That is the fun of it.
#protection
lyric geode
oblique garnet
Dont move so much
dawn canyon
press w only in key
oblique garnet
š
sturdy sable
Yeah this weekend ill keep xymox in the middle the entire fight
lyric geode
cant complain about moving boss if hes always moving
This guy gets it.
sturdy sable
Big brain
lyric geode
You pressed wild spirits while I was moving the mobs and you want me to bring them back to wild spirits? Your problem that you are impatient
strange lintel
You pressed wild spirits while I was moving the mobs and you want me to bring th...
I wait till I see wildspirits cuz fuck hunters
What are they gonna do? Steal my agro?
lyric geode
Hunter's tears taste the best.
sturdy sable
Lmao
strange lintel
I am a true believer of equal treatment.if they want to tank who em I to judge em
lyric geode
I am a true believer of equal treatment.if they want to tank who em I to judge e...
Indeed, but these fuckers can MD you and pull the entire dungeon with the raid bosses on you.
strange lintel
tsk
sick sentinel
Hunter's tears taste the best.
no i like hunter alot
i'm watching the MDI, monk takes alot of dmg twice now dead to trash :S
lyric geode
Haha, so funny seeing bdk topping dmg meters.
uncut notch
Productive day!
dawn canyon
big
vernal vale
I should push towards keystone hero.
ebon geyser
opal escarp
hey what cd combo do you guys use for rygelon soak?
chrome falcon
shield wall
opal escarp
lmao
y you seem to have it for every one, just curious what other combo's are used/work
chrome falcon
nope just shield wall
you can DS too if you want and hit some IPs
but shield wall is enough
wicked ridge
278
blazing condor
i got 3k but i aint got anything š¦
wicked ridge
you buy an item from the rep vendor
jagged pier
U have to buy them
blazing condor
o
wicked ridge
and use it at ur forge thing
blazing condor
covenant rep vendor?
wicked ridge
i think so iirc
blazing condor
okidoki
wicked ridge
have to buy it again and use it again for each cov u use as well
torpid junco
Is necro > Kyrian a for sure thing at this point ?
dawn canyon
yes
robust rover
Went Seismic for the first time. Crazy damage. If I want to run this more, does Necro still make sense considering I will probably generate less rage?
urban portal
i dont think its significantly less?
chrome falcon
necro makes seismic better
robust rover
š
torpid junco
Is seismic the play for smashing 15s?
chrome falcon
yeah
vestal moat
Is necrolord better than kyrian for individual damage ? Cause f my group in pugs most of the time they didnāt even know what the banner is
torpid junco
Whatās the best M+ trinket for pure damage ? For keys
vestal moat
I like OPC
blazing condor
the Wo skip in DoS is op i stg
timed that 21 with like 22 deaths and two big wipes
livid dagger
How low of a key do do you think is okay to use seismic this week?
Without straight trolling
mighty valley
completely depends on your group + gear
livid dagger
Group that theoretically is normally running 20 as their highest keys; all 4pc, 270 mosh ilvl
mighty valley
I guess I'd just start off doing some 15s for vault and go up from there
livid dagger
We are doing a in guild MDI type competition and starting a key at a 12 in different groups and blasting it up as high as we can to in a 3 hour window
mighty valley
Seismic is less of a dps bump than last season since reprisal's rage gain fuels our whole thing
sick sentinel
By haramad on 2021/04/19 (Patch 9.0.5)
Pugged every single run, and at last, today the 15 keys have fallen. Features of this expansion made me switch to Protection Warrior, still had fun. And pain :DI think, studying routes and tricks of every dungeon at an academic level to be viable as a tank is a bit too much for mid-casual players.
mighty valley
Hard to tell, I haven't messed around with it a lot, but I'd think you'd go kyr/NF and seismic in the 12 and see how it goes for the science
sick sentinel
found a comment on wowhead about the state of 9.0.5 pwar looking up the current mount for KSM
blazing condor
How low of a key do do you think is okay to use seismic this week?
i would say anythign up to 20 is fine
livid dagger
Iāve never actually used seismic before, is the idea just to hard mash revenge?
blazing condor
kinda but you wanna make sure you dont lose out on your SS casts
cus you need the rage from it
revenge procs SS so you kinda gotta alternate
its easy to get greedy and just spam revenge whenever you can but
toxic pewter
who should be killing explosives in a key
and be as objective as possible
and dont say 'everyone'
hybrid tinsel
what's the consensus on spending outbursts on? tc in aoe for damage, or still ss for rage?
uncut notch
Gambit routes boys
Wo skip still the key?
I seem to struggle to get the % up in time
Consistently 2-3 mins over
blazing condor
and dont say 'everyone'
Its literally everyones job. But some roles should do it at different times. If you just started a fight and dps is bursting CDs then it shouldnt be their prio
At the end of the day the healer is probably best to deal with it
toxic pewter
Its literally everyones job. But some roles should do it at different times. If ...
I decided it is dps job
ya healer too
tank I got too much shit going on
I am leading the team over here
blazing condor
I seem to struggle to get the % up in time
I take the top route and skip normally using invis
One big pull with BL for first three packs (first left and two front)
Then just go top
toxic pewter
what u mean top
toxic pewter
oh
toxic pewter
i go along the beach
uncut notch
i go along the beach
Many totems tho
toxic pewter
but that one back with two white murlocs is tough
uncut notch
Big annoying
blazing condor
Just make sure you get around 50%
toxic pewter
is top rouete better
blazing condor
Then u can skip
toxic pewter
yeah good point
blazing condor
I prefer top route
toxic pewter
is that better than just doing murlocs after final boss
blazing condor
I think it is
toxic pewter
except first packs
blazing condor
Cus you get BL on cd
uncut notch
Gonna draw something up in MDT and have a crack
toxic pewter
seems a bit more complicated for pug tho
blazing condor
You can normal invis
To first boss
Thats what i do
My 50% ends right outside the gate
But im no gambit master
But works fine for me
mighty valley
i like a super big BL pull
then a wo pull
go boss
lust 2nd boss
kill last boss
clean up %
toxic pewter
is it better to charge and revenge vs charge and thunder clap?
for attaining aggro immediately
chrome falcon
well
marsh narwhal
revenge since u get it empowered one
chrome falcon
you could press the button that does damage
or the button that does 0 damage
the choice is yours to make
median tulip
I tend to hold the Revenge until after I shield slam
mighty valley
i'm usually pressing avatar on pull so really don't want to blow that on tc
toxic pewter
I will be honest: sometimes lately I have lost aggro
i am not proud to say it
but I think its because fuckin thunder clap sucks ass
i have been doing my opener wrong this whole time
can someone spell out the opener for me
i am emarrased even to ask
but I swallowing my pride
median tulip
It does; I wish it had an aggro multiplier like it used to
chrome falcon
there is no "opener"
revenge does damage so if you want to get aoe threat press revenge
median tulip
can someone spell out the opener for me
I do Charge > Avatar > Shield Slam> Revenge > Banner
toxic pewter
can you tell me your most common sequence you press for the following abilities:
avatar
conquerors banner
ravager
demoralizing shout
chrome falcon
avatar is off the GCD so
median tulip
You can throw Ravager pre-charge
toxic pewter
true...
median tulip
so you press during charge right
Yes
toxic pewter
but then again i feel like im missing dmg from demo shout
chrome falcon
if you're scared about dropping threat you probably shouldn't press DS during your opener
north rampart
when you have to pull a spread out pack but ravager is on cooldown
chrome falcon
you shouldn't run BV at all if you're scared about threat
north rampart
and the mage nukes the furthest mob from you
toxic pewter
is losing threat always the tanks fault or is there anything the dps is doing or not doing that is part of the problem
chrome falcon
unless your DH is literally Hunting as their first global while you charged in
it's your fault
urban portal
Itās both
And hunt isnāt their strongest global
They could stop dam
But you need to be picking up mobs asap
chrome falcon
if your first global is a BSC empowered revenge with avatar up and you already have ravager running
urban portal
Then you arenāt pumping
toxic pewter
but sometimes shit goes down
chrome falcon
you're not dropping threat
north rampart
what do you think about a macro to put an x on whatever mob you charge so people know not to nuke the wrong guy?
chrome falcon
that
is a huge amount of optimism
we're talking about dps players here
they're not paying attention to anything
toxic pewter
true
north rampart
yea this is true, when i play dps i lose 15 iq and gain a bad case of tunnel vision
toxic pewter
what are yall least favorite shadowlands dungeon to tank
i do not like de other side
toxic pewter
yes spires is tough
north rampart
aprecciate how quick halls and mists are
toxic pewter
what do you think of shadowlands dungeons in general
i think they are my least fav dungeons of any expansion almost
i do not like any of them much
strange lintel
bfa dungeons werent much better since the premise was terrible
toxic pewter
i still liked them more than sl
north rampart
waycrest manner was dope
toxic pewter
ya waycrest was cool as heck
strange lintel
none of the dungeons in shadowlands feel horrible like
underrot
or boralus
well maybe plaguefall
urban portal
Plaguefall is too messy
torpid junco
Which shield should I dump valor into?
chrome falcon
whichever one you have?
torpid junco
I have all of them at 262
nocturne sage
can someone explain how to take all the tank mechanics on heroic lihuvim? i'm not understanding how to take the tank buster stuff
chrome falcon
you have 2 options
you can taunt swap during the combo
or you can just tank the whole combo with shield wall+demo shout+ignore pains
nocturne sage
that is what i was trying to figure out, not taunt swap, thank you!
chrome falcon
yeah i don't personally like taunt swapping
even on mythic i was able totank every combo by just
pressing shield wall and chilling
nocturne sage
its been getting hairy on the swap for me, the other tank isn't on the ball with it and i saw someone said you can solo it as a warrior
so i take it that you use wall over reprisal?
chrome falcon
eh i mean
you could
i didn't
if you just alternate which tank solos the combo
it's super easy to have SW up
nocturne sage
makes sense, esp with 4 set necro
chrome falcon
yeah
and the fight does 0 to tanks other than combo
you dump all your CDs into it and it does 0 damage
then 2 minutes later
you dump all your CDs into it and it does 0 damage
nocturne sage
hm, if it's like that i wonder if its possible to tank all the combos with wall?
chrome falcon
nah
i mean you could tank all the combos regardless
wall+SR one then DS+fleshcraft+SR the next
rinse repeat
that fight would be solo tankable if not for the bombs
it's probably solo tankable anyway but you lose more dps than you gain from the boss running into bombs
nocturne sage
i was thinking swap after the combo?
chrome falcon
sure doesn't matter
nocturne sage
so you don't lose uptime
chrome falcon
swap after your combo or just prefer your co-tank
you're swapping for bombs anyway
nocturne sage
sorry, just thinking out loud to try it since tonight is my raid night haha
mighty valley
i presume BDKs can also solo it fine?
chrome falcon
dunno what they'd press but yeah
golden pollen
Even without tier set, should I spam revenge like crazy?
vernal vale
Even without tier set, should I spam revenge like crazy?
yes
can reset shield slam which will equal more rage
urban portal
i presume BDKs can also solo it fine?
i think blood has less access to huge drs
rune tap isnt very strong
and icebound is kind of a long cd
tho not sure
mighty valley
i guess we'll keep doing it the normal way
mighty valley
people assume "does something i'm not used to" with "oh no this person doesn't know how to play"
sometimes it's worth sucking it up and doing a suboptimal meta path just because you can be more sure people will know how to do it and not freak out
ruby locust
quick question do we have a cap on haste and how is crit for us as a whole cause my sims are telling me to completely reenchant and gem everything to crit atm im at about 33% haste without into the fray
chrome falcon
crit is good for damage
but your current haste amount is good you should probably keep it u
ruby locust
i switched around a ring so i could be around 18% crit and 31% haste without fray
vernal vale
I'm really having issues with rage management in dungeons.
On bosses for raid stuff I don't waste much anymore but dungeons just prove rough for some reason.
mighty valley
Dungeons just throw up more random situations where raids get pretty under control
It's really just about being aware of your rage flow
Like, if you're in a high rage income time, you can just be mashing IP because you're not gonna get starved
You're losing most from shield slams
Which means you just gotta be aware of seeing red building up and emptying in advance
vernal vale
Yeah, I definitely feel like I'm wasting more with tier because of that.
We missed to many explosives in that run as well. Which always instigated panic mode and I start just making errors.
sacred timber
I mean, 40% share of CC, 50% of interrupts, and most healing 
could barely dps cause I was losing so much health
frosty holly
pugs and their shitty interrupts is why lately I've started playing prot pala way more. So much interrupt control
Ended a ToP with 75+ interrupts while second wasn't even at 20 ;_;
nocturne sage
on heroic anduin, do the little adds during intermission target ranged specifically?
timber lagoon
anyone ever see the enraged spirits in DoS go into insta rage? like skip the mask cast. Ive seen it a couple times but dont know what causes it
delicate iron
Were you kiting it? I've heard if it doesn't melee anything for a while then its cast sequence can be affected. It could be lies though
blazing condor
Beak slice is a boring ass debuff that lasts too long
uncut notch
Can we talk about bonespear pls
I feel like it should be interveneable
But it never works
Am I bad at timing or does it not ācountā
blazing condor
That shit should never be allowed to cast tbh
Has like a 5 sec cast time
And trucks
But yeah idk if its melee in the sense that you can intervene it
mighty valley
it's a spell not a "ranged attack"
it's not super consistent but
generally if it has a long interruptible cast bar like that, it can't be intervened
uncut notch
;_;
But its throwing a big thingy
Blizz why š¦
Is this just a flat DR
Im not currently using it but lets say i was, if i intervened someone and they got hit by idk a frostbolt, would that frostbolt do 20% less damage, or is it still only the physical
uncut notch
That shit should never be allowed to cast tbh
Also - Is this kind of the route you take? tried to dodge the sticks where possible and skips the first relic guy in Soleahs room
civic torrent
what level key
uncut notch
Just in general, 15-20
civic torrent
The meta has kinda evolved a bit
uncut notch
I'm losing so much time on the shoreline route
raven hatch
Can we talk about bonespear pls
bone spear is interveneable
remember you have to stay within 10 yds of the person you intervened
civic torrent
Do a giga pull off rip, if its Fort, Lust.
Take the closest pack (you've marked it as pull 2), take Wo, Skip all the way to Hylbrande
Kill Hylbrande, if its Tyran, Lust.
Proceed as usual, at the end take the portal back to Stormheim and kill murlocs for %
uncut notch
Do a giga pull off rip, if its Fort, Lust.
Take the closest pack (you've marked ...
That was like the week one strat
civic torrent
The guardians down to Hylbrande are awful
uncut notch
but im genuinely just not getting back into the murlocs with enough time
so debating giving something else a spin
civic torrent
up to you, either pull bigger or get bigger dam dealers
uncut notch
Its honestly just the fish sticks slowing it down massively
feels like the last few mobs take a decade
civic torrent
Fear, Storm Bolt, Shockwave
With plater you can make their names pop out in the nameplate stack
and auto respond when they cast it
uncut notch
You run storm bolt?
uncut notch
hmmmmmmmm
civic torrent
if u have smart dps, they can do it
but why not just play to succeed
you dont need the extra charge
on those murloc pulls
cos they die so quick
if the way ur not timing the key is fish sticks
then u can take SB
mighty valley
double time overrated tbh, it's nice but not totally essential
and if you ever groan and say "i wish the dps had stunned that"
well, that could be you
uncut notch
Double time is cosy and warm
mighty valley
fish sticks aren't tho
uncut notch
and I cry when i play fury and dont have it
mighty valley
tbh i'm more likely to take it on fury, depending on the group
on demand stuns save keys
mighty valley
oh I see
civic torrent
My 2c is that you're more likely to succeed with SB over DT in a key, but DT is mint for reprisal
they are both very good
But if the point of failure is stunning
then it's a no brainer
mighty valley
yeah
if you 100% trust your group and they have cc they can use without giving up much, hell yeah, let them handle it
but otherwise sb can save the day
lyric geode
My recommendation for m+
Kyrian for damage for you.
NF for a bit less dmg but cc and mob control.
Necro for buffying your teammates and less powerful than NF and Kyrian.
Use NF or Kyrian on pugs. Necro on premade
blazing condor
Also - Is this kind of the route you take? tried to dodge the sticks where possi...
Nope not really. Im not home for a while but i can send it later
empty spindle
dawn canyon
aegis ows is a good bet
median tulip
From the current tier the First Technique, Secret Technique, AFE, Scale and Sigil are all strong trinkets
echo egret
Can all the murlocs cast the Fishsticks or only certain ones ? MDT lists the spell on all of them.
median tulip
Can all the murlocs cast the Fishsticks or only certain ones ? MDT lists the spe...
Just the Scalebinders AFAIK
echo egret
The spell itself is "Fish Invigoration" right ?
jagged pier
Scale is not strong in m+
tame jasper
Also - Is this kind of the route you take? tried to dodge the sticks where possi...
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every pull only 1 fish stick and then WO to 1st boss
echo egret
Where do you get your WO rune on that route ?
uncut notch
Scale is not strong in m+
Idk man saves my ass on the reg
uncut notch
oh yeah sigil sucks
uncut notch
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Are you doing this in one pull or like, drip feeding them in
ive had pugs drag the upstairs mobs in on pull and it can get very hectic
jagged pier
thats the only way i do the pull
lofty widget
wouldnt pull the 2 small pirates tho, 0 count
sick sentinel
aegis ows is a good bet
9.1 trinkets 
blazing condor
Small pirates nah
Otherwise yes
Be wary tho Cus that pack hurts
The haymakers on enraged brute dudes truck
And yet again one of those lovely designs where if you kite them theyāll knock the closest melee tf up
tame jasper
Are you doing this in one pull or like, drip feeding them in
In one way, but yeah the 2 smalies with 0 count not
sick sentinel
And yet again one of those lovely designs where if you kite them theyāll knock t...
can vouch as warrior dps
hard vessel
Be wary tho Cus that pack hurts
It doesn't hurt at all up to 22, kick bolts and free pack
exotic belfry
Can i tank with pvp gear? And should i then get pvp gear with haste or crit?
lofty widget
if it's higher ilvl than your alternatives, sure. and go for haste
exotic belfry
Okay Thanks!
wide charm
Hey what covenant are we playing in m+ ? kyrian or necro ?
lofty widget
necro with 2pc/4pc, kyrian before then
urban portal
POV no one was a mouse over macro
timber slate
WW be like ''i only care about parsing""
urban portal
He doesnāt even lose damage from hitting it
median tulip
Windwalkers actually gain damage from killing explosives; it counts as an extra enemy damaged for the thing that increases their spinning damage
lofty widget
median tulip
So your WW there is not only a parsewhore, he's a stupid parsewhore
torpid junco
what M+ trinket would you recommend for prot warrior for pure damage in keys?
dawn canyon
low key seismic can use opc
urban portal
Windwalkers actually *gain* damage from killing explosives; it counts as an extr...
Not rly
Explosives don't spawn often enough during low target counts
And during high counts you have mobs to hit anyways
lofty widget
hmm, it's not worth gemming haste above 40 % is it?
strong forum
no
youll lose 20% of the socket if you do that
youll lose literally 3 haste per socket
strong forum
jagged pier
blazing condor
marsh narwhal
in a raid encounter how much do i execute
strong forum
as much as you can
marsh narwhal
like do i replace revenge or i do like 1 of each
strong forum
theres no point to use revenge
in execute range you stop using IP and stop using revenge
strong forum
execute does more dmg on 1 target than revenge does on 3
marsh narwhal
sounds about all i needed to know
jagged pier
i wondered why u were online
mighty valley
the all heirloom drip
strong forum
i wanna swap back to dwarf so bad
jagged pier
soon tm
chrome falcon
also execute is both a generator and a spender so it's even more good
mighty valley
my only dream for the talent trees is glory banner + condemn
dawn canyon
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not a real dwarf smh (i wouldnt wanna do exiles reach one more time either)
blazing condor
<@186864948343865344> https://i.imgur.com/sBXlYI3.png
Holy 
blazing condor
Literal god
blazing condor
honestly same
i dont even have all allied horde races
unless they auto-unlocked now ? not even sure
dont have nightborne
strong forum
some requirements to unlock them are lower
defo need to do the questline but dunno if you need the rep
dawn canyon
no rep
strong forum
can we please get baseline rage gen from auto attacks as prot aswell?
that shit is OP
prot gets 2 rage per auto attack
but if you dont have a spec selected you gen like 20 rage per auto attack!
16
strong forum
shield slam doesnt generat rage yet
but ill trade that for generating 16 rage per AA
jagged pier
strong forum
honestly probably better for leveling to not pick a spec if i want to play pseudo prot
dawn canyon
arm leveling
dawn canyon
thats crinj
marsh narwhal
sez u
dawn canyon
lemme just not mortal strike
urban portal
Yāall donāt know the pre 50 meta
chrome falcon
when i started playing the game again in mop i probably would have quit again if prot wasn't so absurd for levelling
oblique garnet
honestly probably better for leveling to not pick a spec if i want to play pseud...
?
Leveling
strong forum
need the mog
oblique garnet
For
strong forum
when i racechange instantly in 9.2.5
oblique garnet
Cringe
strong forum
or well, faction change
oblique garnet
Log off
strong forum
soon
i already considered logging off 13 times
quests arent like LA
so theyre bad
sick sentinel
watching the asmongold stream caused me to stop playing lost ark
dawn canyon
watch mdi
uncut notch
when i racechange instantly in 9.2.5
+1
strong forum
lack of content in LA is what caused me to stop
sick sentinel
i saw the honing , and well, i'm not playing any more
sick sentinel
i went to just under 1100ilvl in that game as artillery
oblique garnet
Have you tried going couple of days without gaming anything
uncut notch
Going to gear an alt to sit in my guild as officer role but the warrior is fuckin GONE as soon as that patch drops
strong forum
i myself havent played video games in 2 weeks
today is the first day where i play for more than 30sec
opal escarp
how do you guys combat too much rage as necro, feels like spamming revenge doesn't enough spend rage fast enough and using IP at max value feelsbad
mighty valley
just use IP anyway
strong forum
just use IP
opal escarp
okay, yeah I've been doing that, so that is the most effective way to play then?
as necro
oblique garnet
Yeah
strong forum
use IP PURELY to prevent overcapping rage
pump rest into revenge
SS is absolutely highest priority
dont use outburst on TC
generating rage is your highest prio
GG
left stone
alright boys 4p, unity and necro 80 acquired on the prot alt, how tf do I play this build :D
mighty valley
just think of IP as a cool button that does a little healing + gets you avatar back quicker + gets you seeing red stacks, who cares about capping
strong forum
alright boys 4p, unity and necro 80 acquired on the prot alt, how tf do I play t...
literally what i just said
strong forum
sick sentinel
alright boys 4p, unity and necro 80 acquired on the prot alt, how tf do I play t...
shield slam + revenge spam
left stone
sry bby
left stone
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
<3
left stone
shield slam + revenge spam
yes chief
whats the current debate with the last row of the talents?
strong forum
always AM
sick sentinel
i thought about getting sub so i go for the red/gold mount
strong forum
KSM mount then
sick sentinel
couldn't care less about the blue or green one, matches red mog i like
strong forum
ya this one is actually decent looking
you better start soon then considering you didnt manage to get KSM last season
sick sentinel
is it till 10.0?
sick sentinel
s4 is the like, 2 months away from 10. isn't it
blazing condor
where do you get that script for explosive orbs in Details?
havent done it in years and friend is askin
urban portal
Should be on curseforge
blazing condor
yeah i just remember it being a thing
blazing condor
thank you friend 
sick sentinel
i have no clue if its still accurate, but last picture i can see i have 75k gold
i probably don't have anywhere close to that if i log on
blazing condor
send me
sick sentinel
i know i bought a whole bunch of flasks and consumables before i quit
blazing condor
im down to 35k now
i am not generating any gold
just wasting on flasks and repairs
lyric geode
Should tanks bother with explosives? I find myself in tough positions because I have to move. And I have dd tell me it is healer/tank's job to do it.
sick sentinel
im almost positive i spent the majority of the gold, probably on upgrading heirloom
lyric geode
Dd passing responsibilities like IRL
strong forum
its generally healer job
but nobody fucking does it
so you end up doing it anyway
mighty valley
yeah don't let the group wipe out of stubbornness
and do be aware that on some big pulls there are a lot of explosives and healers might actually have to do some healing
but ideally they're doing it the most
blazing condor
they should be
lyric geode
But because it is fortified with raging, the dmg received is unbearable
blazing condor
everybody wants it to be someone else's problem to deal with because guess what? explosive is a fucking boring affix
no one wants to do that shit
sick sentinel
"the tank is in melee range and one tank attack can kill the explosive so, so there for it is your job to kill explosive tank" - every pug ever
blazing condor
never heard that one before lol
one attack of anything can kill explosives they literally have 1 hp
strong forum
actually ive heard on some levels some spells actually dont 1shot them anymore
so they fucked up the scaling on explosive
sick sentinel
hunters are fantastic for explosive
urban portal
But because it is fortified with raging, the dmg received is unbearable
But most of the explosives come in the beginning of the pack where raging isn't active yet
urban portal
actually ive heard on some levels some spells actually dont 1shot them anymore
I don't one shot an explosive iwth charge in a 16 fort
strong forum
charge doesnt deal dmg.
sick sentinel
i dunno if pets can attack explosives, but guns sure can, guess what: auto attack at range vs literal zero armor thingy = op
urban portal
Unlucky
strong forum
urban portal
i dunno if pets can attack explosives, but guns sure can, guess what: auto attac...
It actually has armor
Standard armor
That every PvE mobs has
blazing condor
i feel like even if charge doesnt do damage it always lines your auto up
so youstill kill it
urban portal
My tooltip on charge is 363 and explosive has 330
blazing condor
free reprisal proc baybee
sick sentinel
its a little lava bubble thingy
urban portal
It should kill
strong forum
<:peepostudy:617259554530656262>
ye they fucked up scaling, for example havoc DH auto attack isnt enough to kill 1 explosive on 23+ or smth
urban portal
But it doesn't due to armor
blazing condor
DH stay losing
urban portal
It's pretty mid
strong forum
fort raging is major yikes
but tanks are so strong rn
that they can just tank raging mobs
blazing condor
fort raging bolster pog
lyric geode
Exactly. On 20s they are quite inbariable
blazing condor
tanked a 21 dos with full raging packs using only aegis or SW
shit dont even hurt no more
strong forum
BDK built diff
sick sentinel
the only thing i know for sure about DH is that we had one in a shrine key, and we wiped and the healer or someone raged at the DH because he didn't interupt the wind cast on 2nd boss, because, it gives the DH MORE dps (i think dude was tracking cd's and saw dh had it up) but i believe there was maybe that there was that buff if you interupt during that tornadoe
and another told me i know what to do, before die to first mechanic
sick sentinel
3rd boss shrine = pepega test
blazing condor
you could entirely neglect 2nd boss by just standing
3rd boss forced you to take a swim to deal with MC
last boss had the debuff gimmick that was necessary but one-shot the healer
jagged pier
Who else feels if u destroy an explosive it does the damage to the enemy mobs
That would be a cool change
blazing condor
lyric geode
I remember back that explosives gave us victory rush. Bring it up.
sick sentinel
up to a 10 key you could just soak the damage and it would come off, 15, someone had to atack, above 15 everyone or at least 2 ppl had to attack
lyric geode
At least, make this afflix somewhat more enjoyable
blazing condor
just do something that gives incentive to deal with explosives
more than just "or the key depletes"
chrome falcon
Could be an idea for a seasonal affix jakey where you get like a prismatic crystal explosive that the whole group can pump before it explodes
lyric geode
just do something that gives incentive to deal with explosives
Exactly
chrome falcon
the incentive is that you don't die idk
do you need an incentive to move out of sanguine
sick sentinel
it can be fine if you have instant damage range shaman hunter that one version of ice mage
lyric geode
271 is low ilvl to join?
strong forum
would if i could
late maple
271 is perfect
blazing condor
NA only doe
late maple
CROSS REGION PLS BLIZZ
strong forum
ya but that 246 ows is better than almost every other trinket you could get
god leveling is boring
blazing condor
it is
theres a reason i have no alts
cba to level and cba to catch up
do all the intro quests and farms and shit
nowdays the catch ups are actually decent
strong forum
like i did 12 keys
and i got 2 items im using from m+
2
cloak and a trinket
rest is still last patch's gear
blazing condor
4 warr plate stack time 
blazing condor
its not boosting if you have fun
strong forum
its not fun getting boosted
strong forum
?
strong forum
well i can still do like 9k dps
blazing condor
you can level an alt
dawn canyon
and imo watching others do dungeon is very boring
blazing condor
ye nah
strong forum
neither can i but what we were talking about was 5 friends playing
but because im low ilvl id be getting pseudo boosted
thats not enjoyable
dawn canyon
true
blazing condor
i mean youd be pretty even id imagine tbh
strong forum
It's still a huge burden on your friends to boost you forever through 15s
When they're usually pushing ykno
golden pollen
thats true
spring heart
It is for charity š
when are u doing this run
lyric geode
15s can be done with 4 people easily.
lyric geode
It's still a huge burden on your friends to boost you forever through 15s
But yes, it is quite a burden.
sick sentinel
whenever i log in with old addons it claims i have 71k, or 51k gold not sure... could be 5.1k lol
mighty valley
boosting friends through 15s is a good hang out and fuck around activity imo
brain turn off, goof around
naive panther
anyone using seismic in m+? or are you just flat out too squishy with it
mighty egret
nobody is
lofty widget
not for any serious keys, but you can mess around with it in lower keys
sage yacht
well i cant buy boosts
aye
as i always say
if theres a will
theres a way
i dont support anything against tos
tho
timber slate
Why do guides say to go haste/vers but everyone i see go haste/mastery?
strange lintel
stupid question but. shieldblock buff gets wasted if i miss press it and pop 2 one after the other right?
lofty widget
SB stacks to a maximum of 18 seconds
and if you play bolster (which you shouldnt) that gets added on top so a max of 33 seconds
so it's not wasted
mighty valley
you don't usually overcap by mashing it out but you're more likely to waste uptime where you don't really need to block
chrome falcon
@strange lintel itās really hard to overcap SB you need to hit both charges, both charges ofā¦ charge, and intervene, all within a few seconds
strange lintel
and if you play bolster (which you shouldnt) that gets added on top so a max of ...
i thought bolster was suggested for mythic+ ?
lofty widget
hasnt been since like season 1 before reprisal
mighty valley
it's in the "m+ with the wall" build which isn't a thing any more
mighty valley
i mean no one should do it either way
but if for some reason you were in m+, then you kinda need to find sb uptime somewhere
chrome falcon
Iāve stopped using icy veins after .0 patches
That shit contains so much outdated info that never gets properly trimmed
mighty egret
Why do guides say to go haste/vers but everyone i see go haste/mastery?
i think they might be off specing fury im guessing?
timber slate
could be
green eagle
dumb question, but is there any way to make the kyrian owl not clickable in combat? I had an awful run today where I manged to errantly click him like 6 times in a run and it caused some problems
blazing condor
dumb question, but is there any way to make the kyrian owl not clickable in comb...
Not that i know. But theres an āauto owlā WA that auto-dismisses it if you talk to it
Or auto repairs goliath if youāre in NW
ruby locust
thank you guys for the advice and cd usage using the wall was a huge help for mythic skolex that boss is a nightmare
pliant narwhal
hey what do you guys prefer weapon: 265 crit mastery or 262 haste versa?
blazing condor
265
strong forum
265
pliant narwhal
ty guys
and maybe another decision: normally its ilvl as #1 prio, but on rings i am unsure.... ring 252 haste versa vs. ring 265 crit mastery ( i couldnt figure out how to sim defensifly on raidbots)
blazing condor
Raidbots only sim dps
But with jewelry you can be more picky
Thereās an ilvl breakpoint somewhere but thats like 15-20ilvl difference or something
Go for haste rings
pliant narwhal
do you guys think that prot warrior will be buffed? i seem to be pretty weak in mplus compared to others
jagged pier
its not weak at all
stray gazelle
do you guys think that prot warrior will be buffed? i seem to be pretty weak in...
If you compare warrior to monk and dk I guess you can call them weaker but weāre not weak at all and the buffs we got was super nice itās our tier set bonus that doesnāt live to the power of the other tanks tier sets
But it is fun in pvp
pliant narwhal
If you compare warrior to monk and dk I guess you can call them weaker but weāre...
yes the set: i think 6 stack should be enough to outburst
stray gazelle
Itād be nice But best change thatād I would like would be to have thunderclap not consume the charges
cinder dirge
Just more dmg
overall
Our ST is awesome. Execute phase is insanely good
Overall is fkn meh
we're 2k below every other tank average
jagged pier
are we?
jagged pier
not really most tanks do 11-14k which is what we do the only outlier is bdk
and bdk if your noawh
jovial mesa
Just press buttons 
cinder dirge
Wait who's dealin 11k-14k as prot war in in m+ ?
On average i've been doing / seen prot war dealin 10k while other tank were 12k average
jovial mesa
you can take a look at some of sense's logs
sure depends on the dungeon but he is doin great damage
cinder dirge
he's at 10k dude
lofty widget
Logs Are always gonna be lower, avg for me is 12-13k as well
strong forum
M8 I've done 10k dps with 255ilvl and 2pc
If you can't do more than that with 275+ ilvl and 4pc then I have bad news for you bro
People have done 11k dps with pwar in 9.1 with reprisal
13k with seismic
jagged pier
hasnt late doone 14k with rep this season already?
jagged pier
i mean it depends on dungeon and lvl
but average is like 10-12 for me
ive done 13 in mists
blazing condor
I dont do any below 20 rn and im just tryna time
jagged pier
but mists is a pumper dungoen
strong forum
Ya, 14k with rep
blazing condor
I could degen more revenges for sure tho
strong forum
15.8k with seismic
floral swan
Hey fellas, just a quick question , so I'm currently playing necro prot warrior, I know I'm still learning, but I have a few questions, when banners up do i spam Ignore Pain while maintaining shield block ? so I can keep up banner for a lot longer? also I read that playing necro only shines when you have dps that benefits from mastery aka convoke/ combustion, now if I don't have any dps that benefit from it do i just switch to kyrian ? or It doesn't matter to much, I'm currently and doing 15-16s on my warrior.
dawn canyon
necro is better damage if you keep banner up
blazing condor
Stay necro cus the banner on you is great if you keep it up
Also yes you wanna keep banner uptime as long as possible so you spam extra rage including IP to keep it going
floral swan
Also with Flesh craft i know it it provides a damage reduction so should i pop it whevever its off cd ?
lofty widget
the only time you press IP is when youre gonna overcap on rage, otherwise just throw revenges, and yeah banner is 100% a personal buff, if people want it they can stack on you
blazing condor
This also helps Anger Management meaning you get more shield walls and avatars
lofty widget
Also with Flesh craft i know it it provides a damage reduction so should i pop i...
you tap it on cd, but dont channel it for the full duration
blazing condor
So with necro you wanna generate as much rage as possible so you can spend as much as possible
I tend to use fleshcraft if i got downtime between packs personally. Might as well
lofty widget
as long as the group isnt waiting for you thats also fine
floral swan
Cause my banner uptime overall is only at 48% uptime i chain pull as much as possible, on bosses i can keep it up almost 100% off the time
alright so just tap fleshcraft alrighty thanks.
and is it bonesmith over meralith for keys ?
strong forum
Use IP exclusively to prevent rage capping
Pump the rest into revenge
This will cause you to gain more rage and help you with banner uptime cuz revenge can reset SS
And will in turn make you tankier and deal more dmg
floral swan
And will in turn make you tankier and deal more dmg
when you say more tankier how so ? because I run anger management over Heavy repercussions and booming voice over Best served cold, also conduits the only one I can see is the Brutal vitality, I'm unsure if there's something I've missed or
dawn canyon
avatar reduces damage taken
so more avatar with AM is more 10% dr
more rage = more ip = more indomitable
floral swan
Alright so say I'm about to enter a fight, do you pop last stand with banner ? as well, for the rage, also I run ravager so I'm using that with banner to get more rage.
sorry about tall the questions just wanna make sure I'm improving , not getting bad habits.
also these are my current stats, do i need to change anything aswell
blazing condor
Winner mentality
Stats and gear looks good. Enchant ur gloves
You dont need to pop last stand on pull for banner uptime but its definitely something you can do
Makes you kinda immortal and gives you good buffer for banner
restive ice
Wait who's dealin 11k-14k as prot war in in m+ ?
On average i've been doing / s...
From few days ago
amber herald
š¦
restive ice
Not hard to do dam on prot
restive ice
That's resto but yeah
Idk man it's pugs
That's pretty good as far as a random in a 17 goes
Resto shows as ele with deeptremor lego
In details
floral swan
if i have a belt with 78 haste 46 vers and another with 49 vers 76 mastery but with a socket do i replace my haste/vers one ? or
torpid junco
Probably not
sweet summit
it has more stats so it is better
blazing condor
our stats are close enough that more > right
strong forum
when you say more tankier how so ? because I run anger management over Heavy re...
More rage
More rage = more buttons to press = more cdr = more outbursts = more rage
And more rage also equals more indom healing and also more Banner uptime
And you shouldn't be running HR with tier anyway
Brutal vitality is a conduit you shouldn't be using since it can't go past IP cap, with tier and necro you're gonna be spamming fuckloads into IP so you're gonna be capped anyway
Your best endurance conduits are
Unnerving focus > stalwart guardian >. Condensed anima sphere
tepid bobcat
Is execute ever worth pressing as prot?
strange lintel
if i have to pick between anima sphere and inspiring pressence and stalwart. what should i pick
strange lintel
im kyrian and pelagos is the only option i got btw everything else is taken for fury single and cleave
sweet summit
ah
strange lintel
offspecs cant be choosers lol i main dps for raid D;
sick sentinel
i found kliea share potion nice for bad affix weeks
strange lintel
i honestly hope blizzard makes different build tabs like lost ark has it now
eventually
sick sentinel
we are getting honing in dragons right?
strange lintel
restiching and rebuilding cuz i wanna play a class optimally is annoying
sweet summit
yeah there are a lot of QoL improvements they could make
but it's 10.0 waiting room now
strange lintel
yeah
sick sentinel
something like, artisan trinket maker, and you go to him and you do honing like attempts to bring old trinket to current expansion, legendary legacy maybe? too op
strange lintel
doubt blizz will do anything as complicated as that
just because they hate balancing stuff
i already expect the balancing of 9.2.5 to be a complete shitshow for the raids lol
sick sentinel
deathstrike gunna be nerfed
chrome falcon
@tepid bobcat our execute hits harder than arms, and is our best way to spend rage because it also generates
tepid bobcat
Okay, thank you!
strange lintel
best soulbind for necrolord mythic+ tanking is marileth right
sweet summit
heirmir is better
strange lintel
roger
sweet summit
2p 3e 1f
strange lintel
ive no clue what you just said
sweet summit
two potency conduits
three endurance conduits
one finesse conduit
strange lintel
k
sweet summit
with gemstone
strange lintel
guide suggest brutal vitality but i guess i wont need that with 4 piece right
sweet summit
nah i'd only use brutal vitality if i was forced into 4e
blazing condor
What makes heimir better? Havent read up
sweet summit
damage
blazing condor
guess iāll have to go unlock him then
strong forum
They're pretty much interchangeable
blazing condor
Idk his tree besides damage what useful stuff do you get?
strong forum
Nothing
You get 3% more execute dmg and a bit more crit chance
And well those 3% mainstat
Lotta 3s
deft hinge
u can convert 3% into around 50 strength for a 275ilvl
safe dirge
even with outburst proc TC feels so underwhelming
safe dirge
i know
but just wanna do it to bring back memories of bfa
but damm bro
that s so bad
chrome falcon
yeah TC is paying for UF's sins
it has to be giga fucking undertuned so UF doesn't go crazy
strong forum
Yup
Just remove UF I beg, let me get rotational buttons that actually feel good to press besides execute
In aoe*
blazing condor
I really dont see why everyone wants BFA TC
Granted i missed out on 8.3
But like
safe dirge
bro during whole bfa
blazing condor
It wasnāt even that fun a playstyle
safe dirge
prot feels so fcking nice
chrome falcon
it was a giga boring playstyle
blazing condor
It feels great - now
Today
Ive been playing prot since cata and its pretty darn great rn
Bfa felt cool in 8.0 with perma demo shout through deafening crash
safe dirge
it s not bad but just the feeling of doing a big clap not spamming it like bfa
blazing condor
Then it was meh
safe dirge
but at least with a proc set should rly done way more
blazing condor
You cant have more than one stack of outburst right
Aka if it procs and i press avatar itāll just override the buff?
echo egret
is 2p -> 4p worth downgrading to LFR tier pieces ?
sweet summit
yes
echo egret
doh ok