Makes me want m+ ubrs
#protection
craggy pilot
when casting Fleshcraft, can i still block attacks?
jagged pier
ye
mossy peak
I think they changed it to give a dr during the channel but... Unless there's nothing going on, just cancel it
Who wants to stand there casting something you're a warrior
mossy peak
Casting it does matter for marileth
Not full just, actually doing it in combat at all
craggy pilot
for M+ i could just go Heirmir tho
craggy pilot
hmm 265 elegy gives me 3% more haste 🤔
265 elegy + 272 soleah i could probably get to like 38% haste
vernal vale
Make use of intimidating and Shockwave
vernal vale
I have gold challenge mode portals from WoD so we probably won't get those portals again.
Blizzard probably will say something about devaluing the work people did.
vestal moat
Question why is no one mentioning OPC with these damage trinkets. Is it not as good as sack or phial.
urban portal
because stat trinkets are not as good on tanks as they are on dps
and its on a cd
prot cds are all over the place
mossy peak
think of stats as a multiplier and flat damage as a base, in a way
urban portal
yeah basically it
mossy peak
tanks generally have low base damage and multiplying it isn't going to do as much as just
adding a ton of extra flat damage
depending on how defensively you're playing, some of the damage proc trinkets can be doing like 8% of your damage
at least on st
urban portal
you know im curious why agi doesnt have good stat trinkets
str has iqd and int has ruby/changling
agi uses generic sigil/iqd
mossy peak
hunter is the only one that gets a bit screwed there, the rest of agi are dw specs and usually they scale well with damage on hit trinkets
what weirds me out is how bad sigil apparently is for demon hunters
bloodmallet so grains of salt but
check that shit out
all damage procs above stats
urban portal
hunter is the only one that gets a bit screwed there, the rest of agi are dw spe...
only on hit trinket this tier is cache
rest are on ppm
dh cheats with trinkets cuz they get free haste
sigil isnt good when your damage profile looks like this
its almost flat
lofty widget
that is correct, it shows where the affix mobs will spawn
sick sentinel
trying to build an under 10 route for this got a 7 key, i'm sure its just hold W, but i've never run the key before so dunno correct routing
urban portal
they dont have cd windows to abuse sigil w
lofty widget
trying to build an under 10 route for this got a 7 key, i'm sure its just hold W...
hold W route is good, when you leave the first room wit h the first boss go left towards the big spider guy
urban portal
you ahve like a 75% uptime on meta
mossy peak
ah, that makes more sense
urban portal
sorry 90% uptime with the bis leggo
even tho its rng
if you have 90% uptime on your cd, you dont have a cd
you feel me
mossy peak
well, unless you're a shadow priest in emerald nightmare
then you are allowed to do infinite damage, then die
urban portal
is that funny surrender to madness shit
mossy peak
yea
urban portal
what did it do
mossy peak
it just kept going
oblique garnet
It ramped up and kept on going
mossy peak
and your window for error got smaller and smaller
you were flying by the seat of your pants and a sneeze would kill you, but you could keep extending it forever
mossy peak
there was something with uh
on xavius
god it was a long while ago wasn't it
but you like
reverted or something, kind of like murozond
they used that to their advantage
I think there was a dream realm and your body got put in stasis while you were dreaming
and when you croaked in the dream world, you woke up? something like that
and this was xavius, 95%
good shit
they paid for that tier with their lives
mossy peak
I don't remember how good or bad fury was because arms was grossly better
due to pre-nerf focused rage
i literally had an extra keybind with (then off-gcd) hamstring, focused rage, and slam macroed together
just to spend more rage during battle cry
it got even more disgusting if you had the legendary gloves, which i did not
sick sentinel
kill menagrie after doing the panthers? (as boss 2?)
mossy peak
if you're going left, yeah
sick sentinel
okay, i saw someones run and it looked like they did mail room first
mossy peak
probably depends on lust timings and preferences, idk
going left the route is pretty straightforward, or can be
only kill mobs in the way, do the bosses in a row, ez
i will say on tyr weeks you want to be lusting mail boss
any other boss lust is negotiable
but hes a real jerk
sick sentinel
5 bosses for streets?
mossy peak
Yeah they decided 5 and 3 made more sense than 4 and 4 for some reason
Probably because they didn't want portals boss to be the first boss of gambit
sick sentinel
this is the general MDT i come up with RN (i don't have to get the guys below ANGI text, 3 of em?)
mossy peak
pretty much
the lower % change made it really straightforward
you can optionally choose to skip the far pack in mail room and do some more elsewhere, but I prefer not to risk it
uncut notch
I know you don’t care and this is mediocre to some of you thiccbois but fuccccc
SD, every jar was fucked because shit was dying before the DH could pop them haha
sick sentinel
more SS more revenge
eternal moth
and this was xavius, 95%
Man, that tier was a lot of fun. I kinda wish the community (and in response, Blizz) would quit laser-focusing on these metrics. Now the game is WarcraftLogs parses instead of WoW itself
chrome falcon
the idea that people weren't crazy for parses in legion is insane
sick sentinel
the idea that people weren't crazy for parses in legion is insane
the idea that people weren't crazy~~ for parses in legion ~~ is insane
completed the 7 easy, got these 2 (weekend and traded)
sick sentinel
Man, that tier was a lot of fun. I kinda wish the community (and in response, B...
you know, i do understand the whole mindset thing they had going on, just god damn
eternal moth
That's what I'm saying, people were crazy for parses so Blizzard had to eliminate play styles that parsed too well
I think even in 2006 there was some primitive precursor to parses that people were obsessed with, and it's been getting worse and worse every year
mighty valley
people cared about doing big numbers in vanilla for sure, they were just really bad at it
eternal moth
haha, yeah, I guess that back in the day "big numbers" often just meant literally seeing a big number one time
"BAM I just frostbolted that dude for over 1k"
mighty valley
REALLY early on, even just damage meters weren't commonplace, so people thought of warriors as pure tanks and rogues as a utility class you needed, like, one or two of
then the math happened and everyone went "oh"
eternal moth
Legion's just the first time that log parsing really started to get on my nerves.. they nerfed Surrender to Madness because of it and I had some combat rogue who was always being a douche and pulling bosses early because he had a dice roll he liked
sick sentinel
a boss could be based on a 0/1-5/10 stars system, there are always mechanics you have to do right, make that a game, if the boss has most or all of its spells that you can normally interupt stopped, you get points, and those points add up at end of key to determine score
eternal moth
then the math happened and everyone went "oh"
haha, yeah, the story of Indalamar is one of my favorite bits of gaming lore
urban portal
a boss could be based on a 0/1-5/10 stars system, there are always mechanics you...
most mechanics are unstoppable in raid
urban portal
That's what I'm saying, people were crazy for parses so Blizzard had to eliminat...
if a spec is overperforming relative to other specs in a game they'll be nerfed, parses or not
sick sentinel
i was thinking more like in a key, so that could be part of what determines io/m+score as well, which ever u guys want to call it,
urban portal
the only thing to look at for a key is whether you time it or not
and it would disproprotionally favor melees
because ranged cant kick
sick sentinel
that 7 street i just did was 3 melee + priest, other warr, enh dh, pulled mengarie and dh and warrior went splat, fucked up getting aggro on some adds music boss
urban portal
dude its a 7 streets
mighty valley
blizzard has always nerfed specs that do big numbers, though, i don't see what's different about this one
urban portal
i can probably solo a 7 streets
urban portal
blizzard has always nerfed specs that do big numbers, though, i don't see what's...
any game dev worth their time would
the alternative would be to buff every spec to the same level and invalidate the content
mighty valley
yeah i don't think this is about "parsing fever"
sick sentinel
never ran it before, just comin back after month or 2
urban portal
you would not want key performance to be tied to io
trust me
that would be horrible
theres a reason why KDA isnt linked to elo in league/ow/cs go
urban portal
yeah i don't think this is about "parsing fever"
its kind of correlated, by the time legion came around data analysis for wow became more advanced and therefore blizzard would have a more precise method of targetting
for nerfs
mighty valley
sure, data collection got better and more public, but the philosophy didn't change
sick sentinel
its just like, i've "tried the other restaurants now after only having subway in town for 15 years" and then i realize i still like subway alot
mighty valley
it's just like that
urban portal
ofc
im just pointing out that nerfing overperformers has always been what game devs do
but you can only nerf them if you know who they are
mighty valley
sure, i don't think we disagree on anything, i was more just responding to the guy who was like "i wish people didn't care about parsing because that makes blizzard nerf stuff"
chrome falcon
Legion's just the first time that log parsing really started to get on my nerves...
they also nerfed surrender to madness because it was not a playstyle that most shadow priests enjoyed and it was killing bosses way too fast in toxic ways
it wasn't just people whining that shadow was doing good damage
s2m was clearly wildly broken and needed to be gutted
The three shadow priests I had in EN all hated that shit and rolled off priest as soon as we finished prog
violet wharf
Can you SR Riftmaw?
sick sentinel
im not a fan of that unless it gains some new ability like spell cleave cuts it into 2 or 3 shots, then it makes sense doesn't reflect
chrome falcon
Pretty sure that’s exactly how riftmaw works so
mighty valley
yep, changes from targeted to cone
sick sentinel
So that's 100% as intended then
Can't reflect pizza slices or pepperoni circles, especially so if it's nit a bolt thingy that goes at you first dealing dmg, and hits then drops puddle
urban portal
s2m was clearly wildly broken and needed to be gutted
s2d is definitely flavorful
i find it very funny
spare cloud
Anyone have a WA or Details Custom Script to track the amount blocked from your shield?
spare cloud
The value IE: 30k (20k<- blocked)
civic torrent
Probably a wcl expression you can write
Or should be pretty straight forward to write a wa that does this
spare cloud
yeah, you can just see it in the damage taken portion of WCL
civic torrent
Sounds like fun, if I have some free time tonight I'll see if I can make it
spare cloud
That would be amazing, I dont know enough about Details or WAs
Im a nerd for numbers
And sometimes a boss hits you for like 150k, 100k blocked
So would be cool to see the ending numbers of blocked amount
torpid junco
How high of keys do you think we can run with seismic revirb and dps trinkets ?
Like at what point can we not run that due to survivability
vernal vale
How high of keys do you think we can run with seismic revirb and dps trinkets ?
Depends on how good you are and how good your healer is.
If your dps can kick appropriately.
urban portal
If your dps can kick appropriately.
tbf kicks dont matter
not like reprisal helps vs magic
thats the last thing to think about
vernal vale
Fair enough. Kicks get missed and you get slapped anyways.
dark lark
Chad move is to shock wave them to sync the casts and double spell reflect
urban portal
Ofc
ocean yoke
reflecting all the dots from the big serpent packs in spires gets me a bit wet tbh
lilac bloom
ive been proging on ragelon trying to soak the gravitational bubble...but everytime i use defensive it hits hard. I usee shield wall and sometimes throw everythinh i have... do i use The wall leggo for this? i read ignore pain plus demo shout works well
eternal moth
Hey, I just got my two piece and wanted to use a TellMeWhen bar to track Seeing Red. I couldn't find a nicer way to do it, so I had to use this "Lua Value" code, pasting it here in case anyone wants a lua snippet to get Seeing Red stacks:
if sr == nil then sr = 0; end
return sr, 7
(the bar is kind of annoying after all, though, so I think that after all I'm just going to gray out my thunderclap when I'm high on seeing red or have outburst)
sand pebble
Hey, I just got my two piece and wanted to use a TellMeWhen bar to track Seeing ...
Use the weak aura
Its in pins
wraith hemlock
are there any charts about the actions per minute for tanks (or all specs)?
A guildie doesn't believe me prot warrior has a high number or actions per minute e.é
strong forum
Easiest thing you can check is casts under Warcraft logs
It's a bit inflated because of some spell effects counting, like your weapon enchant proccing or a dhs "consume soul" or spriests apparition spawns counting towards it even the they're not actual actions you do
mighty valley
random halondrus kill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/JjQWBcT6MaPCytn4#fight=4&type=casts
the prot warrior is like 10 above anyone else
strong forum
And pwar should be literally highest on every fight
It's the fastest spec in the game
wraith hemlock
I told him it was faster than even fury or fire now and he was like "nah u shitting me"
sick sentinel
yeah long casts
mighty valley
it goes up as players get better at extending combusts but it still has huge downtimes
wraith hemlock
Prot war feels to me like when you are playing RoR2 and you get the drugs equipment that makes everythging go super fast
mighty valley
compared to us, mashing all the time
wraith hemlock
then you get withdrawal and everything goes slow (when you fuck up)
jagged pier
yer that fury warrior doing mad APM
jagged pier
he had good procs
sick sentinel
^
wraith hemlock
yeah must be nice
sick sentinel
lucky bastard
wraith hemlock
Today we were doing mythic sausage and on the kill pull I didn't get a single DB proc on my frost mage... felt so bad
I love thou how fast paced prot war is
too bad it makes it "easier" to fuck up in dungeons
jagged pier
just link them sense CPM 
restive ice
strong forum
Squeak!
wraith hemlock
just link them sense CPM <:ratge:890357732543168594>
sense cpm?
mighty valley
sense cpm?
any of the player sense's logs, like this one https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Vmn9yQMDZfqRr6Jc#fight=16&type=casts
jagged pier
jagged pier
yes mwahi thats the joke
mighty valley
shh mwahi this is how we convince people we're cool
languid carbon
Do you guys think that Into the Fray > Ravager for 4p, provided you're playing Necro? I have a gut feeling it might help with APM/banner uptime.
languid carbon
Okies, thx for the quick reply!
blazing condor
u still get hella rage gain from rav
wraith hemlock
even without the squeak it has 76 cpm so
jagged pier
what happened to boomer apm
i still have boomer apm dont worry
blazing condor
wraith mulch
Protoss APM go brrrr
Is Prot warrior good to invest time and gold into this season?
restive ice
It's a nice spec to blast your weeklies with 🙃
ionic fern
Is Prot warrior good to invest time and gold into this season?
Has been good in every season.
wraith mulch
Ah, was wondering because it is low on every tier list and people look at that and go nope to anything under A tier
which makes finding groups for content extremely difficult
jagged pier
i havent had an issue getting into groups
🤷
like ever
in any season
teir lists are a sham btw with tuning and stuff we are probably 2nd or 3rd best for m+ now
wraith mulch
Ye
wraith mulch
Probably was worried coming from a DPS spec returning to Tanking
Also is Crit good for Prot?
jagged pier
its not haste
wraith mulch
Isnt haste #1 priority when it comes to Protection Warrior?
Mostly for rage generation abilities and attacks
jagged pier
no strength outweighs any stats
wraith mulch
you get Str from all sources xD (except rings, necks, and some trinkets)
jagged pier
ye
median tulip
Tier > STR > Haste
wraith mulch
Anything other than those 3 thou?
median tulip
in the unlikely event that you have two options with identical stats in STR and Haste, then choose which sims highest for damage
wraith mulch
Crit from what I read improves Parry chance which brings up the amount of Revenge casts, Mastery increases chance to block and attack power, and versatility is versatility. Which is why im wondering
median tulip
The differences are so minor that you'll never be able to tell
Just equip as much Haste as you can cram on without sacrficing tier or Strength and don't overthink things
wraith mulch
Ah
upper spoke
Anyone have a link to the paladin discord?
ocean reef
Anyone have a link to the paladin discord?
Just google wow class discords
And you'll find an icy veins post with all of them
sick sentinel
rest of dungeon is normal
idea is the 2 pulls then big boss pull
wo from the stage get kyrian orb and do that big pull by where the monstrosity paths
wo from that big pull and down to the 3rd kyrian orb then use that on amarth
do rest of dungeon
go back down and do nar'zudah with 3 blight bags to finish off %
sick sentinel
1st goliath on blightbone
2nd goliath on the big yellow pull
3rd on amarth
1 orb in the upstairs room
1 on last boss
2 spears stitchflesh 1 spear blightbone
lust blightbone + last boss
blazing condor
Itd probably work but feels a bit complicated for a 22 but if you got a stack then sure try it
You can usually +2 a NW with a very normal route as well
restive ice
Seems like a lot of backtracking yeah
blazing condor
But yeah i mean go try it
sick sentinel
yeah its more for later on when we push further
i want a route thatll work up there and has been practiced already by us
restive ice
I think if you're orbing narzudah just play marauder pack
sick sentinel
only just starting to push now
restive ice
And don't pull harvester with blightbone
restive ice
Ok wait I need go read back
sick sentinel
you orb so all the little leap things will melt
then its kinda just a 4 target pull
blightbone, 2 vanguards and the harvester
restive ice
Harvester can can die too late and stay in silence puddle
And that's a whole lot of tank dam
Vanguards destroy your tank
sick sentinel
i havent had an issue getting into groups
thats cause youre too good
sick sentinel
ah
restive ice
But seems very unnecessary for a 22
sick sentinel
yeah makes sense
restive ice
It's a lot of coordination
Like that boss pull harvester HAS to die quick
Or else it'll stand casting in a puddle
And it's prob gg
What's your comp btw
I tried those first 2 pulls together only in a 20 tho
But I was on destro and you know how pulls like that go with that spec
sick sentinel
sv, fury, prot pal, sub, hpri
sick sentinel
kk tyty
restive ice
@sick sentinel
warlock infernal for p much every pull
but your comp kinda has no cds
I play with a ret
so we need cds for pulls
your route should usually factor in when people will have cds
like a good rule of thumb imo is that 2mins up every 2 pulls , or every other with a urh in between
but I'm yoinking your route to try
restive ice
🤝
actually you know what
you can maybe spear that boss pull then pull it up the ledge when casters die
playing narzudah is hella cringe
or just skip entire 2nd area and play the big bone boy with the goliath orb pull before 2nd boss
but then if patrol is bad it's real bad
blazing condor
Dorki did a pug route like yours @sick sentinel whe he invised the platform, took orbs, went and grabbed mauraders then did those with narzudah with orb. Then went left, took orbs, big pull with wo > boss
which is a nice way to do it on fortified
cus you dont need orbs on amarth
strange lintel
whats a good mitigation percentage for warriors or what dtps em i looking to have for say a +20
i do 20s as dps but i havent touched em as a tank
blazing condor
Dont think there's a "right" answer for that cus it can depend on a lot of variables but looking at a random DoS 21 i did i had 6,6k DTPS
also depends on dungeon
if it's a lot of blockable stuff then it's gonna be lower vice versa
strange lintel
thats fair. i guess ill just have to jump on the pool and see how bad it goes lol
strange lintel
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/NtFyW8VfK6nqp4Xa/#fight=last&type=damage-taken so i did a 15 mists and i had 70% mitigation and 4.4k dtps
i guess ill work into upping that
i def need more haste
blazing condor
when it comes to mitigation you only really care about your effective blocks hit
in that key you had 56% which is too low
so getting a better SB uptime is gonna help with DTPS
jagged pier
56% 
blazing condor
make sure you use Intervene and charge to cover gaps in Shield Block
make use of your Reprisal legendary
strange lintel
think thats what im using
blazing condor
if you wanna get more value of reprisal you can always run Double Time instead of Rumbling Earth
on your talents
jagged pier
why the fuck is your TC damage so high
dusky sentinel
Guys. Those of you who are doing 10k dps. Are u necro? I only got 2p tier and im at 7k.
jagged pier
u should be doing more than 10k as necro
blazing condor
think thats what im using
you cast intervene like 5 times the entire dungeon. Get a WA to know when its off CD and use it whenever its up
it has too good synergy with reprisal not to use
strange lintel
will do
i need a rend macro to keep rend up as arms ... ill probably gona have to do the same with intervene lol
blazing condor
luckily you only need to know when its actually usable
not care about any real uptime on mobs or whatever
so just press it when u can 
strange lintel
cuz often i cant keep track of outburst
guess i need a bigger icon
is using tc with outburst that bad in big packs
jagged pier
yes
strange lintel
you just want to smack it on shield slam huh
blazing condor
cus you lose out on the rage
yep
SS = rage = revenge + SB/IP/whatever
thunder clap is just wet noodle damage
blazing condor
also press more buttons in general it will net you more of everything cus you get more rage
strange lintel
does shield slam timer stacks if i just pop it twice or im just being big dumb
blazing condor
you had low casts per minute in general
strange lintel
that part is probably barthilas fault. was with a full group there and my ping was l ike 200 - 300
jagged pier
your feedback loop seem completely off and your casts are low, for instance looking at a log of myself from march with 2set and playing kyrian i generate more rage in less time than u
like your SS casts should be higher than your TC casts
and IP should be high with 4 piece
cause u need to be spamming that rage away
lilac bloom
ive been proging on ragelon trying to soak the gravitational bubble...but everytime i use defensive it hits hard. I usee shield wall and sometimes throw everythinh i have... do i use The wall leggo for this? i read ignore pain plus demo shout works well
jagged pier
SW is enough
and u should have it back with by the next orb
u do not need the wall
lilac bloom
3min cd
jagged pier
its not
lilac bloom
is that enough time?
jagged pier
because AM reduces it
and with the amount of rage we have its like a 1 min cd with reprisal
lilac bloom
wats am
jagged pier
anger management
lilac bloom
oh ok
but how come after comming out of the bubble i take huge damage? rl says i need internal and external defence
blazing condor
thx for all the advice
u can do it
jagged pier
I dont really know what your talking about the orb is a one time hit, if u have boss stacks sure your gunna be taking ticking damage
but the orb itself is phyiscal and does very little damage
silk edge
hey, would you say the mainstats part of phial makes it better than sack for m+ eventho i kinda feel sack does more dmg ?
as a 2nd trinket
sick sentinel
Is it a good idea to macro ravager and spear of bastion to both be like normal key press drop at player, and then shift or some other mod cast would be normal selection, still find it difficult to place those reliably
strong forum
Phial is equal to sack in raw dmg on St and wins on 2t+
And overall its better than sack in m+ due to Str vs mastery yes
charred ivy
many ppl play necro as tank?
strong forum
Ya
charred ivy
wich follower should i use= emini?
strong forum
With tier its pretty much the best covenant offensively and defensively
Marileth or Heimir, don't run emeni
charred ivy
kk ty 🙂
wild hemlock
other than the ridiculous spamming. prot warrior 4 pc feels soooo good
tropic linden
Yesterday was a fun night
wild hemlock
LOL
tropic linden
Ppl couldn't match the orbs
craggy pilot
Matching orbs is a normal mechanic? 🤔
craggy pilot
Sad
tropic linden
I did the 1st phase of this fight so many times i can do with eyes closed by now
My 1st banner is lasting 2:10 min on average
gray iris
hey guys I'm thinking about tanking raids. Any tips on how to do raids as a tanks as there are two. Have been doing m+ for a while. Now, I want to give raids a shot. Any addons I should have? I already have dbm
wild hemlock
hey guys I'm thinking about tanking raids. Any tips on how to do raids as a tank...
dbm/big wigs and just slam your buttons
you change off ravager? unless that changed with tier idk
gray iris
I use ravager only
wild hemlock
you dont in raids
gray iris
oh okay.. And should I be the main tank or second one?
Umm I will queue for jailer and see how it goes lol
sick sentinel
how bad is ticking sack of terror for us
grave crane
i thought it was one of our better dps ones, that and phial
civic burrow
Is the best way to train ur rotations just to sit in front of the tanking dummy and see how long u can last?
sick sentinel
i ran a streets 7 last night, other warrior had it drop for him and he said he wasn't sure if it was an upgrade for him, he was after the cloak that dropped
vernal vale
how bad is ticking sack of terror for us
Sack is one of our best damage trinkets
strong forum
oh okay.. And should I be the main tank or second one?
Main or off tank don't exist anymore
Both tanks have the same jobs
The only time this scenario exists if 1 tank wants to tank more often to have more control over the fight from his side or show off
jagged pier
XD
sick sentinel
to me if you say MT like main tank, that is the guy who is always the guy to pull and knows what hes doing better gear etc
jagged pier
yer but that doesnt exist anymore as it literally depends on boss fight and what each tank might have to do in the next 20 seconds
like it changes per boss for my guild anyways
jagged pier
what tank calls nowadays
tropic linden
Is the best way to train ur rotations just to sit in front of the tanking dummy ...
yeah
sick sentinel
i dunno if it was something i did wrong, probably not group correctly, but we did the fire dogs in streets and they kept respawning and i was internally like ".. ? ?" people started arguing in group called others gabage and this and that, finally workd out that i had to atack evenly and swap targets
tropic linden
Not the best
the best is playing
In actual gameplays
But is the best if u have 0 notion of what u should be doing
strong forum
what tank calls nowadays
Chad ones 
vernal vale
i dunno if it was something i did wrong, probably not group correctly, but we di...
Most people don't seem to know Core hounds will revive one another. Always tell dps brains to kill evenly
jagged pier
Chad ones <:xeos:945501697847992341>
more like bitch ones, instead of just of being on mute and blasting music
jagged pier
😂
sick sentinel
dammit didn't save the video again
i hard turn off pc without doing shut down so the game never closes, so outplayed never gets told to stop recording, thus no file for final log in at night
timber slate
Ashen juggernaut👀
New meta?
jagged pier
why would u not run it in tyran weeks?
vernal vale
Ashen juggernaut👀
New meta?
Execute for prot slaps
jagged pier
also these are what i run in raid and i never change anyways
charred ivy
do u always use ravager for m+ or is into fray oke?
jagged pier
always rav
vernal vale
oh okay.. And should I be the main tank or second one?
Take it from someone who just left a guild over main tank syndrome. There's no such thing anymore unless ego is involved.
charred ivy
what kind of haste should i have? i know ilvl > stat but i main fury and dont have so much haste haste
vernal vale
what kind of haste should i have? i know ilvl > stat but i main fury and dont ha...
40% umbuffed.
Also haste is important for fury as well last I knew.
tropic linden
Ty
But go do some heroic dungeons after u have ur rotation down
Cause tank is not like DPS that have a rotation
U need to adapt to each pull and situation
Positioning
Etc
civic burrow
Cause tank is not like DPS that have a rotation
I appreciate it but all at the same time I pretty high lvl and feel like they won't do enough damage to make me pop alot of stuff is that still OK?
vernal vale
not as mucho. it make me sim less to swap into haste
Guide might be out of date but this is what wowhead says for fury.
sick sentinel
what kind of haste should i have? i know ilvl > stat but i main fury and dont ha...
30-40% favoring closer to 40% if possible
tropic linden
Just sim as fury
tropic linden
Yeah, that is a guideline
Not a rule
If u just follow this u won't be that much behind someone that sims every vault and end of dungeon
charred ivy
but then with my gear i end up with low haste for prot i guess. can get like 26%
sick sentinel
you'd want to get it to a base of above 30% to start i'd say
strong forum
Just as much as you can get without dropping ilvl on str pieces
It's literally that simple
charred ivy
makes sense y can swap some rings then
dawn canyon
Enchants/sockets can also help
strong forum
With ring + neck alone you can easily get 25%+ haste
charred ivy
yeah i swap enchants also 😛
median tulip
oh okay.. And should I be the main tank or second one?
There's no meaningful difference between the two tanks nowadays. I usually let my pally cotank go first because his burst aggro generation is better than mine, which I will simply benefit from via taunt
sick sentinel
you will notice it hard core if you get some giga haste buff
solid flicker
whats the ideal stats on an item then, big haste bit of vers?
sick sentinel
versa if you feel weak (survivability), crit if you want to feel stronger (dps)
strong forum
You want a bit of everything, exclusively having haste/vers on every slot isn't good either
But ideal scenario is big haste, mostly vers, then sprinkle in the rest
For defensive play
solid flicker
yeah im just random key tanker offspec so defensive is good xd
strong forum
98% of your survival comes from playing well
sick sentinel
mastery generally speaking never want to stack
strong forum
Not from gear
If you suck you'll die even if you have 286 ilvl and absolutely perfect stats
strong forum
One of my favs
sick sentinel
strong forum
Looks good
hardy flare
and a new weapon with haste :c my weapon has krit / mastery :C
strong forum
Happens
The only thing that matters on weapon and shield is ilvl
Rest comes later
median tulip
Honestly don't overthink stats beyond Haste. You will almost never have any actual choices beyond "does this have more Haste" anyway
hardy flare
yeah still hoping for sausage weapon and skolex shild 😄
charred ivy
i suck at tank so need compensate 😉 xD
hardy flare
Honestly don't overthink stats beyond Haste. You will almost never have any actu...
yeah but i prefer haste on weapon instead of no haste on weapon on same ilvl 😄
strong forum
Then git gud
timber slate
Furry spotted
hardy flare
Furry spotted<:xeos:945501697847992341>
maybe im a furry maybe im a dog but y´ll never know
strong forum
dawn canyon
No woof for sense?
sweet summit
sense is not a dog
boreal jasper
Woof?
sweet summit
dawn canyon
sense is not a dog
I confused sense and meano
hardy flare
would u take 272 haste mastery shild over 265 haste vers shild ?
boreal jasper
Protection, is this the spec you will be doing your 8 weekly keys on Erga?
strong forum
Ilvl is the only thing that matters
strong forum
Especially on shield
hardy flare
ilvl is king on shields
thanks so lords shild it is
strong forum
4x especially on shield
hardy flare
wich enchant on cloack ?
dawn canyon
Any movespeed cloak enjoyers?
boreal jasper
Love leech
timber slate
Avoidance
hardy flare
any recommendation for anger management and heavy repercussions ? all the time people say take heavy rep for wf keys only but what i a wf key XD
timber slate
maybe im a furry maybe im a dog but y´ll never know
hardy flare
ill aim for +22 - 24
sweet summit
AM is the goat
timber slate
AM because you can spam avatar
hardy flare
alright thanks 🙂
primal cape
opinion with 4p + EFA?
primal cape
soa trinket
minor helm
timber slate
sick sentinel
i have a 242 one of those from 9.1.5
dawn canyon
any recommendation for anger management and heavy repercussions ? all the time ...
Wf keys is like 27+ for reference
World first timed 2? fort/tyra key of that Dungeon
civic burrow
do this ok for stats any recomendations on gear sockets or anything really im willing to take any advice
dawn canyon
Haste Socket
Enchant 2nd Ring
Tmog boots and ur good
Haste could be higher though
civic burrow
i just made them on it
crystal iris
what in the actual hell
strong forum
Is trash
dawn canyon
civic torrent
incredibly incredibly bad
lofty widget
do this ok for stats any recomendations on gear sockets or anything really im wi...
looks like vers heavy neck, would replace that with high haste
lyric geode
Guys stop gaslighting him, his haste/versa stats are good given his low ilvl.
urban portal
Swarm is funny
dawn canyon
Guys stop gaslighting him, his haste/versa stats are good given his low ilvl.
Haste is low
crystal iris
why would I ever want to do 28k DPS every 3 minutes instead of running OPC or a defensive
urban portal
It's a full heal with spear macro
dawn canyon
He has huge vers though
lyric geode
Still, haste is good, he is 258 ilvl.
lofty widget
he asked for ways to improve his gear, getting a haste heavy neck would improve his gear
and what phil said as well
dawn canyon
Still, haste is good, he is 258 ilvl.
People had 30+% with 252 in 9.1
lyric geode
Imagine, I am 273 ilvl with 34%
crystal iris
People had 30+% with 252 in 9.1
at that ilvl this patch though you just grab highest ilvl gear
lyric geode
Still, 40% is the haste we shall have max.
crystal iris
and worry aout stats later, is what you guys always tell me
lyric geode
I prefer to have a little bit of versa, than haste in high kets.
crystal iris
ilvl unless you drop below like 18% haste that will just feel bad
lyric geode
Keys.
lofty widget
I prefer to have a little bit of versa, than haste in high kets.
meh
ocean yoke
cool kids stack crit
lofty widget
Even for necks, more>better unless it's mastery
i'd sack 13 ilvls on a neck if i could get high haste
urban portal
Not horrible but not that great defensively
Vers gets you 1% Dr for every 80 points
civic burrow
better?
lyric geode
In what haste% you are GCD
dawn canyon
Huge!
ocean yoke
yeah looks all good
lyric geode
Vers gets you 1% Dr for every 80 points
Versa increase your IP pool. Which is useful in heavy magic/bleed scenarios.
civic burrow
u guys r great thank u
lofty widget
besides, its so minor it doesnt matter
lyric geode
IP scales with versa.
lofty widget
oh youre right
dawn canyon
Vers is good but haste is king
urban portal
So it's the same
dawn canyon
lyric geode
But mastery is shit.
lyric geode
And mastery is 35 points per % of AP
The difference is like discipline in eu4.
ocean yoke
The difference is like discipline in eu4.
ahh a fellow big brain eu4 player
lyric geode
Discipline=versatility
urban portal
If you could slam all your stats in haste you do it
lyric geode
It is hard to explain
urban portal
The only time you need vers in high keys is when you are literally dying in shield block
urban portal
Not saying it isn't
lyric geode
Way better than you imagine*
lofty widget
it's like this. haste>>>vers>=crit>mastery
lyric geode
As a modifier stack player, let me explain.
urban portal
But you don't just take melee hits
urban portal
Me too
lyric geode
***""
Lets say you take 100 damage.
And IP gives you 10 shield.
If you have 10% versa.
You would take 95 damage. But also your IP would increase 20%.
It would go to 11**"
I am writing while I am shitting FFS.
urban portal
Yes I understand that
lyric geode
This shield you get, would also in a sense have its shield reduced by 5% while provide by 10% more.
urban portal
And I don't think anyone would disagree that vers is better
But to feelycraft your marginal gains in vers/crit is much worse than slamming ilvls and haste
lyric geode
The damage you would take on the shield would decrease by 5% while the shield pool would increase by 10%
While your shield if you have mastery would increase by 13-15%
lyric geode
ahh a fellow big brain eu4 player
In a sense 5% discipline>>>> 10% ICA
ocean yoke
well yeah disc is best stat outside of tactics
urban portal
We literally only looked at attack power
lyric geode
Since we can maintain shield block, mastery as value gets decreased
lofty widget
increased* more SB uptime=more crit blocks=more value
sick sentinel
well, increased critical block chance, but i wont go down that rabbit hole again
urban portal
Since we can maintain shield block, mastery as value gets decreased
The crit block is huge
It's so absurdly cheap
But obviously that only gets good at higher mastery
And vers is our best stat vs magic damage
sick sentinel
if i can take a 20k hit and reduce it to 2k, thats the fantasy for me, or part of it anyway
urban portal
I can see that
urban portal
That's the chance
lyric geode
Yes
urban portal
The amount blocked is 2x
168/7.2 is like 21/22 per %
Which is pretty cheap
To double our block value
lyric geode
I know, I dont know how much % it has to happen the critical block. Is it tied to mastery? Or is it just a fixed number
urban portal
The block value is doubling
lofty widget
that's literally our mastery
urban portal
Should be on tank notes
lyric geode
that's literally our mastery
Is it tied to mastery?
sick sentinel
yes, if you shield says 1000, it now blocks for 2000 if it critical blocks
thats how that works
urban portal
He's saying if the crit block value is tied or just crit block chance
lofty widget
the value is based on how hard you got hit?
lyric geode
yes, if you shield says 1000, it now blocks for 2000 if it critical blocks
I dont mean the VALUE of the shield block. Jes
lofty widget
crit block % chance is just your mastery
lyric geode
I mean HOW much CHANCE it may happen
sick sentinel
the 19% is the chance that the critical block will occur on block. so thats 1 in 5 attacks
lyric geode
I am asking, IS the chance of that happening from the tooltip of shield block connected with the value of mastery? OR is the chance of this happening a fixed.
urban portal
I just said that 3 times
lofty widget
I am asking, IS the chance of that happening from the tooltip of shield block co...
getting more mastery=higher chance to crit block
lyric geode
Ok
lofty widget
like with banner up for me, every other melee is crit blocked (on avg)
sick sentinel
you don't make your block size bigger by increasing mastery, you increase passive chance to block with SB down and critical blocks chance %
lofty widget
you don't make your block size bigger by increasing mastery, you increase passiv...
yes
sick sentinel
your block always stays same size unless you can do something to increase block which is tricky without having str bonus or shield
lofty widget
no its tied to your shield
urban portal
Strength gives armor
lyric geode
Yy i got confused
Because it increases the block chance of even matched
while i was 200 ilvl
urban portal
Because it gets nerfed every patch
lyric geode
Strength gives armor
No,
lyric geode
It doesnt, it gives parry only and increases IP
sick sentinel
my bad i was spreading fake news
urban portal
It's literally in the spell book man
lyric geode
Haha soz
lofty widget
It doesnt, it gives parry only and increases IP
urban portal
Parry is crit
lyric geode
Parry is crit
It increases parry your strength
urban portal
It does not
lyric geode
Strenght increases your parry
urban portal
Where does it say that
lyric geode
urban portal
Unequip a piece of non crit gear and see if it changes
lyric geode
Protection warrior lessons shall be named
sick sentinel
lyric geode
also, critical gives parry
urban portal
lyric geode
Excel is your best friend
Its wrong. I have to calculate the % value of mastery/versa
blazing condor
Woof
dawn canyon
Helluw dogman
chilly brook
It doesnt, it gives parry only and increases IP
It absolutely does, look at your Vangaurd passive
lyric geode
It absolutely does, look at your Vangaurd passive
Yy ,people mention it too
urban portal
10% mastery is a lot cheaper than 10% vers
lime urchin
Wait, stats matter?
chilly brook
10% vers is going to be double what mastery is going to be tbh
urban portal
yeah
chilly brook
in terms of numerical vlaue
chilly brook
like obviously not exactly double
chilly brook
but you're going to have to stack a considerable amount more vers to get the same benefit
just use ilvl
@lyric geode
Like stop trying to do weirdness here
ilvl>haste>rest of the stats
sick sentinel
you also have DRs and random buffs to account for, not including major CDs and barriers etc like IP SW some priest bubble or the take less damage external they do
urban portal
rest of our stats suck equally
thats it
end of story
vers sucks less vs magic damage
lime urchin
There is a bigger margin to gain profit in pressing buttons in a good order and per minute, instead of looking at stats!
chilly brook
Excel is your best friend
what exactly is the point of this?
urban portal
minmaxing the 2nd worst tank in the game
sick sentinel
crit is good for us in keys because tons of mobs attacking us and we have a high parry due to crit, this allows revenge to proc for free more often, and then we can SS more
chilly brook
If you gave me logs I would 100% be able to tell you something that's far more impactful than adjusting stats
urban portal
crit is good for us in keys because tons of mobs attacking us and we have a high...
revenge procs are on ppm
doesnt matter
chilly brook
Because I can already tell you if you're focusing on stats, you're already playing wrong
urban portal
more parry doesnt mean more revenges
sick sentinel
there is something about a parrry can cause revenge reset though
urban portal
yes
but its on a ppm
as long as you are parrying reasonable amounts
like 10% ish or so
you are at the cap
sick sentinel
parry is still a nice DR/avoid when it happens, just negates attack basically
free win more
grave crane
It’s also based on crit so more dam is also nice
chilly brook
crit is good for us in keys because tons of mobs attacking us and we have a high...
crit is good in keys because it makes you do big dam
urban portal
yall dont know the crit mastery build
chilly brook
no more no less
grave crane
100% block from SB
sick sentinel
if no sb bound, all can go into revenge
ocean yoke
hitting buttons is lame anyway
grave crane
I only hit shield block so my shield slams hit harder
sick sentinel
shield rests on back and you should never get hit in back anyway but if its on back why not it can block for 33%/50%
hard vessel
Best DR is pressing buttons, kicking casts, using stuns, have a good grp, use some haste gear and be happy, ah and always eq high ilvl shield
sick sentinel
storm bolt damage not even half of minium to make 4 digits and competes with doubletime, BIS if it wasn't a mechanic thing
urban portal
doesnt need to
it should be baseline tho?
since dks get asphyxiate
and pally gets hoj
tho dh doesnt get fel eruption
hard vessel
So we should have bubble right too?
sick sentinel
damage just feels really low
sick sentinel
and if you target mob in dungeon has been stun DR'd to death, this equates to a 420 dmg button on 20s ish cd, literal what the tooltip dmg read for me for a while
urban portal
then you dont press it
not that hard
why are you storm bolting a DRed mob
not like you have empty globals
sick sentinel
its fortified and sanguine, no idea
hard vessel
Why would you take storm bolt over charge talent anytime?
urban portal
so you dont die to ranged casts
chilly brook
Why would you take storm bolt over charge talent anytime?
stuns are valuable
depends on comp
and dungeon
hard vessel
No
hard vessel
Charge reprisal
sick sentinel
BFA, charge wasn't as huge as it is to us now
chilly brook
I'm aware of reprisal
hard vessel
It's not like we have fear and aoe stun
ocean yoke
you can absolutely run storm bolt without issue if you dont have many stuns
hard vessel
So you wanna go with what classes to need storm bolt? 😂
ocean yoke
i mean depends whos on to run with
chilly brook
There's some cursed groups I've been in
sick sentinel
i am cow man so i have cow stun i can't remember if we had a 3rd stun in BFA or not, but i also ran with a DK and a paladin lots and paladin famous for HoJ, dk sort of with the darthvader thingy
i'd run into the cc DR that way
chilly brook
Do I generally talent into it? No
sick sentinel
or, also, it lasts up to 1 minute or some shit before you can attempt to do it after applying it 3 times i think
urban portal
there are more than 1 mobs you can stun yogi
hard vessel
Ye you can talent into it to carry people who can't play but that's the only reason
sick sentinel
effect fizzles i mean
i always told people in keys in BFA when it was fort spec for AOE and tyranical spec for ST if possible
made trash vs boss easier cover our weaknesses
sick sentinel
blargh RE more like REEEEEE
strong forum
😎
ocean yoke
remember if you dont take never surrender you are, by default, surrendering
hard vessel
Remember don't take surv hunter to pug keys, they can't read
ocean yoke
but damn can they zug zug some aoe
hard vessel
And kick very body who is not writing like 1 sentence to the start before key starts
*strat
urban portal
damn someone did 25 with seismic
wait
he ran BV with seismic
that cant be right
lyric geode
BV?
urban portal
booming voice
urban portal
logs
strong forum
That's just dumb af then
urban portal
i was 4funning it on subcreation
strong forum
urban portal
on logs
cuz im working
why do data analysis for work when you can do data analysis for prot warrior
lyric geode
30 min on gambit, 45 on streets
lyric geode
approx, i dont remember exact
strong forum
And it's not timed
urban portal
yeah thought so
urban portal
brutal vit
strong forum
Very big thonk