Threat wise
#protection
uncut notch
dawn canyon
However the manifest sins cast was used for rogue funnel in s2
blazing condor
or idk sometimes when a party member has been standing on the side
uncut notch
idk how the fuck to gather them
uncut notch
sometimes i get lucky and they stack in the boss
blazing condor
and then they run to you
uncut notch
sometimes theyre all the fuck over
blazing condor
watch any HOA high key and they coordinate it by standing close during ad phase
dawn canyon
With party kicks
strong forum
If you don't dmg the adds
They all run to the center
If you dmg them instantly they start casting in nirvana
blazing condor
ye
also maybe unpopular opinion
but Gambit is a hella fun dungeon to run
fast and effective and i like the mobs/bosses
murloc area is pog
blazing condor
boss 1 kinda boring
2nd boss i like now
i mostly just like how fast the dungeon is
who cba doing a 45min DoS
sand pebble
what kind of overall are we doing as necroprot? halls 7 opc/scale
kinda feels low for 271 4pc
strong forum
8k is very low for 271 4pc
In low keys like that you should be able to do like 13-14k
sand pebble
maybe im playing necro wrong
strong forum
You should on the regular farm like 11-13k with that gear in pretty much every key
blazing condor
what kind of overall are we doing as necroprot? halls 7 opc/scale
with 4p a 2 leggo u wanna do 10k+
strong forum
Necro is harder cuz the spec just gets faster and you'll want to maximise banner uptime
In low keys like this packs should die in like 5seconds so kyrian would be better
But given the overall dps shown there they didn't die that quickly
sand pebble
true ill run higher with guildies and see if its higher
strong forum
But even in this situation it should've been more 
ionic fern
You should on the regular farm like 11-13k with that gear in pretty much every k...
Stop bully.
I did 9.7k in ToP at 260. 😦
strong forum
So there's defo missplay happening
I mean that's cuz 260 ilvl
I did 8.1k with 255 2pc
queen pumice
I play a bit tanky but consistently get 10k 270 4pc necro above 17+ keys
blazing condor
my 20 top yesterday just shows how inflated keys are rn
had dps die literally every pull to stupid shit
blown off platform, stood in urh, no interrupts
etc etc
still timed by margin
blazing condor
yep
strong forum
After over 2 years of SL people still don't know that there are casts that don't only hurt the tank!
strong forum
Wdym if I don't kick this it's a wipe?
Shit tank!
lyric geode
You want me to Interrupt? Do you know that I waste a GCD and I would use it to do more damage? Couldnt you just not interrupt FFS?
-average dd player.
sand pebble
we bought an spriest last week who mc'd withering discharge mob and it helped with dam taken esp when the withering discharge cast pulls things through walls
blazing condor
You want me to Interrupt? Do you know that I waste a GCD and I would use it to d...
this is what they say even though interrupts arent on GCD
im just glad my monk has finally started using his para/ring to interrupt mobs more
strong forum
we bought an spriest last week who mc'd withering discharge mob and it helped wi...
Hidden tech 
blazing condor
and not just sweep/interrupt
i asked the healer if he preferred to skip the commander pack in Xav or nah before the key
and he said "you cant do that"
same guy who body-pulled the first mobs in the dungeon when we were gonna skip
still timed though
lyric geode
Haha, its so funny. I had a dk on 20s key that couldnt do the hook.
sand pebble
save body pulls and just pull it all onto first boss
lyric geode
On necrotic wake third boss
lime urchin
Frens, I finally can try some necrolording in m+ tonight with two tier pieces. So I know we all love Kevin. We always take Kevin or is emini or the bonesmitj also fun to try?
uncut notch
Marge 24/7 gang
pretty much
blazing condor
gotta be my favorite simpson
dawn canyon
Nah that's homer for sure
uncut notch
Moe is the only answer
strong forum
Joe
lime urchin
Do you do warming up on fingers when playing necrolord + tier + glory?
Treat them a bit before you abuse them for 30-40 mins?
strong forum
Playing with cold hands is pain
Actually so hard to do
Which reminds me of my apprenticeship
We literally didn't have heating at our workshop and a 50x50cm hole in the wall which we had to plug up with Styrofoam to insulate it somehow
timber slate
Rub thai oil on your hands to warm them up
strong forum
So any morning during the winter we had literally negative degrees in there and had to use 1 singular electrical heater
Took like 3hrs to heat it up
strong forum
It's been 7 years since then but yeah. Shit was fucked up
And now that company is bankrupt 
get fucked
jagged pier
wouldnt that have been against worker rights? 🤔
oblique garnet
wouldnt that have been against worker rights? 🤔
Yes
oblique garnet
Dude works in an igloo
Igloos are warm tho
lime urchin
We literally didn't have heating at our workshop and a 50x50cm hole in the wall ...
Workshop?! What u do there Nom??
strong forum
wouldnt that have been against worker rights? 🤔
When they told me word for word "I don't give a shit how you get to work, just be on time" the workers rights guys said "not much you can do besides find another job"
jagged pier
strong forum
Cuz I came with the bus to work ~3min after work started
Cuz the earlier bus would be 45min too early
:)
jagged pier
strong forum
Workshop?! What u do there Nom??
I'm an electrician
lime urchin
Thunderclapper irl!
timber slate
jagged pier
:noted:
timber slate
Just got back to prot, is ravager still the go to for m+?
lofty widget
ye
timber slate
Thnx
civic torrent
mentioned to my guild I wouldn't mind playing dps and now they recruited a bdk, fury it is
blazing condor
rookie mistake
jagged pier
big mistake
timber slate
Wheelchair tank
civic torrent
Yeah I fucked up
ebon geyser
Love it when people don't kick bonespear or withering discharge
Imagine assuming ppl interrupt 
poor num.
I have interrupt tracker and I have been in runs that I have seen someone else and mine going
Like out of 5 ppl 2 ... Like delete toon plz
serene saffron
Man I’m having such a hard time in HoA this week. I’ll just be smooth sailing until I get hit by an enraged bolt and just insta die
blazing condor
yep it be like that
odd tree
Platform pulls in DoS are the same
deft vortex
Whats the preferred covenant for Streets and Soleah? Someone mentioned Night fae has high value in streets cause of all the add casts
blazing condor
doubt that would overperform Necro
if you take the left side in streets there's like no real ads to kill either
deft vortex
gotcha i figured necro still good to go
blazing condor
yeah you should never need to switch off of it for a dung
it does a lot of good for us
strong forum
Necro is just too much rage to pass up
And that sneaky +2X% extra Str with perma uptime
deft vortex
thanks guys ill make the perma swap
uncut notch
Scraped through a halls 20 with 2824 EHRPS
taking that and fucking running
never doing halls again
im done
thats it
im out
got my portal, closing the dungie
Picked the worst fucking week for it
but its done
blazing condor
if there's any boss in this xpac people still have no clue what to do on it has to be Blightbone
just CC/kill worms
people have no clue
serene saffron
Yeah I still watch people just get auto attacked by worms thinking I guess it’s just some physical damage and not realizing they just explode and kill everyone
sturdy sable
Just a some physical damage
jagged pier
@blazing condor when boost?
jagged pier
timber slate
Is necro good even if i dont have any tier piece?
jagged pier
not really
sturdy sable
Mattacates been necro forever ask him
chrome falcon
it's playable but uh
creation catalyst is up so i dunno how you'd not have any tier pieces
jagged pier
like it was the best ST since 9.1 but u lost rep
so it wasnt worth it
in terms of double leggo no tier
its more playable
but in general necro after 2pc
kyiran before
chrome falcon
i'd raid as necro without any tier but yeah pretty rough in m+
but again idk how you wouldn't have 2p
serene saffron
2p worth being necro or wait for 4p?
jagged pier
2pc
crimson marsh
Thoughts on not using devastator talent to deal with explosives?
sweet summit
not worth
crimson marsh
Do we have an easy way to kill them, heroic throw has an annoying range limit
crimson marsh
Otherwise it would be perfect
serene saffron
I’d rather the whole group die then use my gcd on heroic throw
crimson marsh
Removing the range limit on charge and heroic throw would be a nice quality of life
chrome falcon
would make us less fun and engaging
charge weaving is a skill and it's not exactly a hard one
strange lintel
I usually tab revenge orbs if I got some extra rage
strange lintel
Tab orbs
jagged pier
I usually tab revenge orbs if I got some extra rage
thats just a melee hitting them
strange lintel
Hit revenge
jagged pier
not revenge
chrome falcon
revenge is an aoe ability
strange lintel
So sheug
chrome falcon
aoe does not hit orbs
it's the right play though autoing them is just fine
while spamming revenge to still do dmg to pack
strange lintel
Guys shut the fuck up about some not hitting orbs. I'm tabbing the orbs so I can Auto or w.e while still generating agro lol . Swear God people are just waiting to repeat the same shit
chrome falcon
weow
timber slate
creation catalyst is up so i dunno how you'd not have any tier pieces
Just went back on my warrior yesterday, didnt farm any flux👀
dusky canopy
timber slate
Geared him with 229 green items lul
dusky canopy
You actually can get a decent chunk in like 2-3 hours
Do all the lfrs
Do world boss
Do weekly
Boom done
timber slate
And chests give 200 when you loot for the first time
Havent done much
Crafted both leggos and did a dungeon to test it out
topaz field
@strange lintel you bro u cannot hit orbs with revenge monka
dusky canopy
Guys shut the fuck up about some not hitting orbs. I'm tabbing the orbs so I can...
FYI revenge doesn’t hit orbs
strange lintel
Xfd
hard vessel
Just let healer do orbs and then 2nd is melee, after then it's tank job
blazing condor
dependso n where in the fight you are
grave crane
Maybe try TC instead if revenge cause revenge can’t hit orbs
strange lintel
Ah yes let me depend on some DPShead to stay alive
hard vessel
In any big pull not your job as tank, in any pack with frontals not your job, in any pack where it's chill either pull bigger or healers job
blazing condor
if its during burst phases then its not the dps job
topaz field
ofc its fucking healer job
lofty widget
it's a tank+healer job
topaz field
i do 300-500 orbs as resto druid and i cannot think of anything easier
lofty widget
dps should not have to focus on explosives ever
hard vessel
Tanks do only when they spawn in melee range without moving
topaz field
if i ever see a tank doing orbs i will remove him from my group
like instantly
imagine keg smashing an orb lmao
hard vessel
You don't need to, your dps will. Leave before cause they can't see and they will complain after getting hit by frontals
lofty widget
just target them and wait for a melee swing
hard vessel
Imagine running around as tank trying to catch each orb
lofty widget
they all spawn in melee anyway soo...
topaz field
ye
giga bullshit
must a be healer
its a complete fiesta to do them as tank
just get hit in the back for the orb YEP
hard vessel
free charge
Yeah but that's different than tanks job
And it's still charging and getting hit in back maybe
lofty widget
tank+healer gets 90-95 % of explosives
hard vessel
healer gets 90 and tank 5 ye
lofty widget
if you expect your healer to get all explosives at all times youre bound to fail
hard vessel
No
lofty widget
they cant commit enough globals to do explosives and heal the party as well
topaz field
no like seriously on any good group healer does 99 %
the only exception was ww for fishing stacks
hard vessel
Ye but no tank does like nearly half as much as healers
urban portal
does anyone know the proc rate of this item?
Anything that we don't know about is probably bad
topaz field
we are not bfa anymore
lofty widget
thats why tank+healer gets them 🙂
mellow gorge
Anything that we don't know about is probably bad
hmm, true, so if we don't know I guess i gotta put it to the test
hard vessel
thats why tank+healer gets them 🙂
No
urban portal
We do know
It's on ask Mr robot
Look up item name ask Mr robot
And youll find it
hard vessel
Do a 4 pack pull in gambit as start and let's see who can do them
urban portal
@mellow gorge
hard vessel
It's not the tank
urban portal
But a world drop at ilvl 242 isn't going to be good
lofty widget
It's not the tank
i have, and im still doing explosives with the healer
topaz field
thats a big mistake but do it
topaz field
i wont argue about that anymore
lofty widget
i can pull of my rotation just fine while doing explosives
hushed cobalt
Remember when VR procced on explosives? Good times
blazing condor
i member
lime urchin
i can pull of my rotation just fine while doing explosives
With which abilities?
blazing condor
we only have SS and HT
lime urchin
Exactly
blazing condor
maybe hamstring but like
lofty widget
target explosive, melee them
sweet summit
hushed cobalt
Huzzah
throws glass to the floor
blazing condor
mazel tov
oblique garnet
ya boy finally got 3k score tho
Gz you are higher than me
strong forum
This chat is only for high rio (1600+). Thank you.
ebon geyser
So since you guys are better than all discords. Anyone have recommendations on a good computer table? 3 monitors
ebon geyser
I have the stand that clamps on the table that holds 3 me monitors
oblique garnet
Depends on your room
ebon geyser
I mean I'm moving to EU so I need something for when I get there
median tulip
Definitely get a monitor stand and adjust it properly for your height and sitting position. Get a good chair as well. Your back will thank you in 20 years time. Trust me on this.
blazing condor
im here for a good time not a long time
ebon geyser
I don't know a good chair I don't want a gaming chair because that's bait
dawn canyon
das cool
blazing condor
i got a gamer chair cus my mom bought me it 
blazing condor
hold up triangulating rn
strong forum
Has trees
ebon geyser
I have 3 27 inch monitors
median tulip
It would drive me up the wall having different sizes of monitor
ebon geyser
will cost you like $600
That's to much for a chair. 100 and is pushing it
blazing condor
That's to much for a chair. 100 and is pushing it
yeah im jk but fr chairs are hella costly
median tulip
I have a pair of curved MSI Optix MAG 27" raised on a stand
strong forum
Cba spending 800+ euro for side monitors who's only purpose is discord and streams lol
Waste of everything
ebon geyser
I'm ocd and need my 3 monitors to line up
blazing condor
oc these nuts
strong forum
Has ocd on monitors lining up but desktop prolly filled with 4730739 icons
median tulip
Cba spending 800+ euro for side monitors who's only purpose is discord and strea...
To be fair, the official purpose of my machine is CAD software
blazing condor
blazing condor
i have the trash bin
well now i have more
sometimes i just have random reaction images i cba to delete
strong forum
🔫
median tulip
If you launch commonly used programs from the start menu, you are dead to me
blazing condor
not commonly
median tulip
Win Key + a number is the One True Way
median tulip
Stuff on the Task Bar launches when you hiot Win Key and the relevant number
strong forum
Interesting
Didn't know that
Time to put chrome on task bar cuz it's the only program I open more than once per PC boot
median tulip
Half my shit launches automatically anyway
median tulip
Tidal, WoWUp, Discord etc
strong forum
Only shit that boots automatically for me is rainmeter, lux and Spotify
median tulip
Stuff like my CAD software and GIMP though, I don't need that running all the time (hella resource hog), but I want to launch it fast, so Win Key and number is the way
strong forum
Ah and shareX
blazing condor
disc, spotify for me
and probably some background shit for my mouse/headphones whatever
also rio
median tulip
I deliberately only use Logitech peripherals so I only have thye one piece of software installed to control them
Speakers, Keyboard, Mouse, Headset, Game Controller, the works
Camera too
sick sentinel
ye their ecosystem is good
strong forum
Nyeh, since razer Software literally bricked my PC I refuse to use all peripheral software
And will never buy razer ever again
ebon geyser
This is what I have except table lol
median tulip
I tried a Razer mouse once; I don't know what it is about their ergonomics but it gave me terrible hand cramp
blazing condor
i had a razer naga from 2010 to uldir BFA
but my thumb started hurting so i changed it
i was also playing more normal games so the buttons werent exactly needed
ebon geyser
So I need a sturdy table that can hold those 3 monitors
But I haven't find anything worth it
strong forum
If you have extra bucks
Id recommend an electric one with adjustable height
That shit is goated
strong forum
Same
strong forum
At work we've got adjustable tables now for a year
I'm standing like 80% of the day
If not more
It's so good
blazing condor
chillen
strong forum
strong forum
I got a schnitzel sandwich, a chicken curry sandwich and a salami sandwich
I'm bing chilling
toxic pewter
damn i want a schnitzel sandwich
ebon geyser
I'm standing like 80% of the day
I like this but moving to EU in summer so was looking for something over there that can deliver etc
blazing condor
where to?
ebon geyser
Germany
dawn canyon
Sprache schon drauf?
cinder pasture
Gesundheit
strong forum
Sprache schon drauf?
Doubt it
sweet summit
no demon tongue in my chat 😡
blazing condor
ok norwegian
sweet summit
ur literally swedish or?
cinder pasture
Nothing wrong with swedes 👀
ebon geyser
Guten morgen
median tulip
een andere taal leren is niet moeilijk
upbeat raft
You should on the regular farm like 11-13k with that gear in pretty much every k...
I'm right around 270 4pc as Necro, and I'm not even touching 11k. I must be massively screwing up my rotation, cause I normally see like 6k or 7k. Should I be casting revenge constantly or something?
sturdy sable
You probably arnt pulling enough
dusky canopy
I'm right around 270 4pc as Necro, and I'm not even touching 11k. I must be mas...
When first using 4pc Necro I found myself pressing IP more than needed because of how fast the rage generates
Do you log yourself at all? Maybe start there. I’m guessing you may be doing the same
sturdy sable
Or your banner uptime is not great
dawn canyon
I'm right around 270 4pc as Necro, and I'm not even touching 11k. I must be mas...
log a key and put the log here
then mistakes can be looked at
golden pollen
Does ip value stack ?
dusky canopy
I'm right around 270 4pc as Necro, and I'm not even touching 11k. I must be mas...
Also keep in mind overall is very dependent on the group as a whole you need to pull 2-3 packs together and it needs to die fast in order to have big overalls if your group is slogging through 1-2 packs and not using CDs well, your overall will also suffer
upbeat raft
Here's my Spires16 from this morning: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LRXWAKCPHrjcVQmN/#fight=last
chrome falcon
you're playing unstoppable force
so yeah 6k sounds right
you're also playing emeni instead of mari/heirm but that's very minor compared to playing unstoppable force
you cast intervene 3 times over the entire key
unstoppable is terrible and has been for this entire expansion
TC is a fucking terrible spell, the LAST thing you want to do is cast more of it
run ravager and start actually pressing revenge if you want to do damage
jagged pier
casts are low
blocked hits are low your like 30% lower than u should be
talents are wrong
upbeat raft
A key I ran yesterday where the feral druid kept ripping threat. Was trying to get more TC to hold threat better. Maybe more Revenge is what I need though?
blazing condor
Just read the tooltips
chrome falcon
yeah if you want to hold aggro i recommend casting a spell that does damage
blazing condor
Tc hits for nothing
chrome falcon
instead of a spell that does no damage
oblique garnet
Free ss resets
chrome falcon
also if you have problems with threat that's even more reason to run ravager
because ravager is big aoe damage on a low CD
you're also not running stalwart guardian
should be run over condensed anima sphere
if you charge then revenge your first global is going to be a 50% bonus damage revenge
that's gonna be roughly 2x the damage of a thunderclap
also if you start pressing shield slam you will start generating rage and get your banner uptime from 30% up to the 70% it should be
and yeah your blocked hits are very low, you need to press charge and intervene to actually proc reprisal
golden pollen
Do we still need ravager at this point?
chrome falcon
more than we need unstoppable force! 🙂
chrome falcon
sure you can hold aggro without ravager
hushed cobalt
I don't recommend it, but you can use riftshard mid-charge and hopefully everything is grouped up 3s later
chrome falcon
it's still more dps and rage than itf
wooden radish
@ionic fern this channel is chill, it's super frustrating seeing people talk about how squishy prot warrior is and then there's clips of plka doing tyrannical first boss TOP on a 25 and never dropping below 90%
strong forum
Does ip value stack ?
up to a max of 2x
golden pollen
Lol
rigid flower
Hey guys, I've been working on my uptime with tier set and reprisal. Is there a way to track how many times I've used TC instead of SS when the proc hits? I'm better at it, but I'd like to get that TC number to 0
upbeat raft
@chrome falcon @blazing condor @jagged pier Thanks for the feedback and suggestions. 🙂
strong forum
this is how your dmg breakdown should look like
thats a key where i did 10k dps with 255 ilvl and 2pc as necrolord
upbeat raft
this is how your dmg breakdown should look like
ohhhhhhhh, yeah that makes sense Thanks so much
rigid flower
never spend outburst on TC
That's the goal. But I guess there's no easy way to track it beyond overall dps at the end? My current record is 8.9k in a 17
chrome falcon
oh yeah dw wasn't referring to your comment uhhhhh
to answer your question
yes i'm pretty sure there is a way to check that in warcraftlogs
but i don't know how because i am not smart!
rigid flower
Same. Strength class not int
blazing condor
You’ll probably have to check the buff time and then ability cast after
In the log
Unless theres an easier way
chrome falcon
nah i'm sure there's a way to check TC casts while under the effect of outburst buff
strong forum
chrome falcon
but idk how
strong forum
but you can see
the average cast of an empowered TC for me did 20k
thats accumulated dmg
rigid flower
awesome, thanks!
strong forum
and average SS cast is 17k
so SS is basically even with TC
even WITHOUT counting the rage
median tulip
TC hits like a wet noodle. This is not news. Hasn't been good since the end of BfA
strong forum
yes
but people tried to argue that outburst TC is more raw dmg than SS in aoe
this right here is proof that its NOWHERE near worth
median tulip
lol nope
rigid flower
So if I understand correctly, I did TC 26 times with outburst on this chill NW 15? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8c1Ggbm6XdK7Lt9J#fight=1&type=damage-done&source=1&sourcebuffs=364010
strong forum
you did 26 TCs with outburst
chrome falcon
yep
strong forum
median tulip
Also, before anyone asks: No, Outburst does not multiply the legendary effect of Thunderlord
strong forum
ya, the outburst procs have 0 interaction with any legendary or talent
sick sentinel
if i was still playing and had 4pc i'd have a WA that has some looping song imported till i used it like whiles its at 8 or however
strong forum
except for raw dmg increases ofc
sick sentinel
other wise, i'd be in here talking about, 48 outbursted TC's in a key i did
median tulip
if i was still playing and had 4pc i'd have a WA that has some looping song impo...
My weakauras make sounds when Avatar comes off CD, when I gain Outburst, when I hit 7 stacks of seeing red, and when I get to 70 Rage
sick sentinel
hey, they got MDI going in a few minutes here, i'll watch bit of that
median tulip
Oh, and it calls me an idiot if I hit 100 Rage
sick sentinel
i think thats a good idea potentially, except for random rage over flows
chrome falcon
that sounds like you get spammed by a ton of noise
sick sentinel
could get repetitive very fast to hear it over and over aga in
median tulip
I don't hear the "idiot" noise very much any more
rigid flower
Sometimes I'm using IP when I can't revenge fast enough to avoid overcapping
feelsbad
median tulip
The 70 Rage one... well I now have a pavlovian reaction to that noise to push Ignore Pain, so it's doing its job
median tulip
Sometimes I'm using IP when I can't revenge fast enough to avoid overcapping
That's correct play
sick sentinel
MDI S3 day 1 live on wow YT if you guys want to watch about to start any second
chrome falcon
what are we expecting for mdi tank meta, 90% bdk 10% guardian?
sick sentinel
strong forum
what are we expecting for mdi tank meta, 90% bdk 10% guardian?
100% bdk
sick sentinel
when actual wow nerds start discussing actual mechanic interactions
blazing condor
Did a hoa today it was mad fine
sick sentinel
i'm gunna say 80% bdk, 10% monk and then 10% ????????
golden pollen
In terms of damage potential, how good is prot Warr vs others?
sick sentinel
monk was popular not so long ago i remember
civic torrent
Did a 24 gambit today, very ez ngl, was super worried about fort raging
strong forum
pwar is a solid top3 in m+ dmg
sick sentinel
raging melee mobs + SB = omegalul
civic torrent
More the waterbolts from murlocs
civic torrent
And the brackish bolts in boralus
dawn canyon
99% bdk
dawn canyon
and a bear for halls 3 shards
sick sentinel
there are certain trash mobs u 100% have to be terrified of on raging fort snaguini or some BS
dawn canyon
idk i just wanna see it again
sick sentinel
old bolster..... good fucking god bolster..... plz no....
chrome falcon
oh it's the part of the machinima trailer with a prot warrior! our representation!
chrome falcon
btw it's a tauren prot warrior because they know it's the correct canonical prot warrior race
sick sentinel
BFA bolster anyone? (pre-nerf only)
civic torrent
90% bdk, 5/5 split druid/pala
golden pollen
Bolster is just on the wrong part of the taken tree
sick sentinel
i meant the affix bolster, the way it worked in BFA
fucking, 9.0 EVERYTHING would bolster EVERYTHING
so even a tiny cockroach pet would bolster,
sick sentinel
the dk and the ret paladin (we had a ret and holy exclusives paladin pair in the guild) constantly complained about mobs teleporting through walls and shit
never saw it once except for when i watched him stream a key
golden pollen
It happens
sick sentinel
i played all of bfa start to finish and i never ever saw it personally
golden pollen
Lucky
remote flame
How are prot Warriors doing in M+?
left stone
nothing does any damage to us and if you're good you can pump
is this meme or true? i want to get back into prot warr but my healer friend doesnt want me to play it lol, and is this necro or kyrian?
strong forum
necro
a well played pwar just doesnt take dmg
in a well playing group*
if your group sucks, so will you
left stone
got it
chrome falcon
the more your healer tells you not to play it the more you should be motivated to kick ass on it
left stone
is there some kind of doc/resource for necro pwar?
strong forum
theres a reason why theres a pwar in the top 10 of all tanks on rio
left stone
the more your healer tells you not to play it the more you should be motivated t...
you joke but this is the case
chrome falcon
i do not joke sir
spite is the only thing that drives me to continue playing this class
strong forum
ah rip deoww dropped a few spots again
left stone
hahahahaha
chrome falcon
i don't get the whole "banning dungeons" thing in mdi
very much feels like something that other esports have so blizz thinks mdi should have it too
left stone
btw do i need 2p only or 4p to enable prot?
ebon geyser
Ok so for those that spoke in German I hope lol idk anything you said lmao
chrome falcon
you don't need anything
chrome falcon
indeed
sick sentinel
any chance we see Pwar mdi?
sick sentinel
uhhhh echo bros??? ...
lyric geode
The only situation were Protection warrior isnt considered F tier is IF we are shown in MDI.
dusky canopy
No way it’s not all BDK considering Naowh showed off doing 20k overall or more in his YT videos
strong forum
at the dragon
toxic pewter
ok
strong forum
theres a tauren pwar with t4
dusky canopy
My man
sick sentinel
the DK didn't deathstrike hard enough i think Kappa
toxic pewter
that trailer unironically owns tbh
strong forum
i watched it on mute
toxic pewter
one of best videos theyve ever done
ebon geyser
No way it’s not all BDK considering Naowh showed off doing 20k overall or more i...
U can't compare any of this wish tanks to Amazon prime nowh
sick sentinel
i saw it, but iwasn't paying attention enough to teel sexatly why they died
strong forum
BDK is undisputed the king of MDI rn, id be SHOCKED to see anything else
lyric geode
I am not hating anyone. But I would be delightful if protection pala got nerfed to Z tier
sick sentinel
the 5th guy died first anyhow
strong forum
nah pala is fine imo
theyre neither broken nor OP
theyre really really balanced imo
its just in this meta theres such a heavy emphasis on group dmg and dispells that it was so good in s2
but its not op
dusky canopy
Pink Prot slaps just as much as we do
strong forum
ye
ebon geyser
I am not hating anyone. But I would be delightful if protection pala got nerfed ...
This is why meta sucks . Ppl see what they use and assume those are the best tanks
civic torrent
It's so nice seeing messages from people you've blocked and realising they are still posting trash KEK
strong forum
perfectly balanced
toxic pewter
honestly prot pally seems to have every option available to them, literally cannot die, has a button for everything, 2 charges of mount speed, aoe silence, best magic dmg reduction tank in the game, really high dps, can literally outheal healer while doing all of this
like what is their weakness even
I cant point it out
ebon geyser
Prot pally with almost 100% sotr
chrome falcon
if you think that divine steed is anything other than fucking terrible
then idk what to tell you
that spell is dogshit
strong forum
^
civic torrent
They have pretty bad uptime on big big cd
toxic pewter
yeah it is dogshit but they have shield to aoe pull to them anyway
sick sentinel
prot paladin always has been and will be better on paper than in practice
ebon geyser
Steed is garbage
grave crane
But they have 2 charges of it
toxic pewter
steed is fine
lyric geode
Well, to sum. Protection pala is the best healer ever. This is why it is so broken.
sick sentinel
its not terrible, it just, don't work as intended in real world
toxic pewter
blood dk also is op atm too, guardian also heals waaaaaaaay too much. It used to be guardian similar to warrior with self heals/absorbs
strong forum
imagine if heroic leap was YOUR ONLY MOVEMENT SPELL
toxic pewter
guardians are outhealing healers now
by a lot
which makes zero sense to me
also highest dps
strong forum
apb sorry but thats just not true.
toxic pewter
it is true
ebon geyser
Bear 4 set is juicy
strong forum
it really isnt
toxic pewter
ya it is
toxic pewter
bear is highest dps and has insane self sustain
strong forum
no theyre not
toxic pewter
which makes no sense for bear
strong forum
LOL
lyric geode
NERF guardians, NERF prot pala, NERF blood dk, NERF brewmaster so at least the game is somewhat balanced, my approach is.
chrome falcon
bear is not highest dps
golden pollen
What bear r u seeing
chrome falcon
apb did you read the patch notes where they gutted their tier set
actually apb can you like
sick sentinel
thats surprising to me that bear is considered bad now
civic torrent
Like I said, it's funny to see people you block drop absolute trash posts
chrome falcon
read at all i guess we should clarify that first
toxic pewter
blood dk is needing nerf more than anything thats for sure tho
ebon geyser
toxic pewter
blood dk needs to burn
ebon geyser
DH is just an evoker placeholder
sick sentinel
did i not tell you guys countless time how broken BDK is?
lyric geode
Vdh is in the same place as prot warrior. They need a BIG buff.
toxic pewter
tank self sustain is way too high need to nerf them all to the ground
especially blood dk
chrome falcon
we don't need a big buff freebet
toxic pewter
pally too
chrome falcon
we're very strong as is
sick sentinel
dk is literal live lord, bdk always last man standing
chrome falcon
you're fighting a losing battle here nomer
ebon geyser
You need to smoke some haste
toxic pewter
haste needs to be removed
grave crane
Rogue tank when? Just evasion in CD?
agile pumice
Give outlaw big cdr on evasion and let them tank
toxic pewter
blood dk self sustain has gone off the rails
grave crane
Don’t worry guys I’ll leveled a BDK and get them nerfed quick af
sick sentinel
Rogue tank when? Just evasion in CD?
ghostly strike, the talent to attack back if you dodge an attack, riposte,
lyric geode
Honestly, with this meta. I want to burn them all
toxic pewter
prot warrior still needs major buff
lyric geode
prot warrior still needs major buff
Yes
chrome falcon
no.
lyric geode
make it to 90%
toxic pewter
big TIME
lyric geode
of ignore pain
lyric geode
increase ignore pain threashold
strong forum
right
grave crane
ghostly strike, the talent to attack back if you dodge an attack, riposte,
I’m just memeing but that would be a cool change if pace to give them outlaw tank
sick sentinel
how about bring back you can remove weapons from bosses in some dungeons
strong forum
pally so OP it does less dmg than pwar
ebon geyser
Only buff warriors need is ss out of cd
strong forum
uhuh.
toxic pewter
also need to block all magic dmg
chrome falcon
the idea that prot warrior needs a buff shows how fucked people's brains are on how this works
we are not competing against other tanks
we are competing against bosses
and trash packs
toxic pewter
i compete with other tanks
chrome falcon
and we are already extremely strong against bosses and trash packs
ebon geyser
the idea that prot warrior needs a buff shows how fucked people's brains are on...
I just want free ss spam
chrome falcon
the fact that bdk is dumbfuck stupid broken doesn't mean the other tanks need buffs
it just means bdk is dumbfuck stupid broken
pwarriors can tank mythic jailer and +25s
lyric geode
@chrome falcon we are trash against magic dmg
eternal moth
Wrong. We're competing for easily-gamed numbers on a third party website. It doesn't matter if you're clearing a +24, if your HPS or DPS are too low then you NEED A BUFF
sick sentinel
i've never played a DH except for wc3, i remember that they had OP mana/hp burn 150 each
chrome falcon
any class that can do that does not need a buff
lyric geode
@chrome falcon which is 60% of the fights in m+
sick sentinel
turn enemy hero into just a do nothing
remote flame
I will crush them
Are you waiting for them to get nerfed first? xD
chrome falcon
@lyric geode you're just wrong bro wtf
go look at your damage taken in a +20
it's overwhelmingly physical
toxic pewter
prot warrior needs buff thats for sure. to even compete we are resorting to literal drugs (speed aka haste) at a level that our APM is like 20-40% higher than other tanks. We are drug addicts. When I get blizzard to remove the drug off the streets (haste) I will save us all.
i will save us.
agile pumice
Wrong. We're competing for easily-gamed numbers on a third party website. It d...
Amen brother
chrome falcon
is there a way on discord to make it show blocked messages don't show up at all
lyric geode
@chrome falcon depends on the grp dude. If noone stuns, interrupts. Yes, i am overwhelmed by magic dmg
chrome falcon
ok so if you have a bad group for a key that group fails the timer?
is that a design flaw?
if your group is dogshit your group should fail the key
that sounds like working as intended to me
sick sentinel
BDK isn't too complicated, heart strike, deathstrike, blood plague or something, blood explosion main attacks, pretty basic tank cds
eternal moth
unrelated: I just ran my first dungeon as a prot warrior since BfA yesterday, and my wrist was screaming in pain afterward
I picked up an extra large bottle of aspirin to help me Ignore Pain
hard vessel
Pally so op is like paper compared to banner warrior, "guardian so garbage paper outside incarn" ( this said Dorki about guardian), dh garbage tier set for any single target stuff
strong forum
unrelated: I just ran my first dungeon as a prot warrior since BfA yesterday, a...
Press F to Ignore Pain.
lyric geode
@chrome falcon the main idea behind this is that WE cant interrupt 10 adds at the same time
ebon geyser
F
chrome falcon
actually, you can! you have shockwave and intimidating shout and spell reflect
lyric geode
the whole design of dungeons with tons of casts that need to be interrupted seem flaw
eternal moth
I just need to look at some parses by good warriors to see what buttons get pressed the most, then map those to ergo-friendly keys.. maybe adjust my desk height and stuff too
lyric geode
after 7 sec ? then what?
toxic pewter
brewmaster needs nerf too
chrome falcon
having mobs that need interrupts is flawed design?
sounds like wow has been dogshit for 18 years then
lyric geode
I mean look.
ebon geyser
I just need to look at some parses by good warriors to see what buttons get pres...
Sense for raid stuff. Idk if he does m+
strong forum
dont fucking link wowmeta
eternal moth
thx
lyric geode
Blood dk has the ability to mitigate this dmg by simply heal himself.
strong forum
that site is pure propaganda
toxic pewter
is that true
strong forum
and assembly of false info
amber herald
don't nerf brew/bdk just buff prot
toxic pewter
i see
lyric geode
I dont
chrome falcon
the idea that prot having a weakness means that prot needs a buff is fucking stupid
toxic pewter
nerf all tank except prot
chrome falcon
we have a weakness yes
so play well and compensate for it
you have buttons for a reason
hard vessel
We don't need any buff
toxic pewter
all the other tanks have zero weaknesses tho
strong forum
bro this copium is too much in here
sick sentinel
yeah, due to deathstrike OP, bdk only has to worry about "will this melee kill me"
chrome falcon
i can't handle it
ebon geyser
don't nerf brew/bdk just buff prot
Last time they tried to nerf brm they almost fucked the spec
sick sentinel
cuz, then they also have AMS to deal with spell bois
hard vessel
Fuck buff Prot
toxic pewter
like I said guardians are literally outhealing healers nowadays
chrome falcon
people that struggle in 15s and parse grey saying we desperately need a buff just melts my brain
hard vessel
Or softcap at 20 targets
strong forum
like I said guardians are literally outhealing healers nowadays
so does prot.
ebon geyser
all the other tanks have zero weaknesses tho
If u don't know stagger u are ded, u don't have sotr up u are dead.
lyric geode
@chrome falcon A simple buff to OUR problem as a protection warrior is to simply increse the threshold of 55% of the dmg to 80%
strong forum
every tank outheals healers.
chrome falcon
prot doesn't have a problem
toxic pewter
the self sustain needs to go from all tanks. Rework blood dk to be more of disease tank with some dots
chrome falcon
YOU have a problem because you do not play well enough to account for weaknesses that we have by design
lyric geode
Dude, i press my skills.
hard vessel
prot doesn't have a problem
The only one we have is softcap at 5 targets which isn't a problem
lyric geode
Intimidating shout
amber herald
couldn't disagree more I like not being reliant on the healer completely
chrome falcon
press them better then
lyric geode
Shockwave
toxic pewter
paladin heals need to be removed
ebon geyser
the self sustain needs to go from all tanks. Rework blood dk to be more of disea...
Ok this is where the line is crossed . Now this is straight up nonsense
lyric geode
Ancient aftershock
strong forum
The only one we have is softcap at 5 targets which isn't a problem
every tank is softcapped to 5 targets
except bear
hard vessel
No
toxic pewter
Ok this is where the line is crossed . Now this is straight up nonsense
I would make it so
hard vessel
Every tank has 1 ability which isn't
lyric geode
EVEN THE RACIAL FROM TAUREN
hard vessel
We have none
chrome falcon
prot warriors are timing 25s
that's where the "are prot warriors weak" conversation ends
hard vessel
Bro I timed 23s without tier as prot warr
toxic pewter
prot warriors are timing 25s
yeah at 40% higher apm than other tanks lmao
speedfreaks in here literal drug addicts
hard vessel
We are strong
dawn canyon
3,4% sigmachads
amber herald
I broke a mechanical keyboard playing prot in 9.0.5 
strong forum
SPB, softcapped 5
Avengers shield hardcapped
Kegsmash softcapped afaik
Heartstrike hardcapped to 5 afaik
only thrash is the only main ability that is softcapped to 20
lyric geode
Haste is love, haste is life. I AM NOT ADDICTED
strong forum
sotr also softcapped to 5 afaik
remote flame
What's the apm of Prot warrior then? Is it higher then fury?
toxic pewter
Lmao to achieve high key timed we literally have to destroy our keyboards LOL meanwhile addicts in here defending the playstyle
strong forum
What's the apm of Prot warrior then? Is it higher then fury?
80-90
hard vessel
SPB, softcapped 5
Avengers shield hardcapped
Kegsmash softcapped afaik
Heartstri...
Divine toll is somehow not capped at 5, blood boil is uncapped, soulbomb too I think
dawn canyon
isnt blood boil uncapped
strong forum
spiritbomb is nerfed to be capped.
lyric geode
Lmao to achieve high key timed we literally have to destroy our keyboards LOL me...
I love playing piano. Its music calms my mind
hard vessel
spiritbomb is nerfed to be capped.
The burning aura not thi
amber herald
Lmao to achieve high key timed we literally have to destroy our keyboards LOL me...
hey I like the playstyle 🤷
strong forum
deepwounds and dots arent capped
hard vessel
divine toll is softcapped to 8
OK but it's hitting like a lot mobs
strong forum
avengers shield hits for less than thunderclap.
hard vessel
I'm just saying we can have trouble in 20+ mobs pulls that's all
hard vessel
Ye
toxic pewter
destroys keyboard smashing ignore pain for 30 min EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT. THIS IS NOT DEGENERATE ............
years later Doctor: sorry sir, you will have to lose your fingers.... I guess you ignored a bit too much of the .... pain
hard vessel
Ye after divine toll its rip aggro
strong forum
and rip their dmg
civic torrent
Holy moly
hard vessel
Pally aggro is dumbass dogs hit without divine toll
civic torrent
This chat went down the drain quickly
toxic pewter
Yes
civic torrent
Everyone is on copium
strong forum
and misinformation
toxic pewter
what is copium
hard vessel
Warriors getting pissed if sb says we bad
lyric geode
*destroys keyboard smashing ignore pain for 30 min* EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT. THIS ...
I play protection warrior so well, that I ignore pain IRL.
toxic pewter
I play protection warrior so well, that I ignore pain IRL.
Yes
amber herald
buff guardian druids
chrome falcon
People are just desperate for our class to be bad to cover for their mistakes
hard vessel
We are just the tank who gets punished most for bad teammates in m+
toxic pewter
It is not that many warriors are bad it is the carpel tunnel syndrome required to apparently compete
lyric geode
People are just desperate for our class to be bad to cover for their mistakes
I just want more utility.
chrome falcon
You already have more utility than most people
strong forum
i love it
toxic pewter
How does one check APM anyway
strong forum
logs
amber herald
I'd agree we're the tank most reliant on a good group
chrome falcon
What utility do bears have? What utility does vdh have? What utility do monks have?
strong forum
BV better for banner uptime
BSC better for dmg
toxic pewter
Prot warrior is most punishing tank in the game for their own play and teammates
left stone
is the playstyle of 4p necro just dumping as much rage into ignore pain as physically possible outside of maintaining a normal rotation?
chrome falcon
They're very similar, BV is better defensively BSC will do a bit more damage
strong forum
you exclusively use IP to prevent overcapping of rage
everything else goes into revenge/execute
chrome falcon
Yes espo basically you're just generating such an absurd amount of rage that you have to mash IP to avoid overcapping
hard vessel
Press IP until you hit BDK hps
toxic pewter
where on the warcraftlogs page is apm shown
strong forum
casts
chrome falcon
when people say prot needs more utility idk what blizz could give them that would make them happy
(put gag order on the dragonflight talent tree though)
strong forum
"the grass is always greener on the other side"
chrome falcon
(give me gag order you fucks)
hard vessel
Bkoodlust
left stone
forgot to mention im bdk main going back to prot warr now lol
hard vessel
Give us fuckin bloodlust
left stone
lmao
strong forum
whenever prot isnt meta, people automatically scream that its utility is shit
i dont see any other tank that has a 20%+ external on a 30sec CD
lol
toxic pewter
is CPM = APM
strong forum
almost
chrome falcon
do any other tanks have 2 ways to aoe disrupt mob casts
strong forum
it includes passive spell procs aswell
chrome falcon
i guess prot paladins with blinding and toll?
strong forum
but its the closest thing to actual APM
civic torrent
Warrior fucking owns
amber herald
prot needs a way to group mobs up I would say is our only true utility "issue"
just make heroic throw silence again
hard vessel
We lack some unique utility like grip, aoe sigils, ring of piece, dispels, Bob, Taifun, Br
strong forum
gag order would do wonders already ye
marsh narwhal
ye people asks for utility and i couldnt care less cuz i played vdh
strong forum
sigils are awful ye
amber herald
I don't think we need it either but people expect tanks to run dungeons for them and that's the hardest to pull off with pwarr
marsh narwhal
they can utility themselves
toxic pewter
what is considered a good ranking on warcraftlogs worldwide
marsh narwhal
i have my shout and thats all they can ask for
chrome falcon
yeah agreed lasagne people want their tanks to serve all the mobs perfectly stack on a silver platter for them
strong forum
VDH is the most helpless tank imo
strong forum
mass grip is fun