IPs use is 90% only there to prevent overcapping of rage
#protection
strong forum
blazing condor
i dont think i ever actively IP for the survivability
strong forum
cuz with tier and necro you literally overflow with rage constantly
if you play optimally
chrome falcon
not even optimally
just remotely well
and don't waste outburst on TC
you will constantly be at high rage
charge+outburst SS is already almost full bar
strong forum
charge + avatar + outburst SS is already more than 100 rage
chilly brook
@orchid garden
Does this look unoptimized to you?
Requiring less healing than dps
And having 80% banner uptime in a key
chilly brook
That’s in a 20 fort btw
strong forum
blazing condor
i believe in you
chrome falcon
oblique garnet
Just slam that Ip button whenever you feel like its not like it causes you any harm
blazing condor
actually quite the opposite
jagged pier
<@263674656039370752>
get good 
strong forum
it heals you and reduces CDs! and feeds into outburst stacks!
what more could you want
chilly brook
get good <:yep:703420923625078804>
F
orchid garden
The banner uptime is great, ofc.
But I got so many situations where I have to chose between revenge and IP, that I look at the potential threat and absorb. From what you say it sounds like you’re having twice the amount of rage I got.
chrome falcon
Yaaarrrrr
If you have to choose between revenge and ip you're not generating enough
chilly brook
The banner uptime is great, ofc.
But I got so many situations where I have to ch...
Probably
blazing condor
The banner uptime is great, ofc.
But I got so many situations where I have to ch...
post a log maybe we do
chrome falcon
If you don't have enough rage to revenge
strong forum
The banner uptime is great, ofc.
But I got so many situations where I have to ch...
one of the symptoms of underusing IP means less rage generated
chrome falcon
Go proc reprisal
chilly brook
Banner means tons of rage
strong forum
it sounds funny but its true
if you use IP more liberally, you will get more avatars and more outbursts
which means more rage gen
which means more revenges and more IP which means more everything
you need to spend rage
to generate rage
thats the credo
orchid garden
Also that high banner uptime is beyond me tbh. I lose it after around 60s, using charge/iv/ss/tclap on cd without overcapping rage.
lofty widget
get good <:yep:703420923625078804>
brother in arms
strong forum
give us a log and we can exactly tell you what youre not pressing often enough
cuz losing banner after 60sec
is like 9.1 amount of numbers
without tier.
orchid garden
if you use IP more liberally, you will get more avatars and more outbursts
That’s true tbf, I will take a look into it.
oblique garnet
get good <:yep:703420923625078804>
Is that with reprisal?
jagged pier
Is that with reprisal?
yer
oblique garnet
chilly brook
I really need to edit some of those keys I ran
So I can play by play it to try and help some of the people struggling
blazing condor
i was gonna start streaming my keys again but apparently my pc says fuck it we lagging today every time
imagine not being able to stream wow
blazing condor
lucky
austere latch
would definitely watch some prot streams. not much prot key content on youtube
blazing condor
i had the ambition to really push
jagged pier
got 3k stopped now
blazing condor
then it disappeared
jagged pier
blazing condor
what jakey said
chilly brook
Prot is too fun
jagged pier
🤷
chrome falcon
yeah i really thought i would push this season but
got 3k, did 54 votw runs and haven't gone into m+ since
still judging people waste 1k+ rage though
vernal vale
😢 still wasting rage in dungeons
get too caught up in crap and just miss my ignore pains i should be slapping harder
blazing condor
doesn't matter what tf i do at my keylevels
primal cape
playing necro feels better on rage management
vernal vale
i am improving based on my logs but im always sad to see my waste
blazing condor
i waste a bit on shield slam still
vernal vale
currently I'm just chasing IO to push towards that 3k mark
blazing condor
im focusing a lot on whats actually happening in the key
so i just forgor my rage
vernal vale
actually got a comment about prot warrior being damn good in the theater of pain i did this morning
blazing condor
strong forum
its pretty much our best dungeon
blazing condor
i inspired some warlock who just started playing prot on their warr alt
vernal vale
it is but it still feels good to do
mighty egret
<:xeos:945501697847992341>
big same
blazing condor
F to all the wasted rage 
vernal vale
better than the 3k i was wasting in dungeons a few weeks ago
vernal vale
gotta keep slapping keys and getting better
chilly brook
This is also why I just mostly do my own key
Can’t be declined for being a prot warrior if it’s your key
blazing condor
yeah do your own keys if you got the sanity for it
chilly brook
vernal vale
hahaha
chilly brook
Also it means I can scum it
blazing condor
was gonna do my 22 mists today to start pushing again after absence but it died on the last 2% of the boss
chilly brook
was gonna do my 22 mists today to start pushing again after absence but it died ...
RIP
orchid garden
brother in arms
Do you or @jagged pier have a good log to look into?
chrome falcon
you'll be better off logging yourself so we can look at it but i think nomer has a log he likes to show people
blazing condor
The Protection Warrior Log
strong forum
I'm mostly just using my mists log
Pretty easy to find cuz it's the only mists I ran this season
blazing condor
i wonder what dungeon is the most "average" in terms of general applicability to all dungeons in SL
if you were to log
maybe sanguine
strong forum
Mists is good imo, has small pulls, big pulls, mid pulls
And you can pull trash ontop of bosses
Sanguine I guess also works
For 4pc logs you can check sense's or ergaw's logs
Mine is only 2pc and low ilvl
jagged pier
Do you or <@179993058186625025> have a good log to look into?
unless someone logged it, they wont be logged, i has potato pc
strong forum
🥔
jagged pier
blazing condor
🪵 🤝 🥔
vernal vale
apparently no onw wants to run a DoS+17 today
vernal vale
hahahaha
chilly brook
Probably not a particularly great log but here you go @orchid garden https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/P7QnK6rFVtq4yp3g#fight=6&type=summary
vernal vale
Don't look at my logs I'm bad hahahaha
orchid garden
Thanks a lot guys, will check those tomorrow morning.
lyric geode
Guys, what is a good route for gambit
lofty widget
Guys, what is a good route for gambit
this is what we run atm https://wago.io/-7ZGrwkHf
urban portal
Hold w
blazing condor
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this is mine
timber slate
SS spam
timber slate
WF means more devastate, which means more SS proc?
shell shale
and it means more rage
mighty egret
which means more banner
shell shale
which means more rage
timber slate
shell shale
whats better for keys Best served Cold or Booming Voice?
lofty widget
BSC for more overall dmg, BV for more ST dmg and easier banner uptime
timber slate
Does BV only increase your dmg, or every party members?
lofty widget
only yours
chrome falcon
If BV increased everyone’s damage you’d play like 5 prot warriors in every raid
urban portal
^
chrome falcon
Nothing in this game increases a mobs damage taken for everyone
urban portal
Imagine having lust on 45s cd
lofty widget
there is a power in torghast that makes it work for others too tho
dawn canyon
and a pvp talent
urban portal
Nothing in this game increases a mobs damage taken for everyone
Rogue has a talent for that on stunnable mobs
dawn canyon
but who cares about pwar pvp
urban portal
Unironically good on soulrender
timber slate
If BV increased everyone’s damage you’d play like 5 prot warriors in every raid
It could work like mystic touch
I just wasnt sure, it’d be OP lol
urban portal
Those are diversity quotas
Trust me if bv worked on your team it’ll be nerfed very quickly
urban portal
its meta if you provide raid buff
just like 9.0
prot warrior is at its best state in 9.0 because it was taken for world first right
sick sentinel
took me a while to figure out i need to unlock the second top row of cyhper research to get quests, after i've spent points lol
cinder nova
prot warrior is at its best state in 9.0 because it was taken for world first ri...
Not really. Prot wasn't the most meta tank in 9.0, but tank balance was very, very tight then and you could WF with pretty much anything. It was middle of the pack, same as now.
We've been mid-range tanks for most of this expansion with our biggest hindrance being broad-spectrum utility beyond battle shout and rally.
But those are QOL and almost never a requisite to push high end content.
It's just going to be the most noticeable at the bleeding edge of progression.
urban portal
tank balance was ok in 9.0?
when we didnt even have reprisal?
9.0 was the worst it was
it got better in 9.0.5
VDH was so far ahead of anything else
cinder nova
You could do fine before Reprisal.
ocean yoke
they had warrior/vdh since havoc, arms, and fury were all a little poopoo
cinder nova
Reprisal made our job easier by a wide margin.
urban portal
the only tank that was worse in 9.0 was blood
urban portal
they had warrior/vdh since havoc, arms, and fury were all a little poopoo
but unlike warrior vdh was good standalone
cuz vdh was bugged to take less magic damage
they also had to globally give the entire tank class 10% physical dr
because the kite meta was being so stupid
thats when tanks had any semblance of balance
cinder nova
If a sub-meta tank is getting WF then it's clearly got enough piss and vinegar to do all the other content below it. Anything less is actual overt REEEEing.
Was it harder? Yes. Was it impossible? Hardly.
urban portal
nothing is impossible in wow, the game isnt tuned that tightly
but there was a huge gap between vdh and everything else
cinder nova
Not as big as you're making out tbh.
urban portal
when vdh got 3 nerfs before 9.1 came through
cinder nova
Huge gaps between tanks are small steps compared to the galactic voids between DPS meta.
urban portal
cov abilities, aura nerf, and magic damage nerf
cinder nova
And somehow they're still played a shitload.
urban portal
"bug fix"
it takes time for people to stop playing fotm
in 9.1 every single vdh disappeared
just like how its going to take time for prot warrior to be picked up
cinder nova
No? VDH didn't really drop aside from player count.
urban portal
all the good playeres rerolled bear, the one that didnt went to play prot pal
and the raiders went blood dk
9.1 was when tank balance started being ok
cinder nova
I feel like your idea of tank balance is wildly different than most. The general capita didn't move much. This is literal bro science you're moving, homie. 9.1 95th percentiles show them as the 2nd highest played tank behind Monk.
Moving one spot out of most played isn't exactly disappearing overnight lol
Honestly, if anything the enormous drop in player numbers is the most stark thing from 9.0 to 9.1
Almost 90K tanks in 9.0
Down to like 18K
urban portal
well yeah 9.1 was awful for alt gearing
cinder nova
Mad oof
timber slate
Use the covenant set👀
cinder nova
Losing that much, though? That can't be just alt unfriendliness.
We know what it was, obviously, but fuck me running those numbers are brutality incarnate.
cinder nova
I feel like Blizzard needs to lean more into DPSing as a tank being a thing.
Obviously not trying to fill DPS role, but encouraging them to do damage.
Tons of these tier bonuses are just throughput.
And - big shock - one of the most fun patches.
Who would've guessed.
WHEEZE
Holy fuck I just saw the 9.2 95th numbers
I didn't think it could get any worse.
urban portal
are you looking at m+ or raid
cinder nova
Even when it is OP nobody rerolls it the way people reroll for other tanks.
urban portal
in 8.2 people def rerolled
cinder nova
EN was actual immortality with how IP was working.
And it was still the lowest played tank.
cinder nova
Oh wait I lied VDH was slightly lower
urban portal
m+ is just better since theres a higher barrier to entry to raid
especially mythic
you can have time to push 25s but not get aotc
cinder nova
I don't see that as really a good metric, tbh. M+ and raiding are entirely different animals and equivocating them is kinda goofy.
Especially since you can't trend M+ anywhere near as long.
cinder nova
Why not? 🤔
urban portal
raider will always know that at x time, player 1-5 did a key with these leggos and talents
but no details
but theres nothing like that for raid
urban portal
yes
im just saying player statistics
and player numbers
m+ is a more accurate representation
urban portal
i mean tank balance is all subjective
tank balance is obviously a lot closer than dps balance because blizzard has to balance for the weakest tank
especially in raid
cinder nova
Not really. There are patches where some tanks are far superior. Nighthold was doable as warrior, but it was practically INTing in Mythic.
urban portal
that was a long time ago
cinder nova
M Augur trauma is never gonna leave
urban portal
most tanks from top guilds are saying that blood dk literally cannot do jailer anymore
cinder nova
M Jail?
cinder nova
🤔 I'll be honest I haven't been staring at M Jailer because my current group hasn't ever gotten closed to a CE so I basically just assume we aren't gonna make it through half the mythic tier since shapes are too difficult a mechanic and our DPS is usually sub-par to prog reliably.
What's going on?
chrome falcon
Mythic jailer literally just melees you for like 80% of your hp
cinder nova
So the change from H to M is Jailer actually hits you?
chrome falcon
Bdk doesn’t have enough RP generation to live it
urban portal
blood dk are taking 90k damage per auto
chrome falcon
Jailer melees so hard that they nerfed his swing damage last week
urban portal
every 3rd gcd
chrome falcon
Can anyone name a single time a bosses MELEE SWING has been nerfed
cinder nova
just pick up a shield dks
chrome falcon
Like actually literally ever
cinder nova
I'm pretty sure they nerfed some auto hits and melee-related mechanics when thrash was still a thing you had to worry about
Relatedly, can we appreciate thrash isn't a thing anymore?
urban portal
its not unreasonable to say that prot warrior is the 2nd best tank for jailer now
cinder nova
Just hold up your shield 4hed
cinder nova
because they aren't holding it up
too busy kneeling to get their thrussy resized by weird alien space crystals..
chrome falcon
Our problem on jailer is that p2 dot
cinder nova
Imagine praying to be strong instead of actually being strong
chrome falcon
Go stand on the other size of the room, get nuked for your whole bar, then take a GIANT physical dot
cinder nova
Does Aegis not cover it enough?
chrome falcon
That fight just fucking rolls tanks over and spanks then
chrome falcon
The dot is like 30 seconds
urban portal
oh i thought you were talking about melees
cinder nova
Brutal.
urban portal
it would be a magic dot if its not reduced by armor
chrome falcon
I might actually channel a fleshcraft on that fight
Like the whole thing
Crazy to think
cinder nova
I wont lie I tilt when I have to channel FC for anything other that mastery rebuff
chrome falcon
Yep
Got myself killed on xymox last week
Channeled FC when my cotank’s aoe grip went off
Didn’t get gripped
shell shale
it would be a magic dot if its not reduced by armor
Bleeds ignore armour
Or has this been changed?
chrome falcon
bleeds do ignore armour that's not in question
i'm just not sure
if jailer's dot IS a bleed
not all physical dots are bleeds
also
it's not even a physical dot i was wrong
it's a magical dot
even more fun!
it hits for 45k a second!
for 18 seconds!
shell shale
Lmao massive
dawn canyon
you gotta give them props for one thing
endbosses this expac have all fucking trucked tanks
chrome falcon
yeah and all the bosses before them have been complete bitches
(sludgefist gets a pass)
mellow bridge
Rygelon didn't hurt?
dawn canyon
Idk how many got to see m ryg yet
shut summit
is isnt that bad
safe thistle
thorny stone
I just did my first m+ 20 intime, SoA. Had to solo Devos from 18% to death
Thank you guys for giving me the knowledge to make that possible 
chilly brook
opaque hearth
for necro in a raid, what soulbind do you guys like?
chilly brook
marileth
vernal vale
I have my keys done for the week. Tomorrow is going to be spending some time slapping jailers gauntlet in torghast forgot about that.
Should make for an interesting run with 4piece and everything now.
lyric geode
Jailer mythic is so easy with monk, just in case you wonder.
robust rover
hey, what cast should I spell reflect on Mueh’zala? I get a WA notice, but not sure and don't want to die
timber slate
Its the only ability he does
robust rover
Thank me later.
❤️
robust rover
Its the only ability he does
well thought so but was uncertain anyways
robust rover
Sounded kinda rude, sorry for that😆
haha, no it makes sense, i just didn't trust the WA i guess.
lyric geode
Kyrian is for the most badass while necro is for losers.
vernal vale
whats the difference between kyrian and necro in m+
Necro is tangier and feeds our 4p really well
Err tankier.
Kyrian has more burst damage but that's about it.
median tulip
whats the difference between kyrian and necro in m+
Kyrian is fairly straightforward; the covenant ability is a simple upfront truckload of damage, threat and rage, fire-and-forget.
Necrolord is more challenging to play correctly, but when you do manage to do so it's higher rage generation, more defense, more overall damage. Necro also synergises heavily on our set bonus this tier.
lyric geode
Also Kyrian is more reliable on bleeds disease than necro
median tulip
I might go back to Kyrian for Necrotic week
lyric geode
It gives us a buff on a weaknesses ww have
vernal vale
Necrotic is so nerfed now its easy to drop stacks.
lyric geode
Also, it doesn't feel good to spam on IP just to keep banner
vernal vale
I stayed necro last necrotic and never had an issue.
median tulip
Personally I enjoy the banner minigame
median tulip
People are entitled to their own opinions on what game mechanics they prefer. I enjoy Necro over Kyrian these days, but I try to present the two covenants advantages and disadvantages honestly for the people who come here asking.
lyric geode
People are entitled to their own opinions on what game mechanics they prefer. I ...
Me too. I wanted necro to be more rewarding and less of a hassle to be honest.
Also, blizzard dev team is a bunch of clones to be honest. "Buffing" warrior IP costed 40 rage, lets make it to 35. While tier set requires you to spend 40 rage. Essentially nerfing tier set.
maiden ravine
My favorite covenant for Prot actually has to be Fae
I think I prefer the knockdown to the root
yeah doesn't look as OP cause the effect is split into 3 on details, but they seem really close to me
shell shale
@maiden ravine try necro yet?
maiden ravine
I have, I don't have 4p yet and I don't have the practice to maximize the uptime
shell shale
ah i see
maiden ravine
In a SD, I only had like 38% up time
During a boss with lust I only managed to go til about 20s left on CD before it fell off.
I like the idea of banner, but it's definitely harder to use.
vernal vale
I like the idea of banner, but it's definitely harder to use.
I was NF up until this tier. Aftershock is just generally better utility than spear. As it does interrupts; and we all know dps brain doesn't know how to interrupt.
Banner is harder to use but when your playing well it all feels fantastic.
carmine pine
Banner feels so good in keys
primal rain
is shattering throw worth in pve?
median tulip
is shattering throw worth in pve?
There are certain encounters where using it is effective. Hakkar. Affront of Challengers.
orchid garden
Can you dispel the immunity of Narzul in nw?
blazing condor
is shattering throw worth in pve?
It has its uses for sure. More in m+ than raids
A well timed throw on Hakkar can completely nullify the absorb he does because it ”ramps up”
Goliaths who are recharging in SOA, Marauders with bone shield in NW
Granted it doesnt insta-break the shields
But it deals hella damage
median tulip
I wish it was Instant is all. a long CD and a cast bar is sucky
wheat roost
Does anyone have a functioning version of the Co-Tank Auras from SoD but for Sepulcher?
sweet summit
dense hound
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/gRkaqjd7PBM6V1zp#fight=8&type=auras
40% Banner uptime keel me
Guess i have to press IP less and more revenge
trim bay
@sweet summit with that addon do i go into custom options and adjust the soudns to the stack number
blazing condor
Gotta spend more and generate more
trim bay
or is it all auto
dense hound
So the secret is just be angrier 
sweet summit
or is it all auto
should be fully set up already
thorny stone
When a dps dies on a pull
And you have to wait for him to get ressed while your banner ticks away
ocean reef
As long as the healer doesn't get in combat, you should be fine to go next pack no?
Alternatively tell the dps to release
strong forum
Well it's soa, downtime is natural, and since I haven't found a way to filter out downtime out of logs it's hard to judge
trim bay
@sweet summit mine where all on zero. i fixed it up now. no way to test it out though? ill play around with it at raid. thanks though
primal cape
might be a stupid question but isnt it TC outburst better than SS outburst when multiple targets ?
ionic fern
might be a stupid question but isnt it TC outburst better than SS outburst when ...
No.
SS provides 2x Revenges on top of the already solid SS damage.
And the extra rage also feeds into your next Outburst proc/AM.
median tulip
TClap is a trap when you have an Outburst proc. Don't press it
tepid bobcat
Is necro the best cov for all content? I see a lot of the top tanks as necro, is banner and flesh craft really that strong?
dawn canyon
banner is insane with tier
tepid bobcat
How do they interact exactly?
dawn canyon
tier gives you a shit ton of rage
oblique flare
Does ignore pain stack? Or how’s it work for exactly?
dawn canyon
and dumping rage holds your banner up
oblique flare
Like it I keep pressing it xd
dawn canyon
and so you can be perma banner
tepid bobcat
Ah I see, sounds pretty strong then! Then just flesh craft as much as possible I guess
strong forum
Necro grants you fuckloads of rage, makes you literally 30%+ tankier than other covenants through perma banner uptime, and interacts greatly with tier
lofty widget
Ah I see, sounds pretty strong then! Then just flesh craft as much as possible I...
dont channel FC outside very niche cases, just press it on cd for this effect, 120 mastery and 5 % magic DR
tepid bobcat
Gotcha! Thanks for the help as always chaps
tardy lantern
also dont forget to flashcraft before key start with rally + last stand for a juicy ~100k shield for 1st pull
silk pine
dont channel FC outside very niche cases, just press it on cd for this effect, 1...
Undead Warris are like : "thx for being alive"
sick sentinel
ss for first priority, revenge (if ss on cd), free or not? as second prio, TC as 3rd? does this sound right now
still do IP/SB whenever needed
median tulip
Does ignore pain stack? Or how’s it work for exactly?
Max IP absorption is twice the amount that a single IP gives. But it's fairly irrelevant; IP is your Rage dump to stop yourself from overcapping
timber slate
Spam IP like ironfur, its basically a rage dump
sick sentinel
IP stops stacking asborb after 2 casts but you cast more if you absolutely must like with rage % up cds and ravager
silk pine
Feels sometimes a bit strange if you spend rage and overcapping ignore pain.
sweet summit
doesn't feel weird when you realize it extends banner and gives cdr on avatar and shield wall, and that ip kinda stinks anyway
timber slate
80% overhealing
silk pine
Kind of True. Quick question what would be best Rotation in this Situation: I have shieldslam and tc rdy, 90 rage and full ip with Banner up. Should I dump ignore pain use SS or Spam revenge?
silk pine
And tc?
timber slate
TC if nothing else is available
stable wind
Necro Prot feels so good in larger pulls. Even with Anger Management, my Warr is far too angry
ionic fern
Ya, with 4p+banner your TC value drops since it's
-Low rage
-Low damage
silk pine
Alright thank you
stable wind
Although I kinda miss HR
ionic fern
Necro Prot feels so good in larger pulls. Even with Anger Management, my Warr is...
Jep, we're like a UFR bear only that we can do it a lot more often.
ionic fern
Although I kinda miss HR
raven hatch
got my first 25 key
whats the best strat for tyrann NW
double spear stitchflesh and lust last? or lust stitchflesh and double spear last?
assuming we all need hammers for the shields too on last and rotate them accordingly?
stable wind
I mean as I geared my prot, I got used to a high SB uptime, like all along the fight. Feels a bit odd not to have anymore
median tulip
Feels sometimes a bit strange if you spend rage and overcapping ignore pain.
Better to overcap IP than overcap rage
silk pine
I hope they keep for Dragonflight reprisal as talent
lofty widget
whats the best strat for tyrann NW
double spear 3rd+orb when you get 2 adds and 1 spear+3 hammers for last
ionic fern
I mean as I geared my prot, I got used to a high SB uptime, like all along the f...
Never played HR outside of just testing.
Never really needed it for the content that i was doing
amber herald
I played it for the comfy factor in 18s/19s in 9.1 it was perfectly fine
really not that huge a dps loss from not taking AM and you didn't need shield wall as often so not having the cdr on it wasn't really a problem either
because kiting on a tank is STUPID.
sick sentinel
having to kite on a tank thats entire indentity is about blocking with a shield is stupid
stable wind
At first I got smacked pretty badly in Keys, then I went full defensive. HR worked best for me that time. The benefit isn't that large, but it made it easier for me to have around 95% if the fights SB. Which I liked really much.
mellow bridge
double spear stitchflesh and lust last? or lust stitchflesh and double spear las...
you usually save all weapons (minus one orb maybe) for the last two bosses
stitchflesh is one spear in each phase and make sure to hit the abomination as well as the boss
amber herald
no you didn't need it I just don't like kiting and I don't like reprisal, well reprisal's ok but having it tied to our movement abilities and then having to charge weave the pack as the only tank in a dungeon is just bad design imo
mellow bridge
if you are falling behind in add damage, you use an orb once you have two adds up
amber herald
reprisal is really powerful but also sorta dumb
mellow bridge
2 aboms will kill your group (or yourself) very rapidly
ionic fern
no you didn't need it I just don't like kiting and I don't like reprisal, well r...
Idk, i like it.
mellow bridge
endboss is one spear + all remaining weapons + lust
amber herald
I like the interveneing around aspect but trying to get charge's in feels really clunky to me
would be fine if charge/intervene were the same button like it was before
and it also semi-requires a melee in your group which is not a problem 90% of the time but also not great
sick sentinel
intervene/charge takes you on some really sketchy move paths too
amber herald
it always seemed a bit half baked
sick sentinel
do a fuckin star paattern trying to intervene the guy across the bridge while your stil on it and you go to the far left side at the start, all controlled by AI
doesn't matter that theres giant fire there
95% + of the time, its fine, but every so often the charge/intvervene, even leap, can be wierd and wonky
tardy lily
hello, i have a handful of questions since i am getting back into prot more and more:
-
due to necro providing so much rage, esp. on pull i find myself a with a LOT of rage, i usually try and dump it into IP all the time, but I know also SB is important... has since last season the value of IP increased because the uptime of IP can be a lot higher? because i feel like only pop SB when in m+ midpull or when actively tanking a boss in raid that has lots of AA (e.g. Anduin/Rygelon) I just feel like iam spamming a lot of IP and barely any SBs... is that correct?
-
regarding Rygelon, in HC, what's the best way to pop defensives for the orbs in the singularity when you need to soak them, since it's physical dmg. keep IP up and...? it feels barely useful there. Can the Orb dmg be blocked?
- Also I assume that the "Beating Abomination Core" Trinket has lost all its value as a bassive healing trinket since SL launch? 🤔 i remember using it at the start of Shadowlands
ionic fern
hello, i have a handful of questions since i am getting back into prot more and ...
1)Yes, you are spamming a lot more IP but not because it's good - you spam it because our Rage generation has gone through the roof with 4p + NL + Double legendaries and it's a off GCD spender that feeds into Outburst/AM. SB is still your main mitigation.
2)No idea, don't raid.
jagged pier
u only need SW for the orb
tardy lily
u only need SW for the orb
do i run AM and The Wall for that fight then? I like The Wall anyways a lot more as legendary. Reprisal i nraids feels really awkward to use for me
jagged pier
and u should always run repirsal regardless
sick sentinel
and the purpose of spamming IP is simply to get stacks of seeing red after SS on avatar outburst yes?
while you have SB up, if sb is needed
ionic fern
and the purpose of spamming IP is simply to get stacks of seeing red after SS on...
Purpose of spamming IP is so you won't waste any rage.
sick sentinel
Tbh our prot war never used wall on mythic
The leggo
you are doing that to get outburst stacks though correct?
tardy lily
so i simply spam my rage into IP because it generates more Seeing Red stacks, which generate more biggers IPs so I never waste rage?
why not spam Revenge?
lofty widget
so i simply spam my rage into IP because it generates more Seeing Red stacks, wh...
just spam whatever to avoid overcapping
revenge for dmg, IP for defensive/when you cant revenge fast enough
ionic fern
With CD's your rage generation is too high. Revenge is ON the GCD. You use IP to avoid any overcapping since it's off the gcd.
tardy lily
Tbh our prot war never used wall on mythic
does he do the whole charge midfight thing for SB uptime then? :O
ionic fern
You will overcap Rage if you're just using Revenge
tardy lily
i see
jagged pier
does he do the whole charge midfight thing for SB uptime then? :O
your really over thinking the leggo
lofty widget
it's very easy to charge on rygelon
jagged pier
there tone of mechanics where u literally move away
lofty widget
just walk out and charge when your co tank taunts
sick sentinel
execute when you can too after SS because it can reset SS and ss is more dmg more rage
tardy lily
guess i am then not doing too much wrong then 🤔 i feel like i am still fucking up a lot.
ionic fern
you are doing that to get outburst stacks though correct?
You're doing it so you won't waste any Rage. AM/Outburst/Indom all benefit from rage spent.
So overcapping hurts us bad.
tardy lily
execute when you can too after SS because it can reset SS and ss is more dmg mor...
omg i actually dont even have Execute on my bar bc i didnt even think that was a thing :O thanks
sick sentinel
execute is huge for us
tardy lily
well fml then... i need to find space on my bar then
jagged pier
omg i actually dont even have Execute on my bar bc i didnt even think that was a...
not doing much wrong but doesnt have execute on their bar
🤔
lofty widget
omg i actually dont even have Execute on my bar bc i didnt even think that was a...
this is from an m+ boss but, should translate to raid iguess
sick sentinel
not doing much wrong but doesnt have execute on their bar
yogi 2.0
tardy lily
i see
hence why i asked, well i guess i should not post logs then unless you feel like roasting me to hell.
Ngl, i appreciate the help though! Will look through it
lofty widget
getting roasted from logs is probably the best way to get better
sick sentinel
no, im terrible, infamously so here
topaz field
whats your SB uptime with 4 set and no more HC talent? Im struggling to reach 90 % and therefore i was wondering
sick sentinel
im just having a laugh
lofty widget
whats your SB uptime with 4 set and no more HC talent? Im struggling to reach 90...
85-90 % blocked hits, uptime is a bad metric
tardy lily
getting roasted from logs is probably the best way to get better
whats a good raidboss to look at? or should i just post all?
sick sentinel
whats your SB uptime with 4 set and no more HC talent? Im struggling to reach 90...
convert it to a log and upload and then you can see how many and which attacks were blocked
lofty widget
whats a good raidboss to look at? or should i just post all?
any boss should be fine, i guess if youre struggling on any specific bosses it might be good to look at those first
tardy lily
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xgqyfk7ncLp2rmXb raid tanking (the keys were on my FDK derping and as Fury)
tanking a streets +18 https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WKQMqCcyJdmArap6#fight=8
raid was our social raid night for normal SFO
braces for impact
topaz field
@sick sentinel thx i actually have a log of a key where can i see how many attacks were blocked?
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xgqyfk7ncLp2rmXb raid tanking (the keys wer...
well your not blocking anything
ionic fern
raid was our social raid night for normal SFO
-Dragon roar?
-Emeni?
-A shit ton of wasted rage????
-No Execute
jagged pier
like 60% hit on anduin
restive ice
100% of my rage
jagged pier
25% !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
tardy lily
well your not blocking anything
by that you mean SB uptime?
jagged pier
no i mean effective block hits
u arent using SB at all
u cast it 7 times
on rygelon
7 times
over 6 mins
and u didnt even invterne or charge
topaz field
shield block is your primary defensive
jagged pier
u used it 9 times on anduin
tardy lily
-Dragon roar?
-Emeni?
-A shit ton of wasted rage????
-No Execute
no execute, as i said, didnt know it was a thing.
I chose Emeni bc i thought the benefit from having the extra main stat would help more
topaz field
this is what he means with SB
jagged pier
its a 9 minute fight
tardy lily
and yes, Dragon Roar i used because i wanted to use Demo shout as a defensive but i swapped yesterday to BV for good bc i realised that i either have TOO much rage which i waste, or not enough at all in some scenarios. I think i panic-overspend and mess up everything?
ionic fern
Btw, you can pop your log into WoWAnalyzer.,.it should be up to date.
Just remember that it does not consider downtime but it helps you get a solid overview on raid fights.
tardy lily
ah thanks!
so i should still be trying to cast SB whenever i can and am actively tanking while at the same time dumping all excess rage into IP to smoothen out dmg
topaz field
Shieldblock is the best tank ability in the game for tanking
every time u get a physical hit press it or you are just a dk
tardy lily
i am a BDK main, so that's probably an issue xD
median tulip
so i should still be trying to cast SB whenever i can and am actively tanking wh...
Not all excess Rage, You use IP to avoid overcapping. Ideally you use Rage on Revenge (or Execute) to proc Shield Slam resets (to get more Rage)
tropic linden
and yes, Dragon Roar i used because i wanted to use Demo shout as a defensive bu...
I did the same thing some time ago until I realized that keeping banner up was a much better defensive than Demo Shout can give. There is not a single mechanic u NEED demo shout to survive in keys or raid
median tulip
I dump Rage to Ignore Pain if I get to over 75 Rage. It's a metric that works for me
tardy lily
i still kind of struggle how or when to press SB or IP , and since IP is off GCD i tend to use that more than SB, i guess? In my mind i tried to work out what spell is similar to how a BDK works, but i guess that is the wrong wy to look at it bc their tanking styles are fundamentally different.
median tulip
SB is also off GCD
median tulip
So are Avatar and Last Stand, FWIW
tardy lily
haven't properly played prot since WoD
lofty widget
i still kind of struggle how or when to press SB or IP , and since IP is off GCD...
you need to have SB up whenever a mob is swinging at you
lofty widget
it's your main form of mitigation
tardy lily
okay
topaz field
if you are tanking
topaz field
no its similar to a dk not using metigation
like shuffle on brewmaster
but its not comparable
tardy lily
in my head IP was our Death Strike, ut yeah, i guess that's wrong, bc I compared Shield Block to Rune Tap
tropic linden
The problem with IP is that is abosrbs dmg from every source, so u can't use IP do shield for a magic dmg, the melees will eat ur shield b4 the cast
lofty widget
pwar doesnt rely on self healing, we rely on mitigating as much dmg as possible, which SB is the best for
tropic linden
So u always prio SB
median tulip
Your priorities for Rage spending are (roughly) as follows:
1 - Shield Block (when actively tanking)
2 - Revenge (when Shield Slam is on cooldown)
3 - Ignore Pain (when in danger of losing Rage to overcapping)
Execute replaces Revenge when available
topaz field
also shieldblock is kinda decent offensively if u take into account it increases SS dmg by 30 %
tropic linden
Literally never use IP if not for overcaping and still healing a shit ton because we have that much rage
median tulip
We don't actually have very many things to spend Rage on
lofty widget
Execute replaces Revenge when available
at 3 targets or less
light halo
What about ww?
ionic fern
Never
tardy lily
as DK it was easy, i see HP bar go down, i press Death Strike, i create Blood Shield 🤔
ionic fern
Don't even put it on your bars.
lofty widget
What about ww?
unbind it
topaz field
ww is actually a cast out of book spell
lofty widget
and throw it away
light halo
😮
silk pine
Is there an cap for haste i have like 33 % right now
dawn canyon
more
light halo
Dam I been screwing up then
tardy lily
Revenge does everything WW does, except better, that i know
lofty widget
Is there an cap for haste i have like 33 % right now
40 % then start prioing crit/vers
ionic fern
Dam I been screwing up then
I'm actually curious. How did you balance WW/Revenge?
Like what was your logic behind it?
median tulip
Is there an cap for haste i have like 33 % right now
No, but you get diminishing returns the higher you go
light halo
I just used it in big pulls when I had like so much rage I didn’t know what to do with
ionic fern
So..you diddn't use Revenge?
silk pine
40 % then start prioing crit/vers
Does haste from old warriors soul count into that amount?
light halo
I did but it had a longer cd
lofty widget
Does haste from old warriors soul count into that amount?
it's 40 % unbuffed, so no ITF, no trinkets etc
light halo
Like a second cd it’s not just instant?
ionic fern
It's legit the same as WW.
silk pine
it's 40 % unbuffed, so no ITF, no trinkets etc
Alright thank you
ionic fern
No CD:
lofty widget
well it has the GCD, but thats true for WW as well
light halo
Ah I dunno. Just felt like ww was faster
silk pine
I feel like def trinkets are good for duongens with many dots or Magie damage
lofty widget
I feel like def trinkets are good for duongens with many dots or Magie damage<:y...
they can be good, but generally good play will be enough to keep you alive
topaz field
apart from perhaps tazavesh and aegis from last season
but if u want defensive bonus and not just dmg you can run soleahs and elegy
light halo
Well I have some haste trinket right now and some random 233 one from zereth
So didn’t know what I should be aiming for as a noob
silk pine
they can be good, but generally good play will be enough to keep you alive
I dont like the 4packs in the Center of DoS. If people dont use Utility I struggle on These packs in 23 keys
lofty widget
sack+phial for most dps, AFE/soleahs/OWS if your haste is on the low end and want some defensive as peter mentioned as well
light halo
Well thanks for the info. Back to work for me
lofty widget
I dont like the 4packs in the Center of DoS. If people dont use Utility I strugg...
well sure, but if casts are going through 1 cast of scale isnt gonna save you usually, you can also do a lot to stop casts yourself
raven hatch
3.5k rio btw
lofty widget
dh died to breath twice 😄
strong forum
Rio doesn't say alot about individual skill
raven hatch
true that
but you'd hope he'd dodge breath... to be fair he died on first boss because of me, didn't vene his belch
strong forum
It's generally just "who spent more time in keys"
raven hatch
vene'd hiss econd though pog
topaz field
i think ur intervene should completely block he hit
silk pine
<@254338496733380618> do u mean the spinners?
What you mean with spinners?
raven hatch
nah he has to run out of the range tbh
can't point it at the team
but the 20% DR reduced the damage taken by alot
lofty widget
uhm
strong forum
You can intervene + reflect the spit
topaz field
@silk pine what mobs are killing u? the once with the debuff in hakar wing? I dont get it because prot should be super good
lofty widget
intervene transfers the belch to you
so they should take 0 dmg if you stack on them
raven hatch
ok
topaz field
ye its physical dmg
raven hatch
good info for my 24 😄
raven hatch
does the damage reflect or deflect?
silk pine
<@254338496733380618> what mobs are killing u? the once with the debuff in hakar...
The bone soldiers the big Castor dude. The 4 packs at start of DoS.
strong forum
Deflect
raven hatch
no fun :<
lofty widget
The bone soldiers the big Castor dude. The 4 packs at start of DoS.
trick to the skeletons is just keep moving in a small circle, then they can never hit you with their magic nuke
strong forum
The bone soldiers the big Castor dude. The 4 packs at start of DoS.
A classic, the soldiers do a 1y magic instant nuke
lofty widget
and you can pmuch solo kick/reflect the big guys
and use defensives for the scribe casts if the dps refuse to kick
silk pine
So just keep kiting bone soldiers
raven hatch
not looking forward to the fortified wake up call next week xD
lofty widget
well, you can "kite" them in a circle so they dont move from their spot
raven hatch
at the start of this week i felt like i pref fort because it's fun gettingslapped, now i'm starting to get slapped in my tyrans :<
lofty widget
at the start of this week i felt like i pref fort because it's fun gettingslappe...
idk, my experience this week has been watching my dps/healer die to mechanics while im chilling at 100 % and cant do a damn thing about them dying
raven hatch
hahhaa
raven hatch
yeah exactly, which is why fort is better when it's mostly on you... except when the dps don't kick
topaz field
the healers are mostly next lvl boosted
if a healer doesnt know how tanks work its actually over already
like u dont heal a dk like u heal a warrior
lofty widget
just throw some hots on us and we're fine majority of the time
topaz field
well e.g. it would solve genmaize problems
lofty widget
next week you will
raven hatch
haha
topaz field
i always bark my tank on that pull no matter what
raven hatch
yeah honestly, prot feels pretty good rn
lofty widget
prot is a freaking wall
topaz field
dont play brew guys
lofty widget
does not die if played correctly
raven hatch
it really is, diving into a 24 dos, I can actually tank the first pack without having to walll until big boy enrages
topaz field
because if u see how broken a 4 set can be u will not return to warrior
raven hatch
and then i just take it like a man woop
lofty widget
yeah but playing monk is also braindead
strong forum
Monk is literal faceroll spec
topaz field
nah monk is exactly the same as warrior
raven hatch
^ i've heard that
topaz field
u die to the same sort of enemies
strong forum
Nothing matters as long as you keep shuffle up and kegsmash on CD
acoustic fjord
Nuh uh. Prot has thunderclap
strong forum
Gg
tardy lily
only reason why i came to prot instead of bre since WoD for me was bc Monk doesnt use weapons anymore to smack enemies
topaz field
i mean from tanking perspective
raven hatch
i ripped a dos 24 yesterday though on manastorm... millhouuse!!!! he melee'd me for 36k and it caught me off guard, block just dropped, i had urh debuff and i just got slapped
lofty widget
i ripped a dos 24 yesterday though on manastorm... millhouuse!!!! he melee'd me ...
yeesh
it happens
raven hatch
the stars aligned for him to kill me honestly
I wouldn't let it happen again for sure
watched the shadowplay and scale just came off cd in time, if had done that i would have been fine but wasn't paying enough attention after i dropped to 9k and panic walled and fleshcrafted
tardy lily
which souldbind do i run as prot, if not emeni? 🤔
topaz field
marileth
dawn canyon
Marge
sweet summit
inspiring presence or w/e is kinda shit in keys, rather have endurance
silk pine
I like to play Show of Force only in Fortified and Ashen juggernaut in tyrannical
sweet summit
definitely run unnerving focus
lyric geode
Tyr weeks spamming execute is viable
I dont understand why WoW is laggin so much
I am not having internet connection problems
lofty widget
world boss/world pvp maybe
lyric geode
Still after 5 min
dawn canyon
Restart gam
civic burrow
Hey guys so I tanked my frst lfr whole raid yesterday is tank supposed to be mind numbing I didn't have as much fun as I thought...😅
civic burrow
I'll keep that in mind haha
sick sentinel
determination stacks, that is all
lofty widget
there's not a whole lot going on for tanks in raid outside mythic
sick sentinel
its lfr lol
lofty widget
exactly
timber slate
Tanking in raid is😴😴
Compared to m+
civic burrow
Ok so I'm not the only one alright I was about to lose hope and go back yo fury
topaz field
i would not even recommend my mother in law to join LFR
lyric geode
For some reason fury 100% uptime on banner OP while protection warrior 100% uptime it isn't ffs.
We need to get nerfed about uptime of banner thought
lofty widget
because they tune for dmg, not survivability
strong forum
Because fury is a dps
dawn canyon
We need to get nerfed about uptime of banner thought
Why are u complaing
Oh i see
I missunderstood
lyric geode
I am not complaining
lyric geode
because they tune for dmg, not survivability
Still we are the best ST.
tropic linden
Hey guys so I tanked my frst lfr whole raid yesterday is tank supposed to be min...
The staying alive in raid maybe until mythic is not that hard. The fun part is pressing lots of buttons and shaming ur DPSs
lyric geode
And mediocre MT
civic burrow
I did beat ashadow preist and warlock which no idea how
dawn canyon
Again
dense pewter
People afk during LFRs
lyric geode
I did beat ashadow preist and warlock which no idea how
!
dense pewter
And there's also plenty of freestyle dpsers in LFR too that just press whatever the fuck button suits their fancy without any thought.
strong forum
I mean in lfr I was legit top 5 dps with my 250ilvl 0pc having ass
Lfr is not a good benchmark
dense pewter
You can face tank essentially all mechanics too. It's a "story mode" version of the raid that was introduced specifically to give the giga-est of the casual playerbase a chance to fight the big baddies.
civic burrow
Ya I just thought it would be good practice to start since it's my time tanking
lyric geode
I used to hate muzhala.
Now I love because I can do dps as much of a dps.
Honestly I am a noob. But I can only maintain banner on execute phases.
How do you do it all the time.
dawn canyon
More ss Spam
blazing condor
manage your rage better usually
lyric geode
Gotcha
dense forge
Can i reflect urh's stomp?
lofty widget
Can i reflect urh's stomp?
no
timber slate
Moving away from it is easier
lyric geode
FC?
lofty widget
fleshcraft
hit it like 0.2 seconds before cast goes through and you wont be stunned
due to ultimate form
tropic linden
You can face tank essentially all mechanics too. It's a "story mode" version of ...
IMO was a rlly good addition
Great way to let ppl experience the story being giga casual
dawn canyon
Lfr is cool till u need to do it for tier
lyric geode
Lfr is fun.
tropic linden
Yeah... More content is always better just when u is the one to choose what u do
blazing condor
never did lfr for tier
or
not this patch
i dont need to minmax anything i dont raid or have any obligations
lyric geode
Lfr is fun because you can tilt a lot of people.
tropic linden
Like thorghast, pretty fun after it's not mandatory
I raid in an AOTC guild, never did LFR for tier. Not like it makes a difference
Just needed 1 more week
But mythic players are rlly tryhard
dawn canyon
If i have a chance for player power i will take it
wild hemlock
I mean in lfr I was legit top 5 dps with my 250ilvl 0pc having ass
take a shot for every time nome says i did this
at 250 ilvl 0 or 2 piece lololol
timber slate
LFR Halondrus is a nightmare though
raven hatch
well
timed the 24 nw boys
and the vene reflect on the belch
fuck me how did i not know that
it's pog
lyric geode
and the vene reflect on the belch
?
lofty widget
timed the 24 nw boys
strong forum
take a shot for every time nome says i did this
Yeah I feel dumb and dumber saying it
wild hemlock
it also makes a great point though
blazing condor
point being nom is a big darn gamer
wild hemlock
it just funny
raven hatch
?
on first boss in NW you can intervene the belch and spell reflect it
neither you or the other dude takes any damage
wild hemlock
that you have to show people you did the same thing with 15-20 less ilvl
to get them to understand the class lol
lyric geode
on first boss in NW you can intervene the belch and spell reflect it
The slimes get spawn?
strong forum
Yea, it's a decent benchmark
Just to say "yo you can do this without need for 286 equipped"
lyric geode
Who cares, they shall used defensive or the healer is bad 🤯
raven hatch
haha
tawny maple
hey guys with BDK being unplayable tomorrow is prot any good???
lyric geode
haha
Honestly, and besides of that. Nobody would understand your move. So nobody would praise you. So waste of time :D
mighty egret
hey guys with BDK being unplayable tomorrow is prot any good???
Always has been
tawny maple
strong forum
Red class infiltrator
blazing condor
red sus
raven hatch
Honestly, and besides of that. Nobody would understand your move. So nobody woul...
yeah nobody had any idea what was going on for sure
mighty egret
Red ded
hard vessel
Who cares, they shall used defensive or the healer is bad 🤯
Some meta classes have not enough defensive to live through 2 or 3 times being targeted.. Yep it's the surv huntard reroll
lofty widget
if you have the option to completely negate a mechanic, why wouldnt you is the real question
lyric geode
Some meta classes have not enough defensive to live through 2 or 3 times being t...
Survival of the fittest
hard vessel
Ye and on 24 these class gets one shot by this mechanic
hard vessel
Survival of the fittest
Dude 3 min CD
If it's on CD and turtle, and your healer is shaman you die
timber slate
Feign death
timber slate
Works on castigate (2nd boss in SD)
lofty widget
at least it's not their problem anymore
mellow bridge
different spells
for castigate you have to take one hit and then you can FD it
because the cast is actually done
for NW first boss it doesnt work because all the dmg is in that one single hit
timber slate
Ok
mellow bridge
if you can negate someone being almost oneshot in a high key, why wouldnt you
timber slate
Been 1 year since i played a DPS spec lol
mellow bridge
it's a teamgame
lofty widget
yea im bad at pressing FC
tropic linden
Idk what's wrong with my details
When i click buff uptime for the dungeon it doesn't show me
Only if i select a specific pull it shows me, but not for the whole dungeon
and logs are terrible to see buff uptime
lyric geode
and logs are terrible to see buff uptime
!
craggy pilot
swapped necro
lyric geode
make protection warrior class being able to yield 2 handed sword witha shield
craggy pilot
and im doing 2k less dps in keys now 😦
tropic linden
and im doing 2k less dps in keys now 😦
What's ur banner uptime? And I don't think necro is more DPS, deff more survivability
craggy pilot
not sure, i didnt log the key
tropic linden
Details tell u that
tropic linden
highest banner uptime yet <:Sighted:668436711973584907>
Like here
timber slate
Only if i select a specific pull it shows me, but not for the whole dungeon
Select overall instead of current
lyric geode
high uptime in banners yields more avatar.
craggy pilot
how do i see that? 🤔
tropic linden
Select overall instead of current
Oh, thanks. Will try when I get home
lyric geode
Folks, I have a awesome synergy
2 protection warriors with Unbreakable will on jailor's mythic
tropic linden
how do i see that? 🤔
Select buff uptime in details
tropic linden
Select overall instead of current
Try this
stable valve
started the patch playing resto shaman and fury, then got my 3k io this tier as blood. guys it's time for me to come back and get prot nerfed
for the necro lego
does the free IP from an outburst shield slam or the free shield block from reprisal count as spending rage?
grave crane
No I don’t think so. Your gaining free IP so no rage is spent
lofty widget
for the necro lego
does the free IP from an outburst shield slam or the free shi...
it does not
stable valve
Yeah I figured that was the case. Just wanted to double check because sometimes free shit counts for some classes
warped mulch
for anyone who has done rygelon, what combo of defensives have you found works for the explosion?
stable valve
Ez pwar buff right there 🙂
lofty widget
for anyone who has done rygelon, what combo of defensives have you found works f...
SW is enough
grave crane
for anyone who has done rygelon, what combo of defensives have you found works f...
I use SW and SR
warped mulch
Cool, I hoped so. One of those the number the tooltip says cut in half is way to big situations, but tank ability tooltips always seem to do that.
ocean yoke
the explosion is physical damage, so it gets cut by armor then with wall youre good
lyric geode
For rygelon, i found myself having wounds.
The tooltip says that I have to have mitigation up for that not to happen, but even if I have SB uptime, I still get wounds.
ocean yoke
the mitigation lowers the damage the dot does, you still get it untless you fully shield the corrupted strikes
lyric geode
the mitigation lowers the damage the dot does, you still get it untless you full...
?
What do you mean by fully shield
ocean yoke
like necrolord fleshcraft going into pull
lyric geode
So IP works too?
chilly brook
rygelon just trucks
ocean yoke
Very fun fight though, super easy to charge weave constantly so you can reach dumb cpm numbers
urban portal
You always get wounds right
Cuz that’s tank swap mech
They aren’t just gonna allow you to skip a tank swap
shut summit
what he said is correct, if full absorbed you don't get a stack
only way I've reliably done it on mythic is fleshcraft or aegis
urban portal
So no need to tank swap on heroic?
ocean yoke
youll still want to swap unless you can full absorb every like other one or 2
ocean yoke
swap is ez time to charge anyway