínicos 鯉
need to spend rage to get rage
In higher tyrann keys, is it bad to spell reflect the bomb on dealer xy in DoS because you still get the dot?
then you didnt reflect it
if you reflect the actual bomb going off
you dont get the debuff
ticks of the shcok debuff consume SR
so you probably reflected that instead of bomb
tfw 11k dps in mists is already r6 in mists 19 lol
with seismic i assume bsc is mandatory?
Nothings mandatory
Chances are you reflected the debuff
Hmm, I just read a bunch more about it and for the group-wide explosive contrivance, just staying on the ground when it goes off gives you the debuff
So is it worth it to launch yourself in the air for the group-wide, to avoid getting the stacking dot?
Ranged DPS in ToP: doesn't stack for the leapy bastards
Also Ranged DPS in ToP: "OMG melee why you no interrupt?"
you just stay down with reflect for the group explosion
Ngl, I don't recommend seismic
I did like 2 keys with seismic and did less dmg than with reprisal
Cuz the lack of rage gain is just abysmal
Did 9.1k with seismic in necrotic wake
11.4k with reprisal in hoa
11k with reprisal in mists
Tbf they were meme keys and with 5 tanks, and I still don't have 4pc so I miss rage from that and from getting hit
yeah the seismic gain wasnt really that worth it
after i spent 20k for a leggo 
I was still running my 235 seismic shoulders with 252 boots
That mightve played a role

Some ppl paid 60k
Can always be worse
So you basically have to play reprisal in keys still yeah?
Yeah unless you're lusting trash and just spamming revenge, it's hard to pull all that much higher vs reprisal. I have to change trinkets and everything I can think of to edge out a bit more. But big trade offs.
Reprisal is still the goat yes
Seismic can work but you need to really play around it and abuse it as much as you can
I did a couple seismic keys last night. Was pretty fun. Sometimes not having to charge all the time is nice.
reprisal has been fun but i won't miss it when we move on
some parts of borrowed power are fine
I'll miss the rage gain from it
I really enjoy reprisal. All the free resources it brings is very nice
the output is nice but i think the talent system will be enough of a shakeup that it's not worth speculating where we'll be compared to now
yeah, so i'll be fine if the new world doesn't involve pressing charge and intervene on cd
assuming that we're functional resource wise in some other way
Do you guys use a mouseover for intervenes?
I'm just on big
that the trees will be released soon ish
When ur just trying to proc reprisal
I use mouseover yes
okay, so i can't double stack on 2 cdr runes or 2 haste runes but i can 1 of each, (it resets itself to max duration if i have one and we get that one before it comes up im guessing, and then if you one of each you get 2 buffs
and do you ever hold the rune and not attack it until boss comes out like a delayed boss say streets first boss or music boss or menagerie
I just don't like using all my mobility for rage/block tbh reprisal is very good but that kind of annoys me
With Reprisal Leggo is it a different slot now or is it just whatever you dont have as a tier piece
Boots
Banner baseline👀
Gonna try not to miss out on my dungeons this week. Even working 60 hours.
Have to sleep as well. Lol
I'm an old man now. At 30 I cannot do what I did at 20 and run on just a few hours of sleep.
Plus I don't do a desk job. Physical labor gets taxing.
Do small keys, now that you can farm valor👀
^ Actual move

I like the idea of small keys to get Valor farmed up and cap out my gear.
By small I would say 10s lol.
MDI pull in a +2 to confuse the casuals
Lol that would be fun if nothing else.

yooo intervene is long enough to reset necrotic pog
you doing 2 tank keys?

Now that tanks do as much as dps, it doesnt matter
if you dont bring a maintank then this happens which is emBEARassing
100 stacks
Incarn with UFR and necrotic doesnt exist
it can get overwhelmed but yeah we love bypassing necrotic reduction
but you just bring a handy dandy pwar to intervene the stacks off
!
It removes them?
i mean
you can do it with arms already
thats something people did in 9.1
when arms was actually good in m+
oh right they do that uhhh spinny bladey parry thingy
I did a bunch of double prot pally keys with my guild's holy pally during prog
Hilariously fun
you mean 9.0?
they were all the hype in the beginning of 9.1

cuz kyrian spear wb alignment
it even got taken for mdi
even if its only for TOP
but so did prot warrior
my point is that people did play a shit ton of arms in 9.1 tho
in m+
scaled off in 9.1.5 after MBG got buffed
havent seen a single person playing arms in m+ after 9.0 thats why i was curious
was it good, i personally dont think so, but ther was def a lot of people playing it in 9.1
since it was #1 melee in raid too
Arms is fine in keys
Nothing in keys matters though because warlocks and surv are gods
Any patch? Just tried a top and my Leggo was not working, necrolord
There are some dumb bugs with unity
Ye unfortunate 😦 not having banner like all time
https://wago.io/IxMhs-_dB this will warn you on readycheck if unity is not working
relevant forum post ^
Cool thank you so much 🙂

Hi, I'm kind of in the mood to try out tanking for the first time in many years. I focused on DPS and healing mostly. And I know warrior tanks isn't in the best place right now, but I kinda feel most drawn to them. Will I do ok? Will I be able to push high keys? +22-25?
will suffer a lil bit to get into groups but warrior aint that bad
Why do people say they are the worst pick at the moment? Bad survivability?
What's the main reason they say that?
bad perception and clueless ppl
^
I think we lack a bit on dmg but rest we are ok
What do most warrior tanks do wrong? What would you say to a new warrior tank with high goals?
Any tips?
shield block uptime and rage management
Shockwave, step back and charge in
For some extra rage?
for reprisal
with reprisal you wanna charge and intervene more or less on cd
so it's good getting used to charge weaving
Warrior is good, dk is insane
Pala and monk have dispels in hunter/warlock meta, dh buffs warlock's damage etc
But warrior is absolutely fine to play and push until you get veeeryy high
but the youtuber who doesnt hit shield block told me its dogshit
Dk is😴😴
Most new warriors get concerned about "IP uptime" and starve themselves of rage at silly times - the rule of thumb is only use IP to avoid your rage bar overcapping, otherwise spend rage filling globals with Revenge
The hardest things to learn to do well are the full utilisation of Reprisal and the maximizing the Rage cycle.
intervene can turn your back to enemies or put you in a spot you don't want to be so lots of times i under use charge and intervene
Friends, how hard is tanking rygelon heroic
Will the double dot murder me
Being called in to tank as our guild MT can’t make it
heroic rygelon isnt bad since you taunt swap so often you can charge constantly and get 100% or near blocked hits making the dot much lower
dont need to take two stacks of the tank buster if thats what you mean
shield wall is enough for the intermission orb explosion easily
i haven't found h rygelon rough on me at all really, idk
what 3rd potency is everyone using with marileth?
we even ended up having the bdk soak both orbs while i just handle the boss for that phase and it works fine, i'm not in danger
covenant one, ashen jugg, and adaptive is the usual i would say
I tried to reply to a message but it was the wrong one so I deleted it
Was completely different person
do more keys!
I had 3 lined up for yesterday but, there was lady aggro

yeah
i'd feel better taking a socket for an item you won't replace than taking that cloak
but cloak is good also idk catalyst stats for cloak
crit mast
have 278 depraved warden with a socket
idk what that is but good for you
haste verse bracers
hell yea
so we get the coins for a socket then?
cloak or socket, neither are wrong
if you think you're gonna be getting a lot of gv slots
and/or doing mythic raid
socket for sure
i'd take socket if you have a good item to use it on
no mythic raid for a while, still working on heroic prog
if this is an alt you play casually, maybe cape
show gear
ring good
ring is probably the smartest right?
belt has mastery tho wouldnt you rather wanna farm a belt with haste
im not prot main just curious
ye
socket the death god signet or stitch?
death first prob
makes sense, then that slot is just 100% doneski

thank you warrior frens
Almost +2, you can do 15s no prob
at last a 278 shield from vault 
for some reason we killed like 4 wo's, one on pre boss, market event, can't remember what else off top of head
only mail dicey when i tank it too close to purple crap and hunter/rouge start dipping
i have a question about Mueh'zala on Tyrancial M20. Which trinkets do you use to kill the add? The healer will go with me and I usually use IQD up to 19. 19 is a bit close to comfort to kill the add.
Sometimes you just gotta 2 phase it
ok
it can be really tough for all 4 groups to reliably kill the totem ghosts solo at high difficulties, even in like 14's which is most i've done tht dungeon on, someone won 't do enough dps and it won't die in time to get totem
the run i just did the dk kept focusing wo for some unknown reason so we wasted a lot of potential bonus
have the person with the brain in group tell you where you need to go next if you do fail it.
people don't know to save cds for the totem guys
Fury is fun there cuz u rip everything on pull and have it all on totem again
it takes at least 1 dps CD to kill, so, but im not sure that it was before the first boss or on the first boss, but we had it on the first boss kinda thing, and it kinda worked out, easier to move out of the swirl swords

shhh, fury is the exception not the rule lol
small hiccup on when we started the merchant area, it didn't get done real fast, i didn't properly manage the pre boss music boss trash, let parts of it go wild attack ppl
priest and a warlock for range interupt (melee hunter), so gettin some of those pulls bit awakward on pull, but hunter/rogue
streets is less bad when you have a competnant group all around one guy who doesnt know and its the worst dungeon by far
gambit is so good man 
well, this group actually knew what the fuck quaking was and how to set up for it, so i don' think a single person died to it
gambit is great other than stupid dragon boss
normally what i do to help with it is link the quaking bar WA, and then when its less than 5 seconds to quaking i type "Q" in chat, for Quaking
they get the picture quick
whats best about it imo is thats its just DONE after dragon
some small shitter packs
true enough
i don't like fighting dragon without someone who can help put the mobs correct spot
oh yeah he gets messy
dragon is a cluster if people stack properly to keep the mobs all running one direction and keep cannon shit contained its a lot easier
Tyrannical seems like ez no problem, more fort that is painful
More failed keys than I ca even think about cuz somebody face pulled too early group gets domed , wipe release, malding team, alt f4, do it again in 20 ninutes
fort tends to have more failed keys because the requirements are just different enough
Alot of random attacks get hugely buffed and 1 pack of solo mobs on fort becomes mythic raid elite trash
Like what?
And it's like ahh you died to poison but that mechanic never matters until its +18 fort
fortified missed kicks really add up fast
had a dk die 4 times to that boss tonight
fortified shadowcores
and i was gonna say something about the rain
😆
Fortified raging with healer packs and no kicks is literal psychical hell
lol
raging isnt too bad for us because of block
question, which shield is better? a 278 M+ shield (The NW one) or the 278 Guardian shield?
dungeons or raids?
the big thing is the extra block value off guardian makes it have really good defensive value i believe about 8 levels or something
but it lacks secondaries so you lose out on damage
Both i guess?
so the general consensus is guardian shield for more tankiness and shield with stats for damage so if i rmember correctly stats are better for dungeons and guardian shield for raid bosses
though i might have that reversed
i believe mattacate has stated that in reality if you have them at same ilvl just flip a coin
so its got some level of what you prefer
hope that all helps
im not raiding anymore so i don't think about it at all
Quaking is a non affix kinda pointless to have WA for it
its only an affix last season
you could just make the WA do that for you
hey guys, should we consider into de fray for this week on M+?
no
« Hey guys its quaking affix, lets all stack up »
Every pugs ever
Thanks.
guaranteed spell reflect without someone sniping a kick!
is prot objectively worse than other tanks in m+ or just underrepresented?
Prot is completely fine. In fact it's very good. Community perception means people think it's bad and thus it is under represented.
this is definitely the case as most often the first thing that can be said to people is they need to hit more buttons as a whole
So of I am the type of player that goes for 15 at Max (getting KSM if I have the time and Motivation maybe) I am totally fine with Pwar? Just returned to the game and would love to play my old prot warrior because I love the playstyle
100% fine , even if you want to go higher
15s are extremely easy as a prot warrior
Okay thanks, thats good to hear 😋
what's the go to cov and soul bind for m+
necro, marileth
what are the 2 best trinkets right now for m+? assuming I can get mythic raid trinkets
scale from otherside I guess and...?
imo: aegis + scale or codex or fatescriber
Nah i mean i was doing 20s with phial and sack
Git gud issues if you are dying in m+
Sure scale makes it easier to not die
But is it absolutely needed? No
Sack+phial/ows
Double Techniques works well for me
Hmmm. Tricky vault. Sidegrade 278 Cloak, but it has Haste, or 278 Bracers (upgrade from 265) but without Haste
Anyone know how much Haste the Creation Catalyst wrists give at 278?
same 
70
or 30
or 66
As for an offensive trinket, what's the jailer's one (scars) worth ?
nothiing
Sadly I never got much better
Not true, I actually got EQD and Secret technique
theyre both better
than scar
scar is literally negative dps
and it will also damage you
so youre actively squishier when using it
I read Ticking Sack and Phial are the go-to DPS trinkets ? Now to change loot spec
sack, phial, sigil, ows, faulty countermeasures (from legion m+)
Ez game
Thats a fine helmet you got there lucky you!
is there a custom apl line to make yourself take damage in a sim?
guy is doing 15s after a 7 months break
same here. 2nd tank vault.. but still no opc on my dps specc 😄
(disenchanted 220 ilvl scale from bank )
Hey guys how is mastery for prot? I’ve got a heavy mastery set from fury and would like to multispec
ilvl>>>haste>>vers=crit>mastery
doesnt matter for 15s keys i guess ^^
no it wont, it's just gonna feel pretty terrible to play if your haste is very low
like sub 20 %
definitely just use your highest ilvl tho, probably prio getting some haste heavy rings/neck
yeye guessed @wooden widget is fury main like me and has full mast/haste items like me ^^ but yeah sockets, leech, or mastery on big ilvl >> bis stats for standart keys 😄
that at least was my feelings after not playing prot for a year
Lazy man’s strat - buy crafted ring, farm gambit for ring and neck.
Mists has both 1h and shield.
buying rings.. wdym ? 
Like chimmi said unless you got piss poor haste its never gonna really matter what stats you got. They make up such a small margin to your survival/tankiness
Thanks all
keep the crafted neck i have or this one i got from streets last night?, my guess on what to do here is keep the crafted neck and then purchase a crafted ring to use until get a good ring
mastery is pretty much terrible for prot, because, you have a button that gives you 100% block, and if you play well enough you can block most attacks.
the only thing more mastery will do is slightly boost ability damage, increase your base block chance, which will give you higher chance crit block with SB up (block for double the value listed on shield up to 85% of the incoming attack)
They should re-instate the excess block to crit block conversion.
No real point shuffling around those items, no.
Mastery increase attack power
Which increase IP
It's not terrible, it's not the best
You would never lose iLVL to drop mastery
And it double down on our strenghts that is reducing blockable damage
That we already do fine enough
Crit is better for dmg, vers is better for survivability
And haste is BiS
SS w/o sack 265 (121 mastery), 3088 dmg , with it equipped, 3177, difference of 89dmg only self AP
dunno what kind of base SS dmg you guys get at like say 275ilvl, but would be nice to know, guessing probably 4k maybe 5k top player (mine was looked at with no buffs at all, just gear equipped)
im 247 and mine is 3000
why wouldnt you have Battle shout active?
How much dps is good for a +18 if you had to say
8-10k i guess
anything above 10k is fine but youd probably want higher
If you’re doing less than 10k then that’s a problem
depends on your ilvl though
@strong forum did 11.4k yesterday i HoA 17 with 2 pc and at like 250ish i think
50% of jakeys messages are "2 pc and 250ish" 
100% of nom messages are that
the answer for how much dps you should do is always more unless you all did max dps and hps and still died
there is almost never a scenario where doing more dps hurts, your team that is
Less than 15k 
Im trying my hardest to whip you guys to shape and only @jagged pier is coming close 

I'm trying to push above 10k dps but I'm stuck around 8-9k average.
Trash packs I've gotten as high as 14k then there are some bosses that I get stuck only doing 5k. Stupid plaguefall final boss forcing downtime.
I’m right there with ya @vernal vale
Hey which trinket would you take out of vault? Simy Consumptive Organ (278), or Intrusive Thoughtcage (272) Im OS tank so ive no clue xD
Im not even trying tbh, getting burnt out on keys atm
If none are good then ill take tokens
Nither are good
ok thanks
Yeah that's definitely a socket vault
Hello guys ! I'm not sure to be skilled enough to play reprisal as legendary is it still ok to go with shield wall ? Or really I need to train ? thanks !
Solution: Get better
reprisal is a good bit better in most content
yes thats what I was thinking about haha
get yourself a good mouseover intervene/charge macro and just zoom zoom
It's rlly fun playstyle
ok I really need that maccro I think
more shield slam more revenge more charge basically, in that order pretty much as well
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,harm,nodead][harm,nodead] Charge
/cast [@mouseover,noharm,nodead][noharm,nodead] Intervene
that's what i use
U can charge/intervene with 1 button
Remember that u can stun -> run away -> charge
Charge casters
Just don't charge through mobs
I use 2 buttons because I prefer having the ability to intervene on a targettarget
The island in plaguefall before 3rd boss do you taunt the slime or the skele dude. I think its the slime right? so it doesnt pull the entire island
a separate targettarget intervene bind is nice for a lot of mechanics
slime
Thats what i thought thanks @lofty widget
There is any cast that is worth intervening ?
Hey I got 4pc today so maybe I can almost do dmg now
lot of things that don't actually intervene but lets you put safeguard on em
welcome to stonks club
Yeah it's Safeguard that's key
I was using it to save idiot melee DPS that wouldn't run from shades all last week
i intervened the tank for movement in spires the other day running to the cat pack after first boss
as fury
💀
tank brain melee
i even realized it and tried to get out of range but too slow kek
you cannot save someone unwilling to save themselves
My Intervene macro:
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead, exists][@mouseovertarget, help, nodead, exists][@focus, help, nodead, exists][target=targettarget, help, nodead, exists][]Intervene
If u have focus it'll intervene the target of target?
I once accidentally intervened as Arms on the tank on Soulrender. Instagibbed.
it intervenes a friendly mouseover, else harmful mouseover's target, else focus, else target's target, else target
That's confusing
Nah; the targettarget part is for when I'm not setting a melee DPS as my intervene bitch
i have to hit something with free revenge to proc free ss reset correct
Yes
i can't just.... intervene the mage and revenge into the void to reset SS
Nope lol
someone try it real quick
youd imagine so but who really knows
I'm absolutely certain it does
It does have to hit
it's still 30% right
Ye
I guess TC has to hit as well then?
Ya
tc is 360 and pretty nice range, so it 99% hits something
does the flat dmg range on 1h weapon matter for us tbh? just noticed when opening the vault that a 278 mace with haste vers has 170-219, and 278 axe with haste vers aswell which im using rn. is 126-263
nope, only weapon dps matters
and thats equal for all equal ilvl weapons
well, 1 handed weapons in our case
if u have more ilvl weapon is always upgrade
cuz that gives u dmg that u cant easily get from other sources
this axe will have a lil more dps variance in the short term
but it'll even out over time
kk that's what i thought. Was just curious since i never noticed that all 1h weapons with the same ilvl can have different flat dmg range , even with the same weapon speed etc.
for those rare moments when charge is on CD but you don't want to lose dmg on boss. been there as well
Why do u need to intervene as arms?
move for reasons mechanics
extra movement
oh
they can die by the sword>intervene too
that as well
whatever that boss is that goes down the path would be good spot to master charge/intervene
yeah don't intervene your tank there tho lel
halondrus?
When I play DPS I often intervene on low HP casters during mechanics; cuts the damage they take and often gets me to a good position. The meteor in the postroom, the charge on the 1st boss in SD
But then I'm the rare DPS that tries to play for the team, not my personal parse
only during circles, unless hal has various frontal tank mechanics, i don't tank in LFR
i think he still beams during that? idk, i just mash buttons and tail boss
only use charge during the knockback
I only tank m+, fury and arms for raid
he doesnn't beam, but he lances the tanks hard af




