Are you the guy that streams protection warrior?
#protection
urban portal
1 more day until hall guilds either reroll prot war or play double brew 
unique cloak
They'll run double brew, most people arent capable of changing their mind about a class
brisk sparrow
with reprisal - is it worth to leap out and charge back in - or stun and walk out? seems like a lot of downtime to me and possibly having mobs/bosse reposition at times
ocean yoke
you can stun and walk out for a charge without any issue usually, might be wanna careful with leaps to not turn your back to mobs but can do that too
shut summit
Are you the guy that streams protection warrior?
sometimes
oblique garnet
with reprisal - is it worth to leap out and charge back in - or stun and walk ou...
You can game the reprisal charge with minimal movement as there are always packs where mobs arent fully stacked so you dont have to move really far
but charge leap is also a valid way to do so
brisk sparrow
I see, thank you both - when it comse to raidbosses - is it still a thing?
brisk sparrow
thank you very much ๐ will have to do that more often then! thought it wasn't really worth to use the globals
or maybe the one global if down correctly I guess^^
chrome falcon
it's 40 rage, a free revenge and 4 seconds of shield block
that's better than any of your globals
chrome falcon
well it counts for BSC
ocean yoke
with bsc
oblique garnet
I guess but in raids you probably arent playing bsc
chrome falcon
yee
oblique garnet
I dont know that much on raid tanking these days
tepid bobcat
Managed to work up to my first 20 as prot, wiped on the second boss on NW. Tricky to get agro on all the addโs
brisk sparrow
well when you put it that way....it sounds quite a lot better...I didn't put much thought into it, it seems^^
thanks for clearing that up!
oblique garnet
Np its what we are here for
chrome falcon
i don't even need to click the video to know what this is
charge/intervene through the pool during tentacles?
distant crystal
you can leap it tho right
mortal pilot
can someone point me towards a prot spec/build for just slamming some 15/16 mostly focused on damage
distant crystal
kyrian w/ seismic leggo
mortal pilot
what talents do you run? w/ 4p
I dont even know the the standard talents are, it's been ages since I tanked on warrior
raven hatch
never been caught out in it before
ocean yoke
what talents do you run? w/ 4p
raven hatch
had to be in my 24 key right
oblique garnet
You can play CT or BS its personal preference
timber slate
Punish is meta
oblique garnet
Punish slaps in pvp
candid path
Punish? More like Funish!
strong forum
:noted:
craggy pilot
also the fact that he has ++12 streets as highest key :<<
craggy pilot
so hard to get into keys as DPS lol
on my DPS alt, with 2700 rio from main Prot warr
no invited for any 15, even tho i timed 7+
sturdy sable
also the fact that he has ++12 streets as highest key :<<
I ran a 19 top (my key) on my pally with a +8 as my highest this week is literally a joke
craggy pilot
only can get invited to PF because i am Necro ๐คฃ
craggy pilot
when i list 18s on my server, i get no signups ๐ค
takes forever to find healers
just trying to get in a DOS for specific loot, but guess i just need to do my own key 100 times until i get DOS :<
safe thistle
would you go aegis/phial or ows/phial for m+
chrome falcon
well he didn't list either of those as possible options
and codex scale isn't even a good trinket pair
lyric geode
ows/phial
lyric geode
@chrome falcon what is the best trinket pair?
sick sentinel
wooden ivy
Seeing a lot of warrior pop up. Are they sleeper OP in m+? ๐
timber slate
The tentacles are following the rythm of the song lol
lofty widget
Seeing a lot of warrior pop up. Are they sleeper OP in m+? ๐
yes
sick sentinel
if played well yes, not if they are played the way i play
wooden ivy
Is banner the reason tho?
chilly brook
partially
sick sentinel
main offenders would be not using enough buttons and not using shield block bread and butter correct, facing it in correct direction
chilly brook
the tldr is that prot was fine
always was
the combination of banner, double legendary, tier set and the recent buffs just compound together
wooden ivy
I see
sick sentinel
so, if your pwar tank can hit buttons and face the enemy with SB up, should be good
wooden ivy
Plus druid and DK nerfs now
timber slate
People prefer wheelchair spec
Thats why they dont play warriors
chilly brook
Prot also just never is popular unless it's broken or has something that makes it insanely fun
Banner happens to be the latter
Also ngl
doing 10.4k DPS on Desausage as a tank is hilarious
sick sentinel
prot warrior is fantastic if you have a group with comms a night mare in a pug with no comms
chrome falcon
doing 10.4k DPS on Desausage as a tank is hilarious
orchid garden
Prot warrior Is just ultra fun, charging around all the time etc.
Btw your tips helped a lot. I now had several situations with 100% banner uptime for a lot of pulls ๐
sick sentinel
like let me tell you, if you get some good ppl in your group at your brain wave level, and then you tell them what you need them to do, its so god damn satisfying
cuz, warrior just kinda needs the social element of talking to ppl directing
chrome falcon
@chilly brook jailer is giga scary ofc but i'm really looking forward to it on mythic
take heirmir soulbind and get 2 execute phases
chilly brook
<@133532617940140032> jailer is giga scary ofc but i'm really looking forward to...
haven't tried it yet
timber slate
i thought Ret pallys sucked
chrome falcon
ret does suck
chrome falcon
my ret paladin got rank 1 on something a few nights ago
brave dragon
Am I trolling by running sigil/crab trink. I have OPC but it doesn't feel as good. Don't have sack/phial.
chrome falcon
and my surv hunter who did like 200 dps more was rank 300
sick sentinel
Ret always has been and always will be good spec, people meme on it but its amazing
chilly brook
Ret is legit top 10 DPS rn
timber slate
Also how do you do good ST dps, guides say to use revenge only when you have a proc?
chrome falcon
no
honestly never read guys after the launch patch
they never get updated so they have super bad info on them
just mash revenge
literally just mash your buttons
sick sentinel
2handed warrior of the light and you call god mode bubble, perfect noob class
timber slate
Ok good
chrome falcon
SS when you have SS, revenge if you don't, TC if you're super low rage
chilly brook
and my surv hunter who did like 200 dps more was rank 300
Ret is like #8 in overall stats in Sepulchre
at 95th
chrome falcon
@brave dragon both of those trinkets are very bad in m+ but if you don't have alternatives then eh what can you do
chilly brook
It just so happens that survival is #3
sick sentinel
NEVER EVER SPEND OUTBURST (set bonus) ON TC
chilly brook
And the top 4 specs are just so dummy ahead of everything else
sick sentinel
only SS outburst, and with SB up for extra dmg and other CD's maybe? avatar demo etc
brave dragon
<@169270426327973888> both of those trinkets are very bad in m+ but if you don't...
Farm PF and cry I guess.
sick sentinel
did we ever see any MDI usage of the engineer ghost busters banish trap, or the purple orb thing that flings enemies around? shame that those items went so unforgotten could have had alot of potential in dungeons if you don't have a warlock and somethings vulnerable to lock banish
1st boss PF main one i could think of i'd drop the trap and we'd lust and kill the main boss
sick sentinel
i have an 8 mists in my bags but im refusing to do it atm because i don't feel like looking stupid about not knowing the targets for maze or boss 2
sick sentinel
had no clue what i was doing boss 1 gambit, boss 2 i remember but i hate doing that one i need a strategy for the boss is all
median tulip
i have an 8 mists in my bags but im refusing to do it atm because i don't feel l...
The maze is just "use a weakaura"
The 2nd boss is easier because you can see all the symbols, just go for the odd one out. In any case it's not your problem as tank
strong forum
I've never used the weak aura
It's a simple memory game at best
Or just a "what is the only symbol that is unique"
Takes literally 5sec
oblique garnet
the route is determined after 2 first ones anyways
If you have good enough memory you will remember it based on the first 2 ones
without weakauras
median tulip
It's going to be hilarious in around 11.0 when its a levelling dungeon and nobody remembers how to do the maze
lyric geode
HELLO M+ dungeon keysters
jagged pier
The maze is just "use a weakaura"
its not a WA its a healer job
lyric geode
ฮ am finally 3k rio player :D
dense hound
lyric geode
ty
tame jasper
gratz
craggy pilot
is it still possible to cancel the retch on Skolex if you stack?
ebon tartan
henlo peeps, what missives for pwarr leggos?
lofty widget
haste vers
strong forum
Haste + X(vers for general use, crit if you're cool)
chrome falcon
yes nielsen that's the strat for mythic
ebon tartan
tyty
craggy pilot
yes nielsen that's the strat for mythic
ah ok
not sure if its worth trying with my guild tho ๐คฃ
oblique garnet
How are you planning on killing boss otherwise
jagged pier
easiest time as well as he wont melee someone if they are slow
chrome falcon
yeah if your guild can't stack on a preset point with uh
10 seconds warning
you might be in trouble
craggy pilot
yea we usually stack when the retch happens
but usually people are not fast enough for it to cancel the retch
orchid garden
its not a WA its a healer job
Can confirm this as healer.
chrome falcon
@craggy pilot we have a grip rotation for our bdk and you can also put a gateway down for the melee but it shouldn't be hard
craggy pilot
<@270309256471773194> we have a grip rotation for our bdk and you can also put a...
grip rotation on skolex?
huh?
chrome falcon
lifegrip
grave crane
thats funny af
chrome falcon
because bdk slow
chilly brook
why would he need it
craggy pilot
oh read BDK thought it was DK grip
chilly brook
it's literally such a long cast
chrome falcon
he doesn't
chilly brook
I run out every time
dawn canyon
Big sadge
chilly brook
they're disbanding it looks like
dawn canyon
Now Vel gets more time with Bastu at least
This rwf killed 2 high end guilds man 
Aster and sk pieces
cinder storm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M1Fr8XGchqd97QKx#fight=8&source=14 I came back a month late into this season and working on 22s, I don't feel challenged by tyrannical nor mobs at that key level, like my hp barely moves. Is there something I can improve? My banner uptime is really bad
blazing condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/M1Fr8XGchqd97QKx#fight=8&source=14 I came b...
You wasted HELLA rage
just by shield slam alone you wasted 1.2k
chilly brook
a little low on blocked hits
lofty widget
casts+blocked hits are also low
chilly brook
should be above 80%
chrome falcon
avatar casts low because of the wasted rage
intervene casts low
charge casts not great but not terrible
wait
you cast execute
ONE TIME
the whole key?
chilly brook
more shield walls
chrome falcon
execute literally hits for 25-30k on a crit
chrome falcon
also not running the shield wall conduit
chilly brook
but 12x in the key means you only had the buff for 24m
instead of the whole time
all you gotta do is tap it
don't need to channel
chrome falcon
you used outburst on thunderclap 55 times
that's 55 too many
ALWAYS outburst on shield slam
cinder storm
That's a bad habit from bfa that I'm trying to set aside
lofty widget
is there some easy way too see what you use outburst on?
chilly brook
oh wait
chrome falcon
damage done-> click the outburst icon
chilly brook
you're playing emeni????
chrome falcon
thunderclap is a dogshit spell
200% of dogshit is still dogshit
always spend outburst on shield slam
gives you more revenges and more rage
but yeah you need to cast ignore pain WAY MORE
chrome falcon
you basically just mindlessly mash ignore pain during last stand
chilly brook
which means less damage overall
chrome falcon
well you don't even get more damage out of TC
chilly brook
in reference to outburst
chrome falcon
on 99% of pulls
chilly brook
well you don't even get more damage out of TC
just trying to put it in perspective
chrome falcon
yeah
just remember that this whole class literally is just 1) blocked hits and 2) your rage bar
generate as much rage as humanly possible
and spend it before you cap
cinder storm
Thanks guys, I ll keep working on it and rewire myself a lot more with the spell prio
chrome falcon
because 31% banner uptime in sanguine is very low
chilly brook
i.e. even if it was better damage per that global the rage gen from shield slam alone outperforms it in the conversion to damage from revenge and getting more avatar
chrome falcon
just remember that charge+avatar+SS is literally 115 rage
and that's not counting last stand and banner giving rage per second
you generate so much rage on this class
cinder storm
It was just feeling weird spamming IP but yeah, better to focus on SS - Revenge
chrome falcon
that during high rage periods you just need to blast 1 million IPs
you weren't spamming IP
if you were spamming IP you wouldn't have wasted ~2k rage
you wasted 340 rage on ravager for example
280 on reprisal
cinder storm
I was not, because it felt weird to do so, but I ll start working on it moving forward
chrome falcon
don't think of IP as mitigation
it's literally just CDR on ravager+outburst
your goal is to never let your rage bar hit 100, and if it ever does, you need to immediately dump as hard as you can
cinder storm
Got it
chilly brook
Ideally in logs your banner uptime should be above 60%
much higher if you can stay in combat the whole time
but logs skew it a bit
grave crane
to see blocked hits is that under damage taken and its under mitigated?
chilly brook
using details to track uptime of it is much easier since it's only combat time
cinder storm
My best on details is like 48% but I know I was making something awfully wrong, you guys put it into light lol
chilly brook
My best on details is like 48% but I know I was making something awfully wrong, ...
yea def low
should be 80% or more
Jakey has had as high as 90%
chilly brook
to see blocked hits is that under damage taken and its under mitigated?
damage taken then mouse over hits
grave crane
alright thanks
delicate iron
you can leap it tho right
A bit late to reply but no, I believe you can't leap either, I did it once between 2 sets of tentacles (left and right) and I still died right in the middle when they slammed. Cost us the key =(
timber slate
Use banner for speed buff
chilly brook
My best on details is like 48% but I know I was making something awfully wrong, ...
If you're able to stay in combat and keep generating and spending rage it's up indefinitely
that last banner was like 5 minutes straight of banner
pretty sure that's from jumping down from 2nd boss all the way until last boss in mists
shell shale
It's fun leaving first boss in plauge fall I usually get to leave with 40 seconds on banner left
Red ooze plus lust
chilly brook
maze sucks for uptime if your healer is slacking on doing the doors mid combat
timber slate
Do you guys use fleshcraft only or stay in the red shit for the haste buff?
shell shale
Both
chilly brook
Do you guys use fleshcraft only or stay in the red shit for the haste buff?
both
and I use fleshcraft to refesh my free 200 mastery or w/e the buff is
cinder storm
If you're able to stay in combat and keep generating and spending rage it's up i...
I was wondering if my poor play was in part due to the level of the key. Have something to look forward to these coming days, knowing what you are doing bad and where to improve def makes things a lot easier
Sometimes I felt using SW was overkill lol
This tier is too OP
lofty widget
its never overkill
its a 45 sec cd these day,s unless you need it next pull just pop it
chilly brook
I was wondering if my poor play was in part due to the level of the key. Have so...
nah it's a super fast spec and playing necro just makes you have to play better and better to extend your banners, it also forces you to pull fast
chilly brook
Sometimes I felt using SW was overkill lol
pull bigger ๐
cinder storm
Hard to if dps dont kick KEKW
shell shale
xD
cinder storm
they are the ones telling me to pull smaller
lofty widget
i feel like SD is much more a dps/heal dungeon that a tank dungeon
chilly brook
they are the ones telling me to pull smaller
tell them to git gud
cinder storm
fuck yeah
lofty widget
very few mechanics that actually kill you in particular in there
sick sentinel
Takes literally 5sec
my brain just freezes up at those points and i have to stop to think about it the long way
im curious what this new time healer will pair best with what tanks
shell shale
I still want evoker tanks
shell shale
I mean currently every tank Is useable for almost all content
chilly brook
I still want evoker tanks
actually same
chilly brook
let them focus on current tank balance first
tank balance has been fantastic tbh
shell shale
Borrowed power is just that specs power
chilly brook
thats partyl due to borrowed power
I'm not going to look a gift horse in the mouth
the fact remains that it's been largely the best the tanks have ever been balance wise
chilly brook
but our base kit is very lacking atm
talent tree
shell shale
Is it?
chilly brook
lofty widget
yes it is
shell shale
Hows other tanks base kits?
lofty widget
go tank a 25 without reprisal
strong forum
BDK and guardian literally rely on borrowed power
lofty widget
strong forum
theyd be real fucking sad without it currently
lofty widget
and thats exactly why they should focus on current tanks before adding another one
if literally half of the tanks rely on borrowed power
shell shale
Lmao i mean if you just change borrowed power to the talent tree it's literally just base kit?
strong forum
which is what theyre doing
shell shale
Lmao massive
lofty widget
they will have to make good talent trees tho
chilly brook
imagine getting gladiator stance back
lofty widget
we'll see
chilly brook
the idea they have currently seems good
strong forum
to move away from the "okay xpac over now youre gonna lose your 3 systems youve used in the last 2 years"
chilly brook
def seems the right way to introduce talent trees in modern context
shut summit
imagine getting gladiator stance back
aint happenin ๐
shell shale
I mean blizzard always goes back on their design philosophy
Whole reason they changed the talents to get away from massive cookie cutter builds to be more simple
Now they want to give em back because it feels like you earn more
I'm hoping they make cool trees tho
strong forum
i mean
the tree looks 375 times better than classic tree
its not just "spend 5 points to make bshout give 5% ap"
strong forum
its more along the lines of "spend 1 point to get this ability, maybe spend 1-2 points to empower said abiltiy"
i mean just look at the previews
90% of them are 1 pointers
chilly brook
Like I said
strong forum
and known abilities
jagged pier
doesnt mean the multi pointer ar e like that tho
timber slate
Bring need/greed back instead
chilly brook
doesnt mean the multi pointer ar e like that tho
they already said they are
strong forum
the multipointers usually share the same icon as a single point icon
followed after the single point icon
so i very much assume its an "empower this ability" kind of deal
chilly brook
so i very much assume its an "empower this ability" kind of deal
because it is
strong forum
yes
chilly brook
the interviews said as much
shell shale
What do you guys think / want to be one of the general warrior end talent abilities
strong forum
anger management
lofty widget
it's gonna be AM
shell shale
Makes sense
lofty widget
but it shouldnt be
shell shale
Lmaoo
shell shale
Let's goooo
lofty widget
yea thats more like it
strong forum
na itll be a late class point
but thats good!
cuz it wont be a prot specific thing
cuz the whole issue is having to choose between AM and a Block talent rn
lofty widget
oh yeah 
strong forum
thats the WHOLE issue
lofty widget
this is very good
shell shale
What if they give prot war mass spell reflect
lofty widget
MSR is shit design
why?
strong forum
improved SR is likely
MSR breaks the game
we literally complained for months during alpha/beta
timber slate
improved spell reflect would be dope
Get the legendary๐คฃ
strong forum
that MSR is bad game design
chilly brook
Get the legendary๐คฃ
no
chilly brook
Get the legendary๐คฃ
that's mass spell reflect
strong forum
either its too powerful or useless
theres no inbetween
and they made it so the legendary is useless (thank god)
chilly brook
Back in legion spell reflect reflected all spells for the full duration of the buff
not just one
lofty widget
so that would be "empowered SR"?
strong forum
im somehow confident that improved SR will see a return
"reflects everything for 5sec"
instead of only 1 spell
chilly brook
im somehow confident that improved SR will see a return
bruh
could you imagine
desausage with that
strong forum
bdk can immune debuffs for 8sec straight with AMS
yet we only get to deflect 1, at best
chilly brook
right but on desausage I think I reflected the cone like twice on mythic or something and had like 100k damage reflected back to the boss
5 seconds of all reflects on that would be hilarious
medivh level hilarious
shell shale
I mean have you guys ever done the double pull in-between 1st and 2nd boss in spires. The one people lob spear at? And spell reflect ALL the birds lightning shit back at them
strong forum
ofc
distant crystal
can we just be broken in one dungeon plz
ocean yoke
gets me bricked up
distant crystal
I want some first boss of Temple of Sethrallis action
distant crystal
let me chunk the boss for 20% hp with one reflect
chilly brook
let me chunk the boss for 20% hp with one reflect
I still find it hilarious that they left that for 3 seasons
distant crystal
but yeah i had a healer ask me why i don't take dmg from the last boss tankbuster
chilly brook
and then nerf it in the 4th
distant crystal
reflect good spell
chilly brook
you can get every scythe now yea?
shell shale
Depends on push timings and urh
ocean yoke
i usually have 1 or 2 get through but can reflect all the others
and those 1 or 2 with like 2 seconds on the cd
distant crystal
what's it called
shell shale
The first 1 you reflect kill urh you get 2nd one then if you pree cast it for next few it lines up nicely
chilly brook
I don't do ToP enough
shell shale
But the 50% push can fk timings up and make you miss one or 2
distant crystal
i managed to get all of em
chilly brook
even though we're really good at the dungeon I just dislike the dungeon
distant crystal
in our last run lol
strong forum
get a fury warrior dps to taunt every second 1
thats an easy way to get your DPS killed
distant crystal
strong forum
cuz it still does the physical part dmg
shell shale
No
strong forum
and the spellqueueing is fucky
shell shale
But agreed spell q funky
trim bay
yea it has cucked us a few times
lofty widget
it does not
trim bay
but its fine on a 20 if he isnt bad
shell shale
It reflect the dmg of only magic
trim bay
its on him
shell shale
But stops the hit
lofty widget
it's magic then physical so it reflects the whole thing
shell shale
Of the physical too
distant crystal
i took 0 dmg from either in that run
chilly brook
it's not like hakkar where it's two different hits
strong forum
then they changed it
shell shale
Nope
lofty widget
thats the reason we cant reflect the hakkar buster
shell shale
You just miss remembering
lofty widget
cause it's physical then magic
chilly brook
thats the reason we cant reflect the hakkar buster
you can deflect the magic hit
it's just two different hits
cerulean wyvern
codex of first technique and good?
lofty widget
ik, but not reflect
lofty widget
codex of first technique and good?
pretty good defensively, dogshit offensively until 30+ keys
distant crystal
is there any good way to see what you reflected/deflected in logs?
chilly brook
but since our damage intake is lower than other tanks not great
strong forum
is there any good way to see what you reflected/deflected in logs?
no
atleast not the dmg output
you can filter in dmg taken with SR up i guess
distant crystal
it's embarassing how shit i am with using WCL filters and such
but if you deflect will it even show there
damn i even reflected a death bolt
from the adds
must've just been blessed uhr/push timing
gray iris
hey guys, pressing ignore pain 2 times in succession means it will prevent 20k damage right?
chrome falcon
yes IP stacks twice
gray iris
so does it make sense to get brutal vitality as a conduit over reduced shockvave?
gray iris
oh
strong forum
BV doesnt go beyond the regular IP cap so its useless
reduced shockwave is useless period
BV or Fueled by Violence should only be your 4th endurance conduit if you somehow get that many
distant crystal
wait there's a conduit for shockwave?
strong forum
and for a finesse conduit you either use the rallying cry one or safeguard
gray iris
wait there's a conduit for shockwave?
yup
gray iris
ill post my conduit screenshot here..wait
coral quartz
Guys looking to omptimize spell reflection is there any particular dungeon where it shines
gray iris
am i doing it right? Or do i need changes?
distant crystal
stalwart
jagged pier
brah he hasnt even got unerving
gray iris
oh damn
strong forum
bruh
BRUH
the 2 best ones you legit skipped over
and went to the 4th and 5th instead
gray iris
okay ill change them now
cerulean wyvern
out of these trinkets, which would you use for tanking M+ and Raid?
- Viscera of the Coalesced Hatred
- Heart of the Swarm
- Codex of First Technique
- Earthbreaker's Impact
- The First Sigil
- 246 OWS
- OPC
strong forum
earthbreaker + codex
jagged pier
impact and codex or m+
distant crystal
where does that drop damn
jagged pier
sigil and somthing else for raid
strong forum
but my god these choices suck
distant crystal
my unnerving is 226 D:
cerulean wyvern
lol...
urban portal
heart is funny
strong forum
use codex only for rygelon/jailer
urban portal
full heal with spear
strong forum
am i doing it right? Or do i need changes?
generally this
but if you go full prot, just slap AAP top left
cerulean wyvern
but my god these choices suck
yeah...I don't tank normally so these are my only options, lol
urban portal
i would go heart and codex
or heart and OWS
@cerulean wyvern
you can block during heart
and you can do the macro that dps warriors do with signet to also get leech from your spear
gray iris
thanks man
strong forum
i generally recommend going necrolord tho
gray iris
did it
cerulean wyvern
and you can do the macro that dps warriors do with signet to also get leech from...
ahh...so throw out spear and pop trinket?
urban portal
yea
obviously its a lot of overhealing
and you cant cast during it
but its funny
cerulean wyvern
lol
gray iris
i generally recommend going necrolord tho
do i need to make a new legendary with necro?
urban portal
how long does heart last though, 2 gcds?
jagged pier
why are u recommending swarm its like the 2nd worst trinket out of the ones he listed
cerulean wyvern
would that work in M+ if I decided to pull a ton?
sick sentinel
unity + rep for keys and alot of current raid
urban portal
heart is more HPS than codex like 80% of the time until you reach 20+
gray iris
if i go necro will i be able to use unity?
urban portal
and it costs 1 global
sick sentinel
you can use unity for all covs as long as you have it
thin mortar
So I keep hearing how bad prot is atm, havent played my warrior at all in SL basically since I took almost a year break
how bad are we talking? if i dont wanna push high keys or mythic raiding its still fine or are we talking completely bonked?
distant crystal
ya that's unity's gimmick
gray iris
you can use unity for all covs as long as you have it
oh i thought sob wont be available under necro
urban portal
oh i thought sob wont be available under necro
it transform into the right leggo
urban portal
So I keep hearing how bad prot is atm, havent played my warrior at all in SL bas...
its fine
distant crystal
unity will buff banner instead
sick sentinel
no, it simply changes to glory legendary
gray iris
unity will buff banner instead
aah okay i got you
sick sentinel
if u go NF it changes to the NF one
works like this for alllll classes and legendaries tied to covenenats
gray iris
if u go NF it changes to the NF one
so which guy should i choose in necro?
sick sentinel
u don't need do anything else, it will change on its on for u
dawn canyon
so which guy should i choose in necro?
Marileth
sick sentinel
unity + rep, probably on boots rep
vernal vale
imagine getting gladiator stance back
My one and only hopr
chilly brook
So I keep hearing how bad prot is atm, havent played my warrior at all in SL bas...
Weโre absolutely godawful which is why you have prot warriors clearing mythic sepulcher and doing high keys
Jokes aside
Prot is fine
More than fine actually
sick sentinel
what does it mean "when you defeat an enemy"
chilly brook
Itโs just you either play well or you donโt and die
urban portal
its so good on jailer but so iffy on mythic rygelon
sick sentinel
credit for kill or killing blow or depends entirely on the thing itself
thin mortar
Weโre absolutely godawful which is why you have prot warriors clearing mythic se...
alright cool, even my raidleader in retail keeps saying how bad they are etc, so got curious haha
chilly brook
alright cool, even my raidleader in retail keeps saying how bad they are etc, so...
Just misinformed people
gray iris
fuck i joined necro and im back to renown 1
chilly brook
fuck i joined necro and im back to renown 1
Go boost to 60 with 500 gold
sick sentinel
fuck i joined necro and im back to renown 1
if u have a main with 80 reknown u can buy a thingy for 500g, contains either lvl 40 or 60 reknown starting, u can mail it across toons
gray iris
my main is in horde and this one is in alliance and different server
chilly brook
Doesnโt matter
oblique garnet
its account wide
sick sentinel
yes
chilly brook
Account wide
sick sentinel
its light blue item heirloom quality
gray iris
do i buy that in auction house or something?
chilly brook
By the flight master
gray iris
oh okay
sick sentinel
buy it on ur main, and mail it, it will go since its account wide even despite faction and server
gray iris
alright lemme try
sick sentinel
when u go to mail it, type first letter of ur character and select the yellow name that shows you
like this
dawn canyon
sell the sod lfr trinket man
gray iris
damn it is only letting me get renown till lvl 40
sick sentinel
still, every single big quest you do, will give a reknown, any major thing you do like complete a dungeon or kill a raid boss kill a rare complete a weekly quest
gray iris
still, every single big quest you do, will give a reknown, any major thing you d...
alright i got upgraded to renown 40... Now need to set up marileth
ocean yoke
if you havent done the zereth mortis campaign for that character yet it is a ton of renown
gray iris
sadly i completed that campaign only yesterday
ocean yoke
damn
sick sentinel
i'd try them all just to see what they are like, but then choose the good ones when time comes
gray iris
nomeratur suggested marileth... Ill try that first xd...
oblique garnet
marileth owns
gray iris
also any advice on using banner.. Do i pop it right at the start like sob?
urban portal
yeah
and basically just run through the necro story
youll unlock all your soulbinds and get renown 60-70 that way
ocean yoke
nomeratur suggested marileth... Ill try that first xd...
heres a pretty standard marileth conduit tree setup if you need one as well
sick sentinel
Yea he does just leap charge / off taunt charge / intervene mid fight .
gray iris
heres a pretty standard marileth conduit tree setup if you need one as well
damn that helps a lot..thanks
sick sentinel
He used wall on mythic rygelon caus its dots but yee that's it
chrome falcon
well there's exactly 1 log for m rygo and he used rep
shut summit
you dont need wall
urban portal
damn corrupted strikes does 0 damage
craggy pilot
in HC Anduin, do you need to spread in the Arthas phase since the ghouls cleave? ๐ค
urban portal
no
chrome falcon
no
and yeah corrupted strikes does 0 damage as long as you have 2 IPs and SR or DS up
when it first hits you
craggy pilot
what about the "Soul Explosion" they do when they die? ๐ค
chrome falcon
don't stand in it sir
urban portal
you dont need wall
yeah you right
i looked at logs and you have shield wall up for every soak anyways
craggy pilot
don't stand in it sir
oh they drop it away from where they die? or what?
chrome falcon
correct
shut summit
we had low % wipes cuz of dps fucking up quasars, i double soak downstairs and use only ironbark for one, its pretty not scary
novel dune
chrome falcon
it is crap
urban portal
cd too long
strong forum
its so bad i forgot what it did/does
sick sentinel
Our pwar used wall, private logs tho
I could see SB leggo work tho
Strike barely does any damage with gear now
On mythic
strong forum
ive said it before and ill say it again
only bad pwars play wall on prog cuz they cant play reprisal well
lament shell
yo gamers
blazing condor
wasgud
lament shell
idk but my camera changes whenever i dash
any fix for that ? im new to this
like.. my camera fixates when i charge
jagged pier
have u got it on follow character?
strong forum
Ya is good for the game
chilly brook
playing a class where the devs actually listen to your complaining must be nice
gray iris
necro feels like low dps to me with prot warrior compared to kyrian
strong forum
Were pretty on the nose
strong forum
necro feels like low dps to me with prot warrior compared to kyrian
Then you're not playing well enough
Necro is a bit more dps than kyrian if played well
chilly brook
necro feels like low dps to me with prot warrior compared to kyrian
more revenge
gray iris
Then you're not playing well enough
umm okay
chrome falcon
i just wanted to beat my co-tank on ST dps 
chrome falcon
umm okay
Necro multiplies your dps based on how well you play but kyrian is just a flat increase basically
If you were already doing like 9k dps without necro (random number) then a better player gets more benefit from the extra rage/str
Whereas with kyrian all you have to do is press spear on CD and it doesn't matter what else you do
I hope that made sense it made sense in my brain
sick sentinel
actually taught a warlock how to do the mists tree skip, and didn't bork the key
so, besides the thing that does the group stealth for m+ 10 affix, i need to find out what the the other 2 do and when im supposed to be popping those and for what reasons
maiden ravine
Unless skipping, pretty much just do urh
Occasionally you'll get situations where you get a buff and a boss near each other then the boss can be vy
sick sentinel
like, its always 3 runes? and they always respawn and you can just pick the dps one over and over if you want
maiden ravine
They don't really respawn
sick sentinel
im just confused by the little details
welll, i figured you get 3 orbs, and they keep showiing up, if you kill one, you destroy it and it doesn't appear any more
gray iris
Necro multiplies your dps based on how well you play but kyrian is just a flat i...
yeah it will take time for me to get used to it
with kyr I would just use sob and my dps was quite good...
timber slate
Never kill Vy, the buff might be good, but he always teleport way back to antartica lol
urban portal
its another charge for reprisal
urban portal
then you charge back
timber slate
Then you intervene?
safe thistle
go ows/phial if you're not dying
Ty
lime urchin
Comin home after a long long day of zug zug, opening the YouTube and seeing Lord Sense uploaded some new m+ pushings
chrome falcon
no
lofty widget
nerf got changed
ocean yoke
they nerfed the nerf
ember token
Is 1k dps nerf a nerf? ๐
silk pine
Ok Blood Dk is still S Tier
jagged pier
tiers KEKW
gray iris
i think a lot of rage is generated playing necro.. Im over capping a lot.. Specially when i press ss with revenge... 2 min cd is quite long for banner compared to 45 sec cd of sob
timber slate
It was 0.5 to 0.3 sec runeblade
But now its another tooltip
timber slate
i think a lot of rage is generated playing necro.. Im over capping a lot.. Speci...
Press IP
chrome falcon
i think a lot of rage is generated playing necro.. Im over capping a lot.. Speci...
The CD on banner doesn't matter when it has 80%+ uptime
chrome falcon
uh
gray iris
okay you mean by spending rage you add 0.5 seconds everytime to the banner
chrome falcon
yeah
gray iris
defense is also pretty solid of necro
i used to struggle with those opening mobs of dos with kyrian but with necro it went smoothly
runic sparrow
i still play, im just a monk abuser now : )
scenic mural
It was 0.5 to 0.3 sec runeblade
But now its another tooltip
They reverted that and changed it to strength cap, not both lmao
steady lantern
Just did a SoA run and banner did not extend duration with rage spent(used banner and after 15 seconds it was gone), with unity lego equipped. Anyone else experiencing this?
mighty valley
did you swap covenants recently? there was some bug with unity not updating correctly a while back
strange lintel
mellow bridge
Depends on the rest of your route obviously?
Just check in mdt what you want to play
vestal vault
man I just ran with a guy NF Niya and he was crushing dps as tank, bizzare
chilly brook
define crushing
sick sentinel
okay, so whats the default rune to kill when its in the way i have to do it
or, how does it work, if its not that simple
ocean yoke
default to urh
sick sentinel
+10 mechanic, i've done keys but not this mechanic, the key im on is top 10 and say it doesn't matter which ones we kill
chilly brook
urh
kill urh
99% of the time
if you don't have a special route kill urh 100% of the time
sick sentinel
https://raider.io/news/343-the-weekly-route-encrypted#theater-of-pain There are no required uses of any Cyphers in our route for this dungeon, though if youโre looking to experiment you could try using the first Wo cypher in Gorechopโs wing to skip down to the bridge!
sick sentinel
When it dies, you gain a 15% Haste buff and a small damage proc for 45 seconds. party?
mighty valley
yeah, all three of them buff the entire party
timber slate
thats Vy
sick sentinel
don't take the wo unless its part of established known routes or have to basically
dawn canyon
ye
sick sentinel
so, do you attack them early on in the fight to spawn the dude?
and then nuke the dude, i dunno how tough the guys that pop out are, one is a tank buster i read
mighty valley
so there's three tiny adds
as soon as you kill one, the others disappear, and the big one pops out
usually people don't hard focus the big one, it just gets cleaved down
sick sentinel
i have an idea 3 shape thingies and you kill one a dude pops out, you kill it in time, i think they run away, you get a buff
chilly brook
@sick sentinel just kill urh
sick sentinel
CDR is better and mp5 makes healer life easier?
chilly brook
yes
99% of the time everyone kills Urh
Sometimes Wo if there's a planned skip
EXTREMELY rarely does Vy intentionally get killed
sick sentinel
is this thing that pops out, like how much out of 10 threat is it to wipe the group or kill me
dawn canyon
2
it has a frontal slam
taunt it once it spawns
it has a tendency to slap fury warriors
dawn canyon
good
mighty valley
it has a "tankbuster" cast that just hits you, can't do anything about it, and then a splat on the ground that you have to get out of
don't get hit by the ground slam, it's big dam and stun
sick sentinel
dunno if it will pan out but going for 3 more keys, try for the 3rd reward
timber slate
just try a +10 in an easy dungeon
golden pollen
How do u cope with dps killing the wrong relic often
odd tree
I did some 10s on an alt the other day, most groups hard focus vy. Don't know any better
lofty widget
How do u cope with dps killing the wrong relic often
throw 1 or 2 outburst SS into the relic you want, then even if they braindead aoe you should get it
odd tree
throw 1 or 2 outburst SS into the relic you want, then even if they braindead ao...
Yup, had a lock buddy tell me the other day it was my job to smack the right relic so he could press his 2 button rotation.
timber slate
Lmao
lofty widget
i mean it's in no ones interest to get the wrong relic, and you have arguably more ST than a destro lock spamming rain of fire
so might as well
odd tree
Does a /target macro work on the relics? I have a WA that adds icons to their nameplates, might as well make a macro as well.
sick sentinel
sick sentinel
i use to run it in bfa
sick sentinel
dogshit ass cringe addon
cringe asf
dawn canyon
idk i find seeing the chat pop up when i get hit very annoying
like im fully aware i got hit
shut up about it
sick sentinel
so what i stand in sanguine when i can heal everything up with enraged degen + im fully aware
sick sentinel
tank issue dragging it around the pool
dawn canyon
use ur guardiant
sick sentinel
if i DO run EH i turn it to silent self report and report at end and then it spits out who took dmg
if you leave it on default spam mode it will cause drama
some, it will cause to play btter
sanguine week is bring a dk druid or monk no exceptions
i don't want to rely on RNG fear to maybe get them out of it
yeah but idc about sanguine as fury warrior i can self heal
good dr + insane healing
if we got like 50 stuns i take impending for fun
i just dodge things that oneshot me
impending is my pretend deathstrike
its not used dw skyhold....
im talking fury impending not prot impending
steel mist
can anyone tell me how is necrolord is better in dps than lets say nightfae
sick sentinel
just to make it clear so i dont get insta kicked xd
steel mist
is it the oozling
sick sentinel
mega mastery uptime
sick sentinel
i mean
steel mist
its just that the one demand aftershock from nf is valuable to me
dawn canyon
can anyone tell me how is necrolord is better in dps than lets say nightfae
26% str perma
dawn canyon
The conduit
sick sentinel
conduit
steel mist
I forgot about that
sick sentinel
too easy to keep uptime of banner as prot as well
sick sentinel
in keys u need time to adapt id say
steel mist
i also seeing that bonesmith heimer is better damage wise than marelith
steel mist
marge?
dawn canyon
Marileth
sick sentinel
oh no.... de other side 12..... my arch nemisis
dawn canyon
oh no.... de other side 12..... my arch nemisis
Ez key u got this
Also all Urh key unless you guys decide to do some shenanigans
Movespeed is cool in dos
chrome falcon
dogshit ass cringe addon
no joke if i see that shit pop up in my runs i give them a minute to turn it off and i leave if they don't
distant crystal
clearing the ring is kinda pointless w/o anima dudes
sick sentinel
i mean like really though why is an addon that points out that you got hit for 90% of your total hp a bad thing
its annoying
its pointing out useless info
sick sentinel
im aware that im standing in sanguine
chrome falcon
and i don't need some random pug dipshit to tell me
sick sentinel
a 90% of your hp attack is you have turbo dogshit gear, or its a main boss mechanic you stood in with the debuff
dawn canyon
no joke if i see that shit pop up in my runs i give them a minute to turn it off...
Worst part is ive only seen it in <15 keys
chrome falcon
Worst part is ive only seen it in <15 keys
ofc because anyone good at the game knows it's fucking stupid
sick sentinel
a 90% of your hp attack is you have turbo dogshit gear, or its a main boss mecha...
no its cringe when it starts pointing out im standing in sanguine
like no shit sherlock
i decided i wanted to sit in it
chrome falcon
i've already had to delete the r-slur 3 times int the last 3 messages about that addon
sick sentinel
and do dps
if you get none or next to no notifications from that then its a good key though
and your doing things correctly mostly likely
dawn canyon
i've already had to delete the r-slur 3 times int the last 3 messages about that...
Good boy
sick sentinel
its a good key if it goes well
chrome falcon
no it's a good key if the randoms shut the fuck up and let me play
sick sentinel
i can tank 1280451 million sanguine damage
sick sentinel
and it can still be a good key
chrome falcon
who feel like they need to point out that someone fucked up
if a raid leader points out every time someone stands in fire
they're not a good raid leader
they're just annoying
steel mist
is there a range limit for banner
chrome falcon
15 when you cast it
sick sentinel
raid is fine
chrome falcon
infinite once the buff's up
sick sentinel
rl should be shitting on u
if u keep fucking it up
if u can self heal it
sometimes people don't even know what they got hit by and they see it and go WTF i didn't know that mechanic
then call it
chrome falcon
depends
sick sentinel
thats what i always do
chilly brook
15 when you cast it
range not time ๐
chrome falcon
if you're just an HC or early mythic guild then fine
sick sentinel
"dont need healing, enraged degen up"
chrome falcon
because people need to be told not to stand in fire
chrome falcon
in a good mythic guild your players know not to stand in bad
chilly brook
i think calling EH toxic and cringe is pretty grey morally
elitism helper?
sick sentinel
elitism helper?
ye
chrome falcon
is the addon actually called
chilly brook
EH is just annoying af
chrome falcon
elitism helper?
sick sentinel
its more towards negative for sure, but its not inherently toxic
yes
its just cringe
chrome falcon
i thought that was just its nickname
sick sentinel
and annoying
chrome falcon
how can anyone download that and not hate themselves
chilly brook
its more towards negative for sure, but its not inherently toxic
it's cringe and annoying
I know when I get hit
sick sentinel
u cant change my mind
chrome falcon
all the addon does
sick sentinel
its cringe and annoying
chrome falcon
is put people on the defensive