protection

[crude notch]

If you don't think UI can help with your gameplay you're meme'ing

[crimson furnace]

ofc, its a major factor

was saying that looking at his

he still manages :))

..and when he intervenes a party memeber, he clicks on the top left corner party frame

it gets me every time

[crude notch]

Thanks for proving my point lol

[crimson furnace]

but I enjoy the keys he is doing

[crude notch]

"I only have one AoE spell" 🤔

[crimson furnace]

guessing he was being sarcastic

😄

im just stunned about the numbers he is pumping

and the overall's he had were around 14K

[median tulip]

The timing on his counter charges were properly on point

[cerulean wyvern]

Is the nerf to blood noticeable at all?

[rancid sedge]

30% uptime

a big nerf

2pc become trash, 4pc become the same 2pc was before

[crimson furnace]

i heard that people are moving to monk and vdh

bye bye bdk 😦

[rancid sedge]

it will lose the fun, so much work to get a few seconds of uptime

[lyric geode]

I think we might see a few bdks switch to protection warrior, as it is quite good comparatively with other tank specs

[ruby locust]

it hurts my soul

[mighty egret]

after brm you mean

[lyric geode]

?

Will they switch to brm?

[tender imp]

brm is far better both raid and m+

noone rolls into warrior lol

[urban portal]

jailer is currently doing an illegal amount of auto damage

the fact that you have to stack mastery prepull on brm to live hits is kinda fucked up

you have to do a lot of things to just survive as any other tank

but prot warrior eats melees for breakfast

[tender imp]

and yet not a single mythic jailer kills with a prot war

so [x] for doubt

[urban portal]

ofc

because they need a brm

no guild wants a windwalker

saying brm is good vs jailer is like saying prot warrior was good in 9.0

[tender imp]

but they are good?

[urban portal]

ww?

[tender imp]

stagger makes auto attacks a non issue

[urban portal]

right

when you need to dampen harm prepull

auto attacks are a non issue

right

https://youtu.be/It4rEJREyxQ?t=25

[tender imp]

u dampen pre pull because u have no stagger

he literally says why he dampens

[urban portal]

many top 50 guilds are strugging with melee damage

and no one wants to play ww

and mistweaver is sketch

[tender imp]

okay but it seems u dont understand how brm works

[urban portal]

i do

and if your 4 set drops

you take a big swing

bye bye

i got a bud who heals for midwinter

elles old guild before bdgg

and their tanks just die to melees if its not a blood dk

[junior spade]

Is using signet for tanking viable?

[urban portal]

no

rather buy a 190 leggo

[junior spade]

Oh ok. Is it worth learning to play with reprisal or craft the wall for now?

[urban portal]

reprisal

[junior spade]

Alright. Ill keep playing with it

Prot warrior is more fun to me than the others

[patent osprey]

Kyrasis says the nerfs are about 25 to 30% in damage and goes from 92% DRW uptime to around 52%

DK down bad :)

[vernal vale]

This is when you learn who the real blood dks are.

The ones who stick with it after a nerf and still play well.

[next plaza]

So is seismic viable in keys with 4pc

[oblique garnet]

📈

[strong forum]

For meme keys yes

For actual keys no

[shell shale]

What's the highest single target tank after bdk nerfs?

[urban portal]

On sims I think it’s actually prot

Or pally?

Don’t remember

[jagged pier]

Judging by warcraft logs, warrior

If played correctly

[shell shale]

K thanks !

[blazing condor]

Pog

Cant wait to still be considered f tier

[strong forum]

:)

So much spell dmg

Except there isn't

Lol

The only bosses who do any tank dmg are rygelon and jailer

And jailers melee attacks are literal nukes, so pwar stonks will rise

[wraith hemlock]

The rise of prot war

I find it funny that I decide to lvl up my dk to tank keys and it gets nerfed :v

It's my second favorite tank after warrior so Idc bout the nerf thou

[acoustic fjord]

Hi. How's prot right now with 4pc?

[strong forum]

pretty slept on

[acoustic fjord]

Just started gearing mine. So I guess wakey wakey.

[acoustic fjord]

Tbh that class discord is the only one I know that wishes for nerfs on their own class. I main blood but I find the nerf funny.

Gearing prot now. Forgot how fun it is.

[mighty valley]

Prot's wild right now, v fast paced

[acoustic fjord]

Always a button to press

[jagged pier]

i swear hharm used to be in here

[strong forum]

ye he does/did

[jagged pier]

then why the hate

but this is sad prot warrior slowly rising to the top now 😦

[strong forum]

according to twitch chat its still the 2nd/worst

so it must be true

[mighty valley]

ah no... twitch chat has spoken

[jagged pier]

thank god no fotm rerollers yet then

[strong forum]

nobody is gonna fotm roll pwar

monk still exists

pally still exists

and theres alot of pepegas out there thinking that VDH is best

for m+*

for raid pwar is DEFO top3 now

[mighty valley]

maybe it's ok that there's a big diff between good at m+ and best for raid

[strong forum]

for jailer pwar is legit #2 now i think

[mighty valley]

anywat meta brains will take forever to catch up

[strong forum]

cuz its the only tank besides monk that doesnt get RNG 1shot

[onyx vessel]

Top 3 when theres 6 choices

[strong forum]

and uber execute dam ofc

[onyx vessel]

[strong forum]

well yeah thats how it works lol

[onyx vessel]

If we #1 we get nerfed into 7th place

Next xpac

[strong forum]

we are looking to be top tank dmg now

sooo

yeah

[onyx vessel]

Dmg all that matters

White name

[crystal dirge]

How do you feel it is for m+ tho? Cutting edge key levels

[jagged pier]

well as warriors are doing the same level of keys as the other tanks fine

[strong forum]

for cutting edge keys pally and brew are still simply stronger

i dont understand how rare is so high up there, guess the keys arent high enough yet for tank choice to truly matter

[onyx vessel]

Do they really matter that much player skill is more important then tank choice

[crystal dirge]

I cant make my pala work really. I played all tank classes at one point or another, but I just cant live on pala on anything above 23

It's a me issue for sure but I just cant get used to the class 😂

[jagged pier]

to the extent of 99.9% of the content yes

[craggy pilot]

with necro, do we go BV?

[lime urchin]

I suppose group composition / typical utility at that level matters more than on regular keys too.

[lime urchin]

With the tierpieces, yes, for the rage!

[craggy pilot]

ok thx 🙂

[lyric geode]

Well to be honest we are in good spot.

We probably won't get any buffs.

[median tulip]

In keys BSC is the better play for damage output. In raids BV for the Rage for sure

[craggy pilot]

ah ye ok, i forgot to mention M+ 🤣

[lime urchin]

Also in m+ BV is good with NL + tierpieces for the rage!

[craggy pilot]

ye but shouldnt i alrdy have enough rage with Ravager? 🤔

[lime urchin]

But I don’t know how it competes with BSC to be honest

[dawn canyon]

Im seeing naowh doom about BDK nerf is this dooming or warranted

[dusky sentinel]

Someone tested it and came to the conclusion that it was nearlly the same (last I saw).

[uncut notch]

You'd be surprised, levelled a hpal exclusively through dungies the other day and all i saw was BDK and prot warrior

Not sure how much of that was arena junkies looking for the oneshot build tho

[median tulip]

They'll no longer be completely oppressive.

[dawn canyon]

mhm naowh was whining about drw wep uptime being to low to live shit

and i wasnt sure if thats an unbiased oppinion

[dark plover]

What u doing in here Phil

[lyric geode]

Still, Bdk was fine. Slightly more damage and sustain than us.

[wraith hemlock]

there is no such thing as "enough" rage

[craggy pilot]

enough rage i mean for permanent Banner

[dawn canyon]

i talked here aswell cuz prot yellows own

[dark plover]

[wraith hemlock]

ah... Still never enough rage owo

must... rage... on...

I actually like the idea of permanent banner, first time one of my guildies saw that he said "i think ur cov ability is bugged, it has not faded"

[craggy pilot]

🤣

[onyx vessel]

[craggy pilot]

would be kinda nice if we kept radiating friendly banners as well 😄

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

[dawn canyon]

The w in warrior stands for winning

[ruby berry]

There's a sticky in the bdk discord of them losing approximately 3k dps from the nerf, nevermind the survivability decrease. 14.x k to 11.x k dps. They were a bit over the top.

[lyric geode]

They were not that OP.

And the nerfs are a bit over the top. It will hurt them so much now

[dawn canyon]

I mean why not reduce stack amount

Rather than their defensives not being up enough

[lyric geode]

Still it would be a substuntial nerf. I think Bdk as it is now before tuning is perfectly fine

[dawn canyon]

It'd be a nerf to damage and that's the issue

Not their survivability

Making tanks less tanky generally is bad

Unless there's an omega difference between the rest

[lyric geode]

it will hurt them on survivibility too

[dawn canyon]

How would reducing the amount of str stacks impact that

[twin yarrow]

boneshield gives armor based on strength

[dawn canyon]

Ok fair

But that's more marginal than reducing drw uptime

[ruby berry]

They were op enough that every single pusher was rerolling. RIO would have been fully red in two weeks if not sooner. Doesn't matter to me, but seems to matter to blizzard. @lyric geode

[lyric geode]

Nah, people just overreacting to be honest.

[twin yarrow]

blizz didnt care in S1 where for months VDH was on top, and atm if u dont go to 28 and above, bdk isnt even the top tank

[lyric geode]

We are on par on ST damage with bdks

[ruby berry]

I have no dog in this fight.

Blizzard nerfed them.

[twin yarrow]

not yet

[ruby berry]

And I can see why.

[twin yarrow]

ah nvm

[lyric geode]

and we are on slightly less on MT with them

[sick sentinel]

I've been ing noticing g something playing all of bfa and now shadowlands is it seems like blizzard tries to give each class and spec its time in sun

[lyric geode]

Beware ikarus

[sick sentinel]

I dunno if we ever got one in sl but lots of good tanks and dps specs become bad, mm hunter and monk tank

[plush tendon]

Nerfs bad, only buffs

Buff everyone

[dawn canyon]

Good BDK = owns
Bad BDK = dead

It's sad for the lepans who never play anything else

[ruby berry]

I thought they would wait at least until group c finished mdi. Now that entire group is going to have to redo all their practice before next Friday.

[dawn canyon]

Damn shit ur right

[plush tendon]

[dawn canyon]

Everyone gotta to VDH now

[plush tendon]

They’ll be fine

[ruby berry]

Yep it'll be straight vdh likely.

[lyric geode]

My question is WHY IN THE MIDDLE OF MDI?

[dawn canyon]

Because fuck em

[plush tendon]

^

[lyric geode]

Blizzard nerfing bdks is the saddest thing ever.

[dawn canyon]

Nerf gavel buff warriors

[sick sentinel]

It seems like blizzard over entirety of and expansion let one sp3c completely out to rot

Like they don't let that happen

[lyric geode]

for what you mena?

for what spec you mean?

[sick sentinel]

Where it's like 4 expansions and then feral druid druid never gets buffed... oh wait...

I'm not a druid never have been, been playing since wc2 minimum, wc1 once or twice when I was way wee

I rag on feral druid because in tbc one of them rolled on my rogue chest piece with a set bonus specific to rogue, did something when I used kidney shot or something.

I will never forgive that person

[sick sentinel]

Not really

[jagged pier]

yes we r

if anything we are top now

[lime urchin]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[quaint glade]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/7xpjmgYhkZFXaABM/#fight=last&type=deaths

I wonder how can you die 6 times as necro monk?

[vocal geode]

he stood in shit

[lime urchin]

And monks don’t have strong defensives, or do they?

[vocal geode]

karma, diffuse magic, fleshcraft, fortifying brew

[lofty widget]

well tbf when you die from one shots it's kinda hard to use any defensives

[jagged pier]

brew doesnt have diffuse

[vocal geode]

was a ww in that log

this was probably healer issue though xd

and you didnt get aggro of adds

since he got double meleed

[hearty terrace]

Hey why is Necro good in keys ? And why play that over somthing elce

[craggy pilot]

defensive and offensive power

[dawn canyon]

perma banner means a shit ton of extra rage

[craggy pilot]

perma uptime of Banner if you chain pull well

[dawn canyon]

means more avatar with AM

means more outburst

means more rage

and then it loops

[hearty terrace]

Got ya! Thanks

[lime urchin]

I ment a WW

[quaint glade]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=188269/pocket-protoforge is this good trinket?

[jagged pier]

No

[quaint glade]

i wear aegis and https://www.wowhead.com/item=185836/codex-of-the-first-technique

so idk which one to wear now

[lofty widget]

replace codex with phial/sack/afe/soleahs

[jagged pier]

U dont need defensive trinkets at all

I was doing 20s and 21s yestersay with phial and sack

Like tier set and necro gives insane suvivability

[quaint glade]

what is sack?

[lyric geode]

I know, critisize me all you want

[quaint glade]

also i play kyrian, cant play as necro

[lyric geode]

my banner uptime is not good

[jagged pier]

That SB uptime is scarying me

[lyric geode]

Yy

[jagged pier]

I dont what to know what the effecitve block hits ate

[lyric geode]

well, i survived a 20s key mist with 50% uptime in shield block

honestly i let my shield block expire just to do some revenge dmg

because it is only 20s so meh

[quaint glade]

what is sack tho xd

[lyric geode]

Also for such low SB uptime it isnt that bad.

[lofty widget]

from streets

[vocal bison]

Sac to specifically supplement single target or just because that's the other best dps trinket you got right now?

[silk edge]

i think its because these are the two best dps trinkets for prot

[strong forum]

its the best dps trinkets

so no need to run anything else lol

altho i personally would probably run AFE instead of Sack nowadays cuz of necro synergy

[primal cape]

i feel my dps going down with necro

[strong forum]

then youre not pressing enough buttons

with playing necro the skill ceiling rises quite a bit

and skill floor aswell

[primal cape]

was playing with low crit on kyrian

[lyric geode]

I saw Plka with into the fray

in m+

is it better than ravager?

[strong forum]

no its not

he was probably just testing how it feels

[primal cape]

was a 15 sd to test, is that too low ?

[strong forum]

thunderclap is way too high on the dmg meter

[lofty widget]

need a lot more SS

[strong forum]

waaaaay too high

[lofty widget]

probably using outburst on TC

[strong forum]

SS should be just barely behind revenge in dmg

youre 100% not using outbursts on SS

and youre not executing enough

this is how your dmg breakdown should look like

[primal cape]

is prio SS > revenge or < ?

[strong forum]

yes

[lofty widget]

SS>anything

[primal cape]

i usually revenge when 2 targets

[strong forum]

goal to generate as much rage as possible

[lyric geode]

Revenge is over 3 targets

[lofty widget]

if SS is available you should look to press it asap

[strong forum]

SS legit your highest prio button in every situation

except maybe during LS+ravager windows in huge mob pulls

[lofty widget]

in those windows there's only 1 rule: dont overcap

[lyric geode]

Can i see rage overcap ?

[lofty widget]

in logs yes, details no

[primal cape]

lets take the 1st pull on sd, i usually spam revenge a lot more than SS because of lots adds, i will usually spam revenge til 30 rage remaining to go back to SS

should i SS when its up then ?

[lofty widget]

yes

revenge doesnt have a CD so as long as youre not overcapping rage youre not losing dmg

but if youre not hitting SS on CD your losing out on procs, and that affects your dmg and rage gain

[strong forum]

you gotta feed the rage machine

its you main goal

generate rage, to spend rage, to get more CDs, more outburst procs, thus more damage and more survivability

[primal cape]

i feel overcapping a lot of rage with necro and pressing revenge to decrease rage fastest possible

[strong forum]

press IP then

[lofty widget]

IP to prevent overcap

[primal cape]

ok ill do this

[strong forum]

use IP primarily to prevent overcapping and youll see an increase in DPS and survivability

and generate as much rage as possible, dont use outbursts on TC

[primal cape]

this key was a try with thunder clap conduit + outburst

but i guess SS is better now

[strong forum]

always was

[lyric geode]

From necrolord Emeni, Bonesmith or Plague?

[strong forum]

Marge

[lyric geode]

?

[strong forum]

you have Marge, Homer and Eminem

Marge is the best overall

[lyric geode]

I do too enjoy eminem, its new album is amazing

Homer is too dramatic for me

Iliad is a good story, but Odyssey is just too repetititve

?

[strong forum]

looks good

altho the bottom right Finesse should be safeguard for keys

AJ is also interchangable with SoF for more overall dmg, whereas AJ is better for boss dmg ofc

[grave tendon]

What classes are the meta tanks for mythic + now

[timber slate]

Marge???🤣🤣

Marileth is a dude xD

[chrome falcon]

who cares everything is viable

after the bdk nerf things are very balanced

[lofty widget]

was it actually a meaningful nerf?

[chrome falcon]

it's a big nerf yeah

several thousand dps

[lofty widget]

jesus

[chrome falcon]

we're probably top ST now

for raid

[torpid junco]

I thought Monk was top ST?

[chrome falcon]

what

[torpid junco]

Brewmaster

[lyric geode]

ΗΕΑΔΙΝΓ ΜΥ ΗΕΑΔ ΤΟ΅ΑΡΔΣ ΜΥ ΚΕΥΒΟΑΡΔ

Heading my head towards the keyboard. Great tanking

[torpid junco]

I’ve never heard of prot warrior being in contention for top tank single target dam

[chrome falcon]

then you're not paying attention

[lofty widget]

my 20k execute dps would beg to differ

[chrome falcon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#class=Tanks&boss=2540

you have to scroll through like 5 pages

to find a monk

and it's one guy

pre nerf it's a sea of blood DKs then some paladins and warriors

[torpid junco]

What’s single target boss rotation

[chrome falcon]

wdym

[lofty widget]

pressing your buttons on cooldown

[chrome falcon]

we haven't had a rotation for uhhh

[grave crane]

slam execute and shield slam

[chrome falcon]

13 years

you press shield slam

you press other stuff until shield slam lights up

then press shield slam again

[warped steeple]

9

[timber slate]

Im 238 and my best shield slam is 30k👀
What are you guys top dmg with SS?

[lyric geode]

? What?

[jagged pier]

60k

not on first boss in Mists

[timber slate]

Sorry, englisn isnt my native language lol

[dapper coral]

without any boss mechanics that amp it, like 59k

[lyric geode]

I am wondering how much damage given you are so low ilvl

[dawn canyon]

because crits own

[vernal vale]

Don't apologize you are perfectly understandable.

My highest shield slam ice paid attention to is 55k

Most of the time I don't pay attention to my scrolling battle text.

I just focus on play and look at logs later.

[lyric geode]

Details bugged and it doesnt show me the buff uptime of myself

[timber slate]

I just look at details after every run just to have an idea

[lyric geode]

Is my damage profile good? Or did I spam so many times revenge?

[chrome falcon]

that's way too much revenging

press shield slam

[timber slate]

12k seems good, but shouldnt SS be close to revenge?

[lofty widget]

should upload logs, lot easier to give feedback from that

[lyric geode]

ok

[chrome falcon]

also yeah details is totally worthless for actual analysis

[lyric geode]

gotcha

[undone flame]

@lyric geode is that with seismic and best served cold?

[lyric geode]

Yes

[chrome falcon]

oh 12k is low for seismic thought you were reprisal

[lyric geode]

To be honest, I pressed my head towards revenge

[lyric geode]

Let the people have their moment

[chrome falcon]

you asked 🤷‍♂️

[sick sentinel]

OKAY, so about first time gambit here, i was told go left, um, i know i can get an MDT online for a 15, mines a +9 can i just wing it create my own MDT based on that 15?

[undone flame]

i hate the reprisal playstyle 😦 seismics way more fun

[chrome falcon]

seismic adds 0 gameplay

[sick sentinel]

i don't know crap all about how the 10 mechanic works, but something about one of them is a rogue stealth

[dawn canyon]

repri owns

[undone flame]

exactly, i like the 0 gameplay.

[sick sentinel]

cuz like, i have to account for the no stealth due to 10 mechanic, possibly, i'll watch a video to see the route they take

[chrome falcon]

you don't need a route for 9

[lyric geode]

Is the wall viable for m+ too?

[chrome falcon]

just have 53% trash from murlocs

[sick sentinel]

• i've never run it before, i still have to have an idea where im headed

[lyric geode]

the extra 5 rage is good

[chrome falcon]

no

wall is terrible for keys

[lyric geode]

it does double with t set too

the rage generation

[chrome falcon]

no it doesn't

[undone flame]

@lyric geode what key #? like yeah obviously it is, but its not ideal.

[lyric geode]

20 SD, we +2

[sick sentinel]

hell, if i can i'll push this key to a 15

[lyric geode]

15 is viable for any class/spec/role

even feral

so you can definetely do it

[dawn canyon]

feral haters

smh

[shell shale]

Feral actually not bad in keys atm

Not optimal compared to destro survival but not bad

[lyric geode]

Even Bdk is viable after their attrocious nerf. Honestly, they didnt deserve that a big of nerf.

[sick sentinel]

well, i don't hate ferals, but i have a mild distrust for them

[dawn canyon]

both ferals ive played with were good

[sick sentinel]

and they always seem to be really dumb and not do alot of damage often, but that could be , uh, personal experience how you say

[dapper coral]

yeah smh, they were barely beating WW in most cases. Why nerf an already low DPS /s

[shell shale]

I mean they needed either a dmg nerf or a survival nerf. Both is kinda scuffed

[chrome falcon]

they only really needed a damage nerf

[lyric geode]

Dude, it is a balanced tank spec. People a bdk that has

1)Jailor's mythic weapon

[sick sentinel]

cuz the thing in BFA for keys at least was well a druid can be a boomie for magic dps, but then if they do that they have alot of healer gear and druids one of BIS keys healers so they get healer role again

[shell shale]

Even without jailor wep it was near the top

[lyric geode]

2)Enough skill to do your diffiicult rotation properly

[shell shale]

Heart strike spam ?

[lyric geode]

It is difficult to maintain high DRW

[dapper coral]

I was joking that BDK was a DPS spec lol

Hence the /s

[lyric geode]

1. MOST people DONT have jailor's weapon.

[dapper coral]

And the tier pieces make the spec easier

[lyric geode]

2. it is high risk , high reward tank. So good for them

[shell shale]

It's not high risk with the tier tho?

[sick sentinel]

yeah, the amount of players that have mythic jailer weapon on bdk and play well is a small number

[lyric geode]

Exactly

[sick sentinel]

not saying its hard or easy to BDK

[lyric geode]

Also, jailor's weapon has 4cd min

so, meh

[dawn canyon]

but 1min buff

its huge

[lyric geode]

Imagine that we are on par with Bdk on ST.

[dawn canyon]

per raid logs we are behind a tiny bit

[shell shale]

Are we not ahead after nerfs?

[lyric geode]

Yes, bdk is now dead.

[sick sentinel]

i dont believer

[lyric geode]

@chrome falcon arent I right?

[chrome falcon]

sure man whatever

if i have to talk about bdk anymore i'm going to lose my fucking mind so

[shell shale]

xD

How you liking prot ?

I'm super enjoying it

War

[chrome falcon]

easily the most fun tank atm

and now the best on ST

what's not to like

[sick sentinel]

war never changes

[lyric geode]

I am afraid they will nerf warrior tank. Because of how OP ST dmg is.

😟 😟 😟 😟 😟 😟

[shell shale]

I mean we only have like 20 prot wars playing so I doubt it will happen

[sick sentinel]

they might slight nerf banner uptime

i could see it

[dawn canyon]

no shot

[shell shale]

I get into a +20 key and people are confused when I don't take dmg

They like I tHoUgHt wAr SuCkeD

[sick sentinel]

a good tank if done correctly you won't even notice they are doing their job

[lyric geode]

@shell shale

[dawn canyon]

[shell shale]

Lmao prot war dream

[lyric geode]

Keep dreaming folks

1 day, we will be the new bdk, but we wouldnt wake up from the dream to play that broken spec.

Kewk

[sick sentinel]

shields are overpowered defensively, wow, big surprise

[shell shale]

My buddy coined this double shield tank concept to me for a tank class

I think it'd be badass af

[lyric geode]

I didnt know , you wanted to make a spec which holds 2 door

doors**

[shell shale]

They need some better shield mogs

There's like 4 good shields

[lyric geode]

Since TBC, never changed again

[shell shale]

That shield is 2 of them lmao

Low res high res

[lyric geode]

I know, and 1 in mod

wod

**

How to remove UI so i can take a screenshot?

[shell shale]

Alt z is default I believe

In game

[dawn canyon]

needs a diff weapon

[lyric geode]

?

[dawn canyon]

thats waaaay to little of a weapon

[shell shale]

It's not the size of the wep that matters it's how he uses it

But shields

[lyric geode]

!

[shell shale]

Shields have to be masssive

[dawn canyon]

im one of those people

only until i get my world quest one though

[vestal vault]

Mage tower flail+shield never gone back

[dawn canyon]

wish i had those

[lyric geode]

I am a clown, i thought legion mage tower was for 2 weeks

Was so disappointed that I didnt get the court of stars ring too.

[dawn canyon]

it is permanent now

[lyric geode]

Really?

[dawn canyon]

thats not permanent so unlucky

[timber slate]

The only shield to use🫡

[lyric geode]

Guys, tell me why I dont respect any range spec except Marksmanship

[dawn canyon]

because they are cringe?

[lyric geode]

Why every rdps feels so shit except mm?

My only respect to hunters

👍 👍 👍

[dawn canyon]

warlock does more damage

but you see less good warlocks

[lyric geode]

With Mm hunter you would never be dissatisfied.

[timber slate]

Ranged spec=casting
And casting feels like 😴😴😴😴

[lyric geode]

No, no. Mm is a manly spec.

Like fury warriors

[timber slate]

Everyone plays them though

[lyric geode]

Nah, people jump ship to BM because they are lazy animal lovers.

Real men stick with Mm even if it does lower dmg than bm.

[timber slate]

I leveled a BM just to unlock allied race and it felt disappointing xD

[vestal vault]

Mm does a lot more dmg than BM

[timber slate]

I know

[lyric geode]

I was pointing for a moment in bfa

[timber slate]

Used to play survival in 9.0 but know its a meta spec😑

[lyric geode]

Where bm>>>> mm

[vestal vault]

Wow people play the spec that does more damage

[timber slate]

Topped meters before it was cool

[vestal vault]

Crazy

[lyric geode]

!

Bring back WoD mastery too.

And it would be a perfect spec.

[timber slate]

I only play spec that « nobody » plays
Feels more unique

[vestal vault]

Feels retarded

[timber slate]

🤔

Says the prot warrior

[lyric geode]

We arent discussing if mm or bm or any spec is viable rn. We discuss it they are manly enough.

[dawn canyon]

surv is manlier

than either of those

[lyric geode]

!

[timber slate]

[lyric geode]

But why is it manlier if only of their damage output.

[vestal vault]

It's more manly to be in melee

Than hiding with the skirts

[lyric geode]

Mm hunter is the only rdps that deals physical

So your point is off.

Also, it doesn't use pets.

[vestal vault]

BM deals physical too

So no

[lyric geode]

Pets are for animal lovers.

[vestal vault]

I think you've got some issues

That need resolving

[lyric geode]

No

[timber slate]

« Animal lovers »
You play as a tauren👀😘

[dawn canyon]

bm doesnt use cute pets

so they suck

[lyric geode]

Tauren are manly.

Being bull 👍 👍

its obvious enough

[median tulip]

Shaman: Earthquake goes brrrrrrr

[lyric geode]

Still, it feels like playing mage

[median tulip]

It really doesn't. Mage is fucking terrible.

[sick sentinel]

is gambit only 3 bosses?

[lyric geode]

yes

[median tulip]

Yes

[sick sentinel]

ah, so the idiot test will be the healing murlocs at start then, was warned about it

[timber slate]

Just kill the totem thing

🤪

[sick sentinel]

its only a 9, but it'd bump first reward from 7 to 9 and give me a 2nd 4th option but only a 2 key, so, looking at towards a 15

[odd tree]

Feels that way. Just got my 4p yesterday and felt invincible with drw up constantly, maintaining it with 2p was pretty tough. Any gcd not spent on HS killed my uptime.

[timber slate]

0.33 vs 0.5 sec is really a huge nerf?

[odd tree]

Yup

[timber slate]

Sad

They should also nerf Gavel

[dawn canyon]

Thatd fuck warrior dps

A lot

[odd tree]

With 2p I'd get 30s out of drw, 4p you could keep it up indefinitely with good pulls. Your losing all that dmg from having 2 rune weps, not to mention the parry.

[chilly brook]

Gavel is fine

[dapper coral]

They shoulda buffed the uptime and nerfed the stack cap

Because now it's just super spooky outside of DRW because, well, that's how BDK works

[orchid garden]

Hey. If i play Necro and have Undulating Maneuvers within the Marileth soulbind: If the 5% damage taken is split, is there any total absorbtion or will i receive the damage as a dot regardless of what is happening?

[dapper coral]

the 2nd

it just adds damage smoothing

[orchid garden]

Is this any kind of safety against onehits for example? I dont really see the purpose over having another defensive conduit.

[dapper coral]

You essentially gain a 5% DR stagger like a monk has

[orchid garden]

Do you really feel this difference in fights?

[dapper coral]

moment to moment, probably not. In analysis, probably

[vernal vale]

I've played both choices at that point in the marileth tree. I don't seem to feel the difference. Mathematically it probably does smooth out the damage you do take to allow the healer more ability to stay on top of everything.

[dapper coral]

Ultimately, both are kinda whatever and their condy options are also whatever

[mental scarab]

Tbh playing necro now just feels so good to be super tanky again only miss the snap aggro from spear or AA when my surv hunter frend pops at the start so every pull i intervine him at the start

[dapper coral]

Outburst TClap is pretty gnarly snap even though its wrong

situation usage, yada yada

[mental scarab]

Yea i dont have. 4 set heheh next reset i Do,

Building from 278 gear i get from vault

[dapper coral]

2p gives outburst too, just not on-demand via Avatar

[urban portal]

Has he tried using misdirect

[sacred timber]

@strange lintel @jagged pier @strong forum This is what I was talking about yesterday. This is what 99% of the player base looks like. These players are 250 ilvl with unity and 190 legos, none of them knew a single mechanic to the any fight. If you queue for M0s where people are clearly not alts, you then see the real WoW playerbase.

[shrewd bronze]

I know this isn't the blood DK channel but, do you guys really think this nerf to DKs will make them "unable" to run +28 keys etc?

[lyric geode]

Sir this is #protection channel.

[shrewd bronze]

Well, to an extent the state of other tanks viability for keys kind of affect us

[lofty widget]

except not really

[lyric geode]

We wish these nerfs dont apply.

It is a bit too much

[odd tree]

The bdk discord seems to think this is the case

[lyric geode]

I guess we wont see any bdks after the nerfs past 30 key.

[shrewd bronze]

Maybe people might be more willing to take prot warriors now

I mean past 30 I understand...

That's like

100% meta grounds

[lyric geode]

Still it is not something to be bothered.

[urban portal]

Play the best you can

[timber slate]

They probably gonna reroll to Prot after that run😆

[urban portal]

Don’t worry about other tanks

You don’t ever see another tank in the same key as you anyways

[lyric geode]

We are really sad with the nerfs of bdks @urban portal

[urban portal]

Yeah we both are equally sad

[sick sentinel]

someone was talking about shield transmogs earlier, this is one i got today and using

[lyric geode]

Finally run a 20 DoS in time.

Execute phase from the last boss feels so dopped.

Doing as much dmg as dps.

[timber slate]

Execute goes brrr?

[lyric geode]

Muzhala gad like 18% on DoS

After we opened urns.

Execute is the best ST for protection

[sacred timber]

+20 dos gang

[lyric geode]

I am finally close to 3k rio gang.

Done SD and DoS, Mists today. Feels exhausted

[sick sentinel]

which is the effect i want on my shadowlands unique equiped, take dmg heal for 1367?

[bright dock]

Had my whole group die in a 21 SD yesterday at 2nd boss 2% execute surely went brrr

Timed that bitch too

[lyric geode]

I was lucky to found a skilled group, we timed SD +2 20 key

[bright dock]

Awesome mine was 2 surv hunters and a balance druid zD

[lyric geode]

Mine was a shammy, sub, sv with priest.

I did 12k overall.

[sick sentinel]

BM hunter in 8.3 was insane

[sacred timber]

this is my issue lmao

imagine timing fort keys

[sick sentinel]

first week i got invited to some normal group and i out dps everyone by like double or triple

[sick sentinel]

so, we killed every boss but nzoth

[sacred timber]

again, imagine timing fort keys on explosive

and raging

with no interrupts or people hitting orbs

[lyric geode]

Yeah, I was seriously tilted running these dungeons.

[sacred timber]

🤡 Pugs 🤡

[sick sentinel]

fort raging PWar is LOL at enemy

[lyric geode]

People expect for me to all these shit, stuns interrupts and dmg while dps were back seatted.

[sacred timber]

I was so happy getting hit by wicked bolts for 90k+ cause no one interrupted 🤡

[lyric geode]

Dps LOVE TO BE BACK SEATTED SO MUCH.

[sick sentinel]

doesn't always work, but i can usually solo manage the bolts on 2 headed dragon NW, cuz its set up so ur pummel is first then u SR

[lyric geode]

it really annoyes me.

[sick sentinel]

i need like, 1 fill interupter

but its really smooth

[lyric geode]

Like i said on the previous week, I ALWAYS use my 3 stuns. I expect people to do the same.

[sacred timber]

I just got this from weekly....

:pikaWTF:

[sick sentinel]

i rely more on the cow stomp after a charge or leap

[lyric geode]

Is it useful?

[sick sentinel]

if i have to do a stun

[analog bear]

hard push haste to 40% with 4 set and necro or do i start to go for more crit or something

[lyric geode]

No idea, i am 36% haste.

[lofty widget]

same stat prio as usual, ilvl>>>haste>>vers>=crit>mastery

[lyric geode]

Do people hard push to 40%m

40%?

[sick sentinel]

i bought this one today instead of the h/v but w/e

[analog bear]

probably not. me just throwing out a big number

[lofty widget]

you dont push any stat except strength, and on equal ilvl pieces you go for haste

[lyric geode]

Btw it displays that I only did 2 m+ runs 🤦 🤦 🤦

[sick sentinel]

im at 35.78% haste, before buffing

[jagged pier]

We know all of this, ive literally said 100x in here your in the top 10% if u do a key

[lyric geode]

Being 3k?

[cinder nova]

Wait what? 🤔

[sacred timber]

it didn't sound like that from when I was saying it yesterday. it seemed like most people were disagreeing with me that the game is made for casuals, not harcore players

[cinder nova]

Are you saying that the top ~10% of players are doing literally any M+?

[sacred timber]

yes

less than 1% actually care enough to push Mythic cotent

[sick sentinel]

hes right you know, the Spriest 235 ish llvl i invited to a +2 nw did 2.3k dps

[cinder nova]

Impressive. I was progging on M SKS with an Spriest doing 2.3K DPS

He said the fight was the reason his damage was bad.

[sacred timber]

which we were talking about the other day when people were saying that there is a treadmill to get content. that is why. Cause 99% of the people that buy all the store mounts dont wanna be ganked over and over by people with 278 gear day one.

[cinder nova]

I don't get it. Just turn off WM

[sacred timber]

This is from a mythic 0, all players were 240+ with at least 1 lego

[cinder nova]

You too?

[sick sentinel]

towards end of BFA i had war mode on everywhere...... shadowlands maw came out, try to leave the starting zone to do dailies get ganked by invisible wall of 500 fucking alliance playters

[lyric geode]

Too low dmg you did

[sick sentinel]

instantnly deathgrip moment ur character loads in

[cinder nova]

☝️

[sacred timber]

I was afk half the time lmao

[sick sentinel]

turned off wm forever now

because of that

[lyric geode]

[cinder nova]

Just kill them before they kill you 4head.

[lyric geode]

I wonder if I can solo a m+ key.

[sick sentinel]

yeah yeah kill 400 dudes lol

[cinder nova]

Yes.

You can. Tanks have solo'd keys before in S1.

They can absolutely solo keys in S3.

You probably wont time anything, though.

[sacred timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kNzjB5LIpY

[sick sentinel]

yeah well, 38 hour key though

i mean, is this really what u want to be known for famous

[strong forum]

Bdks have always been able to do those kinds of things

Legion, bfa, and SL

[sacred timber]

was only 6.5 hrs ;-;

[strong forum]

Vdh aswell

[lyric geode]

I remember a time when I was wondering why people dont continue a depleted key past 15s.

Still, I would be the last person to leave.

[sick sentinel]

6.5 hours of hell, the only way it would be worse is if like, it was doom eternal style where if you die, you lose your crap

start over, like they did for classic

[sacred timber]

dark souls?

Also 272 socket world breaker or 272 Cabochan?

[chrome falcon]

cabo

oh wait socket

uh probably iris but i dunno sim it

[sick sentinel]

i couldn't tell u about gear, im that 250 shitter doesn't know mechanics

[lyric geode]

But, think of this way, if you already knew, what is the point of trying knowing.

[sacred timber]

I could socket 2 items but idk if I wanna waste them on 272s...

[sick sentinel]

doom eternal on the hardest difficulty, if you die, you are dead and your save file is deleted, if you hack or cheat or edit the file, you die instantly

1 life

[sacred timber]

minecraft hardcore mode?

[lyric geode]

If you cheat and you copy your save somewhere else, like a back up

[sick sentinel]

well the last WR i saw for eternal was like 2-3 hours

thats best players in world

[lyric geode]

[dawn canyon]

Nah u out of the loop

Any% is sub 12

But normal idk

[sacred timber]

those runs are insane lmao

[sacred timber]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJnC_HoaEcE

[sick sentinel]

1hr 46m is fastest i see on youtube

[dawn canyon]

100%

[lyric geode]

Guys do you use strength pots in m+?

[dawn canyon]

Not any%

Completely different

[sacred timber]

sometimes

[sick sentinel]

early 2000's i would play NES on pc and record self, could get through mm2 to 2nd wily boss stage in 20~ish minutes

never panned out

[sacred timber]

only game I have speed run is DS3

I think my any% glitchless record is like 2 hours?

2:44.46

[sick sentinel]

on a real gameboy i could do a speed run of mm3gb, short game and lots of OP weapons early on,

[sacred timber]

Only game I play outside of wow anymore is Stardew Valley and Pokemon: Shield

[primal cape]

what would fit better with necro between scale or codex + AFE

[sick sentinel]

AFE is nice

[jagged pier]

Yer its an incrdible small amount of players, and like top 10% of that is KSM

[sick sentinel]

will do things on moongaurd goldshire for AFE

[sacred timber]

OwO

[sacred timber]

WoW had 22M players last quarter, and 1.5M toons have run a key this season.

[lyric geode]

You are not sure that the 90% of players were bots farming mats?

[dawn canyon]

I wish

No bots = bad ah

[sacred timber]

and approximately 293k toons have KSM.

[lyric geode]

You revealed my 292k alts of mine farming KSM

[sacred timber]

Even if each toon belonged to one player. Approximately 1.33% of the entire WoW population has KSM

not accounting for people having 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, etc alts

I have 2 toons that are KSM and I assume that is the norm for high level players

Last season I had 3 ksms.

If 3 KSM toons was the average for all players that have ksm that is 0.4% of players having KSM.

[timber slate]

what are the other 98.7% doing then? xD

[sacred timber]

farming mounts, doing quests, pvp, reading the lore, living in goldshire inn, pet battles, doing old content, farming their garrison, etc.

[jagged pier]

U dont want to know

[median tulip]

Remember that 50% of the player base never even does a Mythic 0

[jagged pier]

All of your stastics arent including bots etc etc so its even smaller %

[sacred timber]

less than that

by a large amount

[chrome falcon]

The people doing 0 keys or raids are probably having more fun than we are

[sacred timber]

yep

[median tulip]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-test-no-lies-detected-lies-lying-detection-gif-4173107

[sacred timber]

I started in casual guilds when I joined WoW last year, and there were people who had been playing since classic without a single AoTC

same toon as well

I have been playing for 18 months and almost have 3.

[median tulip]

Main problem with getting AOTC this tier is people don't actually want to do Jailer

[cinder nova]

I can only imagine the Rusteeze guys from Cars as being the true casual player.

[sacred timber]

WoW really missed the ball by not giving a tier piece to Jailer.

[cinder nova]

It would've been good if they gave him a tier piece that let you choose slot.

But that'd be too smart.

[jagged pier]

Rp'ers have the most fun in wow dont at me

And i dont mean erp i mean the proper way

[lyric geode]

Bdks enrage is because most people of bdks are newcomers who wanted to play meta, and with the new nerfs, they are now bagholders, change my mind.

[jagged pier]

Fotm rerollers are always angry

Angry its a class they dont like, angry because they arent good, angry because they didnt get loot, angry because ppl are doing more damage and high content then them

U cant please them

[timber slate]

but BDK is extremely boring to play imo

[median tulip]

Yeah, that would have been SMRT

[cloud onyx]

Thinking of playing prot warrior again. Last i played it was end of bfa with all the fun avatar procs and such. Is the playstyle still similiar to back then?

[shell shale]

I'm enjoying necro prot war with 4 piece

you spend rage so fast to keep banner up and reset avatar cd

pretty enjoyable imo

and i can do 20 keys without needing healing ez pz

[cinder nova]

Cosmic truths. It's why I keep playing warrior. I like the class and the fantasy is cool.

[cloud onyx]

i played prot pally at the start of shadowlands, real fun with their divine toll ability. I'd liek a change up though

[cinder nova]

Warrior plays sort of like they did in BFA, but mechanically at the rotational level they're much different.

[cloud onyx]

is thunderclap still super spammy? that was a lot fo fun

[cinder nova]

No.

We barely touch it now.

[cloud onyx]

fair, ill look it up

[lofty widget]

its our lowest prio spell now

[cloud onyx]

oh wow

[cinder nova]

Revenge is our main AOE

[cloud onyx]

fair

[cinder nova]

In general, it's still very much in the realm of being a rage engine feedback loop.

So that will be familiar, as it has been for the last 2 or 3 xpacks.

But the methods by which that loop is achieved vary from endgame to endgame.

Right now it involves NL Banner and 4p play with Glory/Reprisal and just throttling damage.

You're quite literally spending rage to make rage.

[shell shale]

^^

I'm enjoying it

[cloud onyx]

yea, i just looked it up. it looks fun

[orchid garden]

Is there any trick on how to get 100% uptime on the banner? i never get more than like ~50s, 1min at max.

[lofty widget]

1. press your buttons on cooldown 2. dont overcap rage

[sturdy sable]

Charge weave dont waste rage

[orchid garden]

Is there anything about the conduits or so you have to pick?

[lofty widget]

unnerving focus to increase your rage gen during LS

[orchid garden]

mh yeah, i already got that one

thanks guys

i may just have to train the banner a bit more

[lofty widget]

a lot of it is just practicing, not standing around between pulls etc

[chrome falcon]

getting a good banner isn't a specific skill

you don't play differently because you're trying to keep banner up

playing warrior well is literally just generating and spending rage efficiently

so just SS/reprisal when you can and don't overcap

[sacred timber]

these Fotm players should Just find a toon you like the rotation/playstyle for and play it. I have a dude in my guild that plays feral and wipes the fucking floor with everyone, str8 99% parses. A good player on a D-tier spec is honestly better than an average player on an S-tier class.

[distant crystal]

but a good player on an s-tier class...

[mighty valley]

practice does mean a lot though, if you keep swapping to fotm specs you'll be average forever

unless you're one of the world's best and this is your job

[sacred timber]

this

[maiden ravine]

I just play what I find fun, barring some extremes like I'm not gonna make condemn prot work with covenant swapping a thing. 😄

[cinder nova]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827408216987140126/962262599683149844/unknown.png

[maiden ravine]

I still have thunderlord stompers in my bag from season 1.

Oh the dark days when that was the prot legendary

[cinder nova]

I don't think it ever was my guy.

TLS was just people huffing copium to hang on to a dream after they disjoined BFA tech.

[maiden ravine]

nah, in season 1 your choice was stompers for m+ and maybe wall for raid.

[lofty widget]

wall was superior in m+ as well

[maiden ravine]

or at least 9.0. Reprisal came in 9.0.5?

[lofty widget]

you didnt even run BV with TLS

[cinder nova]

☝️ Having SW up more often on big pulls was better.

TLS was just a meme.

[maiden ravine]

I dunno, whenever I made TLS it was in the guide

[lofty widget]

i ran TLS at the start as well, until someone showed me wall was more rage gen+better surv

[jagged pier]

It was for the first week then the raid came out

[cinder nova]

Oh right Wall was in raid, wasn't it?

I mean, I guess?

[bitter shell]

Hi im new to this channel - is the codex bis for tanking m+? just thinkin since it proc when taking dmg and we block alot of dmg. Is it worth to have?

right now i have codex and Blood spattered as trinkets

[primal cape]

i like extra hp from codex, but trying scale and afe atm

[bitter shell]

afe?

[timber slate]

anima field emiter

[bitter shell]

ah

[maiden ravine]

went ahead and got 2p cause why not, at least the prot 2p is good haha

[gritty tartan]

Hey guys, new prot here, where do you guys download routes ? I am to lazy and dumb to do my own routes, so looking for a place where i can find routes and import on dungeon tools. I am currently using https://keystone.guru/

[odd tree]

Dratnos usually posts some basic routes on raider.io

[sick sentinel]

rip 9 lol

[wintry robin]

hey guys, last night i played with a prot war, we ran a TZV Streets. On the 1st boss, it kept not casting the rotating shield ability. Is there any way he could be the one making it happen?

[sweet summit]

just rng it

boss is buggy as fuck

[wintry robin]

lmao the whole instance is

ty man

[sick sentinel]

pug stuff happened, but alot was me, i didn't go left enough at the start, so we got bogged down on trash
like i thought you got in the middle, towards the ship, then the island, main thing i really screwed up on was lots of damage on final boss and died to a yellow circle bomb

[lofty widget]

strafing left/right can bug it

[orchid garden]

For the banners range: is there a maxrange for range dps to gain the buff?

[strong forum]

15y afaik

applying the buff*

once the buff is applied you can go wherever

but if you wanna apply it you gotta be relatively close

[honest parcel]

Is the inscrutable quantum device any good?

[strong forum]

not smth youd wanna go for

its good for ST parsing if you can guarantee getting haste from it

[honest parcel]

I'm currently using scale and elegy, should I replace elegy or not good?

[strong forum]

if anything id stop using scale and use IQD

especially in raid

in m+ id just stick with scale and elegy, if you need the defensives from scale, if you do lowish keys go iqd + elegy

[primal cape]

does str buff from necro supposed to be better at overall than kyr ?

[strong forum]

yes

but its fairly equal dmg wise between necro and kyr, but necro gets the added benefit of being alot tankier and more consistent rage gain

whereas kyrian is alot easier to play and better burst threat on pull

[honest parcel]

Alright, Thanks Nomeratur 😄

[maiden ravine]

Even with 2p I suck at banner uptime. Just 39%

[strong forum]

gotta work on that

[maiden ravine]

18% haste is probably low, but I'm trying

[strong forum]

its really low, but shouldnt be the deciding factor for banner uptime

[sick sentinel]

i thought u guys said BDK nerfed to ground

[strong forum]

not the ground, but middle of the pack

[sick sentinel]

and then i look MDI rn double BDK

[strong forum]

the nerfs arent live yet

they will go live next reset

[maiden ravine]

Also, it ain't bloody fair that spell reflect works on Beryllia. 😄

[strong forum]

starting next week youll mostly see VDHs in mdi again

maybe monks

but probably just vdhs

[vernal vale]

This is completely true. I knew a feral who did the same thing back in legion. I played Gladiator spec despite the perception and did incredibly well. Enjoyment matters.

[strong forum]

its a fucking game

enjoyment should be the only thing that matters

[vernal vale]

^

[strong forum]

but somehow people have their panties in such a fucking twist

[maiden ravine]

No no, if you aren't mythic CE and pushing 30s, why are you even BOTHERING? /s (But people make me feel that way at times)

[strong forum]

and live in the delusion that they cant even begin to play the game if theyre not playing the best of the best

its so fucked up

these people literally have no pride

[vernal vale]

People want to believe they can only be good if they copy what the top players in the world play

which is the wrong mentality

[strong forum]

ive never seen that in other games

its so bizarre

[vernal vale]

I saw it when I played League of Legends

People trying to do things they would see in the world championships and then being toxic when it didnt work.

[strong forum]

(tbf im not involved in any other game nearly as much)

[scenic mural]

Its the fact that blood dk is boring but was made fun with tier, and now they pretty much removed all fun

[strong forum]

they went about it the absolutely wrong way

all they had to do was cap the str gain from the tier

and maybe also nerf gavel

[scenic mural]

Exactly

[strong forum]

and boom

[woven laurel]

is the bdk nerf rlly that bad?

[strong forum]

still fun to play, all you do is remove the top end DPS which only 1% of all BDK players could even achieve

[scenic mural]

Yes

[strong forum]

they lose 40% DRW uptime

and with that they lose like 4k+ dps

so they get double fucked

lose alot of dps and alot of survivability

[sturdy sable]

Yeah the bdk discord has the sims if your interested in the exact number

[woven laurel]

oh wow i didnt realize it equated to that much loss

[lofty widget]

similar to if they increased rage needed to extend banner i suppose

[maiden ravine]

Blood tanks are saying they have to swap mains for Jailer now or get one shot

[strong forum]

yea

[scenic mural]

They nerfed it in a way that giga nerfs the top end players, but also just giga fucks the low end players. Not really how it should work

[chrome falcon]

yeah jailer would be pretty scary for bdk now

[strong forum]

BDKs wont be able to pool enough rp between auto attacks on jailer now

[sturdy sable]

Yeah they shouda just capped the str gain

[scenic mural]

MDI should not be the standard for balance

[chrome falcon]

it's not just mdi

[strong forum]

well let me tell you

the only time they balance classes is during heroic week or mdi

thats it

:))

and on heroic week the current 4p BDK didnt exist yet

cuz it got hotfixed to work the way it does during mythic week

[scenic mural]

They give survival and destro psuedo nerfs then just dumpster dks

[strong forum]

[maiden ravine]

I still think they should make tier bonuses background seasonal effects and not gear related. Wouldn't have this problem of tuning tiers around it maybe being there and not knowing how things really work.

[sturdy sable]

Man any time i mention tuning based off the mdi ppl shoot me

[chrome falcon]

they tuned this raid around people having tier though that's pretty clear

[strong forum]

theres historic evidence

[sturdy sable]

It happens any time a outlier is showcased

But ppl act like it never happens

[strong forum]

that they clearly nerf around MDI

[scenic mural]

Thus removes the point of the game. Doing content getting gear

[strong forum]

just look at SPB for vdh

[lofty widget]

good thing no one plays pwar in mdi

[maiden ravine]

You're still getting gear.

[sturdy sable]

Or uhdk in bfa

[maiden ravine]

To me Tier set bonuses are all about changing up how a spec plays every season.

You don't need that attached to gear to get the effect

[maiden ravine]

it's not excitement most people feel, it's relief they got it faster or finally

[primal cape]

was like 10% S2, terrible

[strong forum]

pwar isnt popular and everybody thinks it somehow got worse

big shocker

[maiden ravine]

Like personally, BrM feels like crap without their 4p.

[scenic mural]

Then get 4p

[lofty widget]

pwar is bad

[scenic mural]

As is the point of the game

[strong forum]

its no secret that literally everybody and their mom outside of this discord thinks pwar is bad

[maiden ravine]

On the other side, Warrior feels pretty damn fun and engaging just with double leggo

[strong forum]

when there is NO evidence to support this claim

but its all just hearsay and if enough people say it, people believe it

[primal cape]

hardest tank to play and too punitive ? cant say

[maiden ravine]

how is pwar hard? Like it's the easiest tank on many bosses to play with shield block, charge, and spell reflect.

at least in m+

[lofty widget]

the high cpm might be offputting

[strong forum]

pwar is the hardest cuz its the fastest spec, isnt as on the nose on how to deal with stuff because its not just "deathstrike it"

people dont see how rage gen is the most important thing

[dark lark]

Other tanks are easier in that they don't have to worry about uptime

[strong forum]

and yeah other tanks are 10x easier

say monk, bear, vdh

[maiden ravine]

You mean it's not normal to really enjoy the shield slam thump noise?

[strong forum]

monk is dumbfuck easy with tier

bear is bear