protection

[vernal vale]

Err highmaul

Most stopped playing it. I kept at it and pushed it.

[chrome falcon]

yeah i remember that, it made our glad dps quit the game lol

[frosty ridge]

I prefer prot, wasn't digging glad back then :)

[chrome falcon]

it was just so fucking stupid that i had to pass tank trinkets to a dps

hated that

[vernal vale]

90CPM to do good dps or you just didn't do numbers

[frosty ridge]

I remember getting Gorefiend crit trinket. that was a happy moment

[vernal vale]

There are logs of me beating fully geared fury and arms warriors on archimonde

[ruby locust]

Dh is just a blood dk with less dmg and has flashy weeks ( sorry for late response I’m at work)

[vernal vale]

Gladiator dps had a ridiculously hard pace and so it was considered bad because reaching the breakpoints in CPM to put out numbers was insane.

[ruby locust]

Now dps have to pass dps trinkets to us

[dawn canyon]

Idk 90 cpm sounds hella fun

[vernal vale]

Most fun I've ever had

[latent pier]

what was really fun was pvping with it because nobody knew how to deal with you

you just kinda bowled over people

[vernal vale]

Yeah

[dawn canyon]

Still works for fury

[vernal vale]

Durable enough to not die to cds and had enough damage to slap

[dawn canyon]

4p and Banner

Zug em over

[latent pier]

I'm probably making my war orc and I'm gonna try necro fury 2v2 lol

[dawn canyon]

Killing through defensives truly is blessef

Oh you just Pressed astral Shift Mr shaman

[latent pier]

It's even dumber than my warlock because they can't shut it down

[dawn canyon]

Well gimme ur link and ascsnd too

[latent pier]

reckless abandon is so dumb

[dawn canyon]

And u still die

[dawn canyon]

Warlock is hands down the worst thing to face

I fucking despise them :)

[latent pier]

imagine if the kyrian hunter thing worked for allies.

oh I know but I'm a lock main and it's a lot easier to shut down their burst

[chrome falcon]

warlock tilts my tits off

it's so annoying

[ruby locust]

Void elf life aka the even more edgy blood elf cause your guilds alliance

[latent pier]

we're op little shits r/n

:)

try a kyrian lock in bgs and you're basically a death god.

like a less lame jailer

[dawn canyon]

I love eating 20 bolts in 5 seconds

[latent pier]

havoc entire team, if one of them dies you get a full shard refill and your bolts hit for 60k

:)

[dawn canyon]

Jk i die to 4th

[vernal vale]

I miss spell reflecting a warlock to its death.

Doesn't seem to happen anymore

[latent pier]

you still can if they do the double bolt thing to your reflect

[vernal vale]

Then again I barely pvp now lol

[latent pier]

I don't care for arenas r/n but I fuck around with low cr/bgs.

I basically zugzugged my way to 1500 while drunk last night out of boredom without the fury siegebreaker lego lol

[vernal vale]

Ha, that's hilarious

I used to do 2s and bgs with a priest friend. Was tons of fun.

[mighty valley]

i'm happy and sad that the damekage guild saga is over

would've been such a beautiful story if you somehow forced them all through a character growth arc

but it wasn't truly possible

[ruby locust]

Not everything can be a anime sadly

[mighty valley]

anyway enjoy freedom, those people sounded miserable

the absolute worst case of temporarily embarrassed mythic raiders

[ruby locust]

What was your off tank who couldn’t keep threat off you?

[mighty valley]

he was tanking with a paladin who the guild insisted was the "main tank" because of the meta

despite the paladin doing absolutely no damage

and also not talking at all

[frosty ridge]

prime example how "meta" trickles down to every guild, who don't even understand why it's meta in the first place

[mellow bridge]

Main tank in 2k22

FeelsWeirdMan

[mighty valley]

it's a really bad setup when some of the guild is close friends with wide skill + ambition gaps

and then interacting with some outside players

if you're all friends and cool and egoless you can work around your setup

but if you're protecting your quite bad friend from criticism and trying to build your entire strat around them??? nightmare

[golden pollen]

That's most non CE guild

[mighty valley]

there's a lot of low key community guilds that just plod through heroic and don't implode

[ruby locust]

That’s just to much I hate the idea of meta I know it’s mindset is always going to be there but it’s annoying none the less

[mighty valley]

whenever people i know start getting weird about meta i'm just like

[frosty ridge]

yeah, the key to that is everyone has the same ambitions

[mighty valley]

i've been the consensus worst tank spec the entire expansion and you haven't heard me complain

so. stop

[woeful harbor]

necro or kyrian ?

[ruby locust]

Yeah I know i find it difficult to get into keys like I said I’ve only mained prot about 5 to 6 weeks but never been a meta player myself

[ruby locust]

Necro after 4 set or just always play necro like a big dick boi does

[mighty valley]

kyrian easier to start + has good burst threat. necro more powerful overall but harder to play well

[vernal vale]

Necro is more durable as well.

[ruby locust]

^

[upper spoke]

what talents in M+ is default w/ 4p & double legendary (reprisal)? Do we switch to AM?

[vernal vale]

Should be AM anyways in reality.

Only real difference is ravager in m+ instead of ITF

[chrome falcon]

you should have been AM since 9.1 so if you aren't already then yes definitely

[opaque hearth]

should I go necro for my raid tonight? I only have 2 piece set right now though

[chrome falcon]

yeah

[timber slate]

[woven lance]

What makes necro tankier?

[chrome falcon]

More str = more armour, bigger IP

Also way more rage

[vernal vale]

Lots of free mastery from banner

[chrome falcon]

Mastery doesn’t hurt but 22% str is fucking bonkers

[vernal vale]

Yeah, its insane to see banner boosted strength.

Add strength potions to that and its just stupid

[chrome falcon]

Yeah my faulty countermeasure is doing like 3.8k every time it procs not counting crits it’s fucked up

[blazing saffron]

Is there a intervene at closest friendly macro for puggin keys and shit when i feel like being braindead?

[graceful kite]

Smth like
/targetfriend
/cast intervene
/targetlasttarget

[blazing saffron]

thanks daddio

[upper spoke]

shoot i'd have to login my prot to see what im using. i think i just pulled wowhead's build

[sacred timber]

I hate fortified

[mighty egret]

fort + enrage you mean

[sacred timber]

groups have been dealing 0 damage this week, assuming it is from explosives but still

[group] had 7 deaths in my last run and all of them were from standing in swirlies

missed timer by 10 seconds ;-;

I dont even have an issue with the damage intake

[vernal vale]

I dpsed a gambit +17 this week and the entire group helped with orbs. All our damage was 10k overall at the end.

In a +16 necrotic wake where I was the one with a majority of the kills my dps struggled to be above 8k

Explosives definitely hinder some dps.

[sacred timber]

Warr and healer did the most orbs ;-;

[upper spoke]

With 4p and reprisal, in M+ I run 3,1,1,2,2,2,3,2: Devastator, Double time, best served cold, bounding stride, indomitable, ravager and heavy repercussions

What is the recommended build? 265 ilvl

My M+ parses are high 80s & occasional low 90

[sacred timber]

Devastator, Double Time, Booming or BSC, Crackling, Indomitable, Ravager, Anger Managment for M+ at least

M+ parses don't matter

they are based off key level

[upper spoke]

oh yeah those are pugs of 15 to 16 keys. one 17 is the highest ive completed in time

[sacred timber]

I've done a +21 with that build, but other people might know more than me

I'm not the best prot warrior

[upper spoke]

so 100% swap Heavy repercussions for AM?

im far from it

[sacred timber]

1000%

[upper spoke]

ok thanks. ill try it tonight

[sacred timber]

AM is insane with necro

[upper spoke]

oh im kyrian

[sacred timber]

_>

[upper spoke]

i pug, so idk if i could efficiently use banner. at least that's what ive read

what do you think

[sacred timber]

For example, in a 31 minute key I casted avatar 45 times

[upper spoke]

with kyrian is am still insane? in legion Iused am

bfa i dont remember

[sacred timber]

so I had avatar up for 15 minutes

necro is best for prot warrior

If you keep banner up for a while it can generate over 300 rage in one cast

[cinder nova]

druid decided I'm dying because I'm bad while I outheal him and he's doing 3K DPS

zzzz

What is with these healers

[vernal vale]

Even as kyrian go AM

[sacred timber]

Healers have been hit or miss lately

at least for me

[vernal rain]

besides blood splattered scale & SOD trinkets, which trinket would you suggest for protwarrior mythic +?

[vernal vale]

Codex is the only other defensive one that isn't really bad.

[vernal vale]

I've had multiple healers try to heal me like I'm a dk

0 heals incoming then they ask why I didn't do anything.

[sacred timber]

Warrior I feel like needs pretty constant heals compared to other classes

but when we have cds we take like 0 damage

[vernal rain]

TY

[upper spoke]

I used to like AM with booming voice. Maybe ill drop last served cold ...

but that was a previous expansion

[sacred timber]

booming gives rage, that is why I like it

[vernal vale]

Most of the time I only feel like I'm dropping because magic damage.

[cinder nova]

Point of BV is rage, yeah. Just banner fodder and dam

[sacred timber]

also big burst on pull

[sacred timber]

shivers in raging wicked bolts

[vernal vale]

I believe BSC is better damage in dungeons BV is better for bosses and the rage.

[vernal vale]

Honestly I use phial, and Aegis.

[urban portal]

we take objectively the least melee damage out of any tank

we just recover health the slowest

[vernal vale]

^

[urban portal]

so player skill matters the most

[vernal vale]

3% or whatever per ignore pain isn't that much until you are using a crapload of them.

[vernal rain]

yeah i didnt realize codex doesnt have strength. not sure if its worth all that stam

[vernal vale]

Codex preforms better the more difficult content you do.

[sacred timber]

I wish I had a 252 aegis

I have been rocking 239 aegis and 246 OWS in +20s

and I dont think that will change

[vernal vale]

I got mine in a pug. The tanks of the group where jelous when I got mine.

[sacred timber]

it is a trink from the 9 right?

[vernal vale]

Yup

[sacred timber]

that shit was ez on mythic

my guild just never farmed it

we killed once and moved on

[vernal vale]

My guild only killed sylv a few times and I got mine from a pug before that.

[urban portal]

couldve pugged it

[vernal vale]

Then ibstarted pugging mythic runs.

[urban portal]

and yeah codex is better the harder the content is

best on blood dks

since they dont mitigate shit

[vernal vale]

It's also has better value in some dungeons over the others based on the damage profiles.

Magic, large nukes etc

[sacred timber]

what boss does codex drop off of?

[mighty egret]

drops from streets

i think

[vernal vale]

Or gambit

Has to be streets its on the same half as ticking sack

[sturdy sable]

Its Streets

[sacred timber]

ahhh, so there is a chance I get one in vault.

[upper spoke]

i got 278 codex from vault. But I admittedly took it over a 278 shield. Probably a bad choice

[vernal vale]

Top priorities, shield>weapon>trinkets>tier>jewlwery>other

At least in my opinion.

[upper spoke]

i was afraid so

[vernal vale]

At this point we can push 278 tier through creation catalyst so that might change up priority

Tier probably above trinkets if you don't have 4p yet

[mighty valley]

There are more shields than codexes in the loot table so not unforgivable

[blazing condor]

is codex still randomly pulling?

[mighty valley]

you're randomly pulling me

[blazing condor]

i got that brodex

[low kindle]

it is, but i think you need to have the necro stagger soulbind for it

[ocean reef]

I assume it still works the way it used to, where if you end up targeting a mob even though it's far away, it'll damage that target instead of whoever hit you

At least that's how I concluded it ninja pulled back when Taz released

^ This was also as Kyrian

[vocal geode]

yes targeting a mob that is even out of combat will make codex damage it (if codex is active)

you can also kill explosives with it

[jagged pier]

who the fuck kills explosives as a tank, its a healer job

[ionic fern]

^

I sometimes Heroic Throw

But that's about it.

OUTBURST SS PROC that explosive.

[jagged pier]

[uncut notch]

Oh boys, noticed something wierd on rygelon - Fleshcraft deflects the corrupted wounds dot.

[jagged pier]

no

it just mitigates all the damage

with SB and IP etc

so u dont get the dots

thats how the mechanic works

monks for instance can just do it with CB

[uncut notch]

I didn’t put that much thought into it, just noticed I received zero stacks while fc was up.

Which, on normal was at least 30-40 seconds

[wheat shadow]

Ayo, question

Do dungeon bosses parry/dodge? Or is it just raid bosses now

[strong forum]

Only raid bosses

In m+ nothing dodges or parries unless it's a mechanic of the boss itself

[jagged pier]

can we tell dps that cause they always have to be behind for some reason

[wheat shadow]

Had DPS pipe up at me yesterday on SD 2nd boss to leave space for them behind the boss

[strong forum]

Just a dumb dps

[wheat shadow]

And for the life of me I could not remember a single parry on dungeon bosses

Cheers for clearing that up

[jagged pier]

well if its a rogue

they still have back stuff right

but apart from that

[uncut notch]

Yeah, and part of their rotation requires teleporting behind stuff

So if you’re leaving no space you’re kind of fucking them a bit

[wheat shadow]

It's a surv hunter

[topaz field]

well there is quite some frontals in m+ makes sense to stay behind mobs^^

[uncut notch]

Oh, then nah

[ionic fern]

I also had a fun experience with a random pug warrior yesterday.
1)Die to avoidable mechanics
2)Charge in when i'm just LoS pulling enemies to group up and then blame me after they die
3)Yell at everyone else being bad and not interrupting/killing explosives while details show them being the lowest
4)Lose to the tank in overall DPS while still yelling at other people.

Good times.

[dawn canyon]

15?

[jagged pier]

then he dumb

[dawn canyon]

Average 15 aint very good

[ionic fern]

It was more or less a smooth run tbh..except for that one guy just raging at everything.

😂

[jagged pier]

sounds like a 15, i mean u saw me competing with dps in 19s 😂

[sweet summit]

last boss HoA parries :)

[ionic fern]

? 👀
They shouldn't.

[jagged pier]

yer he shouldnt

[sweet summit]

he's level 63

[ionic fern]

Oo, really?

[sweet summit]

so he does

[jagged pier]

:noted:

[sweet summit]

yeah

[ionic fern]

I never checked his lvl.

😂

[sweet summit]

very epic (not epic)

[dawn canyon]

That's some classic era bs

[jagged pier]

tanking him from the back then

[dawn canyon]

Permaturn him

[sweet summit]

it's the only one i'm aware of that does this xpac

[dawn canyon]

Try snipe dps with frontal

[wheat shadow]

That's some really niche shit

[uncut notch]

like a rotisserie chicken

[sweet summit]

if their level is ?? (63) they parry

[dawn canyon]

Ye it's +2 for currently level and their level shows Orange or Red in tbc classic

Which probably indicates parry

But idk yet since im level 13

[topaz field]

its true last boss in hoa parries fucking jinxes my ww opener if he likes to

[sweet summit]

stand behind him 4head

[dawn canyon]

Parry warbreaker

[sweet summit]

[wheat shadow]

So the rule is that if it's 3 levels above (i.e ??), they parry

[sweet summit]

ye

[wheat shadow]

And there's no distinction between dungeon and raid bosses in that regard? Since all raid bosses are ?? anyway, but some dungeon bosses can be ??

[sweet summit]

ye

[wheat shadow]

Okay thanks

[sweet summit]

[sick sentinel]

Ok really dumb question but I’m new to warrior - when you press spell reflect is the a window when it is ‘up’? I know obviously you can only reflect one spell with it but say I press it, will it reflect a spell that hits me@say 4 seconds after I’ve pressed it? Or will it drop off

[ionic fern]

I'm confused.
Some abilities are reflectable, some aren't.
It will Reflect the first reflectable ability that is cast at you during the 5s window it is up.

Otherwise it will just provide the magic DR.

If something gets reflected before the 5s is up it drops instantly, otherwise it lasts for 5s and then drops.

[sweet summit]

any spell that is reflectable and has finished the cast while spell reflect is active will be reflected/deflected

so you can't use it after a spell is already mid air to reflect it, but you will get the damage reduction for it

[sick sentinel]

Ok thanks yes I worded that a bit weirdly but you answered my question there is a 5 second window where it is up!

[graceful kite]

If you have a spell reflection buff it's up

[pallid musk]

Mwahi, do you still play the game ?

Have tried play NL protection?

Its petty strong

[dawn canyon]

NL is the new hotness most people have adopted

Yeah

[strong forum]

Funny that now that NL is meta Julor quit the game

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

I'm still hovering around, jeah

Not doing anything serious tho.

And yes, i have tried NL Prot.

[jagged pier]

i miss skyhold weeklies

[ionic fern]

Same.

They should be stupid easy now

Self heals for days

Not that they were hard before.

[blazing condor]

[naive panther]

Tried seismic leggo in m+ took triple potency and tc talents. Was too hard to keep banner up. Tc critting for 20k though. Damage was higher overall but kind of lacking. Need to try similar with ravager.

[ionic fern]

So many questionable things.

Seismic = obviously higher damage.

[woven lance]

Is charge on or off the GCD?

[sweet summit]

off

shares a 1(?) sec gcd/icd with itself (if double time talented) and intervene though

[strong forum]

When you're playing seismic it's ultra illegal to use outburst on TC actually

And even worse to play unstoppable force

Cuz revenge already by nature hits 40% harder than TC, then equip seismic and 1 revenge cast does more than twice the dmg of TC

Using the rage from an outburst SS will net you 2 revenge casts, which will both combined deal pretty much more than twice as much as an outburst TC

[sage yacht]

[strong forum]

Unstoppable force makes it so you just generate less rage overall and reduce the amount of revenge casts you can put out over a dungeon, especially during avatar

So it's just a massive dps loss more than it already is without playing seismic

[timber slate]

So the TC conduit is a meme?

[sweet summit]

it does give you more damage, but it is not a lot

[median tulip]

Th 3rd Potency Conduit choice is not really impactful either way

[timber slate]

Yeah we dont have alot of options
Using banner ,the one that gives some extra % strength (dont remember the name) and show of force

[sweet summit]

VR is huge

[median tulip]

Veteran's Repute (% STR while banner is up) and Adaptive Armour Fragment % STR after being healed)

Yeah, VR is balanced around it being up for 15-20s out of a 2 minute CD, so played well it's very powerful for us

Whereas AAF has a 50% uptime

[timber slate]

Banner is pog
Managed to keep it for full uptime during a boss fight (in a key)

Nice

Just recently hop back on warrior like 2 days ago haha
Alot to improve 😜

Playing brew but its one of the most forgiving tank imo

You sit there and never dir

Die

[lyric geode]

I play protection, i press 100 buttons just not to die. Brewmaster sits tight his ass.

[naive panther]

Thanks @strong forum yeah I was originally going to try with two potency and ravager, but made that change last minute to see. I'll give it a go again later since can't keep banner up playing tc heavy anyways.

[lyric geode]

Please, give us something to mitigate magic damage. Getting clapped by bolts is something annoying.

Or make a legendary that spell reflects every cast for its duration

I am not asking much.

Just nerf Bdks and be done with it.

Exactly

[pallid musk]

Happy you still around in a corner. Been more on DK but pwarr migitution is much better

[lyric geode]

Nerf 4 pc set, nerf jailer's weapon.

BURN EVERYTHING TO THE GROUND

[sweet summit]

don't nerf my weapon

[lyric geode]

Imagine, doing that much of damage with just jailer's weapon.

It definitely needs nerf. I am not overreacting

Imagine playing protection warrior without a shield

Kewk

Exactly. Why bother shield slan

[sweet summit]

[lyric geode]

Make a legendary shield that reduces damage by 99% just to make protection warrior somewhat viable.

[covert helm]

[lyric geode]

Am I bad?

[covert helm]

Well I am at least, probably explains why I'm dying tanking Litium HC

[woven lance]

Prot with 4piece and the class changes from a few weeks ago should be much better at dealing with magic damage, no?

[lyric geode]

Hahahaha hahahaha. You are funny dude

[woven lance]

Infinite ignore pains
Avatar DR
Spell reflect 20 sec cd

[timber slate]

Banner Cd reduction from spending rage👀

[lofty widget]

it's true though

[lyric geode]

The second pack on DoS right before the Hakkar, how you manage it?

With 9 casters?

And the shadowcore cast?

[lofty widget]

reflect/kick shadowcore

stuns on scribes

[lyric geode]

After 5 sec into the fight?

[strong forum]

Lithium Battery is literally the boss where prot takes literally 0 dmg

[covert helm]

Gotta git gud ig

[jagged pier]

how the fuck u dying on lithium battery heroic

[covert helm]

And, btw, what soulbind do you use for Prot if Mika is already taken for Fury? Been using Pela as don't wanna swap conduits

[jagged pier]

u dont play kyrian

[covert helm]

3x tank smash when I was supposed to take 1

[jagged pier]

your supposed to take the whole combo

and SW is enough in mythic for it

[median tulip]

Marileth :P

[jagged pier]

so i dont know how u dying in hc

[covert helm]

Ah alright, was an alt raid and we did it the same way as in main raids, 1 tank take 1 hit the other take 2

[covert helm]

Skill issue

[covert helm]

Necrochad? Hell yeah

[strong forum]

We just did the taunt swaps when I did lithmijmgmemnivm

Works just as good

However I did tank with the bomb debuff

For like 4 pulls and wondered why I actually took dmg every now and again

Turns out bomb gives you +200% phys dmg taken debuff

[graceful kite]

You interrupt shadowcore, every tank has a bad time if shadowcore goes off, it's not a pwar thing

Actually war can reflect it so I'd say warrior is actually good on those packs

[timber slate]

I know, but we could get both
Or 1 second instead of 0.5 p

[graceful kite]

1 sec would be too easy, would be boring

[lime urchin]

I am new to raid tanking this tier, would you mind explaining what you mean with whole combo? One tankes type A smash, other tank takes type B smash?

[jagged pier]

no u take all 3

then the other tank takes the boss

[honest parcel]

Isn't it 1st hit magic debuff, 2nd hit physical, 3rd magic, so by doing a tauntswap the tank with the magic debuff stays as active tank ?

[tropic linden]

W8, don't u swap taunt in the combo

?

Tank notes said to do so

[urban portal]

You can eat it

[lime urchin]

My point exactly but Jakey is saying we can easily take it all

And then let other tonk tonk the boss

[tropic linden]

It's Phys dmg > Magic dmg > Phys dmg again

And they give debuff for the other type of dmg

[lime urchin]

In my experience the swap is akward anyway so doing it solo makes it easier

[tropic linden]

i'm still using a 252 shield

But SW is not back for every combo

And i deff die without it

[lime urchin]

The other tonk can take the next combo

[jagged pier]

thats why

each tank takes a combo

so u dont take 2 combos in a row

like there are 2 tanks and all tanks can eat the combo

like the phyiscal part does like half less than half of your hp because armour is a thing

from our hc run yesterday

from our mythic kill this week

[tropic linden]

Ok, but why this is better than tank swap? Less movement from raid?

[jagged pier]

literally easier

[mellow bridge]

it just makes it braindead

melee brains only have to look at one circle

and no taunt fails possible

[jagged pier]

and if u want more details on mythic there lots of movement sometimes during the tank combo

[lime urchin]

Exactly!

[jagged pier]

so its better to just have one tank take it and run while getting the combo

instead of swapping and trying to move the boss

[mellow bridge]

cant say ive seen soloing all 3 hits on myth

might depend on your class i guess?

[jagged pier]

its litterally above

and what u do on mythic

so i dunno

[mellow bridge]

yea i see your log

[chrome falcon]

Swapping or soloing are both easy but it's essentially impossible to fuck up a solo

Whereas if you swap it increases the chances of some very intelligent melee getting surprised and hit

Or you might fuck up the taunt and die because you didn't have a CD up

[pallid musk]

i been equiped 2h poleaxe and shield on my prot warrior in (fury spec) and look its insane cool amination

it make me wonder if blizzard can release something different for prot warrior to make people feel its cool to be a pwarr

[blazing condor]

It already is cool

[pallid musk]

like wear bigger sized shield and 2h spear/poleaxes

[chrome falcon]

prot warrior is already the coolest tank

because we are just A Dude With A Shield Who Is Very Strong And Tough

don't need no pansy magic

[torn steppe]

Spear + shield is all I want for mog. 😫

[oblique garnet]

Need better shield mogs tbh

[jagged pier]

need a better mog tbh

[chrome falcon]

animations for tanking with stabbing for like a spear or straight sword would be fucking sick though

[pallid musk]

this one i did with 2h weapon and damn its cool!

[blazing condor]

My mog is dope

Idc what anyone says

[pallid musk]

GIVE PROT warr able to wear 2h weapon + shield! please 🙂

[torn steppe]

As long as swing speed doesn't go down the drain that would be alright. Losing out in SS process because of the slower weapon would suuuuuck.

[pallid musk]

yea i mean its cool to have own class special strength power as prot warrior end up being one class that can tanking with 2h weapon and wear shield it would bring more fun gaming content in wow

or able to tmog in 2h weapons but still have same power as 1h wielder + shield

[sick sentinel]

dual weild shield

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_A7UZFzsrn8

how prot warrior SHOULD feel to play >.>

[pallid musk]

image have jalithys or "the Gavel" power as prot...

with shield + 2h Jalithys

dk is cheater..

[sick sentinel]

the first time i ever learned of darksouls it was called "dork souls 2" and that impression really stuck with me

i hadn't played or heard of or seen any of those games

up to that point

i played through fallout 1 and 2 without cheatin, thats good enough for me

[pallid musk]

that a door shield 😂

sorry, just reminder "the hodor" from GoT series

[sick sentinel]

i feel like SS or critical SS damage should daze or stun

have to imagine getting slapped with a big piece of wood covered in steel might hurt

[pallid musk]

with a smaller shield +2h its soo cool!

not dumb idea

[jagged pier]

guys this isnt the tmog channel

we have 1 of those

[blazing condor]

In here we only protecc

And ratjam

[marsh narwhal]

[twilit bramble]

so between a 272 scale, 252 aegis and a 278 codex, which 2 should I run in M+? key range is 20-22s. I'm thinking aegis is for sure locked in, but I don't know which of the other 2 to use.

[blazing condor]

Aegis + codex cus double on use is yucky

Also you dont need those two big defensive trinkets on those key-ranges

[lofty widget]

get a dps trinket to replace codex cause its gonna do nothing at that range

[urban portal]

I run aegis and scale

its a good practice to seperate tank trinket usage anyways

i usually use scale on pull and aegis once my defensives dry up

[chrome falcon]

scale stinky use codex

[twilit bramble]

what dps trinkets does prot use? I have an OPC and phial I use for my dps specs, both at 272

[lofty widget]

im using sack atm, does like 4-500 dps overall in a dungeon

[blazing condor]

Phial + ticking sack

Or the legion one

[twilit bramble]

alright, gonna use the phial for now, codex if I need more defense and look at getting a sack, thanks for the tips friends!

[livid hamlet]

Is there a way to use intervene when practicing on dummies, outside of having a friend sit there for you? I'm hoping there's some kind of item or toy that lets you intervene to it, or a special kind of dummy nearby that I don't know about, or a way to add an NPC to your party? Any of this exist or am I sol?

[urban portal]

dont think so

you should probably just charge to another mob

or charge one of the many randoms thats there

[livid hamlet]

:( was wanting to train like I fight. Is it possible to open two instances of WoW on the same account and add yourself to your party?

[undone verge]

Nope cause if I’m correct that’s multiboxing and against tos

[marsh narwhal]

u can make a new account fresh and use the free trial to bring a lvl 1 toon on top of org to try

but thats way too dank and u should probably just intervene the other people around u

[blazing condor]

10,000g/min and i'll stand on the dummy for you

[livid hamlet]

I've heard "healing" dummies exist in WoW, maybe I can intervene to those if they do indeed exist

Lol

[urban portal]

yeah intervene to randoms

[livid hamlet]

I'm not made of gold like that

[urban portal]

pretend they are your shit teammates

[livid hamlet]

Lol, I've only been able to do that if we're attacking a rare mob out in the world, didn't seem to work when I tried to intervene at training

But maybe we need to be attacking the same target? Or maybe I'm bad and need to try again

Ok cool

[timber slate]

I did

Seen alot of memes in the game with that shield lol

Double gank with dual shield

I know, played alot when it came out lmao

Made a japanese account to play before everyone🤣

[errant wagon]

For those who like to play Necrolord in M+, do you tend to swap between Necro/Kyrian based on the dungeon?

Like I was playing some last night and I thought about how it felt really bad to do Mists / Spires due to the downtime (solving maze, flying between platforms) and I kept losing my necro buff since I couldn't go from pull to pull fast enough

I know that's getting really nitpicky by doing covenant swap per dungeon, but just curious

[jagged pier]

i dont swap

[errant wagon]

Do you feel that way though that some dungeons are better than others in terms of keeping your buff alive?

[lofty widget]

you usually spend 2+ minutes on each platform in spires that you should be able to just re apply on every platform

and in the case of mists you should have the healer solving the maze while you kill the pack, so you can go very fast from pack to pack in there too

[errant wagon]

gonna screen cap that second statement and send to my M+ group to start a riot

thank you 😂

[chrome falcon]

yeah i mean if you're having significant downtime between packs in the maze

flame your healer

you can keep banner up for the whole maze if they're on the ball

[lofty widget]

from my experience mists and sanguine are the best dungeons for banner uptime actually

[jagged pier]

the maze has always been a healer job

espiecally with a prot tank we take no damage from the mobs

[errant wagon]

Gotcha.

Theater felt kinda bad too with the skips and flying between platforms

[random pebble]

If I want to go pure M+, what are my best leggo and covenant options?

[sweet summit]

seismic necro

[sick sentinel]

is there any requirement to get into eternities end LFR, i dunno the gear lvl for it (go to ZM do some amount of quest or somethin)

im 246 to 248 with another trinket

[mighty valley]

i'd only switch to kyrian now if we needed one for a kyrian dungeon

[sweet summit]

i think that's enough yogi

[urban portal]

is yogi back

[sick sentinel]

i don't have to go visit ZM?

[mighty valley]

reprisal + necrolord. unless you have no tier set and/or need an easier build to learn, then you can go kyrian

[random pebble]

Necro instead of Spear? Spear seems like so much damage to pass on

[jagged pier]

if u mean just playing m+, then it what u use in raid if u mean pure damage then what erga sai

[sick sentinel]

i'm not subbed no but i figure if i do it tonight i'd have something in box

[mighty valley]

i don't think you have to go to ZM but even if you do that takes like five seconds

[jagged pier]

u can literally do the ZM campaign in a couple of hours

[mighty valley]

can also use it for giga renown on another cov if you need it

[sick sentinel]

yeah, had about 50k

[random pebble]

What slot would you craft Seismic on?

[sweet summit]

boots

[chrome falcon]

22% str 4 rps 408 mastery 30% MS and immune to slows forever > big aoe chunk

[random pebble]

Fair point! Also I wish all the good legendaries didn't go on boots, which are up to 65k gold on my server

[robust rover]

I’ve really enjoyed this combo for the past week. Even a 19 DoS felt fine.

[chrome falcon]

seismic necro fucking BLASTS

seismic revenge gives you 2 shots at a SS reset right?

[sweet summit]

no

[timber slate]

Seismic instead of reprisal

[jagged pier]

well if u want to do pure dps

[sweet summit]

no

[jagged pier]

no

[sweet summit]

bannable

[jagged pier]

thats legit mutable

[timber slate]

Big dps but you’d get slapped imo

[jagged pier]

no actively works against u because u need to hold rage

so less outbursts

less banner

etc etc

[chrome falcon]

less rage because no SS resets too

like yeah those 4 or 5 WWs are going to do insane damage

absolutely fucking pump

but you screw yourself after

tbh i think it's fine to run bonegrinder because our potencies are dogshit anyway and maybe you get 2 or 3 good WWs but

trying to make it a thing where you dump 120 rage into WWs after every rav is dogshit

[timber slate]

Thats what i thought lmao

Can’t read through sarcasm via chat xD

[jagged pier]

people were saying it unironically in here at the start of the patch

[urban portal]

i think deswind was one of the culprits

[sweet summit]

deswind does not own anymore

[mighty cairn]

wait does seimisc work on whirlwind

[urban portal]

it does

33%

[sweet summit]

you get an extra tick of ww

(it is not a lot)

[mighty cairn]

why does prot warrior have ww anyway

[sweet summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[mighty cairn]

other than to be funny

[urban portal]

its baseline i think

[mighty cairn]

so what are thinking in 10.0

baseline reprisal or riot

or what

[shut summit]

god plz no

[chrome falcon]

Reprisal is fun for a patch but I wouldn’t want to play with it for like 4 years

[urban portal]

yet here you are

[mighty valley]

this is a really fun version of prot warrior but my old man brain can't keep up this pace for the rest of my time playing wow

even now i'm considering an alt tank for the keys where i want to chill

[urban portal]

79 apm

according to simc

[timber slate]

Why dont we have shield bash instead of pummel? Lol
Imagine hitting with the pummel while wielding a shield🤪

[vernal vale]

I like reprisal but it's a bandaid for other issues. Such as shield block downtime.

[chrome falcon]

Need a way for good players to get better block uptime than bad players

[blazing condor]

cheat engine

[jagged pier]

im bored of rep tbh

have been about a week after it got change

[vernal vale]

There was was a time where haste would bring the CD down enough you could hit full uptime i would take thar back.

Took shitloads of haste but still.

[chrome falcon]

That’s not fun though that’s just gear

[blazing condor]

rep is good

not fun

if rep wasnt neeeded you would run seismic or something

[chrome falcon]

Seismic isn’t exactly peak gameplay either

[vernal vale]

There should be something they could do instead of our reprisal bandaid for our blocking.

Bolster is not the answer either.

[sweet summit]

bolster baseline 👀

[chrome falcon]

Baseline bolster and make LS a 1 minute CD with an 8 second duration

[sweet summit]

[chrome falcon]

And add it to AM

[timber slate]

Spell reflection build

[jagged pier]

they have to change LS somehow

[chrome falcon]

Make it so good players get more block uptime

[urban portal]

i have a bad feeling that reprisal is gonna be on the talent tree

[chrome falcon]

Last stand is just fucking dogshit

[urban portal]

its like

[vernal vale]

Last stand needs to feel more impactful haven't had it feel like a survival button in a long time.

[urban portal]

enraged regen

but worse

[chrome falcon]

Without borrowed power and talents it’s the worst tank CD in the game easily

[vernal vale]

Enraged regen back could be cool

[chrome falcon]

Enraged regen is great

[urban portal]

sorry not enraged regen

frenzied regen

doesnt frenzied regen heal for the same amount on half the cd

[chrome falcon]

Huh

[vernal vale]

The old enraged regen. That consumed an enrage and healed us

[urban portal]

iim talking about druid

[chrome falcon]

Frenzied regen has way shorter than just half LS

[urban portal]

yeah

36s cd

[vernal vale]

Yeah

[urban portal]

and heals for 28 ish%

[vernal vale]

They could use it a lot.

[urban portal]

last stand heal for 30%

[chrome falcon]

Well the thing about LS is that we don’t even need it

[urban portal]

on 6x the cd

[chrome falcon]

We have enough good CDs anyway

So idk what it’s doing there apart from nostalgia

[vernal vale]

This is what we used to get.

Back in wrath.

[urban portal]

was this like fury tanking

[ruby locust]

Make last stand interact with ignore pain like it adds a absorb effect instead of a health increase

[vernal vale]

Nope it was usable as protection

[urban portal]

absorb is worse than health increase

health incrase is the best form of heal in the game

[vernal vale]

You could pair enraged regeneration with last stand in wrath to get lots of on demand healing

[ruby locust]

Maybe make it heal then idk last stand is legit just rage gain at this point

It’s not as good as those though

[ocean yoke]

thats just a conduit too that we will lose

[vernal vale]

If not foe the conduit it would just be a health increase and be even less impactful

[mighty valley]

almost everything we have is about to become "not baseline" next expac

if the system goes through as shown

[ruby locust]

Guess will have to wait and see hopefully we get talent tree leaks or something

[amber herald]

think they said fully maxing out your spec tree only uses 2/3 of your points

[shut summit]

😁

[amber herald]

so who knows what we're gonna get

[vernal vale]

I'll say it as I always do. Just give me gladiator back.

[ruby locust]

I just want a form of self heal that isn’t victory rush

[mighty valley]

if they gave you gladiator back but it just wasn't on par with any other dps spec, would you still play it

[vernal vale]

Yes, and I would push it to its limit like I did last time.

[mighty valley]

just kind of low-faith that they would reintroduce something with the explicit goal of making it non-competitive

because if it's actually good, why not take the dps spec with the best defensives possible?

[vernal vale]

They nerfed it before because of its defensiveness with the armor it had.

As for actual survival buttons it wasn't anymore than other dps spec had.

Just shields are a crapload of armor

[mighty valley]

Also just an enormous amount of health now

[vernal vale]

We had craploads of health then. Fury normally has craploads of health because duel 2h weapons.

When tanks died if you picked up boss you barely handled it better than any other dps would. Ie paladin with immunity or something.

[mighty valley]

I mean right now I have 100k+ as prot vs. 70k as fury, big difference

Anyway, I think if they think there's actually demand for sword n board dps, i'd rather they support it as a real spec rather than doing one gimmick talent

[strong forum]

:suspicious:

[jagged pier]

sus

[vernal vale]

Hell give us a 4th spec. I wanted that at the time. Druid having for means it's not impossible.

[median tulip]

I think they will not add a 4th spec for anyone else until DH has 3

Besides, what would you even want, another melee DPS spec? They can't even balance the two we have properly

[vernal vale]

Gladiator dps had a really fantastic playstyle and theme.

90CPM a damage window inside shield rush to maximize.

Great rage flow as you spent and gained. Using abilities off GCD

[median tulip]

and then (AIUI) they massively nerfed it to the point of uselessness

[vernal vale]

Except they didn't. Just made it really hard to maximize.

I was beating fury and arms warriors in similar gear.

The effort to get that dps was just an incredibly high cieling

If you where not at that 90cpm you didn't put out good numbers

Which meant you had to play incredibly well to even start doing good.

[timber nest]

is outrage worth tracking or is it just a passive buff?

[sweet summit]

outburst?

track it

[timber nest]

sorry

seeing red

[sweet summit]

oh ye that too

[median tulip]

You can make it track on a single aura, no problem

[mighty valley]

you need to know when outburst is coming so you can make sure your rage is low

and so you don't overlap it with the free proc from avatar

[sick sentinel]

got some LFR legs

[keen epoch]

Hey guys. What is an easy way to get nathria lego memories? Or just sit 30min on queue on raid finder?

[sick sentinel]

they drop from LFR yes

probably normal/heroic farm group i'd guess, mythic isn't quite puggable

[median tulip]

You can buy them from Rendle in ZM

[sick sentinel]

asmon tried to pug mythic CN, with 275's didn't go well at 2nd to final, but in general, clown show

[median tulip]

I wonder if I could solo Shriekwing

[urban portal]

rip prot warrior pvp

[keen epoch]

What is their cost on ZM?

[mortal brook]

Hello frends. Condolences on the tier set nerf

[sick sentinel]

rip that bad elden ring take guy, apparently he went ham and doxxed actmans mom so he got arrested i think

[marsh narwhal]

ui looks clean damn

[mighty valley]

oh they actually bothered to nerf pvp 1shots?

weird

[mortal brook]

Alas

[mighty valley]

wish I'd messed around with it before now I guess

[chrome falcon]

it was giga free 1800 but 1800 is free anyway

[sweet summit]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-top-gear-jeremy-clarkson-no-one-cares-gif-18925814

[jagged pier]

oh no they nerfed the easily stoppable prot one shot

[chrome falcon]

prot warrior is a problem in pvp but bdk is fine in pve

hm hm yes

[mighty valley]

i get it, if you're brand new and thought about dipping your toe into pvp and the first thing that happens is you get oneshot by a prot warrior of all things

you're never coming back

[mighty cairn]

what if ur brand new and roll prot warrior and everyone laughs at you when you apply to keys

where’s blizzards influence now

[distant crystal]

I just watched clips of an arcane mage 1-shotting 2 ppl with 1 spell, and dinging the third for like 60% of their HP lol

seems good

[mighty valley]

mages are allowed. they're using magic

that just makes sense

[median tulip]

You can buy for various currencies, I forget how much

[marsh narwhal]

well im supposed to 1shot a goblin with a shield that weights 100 times as much

[strong forum]

You fucking scared me for a sec

You can't do that to me

[jagged pier]

u dont even play anymore

😂

[strong forum]

I can still feel unjust

[sturdy sable]

What he got a week into the season and called it?

[strong forum]

Ye pmuch

[jagged pier]

fomo dude

its was too much

[strong forum]

Keys still suck

[jagged pier]

ive been saying that all expansion

[strong forum]

Gearing takes too long

[oblique garnet]

Move on to the weebland

its fun

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[oblique garnet]

wow is unhealthy game

[lyric geode]

What happened to protection warrior in pvp?

[jagged pier]

not anymore i just raid log

[sturdy sable]

This

[strong forum]

Wow atleast offers gameplay, FF is only role play

[lyric geode]

Will the nerf SS even more?

[sturdy sable]

But leveling is the gameplay in ff wdym

[strong forum]

Sick

FF leveling has to be worse than wow

[sturdy sable]

You don't like grinding years old dungeons or fate?

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[strong forum]

Teleport 38098mil times and talk to 89028 npcs, kill these 2 mobs, proceed to teleport and talk.

Here have 45min of unskippable cutscenes

[oblique garnet]

Still better than wow

[strong forum]

[oblique garnet]

only redeeming quality wow has is the raid

[strong forum]

Maybe the casual content, but if you don't care for Story or Raiding, then uhm FF ain't for you

[oblique garnet]

and when the grind for raid is aids

😴

[jagged pier]

thats why i only raid log

[strong forum]

At this point I'm just waiting for monster hunter Rise dlc

[sturdy sable]

I much prefer wows gameplay to ffs

[timber slate]

Why play FF when we have Goldshire?🤣

[sturdy sable]

Better looking every thing

[strong forum]

FF actually offers good slutmogs

[ruby locust]

Gold shire on moon guard oh baby

[jagged pier]

black desert

for slutmogs

[strong forum]

Man if black desert had endgame that isn't grinding mobs or pvp...

Such a pretty game

[oblique garnet]

I was at a medieval castle and someone pulled up with a fucking modern hover car

[lyric geode]

1 question, is it true that on anduin the tanks would never get the same color?

[oblique garnet]

no

[lyric geode]

So they have to premove?

[jagged pier]

u have to spread yer

[lyric geode]

I see, thanks!

[timber nest]

is there a good mission table addon?

[chrome falcon]

@jagged pier lmao these halondrus nerfs??

[eternal moth]

haha, amen

I fucking hate MMO stories. I prefer to make my own story, even if the story is just "Garbagetruck spent 4 hours grinding Torghast for some reason"

[jagged pier]

boring boss now

we were just getting into p3 as well

[chrome falcon]

boss literally dies in 1 pull now??

[jagged pier]

well no

but quickly yes

[mortal brook]

??

[oblique garnet]

its gonna be more bomb deaths then ever before

people are gonna fall asleep :kekw

[jagged pier]

probably

but will have to see

[eternal moth]

hey @errant thorn I wanted to change my name to Garbagetruck-Thrall to match my in-game character, will you change it for me? Or remove the restriction? Not sure if there's some arcane reason to disallow it

Also sorry to @ you but you blocked PMs for some reason

[jagged pier]

likely gunna kill wednesday

now

thats a bit of a shame

wanted it before second set

and we were close

but oh well

[chrome falcon]

i have never seen a boss get giga nerfed this hard before

what the fuck

from 10 seconds to HALF A MINUTE lmao

[jagged pier]

but then again there were still like less than 200 kill on it

anyways

so it needed a nerf

[oblique garnet]

$rename 148862752599965696 Garbagetruck-Thrall

[true pawn]

Done.

[chrome falcon]

sure but an hp nerf too

so you just literally never get reclaim i think?

[jagged pier]

well it makes it a mid tier boss now yer

[chrome falcon]

like i think that boss will never cast reclaim again

[jagged pier]

probably a bit easier

[eternal moth]

Thanks!

[jagged pier]

but oh well

like it is a mid tier boss

it needed it

[chrome falcon]

this feels like a lot idk

i kinda wanted this tier to last for a while since dragonflight is a million miles away

but whatever i guess i'll take it

[vernal vale]

I was suprised to see the nerfs but I guess the pull counts are super high.

Then I remember them never seeming to nerf 25man heroic spine with huge numbers of pulls on that in cataclysm.

[jagged pier]

Yer but thats a second to last boss

This is a mid teir boss with like 200 kills on it months into the tier

It was going to happen eventually

Doesnt matter anyway theres only 1 boss that matters

And thats the last 1

[vernal vale]

Fair enough.

[mighty valley]

season 4 raid affix: Unnerfed

[chrome falcon]

i can't remember the last time i saw blizz nerf a boss' melee swing

[chilly brook]

Don’t worry it will

We’ll be doing it all of 9.2.5

[vernal vale]

The season 4 thing means going back to the other raids too. Which is very blah unless they do something really cool.

Though if it means dragonflight will be better so be it.

Gives me time to find a new raiding guild as well.

[mighty valley]

is it more or less blah than doing sepulcher with no changes for 6 additional months

those are the options

[vernal vale]

Definitely less blah

[lyric geode]

So it means that doing mythic raiding is fun?

I mean, old warrior's soul, Hunter's legendary bow, are still viable.

Also, Imagine stacking Kelthuzad's weapon with jailor's

[vernal vale]

That's the most interesting part is great combinations of items.

[mighty valley]

honestly excited to go back to horny vampire castle

my guild hooted and hollered through the whole experience

[eternal moth]

I wish I could just raid all week, I hate 5 man dungeons

[vernal vale]

I would actually like to do that properly. I was in a normal only guild then while my spouse gave raiding a try meant nathria was sleep mode for me.

[eternal moth]

It's been especially crappy these last few expansions, since you pretty much have to go do 5 mans in order to be on par for high end raiding

[vernal vale]

Dungeon design matters there too.

I hated last expac dungeons. So I didn't run much.

Really like the ones this expac as a whole so I'm running a lot.

Hell, that's a reason I like timewalking is a lot of them are fun to run other than people who don't know anything about them.

[eternal moth]

yeah, maybe this is a good spot to be in actually.. you can get AotC without ever setting foot in an M+ dungeon, and there are a lot of people participating in dungeons at various skill levels

[sick sentinel]

Shard of Annylde's Aegis at 239 or First Technique at 262?

[sturdy sable]

id still run aegis

[vernal vale]

Dungeons allow for a lot more opportunity to get gear as well to shore up some bad luck of raid drops.

[sturdy sable]

but really you want a phial and a sack

/counter measures

[vernal vale]

Aegis is better until you are doing keys that are really high.

[sick sentinel]

For M+?

[sturdy sable]

unless your running giga high keys yes

[sick sentinel]

How high is really high?

[sturdy sable]

higher then your running

[vernal vale]

Above +20

Realistically +24 or higher for its value to really show b

You can find logs that show how it scales with more difficult content.

[random pebble]

Do y'all slap Seismic reverberations on boots or helm?

[sturdy sable]

boots

[vernal vale]

Because it's a flat damage reduction and the like.

[chrome falcon]

boots, unity goes on helm

[sturdy sable]

I have unity on helm

[random pebble]

Haste/verse?

[chrome falcon]

haste crit for dam

[sick sentinel]

got a 2 piece from LFR

could do anduin and jailer but says i got a 3 choice for vault

[ruby locust]

I’ve been seeing a lot of seismic being used what does it do sorry excuse the ignorance ?

[chrome falcon]

what do you mean

are you literally just asking what the item's tooltip is

[distant crystal]

big dam

[random pebble]

Big PP dps

[ruby locust]

Yes I’m at work so can’t look it up atm

[ocean yoke]

anduin probably worth it for another shot at a tier piece

[lyric geode]

I find that going for seismic is a big no no above 20s

[sick sentinel]

twice so far put me past him

[ocean yoke]

yeah lfr can be a real crapshoot with where it puts you

[lyric geode]

Btw guys? What is your rio? Just asking for curiosity

[sick sentinel]

i'd be for a version of LFR where as long as one guy stays and has qeue open can continue the full lock out

[lyric geode]

Mine is 2900 rio

[ruby locust]

Atm 2400

[hard vessel]

Like 3180

[lyric geode]

I have done a SD 19s key, after the second pack i realised I had punish and not devestator. Fortunately, we had a warlock to summon me. Also, we timed it.

I was playing arenas before.

[ruby locust]

Not punished for using punish

[bright dock]

Bout tree Kay fitty

[ruby locust]

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[sick sentinel]

first attempt on jailer (fury) lfr, attacking, immediately fall into first hole die lol

[ruby locust]

https://tenor.com/view/killua-confused-killua-hunter-hunter-hunter-x-hunter-killua-hunter-hunter-gif-22912337

[naive panther]

trinkets for prot deeps with seismic, m+. 278 soleahs, 278 iqd, 278 codex, 262 scale, 262 anima field, 239 aegis, low level windscar whetstone? Anyone have their top picks from that?

[lyric geode]

Codex for high keys is viable

I use scale as well.

While soleath gives you stat, I find scale quite handy.

[sick sentinel]

i dunno if we are gunna kill jailer

[cerulean wyvern]

So are they going to allow prot warriors to wield 2 handers? That would be a nice buff.

[sick sentinel]

doubt it

dks would mald

[cerulean wyvern]

DK’s have self sustain

[opaque hearth]

they should allow us to mog it at least

just us....

[sick sentinel]

they didn't tank the boss close to a hole they claim wasn't able to deposit the bomb

[lofty widget]

probably anima field+soleahs of those picks, but look to get sack/phial if you want pure dps

[sick sentinel]

weak aura said go jump in hole did and died

[median tulip]

I use double techniques

[median tulip]

As you can see from people's answers, there isn't really a "right" choice, play whatever of them you like; it won't make or break your gameplay either way

[sick sentinel]

they got him to 40% might get credit for kill after all

[naive panther]

I've heard sack mentioned dunno what it is.

I was using scale and codex but trying to push more damage

I have a wa for iqd but not sure it's worth

[lofty widget]

ticking sack of terror from taza streets

[sick sentinel]

i've heard bout some trinket you can get from ZM but i have no idea how any of that works

[naive panther]

Oh yeah I had that in my box first week

[lofty widget]

iqd is an awkward cd for us to use and theres a risk of it not giving you the desired effect when you do press it

[sick sentinel]

i went to ZM and i did like, 5 quests then i did LFR

[median tulip]

I ground to Revered and haven't done a damn thing in ZM since

putting in a grind like that really killed any fun there might have been in the place

GG bliz, way to make playing your game less attractive

[chrome falcon]

there was no need to grind ZM tho you just did like 50% of the world quests for a few weeks

[sick sentinel]

i just think what sucks about reputation is its like, 1k for first step, 3k for next stept like 10k for the next one and then like what is it 19 and 21 after?

[chrome falcon]

uh you're way off lol it's 3 6 12 21

[sick sentinel]

yeah, so ~45k worth of rep every time a new patch comes out, and then the reward is at revered you can buy a cockroach pet, and at exalted you can buy a mount for a bunch of BOP currency or like 50k gold

[chrome falcon]

horrific, isn't it

[sick sentinel]

but, you needed revered anyways to get the main thing you wanted craft in another slot

[ocean yoke]

the rune is nice for exalted but not mandatory at all

[ruby locust]

The runes are so cheap on the ah that I just buy a 200 stack at a time

[sacred timber]

Should I be outhealing every fucking healer by over 1k hps?

[trim bay]

hey guys. on Lithuvim and it was only heroic. just trying to understand the mechanic properly before mythic. when resonance is cast on the tank (providing you dont have the little bomb debuff) do you tank the entire combo? or are you suppose to taunt swap after kinetic resonance and sundering resonance

[teal swift]

1. Healer is for the dps in keys
2. Yes, if you dps aren't pepega

[trim bay]

as i spellreflected and SW and didnt take any damage

[teal swift]

@sacred timber hope that helps

The healers job, is to heal unavoidable damage that would be lethal. And dispels

Beyond that they should be dpsing

[sacred timber]

I honestly just hate this fucking week

[trim bay]

check over healing as well

chances are alot of IP over cap

[sacred timber]

multiple deaths I look and Im getting hit by interruptible spells for over 90k. And no fucking interrupts from dps

[chrome falcon]

yeah it's very easy to just solo it as long as you alterante which tank takes which combo

[trim bay]

ahh ok sweet. so we should be taking the entire combo?

i have been doing it wrong

[chrome falcon]

either way is fine

soloing is easier

[trim bay]

yea

[chrome falcon]

would you rather do two taunt swamps that bounce around a 1 shot circle that can kill melee

or just press SW

[trim bay]

do you need to taunt straight after the combo if your the other tank

[chrome falcon]

nope

lihuvim melees like a bitch so debuff irrelevant

[trim bay]

so only if you for soem reason had the bomb that gives physical dmg increase

[chrome falcon]

meh even then

just press more CDs

[trim bay]

kk

[chrome falcon]

fight is a joke

[trim bay]

do ppl solo tank it

[chrome falcon]

you might be able to on HC

on mythic you need your other tank to taunt during bombs

otherwise you're just trolling your raid with boss movement

[trim bay]

yea i meant hc

i assume mythic would be a no

pre nerf

[chrome falcon]

problem with solo tanking is you don't get enough CDs for every combo

you have to alternate

[trim bay]

i swear i had wall and SR up every time as the other tank died

the bombs though i wasnt aware gave a debuff

heroic though.

[sacred timber]

I literally feel like I cant do anything this week

7 depletes

I want to fucking cry

I dont even wanna do the 8th to get the last vault slot

[dark lark]

What are you doing? Just 15s for vault?

[sacred timber]

+21/20s

just dont want to even attempt another cause orbs and interrputs

[mighty valley]

Just do a 15 for babies

[sacred timber]

i just cant even trust people in a +15

[sacred timber]

8/8

[sacred timber]

Idk what me and the healer can do more

[urban portal]

Your warrior trolling

Your bm trolling for playing bm