Hey, I play MM hunter with my prot warrior friend who just switched to necrolord. In the cases where misdirect isn't up for any reason, how is he supposed to keep threat against my big burst on pull?
#protection
woven lance
strange lintel
went to a streets tazavesh and kept dying cuz zero fucking interrupts. literally got dropped from 100% to 10% on 3 ingored casts and died
woven lance
Hey, I play MM hunter with my prot warrior friend who just switched to necrolord...
Extra context: I'm talking about m+ and he has 4piece
jagged pier
Hey, I play MM hunter with my prot warrior friend who just switched to necrolord...
u wait 2 seconds
median tulip
Isn't MD on like a 30s CD?
blazing condor
Hey, I play MM hunter with my prot warrior friend who just switched to necrolord...
I play with a mm hunter and i personally dont have a problem with threat when md is on cd. My guess is that he’s not doing enough or not playing entirely correctly. Kinda hard to tell because pwarr has a lot of variation between people.
Also 4p necro btw
lofty widget
well MD is 30 sec cd and your big cd is what, 2 min? so it should always line up
woven lance
I play with a mm hunter and i personally dont have a problem with threat when md...
What are the basics to establishing threat? thunderclap, revenge, ravager? Anything else I'm forgetting?
safe dirge
just revenge is enough if u dont use macro burst at 1s into the pack
blazing condor
What are the basics to establishing threat? thunderclap, revenge, ravager? Anyth...
Pre cast ravager > charge > revenge spam and tc
Thats about it
With avatar and shit in it ofc
woven lance
I guess blood spattered scale too
blazing condor
You can aoe taunt if you need but you know, 4 min cd
If you play scale its a good burst threat
Revenge is primarily the damage dealer though
Tc can be useful in beginning of packs cus it can tag everyone but revenge should be the primary damage dealer
Pre-casting rav into the pack is a good way to set up initial threat too if he doesnt do that
woven lance
Hmm, so would you ignore TC casts in lieu of more revenge casts?
jagged pier
TC does nothing
blazing condor
Tc is mostly just seen to get rage, something that gets less prio with 4p necro
Cus you already have immense rage gain
Heroic leap resets taunt if there’s mobs that needs to be picked up
But i wouldnt suggest incorporating hc into the rotation. But good to know
woven lance
Hmm, so let's say he's gathering a big ardenweald pull and has finally got them all grouped up. Sounds like he should basically ignore TC, but what about the prio of Revenge vs. Shield slam?
blazing condor
For threat revenge is gonna do more but you always press SS when you can because of the rage gain
Cant revenge without rage
shell shale
Wait heroic leap resets taunt?
blazing condor
Wait heroic leap resets taunt?
Yup
shell shale
Gasp how'd I not know this
blazing condor
Actually useful to know if you mess up a taunt or need to pick up more than one thing
blazing condor
Hmm, so let's say he's gathering a big ardenweald pull and has finally got them ...
But he can only do so much if you got heavy burst then you really would do a favor by just waiting a sec or two before popping
woven lance
Yeah, what was happening was I would misdirect in ardenweald while he was gathering, but then I would shoot explosives and then by the time he had it all gathered, MD had been used up
and then I would burst and pull aggro
odd tree
Yea, I always ask for 2-3 gcds if it's a big pull
woven lance
Pugs are so bad at waiting >.<
I hate when I'm doing a big gather pull and someone UNLOADS on the first 3 mobs that I tag
odd tree
Always fun
chrome falcon
@woven lance you press revenge until SS procs then you press SS and go back to revenging
make sure he's playing best served cold if he's struggling with threat
woven lance
I have a log of the DoS in question. I think pull 2 was my fault for not waiting, but you can take a look at this pull 5? 3 different dps pulled aggro during the fight:
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XyjNfaK2GcDhrgFd/#fight=2&pins=0%24Separate%24%23244F4B%24auras-gained%240%240.0.0.Any%240.0.0.Any%24true%24235207149.0.0.Hunter%24false%24186265&pull=5&type=casts&view=timeline&source=2
chrome falcon
uh
i don't necessarily have a polite way of saying this but it's nothing to do with "one pull"
there's just a ton of glaring problems
his most cast spell is ignore pain which is
insane
woven lance
Haha, let me hear it, I'll give him the feedback
chrome falcon
he's casting 7 shield slams per minute
shield slam has roughly a 6-7 second CD
so even if he was never getting a shield slam reset proc, he'd STILL be casting too few
SS and revenge casts should literally be double
i can't really judge 11 minutes of a run but
yeah he's just not pressing his spells?
he's spending a completely absurd amount of rage on ignore pain
jagged pier
that log u linked its scuff as
chrome falcon
so he's never pressing revenge
yeah idk it's kind of confusing
i'm seeing stuff that means he's either insanely terrible
or the log is fucked
jagged pier
the log is fucked
woven lance
how?
jagged pier
like its over 10 mins
then the other 1 is 37 mins but like nothing happens for like 20 mins of it
chrome falcon
i guess they're just runs that died?
but really need a full run to properly analyse anything
woven lance
Group fell apart and we just chilled in the dungeon for a while
chrome falcon
yeah that makes the run impossible to read
CPM (casts per minute) are one of the most important things to look at and we can't look at them
woven lance
What about his opening on the pull where everyone pulled aggro?
And I can try to find a complete log
chrome falcon
looking extremely detailed at an opener like that isn't useful
but
he seems to be using TC as his first global after charge
instead of his FREE revenge that does 50% more damage
jagged pier
i mean general casts are okay just less than they should be, and he for sure isnt using reprisal meaning he looses alot of rage
so lots of revenges
chrome falcon
he also casts ravager like 8 globals in
woven lance
Well he was still gathering the mobs I think
chrome falcon
but again looking at specific cast sequence like that is useless
yeah that's why looking at an opener like this for anything other than like optimising a ST opener for a dps is worthless
but definitely first global after charge is NEVER TC
it's revenge or SS
woven lance
but definitely first global after charge is NEVER TC
😮 that will be news to him
chrome falcon
you get a free revenge that does 50% more damage from reprisal which is going to do well over twice as much damage as thunderclap
TC is a fucking terrible ability
it does 0 damage and generates 5 rage
jagged pier
yer this is the one i was looking at
woven lance
Wait how? I just linked it
chrome falcon
this looks a lot less bad in terms of CPM but 7k dps is giga low
woven lance
Wait, that's never worked for me, it just brings up their warcraftlogs profile, but I don't know how to find individual logs of theirs
how do you that?
chrome falcon
his TC damage is too high though looks like he's overrating it
jagged pier
profile -> mythic + -> pick a dungeon -> see 1 with a log against it
jagged pier
chrome falcon
24 casts of avatar over 25 mins is low too surely
woven lance
How can you see what he spent outburst on?
chrome falcon
click damage done then click the lil outburst icon
it's a green dude on a yellow background
56 on SS 37 on TC
woven lance
👍
strong forum
You should have roughly 50% more avatar casts than minutes of the key
If necrolord*
woven lance
What's the general way to use reprisal? Just intervene to someone far away and charge back on cooldown? And heroic leap away and charge back on cooldown?
jagged pier
u never intervene and charge back
woven lance
Oh how come?
blazing condor
Oh how come?
waste a reprisal proc
strong forum
Waste of 2 gcds
jagged pier
u waste tones of stuff
strong forum
And waste of revenge buff
woven lance
So just intervene to a melee?
blazing condor
yup
woven lance
and heroic leap and charge back on cd?
strong forum
Gotta find timings / cc options to charge weave
Leaping out to charge is rarely ever done
At best on bosses
But on packs rarely needes
woven lance
Hmm, so like run away from a casting mob and charge it?
strong forum
Ye
woven lance
Ok, so intervene to melee on cd and try to keep both charges of charge on cd?
strong forum
1 charge
Not both
Charging every 12sec is extremely hard to do and nto at all needed
Usually intervene + normal SB usage already covers alot
strong forum
Charge CD is 12sec with double time isn't it
woven lance
Another question: when you get to high fortified keys (24+) do you have to start kiting more?
strong forum
Shouldn't feel the need to kite outside of very specific situations
That shouldn't change with key levels
blazing condor
on this week you're definitely gonna be kiting a bit at the higher levels
woven lance
Big ardenweald pulls? I was seeing tattman kite a lot during those back to back ardenweald big pulls
blazing condor
i did a 21 dos and i would kite a bit during they key
blazing condor
wasn't 100% needed but i just played it safe
strong forum
Stacking debuff
strong forum
So that's a situation you have to kite because of a mechanic, every tank has to
oblique garnet
Kite/bop
woven lance
Hmm ok, so feedback for my friend:
-Always charge > revenge
-Cast avatar more
-Cast more in general
-Intervene to melee on cd, always have 1 charge of charge on cd
-Cast TC less
Is TC just way low on prio? Like he should just be going back and forth between SS and Revenge?
As long as he has the rage for it?
sweet summit
should TC on cd, but not use it with outburst
woven lance
Hmm, I don't think that's what people were saying earlier
strong forum
He needs to press more buttons in general
He only generated 15k rage in 25 minutes
I generated 18k rage in 22 minutes with only 2pc
oblique garnet
should TC on cd, but not use it with outburst
strong forum
This man is just not pressing enough buttons at all
woven lance
Hmm, why could that be? My guesses are he's not casting while gathering and he's not great at gathering and also I think he treats some things like they're on the GCD when they're not
strong forum
Not enough shield slams
He's only at 55cpm
When he should be closer to 70cpm
He's just not pressing buttons often enough
So he's probably kiting too much, not using SS procs often enough
He's used too many procs on TC, which reduces overall cpm cuz less rage gain
woven lance
Can anyone give their opening for gathering the urn pull in DoS? Like the 3 pat birds, the 5 stationary birds, the 3 staghorns and the 3 invis spriggans? How would you gather that and establish threat?
blazing condor
ideally you wouldnt really burst until they're gathered so people should just be ready to move to that urn
i would probably start by doing the birds and just leap there to gather them all with movement speed, charge back to the elk pack then run towards urn and put a ravager there
but i mean its hard to describe without actually doing it lmao
uncut notch
but i mean its hard to describe without actually doing it lmao
I’d love a sandbox/test mode for dungies
Like the MDI realm but with more dungie control
blazing condor
would be cool
uncut notch
Like you can test and reset the same pull 100x in a row or whatever
Not really in the spirit of the game tho
blazing condor
Can anyone give their opening for gathering the urn pull in DoS? Like the 3 pat ...
you can also ravager the birds and run with the group through the catwalk and onto urn granted you can hit all birds
woven lance
Do you guys try to angle yourselves toward mobs while gathering for block purposes or just try to go fast and don't worry about showing your back?
blazing condor
you never really wanna give back
that shit hurts
but you can be fast enough to not have to be hit
if you gather and then intervene an ally or leap or whatever
jagged pier
i angle for revenge
strong forum
Good Times
BL pull and tank just zooms
Instead of current meta of tanks not even being 50% during big pulls
ebon geyser
i still think echo should NOT be in mdi, nobody is even close to them , going into mdi you have to be ready to get second place
ebon geyser
yes to give others a chance
strong forum
That's pretty fucked up
ebon geyser
i saw the 18 min 22 yesturday and i was like wow rip other team
strong forum
They've been this dominant since mdi existence in legion
ebon geyser
i mean thats what I would do , like bois yeah sit one out
blazing condor
i dont care about money or sponsors anyway
tell that to the organisation lmao
"yeah sorry we dont wanna show our dominance"
ebon geyser
is just my pov
strong forum
And then the winner of that pseudo mdi won't feel happy cuz they only won cuz the actual best team didn't even fight
Yeah right
blazing condor
like method getting #2
even though im sure they're glad
but like
liquid wouldve gotten it anyway yaknow
strong forum
Method knows they didn't really get #2
ebon geyser
liquid was playing like shit in jailer last pulls
strong forum
Cuz they had a scuffed roster
One of their tanks had to leave
But anyway
Nobody would be better off if the best team suddenly didn't compete
ebon geyser
i mean if is not your time is not your time
strong forum
There's a new team
In group B
Who actually beat them on time trials in gambit by 1second
They have a very good chance to give them a run for their money
blazing condor
i member echo losing cus they didn't pull all the dudes in the room in SD
cus they arent all chained
rookie mistake naowh get better lolmao
strong forum
Ya
strong forum
Also during group stages you're less likely to see close matches from the top places
blazing condor
TGP > MDI imo
strong forum
Yes the format is better
blazing condor
mdi is cool as shit the first times you see the dungeons
strong forum
And pretty much everybody hopes they change the format for mdi to that aswell
They've done it before
blazing condor
the great cope
strong forum
Remember that last stand tournament
blazing condor
no 
strong forum
Where the 3rd and 4th places of group stages had a TGP style mdi tournament
To decide the last 2 teams for mdi finals
I think it worked like that
blazing condor
oh yeah
strong forum
Ya it was 3 days a 5hrs of push this 18 to 22 then the 2 fastest teams got to play in finals
Okay 1 Team
That's how ambition got into finals
blazing condor
i mean thats cool
vernal vale
how do you check explosives in details
blazing condor
i have that explosives script
or you can go to damage taken and look at explosive orbs
strong forum
Enemy dmg taken*
vernal vale
well that explains why that necrotic wake was so fucked
only one killing explosives was myself and the demon hunter
strong forum
Well technically its better when only 1 max 2 people focus on orbs
vernal vale
i have that explosives script
where is that script i want it now
vernal vale
Well technically its better when only 1 max 2 people focus on orbs
resto druid healer, elemental shaman, and marksmen hunter where the other three
strong forum
Well okay the druid could've done it the easiest
vernal vale
with how many went off on pulls they should have been helping
strong forum
Cuz it is mainly healer job
vernal vale
thanks
lofty widget
anyone else mad about the re-enrage bug this week?
vernal vale
needless to say demon hunter was a dick left just in front of final boss with 2min left
blazing condor
cringe
lofty widget
ilvl>>>haste>>vers=>crit>mastery
vernal rain
ilvl>>>haste>>vers=>crit>mastery
Thank you, i'm seeing so many different stat weights online
lime urchin
Crit is your mistress
lean slate
How hard is it to learn prot compared to playing a blood dk?
They're completely different tanking styles right?
urban portal
Yeah
Blood is quite a bit better atm
But you are invincible to melees
So that's a plus
golden pollen
Bdk and prot plays very differently
Bdk feels more like u are reacting, prot warrior feels like unga bunga I see button I smash
blazing condor
only real difference is that bdk doesn't really mitigate and instead just heals the damage
whereas pwarr just straight up mitigates damage and doesn't "jump" as much in health
lean slate
Yeah, I wanna learn tanking on my specs so its easier to get into keys lol
strong forum
They're both equally hard to play optimally
They're the 2 hardest tanks to play
But bdk is a bit easier to do "good enough to get by" on, but has a very high skill ceiling especially with 4pc
median tulip
BDK specialise in giving your healers a heart attack
sick sentinel
bdk has a button that grabs an annoying caster, lifts it in the air to you, places it right infront of you and taunts it
nothing else i can really say
lean slate
Yeah but I wanna tank with a shield, never been able to mog bulwark or the hidden prot appearance before
golden pollen
At the end of the day, it's just which style u enjoy playing with more
I tried most tank other than pally n bear
Prot warrior feels good
median tulip
6
oh
7, then
Battle Shout, Rallying Cry, Last Stand, Demo Shout, Taunt, Challenging Shout and Banner
golden pollen
Avatar looks like a stone dude yelling as well
lean slate
I assume venthyr prot is not viable, right?
urban portal
That's the 5th affix
blazing condor
its the worst cov by miles
elfin surge
you didnt mention intimidating shout our fear
blazing condor
but you can still play it if absolutely needed
strong forum
Generally bdk and pwar play quite the same, it's just you press deathstrike after taking dmg and SB before
urban portal
you didnt mention intimidating shout our fear
Intim shout doesn't have a guy screaming
strong forum
Venthyr is almost good in raid, but in m+ you'll literally shoot yourself in the foot
lean slate
Yeah I figured as much
strong forum
It's the 1 cov you shouldn't play
urban portal
Venth has a niche in st if necro didn't exist
dawn canyon
The one cov that doesnt generate rage
waxen orbit
I assume venthyr prot is not viable, right?
You’ve just triggered a Winter Soldier episode in me
elfin surge
yeh sorry - its a stone fist with purple glow my bad
lean slate
You’ve just triggered a Winter Soldier episode in me
I didn't mean to 😦 I just love the coven as fury so much
waxen orbit
Lmao I’m playin
sick sentinel
revenge isn't yelling but its a face
strong forum
waxen orbit
Dwdw realistically you can play any cov for low/casual content and not worry ab it
Necrolord is just BIS
sick sentinel
i count 9 faces/yelling in my screenshot actionbars
blazing condor
they even removed the thunder effect
gotta glyph that stuff now
cringe!
they also killed glyphs
sick sentinel
revenge, avatar, demo, last stand, beserk, giga taunt, battle shout, rally
chrome falcon
@jagged pier are you guys skipping the 2nd reclaim? doesn't look like we have damage for it but not sure how bad that is
sick sentinel
kyrian there is a pepelagos thingy that if you face the image you get bonus effect
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> are you guys skipping the 2nd reclaim? doesn't look like w...
i think we are still trying to, but we changed phase 1 last raid
but i think thats still the idea
just adjusting to phase 1 again
👍
chrome falcon
we're at like 50% boss hp when reclaim starts but
we still suck dogshit in the intermission our bomb carriers do 0 damage
strong forum
generally not advised to run HR
its a niche talent to get +10-15% more SB uptime
youre literally losing a total of 40% avatar uptime and thus losing over 60% of the value of your 4pc
golden pollen
How much more revenge can get one get out of due to that 3 extra rage?
chrome falcon
avatar generates 60 rage
strong forum
well it generates 30 rage
strong forum
but youll lose alot of outbursts
golden pollen
Weird why some would take it
strong forum
to get block uptime
chrome falcon
because at high high high keys
golden pollen
Unless that SB is really needed
chrome falcon
an unblocked melee is your whole bar
strong forum
nah
chrome falcon
most of the people who play it shouldn't
lofty widget
nah
strong forum
otherwise BDKs would get 1shot
all the time when they dont parry an attack
same as pallys would get 1shot if they didnt rng block an attack
cuz they barely have more armor than we have baseline
BDK has less than half of the armor we do
urban portal
Oh do they not have the armor passive
golden pollen
Shield gives alot of armor as well right?
strong forum
i think with only shield alone
pwar has almost more armor than a bdk has
they get legit fuckall
golden pollen
Lol cept the bdk 4pc is too nice
golden pollen
Hopefully next tier set we'll have a more fun bonus
mighty egret
I think our tier set is pretty fun lol
chrome falcon
if you're not having fun with this bonus you're not playing it correctly
it's boring on the surface but there's actually a lot of thought that goes into it
mighty egret
Especially with necro
lofty widget
warr in 9.1 was very fun, 9.2 just made it ultra fun
chrome falcon
like if you're not paying attention to it it's just "oh i get a big slam every 20 seconds or something"
but when you're actually tracking it and playing around it
golden pollen
Compare to corruption tho?
chrome falcon
lol
strong forum
mighty egret
I really hope this play style sticks around in next expac talents
lofty widget
wdym, linking versatilex12 to get into the weekly 15 was super fun!
strong forum
sure TD procs were fun, but it has literally nothing to do with personal achievement or ability
topping DPS is fun
golden pollen
Seeing big number is fun
strong forum
but it doesnt have to be from fucking corruption
chrome falcon
you got big number in bfa by getting lucky corruption drops and lucky corruption procs
you get big number in 9.2 by being good at the game
people who prefer the bfa style are self-reporting
chrome falcon
yeah gave you that tiny flicker of "maybe i'll get something" from m+
same as titanforging
terrible for the game in so many ways though
strong forum
TFs issue was that you could get a max ilvl item from any content
they shouldve capped it at +15
and voila TF fixed
much much better than the current game
9.2 is out for over 2 months
and barely anybody is 278+
when in BFA you could be full mythic geared in like 3 weeks
without going absolutely dumbfuck nuts on keys
golden pollen
Titanforging wasn't a good concept I agree
ruby locust
On the topic of the tier set. It’s so fun when we were on mythic skolex prog last night I actually had to hold back cause my procs were hitting so hard I’d rip threat on accident
chrome falcon
yeah i'm also ripping threat if i get an outburst crit or something
kind of annoying
ruby locust
Yeah I felt bad our mt was like bruh let me have some threat 😂
What’s the highest you’ve seen it proc?
chrome falcon
no such thing as an mt anymore
if you're ripping threat you're the MT B)
i got a 60k, 70k is probably possible with a 278 sigil
ruby locust
My highest is about 58 k probably more if I had more vers
chrome falcon
(that's not counting pvp where i got a 67 with punish)
jagged pier
think i got 63K on halondrus
ruby locust
Also Honestly having the wall makes me feel better is that just me ? Like I enjoy reprisal too but only playing this class for like at most 5 weeks it just makes me feel safer
strong forum
its like a 1min CD if youre playing properly
if you dont ever intervene and charge, sure wall feels better 
but the wall is just inferior
lime urchin
Charge and intervene makes the spec worth playing imo
I am just a mere pleb playing prot warr but sweet baby Jesus it felt horrible to play back before reprisal came out..
strong forum
not horrible, but it covered our gaps
ill tell you whats horrible tho
not having Shield Slam rank 2
just sitting there having to wait for a full CD rotation of SS despite pressing TC revenge and devastator procs
lime urchin
Oh yes, you are working on your alt project
strong forum
my dps literally just tripled because of getting that rank
actually wild to realise that this entire spec revolves around shield slam resets
vernal vale
it sucks trying to get SS resets at any time
sometimes i swear they just dont happem
strong forum
idk it feels like i get them with almost every revenge cast
barely ever do you have to wait a full rotation
vernal vale
i just ran a dungeon and couldnt seem to get one multiple times
vernal vale
revenge RNG hates me apparently
strong forum
usually never more than 3gcds i go between SSs
lime urchin
Auto attacks also give SS procs, assuming you play devastator.
strong forum
on average every 2 gcds you get a reset
vernal vale
its funny because the dungeon before that i always seemed to have ss available
sweet summit
correct
urban portal
Mists first boss
vernal vale
zerker rage when someone misses a fear kick lol
urban portal
But yeah they just make a lot of fears "terrify" so beserker can't clear it
strong forum
feel like it should be a rage gen increase or smth
strong forum
vernal vale
usually never more than 3gcds i go between SSs
yeah that dungeon my SS casts where only 9CPM its super gross
strong forum
rng evens out across a key
vernal vale
I told you it was gross.
strong forum
thats just missing button presses
vernal vale
im still wasting a ton of rage in keys too which sucks
vernal vale
yeah that would do it
I'm attempting to smash down my rage waste but it just seems like it happens a lot in dungeons as things are going on.
strong forum
well its not that much missed rage
less than 5%
which isnt great
but ye
the thing that is more worrying is your rage gen
you generated 20k in 38min
i had a beyond ultra scuffed depleted shit soa
and generated 28k in 44min
(and only wasted 1k 
)
vernal vale
I'm dropping banner too often as well as i waste outburst on thunderclap too much
which is awful
strong forum
your ravager casts are also very low
it should be more ravagers used than minutes in the key
yet you only used 27 ravagers in 38min
when i used 50 in 44
chrome falcon
especially with urh
strong forum
which alot of just rage you didnt get
sick sentinel
is it possible to do high keys as prot warrior?
chrome falcon
yes
lofty widget
yes
chrome falcon
prot has done 26
sick sentinel
necro yeah?
vernal vale
which alot of just rage you didnt get
Hmm, im gonna have to pay more attention to ravager in dungeons. Typically i throw it on pull and forget to reset if the pull is long enough
Or its on CD from one pull and i never throw it when it comes back
strong forum
neverminding the fact that my key was 6min longer
you can see the rage between our avatars, ravager and banners is quite alot
i didnt use reprisal alot but didnt rly need it
TC actually aswell
vernal vale
I'm definitely just needing to push my cds more as a whole it looks like
vernal vale
i've overcompensated to not hit thunderclap to try and not waste it with tier
strong forum
without the need of wowhead spell datamining
vernal vale
i wish trinkets would be so clean now
opal escarp
is there any reason to run BSC once you get 4-piece? I assume for sustained dmg it would still be superior but maybe I'm wrong
onyx reef
So our tank is rerolling evoker next patch and I want to try tankign and going prot, should I go blood elf or highmountain? it says online both are good, highmountain gives a stun and vers, belf gives the aoe dispel, but not sure which would actually be better
onyx reef
vulp for the initial hit reduction? or is bag of tricks decent for once, when i made my vulpera back when it came out it was useless
strong forum
bag of tricks can save people from death, and has 40y range to pull mobs
and nose for trouble owns
with proper ilvl and stuff that shit [bag] can healcrit for 30k
this was just a shitter key of me being low ilvl
and nose did more than condensed
chrome falcon
sidenote if your tank has already decided they want to reroll evoker that's
fotm levels off the charts
strong forum
or a scalie
but yeah
evoker isnt gonna release for a minimum of 9 months
so already deciding to roll off of tank and you already researching is a tiny bit premature
strong forum
send him a ||bad dragon||
onyx reef
lewd
strong forum
i would never
onyx reef
when did they make thunder clap just be a stomp
and not do the blue lightnign
how cringe
chrome falcon
the lightning is a glyph
onyx reef
been a while since i played warrior if you couldnt tell lol
chrome falcon
i like the sound on the glyph version
strong forum
since the glyph is just 3 bad animated lightnitngs
chrome falcon
gets you some thunder for your clap
chrome falcon
crackling thunder visual should be baseline
strong forum
they should switch out thunderclap with warbreaker
onyx reef
ive never understood how people can play wow with audio on
onyx reef
even with my audio at like 5% i cant hear a single person doing call outs when i have game sounds on over all the various clashing and wooshing and all that shit of everyone in combat
mighty valley
maybe you have some kinda auditory focus issue, that sounds odd to me
like, when people are talking, the game sounds blur into the background for sure
onyx reef
i mean i am hard of hearing so its a lot going on with game sounds on
mighty valley
yeah that makes sense
onyx reef
its even worse when youre in melee, like when im on a ranged its not terrible because you might not be close enough to hear them all, but in melee you hear every single hitting the boss, clashes, etc etc etc
mighty valley
i don't get the people who play with really loud weakauras that continuously go SPOING DING SPOING SPOING like a slot machine
onyx reef
cant do it
chrome falcon
i just love listening to halondrus
chrome falcon
my unironic biggest disappointment this raid
is that you don't get to understand their speech
after you finish researching cyphers
feels like such an obvious thing to implement
dawn canyon
imagine if he said "crab crab"
chrome falcon
crab crab bloop bloop
dawn canyon
these are not the droids you're searching for
onyx reef
im convinced devastators proc is a lie, 20% chance per auto it says, ive had this thing for 7 levels so far and it hasnt procced once
mighty valley
what level are you now?
onyx reef
22 lol
strong forum
you cant get resets until level 28
strong forum
the tooltip just isnt really made for below level 28 from devastator
oversight on blizzards end
onyx reef
shouldnt it be 20% from devastator as soon as you take it, and then 30% from the 28 rank 3 upgrade?
strong forum
no
mighty valley
yeah i wouldn't take devastator while leveling tbh, if only so you actually have a button to press
strong forum
nah devastator is fine
from 28 onwards its gonna be smooth
but until then its a bit of a slog
mighty valley
def take war machine if you're actually questing for the run speed
strong forum
the only talent id pick for leveling specifically is dragon roar
for everything else just play the normal m+ talents
mighty valley
but in dungeons it's whatever, it's just pretty slow and dull until you get resets
strong forum
shouldnt it be 20% from devastator as soon as you take it, and then 30% from the...
devastator =/= devastate
thats the difference
devastate has 30% chance and does more dmg per cast
devastator has 20% chance but procs on every auto attack
but you cant get resets below shield slam rank 2
strong forum
it kinda is, its just shittly written on devastator
but if you read shield slam rank 2 tooltip it clearly states devastate
onyx reef
It doesn't read that it requires the rank 3 for resets to happen, it was my understanding that devastator would have actually gotten you the resets earlier
strong forum
yes
hence why i said its an oversight on blizzards end
the reset capabiltiy requires rank3, but blizz forgot to "remove" the reset chance text on devastator until that level
mighty valley
it's v awkward, they clearly designed it as basically "your auto attacks become devastate" but then had to rebalance the reset rate
and also you never used to be able to get it at that low a level
strong forum
its also not a high prio thing to fix, since youre only below level 28 for like... 3-4hrs
assuming casual play
sick sentinel
in a way i miss devestate filler but not really
bfa = press all the buttons pray something happens
strong forum
i still have devastate bound to 2
mighty valley
by the time you have any gear at all you never have time for devastate
but same, still have it bound, just in case
strong forum
just dont have anything worthwhile to replace it with
sick sentinel
1 was SS, tc was 2, devestate was 3, charge is 4
onyx reef
1 revenge 2 shield slam 3 charge 4 thunderclap 5 shockwave for me
sick sentinel
game put charge on 4 for me and i never questioned it, always been there
feels natural i think maybe
golden pollen
Talent into punish, hit those hard SS, but spam devastate all day lol
golden pollen
Do it for BG!
golden pollen
Prot ain't bad for wsg
golden pollen
Lol
dawn canyon
bonegrinder 
golden pollen
You'd think Blizzard would rebalance some talent in 9.2
strong forum
the only time youre gonna get actual class balancing, especially talents, is when a new expansion drops
onyx reef
blizzard will never buff a talent, only nerf every other talent until they all suck
golden pollen
They did a very good job with reprisal legendary thi
One would think they would continue that trend
chrome falcon
reprisal is very fun to play with yeah
it's too strong though
the fact that it fills in all our gaps means that we have too many gaps to begin with
strong forum
the fact that blizzard actually nerfed Unstoppable Force in 8.2 has been mindbogglingly correct
the 1 and only correct nerf they couldve done during BFA
without making pwar absolute trash
chrome falcon
rip deafening crash though it was nice not having to actually press demo shout
strong forum
and then they still nerfed pwar even tho we were gonna lose bom and vop
complete 180 of insight
strong forum
firemage still turned out to be OP in 9.0
chrome falcon
they lost those and got nerfed at the same time
well yeah that's the ultimate joke of it all lol
golden pollen
The fact that the people who do balancing at Blizzard gets away with things like that makes 0 sense to me lol
onyx reef
fire mage will always be op until you fundamentally change combustion and ignite
strong forum
i mean ignite has been changed
golden pollen
Firemage is fun tho
chrome falcon
combustion will always be strong in raiding just as "this thing needs to die now" very targeted burst
strong forum
it went from their main dmg, to absolutely irrelevent
chrome falcon
yeah ignite just isn't a thing anymore
strong forum
instead they left it uncapped
and gave them nightfae ability
so they could remove packs with firepatches and flamestrike spam
onyx reef
and the legendary that puts them into combustion after a hardcast pyroblast after consuming so many hot streaks
strong forum
well that wasnt played until 9.1.5
chrome falcon
yeah mage is pretty mid
strong forum
not great not terrible
chrome falcon
fire looks fun as shit rn though
onyx reef
tell that to imfiredup in raid prog
chrome falcon
so much combustion
strong forum
he was legit only there for int buff
chrome falcon
firedup literally got sat on LoD
mage is just an int buff and on the fight where int buff was useless they benched it
mighty valley
also most mages are not firedup
onyx reef
yall must have been watching a different halondrus fight than i was
sick sentinel
strong forum
mage is good, but nowhere whats its been in 9.0
sick sentinel
last time i played this was buttons i had bound
strong forum
or 9.1 for that matter
sick sentinel
bttom one is vertical one but i rotated it so it would be smaller image
strong forum
my SB bind is shift+4
🤷
and yogi has NA keyboard so i doubt that ` is on the far right
strong forum
bro that UI is pain
blizz borders are ugly
how is this OK MAN
thats a fucking bossfight
onyx reef
welcome to MDI those guys are all fucking insane
frosty ridge
bdk are super balanced
sick sentinel
brave stirrup
Do they usually do class tunings after mdi?
sick sentinel
latest known buttons
strong forum
but it irks me if BDK does literally 50-100% more dmg than other tanks
strong forum
Do they usually do class tunings after mdi?
no
onyx reef
i mean before it got nerfed into the ground, guardian druid 4 set would outdamage the entire rest of hte party combined
strong forum
only if theres an extreme outlier
well bears still do that
but not as frequently
bears got overnerfed actually
onyx reef
like always lol blizz can almost never correctly nerf something, they either giga overshoot or way undershoot
sick sentinel
pwar is like janitor or roady or something, cleans shit up in background if done correct barely even notice they are doing anything
its job gets no thanks but
if you play pwar correctly you won't take a fuck load of damage and position correctly and such
golden pollen
Isn't the the same for all tanks?
blazing condor
yes
there is no tank where you play correctly and still take a fuck load of damage and have poor positioning
echo egret
Slimy Organ : worth anything ?
mighty valley
giga no
mighty valley
IQD isn't the worst but it's inconsistent
chrome falcon
IQD dogshit
echo egret
Anima Field Emiter in raids maybe ? certainly not in M+
mighty valley
AFE alright, makes you learn how to not move around too much for absolutely no reason
echo egret
I have all these at 262 - next choice is 252 Pocket Protoforge
1st trinket is 278 scale
echo egret
My keys are 17-18s
mighty valley
eh a little burst threat is nice for NL, let your dps pop off
uncut notch
Yo i know im smoothbrain as fuck but i genuinely cant figure out what CWD is
chrome falcon
control wheel down
livid hamlet
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xQRyTwAN2qhfgkJH
Hello everyone, I've been struggling here keeping up with pro CPMs, with pretty much everything (i.e. Ignore Pain, Revenge, Shield Slam, etc.). I still feel like I'm playing piano or like I'm going to get carpel tunnel 5 years from now, and yet I can't keep up. One of the problems I've identified: I know that I can hit all things not on the global cooldown at the same time with something on the global cooldown(i.e. Avatar + Shield Block + Ignore Pain + Shield Slam), but I only have so many fingers. Is there an optimal setup or some kind of addon that helps with this kind of thing? I'm sure this isn't the only thing wrong that I'm doing, but I suspect it's a big one. Thanks in advance!
mighty valley
What're your keybinds like? Definitely helps to make sure all those buttons aren't too far apart, don't require a shift+button etc
Honestly so long as you're not making things overly hard for yourself it's just practice, a lot of the off GCD casts become basically automatic with time
Your blocked hits aren't bad so you're not doing too bad, and you're not bleeding a TON of rage, so I wonder what's happening... do you ever have GCD gaps?
Also like... this is the current highest CPM spec in the game right now so a part of this is just to be expected
frosty ridge
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xQRyTwAN2qhfgkJH
Hello everyone, I've been ...
the best thing I've done is identifying abilities that are good for mouse buttons. specifically it's good for off GCD abilities, like ignore pain. so my ignore pain is mousewheeldown for example, it frees up your left hand to continue rotation without any distractions.
chrome falcon
Honestly it's just practice practice practice I'm afraid, you'll see up as you go. Everyone's set up is different so it's literally just what works for you
An MMO mouse helps so much, if you don't have access to one of those I think prot warrior is actually just unplayable
hard vessel
I play with a shooter mouse with 2 extra buttons and have IP on Q
frosty ridge
I just have 2 side buttons, and 1 extra on top, below the wheel. that's more than enough with few modifiers
hard vessel
So easy playable without to a decent lvl : 22s+ keys
chrome falcon
@livid hamlet but yeah if it feels like you're playing piano and just spamming insanely hard that's because you are, optimal CPM is something like 85-90
because yeah uh, 30 avatar casts in a 38 minute dungeon is extremely low
It should probably be like 50
hard vessel
Smash buttons harder by practice
chrome falcon
Oh sorry 35 minute dungeon, so maybe more like 45
livid hamlet
thanks for the input everyone, these are my current binds
I will take a look at my mouse options
chrome falcon
whatever works for you works for you but i would say that your mouse wheel up/down are very VERY valuable binds
you're pressing conqueror's banner once every 2 minutes (or maybe even less) AND it's on the GCD
so imo you're wasting mouse up
livid hamlet
good point
frosty ridge
of course everyone has their own setups, that is not in question, but there are certain rule-sets for specific things that will objectively improve your play. and there are bad habits that will make it worse
dawn canyon
shieldslam must be on your most comfortable button
chrome falcon
anything you're pressing OFTEN and off GCD should be very easy to press so personally i like to play with charge without a modifier
dawn canyon
thats all i think matters
chrome falcon
whereas intervene is on a modifier because i press it much less often
also i literally don't know what the icon on ` is but i find that to be a really, really useful bind (but i'm left handed so ymmv)
i also don't know what that bind on wheel down is actually
livid hamlet
it's my mount lol
chrome falcon
haha fair enough
i have mount on F which is like so bad in terms of actual efficiency in combat but
i can't get used to it anywhere else
i would definitely put something actually useful on wheel up and down
frosty ridge
yeah F is prime real-eastate button. really bad using it on non combat things like mounts
chrome falcon
personally i have leap on mouse up and kick on mouse down
frosty ridge
I got my mount on ctrl+space few xpacs ago
chrome falcon
those are two buttons i want to have access to without having to worry about anything else
yeah honestly
frosty ridge
now I'm kinda thinking maybe I should use ctrl+space in combat too lol
chrome falcon
i'm just going to copy that right now
i have no problems with my current setup but somethings gotta go on f
dusty stump
Is the Codex of the 1st Technique a good trinket for M+?
livid hamlet
control space is genius
chrome falcon
yeah Mordev if you're pushing hard it's very good defensively and ok for damage
chrome falcon
if you're doing low keys it's still good defensively but will do shit damage
dusty stump
understand thanks
chrome falcon
but yeah IMO abilities with short cooldowns that are off-gcd should be very easy to press
i wouldn't personally use a button like T for a trinket with a 2 minute CD for example, i think scale is on ctrl+3 or something and i have taunt on T
you could also macro last stand into conqueror's banner for easier access
i have LS+Faulty countermeasure+avatar+banner all macro'd into one thing for when i'm pulling with everything up for example
frosty ridge
fuck I always forget to use Last Stand offensively... but I hate macro'ing stuff like that together
chrome falcon
yeah i get you
it's not technically optimal but
95% of the time you're gonna want to LS with banner
maybe even 99% of the time i can't think of whne you wouldn't do that
frosty ridge
yea makes sense
livid hamlet
didn't know that, thanks
frosty ridge
also what do you think of my thunder clap prevention technique
when outburst active
frosty ridge
yea gotta work on that, sometimes stacks go over too fast and I'm busy pumping
chrome falcon
yeah Law LS is so absolutely dogshit as a defensive CD
that you literally just use it for more rage
so more banner
lofty widget
just view LS as a pseudo-incarn, then you want to press that shit on cd
vernal vale
No more raid tanking for me. Officially a dungeon guy.
frosty ridge
guild drama?
vernal vale
Ultimately yeah. Told not to push shield slam and that I'm focusing too much on damage.
frosty ridge
not how it works for tanks, if we're doing our defensive rotation properly we're gonna do good dmg
guess they don't understand it
chrome falcon
yeah dame i dunno man your guild leadership and co-tank sound like a group of things that i'm not supposed to say
frail dagger
Is necro that much better than kyrian?
chrome falcon
i've been playing necro since 9.1 when it was fine but now it's so much better
necro fucks hard
it's not like miles ahead of kyrian, if you're just trying to blast a weekly 15 kyrian can pump hard
but necro is utterly unkillable unless you're bad
and does comparable if not better damage when played well
vernal vale
yeah dame i dunno man your guild leadership and co-tank sound like a group of th...
I decided even not finding a replacement it's better to just not raid at this point
sick sentinel
m+ > raid when it comes to tanking imo
frosty ridge
I'd disagree hard. when you're finally in a good guild it's night and day, you might feel differently about raiding
chrome falcon
yeah but after a dogshit guild experience there's no harm in taking a break
latent pier
Ultimately yeah. Told not to push shield slam and that I'm focusing too much on ...
you wanna tell the idiot how rage works
sick sentinel
is cool asf
latent pier
then move to a less shit guild? I doubt some fucking idiot who doesn't know how your tank's abilities works is going to prog very far.
chrome falcon
the idea that pressing SS is "focusing on damage" is fucking hilarious though
sick sentinel
exactly
chrome falcon
the temptation to hunt down your leadership and flame them until i run out of breath and pass out is really getting to me but i'll resist
chrome falcon
even I'M not cringe enough to do that
frosty ridge
they wouldn't notice
chrome falcon
nah i would just go ape mode and rip aggro during every combo and flame the shit out of the co-tank for losing threat
latent pier
STOP DOING DAMAGE COTANK
chrome falcon
(this might be why i had to found my own raid team instead of joining someone elses')
frosty ridge
I'd just leave and find a competent guild
vernal vale
I'm taking a break from raiding just to get back enjoyment. I'll have to pug AOTC is the big annoyance.
chrome falcon
you're NA right dame?
vernal vale
Yeah NA alliance
frosty ridge
oof
chrome falcon
sucks i'd bring you to a jailer rekill otherwise
frosty ridge
yea alliance is hard for good raiding guilds I guess
latent pier
My favorite is when you're blamed for dying when that's usually the other tank's fault for not taunting.
frosty ridge
but 9.2.5 should be better with cross faction?
latent pier
Also, I've had 4set all week but I'm kinda finally playing it, love it on prot
vernal vale
sucks i'd bring you to a jailer rekill otherwise
I appreciate the thought lol
vernal vale
but 9.2.5 should be better with cross faction?
I very possibly have a friends horde guild I will be able to raid with then.
frosty ridge
that's great
chrome falcon
but yeah your parses are very solid and any guild who looks at your kills where you have like
3 dps doing blue dps, 4 doing green and 8 doing grey
and your co-tank doing grey
is definitely going to believe you when you say your previous guild was dogshit
ruby locust
Alliance is hard to find a good guild I’m one of the lucky ones even though I’m still a trial the let me get back into tanking after almost a year break. This goes back to earlier comments when we were talking about threat and outburst shield slams would just rip threat.
frosty ridge
I wouldn't go out of your way doing toxic shit before leaving tho, because that can only do you potential harm on the future guild hunt. just not worth it at all
ruby locust
Sounds like they deserve it tbh host
dawn canyon
Yall were great but it's drawing me elsewhere typa comment
frosty ridge
you'll feel good for 1min and it could bite you in the ass
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno host is definitely in the right but
dawn canyon
Dont call em jerks who knows who gets to know of it
chrome falcon
they told him not to shield slam, man
that's like
that's fucked up, yknow?
like shit man
frosty ridge
it is fucked up, but then didn't do anything personal. they're just morons
just leave them in the dust
latent pier
It's like telling a bear not to thrash
ruby locust
Like take time to research classes before insulting what is quite frankly a hard thing to find a good tank
A good warrior at that
frosty ridge
best revenge - progress way further without them
latent pier
My situation is more awkward, I want to leave my guild because they are really bad at mechanics and are progging way too slow, but like, they're nice. :(
chrome falcon
he's purple on every kill and the rest of his guild is green or lower
they're probably just projecting insecurities
yeah sai that's the worst
i have the same problem with raiders lol
frosty ridge
My situation is more awkward, I want to leave my guild because they are really b...
that's very common. I was with a guild like that in Wrath. at some point you have to bite the bullet and just leave them for good prog, or you'll be unhappy for years
vernal vale
I'm gonna focus on playing the class better through dungeons for now. If I can improve more I'll be happy.
ruby locust
best revenge - progress way further without them
Something I did when I was told I couldn’t tank cause I wasn’t meta now I’m 2/11 mythic and they are still on heroic anduin
frosty ridge
I learned my lesson hard
when we didn't kill Lich by the end
still haunts my dreams
vernal vale
My situation is more awkward, I want to leave my guild because they are really b...
I made that move once back in cataclysm. Sucked to leave good people but I got the kills I wanted.
frosty ridge
and I know I already had skill back then to easily kill him
ruby locust
That’s how I got into the situation of not tanking for a year and had to shivers dps
frosty ridge
I never compromise for things like that, if I'm not having fun then what's the point of playing
vernal vale
I'm willing to dps right now but guilds that where recruiting didn't want melee warrior with no fury logs.
frosty ridge
so it's only tanking, and only the specs I like (never bdk/pally basically)
chrome falcon
you could always hit your guild with the "if my tanking is causing issues i could always dps for a reclear and see how it goes" dame
dawn canyon
This sounds smart
frosty ridge
you could always hit your guild with the "if my tanking is causing issues i coul...
wat, don't make him go back to that guild
or you're saying new guilds
ruby locust
you could always hit your guild with the "if my tanking is causing issues i coul...
Nah cause then you get a. Replacement tank that’s bad and you’re like me thinking I could tank circles around this dick weasel
chrome falcon
well if he's trying to get himself some logs and hasn't left then 🤷♂️
true alex i tried dpsing for a tier so i could focus on callouts when i got sick and couldn't play at 100% efficiency and it took like 3 bosses for me and the new tank to clash so badly that he ragequit
can't handle not tanking, even in just a weekly key i cannot physically make myself dps
vernal vale
you could always hit your guild with the "if my tanking is causing issues i coul...
I thought about that but ultimately I will just be annoyed as the gm will be tanking then and he's a demon hunter which is oof
ruby locust
true alex i tried dpsing for a tier so i could focus on callouts when i got sick...
I hate to dps people say that tanking is stressful I find it relaxing and dps is thickle and cut throat
frosty ridge
the only time I dps'd in wow was in feral doing mage tower for a cat skin
latent pier
thing is if you're trying to log, your guild being scuffed actively hurts that.
chrome falcon
sai is also very correct
latent pier
I've had some potential 99s kinda ruined due to the fact we're carrying 4 people who can't do 7k and the strats can get scuffy.
chrome falcon
parsing HC is 100% reliant on the rest of your dps also being pumpers
frosty ridge
yep
latent pier
Demon hunters shouldn't be called tanks, they're more like a coward with benefits
frosty ridge
at least on DH they won't have problem with too much tank dmg
latent pier
isnt' their damage the best
sturdy sable
Bdk
frosty ridge
not in ST
aoe they're good
in ST I'm ripping aggro from DH co-tank easily, but when he goes on his BDK it's the other way around now with 4p
vernal vale
I have SoD logs from last tier for fury but people want current logs.
frosty ridge
(I'm on brew progging)
vernal vale
I had some good parses last tier as dps too at the end of the day but I would have preferred tanking.
frosty ridge
so tank. don't compromise your fun in a game, otherwise what's the point
dawn canyon
can't handle not tanking, even in just a weekly key i cannot physically make mys...
Seismic and you are dps
vernal vale
so tank. don't compromise your fun in a game, otherwise what's the point
Even when I've been a dps for raid spot I consider myself main spec tank. Hence why I ran single minded fury until I got jaithis last tier.
Only way I'll ever even consider calling myself main spec dps would be if we get gladiator back
I have a reason to push it
Ignore the fact that there was almost no one playing it lol
chrome falcon
yeah i honestly forgot gladiator was a thing for all of wod
didn't blizzard nerf it and basically say "yeah this was a mistake but we're not replacing the talent mid-expansion, just don't play the spec anymore please"
vernal vale
They did nerf it mid highball.