self reports to me and then only reports at end of dungeon
#protection
sick sentinel
chrome falcon
if you get hit by something in a key
even something minor
and i make a point to tell you
sick sentinel
or if i tell it to report at end of dungeon
chrome falcon
that makes me a dick
dawn canyon
self reports to me and then only reports at end of dungeon
That's fair
chilly brook
or if i tell it to report at end of dungeon
yes
sick sentinel
but what are u gonna do with that info when the key is done
chilly brook
I don't care
dawn canyon
But the insta "got hit lol" sux
chilly brook
about how much I got hit
sick sentinel
tell that warlock not to tank
chilly brook
did I die?
frosty ridge
why tell it to report at all, just look at it
urban portal
Save it to yourself
chilly brook
What if I took a hit on purpose?
sick sentinel
and tank more than u
urban portal
And yogi you play in a 10
chrome falcon
if the rest of your group wanted to know if they got hit
they'd have the addon too
chrome falcon
you don't post dps after every key right
urban portal
If there’s a wipe it’s not going to be standing in fire
sick sentinel
you don't post dps after every key right
sick sentinel
10 so far, this is a 12 dos now
urban portal
you don't post dps after every key right
I post healing done as dps
Subtracting the healer
I go for hps parsed
sick sentinel
might have at 15 by end of tonight
dawn canyon
I never Post intterupts
dawn canyon
might have at 15 by end of tonight
sick sentinel
I never Post intterupts<:ratge:890357732543168594>
chrome falcon
posting interrupts would be hilarious
chilly brook
I honestly just make it a point to never group with anyone who has EH
chrome falcon
because tank is also 2x second place
sick sentinel
I honestly just make it a point to never group with anyone who has EH
i remember when a guildie went into a guild key with that shitty addon
and gm kicked him
xd
invited him back
later
made him a trial
dawn canyon
Based
chilly brook
Especially because 9/10 times the person with it literally fails in every aspect of the game
bad healing
bad damage
sick sentinel
Especially because 9/10 times the person with it literally fails in every aspect...
ranged players have that addon
chilly brook
bad mechanics awareness
distant crystal
damn ya'll having a nice little jerk in here
chilly brook
damn ya'll having a nice little jerk in here
yes
distant crystal
brb installing EH
dawn canyon
The holy paladins have this Youtuber they make fun of for a shit Video like that
chilly brook
EH is the Pawn of group content
dawn canyon
Reminds me of that 
sick sentinel
Groans about how cringe it is
i have both of those things installed!
distant crystal
always good to have more metrics to flame your friends about
chilly brook
i have both of those things installed!
uninstall pawn
wtf
why do you have that installed
you're a tank equip ilvl
if it's the same ilvl sim
chilly brook
pawn is literally useless unless you generate a pawn string from a raidbots sim everytime you replace a piece of gear to begin with
sick sentinel
Yogi also uses tukui
i use too many addons basically
steel mist
i noticed that there are some people going crit haste instead oh haste vers
chilly brook
i noticed that there are some people going crit haste instead oh haste vers
crit haste is for more dam
it doesn't matter in the long run
sick sentinel
just take haste
crit increases parry, and if you parry an attack it does zero damage and can reset your revenge, which can reset your SS
that is the short version of why crit
chilly brook
crit increases parry, and if you parry an attack it does zero damage and can res...
no
dawn canyon
i use too many addons basically
Imo you need ui one (ie tuk) weakaura bigwigs and nameplates and ur done for addons (forgor Details)
sick sentinel
partly, and damage
dawn canyon
Maybe oddball shit like gladius
chilly brook
partly, and damage
no
Revenge! is PPM
having more parry has no impact
it's literally just damage
sick sentinel
Imo you need ui one (ie tuk) weakaura bigwigs and nameplates and ur done for add...
twitch emotes
i thought there was an if you parry X can happen, maybe thats SS ?
simcraft
twitch emotes to spam guild chat with :tf:
chilly brook
i thought there was an if you parry X can happen, maybe thats SS ?
Revenge!
sick sentinel
whenever i fail a mechanic in raid
dawn canyon
twitch emotes
Ok true
sick sentinel
astral k eys as well
oh, so thats actually fixed, less or minus haste or cdr maybe
urban portal
Yeah
dawn canyon
I dont have that but i have mdt
sick sentinel
fair
urban portal
X procs *haste
sick sentinel
why are u having a talk about irrelevant info
dawn canyon
P sure weakauras is only mandatory addon
sick sentinel
all secondaries are fine
dawn canyon
Tru
chilly brook
why are u having a talk about irrelevant info
because people like to focus way too much on it
urban portal
Ilvl is op
sick sentinel
because people like to focus way too much on it
ye i guess
sick sentinel
love those at what point does X stat get DR?
u play dps so just sim yoself
and stfu
sick sentinel
ye
stacks can build up really quickly for items with low ICD such as slimey consumptive organ, it has a 20s cd, but its effect can proc pretty quickly the stacks
nome was saying it takes like, a minute, to reach full stacks and with a few extra mobs, i was able to get ( i think 9?) stacks before the 20s cd would be ready
sick sentinel
i personally have no idea about these
sick sentinel
stacks can build up really quickly for items with low ICD such as slimey consump...
.
i just press buttons and hope the soulbind works
so, i noticed when we did some of the fights, those dudes would spawn with the bosses
sick sentinel
no idea what thats about, but we killed a different one, the ranged cross bow guy on one of the bosses im pretty sure, no idea how you tell which cdr vs haste one you do
chilly brook
nah fam everyone just kills urh
sick sentinel
i dunno if i can get awy with doing t he 9.1 route but thats what im tempted to do
dawn canyon
Will be playable
shell shale
Vy is decent with very specific comps and specific boss fights otherwise urh all the way
sick sentinel
healer somehow died to whatever on the 2 tornadoe platforms, probably tornadoes, had to run back
RIP the entire buff
take too long to get healer for 12 dos, would hate wo wait 45 minutes and then group sucks
shell shale
Yeah pugging keys under 15 are something else.
sick sentinel
i've always said if you want to experience hell tank a 16 with full random pugs and and no voice chat
shell shale
Nah 16s are better than 15s
Because 15s are the people just trying to get their max ilvl vault reward
16 is a hit or miss
naive panther
I'd rather run 20s, faster than 15s
shell shale
Yeah I do 20s too
Guys around there do more dmg. Know the dungeons and sometimes interrupt
vernal vale
i should start doing this i hate it so much
vernal vale
P sure weakauras is only mandatory addon
weak auaras is far from mandatory unless there is some stupid boss like the ring boss in SoD
teal swift
weak auaras is far from mandatory unless there is some stupid boss like the ring...
You don't need a weak aura for thst boss.
There are no add-ons that are required to cutting edge, keystone hero, or gladiator.
Gl having the awareness to do high level raiding without some sorta information display
vernal vale
Gl having the awareness to do high level raiding without some sorta information ...
Dbm/big wigs give you timers and shit already.
timber slate
grats
summer perch
What leggo do you guys play for max damage in safe situations? like low keys or lfr
i was playing with signet and its kinda fun bladestorming as prot
timber slate
sick sentinel
well, numbers yes, block, no
thorny stone
spires 14, maytbe
I believe in you yogi
I fucked up my key by accidentally pulling the dragon on ardenweald (DoS) with codex
Going full dps on trinkets from now on
sick sentinel
i dont think this ell happ
teal swift
Dbm/big wigs give you timers and shit already.
And they are not nessesary
Weak auras can replace every other addon as well.
But, what I'm saying.... Is you don't need a single addon.
mighty valley
What leggo do you guys play for max damage in safe situations? like low keys or ...
seismic for keys, in ST it's still just reprisal
chrome falcon
I fucked up my key by accidentally pulling the dragon on ardenweald (DoS) with c...
they haven't fixed this bug???
sick sentinel
its not much but i got this anyway for tomorrow, spires was as you'd except, from me
mighty valley
necro's good if you can play it well
just gotta keep pulling fast and really mash your buttons
cloud onyx
Fair, yea necro looks strong. I was reading its better in a set group rather than pugs
chrome falcon
nah
like you'd think so
but the banner dps you give your group doesn't matter much
you just pop that shit for yourself
mighty valley
used to be that most of the power was in trying to buff busted moonkins or whatever
cloud onyx
Fair, so we just use the banner for mastery and movement speed?
shell shale
Conduit
chrome falcon
and 22% strength and 4 rage per second
mighty valley
it's... an enormous self buff
cloud onyx
Oh yea, thats juicy. Yea I remember something about rotating leap and charge to keep it rolling
mighty valley
just maximize rage in and rage out
cloud onyx
Ok fair, sounds simple enough. Played prot warr end of bfa, played s1 sl with prot pally. Wanted to give warr another try
chrome falcon
you're not doing that to keep banner up
you're already doing it for anger management, and outburst
cloud onyx
Alright cool
tight aurora
wtb NA horde tank for heroic xymox please god i just need some new parses
vast grove
I keep running into an issue while doing mythic dungeons. I dont use mouse over macros, but there are several times when I target enemies the enemies aggro to me, as if I taunted, or used an ability against the target. I will even be outside of the range of taunt or throw weapon and I will still somehow gain aggro. It happens even at the beginning of boss fights.
is this some weird interaction with my gear/abilities? or is this a glitch? I reported it as a bug, but I am not sure what is going on.
queen pumice
@vast grove maybe codex issue
median tulip
It's not bugged. The damage it reflects goes to your primary target. Don't want to pull? Don't target stuff you're not in combat with.
orchid garden
Whenever I switch from fury/arms to prot and have my Unity swap automatically, it bugs aswell.
Just Unequip and equip Unity again.
trim bay
kk, did you just use nfae or venth skip?
raven hatch
do we have a intervene target of target macro kicking about?
thorny stone
they haven't fixed this bug???
They haven't
lofty widget
^sack has the same bug
strong forum
they haven't fixed this bug???
Matrix has the same bug aswell
lime urchin
hello frens
I go tonk Rygelon tonight with mah DK friend
any cool tricks I can do?
timber slate
Do your best
lime urchin
timber slate
I only did LFR xD
Can’t help you much😣
torpid carbon
Rygelon is free as prot
Just make sure to have sb and ip up for tankhit
Demo and sr also when its up
sick sentinel
You know that one pull in spires after first boss, 2 giants withatrols beside it
Well, I charged at the giants while the pat was beside, didn't click in my head till character was charging
timber slate
2 giants with a troll?🤔
timber slate
Lets do a double prot warrior key soon
median tulip
Well, I charged at the giants while the pat was beside, didn't click in my head ...
Pulling the patrol of birds with the 2 collosi is the correct way to pull that platform IMO
lime urchin
That’s an easy reflect into shockwave for big dmg meter
sick sentinel
i just wasn't expecting the second group to pull
wasn't on mdt, got us all fucked up, whole bunch of mana worm things casting magic shit on group and me not having aggro
timber slate
They never interrupt the ranged adds in my case lol
Always have to group it back with the pack😑
sick sentinel
you can do it with intimidating shout as well, but i have cow stomp aoe 8 yard or 5 yard circle stun all around me
so, i do that first, and then SR, if done correctly, they'll all be casting at same time and then SR will reflect all or more of them, not 100% sure how that works
lime urchin
ppl almost always interupt those fuckers for me
just tell the people before you start the key about your flying sneks trick
sick sentinel
well, what i normally do there right is i take the taxi over, and tag 1 of the 2 visibiles, kill that pack, wait for the far patrol beyond 2 giants pack, and tghen go pull giants, once all thats done leap at birds, then i'm first in and i can control the interupt/SR
when i was kyrian, it also gave me a chance to loot spear
Question: Do i have to taunt the square/circle/stars before they are actual kill for monster buffs?like, i see them running around the map...... are they going around meleeing shit?
still freaks me out when i see them spawn on bosses and they follow and "attack' my party
tropic linden
just tell the people before you start the key about your flying sneks trick
Oh
Just forgot we can comunicate with pugs
timber slate
You can target them, but make sure to taunt Urh when he spawns
sick sentinel
when they are just shapes running around the room they are literal zero threat correct?
can't do any melee or any spell, maybe just some aura debuff is what im expecting
timber slate
They have really low hp and i dont think they do any damage
lime urchin
It’s just like any other pack with multiple enemies.
sick sentinel
like i say, its just scary pull a boss and then 3 add thingies pop up and start moving around
i'll get over it
lime urchin
Just forgot we can comunicate with pugs
That sentiment is one of the main reasons playing with pugs is horrible
sick sentinel
quick messages for m+/raids/pvp/ baseline in the game could be nice
median tulip
when they are just shapes running around the room they are literal zero threat c...
Yeah, but ideally you want to Shield Slam Urh so it stays near you. The big guy will always spawn where the little one dies.
Strongly recommend making a "/tar Urh" macro
sick sentinel
i mean, he's 3 times the size of any mob, so its not like its hard to not get the taunt lol
i think i have to put ravager to just set on the ground in front of me though, takes too many gcd's away from me if i try to select it manual
orchid frigate
if i want that extra daily q in ZM - is that part of doing something in the campaign or is it a side q?
strange lintel
I hate that the stealth cats in soa can stun me mid hleap
chrome falcon
Matrix has the same bug aswell
i'm kind of surprised it didn't get abused in mdi for big pulls but i guess it's not consistent to replicate
strong forum
Hard to replicate when it's up for 1sec tops
However
I could pull a pack with bek
That's some next level shit
I got into combat by applying bek to a 100% hp target out of combat
chrome falcon
bizarre
grave crane
if i want that extra daily q in ZM - is that part of doing something in the camp...
You unlock it with the upgrade thing in zereth Mortis
chrome falcon
can't believe the bug isn't fixed, i kinda understood it when no-one was using the trinket at all last patch but it's a very popular choice atm
grave crane
I forgot what it’s called but whatever upgrades the little dude can also unlock extra quest
strong forum
can't believe the bug isn't fixed, i kinda understood it when no-one was using t...
It's actually falling more and more out of favour
Simply cuz the lack of Str is not fucking worth
The only tank who uses it seriously is vdh
And bdks in ultra keys
sick sentinel
when you put it this way, do you really think we need another evoker tank spec lol
sick sentinel
i bet u some guy has gone and taken all the remaining trogdor names on all the servers,
strong forum
4/6 tanks are literally not being used in raid
You have 300 monks 300 bdks on rygelon
Then 5 vdh 3 guardian 5 pallys and 2 pwars or some shit
Adding another tank wouldn't help
chrome falcon
monk players need to get over their stockholm syndrome
sick sentinel
ah surprise guys, my wow magically didn't record my 14 spires some how that i failed immensly on so i can't upload it to youtube for review
oh no
like, it knows it was recorded, cuz it has the APM timeline, the video just poofed
chilly brook
Literally everybody is happy we don't get another tank
Hard disagree
I would have liked to have seen another one personally
sick sentinel
5000% dead video
chilly brook
4/6 tanks are literally not being used in raid
Which has more to do with peoples perception and less about actual balance
strange lintel
Honestly another tank when more than half the ones we got are just outright ignored sounds terrible
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno vdh right now is barely a real spec imo
and atm we're HARD carried by borrowed power
fucking hate druid too tbh
much rather they spend energy on getting the bottom 3 tanks in a better spot than just making some new gimmicky bullshit
sick sentinel
im not sure yet if these dragons will be lame or cool
sick sentinel
but there is the very real possiblity of both polar opposites occuring
we could get some real shit derpy lookin dragon boss makes whole expansion meme
strange lintel
Galakrond / giant leader dude / probably some boss tie in with next xpack
sick sentinel
i'll say that shadowlands right now is inifnitely better than how it launched
still hate the maw, torghast is fun,
urban portal
Why are you going into the maw in the first place
distant crystal
my guildy was miffed that nobody wanted to sell keys all day on weekdays so he started sellinng torghast runs
mf ran like 100 torgs this weekend
median tulip
Who on earth buys Torghast runs?!
distant crystal
fresh boosts
median tulip
The biggest danger in choreghast is falling asleep
distant crystal
gotta get that soul ash/cinders/renown
one was also a prot warrior who needed 2 full layers of TC + 6 floors 
timber slate
im not sure yet if these dragons will be lame or cool
Lame, because its for the furry audience
distant crystal
but dragons aren't furry
median tulip
Are they still Furries when it's a lizard?
timber slate
Scalies
But isnt furry the global term?
Scalies are a subspecies of Furry. Instead of having fur, they have scales or similar
urban portal
^
timber slate
Also its probably gonna be like DH
2-3 buttons rotation
median tulip
Scalies are a subspecies of Furry. Instead of having fur, they have scales or si...
I have to be honest; I could have hapily lived without this information
timber slate
🤣
obtuse monolith
When DH momentum was a thing at least "not falling off" became a minigame
median tulip
DH should not have been a class; it should have been Warlocks 4th (tank) spec
sick sentinel
278 m+ vault incoming
distant crystal
dawn canyon
278 m+ vault incoming
Dude huge! What key did you do for it
urban portal
It’s sad to look at 275 gear
sick sentinel
close enough
urban portal
Cuz they know someone was lazy to do a 15
sick sentinel
i just screwed the key, if i had pushed it i would have completed 15
urban portal
Do you at least have the log
sick sentinel
i got a 4pc, but 2 parts of it are LFR, and i got 80 on NL, so i'm pretty set, its just learning to do rotation
unsure about log, just only 2 wipes was the double pull and we died on start boss 1, pull 1 was fucky as well (no group los they went with me)
timber slate
U did 4.8k in a 14 DoS 🤔
urban portal
How do u know
dense pewter
Is Unstoppable Force still not worth running when you get 4pc?
urban portal
Is Unstoppable Force still not worth running when you get 4pc?
It’s not worth running in shadowlands
Try going back to bfa
dense pewter
If I could turn back time 
spiral warren
Shoulders or trinket probably ?
timber slate
Get the shoulder and turn them into a tier piece
sick sentinel
i think take the shoulders and exchange them for set and then upgrade set pieces
i thought i heard the trinket is bad and its low ilvl, seems interesting
sick sentinel
cant upgrade shield from lfr right?
upper spoke
So' Leah's Secret Technique from vault any good?
jagged pier
its meh
median tulip
It's a solid enough chunk of stats
sick sentinel
if it was my 275 reward..... yeah....
median tulip
I wish it lasted an hour though. 30 mins is not enough
sick sentinel
depends is it a 30 minute cd to use or 3
theres a joke about the panda dungeon where you have to bomb a gate there
ocean yoke
oh yeah got a 6 ilvl higher cloak from vault now we are gaming
upper spoke
278 from vault so'leah's
sick sentinel
well, i got upgrade to tier shoulders
timber slate
Im using m0 tier piece
sick sentinel
omg i might have done that 14 without a cloak
civic torrent
Matrix has the same bug aswell
I tried this earlier on my pala to pull through the wall in a mots but wasnt successful
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lofty widget
I tried this earlier on my pala to pull through the wall in a mots but wasnt suc...
sack works for this
craggy pilot
dawn canyon
huge gamer 
gray iris
hey guys which trinket is better? Soleah's one or bladedancer?
sacred timber
<:literallytrash:752422340150820914>
:PogChamp:
gray iris
damn gonna do +16 sd as a necro for the first time...im nervous xd
dawn canyon
youll be fine
gray iris
is there a way to see banner uptime?
dawn canyon
in details you can check under buff uptime iirc
gray iris
oh okay thanks...ill make weakauras i think
sick sentinel
safe thistle
I still prefer kyrian for key but gonna try Necro again soon. Group want spear for jailer mc
woven lance
How does intervene's "intercept damage" function work? Like if I intervene to someone when they have the phantasmal parasite on them on Kul'Tharok, does that help reduce the damage? What about if they're getting targeted by a dark bolt or something? Will I intercept that?
limber linden
Is shield slam damage still affected by block value?
dawn canyon
How does intervene's "intercept damage" function work? Like if I intervene to so...
safeguard reduces the damage taken
intervene just eats white hits
chrome falcon
Is shield slam damage still affected by block value?
not for about 13 years sir
limber linden
I'm showing my WoW age. Thanks.
gray iris
damn got annihilated in 16+ SD. Necrotic is tough as fuck
dark lark
Edit: I'm wrong
woven lance
Does using outburst on thunderclap affect the movement speed part?
sick sentinel
I want to try out tanking and as a fury main I obv wanna stay in warrior but prot is getting a lot of hate. Is it really that bad compared to other specs?
jagged pier
No
jagged pier
Does using outburst on thunderclap affect the movement speed part?
Yes but its not worth it
woven lance
How does that work? 40% movement speed reduction x 200% = 120%?
Does it become a root?
woven lance
Why 20%?
sick sentinel
wait
jagged pier
Shouldnt be used on TC ever
sick sentinel
whats the wording used
fuckin, kill an enemy, vs defeat and enemy levels shit going on here
woven lance
Shouldnt be used on TC ever
I see Tattman and Deoww use it on TC frequently
sick sentinel
200% more effective
so, it takes base number already calculated, and then times that by 2, and adds that
jagged pier
I see Tattman and Deoww use it on TC frequently
Just because their streamers doesnt make them correct
woven lance
But tbf they are pushing the highest keys in the world
sick sentinel
WTB piercing howl for prot on double the cd
woven lance
Yeah, how does prot deal with necrotic?
sick sentinel
bounding stride or kyrian potion or externals
chrome falcon
you have an aoe stun and two mobility spells
necrotic is a joke
intervene your ranged/healer or just leap away
or just press shockwave and backpedal
shut summit
definitely points in m+ where using it on tclap for threat isn't wrong, it definitely isnt ideal but saying "never" isnt quite right
sick sentinel
kleia kyrian makes you litterally immune to necrotic for a short duration
shut summit
when you play with good enough players / you dont have tricks someone pulling just instakills them
sick sentinel
but, yeah, if you can't do any of that, y ou just coordinate with healer/range dps to stand at max range
intervene awy and have group effort slows
chrome falcon
doesn't necrotic last 4 seconds
woven lance
I think it's 5 sec
jagged pier
Necrotic wasnt a thing before the 2 nerfs, not a thing now
chrome falcon
so yeah literally just
sick sentinel
yes, well, if your at 39 stacks and got 10 dudes attacking you, 4 seconds can be forver
chrome falcon
shockwave and walk away a bit
sick sentinel
and elites don't get hit by alot of cc or slows
chrome falcon
if the pack has casters and you have some crit you can literally just rng reset
sick sentinel
right oh its only 4 seconds, well, pretend its your driving a car on a road average speed and you get driving debuff XYZ for 4 seconds, your still in the car the car is still moving,
urban portal
tclap and leap away
its not that hard
and then you good
intervene a ranged
you have a lot of ways to get out
chilly brook
But tbf they are pushing the highest keys in the world
just because someone is doing highest keys or doing RWF does not mean they play the spec correctly or optimally
If it did
Sco would be relevant again
jagged pier
i mean its the first ive heard of tattman doing the highest keys but meh i dont really watch streamers so 🤷
woven lance
Who's Sco?
chilly brook
Leader of old Method
and new Method I guess
Multi world first tank
Also plays terribly from a optimization standpoint, he literally didn't press shield block in BFA and called the class terrible
timber slate
just because someone is doing highest keys or doing RWF does not mean they play ...
Said the same thing on reddit and got alot of downvote🤣
jagged pier
i mean u wouldnt be able to see with his ui tbh
chilly brook
80% of the time playing at a high level has more to do with just doing basic gameplay mechanics well and surrounding yourself with others who do the same
Not necessarily playing the individual specs at a super high level
This applies more to tanks than literally any other role
chilly brook
Said the same thing on reddit and got alot of downvote🤣
Reddit is the worst tbh
I'm perma karma'd because I dared to say some design decisions were not great and that a certain company needs to figure out a direction they want to go in and stick with it or they'll never release a game and just continue wasting money reworking systems from the ground up every year until they run out of money from selling spaceship jpegs
but hey, 10 years later and still no single player campaign that was supposed to come out 8 years ago
strong forum
Anytime you mention anything positive about pwar or go against the mainstream opinion of pwar you get mass downvoted
jagged pier
strong forum
I made 3 comments in all of SL and I got around 350 downvotes and -26 karma
jagged pier
how it should be
keep us bad in the eye even tho we are now one of the top tanks
KEKW
dawn canyon
Who cares about reddit karma
dawn canyon
jagged pier
he is tho
strong forum
And oh boi, people don't like it when you point out how bad nerf is at playing tanks
jagged pier
his vengance play yesterday made me
strong forum
"but he's top 5 tanks World, how could he be there if he was bad"
dawn canyon
And oh boi, people don't like it when you point out how bad nerf is at playing t...
nerfs vs naowh/lepan bdk is so jarring
strong forum
Yup...
dawn canyon
naowh using MC'd pf shield boy to block rain on stradama
chilly brook
And oh boi, people don't like it when you point out how bad nerf is at playing t...
Like I said it's far less about how well you play the individual specs of tanks at a high level and more about how well you just generally play the game
strong forum
Nerf is good at playing dungeons, but not good at playing the class he's playing
chilly brook
Reliable, but that's about it
which is really all you care about in RWF high level prog
strong forum
Well it's the trait most valuable in a tank
Ideally you should be able to slap phatty dam aswell tho
chilly brook
sure but no one cares
unless you just can't meet a damage check without it
the unfortunate reality of it
dawn canyon
method is blessed with 2 other great tanks
dawn canyon
cant go wrong with andy 
cant commend on rwf consistency but in keys their play is rock solid
smoky warren
What's the best banner uptime you guys have been able to get in dungeons? I seem to consistently get 65%. I'm thinking that could be higher but not sure what the max can be
jagged pier
93%
strong forum
Max is 95%+ in combat that I've seen
Emphasis on "in combat" aka from details
Logs counts downtime so it'll be alot less
chilly brook
What's the best banner uptime you guys have been able to get in dungeons? I seem...
I'm averaging around 85% iirc
cobalt cloud
have any of you tried the snap pull on the 3rd boss of sanguine depths? having a rogue tricks you, aggro the boss, vanish or whatever rogues do, and the whole room snaps to you?
mental scarab
Hu
tropic linden
Why tho?
primal cape
only thing i know is i was killing adds on room and codex literally reflect on boss when last mob died sadge
tropic linden
At least all the mobs were dead
urban portal
i find that AFE really match with necro, bye codex
until your AFE procs on charge
and you wanna kys
brittle siren
not very used to this acronyms what does AFE mean ?
fathom jetty
Is wearing a ring without haste just a mistake at this point? Could make a sizeable ilvl ring upgrade to a vers/mast ring with socket, or just change out one 278 shield for one with haste
lofty widget
not very used to this acronyms what does AFE mean ?
trinket from spires
brittle siren
ah the area of haste ?
lofty widget
yea
brittle siren
and you wanna kys
then I agree with that
lofty widget
Is wearing a ring without haste just a mistake at this point? Could make a sizea...
how big is sizable?
fathom jetty
23 ilvl
lofty widget
probably the ring then if your haste doesnt drop too low
fathom jetty
Short term I'd imagine the ring is better, but if I'd rather just grab a 272 non socketed haste ring over 278 with socket, I think I'd rather grab the shield?
Just curious how important haste on rings is, I guess
lofty widget
well it's our best stat and since jewellry doesnt have main stat you c an generally drop a few ilvls to get haste
wouldnt drop more than 13-16 ilvls tho
but if you have 272 haste ring available then the shield is def the pick
urban portal
Short term I'd imagine the ring is better, but if I'd rather just grab a 272 non...
278 with socket is much better than 272 with haste
socket is like 10 ilvl
fathom jetty
Thanks. Don't think I can resist an ilvl upgrade with socket anyway
timber slate
vers or haste gem?
lofty widget
haste
sick sentinel
whats primary targets for upgrading valor? weapon/shield set and trinket prioritizing items with haste?
lyric geode
Guys, what is the new dk position now with the strength nerf?
urban portal
yeah shields too
free i thought you were an expert on tank balance, what happened
you were telling us the nerf didnt do anything, then said dk was unplayable, then they changed it to a much less harsh nerf
sick sentinel
honestly, no idea why my outplayed is getting all fucked up, but i'm going to upload it when it does record a full video one of these times
lyric geode
free i thought you were an expert on tank balance, what happened
?
Still I believe as it is right now Bdk is perfectly balanced and not overpowered. The new nerfs will cripple the spec.
lofty widget
it's definitely too strong atm
lyric geode
Still, banner>>>DRW uptime.
urban portal
nerfing DRW uptime made blood unplayable
lyric geode
maintaining 100% uptime on banner is SOO GOOD and stronog
urban portal
missing a dice roll on blood means lights out
and that can happen over a course of 11 minutes
this nerf is much more reasonable
lofty widget
how much uptime can dks get on their drw?
lyric geode
That is why it is too harsh imho, its nerf
lyric geode
Omfg, their damage output is tied to gavel. Nerfing gavel wouldnt AFFECT their survivibility ffs
urban portal
then we give another 4% to every other 2h strength class?
lofty widget
nerfing gavel affects other specs too tho
lyric geode
Nerfing gavel for tank specs. Which means only bdks
urban portal
how do you propose they do that in an elegantly coded way
aura buffs only affects class abilities
lyric geode
Imagine an overpowered weapon, that is designed in the hands of dps, it can be yield by tank too
urban portal
i mean im totally down to nerf gavel btw
so i dont have to hit up jailer every week
you just cant collateral 5 specs because of blood dk
lyric geode
You can nerf it only for tanks though
urban portal
yes how do you word it so it only nerfs it for tanks
because as it stands you cant nerf a proc for a specific spec
lyric geode
only tanks can yield gavel
urban portal
so you say "gavel now does x% less damage if wielded by a tank spec"
do you realize how awkward that sounds
urban portal
borrowed power doesnt change between classes and specs
a phial does just as much damage on arms as frost mage
thats not how the game works
i propose just give gavel some secondary stats and nerf the proc
lyric geode
borrowed power doesnt change between classes and specs
You do realise for an entire item, the whole spec went to the garbage
urban portal
this game is all illusion of balance, you balance a class based on their best gear
not their bumfuck ilvl 250 counterpart
lyric geode
Now with the strength nerf everyone is unhappy.
They got their survivability reduced
urban portal
if you can write a coherent sentence that could go into the patch notes to nerf gavel specifically for blood, do it
shell shale
The strength nerf is instead of the dancing rune wep one
urban portal
They got their survivability reduced
blizzard literally said both offense and defense was a target for nerfs
lofty widget
it's like, if fury did too much dmg you wouldnt go nerfing 2 handers specifically for them just because they can dual wield
you'd tune down their abilities or whatever instead
lyric geode
Blizzard didnt let banner 100% uptime for fury on live...
shell shale
It wasn't 100% for fury was it?
lofty widget
exactly, and they also nerfed their tier instead of some weird specific item nerf
urban portal
it was neither 100% on fury nor blood
on fury it was quite long yes
but that was patchwerk full bis
safe thistle
they increased the rage needed to reduce banner cd on fury so they cant acheive 100% uptime yes
lyric geode
They honestly, dont know what they want
safe thistle
but thy did that before unity came out
lyric geode
Its like your girlfriend, Do you want to do that. At first yes, then actually no.
urban portal
the thing about DRW is that you will literally die to jailer in 2 autos
if you dont have it
safe thistle
same with shieldd block
urban portal
even with DRW up you had a 20% chance to die instantly
with shield block up we will never die
safe thistle
if its down you die
lyric geode
Yes, i know. I am saying that
safe thistle
thats why you have other cd
urban portal
but blood doesnt have any other cds
safe thistle
ibf, VB, lichborne
lyric geode
Nerf gavel. And it would only affect damage only
safe thistle
dude play the class
urban portal
the thing about blood dk is that they are dying RANDOMLY
safe thistle
lichborne conduit give nearly 20% reduced dmg
urban portal
you know when shield block is down
you dont know when you are going to die with DRW up
even in the #1 blood parse it happened
they wouldve wiped with DRW up if the guy didnt get a 6% parry
safe thistle
serioulsy i play both class and dk right now during DRW are stupid you dont need any other defensive you only go all out dps
timber slate
full set achieved
World boss dropped the helm
lyric geode
you know when shield block is down
With less strength you have reduced HPS on death strikes
Arent i wrong?
safe thistle
warrior is way tankier on jailer i dont get it why they were totally ignored
lyric geode
Arent i right**
lyric geode
Because the damage is magical
urban portal
Because the damage is magical
damage is not magical
people are dying to jailer autos
safe thistle
its all physical except the pillar dmg
urban portal
nothing else
the autos doing 300k unmitigated
prot warrior would be hypothetically decent
safe thistle
thats why warrior are better than other tanks
urban portal
but we need to ask sense
safe thistle
the onnly time i died is other tank didnt taunt on swap and i have debuff and get obliterated
otherwise the dmg received is not that scary for healere compared to ther class
hell , i need way less EHPS than monk
lyric geode
EHPS?\
safe thistle
you gotta look at EHPS on logs not hps
safe thistle
for any tank you look at ehps though
lofty widget
also a valuable metric in m+
safe thistle
warrior in m+ make healer dps !!! 😛
lyric geode
he healed me
safe thistle
nah its at the same place as hps but you gotta check EHPS
lofty widget
have to log your run to see ehrps
lyric geode
i am between 25-30%
ok
Also, I am leveling a discipline priest. Honestly , i love bdks now
I am in sleep mode
going to hate monk because they dont heal themselves
shell shale
Monks heal themselves with tier
lyric geode
as a healer i hate when i press buttons other than smite
safe thistle
you should go holy you would have more uptime to dps than disc haha
shell shale
Yeah disc is sadge atm
lyric geode
you should go holy you would have more uptime to dps than disc haha
I know, I just like discipline more
lyric geode
Somehow , it wasnt felt that way
shell shale
Prob bad monk
lyric geode
well, i am low. So i dont know what to expect
shell shale
Id say veng dh is the scariest to heal currently
They basically last tiers blood dk
Hp just yo yos
lyric geode
I havent healed a protection warrior though
shell shale
Lol you won't have to even if you in a key with one
lyric geode
well, I dont expect to heal though
shell shale
xD
shell shale
People be hella skeptical of us too.
lyric geode
?
shell shale
They like hmmmm prot war idk about this
lyric geode
I had a group that was bitching about me
I wouldnt be able to survive or something in a Gambit 21. we did it on time obviously
lyric geode
There shall be an option to skip all zereth mortis in my humble opinion
Also, reputation is account wide with the highest score
Some QoL
distant crystal
wym you can already skip all of ZM
lyric geode
I mean the rep requirements for changing crystals with soul ashes is behind honored
scenic mural
You open it, go to korthia, do the exchange and send the boa ash and cinders to alt
distant crystal
^
you do lose llike 15% or so
personally i'd rather use my main's flux though
it can be precious on alts between crafting leggos and catalyzing tier
scenic mural
Yeah its worth the tradeoff, my mains flux has paid for all my alts leges, so the flux from campaign can go towards tier
distant crystal
The biggest QoL they could do is make all/most currencies account-wide, and give an account-wide "consumables bank" that you can use consumables from without putting them in your bags
i have flasks/pots/food spread all over the damn place
random trap alt that i don't play has 9 flasks and 50 int pots while my main is begging for a longboy when i start the key lol
safe thistle
well our bags are so huge now you can get an addon like Adibags
and with the readycheck if you click the grayed out food buff you forgot it will automaticly eat/use run/flask/stam patch
sick sentinel
warrior in m+ make healer dps !!! 😛
true
subtle perch
Still working on getting used to warrior tanking, switching from my bdk/vdh
safe thistle
i have a pally /war /bdk so far as tank i only tank
the tankiest and most fun one is warrior, but very penalizing if you screw up cant just death strike 😛
i dont even know why warrior are under-radar and said to be shit when jailer isnt even scary on them
uncut notch
i dont even know why warrior are under-radar and said to be shit when jailer isn...
Jailer is pisssssssssss
In my limited experience healing, BDK i can just ignore and cleave heal/beacon
Gdruid is spicy outside of incarn windows
Prot Pal is gucci until theyre out of defensives and then its just dumping heals into them
Prot warrior is a very like, linear decline
safe thistle
and still tanks just die to autos 😛
uncut notch
In my experience its rare for a pwar to just get like, blown up
but ppal its common
But ive only healed up to like, 18s
safe thistle
oh ya ppal its crazy scary i dont like tanking on mine 😛
uncut notch
so its low keys still
frosty holly
I love my ppal it's ridiculously easy to play and thats with me often helping out with word of glory healing
safe thistle
i checked some twitch off tanks..... druid tank on anduin was running around with back on big add on banished realm
i was like why do you think your dying
frosty holly
At least with 4 set you have extra holy power often.
I feel like running with your back to mobs/bosses when moving is what pugs often do
chilly brook
i checked some twitch off tanks..... druid tank on anduin was running around wit...
I mean for a druid it doesn't matter nearly as much
The only thing they're doing is removing dodge from the table and they're not evasion tanks
frosty holly
I remember back in the day where you could get so good gear on a druid bosses started hitting you for so little you had no rage for attacks
meaning you could not hold aggro
sick sentinel
this is no garuntee that i'll get a video out, but if i do and i'll share it to log reviews, and main thing i'll be looking for is why i'm not performing rotation correctly, because not doing enough ST dps
chrome falcon
there is no rotation
press shield slam when it procs
press revenge when you have rage
sick sentinel
confused where you fight the boss here since you don't kill the guys in center, yellow to green with wo and fight boss 1 where green group is and then wo to stairs?
timber slate
good luck killing Halkias without pulling the middle guys
safe thistle
confused where you fight the boss here since you don't kill the guys in center, ...
thats a bad route
timber slate
you can download Dratnos route if you want to play easy/safe
safe thistle
this is what i normally do
if your ballzy and got good interrupt you could put the first and second pull togehter 😛
sick sentinel
i'm rather more towards timid
safe thistle
with ahlls anyway if its not timed with a good route its because dps sucked
timber slate
Dps not interrupting bolts on fortified week
orchid mural
Codex of the first technique - did a PF the other day where some trash stuff got pulled randomly. this trink was the only difference in my gear. Does this trink reflect damage in a wierd way?
lofty widget
yeah, the trinket proc pulls stuff if you target it
sack has the same "bug", and so does matrix from SoD
obtuse monolith
Ugh necrotic week
lofty widget
rather necrotic than grievous
plush tendon
speak for yourself -_-
old flame
Hello warrior frens
it is vault day
I come for your wisdom
I'm leaning towards bracers
i have good rings, helm would be for mog
bracers also have a socket
lofty widget
is bracers ilvl upgrade? if so that's the pick 👍
old flame
have 252 bracers right now
lofty widget
bracers for sure, trinkets are horrible, ring has bad stats (and low ilvl) and helmet is lower ilvl
old flame
I figured that was the play, I just wanted to consult the wisdom of the discord before doing something rash
many thanks
urban portal
Wrist is not the play if you play arms
old flame
i tank things on my warrior. this is all that I do on my warrior unless someone wants a laugh at me as i play fury lol
safe thistle
well if he doesnt have 4p and helm give it its more dps than the wrist for sure
naive panther
hmmm 278 tier legs vs 278 shield
urban portal
Shield
safe thistle
always shield
naive panther
keep in mind I can have 272 of either
lofty widget
shield
naive panther
shield is crit verse, current one is crit haste
lofty widget
doesnt matter
safe thistle
its all about block value
lofty widget
ilvl is higher, so it's better
old flame
well if he doesnt have 4p and helm give it its more dps than the wrist for sure
have 5 pieces of tier, running unity hat at 291
safe thistle
the only way youll replace that shield is lords mythic one
naive panther
yeah it does
complicate it further i normally play fury in m+ but lately having fun with prot hence doing prot spec already ahve double 278 2hander. so pants would be better for fury, but not sure it's enough to matter
safe thistle
you just sims the legs to see if you wanna pick them
if they are a good upgrade to your fury
but if your serious for prot just take shield 😛 if its Off-spec i can understand
vernal vale
well i got a 278 shield even if it doesnt have any haste on it
other choices where the stupid armor kit trinket
and 278 legs which i already have
mighty valley
shield stats are negligible, any 278 is great
vernal vale
shield stats are negligible, any 278 is great
yeah, i was happy to see one period
chrome falcon
that should be a war crime
just back tank jailer and say that you can't play monk because you die if you get bad dodge rng but warrior has no rng just press shield block
🙂
patent osprey
i think the spears in p2 probably wreck prot war
but i havent had the chance to try it :(*
torpid junco
Kyrian over necro this week right ?
mighty egret
cinder nova
Not reflecting the melee part of the combo to keep up DPS
0/10
Soulcrusher does no damage anyway, just press ShB and you'll be fine.
glass bluff
the shield off first boss any good?
oblique garnet
i think the spears in p2 probably wreck prot war
Nah its fine
deep steppe
Finally 
median tulip
Finally <a:catjam:741127114845061211>
gz
deep steppe
tyty
median tulip
Doing Mythic Spires. Have a Hunter and a Paladin in the group. Who do we think ends up having to catch all of the balls on the 3rd boss?
God I hate pugs
timber slate
Finally <a:catjam:741127114845061211>
sand pebble
Hunter and pally lose dps in burn phase to do all, you soak them all - thats what i told the tank the other day when i was on my hunter and they believed me
tame ledge
I have a 272 neck with avoidance. The same neck showed up in the vault at 278 with no avoidance. Im thinking the play is to just keep the 272. What do you guys think?
oblique flare
spectral reach in ToP on the kultharok boss, that doesnt do damage right? it just "deflects" aka negates the dmg it would have done? so no point in trying to cheese it somehow?
urban portal
I have a 272 neck with avoidance. The same neck showed up in the vault at 278 wi...
well if theres nothing better to do i would take the 278
avoidance helps you live rot which tanks should never die to
tame ledge
Yeah the other choices dont help at all. So I guess ill take that 278 then.
median tulip
Avoidance is just AoE damage. That stuff is almost never a threat to a tank (if it can kill you, then it should have been interrupted/stunned/else)
shell shale
It seems urh doesnt heal through necrotic this week :C
ruby locust
Finally <a:catjam:741127114845061211>
tame jasper
Doing Mythic Spires. Have a Hunter **and** a Paladin in the group. Who do we thi...
I always soak them so dps can dps 🤷♂️ SR, SW and Aegis ftw
tame jasper
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G1NpzqgYFbj47AcZ#fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
Wtf. Wanna do mythic jailer 😳
uncut notch
It seems urh doesnt heal through necrotic this week :C
Greaaaaaaaat
uncut notch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/G1NpzqgYFbj47AcZ#fight=1&type=damage-done&p...
I genuinely can’t process this
jagged pier
why? i dont know how many times me and nome have said that we are one of the best execute specs in the game, but its true
dawn canyon
this is the funny part to me
uncut notch
why? i dont know how many times me and nome have said that we are one of the be...
The fact that the average execute was 35k is the bit that I’m struggling with
I hit a 30k execute and I’m screaming
Let alone have that is the AVERAGE
jagged pier
no thats average crit
which is should be anyway
as u run ashen
so after 8 execute u crit most of them
uncut notch
I optimistically ran AJ yesterday for our prog raid
Spent 3 hours dying in p1 of anduin
little marsh
How noticeable is that extra block from the first boss shield?
Is it our bis or a haste vers shield would be better?
lofty widget
it's bis defensively at equal ilvl, obviously worse offensively since it doesnt have secondaries
little marsh
Even with the on use?
lofty widget
you just keep it in defensive mode, the offense mode is like 10 dps
uncut notch
Whats the verdict on pocket protoforge?
Have 278 scale and an old mythic Shard
cant see it being better
Wowhead reckons its BIS
lofty widget
nah it's not better than either of those
uncut notch
kk - ilvl upgrade it is, cheers bud
median tulip
I always soak them so dps can dps 🤷♂️ SR, SW and Aegis ftw
I expected the Pally to do them as healer
tame jasper
I expected the Pally to do them as healer
Ah thought pala was retri, cause imo healpala this season struggels hard (at least the some I played with)
lyric geode
Now that the nerf on bdk went live. What is its new spot?
Is it doomsaying just like people have predicted or it is still viable ?
lime urchin
Is it doomsaying just like people have predicted or it is still viable ?
Viable for what?
lyric geode
In terms of survivibility and dmg
strong forum
It would've been viable even with the full on nerf
Just wouldn't be a world first contender for keys anymore
And probably still isn't anymore the higher you go
strong forum
crazy how some chinese pwarr did a 26 top with seismic
Nice
Nice fucking dps loss
He also did streets 25 as kyrian + seismic
And took more than 3x the dmg of sense and did 2k less dps
Big worth
blazing condor
ToP - the dungeon with immense seismic value
median tulip
What is the best AoE DPS trinket atm?
median tulip
Isn't that a pain to play around?
runic sparrow
how is prot feeling so far in sfo?
jagged pier
👍
ionic fern
👍
runic sparrow
👍
lyric geode
Best ST spec. Best survivibility spec. Honestly, one of the top tanks atm
runic sparrow
Best ST spec. Best survivibility spec. Honestly, one of the top tanks atm
Best survivibility spec kekw
ionic fern
Let us stay underrated.
blazing condor
we wanna fly under the radar
ionic fern
Best place.
blazing condor
just let us be "shit"
lyric geode
👍
runic sparrow
gonna come claim my rank 1's on my warrior once jailer falls down
jagged pier
rank1 of 5 KEKW
runic sparrow
🙂