The Korean only had 50 cpm
#protection
strong forum
And sense generated 30k rage in 34min
The Korean generate 20k rage in 40min
Literally trolling
urban portal
gonna find some other funy logs
strong forum
This shows you
How little skill it takes to do high keys
As an individual
As long as you have 3 dps and a healer carrying your ass
tropic linden
I have a friend that was doing a lot os +20 last season as bear and he never pressed mangle
Like, literally
urban portal
mangle or maul
tropic linden
Both
urban portal
you dont actually have to press maul
tropic linden
Yeah, but mangle
He was our raid tank
But bears were OP last season
Not dmg wise
But not dying wise
livid dagger
Is World Killer Jailer Neck really our BIS over something like the tazavesh neck?
livid dagger
gotcha. so 272 Iris not worth
strong forum
Nah
tropic linden
He took a break this season tho
urban portal
so yeah
tropic linden
yeah, but he timed some 20
What i'm saying is that as long as u stay alive and know the route, u can get away with A LOT of bad plays
minor helm
285 iris = 278 cabachon
But are they equal if biggier number creates the brain chemicals?
lyric geode
Guys, I dont understand.
urban portal
You don’t understand how Alex jones is always right?
lyric geode
I found that mastery>>> versa for some reason
urban portal
Mastery is Rng mitigation and doesn’t help with magic damage
strong forum
Yeah that really isn't understandable
distant crystal
but mastery gives AP and AP gives bigger IPs and IP reduces magic dmg taken
checkmate atheists mastery is good for magic DR
lyric geode
I do something wrong in my calculations?
strong forum
I don't even know what you wanna calculate
Like
Are you exclusively looking at IP increase
urban portal
He’s trying to figure out if mastery or vers is better at a basic level
lyric geode
I am looking for mitigated damage
lyric geode
Non blockable
strong forum
Nuke dmg
urban portal
Non block able 1 hit is what he tried
strong forum
Vs unblockable dmg vers is infinitely better
Cuz it increases shields/heals and reduces dmg by a flat amount, done
urban portal
No
lyric geode
since IP?
strong forum
No
urban portal
You are literally thinking too much
That’s not how tanks are meant to be played
You feelycraft and stack ilvl
lyric geode
I am doing spreadsheets like a good eu4 player.
median tulip
Just equip maximum Haste and let the other stats fall where they will
urban portal
We are beyond spreadsheets in wow
strong forum
You need 1200 vers to hit DR point, vers defensive increase isn't linear effectively, Mastery is rng mitigation and linear
strong forum
Mastery is only better than vers vs blockable dmg
But since its rng
It averages out
lyric geode
You need 1200 vers to hit DR point, vers defensive increase isn't linear effecti...
I know, what is it better? To gain 20k hp more or reduce magic dmg by 2%
strong forum
20k hp? +?
lyric geode
Maybe i am too strenchy
strong forum
Where the fuck are you getting that
lyric geode
Maybe i shall reduce the actual mitigation of the final hp by 55% of the threshold?
urban portal
You are trying to theorycraft numbers without knowing how game works
low kindle
don't think u even get 10k increase with necro banner
lyric geode
If we consider that IP shield isnt really a shield.
median tulip
If you need magic damage recution that badly, then correctly timing one of our 4 20%+ damage mitigation abilites will do more for you than tinkering with your Versa
lyric geode
But I check the final HP of myself.
strong forum
That's some real fucking napkin math
tropic linden
If we consider that IP shield isnt really a shield.
But IP don't reduce what u want to reduce, it mitigates what comes first
U can't IP a cast from the caster
U just IP
It's not reliable
strong forum
It's a purely hypothetical point
tropic linden
If ur taking blockable dmg, Mast is better, if not, Vers is better
urban portal
This guy makes cautex math look legit
tropic linden
I know were ur comming from, i also like to do spreadsheets
But there is no 1 definitive answer to this question
distant crystal
sure there is
lyric geode
I see.
distant crystal
haste!
tropic linden
I see.
Depends on the pull composition
Etc
And u can't have a set of gear for every raid boss
I mean, u could... But that's dumb
lyric geode
well, i am seeing for m+ mostly
chrome falcon
counterpoint
strong forum
if you want to write a dmg model for every situation and then write an extensive APL for it to figure out which stat defensively makes sense, go for it
chrome falcon
stat crit and kill everything before it kills you
sick sentinel
do you have a hard time getting into high key groups?
median tulip
JUST PLAY CORRECTLY AND USE YOUR ABILITIES AT THE RIGHT TIME AND THAT WILL HAVE TEN TIMES THE EFFECT ON YOUR SURVIVABILITY AS A TINY % MORE VERSA
strong forum
for effectively 0 gain
chrome falcon
yeah parano people don't like pwarr
lyric geode
do you have a hard time getting into high key groups?
Yy
sweet summit
i_just_press_buttons.jpg
chrome falcon
the bell curve meme where the best and worst 0.1% are "just press buttons" is 100% accurate
sick sentinel
i wont bother starting tanking then
chrome falcon
well hey i didn't say that 😦 tanking is cool and fun
it depends what you mean by high
tropic linden
well, i am seeing for m+ mostly
The problem with spreadsheets is that our skills have A LOT of interaction with our mitigation, u won't be able to spreadsheet it, u need to model it to be precise
median tulip
i wont bother starting tanking then
It's still a hundred times easier to get a group as it is for DPS
chrome falcon
^
lyric geode
It's still a hundred times easier to get a group as it is for DPS
No, in high keys is the opposite
vernal vale
the bell curve meme where the best and worst 0.1% are "just press buttons" is 10...
It's extremely true though.
ocean yoke
we still have tank priveliges anyway so getting in not too wild
lyric geode
In high keys people expect meta, so IDK.
strong forum
funny thing is
tropic linden
But that's the same for DPS, u need to start adding ppl u met in keys
tropic linden
And start pushing with friends u met along the way
strong forum
everything else is open
lyric geode
there is no meta
(survival, warlocks and bdk).
tropic linden
The friends u make is the true prize in the end
strong forum
BDK isnt meta
lyric geode
Have they being nerfed?
urban portal
Bdk let’s your healers do damage
strong forum
yes
urban portal
And have 2k hps
strong forum
like a healer should
median tulip
BDK very briefly became Meta and then everyone realised that unless the player is on the far far right of that Bell curve then BDK is really not all that hot
strong forum
a good healer doesnt need to heal
urban portal
Hot and sck perma
strong forum
cuz his group doesnt take dmg
urban portal
While blood pulling 20k
lyric geode
tropic linden
The thing with healer is that the higher u push the less u need to heal
tropic linden
Because slip ups are oneshots
tropic linden
Only in some bosses/very few packs with healer mechanics that u need to pay attention
lyric geode
but has obv downsides
?
strong forum
that being if a BDK doesnt parry, he can literally get 1shot
so the higher keys will go, the less likely BDK will be to survive
ocean yoke
i bet if you look at their dps comps there will be a lower % of specs represented too
lyric geode
He gets like 75% more strength
strong forum
doesnt fucking matter
i watched naowh tank 28 streets first boss
he dropped to 10% every attack he didnt parry
median tulip
BDK can just ourtright fucking die and there's fuck all anyone, including the healer, can do about it
urban portal
^
strong forum
its not gonna take much more until DKs cant survive unparried attacks anymore
urban portal
And it’s not like you know when that’s happening either
With warrior you know you are dead if block goes dry
But bdk doesnt
strong forum
the only time a warri loses HP is through a mistake
urban portal
He can just get rnged
strong forum
BDK can legit just get rnged to death anytime
sure its unlikely in low keys
but itll be more and more of an issue the higher the keys go
lyric geode
Still, its dmg output with jailor's mace is quite high
strong forum
nobody is disputing that
urban portal
Unlucky borrowed power favors them
tropic linden
Yeah, but almost no one have it
tropic linden
U can't invite a BDK expecting him to have gavel
strong forum
also true
lyric geode
Key level too low
strong forum
dying is not an issue for any tank in mdi
urban portal
Ye
median tulip
But when you are in a PUG in the real retail game, and people insist of inviting a BDK over another tank "because damej" - that's just fucking idiocy
lyric geode
Meaning he can pull bigger pulls
strong forum
Meaning he can pull bigger pulls
no...
tropic linden
Look as 9.1 great push, it wasn't only paladins
strong forum
they could do mdi pulls with literally any tank
tropic linden
Because dmg wasn't all that matter
urban portal
We pick up the entire necrotic wake at once
tropic linden
Bud MDI is all about AOE dmg
ocean yoke
now survival the spec tho
median tulip
I'll be honest; I think MDI is a cancer on the games Meta
strong forum
its as cancer to the meta as any competetive game having tournaments
strong forum
wow is the only game which has sunken cost fallacy
all other competetive games dont have that
urban portal
Like gearing?
strong forum
yes
grave crane
And leveling toons that fall out of meta I imagine
strong forum
MDI is only cancer to dumb people
urban portal
True
strong forum
any person with a brain and friends doesnt care about it
strong forum
bro i need my +7 score!
and your class, not the player only the class, is bad!!!!
thats totally it!!!
so fucking stupid
median tulip
MDI is only cancer to dumb people
Spoiler Alert: There are a lot of those
dawn canyon
nome have pugs ever told you to play other tanks
strong forum
in the past 4 years
dawn canyon
Even better
median tulip
I only pug ToP, and then only when I need weekly keys
chrome falcon
i can't get over the guy who said i "deserved it for picking prot warrior because i asked to be weak" when i said i had 45 kc in VoTW for faulty countermeasure
that shit made me laugh
lyric geode
I have done today 3 20s in time (Streets, ToP and PF). I feel good. Protection warrior is more like for tyrinnical weeks to be honest.
chrome falcon
but our utility sir?
sir our utility? we don't have mass grip or sigil of silence, sir? our utility?
strong forum
yeah safeguard rally bshout intervene 2 aoe stops and aoe taunt too bad 😔
youre right
lyric geode
4 min is fine.
sick sentinel
the problem with fort is there is so many random mechanics that buffing them screws it up somehow
strong forum
we used to have aoe taunt on 40sec CD
urban portal
yeah because taunt is on the same level of util as dshield right
median tulip
Everything more than 2 minutes should work with Anger Management
lyric geode
What shall really happen is 100% uptime of banner
strong forum
but then we started to play Necrolord 
median tulip
And Anger Management should be baseline
lyric geode
At least something to be mindful and not be braindead.
urban portal
why should taunt be 4min
lyric geode
I mean with urh, yes.
strong forum
without urh
urban portal
people are extending it over 2 minutes
chrome falcon
with good dps and the right key you can get 100% banner in keys
urban portal
you press banner once a dungeon
chrome falcon
it's already a total joke in raid to get
urban portal
and thats it
median tulip
Most dungeons have break points where you will drop banner and have to reapply it
urban portal
on active time it should just be 100%
strong forum
but for basically every pull you will have banner unless you literally afk
median tulip
But as far as combat time goes, yes you can have permanent banner if you are playing coprrectly
sick sentinel
i don't know the difference but there is a banner you can equip thats perma and cosmetic
sick sentinel
bit troll if you always kept it up IMHO
chrome falcon
it's so funny that the first thing the AI does when it mind controls you
is pop cosmetic banner
dawn canyon
Perma 2 banners
median tulip
(which means pressing buttons; dump rage to IP, use Revenj for SS resets and Charge/Intervene on CD
dawn canyon
urban portal
you def need a bit of haste tho
chilly brook
pwar so weak it only needs 1.3k ehrps in 25 fort raging keys
kekw yea just checked one of my 20s only needed like 1.1k ehrps
urban portal
but either way something like 80/90 is very doable
lyric geode
Well, if only you could extend the duration of banner to the other folks too.
That would be dope.
chrome falcon
yeah that wouldn't be ok
strong forum
that would be more broken than gavel
lyric geode
Really?
lyric geode
Just for once, blizzard experiment with that.
chrome falcon
giving your group 1224 free mastery for a whole run?
median tulip
It would be less noticeable though, because it wouldn't apply to our DPS on the meters
chrome falcon
and that's not counting the uh
strong forum
cuz of the sheer uptime
lyric geode
worse than PI
Sir, this isnt haste.
chrome falcon
banner was giving people 1k dps in their opener LAST patch
dawn canyon
400 mastery is a lot for enha and other broken dps
urban portal
so
chilly brook
prot is bad or something
urban portal
what if it isnt haste
strong forum
ya unplayable
urban portal
its mastery on 100% uptime
mighty valley
tbh we could bring perma banner which would ignore all slows in dungeons forever and people would still say we don't bring utility
urban portal
the worst classes with mastery still gains a good amount of damage
dawn canyon
tbh we could bring perma banner which would ignore all slows in dungeons forever...
That sounds sooo fun tho
chilly brook
tbh we could bring perma banner which would ignore all slows in dungeons forever...
literally no one cares about utility until you start doing big damage
dawn canyon
Slows in pve have to be the most annoying shit
strong forum
every tank and their mom rolled pwar in 9.0.5 after they reworked banner
chilly brook
then all of a sudden you have "utility" somewhere
mighty valley
"no utility" is a lot of peoples' favorite meme for inventing tank metas
strong forum
because of how broken it initially sounded
but in practice it plays like fucking garbage to buff others
so it didnt get played
lyric geode
Also, i think they should increase the amount of mastery.
sick sentinel
The utility argument maybe matters at like really high bleeding edge keys
lyric geode
How much mastery did it gave in 9.05?
urban portal
400
strong forum
same amount
chrome falcon
408!
urban portal
before that it gave crit
dawn canyon
The utility argument maybe matters at like really high bleeding edge keys
That's what weekly 15s dont understand
median tulip
My favourite is when people cite BDK's Brez as a Utility and I'm like... "Tell me you don't know how BDK tank works without telling me you don't know how BDK tank works"
urban portal
and was stationary
dawn canyon
Crit Banner in pvp
lyric geode
Maybe go for 600. And also, make it customize your stat you like
chilly brook
My favourite is when people cite BDK's Brez as a Utility and I'm like... "Tell m...
I mean it is
dawn canyon
Banner on back 400 crit Banner would be so sick
lyric geode
That would be good.
chilly brook
it's not great wasting your RP on it
urban portal
Damn freebetspins just makes worse and worse takes everyday
dawn canyon
4 set BDK has enough RP to cr
median tulip
it's not great wasting your RP on it
Understatement
lyric geode
Damn freebetspins just makes worse and worse takes everyday
?
lyric geode
I am telling to blizzard to experiment with banner.
chilly brook
Understatement
it's less of a concern now
urban portal
600 mastery to 3 ppl would be balancing nightmare
urban portal
No one wants externals in this game except degen parsers
chrome falcon
if banner gave SIX HUNDRED mastery you'd probably have to start holding it for dps in raid
it would fuckin blow
lyric geode
600 mastery to 3 ppl would be balancing nightmare
It gave 400 at the beginning of the expansion. It is only logical to give more on later expansion
urban portal
In dps chat archi is advocating for the removal of mastery to others
chrome falcon
let alone if you actually made it give haste or crit
lofty widget
if banner gave SIX HUNDRED mastery you'd probably have to start holding it for d...
no 😠
chilly brook
It gave 400 at the beginning of the expansion. It is only logical to give more o...
Banner is perfect as is
stop
urban portal
It gave 400 at the beginning of the expansion. It is only logical to give more o...
No it doesn’t
It’s a % increase to your damage
median tulip
I am telling to blizzard to experiment with banner.
I hope that banner makes it into Dragons expack in some form. I suspect that Bliz will do to it what they did to the end-of-BfA tank build and gut it horribly tho
dawn canyon
I wanna have spear or Banner from sl
urban portal
If your damage gets higher then banner gives more damage
chrome falcon
i don't know what thunderous force is
urban portal
Yes
chrome falcon
i assume you mean show of force
lofty widget
it is
mellow gorge
show of force*
lofty widget
especially on tyr weeks
mellow gorge
yeah mb
dawn canyon
AJ big fun
chrome falcon
and yeah i prefer AJ to SoF but SoF might be marginally better on like fort
but juggernaut is B I G C R I T S
median tulip
ashen jugg better than thunderous force for dps conduit?
Yes on Tyr, meh on Fort
lofty widget
overall crits from execute in a key 
median tulip
You can safely socket AJ and never change it and not care, tho
urban portal
they both suck
so doesnt matter
aj just has a higher ceiling
while show is mid always
median tulip
Neither AJ or SoF are game-breaking
chrome falcon
well AJ is insane on high health targets
lyric geode
If only I was a dev on blizzard team, I would balance out protection warrior.
chrome falcon
protection warrior is balanced
chilly brook
Neither AJ or SoF are game-breaking
AJ is nuts
chrome falcon
stop the complaining i beg
strong forum
Prot is literally balanced
urban portal
and i would not play wow if you were balancing this game
median tulip
If I didn't have to take a 3rd potency to get OOz's Frictionless Coating I wouldn't
urban portal
in fact i dont wanna play wow rn
agile pumice
Turn AJ into legion juggernaut 😤
strong forum
Prot and pally are the only 2 tanks that are actually balanced
chrome falcon
if you are dying to anything below 25 or mythic jailer it is because you are simply bad
... ok maybe below 23
chilly brook
AJ is absolutely disgusting in raid
chrome falcon
because i definitely die in 24s lol
chilly brook
if you are dying to anything below 25 or mythic jailer it is because you are sim...
it still happens when people don't kick
unkicked shadowcores is gross
chrome falcon
lyric geode
Literally the entire warlock class were nagging all the time, and they get what they want with these buffs.
Same with bdks
chilly brook
Same with bdks
no
chrome falcon
Wow yeah, prot warrior definitely hasn't got any buffs recently
chilly brook
lol
chrome falcon
Yep
No prot warrior buffs this whole patch
Never happened, never will!
YEPYEPYPEYEPYPE
chilly brook
blood has been meh this entire xpac
strong forum
Praise [redacted] 🙏
chrome falcon
and blood in legion was 100x easier than this
lyric geode
Literally the entire warlock class were nagging all the time, and they get what ...
Am I wrong with that.
urban portal
yes
chilly brook
and blood in legion was 100x easier than this
yep
I tried blood with 4 set and noped on out
median tulip
Warlocks have the thing that the triple DPS spec classes often get, where at least one of their specs is always good
chrome falcon
legion bdk press bonestorm press mass grip and your group just chain stuns the pack and you win
dawn canyon
Warlocks complain but not bdk
strong forum
All they got was a 5% buff nobody asked for
And demo nerfed
Like
??
What crying have they done
urban portal
did blizz do a good job at the tier set
not really
some classes have absurd tier sets while others do nothing
chilly brook
What crying have they done
Idk I've cried about aff being garbage, it hasn't worked though
urban portal
but thats just because blizzard isnt creative
strong forum
Idk I've cried about aff being garbage, it hasn't worked though
True
lyric geode
some classes have absurd tier sets while others do nothing
This guy can read!
strong forum
I should cry for aff aswell
urban portal
prot warrior tier is one of the best designed tier sets
strong forum
Aff is the only good warlock spec
chilly brook
Aff is the only good warlock spec
chrome falcon
blizz needs to lock 5 class designers in a room for a week
urban portal
even if their tier set is bad
chrome falcon
so they can figure out
wtf they want to do with havoc
it's like they got 30% of the way to designing a class then just said "eh fuck it we're done"
lyric geode
Honestly I like the meta reduction.
urban portal
its just that locks got the perfect storm of double leggo+tier
median tulip
deep steppe
urban portal
Honestly I like the meta reduction.
the fact that its a 2% dps up?
lyric geode
I think it can.
strong forum
!
sick sentinel
oh crap 😦 the 7streets 2 chested into a 9 gambit, and i haven't run that dungeon yet either or the 10 mechanic
chrome falcon
gambit is a joke
chilly brook
gambit is freeee
chrome falcon
well everything at 9 is a joke but gambit is very easy
lyric geode
Just press delete in murlocs
sick sentinel
im sure it is but im still nervous because i have never ran it before
dawn canyon
Gl
median tulip
oh crap 😦 the 7streets 2 chested into a 9 gambit, and i haven't run that dungeo...
Gambit easy. Go left, stick to the shoreline, kill murlocs, prio fishsticks. Have the weakaura for the first boss
urban portal
and maybe the final boss
lyric geode
im sure it is but im still nervous because i have never ran it before
Just go to the platform and stay afk
They will figure it on their own
mighty valley
make sure one person knows how to call the signs on the first boss
lyric geode
wait all the bosses have some mechs that tank has to do
Yes
lyric geode
its a good time to learn it on a 9
Not really.
lyric geode
Through mistakes and deaths we learn. And in 9 he cant learn.
median tulip
wait all the bosses have some mechs that tank has to do
lol no. Exhibit A: Kul'tharock in ToP. Literally no tank mechanics
sick sentinel
i have no idea what addons i have, but i have a weak aura and if there is a run away mechanic there is a voice clip of girl say "run away" does that for alot of types of basic mechanics
urban portal
lol no. Exhibit A: Kul'tharock in ToP. Literally no tank mechanics
im saying all bosses in gambit
median tulip
oh right
sick sentinel
soak, avoid, targeting you is a famous one for me
chrome falcon
you can absolutely learn what the boss mechanics in gambit are on a 9 lol
lyric geode
lol no. Exhibit A: Kul'tharock in ToP. Literally no tank mechanics
You have to stay near boss. Also you have to press spell reflect on dot magic.
lyric geode
staying near the boss is a tank mech now
!
urban portal
being in melee range is a mech
mighty valley
you don't learn from mistakes and deaths in a 9 pug because everyone will leave immediately
median tulip
you don't learn from mistakes and deaths in a 9 pug because everyone will leave ...
Occasionally, if I'm feeling really nice, I'll go and tank for some newbies in low keys and try to teach them the mechs
lyric geode
(if only you pull more than 2 packs together)
sick sentinel
i'd probably fuck up the stars diagram on final boss
sick sentinel
that ones a bit tricky for me have to stop and think sometimes
lyric geode
I did a SoA 15. On the last boss they were spread like nuts, the boss was doing a marathon.
chrome falcon
you don't have to think about the whole diagram
lyric geode
Kewk
median tulip
i'd probably fuck up the stars diagram on final boss
One person per star, put arrow thru star EZ GG
chrome falcon
just stand behind one ofthem
lyric geode
Trying to explain, was scolded that it doesnt matter, and do my job better next time.
chrome falcon
it's a 15 i don't think it does matter
sick sentinel
soa final boss is super easy despite tons of mechanics
median tulip
The bit that kills the unaware on So'leah is the energy fragments
lyric geode
The boss was outside of shield, people chase boss, they die because they dont make it.
My fault.
sick sentinel
the main thing i see people fuck up on soa final is bad placement of the black blots of lingering doubt or something inside the protect circle or bad spot general
and ocassionally the wind fucks over hard casters so badly, healer hard caster for example
timber slate
Soa final boss is the easiest
median tulip
The intermission is hard on healers that usually have to hit stuff as part of their healing rotation
lyric geode
And one last thing, people love to be behind the boss and not in front of it, even though there is no mechanic that forbids them being there.
sick sentinel
i saw it once where we were wiping and i wasn't dying, but then i jumped off ledge, and i kept getting in endless loop of up and then back down
like if you hit the ball to that one spot in spacecadet pinball
lyric geode
Ah ok. I maybe havent noticed. But cant they stand sideways?
median tulip
Front 180/rear180 is all that matters
wet pine
Does anyone else dislike booming voice in keys?
median tulip
same as our Shield Block
lyric geode
Ok
median tulip
Does anyone else dislike booming voice in keys?
Yes, run BSC
sick sentinel
BV is not the pick for keys any more
urban portal
especially on tyrannical
sick sentinel
it was in 9.0
urban portal
yogi its the opposite
you ran bsc always after reprisal was a thing
and now with tier theres an argument for bv again
chrome falcon
BV is an outburst stack so there's more reason to take it
personally i kinda like BSC still it's a really marginal difference
lyric geode
Still, BV with execute phase and banner is a lot of dmg.
median tulip
BSC is definitely higher damage on Fort weeks
urban portal
theres an argument for both
im not saying 1 is better
but BV feeds into tier
and better on tyr keys
sick sentinel
so we BV tyr, BSC fort essentially?
urban portal
for bosses
lyric geode
so we BV tyr, BSC fort essentially?
chrome falcon
you can really do whatever you want the difference is like
i think less than 100 dps in sims
sick sentinel
i'm still doing my baby pepega keys anyways but yeah, still kyrian
lofty widget
does codex gain more value on tyr?
chrome falcon
codex scales with damage intake and pretty sure you take more damage on fort on average
lofty widget
yea that makes sense
tardy lily
is there a enchant or sth similar for shields that is worthwhile atm.?
chrome falcon
no
chilly brook
@lyric geode I'm still curious as to why you were spreadsheeting out the stats
strong forum
🛑
chilly brook
@chrome falcon @urban portal mobs and bosses don't parry in m+
chrome falcon
... what?
chilly brook
They don't parry in M+
chrome falcon
do they have to be ?? to have parry?
lament musk
strong forum
Yes mobs in m+ don't parry.
dusky sentinel
Does anyone know if u have to do PF to get the veteran conduit upgrade or is it random on every dungeon?
strong forum
Revendreth dungeons built diff
sick sentinel
sd > hoa
lofty widget
Does anyone know if u have to do PF to get the veteran conduit upgrade or is it ...
PF/ToP
strong forum
You have to be the covenant to drop it
And it has to be the dungeons in the zone of said covenant
dusky sentinel
Makes sense. Feel pretty dumb to not have checked it before
lyric geode
How much haste you haev?
oblique tangle
how self sufficient is prot this patch? especially compared something like brew or vengeance?
jagged pier
if played correctly u really dont need much healing upto and including 20s
probably higher tbh
oblique tangle
if you mess up / drop low on hp, can you recover on your own or are you dependant on the healer?
jagged pier
if played correctly u dont drop low
urban portal
You shouldn’t need more than a health pot to recover
oblique tangle
good to know, thanks for the quicks answers !
median tulip
And it has to be the dungeons in the zone of said covenant
It's only on the loot table for PF
shell shale
I'm pretty sure it's pf / NW / mist / halls that drop the cov conduits. Have to be that covenant to get it tho
timber slate
sick sentinel
working on 239 conduits mostly
im honored with enlighted, someone said i can do something at honored, unity related i think, 100% positive
sick sentinel
revered still red to me
chilly brook
how self sufficient is prot this patch? especially compared something like brew ...
das a 20 fort
sage yacht
goated
sick sentinel
i dont understand the purpose of the vestige of devourers at vendor, i think its to bump up minimum ilvl for 1 item you craft, say legs
sick sentinel
i went ahead got the crafter marks
timber slate
surv and lock probably went to sleep 
sick sentinel
i could go big on crafting if i get some gold
12k ash, 2200 cinders 3k flux, already did my 291 rep
sick sentinel
i want to make 291 SR boots try that maybe
urban portal
i went ahead got the crafter marks
thats for crafting something to ilvl 262
and thats for actually making leggos
do you make your own leggo?
sick sentinel
i can do legs
urban portal
thats where tier goes
timber slate
go with boots
sick sentinel
belt im wrong, its not very high lvl but i have points into it
i didn't take mining at all this expansion
urban portal
if you are offspeccing then you want wrist/helm
but i think you are just going to play prot
so yeah
sick sentinel
if someone asks me to go dps for raid i normally go fury but thats not great dps
precise game play for 95% 's
chilly brook
surv and lock probably went to sleep <:Armsowns:857748787710787605>
that's healing required not damage lol
timber slate
oh lol
timber slate
if someone asks me to go dps for raid i normally go fury but thats not great dp...
go arms
timber slate
huge
chilly brook
could probably do 15k or more if I ran seismic
timber slate
yeah but you'd gimp yourself by losing alot of rage generator
mighty valley
When are you gonna wear the bad trinkets or the -30ilvl cloaks
grave crane
Get rid of that blademasters armor kit lol
median tulip
Is that a Viscera of Coalesced Hatred?!
chrome falcon
you could vendor literally everything in that bag apart from 2 items
and it wouldn't matter
mighty valley
watch yogi sell both trinkets and blizzard randomly buffs them by 600% in response
ilvl 213 sword is now bis
sweet summit
timber slate
orchid garden
Hey guys.
Since a lot of prots are playing necro right now (having no AoE cov ability) in Keys, I am wondering how Venthyr is Right now.
Is it playable and/or fun?
sweet summit
playable, but kinda very bad
it can be fun, but feels extremely lackluster in aoe
jagged pier
not fun
sweet summit
as necro you at least get big fuck mastery with close to 100% uptime
median tulip
Hey guys.
Since a lot of prots are playing necro right now (having no AoE cov ab...
It's literally the worst of the available options.
orchid garden
as necro you at least get big fuck mastery with close to 100% uptime
Close to 100% uptime? Really?
Is there anything special you got to do for the uptime?
dawn canyon
spam ip n revenj
sweet summit
you have insane rage generation with the 2 and 4 piece bonus
lofty widget
press your buttons, avoid capping rage
sweet summit
paired with reprisal
so by just pressing buttons and not overcapping rage
you get to extend it for a long time
ocean yoke
high cpm very fun too
sweet summit
as long as you don't take a minute break between each pull
lofty widget
i miss last week when i actually took dmg 😦
orchid garden
Thanks guys, appreciate your help 👍
sweet summit
chrome falcon
thing about venthyr is that extending avatar from condemn is worse than resetting the CD with the rage from necro
because extending one avatar doesn't give you more outbursts
sweet summit
yeah that too
orchid garden
i miss last week when i actually took dmg 😦
We had 15 affix stacks in a +20 today. The tank survived with his bubble 😏
orchid garden
thing about venthyr is that extending avatar from condemn is worse than resettin...
Yeah I can imagine that when you can extend the banner so much.
Condemn with unity sounds good, but the banner gives an insane bonus..
Would you rather play with booming voice or best served cold as necro?
chrome falcon
they're very even
orchid garden
I like bsc with reprisal, but is the extra rage for the banner needed?
chrome falcon
BV is showing a bit better
you don't need it for banner no
but it's an outburst stack
sweet summit
BSC is better damage
BV is safer for banner uptime and not that far behind in aoe and slightly ahead for ST damage iirc
chrome falcon
also if you find yourself having threat issues BSC is obviously much better for that
orchid garden
How about the burst threat on pull?
sweet summit
you press revenge a couple times and then all is well
chrome falcon
yeah threat is ezpz
any time you have to pull without ravager or avatar available you should have challenging
chilly brook
BSC is better damage
BV is safer for banner uptime and not that far behind in ao...
Not playing BSC in keys would be weird
sweet summit
not really
orchid garden
Most guided recommend BV and there are many warriors playing it.
chilly brook
Most guides do not recommend BV for keys
orchid garden
With Urh and the same cd like ravager it doesn’t look bad, that’s why I’m asking 🙂
chilly brook
Unless something changed
chilly brook
not really
We haven’t used BV in keys since BFA, so ye it would feel a little weird
chrome falcon
they're so close you just play what you like
chilly brook
^
orchid garden
Perfect, thank you all!
chilly brook
Although who knows maybe I’d like BV in keys a lot
chrome falcon
thing is
if i don't play BV i literally press demo shout like twice per key
during dead globals
sick sentinel
BV is nice put it that way, rage gain, DR, and dmg increase on AOE, there for good for ravager avatar pulls or executes
chilly brook
if i don't play BV i literally press demo shout like twice per key
Actual truth
chrome falcon
take it off the GCD fuckers
if i have to press a button that doesn't generate or spend rage
i ain't happy
chilly brook
No it should just be off gcd period
mighty valley
one more patch: double legendary, double covenant
chilly brook
It’s a defensive
chrome falcon
yeah that's the problem
chilly brook
Like straight up no other tank has a dr that’s on gcd
crude notch
Calm down before they put IP back on GCD
sweet summit
timber slate
just got this good boi
urban portal
Wings is a huge resource generator for example
Wings doesn’t generate on the button press tho right
urban portal
I thought it was only giving you hammer for free
chilly brook
Wings doesn’t generate on the button press tho right
no but it does add an extra generator, you can also talent into it giving you double generation
BV is only like 3ish shield slams
in terms of rage generation
urban portal
Yeah that’s it then
If they would make bv double rage gen for next 3 abilities or something
It would be off gcd
chilly brook
I mean
urban portal
Fury reck obviously doubles rage gen and it’s off gcd
chilly brook
you realize BV is a talent
lol
otherwise DS is just an on GCD 15% DR
kinda stupid
subtle perch
is scars of fraternal strife any good?
chilly brook
it exists
I don't think I'd use it over anything else
but that's just me
maybe worth on like parse runs
chilly brook
But faulty countermeasures, sigil, OWS, sack and phial exist
so if I was parsing I'd use one of those instead personally
ionic zenith
shell shale
soleah's get haste and then use sack is what id do probably
sick sentinel
OMFG, a bdk nerf!!!!
op gets un-op'd, big surprise
lyric geode
op gets un-op'd, big surprise
not until they remove the jailor's mace.
or at least nerf it on bdks
median tulip
The BDK nerf is the least surprising nerf ever
lyric geode
bdk is definitely not op anymore
Still they have to nerf their dmg as well.
vernal vale
Lol
dark lark
Still they have to nerf their dmg as well.
Losing their DRW uptime is a big damage nerf
lyric geode
I know, instead of 75% they will get like 33-50% I dont know the exact numbers
lyric geode
I am trying to saying that they will get a substuntial nerf. but not so much on their dmg
chrome falcon
and you are incorrect
lyric geode
Blizzard needs to nerf the damage a little bit more
chrome falcon
lol
lyric geode
chrome falcon
so you don't know how big the nerf is but you're very confident it's not enough
good stuff
chilly brook
chrome falcon
class is almost gutted if that goes live
lyric geode
class is almost gutted if that goes live
Not true, they will have a period that they cant mitigate the damage though.
chrome falcon
uh huh
median tulip
It'll hit their ability to pull ceaselessly and do things like the 5 pull gambit runs
lyric geode
It'll hit their ability to pull ceaselessly and do things like the 5 pull gambit...
gutted Bdk
mighty valley
it looks like they will be a pretty normal tank
chrome falcon
their damage is going to be shit in raids
chilly brook
their damage is going to be shit in raids
11k is in line with prot
lyric geode
11k is in line with prot
So, protection is shit too?
mighty valley
in relative terms we are the worst
median tulip
11k on single target?
chilly brook
11k on single target?
Yes
lyric geode
So, protection is shit too?
?
lyric geode
little worse than bdk. Good lord
mighty valley
hence the nerf?
lyric geode
True
chrome falcon
yeah idk what your point is
are you trying to find someone to disagree that bdk was broken
also hey
i'm on there
😄
mighty valley
uh oh. warrior about to look broken on charts like this
chilly brook
yeah idk what your point is
Me or him?
lyric geode
Nah, I am just mindful how a single warrior in the sea of bdks is an indication that protection warrior is the second best ST tank
mighty valley
i mean... nerf every single bdk on that list and warrior looks pretty good, right?
lyric geode
when the data are probably incomplete, in a sense that we are seeing like 10 people of 100 bdks
after the nerf, if we see most of warrior protection, I WILL ADMIT THAT WE ARE IN GOOD SPOT
ok?
mighty valley
we're not suddenly going to become the meta tank but we're fine
lyric geode
hahahahahaha
I love this community
I maybe be so DOOMER that you may find me enjoyable
and some of you quite irritating
chilly brook
when the data are probably incomplete, in a sense that we are seeing like 10 peo...
You realize that kinda looks worse for your argument
chrome falcon
I maybe be so DOOMER that you may find me enjoyable
i can assure you that's not what's happening here
vernal vale
Oh goodness
lyric geode
You realize that kinda looks worse for your argument
I mean, statistically speaking having larger pool is better indication of what is happening
having a pool of 10 people is quite incomplete
timber slate
Broken but pretty boring
chilly brook
The likely hood of your theoretical max going up goes down with the larger the sample size in this case
Which means if warrior has a smaller sample size
The potential for someone to outperform ze is higher
chrome falcon
on a side note
i have no idea where the fuck that dude pulled that much damage from
chilly brook
Oh hey what do you know @lyric geode
chrome falcon
that's insane
chilly brook
It’s almost like I’m not talking out of my ass
chrome falcon
i felt like i played that pull really well
lyric geode
on the X axis what is the indication?
chrome falcon
that guy just outdps'd me by like over 1k
lyric geode
after the nerf, if we see most of warrior protection, I WILL ADMIT THAT WE ARE I...
I ADMIT THAT PROTECTION WARRIOR IS IN A GOOD SHAPE.
done
mighty valley
we did it gang
wow it's pretty stark on something pure ST like Rygelon
wait
there's ONE prot warrior parse on rygelon so far LMAO
timber slate
Druid ST is kinda depressing🤔
chrome falcon
wouldn't be surprised if prot starts to become more and more meta as this and season 4 goes on
brave stirrup
curious about group building, are sub rogues mainly brought because their aoe dps is super strong or are they also great at ST
lyric geode
wouldn't be surprised if prot starts to become more and more meta as this and se...
Waiting for the moment to happen
chrome falcon
sub = boss killers
mighty valley
pull trash onto bosses, huge funnel
urban portal
They do respectable st in aoe
chrome falcon
pull trash onto boss -> sub kills boss -> everyone else kills trash
shell shale
They do what's called "ethical dmg"
brave stirrup
funnel? or was taht in reference to something else
brave stirrup
ah
urban portal
You do more st damage based on mob count
chrome falcon
they generate combo points from stuff around the boss
shell shale
If big mob dies the same time as small ones the aoe people waste less dmg
chrome falcon
then put that damage into the boss
lyric geode
Can this happen with mobs from raid too?
urban portal
Yeah technically
median tulip
No other class does funnel
Hot Hand/PLA/Necro Enh Shammie would disagree
urban portal
It’s not even close
cinder nova
Only a +16 SD but damn it was a meme
timber slate
Shuriken storm to generate combo points, then spam eviscarete
median tulip
You're right; the Shaman can do insane damage if everything procs (Shammie is very very RNG)
urban portal
Rogues also have 1 trillion stuns
Worst comes to worst you storm cheap shot
You funnel cc
cinder nova
idk 4p enh is pretty piano keyboard with the number of procs
urban portal
Pog
chrome falcon
enhance has to fucking smash their keyboard
median tulip
idk 4p enh is pretty piano keyboard with the number of procs
It's not really the 4pc, it's the 1/3rd chance of getting a fire dog each time that's the thing. The fire dogs are multiplicative with each other
cinder nova
Really? The enh in my raid says he's gotta grow a few extra fingers just to keep up
urban portal
Skill issue or what
median tulip
Raid enh is probably running Night Fae/Witch Doctor's Wolf Bones build
median tulip
With necro you got so much haste. Necro Cov Leg means on big pulls you got 60% bonus Haste, and if PWave resets its CD you can do that back to back
Plus Urh, plus Lust... very very spammy
It's not that unusual to see EnhSham go past 150% Haste
Get PI for gigafun and a serious RSI problem
median tulip
Yeah but it reduces the CD of Lava Lash
The thing with the dogs is; one dog gives a % bonus to fire damage, and a rolling ignite.
The second dog gives another % bonus to fire damage, which acts multiplicatively, and a second rolling ignite
You can have 5 dogs up if you're lucky
1 in 243 chance of all 5 as Fire
If it happens, shit melts
stuck rock
Hot hand procs+funnel= 30k lava lash back to back
crimson furnace
..found a rare prot warr streamer :)) YAY, join me guys if u have nothing to do 😄
mighty valley
wow this guy's scrolling combat text is out of control