nah u lying we were bottom in S1
#protection
strong forum
unplayable trash
jagged pier
literally not top 9
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
so its technically top 8
jagged pier
literally watched a clip of him yesterday opened his char panel while panic spamming to live
strong forum
ya nerf is special
actually plays the weakest necrotic tank in a necrotic week
very weird
ah nvm plays dk again
torpid junco
What level of keys are the top prot warriors in this chat doing ?
lofty widget
26/27 probably
sick sentinel
i went to do SD 14 and we didn't time it but largely due to i stood in a fuck load of urh swirl
and i didn't get the bubble down on time which was the killer
quaint glade
What level of keys are the top prot warriors in this chat doing ?
19-20
timber slate
also playing it for fun, main is higher
hard vessel
19-20<:wicked:937093876857045012>
Stop trolling
quaint glade
dawn canyon
They got one?
timber slate
''nerf''
jagged pier
and defensive nerf
sick sentinel
dk no mobility though
dawn canyon
They got da and wraithwalk
sick sentinel
2m cd but cant' be slowed past the buff sounds really nice
can't be force moved DA effect nice too
sick sentinel
DA i think is the run out of circle mechanics button
dawn canyon
Id hate myself it i Talented out of wrath w if i had to
sick sentinel
21 top on MDI stream
dawn canyon
I need it for my sanity
dawn canyon
I dont like rp-ing as a turtle
strong forum
Tutel
timber slate
I dont like rp-ing as a turtle
A turtle made it to the water
sick sentinel
what if im in scenario where i have outburst but no rage and SS on CD
past grove
revenj
sick sentinel
no rage for revenge is what i mean
lofty widget
intervene/charge
sick sentinel
still hitting some outburst TC, but try not to
past grove
Just need to get into the habit I guess, the better you manage it, the better you will be in the end.
timber slate
Shockwave then charge in
mellow bridge
lets say I charge into a pack with avatar and use my outburst on SS
then I get another outburst shortly after from stacks fro mthe last pull or w/e
should I wait for SS or just send a TC with it
ocean yoke
use all that rage for revenges to get a SS proc and use it on that
mellow bridge
sometimes I have nothing else to press, feels awkward
lofty widget
revenge until you get an SS proc
mellow bridge
yea that's what I did so far
lofty widget
should have tons of rage on pull
sick sentinel
if you guys reall wanted i could release footage of this horrible 14 SD i did today
mellow bridge
but once in a while I'm out of stuff
just finished my 4 set today (just my alt) so I'm def making mistakes still
lofty widget
if you have literally nothing to press (which is really rare) then just wait those 2-3 seconds imo
fluid stirrup
i'm planning to bring my warrior back up to snuff mainly for keys, but the last time i played i just felt really squishy; should i prio more vers for smoother damage intake?
sick sentinel
ended up being a 41-43 minute SD, very largely due to dumb things i did
lofty widget
but usually you have something, charge/intervene, demo etc for somerage
mellow bridge
i'm planning to bring my warrior back up to snuff mainly for keys, but the last ...
no
ilvl > haste until 40% > vers
lofty widget
i'm planning to bring my warrior back up to snuff mainly for keys, but the last ...
vers for DR is kind of a joke
proper play, ilvl and haste will serve you a lot better
sick sentinel
"you need more versatility bro" is copium from metaplayers
that's what it was in bfa, and if you die in a key, ah, you didn't have enough versa, or your bad
mellow bridge
if you have literally nothing to press (which is really rare) then just wait tho...
yea it didnt happen too often so far
but once in a while
and sometimes my pepega brain presses TC instead of SS and then I feel sad
blasted first mists boss in +19 tho
sick sentinel
i've trained my self to stop pressing anything but click for attack, and revenge when outburst is up or 6/7 stacks SR, and ss as #1 prio in that case, duh, channel where we talk about how to press more SS
timber slate
blasted first mists boss in +19 tho
Thought it was overall dmg for a sec👀
mighty egret
@cursor
grave tendon
I want to spam tank dungeons for leveling, what’s the best xpac to do it? for 10-50
cloud onyx
thanks
sick sentinel
should i upgrade weapon/shield or trinkets?
scenic mural
Shield >trinket>weapon (excluding codex)
sick sentinel
why not codex
scenic mural
Gain nothin but stam upgrading it, waste of valor
sick sentinel
i see, thanks
blazing condor
It should But probably not much
urban portal
It does but prot warrior will never reach the cap
I don’t think it’ll reach the cap on jailer
And that’s the hardest hitting melee in the game
atomic matrix
Hey all, wondered how does 4 set feel on warrior?
mighty valley
Great, very fast paced
atomic matrix
Great, very fast paced
Nice! just checked the bonus, sounds like warrior got a big upgrade to their defensive! Do you feel your survivability have improved a lot?
mighty valley
Yeah, two legendaries + tier makes our whole rage engine pop off
with huge necrolord banner uptime
urban portal
2 set feels very well thought out
4 set feels like an afterthought
Nothing can be worse than havoc tho
atomic matrix
with huge necrolord banner uptime
Not sure I will go necrolord, sounds like that’s mostly if you have a push group? Or have I miss read it?
sick sentinel
i wish the channel FC while moving thingy was in mariliteth instead of emeni
restive oak
would be nice for maintaining buff
sick sentinel
you can jump mid channel even. Could use it while healer mana ups between pulls right before the pull, as your walking in, something like mana storms in de otherwise, other marileth one is strong af too
chilly brook
i'm planning to bring my warrior back up to snuff mainly for keys, but the last ...
if you feel really squishy you're messing up
sick sentinel
This tank type prevents alot of damage through looking at what's going on and using right tool and positioning,
It is your job to try to predict what dmg will come and reduce or totally avoid it rather than kte like dh, or spam heal like druid dk, assuming ppal spams self heal kinda
naive panther
anyone use marlieth?
cloud onyx
Tried some instances on my lvl 54 prot warr. Idk if hid haste is just low, but I had a hard time having 100% uptime on shield block and ignore pain
urban portal
You aren’t supposed to have 100% uptime on block
median tulip
anyone use marlieth?
Marileth is the default choice
mighty valley
Tried some instances on my lvl 54 prot warr. Idk if hid haste is just low, but I...
Nothing matters pre-60 but also IP uptime doesn’t really mean anything
strong forum
Does the amount not scale with lvl?
The tooltip on codex is bugged, it's reflect capabilities are 10x of what's displayed
You need to take a singular 120k+ hit for codex to max out the reflect dmg
shell shale
I see
strong forum
So ilvl is pretty much useless on codex
shell shale
Good to know
craggy pilot
how do people obtain 40% unbuffed haste? 🧐 
lofty widget
high-haste jewellry and lots of sockets
jagged pier
i mean i dont have haste on every piece and i have 34%
jagged pier
it all depends on what pieces u got
craggy pilot
i mean i dont have haste on every piece and i have 34%
lofty widget
i could probably have 41-42 % unbuffed if i gemmed all haste
jagged pier
i even have a sheild weith no stats
craggy pilot
show me ur toon jakey
past grove
You can't just ask someone to whip out their 'toon' in public...
craggy pilot
i have 1100 haste, even if i put on my 2x Haste trinkets (Elegy + Soleah) i wouldnt hit 40%...
craggy pilot
ye you have 3 pieces no haste 🤔
jagged pier
i have more that arent high haste tho
craggy pilot
should i play with Elegy + Soleah for capping out haste then or nah?
jagged pier
no
echo egret
Kyrian / mekanikos conduit question :
On 2nd row, is it worth taking the right path (defensive conduit instead of offensive) to regain control of my phial usage ? Like dispelling bleeds in demand
lofty widget
for m+, absolutely as long as you have piercing verdict
although you should really be necro these days
echo egret
The pins direct to the wowhead guide right ? It has the auto-phial path.
craggy pilot
yea we used to have a different picture in the pins
try to link ur soulbind
screenshot
echo egret
for m+, absolutely as long as you have piercing verdict
I don’t see myself in M+ without spear tbh, if only for threat boost
lofty widget
this is the path you wanna take with mikanikos
echo egret
Yeah I took the wowhead one but I was pondering something like that
craggy pilot
(for m+) i think for raid you would swap the middle row to the left row, but not 100% sure
lofty widget
oh yeah, but you would also take auto-phial in raid
jagged pier
you really shouldnt be kyrian at all
echo egret
what makes Necrolord so infinitely superior ?
lofty widget
rage gen, damage, survivability
gray iris
hey guys... i got blocked hits up to 82% with AM.. Is it good? Or do i need to improve more
echo egret
or is it another case or "it's slightly better, by consequence everything else is utter crap" ?
strong forum
what makes Necrolord so infinitely superior ?
More rage, huge uptime on +26% str and + 520 mastery
:)
jagged pier
buget BoM
strong forum
You're literally 30% tankier as necro
strong forum
Not even counting the rage
past grove
If you're a decent player, you will have almost 100% banner uptime. That is almost permanent +25% strength and 520 mastery amongst some other great conduits
echo egret
okay
gray iris
If you're a decent player, you will have almost 100% banner uptime. That is almo...
how is that even possible? Where do you get that much amount of rage to keep banner uptime for 2 minutes straight
strong forum
Tier + playing well
dawn canyon
14+ cpm ss makes it possible
echo egret
I'm more concerned at losing some spear and its snap AoE threat + root for necrotic weeks
lofty widget
necrotic isnt an issue
dawn canyon
Snap threat = dps wait like a second
strong forum
^
dawn canyon
I doubt spear holds vs a fury reck spear pop anyways
strong forum
Dont underestimate spear tbh
It's literally an aoe taunt
But as necro you can make due
Just need to press a bit harder
It's defo not enough to warrant not playing necro
gray iris
how long is one gcd in seconds? Like after pressing revenge how long does it take to press another revenge? Is it different for everyone depending on the haste?
gray iris
oh okayz
so theoretically you can press 60 revenge on average if 1200 rage is available every 60 seconds
craggy pilot
You're literally 30% tankier as necro
30% ? 🤔
dawn canyon
Or 40 ips
craggy pilot
how does str give def? purely parry?
mortal brook
Strength is amps to all abilities, more parry more armor bigger ip all the things connected to attack power
It's also why weapon is such an impactful slot because weapon DPS has a high attack power conversion
strong forum
Then slap the 15% mastery gain on top
And you get even more
Then the extra rage from banner
gray iris
i have a question....If you have ss and sb available....Do you guys press sb and ss buttons together or first press sb and then ss?
mortal brook
Shield block amps Shield slam damage so you want to make sure it's cast at the least a little bit before to guarantee that amp
gray iris
i mean since sb is not gcd, we can press ss and sb together to increase cpm
mortal brook
I'm not going to let a server tick decide that for me
strong forum
^
mortal brook
I'm going to guarantee the amp
past grove
talking about server ticks suddenly I feel like its FFXIV talk here...
gray iris
I'm going to guarantee the amp
you will have one gcd worth of time reserved purely for sb?
strong forum
?
mortal brook
Shield block is not on the gcd.
strong forum
Just press sb-ss in that order as fast as you can
gray iris
Just press sb-ss in that order as fast as you can
oh okay that makes sense xd
mortal brook
Yeah like don't macro them together or silly things like that
mortal brook
Just a teensy bit before is fine
gray iris
Nobody is waiting for gcds to finish
damn i have gotten into this bad habit
mortal brook
Especially with spell queue delay
That can go up to 400 Ms if you really feel like it
strong forum
If you wait for gcds to finish, no wonder you don't generate alot of rage
gray iris
like i take 2-3 seconds to do avatar, demo shout and then start pressing revenge
strong forum
You gotta Hammer those keys
Avatar is off gcd
If you don't have 300apm on your keyboard
Youre slacking
gray iris
If you don't have 300apm on your keyboard
what is apm?
past grove
avatars per minute
lofty widget
actions per minute, same as cpm
strong forum
Actions per minute, aka how many buttons you literally press on your keyboard, not how many casts are done in game
gray iris
Actions per minute, aka how many buttons you literally press on your keyboard, n...
damn i have a very slow apm
strong forum
Well yeah
If you wait for gcds to finish
You're literally missing tons of buttons
Because you're not catching the spells as soon as they're possible to be used
mortal brook
It would be good to note all of the abilities that do not incur the global cooldown
gray iris
this explains my banner time to be only 45 seconds
strong forum
Yeah 45s Banner uptime is literally 9.1 numbers
Without tier
Without reprisal
Even in 9.1 during Lust you could get 70s banners
So you're seriously slow
mortal brook
Always be casting. Abc
mortal brook
There's your issue. Warriors use rage, it's hunters that focus
strong forum
I was a bit memeing there, but it is factual that you have to press like 7-13 buttons per second
To not miss a cast of a spell
gray iris
I was a bit memeing there, but it is factual that you have to press like 7-13 bu...
wtf lol
mortal brook
Or just set your spell queue delay to reasonable amounts
Then it's only a couple buttons per second
past grove
400ms queuing is a blessing as someone who plays with 150ms ping
gray iris
If you have it at 150 you need to press 7+ buttons per second
damn now i understand... i press revenge once and i have noticed that it does not go off
strong forum
Yeah don't do that lol
You need to literally repeatedly press the button you wanna press next until it goes off
While the gcd is still going
mortal brook
It's a bit of exaggeration.
gray iris
oh damn... i just press one button during gcd amd then wait for it to finish
mortal brook
That's especially a mistake given how many abilities are off the gcd for warrior
solemn kelp
How do you change SQW?
mortal brook
Because those should be simultaneously cast
solemn kelp
X in ms i presume
gray iris
damn thanks guys... Without this information i was a blind man attempting to climb mount everest
gray iris
where do you set this ms thing?
strong forum
And ofc depending on how fast you can press
dawn canyon
where do you set this ms thing?
Hover over the ? That also toggles the game menu
It's tooltip tells you your MS
strong forum
For you ica I'd recommend to nto change it yet
Until you notice "the wrong spells going off"
Tbh
dawn canyon
I only made the switch after i felt like i understood my stuff
Ye i changed for fury to adjust to resets better
Feels really good now
strong forum
The lower the better
The higher your ping, the more you gotta spam buttons
In order to not miss casts
Cuz the server doesn't receive your inputs as fast
That's where sqw comes into play
To help you with delayed inputs
gray iris
can we see this sequence window?
strong forum
You can't see which spells you have queued up no
gray iris
so even for avatar, i have to press that button many times in a single gcd?
or just spells that are on gcd
strong forum
No off gcd buttons you only gotta press once
They will go off no matter what
Unless you're stunned
mortal brook
Base UI highlights your ability in the sqw
strong forum
mortal brook
It looks like the standard I'm clicking an ability it's just holding it down
mortal brook
Ye
raw carbon
So I'm using Signet because I'm too broke to actually transition to tank leggo, when proccing Bladestorm, can I still block/parry?
strong forum
Yes
But I recommend you cancel aura bladestorm ASAP
It's an actual dps loss to sit in bladestorm
And I urge you to get a different legendary
mortal brook
Even a 190 prot leggo effect would be better thh. Should be cheap
raw carbon
I play on a server with 1k people so everything's relatively expensive
strong forum
Damb
Auction house should be Regionwide
Makes Gold transfers also alot easier
Albeit with a hefty tax
raw carbon
Blizz did say they wanted to make things accountwide in upcoming times... Not sure if AH is going to be considering it may or may not screw a lot of markets
solemn kelp
I averaged 3.5k dps on HC Halondrus last night. Sadge. 😦
mortal brook
Post logs for better feedback
strong forum
first of all
stop playing unstoppable force
thats a big reason why your dps is so low
dawn canyon
It's not bfa anymore
past grove
Better awareness will help more there tbh
solemn kelp
i guess it was our first kill and things were a bit skewiffy
strong forum
just pre-position if you see a new orb
mortal brook
You are not pressing Shield block
strong forum
oh god yea
mortal brook
That is a shield slam damage loss
solemn kelp
Yeah bad habit
past grove
mortal brook
!
strong forum
!
past grove
mate I feel terrible for your healers
strong forum
bro
past grove
You shouldn't even be worrying about dps yet, concentrate on that first
solemn kelp
ok ok thanks no need to rub it it i've been playing bad
but thanks for the feedback nonetheless
strong forum
i mean we're just emphasising how vital it is to press shield block
solemn kelp
message received loud and clear
strong forum
for a simple view
past grove
Focus on using shield block whenever you're active tank and your dps and everything else will start to go up
strong forum
yours
past grove
thats how vital it is
mortal brook
As far as the orbs, go into your dbm or bigwigs and put a more noticeable notification for the orbs with Shield spawning. Gives you time to look around and preposition
strong forum
252 ilvl 2pc tier
mortal brook
Prepositioning will not only help you but help people around you cuz you're not scrambling
solemn kelp
❤️
strong forum
just so you have a visual idea
of how your buttons pressed should generally look like
solemn kelp
Do you guys have a preferred way of detecting/tracking your SB?
dawn canyon
Weakauras
strong forum
Weakaura
solemn kelp
Given its importance, you make it prominent?
dawn canyon
It's a green progress bar below my chracater for me
But there's also people who just Show the icon with duration somewhere in sight
strong forum
my UI is very minimalised
so its not prominent
i just know its importance and when its not there
solemn kelp
Keep it up like you've taken SB viagra
strong forum
yes
mortal brook
Honestly moving around key bindings so Shield block is in your usual spam zone could pay off
solemn kelp
SB is key 3 for me and i usually spam 1-5
strong forum
well "spamming 1-5"
solemn kelp
but i guess 3 is a blind spot
strong forum
already sounds dangerous
you shouldnt be blindly spamming buttons
every button you press should be planned
past grove
ooh I like that layout 🤔
strong forum
can find it on wago, just search "Nomeratur" and youll find my stuff
dawn canyon
What your binds are doesnt matter as long as you can press em on demand
solemn kelp
every button you press should be planned
I'd love to get to this point
past grove
I'd love to get to this point
practice
strong forum
thats just practice and knowing the priority of buttons
past grove
instead of jumping around oribos, jump around a target dummy
solemn kelp
hehe
strong forum
SS -> TC -> Revenge
Avatar on CD
Demo on CD if playing BV
Revenge spam if you need to get rid of rage
IP only if youre about to overcap rage
Outburst only on SS
solemn kelp
with Spear, does DS and Avatar give highest return?
dawn canyon
Spear up > send spear
solemn kelp
start of fight though
strong forum
in that event, Avatar+DS -> spear
but youll overcap rage
so press IP there aswell
solemn kelp
rgr
strong forum
ya youve chosen the hardest tank to learn how to press buttons
solemn kelp
wanna be better
solemn kelp
alright, take care you guys, and thanks for the introspection
mortal brook
dawn canyon
alright, take care you guys, and thanks for the introspection
Please share more logs whenever you feel like it and most importantly have fun 
jagged pier
<:deswind:533073964096946176>
dawn canyon
i was unaware of this wtf
strong forum
mortal brook
solemn kelp
Please share more logs whenever you feel like it and most importantly have fun <...
❤️
raw carbon
I was aware of catJam but not ratJAM
solemn kelp
Believe it or not I love Prot War and it's all I play
past grove
My own hc halondrus log isnt much better but was only 250ilvl and getting used to necro/9.2 difference
raw carbon
Interesting that we can still heroic leap 
strong forum
well its an ability not a spacebar jump
dawn canyon
But what if my leap is on spacebar!
past grove
no kick is R!
raw carbon
Kick is F
past grove
I've changed my keybindings every so slightly on my warr and feel useless suddenly
raw carbon
I get that
past grove
half tempted to change a few of my shared preferences, taunt, interrupt etc
raw carbon
Oh dear
mental scarab
Sick 
raw carbon
dawn canyon
What kinda Server are u on
raw carbon
Lightbringer EU
dawn canyon
Ah ye a friend of mine is there
Completely fried economy
He's only there for the bmah
past grove
<:copium:839076283467431956>
bro go do your callings... easy gold
raw carbon
When they take like 40 minutes per character I can no longer be arsed >.<
past grove
40minutes for ~5500gold...
past grove
Faster for me as I have engineering on all characters for wormhole tbf
dawn canyon
I couldnt live without engi
raw carbon
I only got engi to do DoS skip, can't afford to level it
past grove
so many plaguefall runs saved because of engi..
past grove
cant remember name as for me it's just known as Ctrl+Z but there is a trap you can put down to banish the big slime on first boss
5OUL-TR4P
dawn canyon
I only got engi to do DoS skip, can't afford to level it
Dont need to level it for wormhole
Buy toy and be done
mental scarab
Wow token easy farm
past grove
Buy toy and be done
he can't afford to buy a toy 🤣
mental scarab
Adulting at it finest
dawn canyon
he can't afford to buy a toy 🤣
I spent 2k for mine but thats a high pop server price
raw carbon
Not finding any missive info, what stats we want on leggo
raw carbon
dawn canyon
What a Server
raw carbon
it gives me depression to hop over to Silvermoon where 291s are like 20k
past grove
291s hover between 30 and 50k on draenor
dawn canyon
Draenor gang
past grove
eu
sick sentinel
I'm not sure but I think that is pr was the Illidan server of na for eeu
Usually high or full population
median tulip
EU-DRAENOR best server
sick sentinel
I liked my server na draednor except for some weird furry gm I had in tbc
This was like 2007, and he's bear/cat druid main, just druid main I think, I can't remember what I did to make him mad but he actually did a /growl in the guild chat
One of my first real encounters with furries, I'm like 90% sure his guild still exists
dusky sentinel
To the engi thingie. U can also soul trap the 2nd boss blob
sick sentinel
https://youtu.be/vZa0Yh6e7dw I logged into my mage and this was the message waiting for me from unknown gm, heartbreaking a little bit
past grove
To the engi thingie. U can also soul trap the 2nd boss blob
That too
2nd boss slime doesn't end the run though as much as first boss slime does
sick sentinel
Engineer ghost busters trap works on damn near any trash m+ even boss adds boss 1 pf slime add, u can trap that
The downside is unless you have a warlock in group you can't over ride the effect and it's immune for 60 full seconds, which can potentially screw you if say you have to clear all mobs of x pack to get event xyz to happen
Mob just sits there for full 60 seconds, then you have to kill it and then wait for taxi or teleport to become available
dusky sentinel
That actually gave me a snap idea
sick sentinel
But if any one gets confused what the item/effect is just explains it works exactly like the ghost busters traps from movie, people will get confused
jagged pier
still not enough
sick sentinel
This is without ITF and no OWS stacks
just call it unbuffed XYZ, much easier that way, i used to run one of those display stats WA, but then i figured out it was almost pointless
sick sentinel
i got rid of some of the more useless addons and weakauras i have
timber slate
Get a better UI
crystal iris
who needs FPS im not playing CS
sick sentinel
who needs FPS im not playing CS
u need at least 10 FPS to avoid saw blades and shit first boss workshop
i played with healer with worlds worst computer and we'd call it "cody frames" cuz he'd get like 10-25 fps in certain locations, even with low graphics
raw carbon
how are we meant to play with Reprisal in raids? just intervene a ranged player and charge back to boss or smth?
left anvil
Yeah reprisal is the go to. Can also just intervene a melee for a quick proc
strong forum
how are we meant to play with Reprisal in raids? just intervene a ranged player ...
Intervene a melee on CD so you don't move
chrome falcon
intervening a range then back to the boss is bad
grizzled nova
how are we meant to play with Reprisal in raids? just intervene a ranged player ...
There's not really a consistently correct answer as maximizing reprisal value is gonna vary a lot from boss to boss, but generally speaking you want to charge into taunts and intervene while you have aggro to maximize the block uptime value.
chrome falcon
you waste a free revenge
and almost certainly overcap rage
just do it on a melee
strong forum
Charge weave on boss abilities where he's stationary
Charge before taunting to take over from cotank
And when your cotank has it, just charge whenever you need it
raw carbon
Ah, I said that because I thought intervene had a min range like charge do
grizzled nova
Ah, yeah
Again boss dependent but most of the time you'll be intervening your cotank
or some other target that is going to minimize how much the boss moves/turns
strong forum
Don't intervene your cotank if he has aggro tho
grizzled nova
ye
My goal is usually to maximize block uptime wrt aggro, so typically I'm holding intervene until I have aggro, but again, it's gonna vary a lot from boss to boss
intervene has a pretty massive hitbox so you can typically use it on melee without too much danger as well
chilly brook
or some other target that is going to minimize how much the boss moves/turns
If the boss turns it’s not a big deal
Unless there’s a frontal
raw carbon
I would imagine dreadlords could be a yikes
chilly brook
there's only a few boss where you can't intervene co-tank tbh
I mean most of them
If your timing is bad anyways
You definitely don’t want to intervene your cotank before pneumatic impact on him
chrome falcon
sure but that's one every 30 seconds
raw carbon
You definitely don’t want to intervene your cotank before pneumatic impact on hi...
It's worse when you don't have a cotank so you're forced to just stack the pneumatics
chilly brook
It's worse when you don't have a cotank so you're forced to just stack the pneum...
Wadu hek
gray iris
damn finally could banner for 65 seconds
mellow harbor
Single target or aoe?
mellow harbor
Nice
gray iris
yeah was struggling yesterday to even get 45
mellow harbor
Prot warrior dmg is kinda sad in M+
blazing condor
its not that bad
lofty widget
what
blazing condor
10k+ is fine
mellow harbor
I don't think I have ever hit 10k unless I was kyrian, maybe I'm just playing too safe with ignore pain as necro
lofty widget
idk, im avging 13k this week
chrome falcon
yeah if you're still not hitting 10k that's on you
mellow harbor
This Is also assuming 24s keys
lofty widget
yes?
mellow harbor
Guess more revenge
timber slate
🫥
toxic pewter
I feel like I want to run best served cold is that wrong in keys
lofty widget
nah
lofty widget
bsc for more overall, bv for more st and easier banner uptime
toxic pewter
yeah I feel like my banner uptime will be really worse off
prob should just leave it alone
lofty widget
im running bv as a comfort pick, my dps is fine anyways
toxic pewter
ya my dps is good enough thats true
strong forum
In high keys tanks actually deal more dmg
Than in low keys unless you do crazy shit
I've hit 10k a few times this week but I'm still smol gear boi
Can't even craft 4pc cuz I still haven't gotten shoulders or legs
dusky sentinel
I honestly dont get how u get 10k+ overall. I suck at using last stand but im spamming revenge so hard! But guess I have to log myself for once and see
dawn canyon
Execute
sturdy sable
Its proper cd usage and exactly its using your execute
jagged pier
@oblique garnet im closing in
jagged pier
ye
jagged pier
Thats just comes with how fast u kill trash tbh
oblique garnet
Yeah its really free with spiteful since i had 87% without
But vacation Late doesnt care about wow 
sick sentinel
Intervene a melee on CD so you don't move
the ultimate form of this is you talk to somebody you can trust to move to the correct location for a certain event or on your intervene CD, and then you have him as your macro focus target intervene target, 8 yards out for charge back in again, i'd say.
craggy pilot
you dont want to intervene+charge together, you will lose 1 Revenge buff
chilly brook
I don't think I have ever hit 10k unless I was kyrian, maybe I'm just playing to...
You’re not pressing your buttons
lyric geode
You’re not pressing your buttons
I still fail to see how is it possible to have like 80% uptime on ignore pain
chilly brook
I still fail to see how is it possible to have like 80% uptime on ignore pain
Ignore pain?
Or banner?
lyric geode
Ip
chilly brook
Like IP is going to have a high uptime because you have so much rage
lyric geode
87%
chilly brook
Pressing a lot of IP
Because I have a lot of rage
It’s really not that insane to have high IP uptime
strong forum
I have like 90% uptime in IP lol
chilly brook
Like I have like 94% uptime or above in my raid fights
strong forum
Ya you're just spamming away at that
chilly brook
My banner uptime on mythic vigilant was bad tho
No idea why
Probably because Friday was my first day back at the game in like 2 weeks
woven dove
You’re not pressing your buttons
what dung was it? key level?
woven dove
seeing all these 12k+ overall makes me wonder if im trash or some likes to flex
woven dove
i sometimes watch tattman and that dude is insanse. and he averages around 11k 25+
dawn canyon
seeing all these 12k+ overall makes me wonder if im trash or some likes to flex
He's good at the class but that's nothing exceptional only he and the yellows can do
raw carbon
So it sounds to me like necrolord is the meta for higher end keys?
dawn canyon
Doesnt have to be high key for NL to be good
chilly brook
Not higher than 17
It was a 19 mists I think
woven dove
i mean at very high key and do 11K+
chilly brook
seeing all these 12k+ overall makes me wonder if im trash or some likes to flex
12k should be fairly achievable
11k is like average
raw carbon
As a certified pepega I am currently mostly testing spec out so yeah... but from what I see in here most people seem to be playing NL
woven dove
i can do 15k as kyrian on 15-18 by nothing but spamming rev or certain dung
chilly brook
As a certified pepega I am currently mostly testing spec out so yeah... but from...
Because NL is stupidly fun and makes you super tanky
raw carbon
From playing NL in 9.1.5 it seemed as meh as cov abilities get, what's making it more fun this season?
strong forum
being able to run glory+reprisal
chilly brook
The fact that you have double legendary and 4 set that feeds into it
raw carbon
Tbf I was mostly playing it during levelling
strong forum
well NL during leveling is awful
raw carbon
assume reprisal (ignoring necrotic) is still just used by intervening a melee player? Or do we also leap -> charge for it
dawn canyon
leaping feels bad but u can run out and charge yes
strong forum
intervene a melee
shockwave - charge
leap - charge
charge a mob on the side/a stationary mob/caster whilst casting
those are the 4 options
raw carbon
Tbf didn't really think of shockwave
quaint glade
As a certified pepega I am currently mostly testing spec out so yeah... but from...
If you do not have 4 tier pieces I wouldn’t recommend it tbh, but it is good for tankinest
raw carbon
Currently playing kyr but yeah I do not have any tier piece because can't bother farming flux on this char
sick sentinel
it can be allieviated if you bring a paladin with brain/bop spec, all it requires is you to have cancelaura macro and when he bops u, u spam the macro once u see effect, back to normal attacks
https://wago.io/wcL_FeXVD use this, it has an image reminder and sends a message once it reaches 28 stacks (you can change the stacks or message in conditions if you like.)
echo egret
The 12K figures I've read above, is that DPS overall in a dungeon ?
lofty widget
yes
urban portal
Ye
echo egret
lol I'm at half that
I don't get it actually, this seems to be what only top rankings do when I browse warcraftlogs
strong forum
probably
cuz theres not alot of pwars who can actually play the spec
they only pretend to do so
echo egret
So how do you improve in that specific domain ?
distant crystal
jagged pier
strong forum
you gotta minmax alot more than on other tanks
simplest example is using SW with AM
the CD of SW is ridiculously short as necro and with urh
like i could use 2 SWs
in 1 minute
echo egret
but that's not about DPS
chilly brook
The 12K figures I've read above, is that DPS overall in a dungeon ?
Yes overall, currently doing between 10-11k on bosses
distant crystal
your rage spending is a tradeoff between surviving and dealing dmg
strong forum
if you cant see why its is about DPS
distant crystal
if you survive more cuz SW
strong forum
then yeah.
echo egret
got it
strong forum
also
to get SW to SUCH A SHORT FUCKING CD
you need to generate a fuckload of rage
generate a fuckload of rage involves pressing your generators and spenders like revenge
aswell as dont overcap rage
to get more outburst procs
distant crystal
i did a key with a fury main the other day and he said I need to work on my IP uptime
jagged pier
they all say that
jagged pier
because they too small brain to play the class
distant crystal
at first i was like nobody cares about IP uptime...but then I thought further on it
and looked at my wasted rage
and by golly he was sorta right in a roundabout way
strong forum
chilly brook
but that's not about DPS
What you don’t understand is your minmax in terms of everything feeds into your dps and survival
They’re directly tied
distant crystal
i was revenging like mad but there were a lot of times where i should've IP'd before i pressed slam
jagged pier
u should be putting rage into ip
distant crystal
cause those outburst slams are overcapping machines
jagged pier
i mean u shouldnt anyway
strong forum
jagged pier
even in the 97% uptime today
jagged pier
strong forum
thats 1 full outburst proc wasted
thats 1 entire Avatar use right there
just wasted
echo egret
well atm it feels I'm spending too much and I don't have shield block up as often as I'd like
chilly brook
well atm it feels I'm spending too much and I don't have shield block up as ofte...
4 piece? Necro?
echo egret
4 piece Kyrian
chilly brook
Well
sick sentinel
simplest example is using SW with AM
pop SW early rather than later is what i've experienced
strong forum
yes
sick sentinel
and often
chilly brook
Kyrian has way less rage generation
distant crystal
strong forum
literally pop SW like pimples
distant crystal
chilly brook
But you still shouldn’t be having issues with overspending
sick sentinel
prot is you need to be able to PREDICT the outcome, before it occurs, and then try your best to actively mitigate it early on
strong forum
also
if you proc Urh
just fucking use SW with it
after Urh ends
itll be on like 40sec CD
distant crystal
urh is so ridiculous with other cdr stuff
echo egret
that's something I never considered, but a good thing to focus on next time
distant crystal
idk if it's an elvui thing or what but i've noticed lately that my cooldown numbers are a diff color during urh
sick sentinel
you cannot be a reactive tank or your gunna have a bad time with prot warrior
distant crystal
i think they turn green
sick sentinel
i have problem that if bars are turned visible i stare at them and then if i turn them off, i still do the same DPS
or worse
stuff get out of giant urh circle or place down the barrier for SD final just doesn't click early on to get the process of getting that done
chilly brook
literally only 3sec CD on avatar
Um sir that’s 23 seconds
jagged pier
yes but avatar is 20 seconds
strong forum
maff hard
strong forum
itd be even less
chilly brook
I’m just being pedantic
strong forum
chilly brook
strong forum
mdi match over, time to wait for 20min for the next one!!
chilly brook
On a serious note
The CDR can become an issue on avatar fr
The brainpower I have to commit to not overwrite like 3 outbursts in a row is nuts
strong forum
ya as necro pwar youre playing literally 3 games at the same time
outburst management, reprisal management and banner management
lofty widget
sucks when you just have to sit on avatar during LS windows cause youre gonna waste outburst otherwise
strong forum
throw in avatar and SW usage and its literal 16head spec
strong forum
ngl sometimes im just saying fuckit
and use outburst on TC
instead of fishing for SS proc
chilly brook
Tbh in this situation
distant crystal
$report
chilly brook
I think that’s the best
strong forum
especially when i know ill just use half of that SS outburst for IP
chilly brook
Like if you’re at one outburst and have 7 stacks
But you might have to wait like 4 seconds
Just hit TC
I think the opportunity cost is too great to just sit there and literally do nothing
strong forum
yea
raw carbon
I assume we do not really want to have IP up 100% of the time, that makes me think of something else too, do we want to always have both stacks of shield block recharging or is there some reason we should let them go? from what I saw the duration stacked
strong forum
you dont care about IP uptime
chilly brook
I assume we do not really want to have IP up 100% of the time, that makes me thi...
You have so much rage
strong forum
its only a ragedump to prevent overcapping
chilly brook
IP uptime is a distant distant afterthought
You just press buttons to not cap rage
And keep banner up
strong forum
SB you use as you need, you dont care about a specific management of CD
charges fill up 1 after the other
not both at the same time
and SB stacks up to 18sec
so you dont want to wait for 1 buff to end
raw carbon
kk... also, why does it sometimes feel like I'm generating 3x the rage of other times? sometimes my rage bar just flies to full and sometimes it doesn't move, even on the same pack with same amount of mobs
strong forum
ideally you want charge, intervene and SB on CD at all times when in combat
strong forum
kk... also, why does it sometimes feel like I'm generating 3x the rage of other ...
last stand conduit
increases rage gen by ~50%
and ofc outburst used on SS
raw carbon
Ohh... That definetly means I should use it more than twice a dungeon lmaoo
strong forum
pretty much on CD
lofty widget
it's like a mini incarn for warriors
strong forum
LS makes you basically immortal for its duration
raw carbon
Still paper
strong forum
cuz youll just fucking pump out those IPs to not overcap which means loads of Indom healing aswell as outburst procs, ez banner uptime and revenge spam
lofty widget
is indom affected by necrotic actually?
strong forum
yes
lofty widget
lame
raw carbon
Assume max health increases and IP absorb isn't affected by necrotic though
lofty widget
IP is
raw carbon
Oh, huh
strong forum
all absorbs and heals are affected by necrotic
lofty widget
well
strong forum
the only exception is UFR and that thing from paladin
cuz they are applied from damage done
distant crystal
i think scale isn't either right
strong forum
i wouldnt know
distant crystal
tho i guess that's sorta applied from dmg done too
strong forum
never used scale seriously
raw carbon
that thing from paladin.... blessing of sacrifice?
distant crystal
i looted a scale friday
dawn canyon
First avenger
distant crystal
gave it to the DK 😮
distant crystal
I got a 278 sack and 275 codex
codex should be enough for a def trinket for my scuffed alt needs
lofty widget
phial+aegis gang
distant crystal
i need a phial
raw carbon
Here I am sitting on a agi trinket
distant crystal
my 2nd trinket for fury is that coalesced bullshit one
does about the same dmg as lightless force
strong forum
viscera
im using a 239 matrix
that thing does more dmg than phial
and gives you the absorb on top
raw carbon
Matrix?
lofty widget
from the previous raid
raw carbon
Ohh
craggy pilot
that thing does more dmg than phial
239 matrix does more dmg than 272 phial? 😮
strong forum
no
i only have a 246 phial
and that one only does 220 dps
239 matrix does 300 dps
lofty widget
my 265 phial does 350, so matrix is probably still better just for the defensive portion as well
strong forum
wish i had a 252 matrix
it would wear it over phial/sack any day of the week
GOD this patch sucks for trinkets
literally every trinket from current tier is dog
meanwhile agi classes get cache
a mainstat trinket which does over 1k dps
raw carbon
literally every trinket from current tier is dog
I was gonna say cache of acquired treasures but then you said only agi classes get that 😛
chilly brook
literally every trinket from current tier is dog
Sigil is goated
Big dam during the buff
chilly brook
It’s not bad in keys tbh
Since you’re the tank you get to maximize your usage anyways
With big pulls
sick sentinel
my go to set up is almost always an automatic trinket and an on use one just choose your best ones really, 2 automatic trinkets is really nice too,
urban portal
Double active is fine on tanks
Aegis and scale rly good in high keys
Scale on pull and aegis when you start running out of defensive
Or alternate them between pulls
sick sentinel
i'd always prefer 1 automatic trinket equipped personally, less to think about
ruby locust
I personally use terror and scale just enjoy having a non on use
sick sentinel
is darkspeaker platform vs bonestorm platform just a choice for keys? or i guess on fort more likely someone gets tornadoed on that one
strong forum
Just always pick the right side
craggy pilot
in the first season it seemed like left platform was the play, i recently swapped to right platform,and its so much more comfy
strong forum
Na it's always been right
Or well
It was due to pride timings right then left iirc
But 2x right is just better
desert solstice
Anima Field Emitter any good for us?
ruby locust
It simmed well for me last I looked but sims are deceiving at times
median tulip
I always avoid the bonestorm thing; I much prefer dealing with the two wind guys that that
median tulip
Anima Field Emitter any good for us?
It's good but the uptime leaves something to be desired
ruby locust
I figured it was something like that I hate spires and avoid it like the plague so I didn’t know
median tulip
I don't mind Spires, it's Plaguefall I can't stand
chrome falcon
building a 30 second barrier during opener is so juicy
i think a lot of the people who struggle with banner uptime are just fucking up their opener really bad
mighty valley
it's a lotta buttons
sick sentinel
dont paladins just block spells and its 30% dr or so?
like, sure it can't put a curse back on enemy, but fact that its all passive
i fucked up bad mostly because we failed a skip and then the pack where they jump out of the walls i just found it really difficult to stay out of circle and side step the blind
sick sentinel
if i wanted to i could drop the greatest protection warrior video of all time, or something in log reviews
scenic mural
blazing condor
do the fellas that run up in waves before music boss in taz scale off of fort or tyr
strong forum
My gut would tell me, neither
sick sentinel
if its not listed as a mob on MDT like if the boss spawns it in the answer is typically no
strong forum
Cuz they're part of a boss encounter
sick sentinel
so it would be tyranical
strong forum
And boss adds shouldn't scale with either
sick sentinel
im pretty sure tyr boss summons doggo and doggo gets more hp and such than fort
strong forum
That was a new change with SL or with 9.1 where boss adds don't scale with tyr/fort iirc
But there are extremely rare cases where that still happens to be the case
sick sentinel
im pretty sure those cotton balls in UR would bolster boss, i sure as hell know they full exploded, they fixed it fast though
strong forum
That's bfa.
That's now over 2 years ago
Tyr has been massively changed since then
And especially boss adds
For example boss adds no longer spawn sanguine anymore, or apply necrotic
And ofc don't bolster
sick sentinel
i was really confused what was happening but the key in question, i wasn't getting as many necro stacks as i was expecting
pull before they jump out, i barely got any stacks and that pull went pretty good
ruby locust
What’s the rotation big boys 👀👀
ruby locust
Mash ignore pain mash mash mash mash repeat
ocean yoke
dont forget the most important phase, execute execute execute execute execute execute
ruby locust
Oh truth
crystal iris
dont forget the most important phase, execute execute execute execute execute ex...
Realize SB fell off while you were executing and have 0 rage, panic, shield wall
torpid junco
Anyone here doing 23’s or higher ?