protection

[maiden ravine]

I press it just to hear it.

[strong forum]

vdh gets really really easy in aoe

pally isnt that easy, but its easier to understand how it works

its more on the nose

BDK is hard to min max, especially with 4p it has a crazy high skill ceiling

but its BDK so big heal looks good, and it has the stigma ( for whatever reason ) that it doesnt need a healer, its a strong independant tank who dont (they do) need no healer

[maiden ravine]

😄 It this 11 SD I did I actually needed the least healing out of all 5

[inland geyser]

Anyone got macro for warriors covenant abilities?

[strong forum]

well 11s arent really a standard to go by, i dont need a healer in my 15s as pwar either

or 20 even with gear

[maiden ravine]

well most tanks a pretty self sufficient these days, maybe I'm weird but warriors feel easier than most in that regard with their tools

[thorny stone]

i only needed 1.3 EHRPS on a plaguefall 20, and im terrible at pwarrior

[strong forum]

sense only needed 1.3k ehrps in a 25streets on raging fort, literally floorpov unplayable tank

😔

truly unfortunate

better reroll

lmao

[bright dock]

#showtooltip
/cast [@heavy mirage] Spear of Bastion
/cast Conqueror's Banner
/cast Ancient Aftershock
/run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Spear of Bastion" or G"Conqueror's Banner"or G"Ancient Aftershock")

[strong forum]

only 840ehrps in top24

https://i.imgur.com/JIePUca.png

[bright dock]

i use @heavy mirage just only kyr for fury

you can take that out if you are kyr as prot

[bright dock]

#showtooltip
/cast Spear of Bastion
/cast Conqueror's Banner
/cast Ancient Aftershock
/run local G=GetSpellInfo SetMacroSpell(GetRunningMacro(), G"Spear of Bastion" or G"Conqueror's Banner"or G"Ancient Aftershock")

thats if you dont want it at your feet

[maiden ravine]

I know I'm a pleb. I may do 20s this season but my typical goal is only KSM. My warrior is only 252 so far

[strong forum]

then your goal is bigger than mine

my sub ran out today cuz i CBA

[maiden ravine]

hah

[woven laurel]

would anyone be able to help me with mythic the nine sometime? Trying to get shard

[orchid garden]

Thanks a lot!

[lyric geode]

Cba?

[mighty valley]

can't be assed

[inland geyser]

Thanks!

[keen epoch]

Hello guys, bsc or booming voice for m+?

I'm watching sense's stream and he is using BV o:

[odd tree]

I could see BV being used during tyran weeks

[strong forum]

BV for more boss dmg and easier banner uptime Management

BSC for more overall dmg

Outside of low pull count dungeons like top or soa

[keen epoch]

Cool. Ty.

[maiden ravine]

It's 2022, why do hunters not have countershot bound yet

[sturdy sable]

Its 2022 and hunters still dont md me

[vernal vale]

It's 2022 and hunters still pull extra shit

[dawn canyon]

it's 2022

[strong forum]

It

[dawn canyon]

'S

[analog bear]

why head for unity after getting 4 set?

ah nvm. insta socket and big stat increase

me dumb

[sweet summit]

ur not dumb u got to the right conclusion by yourself

[tepid bobcat]

Tips on surviving when you're soaking the orbs on 3rd boss SoA? Just pop shield wall and hope your healer does the rest?

[dawn canyon]

reflect

[strong forum]

And pray for your healer

[tepid bobcat]

I used reflect earlier but was still very dicey!

[strong forum]

Pwar sucks against orb soaking

[lime urchin]

Or equip aegis

[lofty widget]

take 5 orbs>pop def trinket>soak rest>pop wall+SR for the last 5 seconds

[eager star]

what would be your rank from hardest to easiest to master tank specs?

[tepid bobcat]

Sadly, I havent got a trinket yet. But ty, I shall give that a try

[strong forum]

Bdk = pwar > pally > vdh > bear = monk

[sick sentinel]

read the route correctly to note put your group through hell

i learned that one today

[eager star]

thanks

[wraith hemlock]

I still haven't managed to get a scale on my warrior and all I've is a codex

is the alchemy trinket bad? (262)

[grave crane]

Have a hunter turtle them

[sturdy sable]

Not at all its just not great

[wraith hemlock]

the other option is the stat trinket from jailer lmao

[sturdy sable]

Scars?

Doesnt that like actively troll you?

[wraith hemlock]

yeah

now trying to decide which enhancement to grab lmao I know they are minimal but if I'm already making the trinket might as well enhance it

[timber dagger]

I've been playing around with NL prot lately

and I find that emini is much better than Marileth

has anyone else tried emini

only benefit a tank get from playing Marileth is ooz's frictionless coating

[grave crane]

I tried emeni back in SOD and didn’t really see a huge difference I prefer Maribeth or heimer

[timber dagger]

i meant tanking in m+ mostly

you get 13% more str for 20seconds in m+ when you use banner, also give your party primary stat

can either get haste buff after mobs die or movement speed nearby enemies to help you walk back and charge for your lego proc

fleshcrafting while moving is very nice too

[mighty valley]

kevin's oozeling is huge

[timber dagger]

it only procs when your hp goes down below 50% though

[mighty valley]

?

[timber dagger]

oh i meant the 15% shield thingy

my bad

but that's only good in ST situation

Resilient Stitching does average of 650k healing in m+

Pustule Eruption nice aoe boost too

[lofty widget]

you dont channel FC so 🤷

[timber dagger]

what do you mean you don't channel fc

[lofty widget]

it's time wasted where you should be generating/spending rage

taking 3 seconds to do nothing is big no no

[timber dagger]

you can cast it

while moving

if you use emini

[lofty widget]

sure, but you cant use other abilities

[timber dagger]

in between pulls

you can

[sick sentinel]

wouldn't that be good with the weapon enchant makes your target debuff to take, uh, 7% more dps? i think?

[timber dagger]

• if you have banner downtime

and during pull

you can still channel FC while moving

flat 20% dr is pretty good

[lofty widget]

spending rage is better

[strange lintel]

[timber dagger]

like i said

if you don't have banner buff active..

[lofty widget]

we're not just spending rage for banner

we also have AM y'kno

[timber dagger]

lol

3 sec cast while moving to next pull is not a waste

[lofty widget]

like, why would you ever stop doing any dps/feeding into am/banner for a tiny shield thats gone in 10 seconds

[timber dagger]

• shield is not tiny at all

on my 22 sd run

my fc shielded for 110k

[odd tree]

This discussion happened a few days ago

[timber dagger]

i mean 1110k

[orchid garden]

I just played a key and had ~15% Banner uptime. Now i realised that the Bonus of Unity doesnt work and it does not enhance the timer. Any idea what could cause that problem?

[timber dagger]

try unequip it

and equip it back

[orchid garden]

i did, changed my spec aswell and reloaded

[timber dagger]

are you using a weakaura to track the timer

[orchid garden]

Yes

But it fits to the buff

And my WA worked before

[timber dagger]

idk why but

[orchid garden]

But my IP weakaura is bugged aswell

[timber dagger]

my weakaura cannot track

extended

duration of banner

but timer is getting extended

if you see your actually buff on top right of your screen

[orchid garden]

That wasnt a problem for me before.

[median tulip]

Marileth's Viscous Trail ability is also useful for us, because of how it does proc from TClap

[timber dagger]

it procs from tclap??

[median tulip]

Yes

[timber dagger]

isn't it when you get struck by snare

not when enemies get struck by snare

[orchid garden]

But isnt viscous trail only activated when you get snared?

[timber dagger]

^

[median tulip]

I'm aware of what the tooltip says. Now press TClap. See that green puddle? That's the Viscous Snare effect.

[orchid garden]

Gonna test it in a second

[timber dagger]

but I need

[median tulip]

Once per 60s, obviously

[timber dagger]

finesse conduit

[median tulip]

The tooltip lies

[orchid garden]

Which is very unreliable, especially if you want to tank on a certain spot on the opening of a fight

[timber dagger]

for intervene dr

and I find

my movement speed increase is better than

enemy slowed

[lofty widget]

marileth 3p 2e 1f

[orchid garden]

Doesnt work for me

Having it active, using tclap

no slow zone on the ground

[timber dagger]

60 seconds slow

puddle

[median tulip]

It'll work once per 60s

[timber dagger]

i don't know

if that's any valuble

[orchid garden]

it doesnt proc

not even once per 120s

and 20% of tclap is enough to kite

[lofty widget]

^

[timber dagger]

like give it

a try

with emini

and please

let me know

[orchid garden]

Having it every 60s would also be very unreliable, if you would ever need it.

[timber dagger]

i feel like it's much better than maril

moving fc ftw

[median tulip]

Looks like this:

[orchid garden]

I prefered Emeni on my RDruid for the Absorb while moving. Its a huge QoL Improvement for me.

[timber dagger]

it's really good for prot warr too

I ran 22sd yesterday

my health never went below 70%

[orchid garden]

Gonna try it in the next keys on my prot aswell. But i also like the other abilities. Like having 13% more strength when i pop my banner

Having the magic absorb

etc

[timber dagger]

that too yea

[orchid garden]

especially magic, which is rather critical for me as warrior

[timber dagger]

magic absorb shield did 700k on 22 hoa run yesterday

which I think is huge

flesh craft did 1110k

this is probably because I use first sigil fc as well

but still

[lofty widget]

well you shouldnt use sigil in keys either

[timber dagger]

please

just because you think

it's basd

[orchid garden]

Having Fleshcraft while moving is also better in some situations. The extra movement speed (15%) is also great for kiting and charging. Emeni is the QoL soulbind for me.

[timber dagger]

don't tell me like you know everything lol

[lofty widget]

why would you ever need 1300 vers on a5 min cd in keys

its good for parsing in raid

[timber dagger]

it's flat dr for 20 seconds

• huge damage

and you also get fc shield

why not

big pull with lust I pump almost 30k dps

[lofty widget]

cause there are better alternatives if you want dmg

[timber dagger]

like?

[lofty widget]

sack+phial

[timber dagger]

phial is shit for tanks

[lofty widget]

it avgs 3-400 dps for me so, not really

[timber dagger]

I did 12k overall dps in SD 22 yesterday

2+ it

[median tulip]

The best use for Sigil is to have it equipped before you put the key in, so you can use Rallying Cry + Last Stand + Sigil to get the maximum Fleshcraft for the first pull, and then replace it before the key starts

[timber dagger]

@orchid garden try emini and let me know what it feels like

[lofty widget]

and i did 13k in a 25 last week

[orchid garden]

I will do my next key tomorrow morning. Going to bed now (living in EU)

But i just tested some stuff in the open world, for kiting purposes etc

[sick sentinel]

it's time

[orchid garden]

and it feels amazing to have the movement speed + tc speed reduction on enemies

[timber dagger]

its eaiser to walk back and charge

for your lego proc too

[orchid garden]

100%

[orchid garden]

gz!

[orchid garden]

Also what i dont like about Marileth is that you are forced to keep the absorb up to gain mastery

With Emeni you always have the primary trait active, because you use Banner on CD

[lofty widget]

no, you just tap FC on CD and you get the buff for 2 minutes

[sick sentinel]

i invited someone to a 9 gamb and it didn't go well at all, i was not prepared.

[orchid garden]

But you cant channel the absorb while running around between pulls for example

[sick sentinel]

they got the helmet and offered it up so i took

[lofty widget]

you dont have to channel it

just press fc then continue your rotation

[orchid garden]

And lose on a 60k shield

[lofty widget]

the shield is really negligeble

trust me

[orchid garden]

Having it or not having it. Of course you dont need it

[mighty egret]

you guys are putting too much importance into FC

lol

[lofty widget]

but youre getting it at the expense of other more important things

[orchid garden]

i'm just tanked 16 +2 with a 239 shield. There is nothing you really need. I could play Venthyr and gg.

[lofty widget]

like banner uptime and fueling AM

[orchid garden]

Thats an argument

[lofty widget]

do you think FC is more important than banner uptime and AM+

[orchid garden]

No. But we were talking Marileth vs Emeni

And i honestly dont see the benefit of Marileth over Emeni

[timber dagger]

same

[orchid garden]

120 mastery vs 13% strength for 20s when you pop the banner, while also giving some primary stats to your group. Only that is huge

[sick sentinel]

yeah it dropped helm for a dk who has helm shoulders chest and we had paladin in group as well seemed like alt, 245 ilvl and no set

[chrome falcon]

marileth makes you take 5% less magic damage for the majority of your key

and kevin fucks hard too

dodging CC with marileth is sometimes nice too

[lofty widget]

plagueborers in PF, bindings from the overseer in SD just to name a few ^

[sick sentinel]

what conduits for necro key

[chrome falcon]

second fear cast on mists too

when you don't have zerker rage back

[timber dagger]

where does 5% less magic damage come from

[lofty widget]

the very first trait

[chrome falcon]

marileth gives you various different passives for having FC on cooldown

[orchid garden]

the cc aspect is good, true. But how do you take 5% less magic damage?

[chrome falcon]

the one for sucking a mechanical soul is 5% less magic damage

urh relic AND the actual urh mob are both mechanicals

[orchid garden]

Ahh

[chrome falcon]

or well

any relic obviously

[orchid garden]

Good to know!

[timber dagger]

yeah good to know

[orchid garden]

Thanks for your reply

[chrome falcon]

[timber dagger]

but idk about cc immune on tank being that useful

i only find it useful on boss in street

who sucks you in

[chrome falcon]

it's not amazing

but it comes up sometimes

[lofty widget]

it will def save you in PF

[sick sentinel]

no idea if this is a good set up for it at all

[lofty widget]

it immunes the dmg from phlegm like pre-freedom

[chrome falcon]

yeah that's fine yogi

i take the first potency though

adaptive armour fragment > condensed anima sphere imo

but it's very minor

[timber dagger]

i'd take out tc damage conduit too

[sick sentinel]

3 endurance the way im doing it but

[chrome falcon]

the literal only thing emeni is offering you is her first trait and i just think marileth offers more

[median tulip]

You cannot skip Ooz's frictionless coating

It's amazing

[sick sentinel]

execute conduit over revenge buffs tc everytime?

99% of time u know what i mean

[median tulip]

Tyr week

[orchid garden]

You also have the magic shield, 15% movement speed, can use FC while leaping to the next group

[mighty egret]

AJ for tyr SoF is good on fort

[orchid garden]

or using fc while kiting

[timber dagger]

magic shield does about 700k in 30mins dungeon

[chrome falcon]

no 15% movement speed

unless you're dropping banner

[sick sentinel]

well, i thought i read that SoF is just bad, hell yeah i got 252 stalwart from that dungeon too

[timber dagger]

15% movement speed is very good too

[urban portal]

it is

both are bad

oen is just less bad

[median tulip]

TBQH neither AJ not SoF is particularly good, but AJ is my play on Tyr weeks and SoF on Fort

[sick sentinel]

could be IV both of those are terrible.... impending victory and indelible vict.... bleh....

[median tulip]

Some people would advocate for MBG

[urban portal]

not with tier

with tier you cant go mbg

[median tulip]

Why?

[urban portal]

the opportunity cost of Ww is revenge

revenge procs SS resets

[chrome falcon]

can't spend globals on stuff that doesn't make rage

[urban portal]

you just gain less rage if you are wwing

[chrome falcon]

it's so depressing

i want to spam whirlwind

[sick sentinel]

i will miss plague deviser marileth when we leave SL

[chrome falcon]

it does SO much fucking damage it's actually insane

[sick sentinel]

i like him/her alot, seems like a character that would have a nice story behind them

[urban portal]

is it even that much more damage

is the real question

i can sim that

but idk how good the curren tank sims are

[timber dagger]

revenge is just clearly better though

[urban portal]

its a lot more tooltip damage

[timber dagger]

even if it does more damage

[urban portal]

the only question is that you miss out on the shield slams

theres definitely a point where ww hits harder

[timber dagger]

and it's 10 more rage to spend

right

[urban portal]

may be 8-10 or so

[median tulip]

Except with MBG, which was kinda my point

[urban portal]

its 10 more rage but does like double damage

[lofty widget]

we're not opposed to spending rage, but WW cant proc SS, revenge can

[median tulip]

True, but when buffed with MBG WW does more damage

(it's mostly the Seismic chad play

[urban portal]

fun fact

seismic makes revenge better than ww

you literally dont wanna cast ww even with mbg with seismic @median tulip

it only buffs 1 tick of ww

but it buffs the whole revenge

[chrome falcon]

with banner, bonegrinder, and avatar

whirlwind hits for 12k PER TARGET

[urban portal]

all those modifiers all apply to revenge outside of mbg ofc

[chrome falcon]

sure

[lofty widget]

thats a lot of dmg

[chrome falcon]

i'm not saying it's good to actually do

but the damage on it is insane

[timber dagger]

seismic needs to be modified though

it only buffs 1 tick of ww

is a joke

[chrome falcon]

it's really weird that it's so dogshit with ww and so good with revenge yeah

[timber dagger]

yeah

[sick sentinel]

it would make more sense if it buffs SS or something useful

[timber dagger]

blizzard really need to start buffing legos that aren't used for whole 2 years

why spend time making those legos

when they are not gonna get used for whole expansion

just so dumb

[urban portal]

seismic is meant to be a pure damage aoe leggo

but yeah its weak af

[sick sentinel]

some of them are not a problem of they are not good fundmentally idea, rather that they suck in real world scenario

[urban portal]

its used on protoype

[lofty widget]

i kinda prefer only having to craft one leggo

and so does my wallet

[sick sentinel]

UW comes to mind

its not bad, but its a situational thing

that could be fantastic under right circumstance in keys, half of 50% is 25% so you throw that up and your entire team is getting a base of 25% DR for 8 seconds now with a second charge for later, like for xaz or something i think nome mentions in TOP at high lvls the center jump is unavoidable at 1 shots at some levels, this is maybe what could be done.

[urban portal]

you know what else kills you in high keys

melees

[timber dagger]

like if they make legendaries like

2nd talent

we don't need to spend so much money crafting all of them

and buff those that are not used for whole expansion

we get to have more choices and make game wholesome better

[median tulip]

The only reason Thunderlord legendary exists is so Bliz could claim they hadn't totally nerfed the BfA Prot playstyle (spoiler: They had totally nerfed the BfA Prot playstyle)

[hasty cedar]

Hey people I am having threat issues with my pwar, i am playing kyrian atm, any tips for help

And Necro or night fae it's better to handle this ?

[median tulip]

Spear on pull should sort all your problems

Kyrian actually has better snap aggro at the start of a fight; Spear is a big truckload of Threat, delivered fresh to the mobs door.

[lyric geode]

Why tauren is the best prot warrior class?

[amber herald]

big

[tight aurora]

big

stomper boy

[hasty cedar]

So I think I am doing something wrong

[tight aurora]

serches if ur here sry for dying so much in that nw never done one that high

[median tulip]

You've probably just got mad DPS that are hitting mobs before you can even press a button

[hasty cedar]

Generally it's a hunter get agro

[median tulip]

Tell your Hunter to use Misdirect

Hunters that don't use MD on cooldown are gibbering idiots

"Hey, here's a button that lets me do more damage without getting threat? How about I completely ignore that"

Mind you 98% of all hunters fall into the aforementioned "gibbering idiot" demographic

[chrome falcon]

you just spear the mobs

and you can't lose threat

[lyric geode]

I was not one if them.

[chrome falcon]

you also have ravager

[lyric geode]

To inform you.

[chrome falcon]

you're probably pressing too many thunderclaps

and assuming it does damage

revenge for threat

[hasty cedar]

I will log a dg and see logs

[median tulip]

Opinion: Bliz should bring back the increased threat effect for Thunderclap

[lyric geode]

I even used traps to interrupt casts.

[hasty cedar]

I think I am pressing TC too much

[chrome falcon]

if you think you are, you definitely are

[lyric geode]

TC and run.

[median tulip]

Using your CC to prevent damage incoming? That's like... advanced Huntering

[hasty cedar]

And I got 4pc this week

[cinder pasture]

It dropped

[hasty cedar]

This should help too

[chrome falcon]

never use 4pc on thunderclap

ever

[lyric geode]

Even stepping closer to adds to use bursting shot even I played MM

[median tulip]

If you don't already have one, either look up or make a Weakaura to track the set bonuses

[lyric geode]

Ah, Mm hunter, what memories.

King of content in CN.

Well rounded class.

[median tulip]

I had an MM hunter. I used to camp on the walls of Revendreth and snipe Alliance trying to do WQs with WM on in the valley below

[lyric geode]

Ah, yes. The extra range. Used to do it in WoD.

To camp kill people on ally's base.

[hasty cedar]

I have one, just to need more attention to it. I stopped tank in 9.2 so need to get more comfortable again

[lyric geode]

On hellfire citadel. What memories.

Tanaan jungle*

Manly spec.

[median tulip]

I made mine make sounds; I find reacting to audio cues is easier than tracking the weakaura visually

YMMV ofc

[lyric geode]

Going to Trueshot longe to greet my boys for once.

[median tulip]

The Hunter Discord? That place is a pit

[hasty cedar]

Thanks for help

[median tulip]

NP, that's why we are here

[hasty cedar]

Yeah it's a good idea

[median tulip]

I now have a Pavlovian reaction to the "high Rage" noise to push IP

[sick sentinel]

no promises, but i may submit more keys in the log review as videos with logs, try to get to root of issue

[urban portal]

I wish bullfango was back

[sick sentinel]

maybe my videos are like the batman, aka bull, signal to the joker location for, cuz im a clown lol

[lilac meteor]

So don’t use warrior 4piece ever on thunderclap? Even aoe?

[lofty widget]

always on SS

[sick sentinel]

it turns SS from hitting like a pool noodle into it hits like a stop sign post

[median tulip]

TClap is a trap with an Outburst proc

I wish they'd just remove it from the set bonus effect

[dark lark]

Or increase rage gained per target hit

That would be fun

As it stands tclap is pretty much a dead key bind with Necro 4p because every global that isn't SS is pretty much revenge

[median tulip]

TClap generating more Rage would obviously be good, but hard to balance out. If it was 5+2/target (to a max of 5 targets) then it would equal Shield Slam for generation on packs.

[dark lark]

Even that would be great

[odd tree]

Sounds good

[median tulip]

If you push it higher it becomes outright better than SS on packs, which they probably don't want, but it's still worse than SS on single target

TClap definitely need some love, though. It's still suffering from the massive nerf bat that it took at the end of BfA

[timber dagger]

our talent tree in bfa was perfect

and blizzard fked it up so hard

;

[dark lark]

Counterpoint to the BFA talents is that it left a bunch of dead unused talents for the entire expansion

Counter counterpoint is maybe they can just design better talents

I also miss BFA talents though, they could've just reigned in our numbers and not fuck with our playstyle

9.0 prot warrior without reprisal was so fucking awful

Using thunderlord Lego jfc

[timber slate]

I use Leaper leggo in keys👀

[dark lark]

Boring boing

[runic ermine]

Any prot tips for rygelon?

[maiden ravine]

For better or worse, blizzard hates talent synergy. Maybe it'll be better in 10.0

[median tulip]

So... exactly the same as it is now, except for a different set of talents?

[dark lark]

Well the BFA set was better 😉

But yes, talent design is so bad across every class

[pine summit]

Ok, gonna ask here as well. Is it still possibile to pull mobs in mists maze with first technique?

[trim bay]

hey guys on dausegne if i have a CD or active mitigation on when my stacks of infused strikes drop off does that reduce the damage of unleashed infusion?

or is that just flat out regardless

[peak pagoda]

Probably asked to death but couldn't find the answer (sorry for bothering!)

How does critical block work exactly? E.g. if my blocks reduce damage by 40% on my current target according to the tooltip, does critical block:

• Block 40% of the 60% that went through: Reduce damage by (0.6*0.4)+0.4 = 0.64 (64%)?

• Block 80%?

• Or block based on some DR formula, just like how Brewmaster's Stagger doubles?

Thanks!

[urban portal]

Think it’s the 3rd

Look up “block tank notes”

On google

[strong forum]

Crit block is just twice the amount of a normal block

Caps at 85%

And there is a DR formula just like with armor

[peak pagoda]

seems to have a formula here

how much block does e.g. a 272 shield have?

[strong forum]

K value - reduces effectiveness based on instance type

Whatever your tooltip says, critblock does twice of that against said target

All you really need to know is that you can't really reach critblock cap

And that block is less effective in raid compared to m+ (but that applies to every armor based mitigation)

[peak pagoda]

hmm

yeah

so if that formula is correct

[strong forum]

Usually a max ilvl shield grants ~40-43% block DR

Haven't really checked since late bfa so it could be different now but doesn't really matter

You can't increase block value anymore anyway

[peak pagoda]

a 278 shield (2257 block) blocks for 41% and a critical block blocks for 82% (in m+)

ah yeah it just doubles it in the formula lmao I'm dumb

[strong forum]

:)

[peak pagoda]

tfw you study maths and still can't identify scalar multiplication

[urban portal]

Not exactly doubling your block cuz some math shinanigans

[strong forum]

No

[urban portal]

Yeah

[strong forum]

It's literally double

That's what critblock does

[urban portal]

It doesn’t go from 41%dr to 82%

[strong forum]

Literally double

It does

[peak pagoda]

according to https://tanknotes.com/resources/armor-block#K-values it does

[strong forum]

Effectively, sure the jump is much much much larger

[urban portal]

Ok yeah my math is bad

[peak pagoda]

haha yeah had the same struggle 😛

[strong forum]

But in absolutes, its double

[urban portal]

Yeah going from 41 to 82 is like 3x block

So crit block is much more than just doubling ehp

Because you go from taking 60% of the hit to 20% of the hit

[strong forum]

That's why armor gets better the more you have of it

[peak pagoda]

and specifically for SS 278 it goes from 42% to 84% (in M+), very close to cap

[strong forum]

Despite the DR

Cuz effectively, you reduce the dmg by larger and larger portions

[peak pagoda]

there's no DR on hitting critical blocks, right?

like there is on parry

[strong forum]

Nop

[peak pagoda]

thanks for the quick and clear response 🙂 - I wish the in-game tooltips were clearer

[urban portal]

Nome you think some world 100 guilds are gonna reroll prot war

To not be terrorized by jailer autos

[strong forum]

Potentially

[urban portal]

Yeah wow tooltips are ass

[strong forum]

But they'd rather try anything else I reckon

Because they big dumb

[urban portal]

Prepull stoneskin

Imagine needing to do that

[strong forum]

Not alot of people have a geard pwar

[urban portal]

That’s true

[strong forum]

So I think they'll try double monk on reclears

Or bdk will only taunt for tank mechanic

Exclusively

[urban portal]

Gonna take what, a month to get a prot war to 265 ish?

[strong forum]

Na, like 1 day with funneling

[urban portal]

Oh yeah

Hit up m+

Go brazy

[strong forum]

Well first HC raid with funnel

Then get KSM

Then farm mythic bosses until rygelon

It can be done in a week, but it takes a whole guilds effort

But surely other tanks are capable of killing jailer

He only Autos every 3.1sec with curse

Hm okay according to public logs only monks and bdks have killed him, and 1 guardian druid

[urban portal]

So like 3 globals

[strong forum]

This is rygelon

[sick sentinel]

what about anduin?

bdk is like 100% taken there right

[strong forum]

?

Wdym by that

Ah you mean if bdk will still be played there

Yes, only jailer is extremely dangerous to bdk

[sick sentinel]

yeah

[strong forum]

Any other boss doesn't matter

[sick sentinel]

ah okay

[strong forum]

Rygelons dmg comes from a dot, parrying autos isn't as vital there

[urban portal]

You need 2 dks on anduin

[sick sentinel]

[urban portal]

And prob don’t have 2 dps dk

[sick sentinel]

we play brewmaster and bdk

1 dps dk

[strong forum]

Jailers melee dmg however is like 250k pre-mit, so if a bdk doesn't parry he drops to like 20% hp every 3 seconds

[sick sentinel]

but its fine thus far

[strong forum]

And if he can't pool RP between Autos, he's dead

[sick sentinel]

jesus

no fun

so

during the big circle

cant remember the name

when everyone gateway’s out

is that bad for bdk?

[strong forum]

I don't think during cast defile he does anything

[sick sentinel]

ah okay

prot is becoming a very good chat to be in

i dont play it but i learn a lot about specific stuff i can tell my tanks about

[strong forum]

This is why jailer will be hard for bdks

Cuz you ain't gna be parrying that much of those 270k Autos

Pwar will be laughing at those however, with block + avatar up we'll reduce that thing down to like 20k

With critblock even less

The issue for pwar will be the tank buster however

150k magic hit followed by an 18sec dot ticking for 48k every single second

Hm although with all the % reductions we have, might not be that much afterall, will just require spothealing a bit

[urban portal]

Having a fully charged ip+a beacon is plenty

So hpals change beacon based on active tank or no

[strong forum]

Well ideally they have beacon on both tanks

Cuz you ain't gonna be actively tanking with that dot on you

[urban portal]

Oh yeah there's a double beacon talent

[dawn canyon]

Thats also why BDK is/was so fucking cracked

Dratnos guild with him on BDK DIDNT beacon him

[raven hatch]

sadge

[dawn canyon]

Dont worry

Theyll nerf the last 2 other viable tanks

And then pwar meta

Just gotta kill pala and brew

[blazing condor]

[dawn canyon]

The second an andybrew touches pwar we might finally be popular again

[mental scarab]

No i wonna be the shit tank

And surprise ppl

”Eyh prot warriors arnt shit”

[blazing condor]

truth i don't want pwarr to be meta

maybe not be considered the bottom-barrel tank class

but not have everyone reroll to play it

[dawn canyon]

So like now is perfect

[blazing condor]

always has been

[dusky sentinel]

Facts

[mental scarab]

[rapid trench]

it was my understanding that curse doesnt work on jailer

[sweet summit]

it does not

[rapid trench]

[lime urchin]

Frens

Is Tattman the warrior also part of this discord

And I saw him using a toy or something to CC on one of the slimes during 2nd boss of PF, anyone knows what this could be?

[dawn canyon]

Engineering

Soul trap

Could be it

[blazing condor]

seems like it

[lime urchin]

Hm yes I think that’s it

Thank you!

[gray iris]

hey guys would you go for fueled by violence or brutal vitality?

[blazing condor]

FbV

brutal vitality loses value with tier sets cus youre gonna be dumping so much rage into hard-casted IPs

so youre always gonna be capping your IP anyway. dont need the passive (and not even that good) gain

[gray iris]

okay thanks

[vapid sage]

Hey guys, back from a lengthy break. How's prot doing atm compared to the other tanks from a M+ PoV?

[blazing condor]

We’re pretty great

Really strong rn

[primal cape]

dont look at tank tier list

[blazing condor]

So is p much every other tank as well though

And theyre more popular

Some can bring more utility to a dungeon but you can do any key really as a pwarr

[lime urchin]

*different utility

[blazing condor]

I mean yeah

Idk i feel like a prot pala can bring way more than us in that department

We have battle shout, rally and …?

Intervene DR

And a spell reflect if you combo it

And banner

[strong forum]

Pally doesn't bring a group stun/cc

And his external is a 4min CD or smth

[vapid sage]

ahh gotcha, thats great to hear! Havent really played warrior since like Legion and it was a blast to play then

[blazing condor]

warrior isn't as straight forward to play compared to other tanks so it might feel stiff in the beginning

but once you get it down its pretty great

[vapid sage]

How does SL Warrior compare to Legion Warrior?

Like, feel-wise. Obviously numbers and relative strength change. but is the flow similar

[blazing condor]

now with tier set and stuff it's very high CPM playstyle

which i like

you always have something to press or something you can do

feels fast and fluent

i didnt play legion so idk how it was back then

[strong forum]

its pretty similar except that you dont have battlecry but avatar instead as your offensive CD

and youre supposed to charge weave every now and again to get value out of your legendary and keep up your banner buff through spending rage

and 90% of your rage comes from pressing abilities now instead of being hit and get large sums of rage that way

[sick sentinel]

its not a big deal but i see marc using these

was suggested different for that conduit

[dawn canyon]

thats an arms conduit

why is he running an arms conduit

[sick sentinel]

prot? top left of my image it says 9.2 prot guid

[dawn canyon]

its this

like ????

[sick sentinel]

that's execute im positive yeah?

[dawn canyon]

no?

this is exe

[sick sentinel]

i mean, he does have prot stuff on his bars, he might be an arms main, im sure thats supposed to be accident

[dawn canyon]

prolly just an accident

[sick sentinel]

yeah, like an accident i made this morning, i won't go into details at all, but i fucked up lol

i can solve it whenever 9 am rolls around, well, start to get it resolved lol, probably take me 3 days

[lime urchin]

To be honest, There is quite a learning curve to get to that high cpm. I struggle to get passed 45-50, whereas our lord and saviour Sense gets up to 70-90 I think.

[strong forum]

its a mistake, i told him asap

he hoped nobody would notice

[lime urchin]

A happy little mistake

https://tenor.com/view/safemoon-safemoon-bob-safemoon-bob-ross-safemoon-crazy-sfm-gif-22844693

[sick sentinel]

no my mistake was not indeed a happy little mistake

expensive mistake, but, easily corectible

left was one that was linked to me and thats what i got

right is the one from video

[strong forum]

https://i.imgur.com/d9TkJrg.png

do this

bottom right finesse either the rally for raid
or safeguard for m+

[sick sentinel]

mostly m+ still bad at that

[strong forum]

then just do the path on the left

[lyric geode]

How to calculate cpm?

[strong forum]

check under casts on wcl

[lyric geode]

Wcl?

[strong forum]

warcraftlogs

[lyric geode]

Ah, I can't see on details...

[blazing condor]

start the timer on your minimap

count every cast

divide by the time the dungeon took

[chrome falcon]

trying to analyse your play via details is a waste of time

wcl or don't bother

[lethal hatch]

What does cpm mean

[sick sentinel]

Casts / per minute

like m/ph on car

exact same idea,

how many miles (casts) you can do in given time

[lethal hatch]

Oh cool thanks

[tepid bobcat]

Any tips on how to gain agro of all the adds on echelon?

[blazing condor]

everybody in the group stacks in the middle once they spawn so they run in

[lofty widget]

everyone should stack on the boss, then just revenge them all

[blazing condor]

then you just kinda ravager/revenge/tc

[lofty widget]

and shockwave>SR to kill them faster

[tepid bobcat]

Ah okay, that makes sense, they were pretty spread out

[strong forum]

wait with attacking

if nobody attacks them they run pretty far into the middle before they start casting

[light halo]

So as a noobie tank how is reprisal as a legendary?

[dawn canyon]

its very simple

press intervene when you can and charge into pulls

[light halo]

Does that give you a free cast of revenge or does revenge give u 20 rage?

[blazing condor]

i dont remember is phial better than sack in m+

[strong forum]

yes

[blazing condor]

thank

[strong forum]

free cast of revenge and 20 rage and shield block

[light halo]

How is it compared to the wall?

[strong forum]

about 17x better

maybe more

[light halo]

Just asking cause sometimes I just get lost in my casts when things get hectic

[strong forum]

that just means youve not practiced enough

[light halo]

lol I played my rogue for years and years and I do the same

I’m just an average player :p

I’ll make reprisal and see if I’m a decent enough player to do it

Isn’t there a conduit for intervene?

[dawn canyon]

yup

safeguard

[light halo]

Do you use it with reprisal?

Cause I think it’s a reduced cd?

[strong forum]

safeguard turns intervene into an external for others

[light halo]

Ah

Going to try it and hopefully I’ll get the hang of it

Thanks For the advice

[obtuse monolith]

I’m guilty of the same but put this way, the 5 extra rage per SS on Wall takes 8 SS to add up to 40 rage. Where one intervene is 20 rage plus 20 rage savings from the free revenge.

Even if you don’t Intervene exactly on CD, it still manages to roughly match Wall in Rage gen even before you add in Charge opportunities. And we have so much rage this tier the SW CDR from AM already takes it as low as we need it

[strong forum]

mediocre reprisal usage is about 40% more RAW rage than the wall

not counting the extra casts and free SB

[obtuse monolith]

^^

[light halo]

Cool

Glad I came on to ask

Is the 4 piece tier worth getting?

[lofty widget]

definitely

[dawn canyon]

yes

[light halo]

Cool was just curious cause the pin only mentioned 2 piece

[dawn canyon]

all specs want 4p

[strong forum]

this just implies that with 2p priorities already change

4pc just further manifests that change

[light halo]

Cool i appreciate all get advice. Well I’m off. Y’all have a good day

[obtuse monolith]

You too

[sick sentinel]

i should check out the new torghast thingy

[blazing condor]

man im not doing any damage anymore

[sick sentinel]

HR rep was fun

[blazing condor]

not as fun as getting a bunch of avatars

[sick sentinel]

if i could choose HR + AM rep i would every timee

[lyric geode]

Fuck

The power supply cut off while I was in key.

Ffs

20 HoA

Had to wait for like 10 min to get my internet working.

People left without me giving an explanation.

People would assume I am a troll.

[opaque vine]

is ther a certain target threshhold where outburst TC is better than SS? For pure damage

[blazing condor]

Nope

cus the rage gain from SS gives more damage in forms of revenge

[strong forum]

there is no defensive or offensive play for pwar

you either play optimal or you dont

using outburst on TC isnt optimal

[lyric geode]

TC to hold aggro from fury burst?

[sturdy sable]

Lol no

You should literally never spend outbursts on TC and should feel bad if you do

[lyric geode]

If you play venthyr prot warrior?

[vernal vale]

You shouldn't be playing venthyr because condem is bad but if you do still never spend outburst on thunderclap.

[strong forum]

even if youre venthyr, youre not gonna be using condemn in aoe over revenge unless its 3 targets

soooo

[timber slate]

Sometimes i hit TC because i dont pay attention to my weak aura

[strong forum]

which is why venthyr is pretty fucking terrible in m+

[timber slate]

Venthyr is only « good » for fury
Because they can cleave with condemn (i think)

[strong forum]

they can, and thats why the conduit of condemn was nerfed in beta

[whole sphinx]

Yes. But as we get further and more geared the execute windows diminish and condemn dps just goes down

[strong forum]

condemn is trash

period

[timber slate]

It was only OP in 9.0

[strong forum]

wasnt op even then

[whole sphinx]

it was great in 9.0

[timber slate]

Well it was « meta »

[strong forum]

only for dps war

[opaque vine]

some pretty bad takes

[strong forum]

cuz soulbinds sucked dick

[whole sphinx]

But still the same, as ppl geared it went downhill

Progging new bosses. It was awesome.

Soulbinds werent great, agreed

[timber slate]

I want to offspec dps warrior but don’t wanna wait 3 hours in a queue

[strange lintel]

Went prot xu I was tired of dps quene spamming mythic plus and getting declined

Jokes on me

[primal cape]

hows Soleahs trinket for us ?

[strong forum]

one of the better trinkets from m+

[vernal vale]

It could be better but its definitely solid. Can net yourself more haste.

[primal cape]

idk AFE 275 vs Soleah 272 ?

when i charged in and field is behind me

[vernal vale]

AFE requires you to stand in a specific spot which is something prot is good at but anytime you have to move it loses value.

Soleah is a constant boost to stat so that there is nice.

All in all over the course of a boss fight or dungeon i believe soleah barely pulls ahead just because you don't have to stay in a specific spot.

Someone did some math on it at one point.

[pulsar basalt]

Hey guys.
I consider switching to warrior from the dk. How bad is pugging for keys 20+ do you get declined often?

[vernal vale]

Get declined a lot because people assume warrior is bad. In reality warrior is slept on.

[pulsar basalt]

That's what I hope. My healer is really sceptical but I can't wait to play it more (:

[vernal vale]

You're still a tank though so a good io will get you in more than if you went dps.

Warrior is really good in reality right now.

[pulsar basalt]

Okay. Perfect.
I'll probably come with tons of questions over the next week! ☺️

[vernal vale]

With good play you can keep banner up for 70%+ of a dungeon. With some of the better warriors keeping it up closer to 90%

Thats 400 mastery and 22% strength bonus during that time frame which is huge.

Thats of course with 2L4P

[pulsar basalt]

Yeah. 4p is not a problem anymoren

*anymore

[vernal vale]

Just with 2L i was getting about 40% on banner in dungeons.

[pulsar basalt]

I'm really excited ☺️

[vernal vale]

People here will be happy to help. Remember to log your dungeon runs and we can give better feedback to help you improve.

[median tulip]

You can do 100% uptime with only 2pc, but it's a lot harder in a real fight

[vernal vale]

I'm still personally working on slapping down mistakes.

[timber slate]

you can easily have 100% uptime on boss fight in m+

[vernal vale]

Bosses absolutely the entire dungeon its hard because of forced downtime so many of them have.

[timber slate]

indeed

[pulsar basalt]

I'm always logging my runs!

[vernal vale]

A lot of people don't. I only just started recently as I've been working on improving.

[pulsar basalt]

Im a Bit worried about grouping up different groups. Gonna Miss that grip

[vernal vale]

Interupts are your friend and markers help keep the dps from punching that guy thats still running to you.

There are only a couple pulls where I ever feel like i'm struggling to group up packs.

[pulsar basalt]

Okay. Let’s get to 60 first :p

[sick sentinel]

2 click world marker addons helps alot

green down triangle for move here other ones for other stuff

[strong forum]

according to this im a vdh

[dawn canyon]

the pwar feels off

[lyric geode]

KSH is SO CLOSE

[dawn canyon]

next key !!

[lyric geode]

Finished HoA 20 in time while blizzard decided that I need some lag

Some extra challenge**

[urban portal]

Don't get me started on Joe Biden

[lyric geode]

?

[urban portal]

.

I'm quoting this

[lyric geode]

I mean, he isnt wrong, but I believe joe biden is a great strong woman

!

I am not even from USA.

I dont care about american politics

[lime urchin]

Please keep it to thunderclappin talks here

[timber slate]

full set on brew
big dam incoming

[strong forum]

you mean big sleep

[timber slate]

😦

[orchid garden]

What’s the set bonus? Extra roll and longer rolling distance?

[timber slate]

xD

[strong forum]

its the "you will be immortal by pressing random buttons and kegsmash on cd" bonus

literal faceroll spec

[timber slate]

exactly

[orchid garden]

That 4set bonus looks actually pretty insane.

Imagine this 4set on Shieldslam/tclap

[strong forum]

nah it would need to be like

"heal for the dmg you block with shieldblock"

[sick sentinel]

the yogi

[strong forum]

or idk, this set bonus is dumb af

[jagged pier]

if that was on SS or TC it would be nerfed

tbh it should be nerfed for monk

u cant die

[strong forum]

it would legit need to be SS dmg and TC dmg is increased by 200%

and then the heal + health increase

[jagged pier]

and the more u pull with monk the less healing u need

cause the more kegsmash does

👍

[strong forum]

issue is the seconds between smashes

[urban portal]

yogi not a fan of joe biden confirmed

[jagged pier]

true but stagger/ CB covers most of that

oh and aegis

[blazing condor]

tc doing 200% more damage and healing for X% of it

[urban portal]

as long as you dont drop your stacks on 4 set its fine

[blazing condor]

would be dope

[tender imp]

siege of org set was like that

heal a part of the blocks/absorbs

that was lit

and the monk set scales with aoe or dmg increases too so its even more dumb

[strong forum]

your name sounds familiar

[tender imp]

on arthas u have 500k hp

and just ignore the reapers

[timber slate]

Pugs killing Wo and Vy by mistake

[blazing condor]

its just aoe spamming

[scenic mural]

Yeah i touch of deathe menagerie boss for 200k bc of buffed keg smash damage lik

[blazing condor]

and then whatever sticks sticks

[sick sentinel]

dk

[dawn canyon]

L

[chilly brook]

He’d have to spend more than 15 minutes a day awake to earn fans

[austere latch]

hey all. tried out prot today and jumped in to a couple keys. anyone able to take a look at my logs for opportunities?

[blazing condor]

Cringe politics

Just focus on zugzug

[blazing condor]

Link link

[austere latch]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWChK6pqZPJQTDBb#fight=5

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWChK6pqZPJQTDBb#fight=last

[jagged pier]

wtf is that wasted rage?

[strong forum]

thats some low ass cpm

surprised you managed to get 11k dps with that in mists

[blazing condor]

Can only see first log but you got common problems:

• A lot of wasted rage like way much. Keep track of your ragebar
• Low % blocked hits. You should have 80%+ with reprisal and your talents
• Low casts - you should have 60+ CPM at least (also press intervene and execute more)

[strong forum]

yeah 59% blocked hits is literally not even using SB on CD

[chilly brook]

Here I am feeling like a bad player when I only have like 82% blocked hits

[strong forum]

with reprisal it should be 80%+

cpm of SS should be north of 11cpm, youre at 9cpm, so youre missing alot of rage gain there

and yeah youre wasting literally 20% of all your rage, making you deal less dmg and be squishier and miss alot of avatar uptime aswell as outburst procs

for example

i generated literally TWICE as much rage as you did in a mists 15 which lasted exactly the same amount of time

and only did 1k less dps whilst being 20ilvl behind and only had 2pc

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/372A6gYvB4zCJGVm#fight=1&type=casts&source=2

this is roughly how your casts breakdown should look like

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YWChK6pqZPJQTDBb#fight=5&type=casts&source=208

and this is what yours looks like

[blazing condor]

i went back to BSC and im still doing dogshit damage

[chrome falcon]

homie pressed ignore pain NINE times

in the whole key

[blazing condor]

not necro

[chrome falcon]

honestly i respect that

but also that's very bad

[strong forum]

and also only 22 avatars

when i used 37 in the same amount of time

literally every button but revenge is underused

@austere latch

[blazing condor]

true warrior

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[chrome falcon]

nah basically all the problems in that log come from just never pressing ignore pain

and tbf if i was new to this class

i wouldn't press that shit either

[strong forum]

nah

he only had 2cpm on SB

when it should be 5+

SS casts also 2++ cpm too low

ravager casts too low

spear casts too low

none of those have to do with rage management

also practically 0 executes

[orchid garden]

The weakaura with IP % should be in the standard UI. It’s so mandatory.

[chrome falcon]

is it

i don't think i've had an IP weak aura since IP was good 5 years ago

[strong forum]

i dont really pay attention to it

i have a number based IP WA

[orchid garden]

I never play without looking at it.

[blazing condor]

i have a WA that shows the absorb amount left but i mean i never look at it

[chrome falcon]

what info are you getting by looking at it

how does it ever change your decision making

[strong forum]

looks pretty

but ye doesnt really show any relevant info

unless you wanna judge if you have to recast IP before a mechanic or not

[blazing condor]

correction i have a WA thats part of a bigger pack with WAs

where IP is included

[chilly brook]

IP is basically not even worth looking at

[blazing condor]

ignore it

[chilly brook]

It hasn’t been worth looking at/tracking since the rework in BFA prepatch

Just press button and don’t cap rage

[orchid garden]

My WA shows how much I would overcap if I use IP right now.
I can see if the remaining shield is high enough, that I don’t need to press it or if I should use it.

[chrome falcon]

But you're gonna overcap regardless

You have to overcap to play correct

I IP 7 or 8 times in the first 15 seconds of a pull with full CDs

[orchid garden]

So you either not have a high shield up or waste rage?!

[chrome falcon]

even if i'm taking 0 damage and don't even have threat

[strong forum]

no

[chilly brook]

It’s not wasted

[chrome falcon]

?

rage gives you outburst and AM

[chilly brook]

Wasting rage is capping

[chrome falcon]

that's not wasting it

[strong forum]

rage used on IP is not wasted

[blazing condor]

rage NOT used on IP is wasted

[strong forum]

rage overcapped* instead of overcapping IP

[chrome falcon]

the only things you can spend rage on that aren't IP are revenge and shield block

[chilly brook]

Spending rage even if it’s on a full IP and not giving you anymore absorb it’s still reducing your CDs

[blazing condor]

not dumping on IP leads to overcapping

[orchid garden]

Do you dump all your rage into IP and have zero left for revenge?

[chilly brook]

No

[strong forum]

m8

[chrome falcon]

no obviously

[blazing condor]

i dont even have revenge bound

jk

ofc i dont mindlessly spam it

[chilly brook]

You spend rage on revenge

[blazing condor]

but you often generate more rage than you can use in one GCD

[chilly brook]

And you IP when you would potentially overcap rage

[chrome falcon]

don't even think of IP as mitigation

you just press it when you bar gets too high

[blazing condor]

meaning you revenge + IP a lot

[median tulip]

I have a weakaura makes a noise if I go above 75 Rage; that's when I dump to IP

[chrome falcon]

that's all it does

[orchid garden]

Sure, but that’s only the case during LS, with tierset proc or ravager. Or if you receive zero damage.

[chilly brook]

Wut

[chrome falcon]

Absolutely not the case

[chilly brook]

No

[chrome falcon]

At all

[strong forum]

no

[chilly brook]

That’s the case in like all scenarios

[orchid garden]

Sounds very bad optimised if you don’t look at the IP absorb

[chilly brook]

It’s not

I assure you