Also, your tanks barely get healing
#protection
vernal vale
Looks like they are both slow on rotation too
strong forum
On the very first pull the first tank dies immediately 10sec in
Cuz he just doesn't get healed
blazing condor
longest surviving prot warrior
strong forum
He also didn't use SB for 26sec
devout heron
the attempt im looking at they used SW 15 seconds before the tank hit
okay ill tell them to press SW
properly
strong forum
Even tho he's actively tanking
Both pwars don't press buttons at all
Their casts per minute are in the mid 50s
When they should be in the 80s
devout heron
kinda trial raiding team so..
jagged pier
are they swapping on 1 stack each?
vernal vale
kinda trial raiding team so..
They are both overusing Thunderclap and thus have low rage to actively use thier buttons
vernal vale
Revenge is incredibly underused
devout heron
i really dont know
vernal vale
Should be intervening for reprisal
strong forum
Man they're both just not pressing buttons
vernal vale
That seems to be it and when they are it's poor timing.
strong forum
1k rage in 2min
Bruh
BRUH
That's literally 50% of what it should be
It should be 2k+ in 2min19sec
Not 1k....
vernal vale
Can see shield block being used when not actively tanking as well.
strong forum
Which is fine for dmg, but they're not using reprisal at all
jagged pier
It should be 2k+ in 2min19sec
just checked in 2 min on rygelon hc last week i was at 2273 rage in 2 mins
strong forum
Theyre legit doing only 50% of what they could be
strong forum
Problem is everything
devout heron
they should fix it
jagged pier
problem is everything they are doing
strong forum
They're legit doing everything wrong
vernal vale
okay so problem is reprisal usage?
It's a lot of everything all compounding to make big problems.
strong forum
Not enough buttons, only pump rage into IP instead of revenge
Never using defensives
Not using block
Not even using spear on CD
They should also play necrolord, it's alot stronger if they could press buttons
stoic igloo
necro is so fun in keys 
devout heron
They should also play necrolord, it's alot stronger if they could press buttons
its only a hc encounter, covenant is not a big issue
strong forum
It is an issue if they can't even play the normal class
This is what it should look like
devout heron
so what it looks like?
vernal vale
its only a hc encounter, covenant is not a big issue
Even still necro is tankier. They have tons to work on and should go with the best option.
devout heron
yeah they saw the feedback, thanks for the feedback @strong forum
strong forum
In this 4:04min kill sense generated 4.4k rage, which makes it 1.1k rage gained per minute
Your tanks are at less than 500 rage gained per minute
Which is just wayyyy too little
marsh narwhal
how do u go on rage generation from logs
im kinda yoinking the feedback for myself
strong forum
Resources - > rage
marsh narwhal
yikes im 600 rage a minute
strong forum
keep in mind revenge can also reset shield slam
so using revenge instead of IP is actually a survival gain
marsh narwhal
this was my first raid a prot so i was basically thinking only about the fight and not what to press
ill be putting all the feedback in the next one
strong forum
marsh narwhal
that was a 2 min fight
ocean yoke
yea also didnt use reprisal at all basicallu
if you get yourself into a habit of walking out to charge while taunt swapping thatll help a lot. you can maximize it more as you keep playing but thats how i started for it
helps a ton
marsh narwhal
also i need to actively use the empowered slam more
i track the set but dont actually use it for SS
strong forum
ya thats big time yikes
jagged pier
jagged pier
i track the set but dont actually use it for SS
dusky canopy
it takes practice
strong forum
should do the trick
strong forum
gotta work for this bread
marsh narwhal
going from vdh to prot wasnt the easiest reroll tbh
strong forum
ya lol
strong forum
vdh is legit 2 button rotation in raid
marsh narwhal
ye but it can fly
distant crystal
sir it's 3 buttons
ocean yoke
man makes a point with the flying tho
jagged pier
vdh takes as much brainpower in raid as brew or bear
brew take none in keys
marsh narwhal
ye and also the dmg mitigation isnt split between 15 abilities
u just use spike and brand
jagged pier
i mean SB and IP
marsh narwhal
and spell reflect
strong forum
like i said, gotta work for this bread
marsh narwhal
which i dont use basically never cuz i forget about it
strong forum
lotsa buttons to use
chrome falcon
dw when you reflect 2 wicked bolts for 10% of 2 mobs hp you won't forget about it
dusky canopy
keep Shield block up while you are being hit by enemys
oblique garnet
Press 123
dusky canopy
and dont let your rage bar cap so revenge as much as possible
IP to assist not capping if needed
thunderclap is basically a filler now
marsh narwhal
so ignore pain isnt as important as it looks right
dusky canopy
dont waste globals on it if you dont need too
marsh narwhal
cuz set procs it alone
strong forum
its not important in a sense of defensive use
its important to prevent capping rage
dusky canopy
^^
marsh narwhal
so it wont actually save me defensively
dusky canopy
your healers simply need to heal you through damage you cannot block or reduce with wall
west walrus
🧐
strong forum
which spoilers, youll do alot
dusky canopy
if they argue with you about that theyre wrong
strong forum
IP plays a big role defensively now, but because of tier procs
and because of simple preventing to overcap rage
dusky canopy
youll basically always have ip barrier showing up and disappearing because of tier set LOL
marsh narwhal
so i spam SS and revenge and keep block up
strong forum
marsh narwhal
and ip just to not cap
dusky canopy
yes that is the basics
strong forum
all those 13.6 cpm of ignore pain
are just to prevent overcapping and from tier
thats it
which still results in this
candid niche
what kinda uptime am i looking for on banner ?
strong forum
100% in raid
dusky canopy
100%
strong forum
in m+ 80%+
candid niche
oh fuck
dusky canopy
damnit nom you type faster LOL
candid niche
okay
jagged pier
honestly
candid niche
ty
jagged pier
80+ in everything
strong forum
tru
jagged pier
only some fights u can get 100%
dusky canopy
80+ while in combat
marsh narwhal
is there a minimum haste i should have to keep banner up n stuff?
marsh narwhal
also in raid do i use intervene on the other tank or on some random melee
strong forum
whatever is available that wont kill you
dusky canopy
I most of the time just intervene a random melee in the raid frames
if a healer is near me ill int them
dusky canopy
Azir do you want a mouse over macro for it?
dusky canopy
oh word you did say that
marsh narwhal
its the raid that kinda made me forget about it
dusky canopy
im sure their are useful situations to intervene your co tank but you can also get yourself into trouble doing that
marsh narwhal
ye he's a bdk
dusky canopy
if your co tank gets hit by a boss ability that applys a debuff you will snipe it from them if your intervene is active during that
marsh narwhal
he dont need me
im gonna pick the melees that dont do absolutely nothing but stay alive
strong forum
strong independant bl..ood dk
dusky canopy
LMAO
marsh narwhal
also about last stand, im basically using it as a dps cd to get even more rage
dusky canopy
yes
strong forum
yes
marsh narwhal
good
strong forum
well yea
dusky canopy
meh
blazing condor
i use Rally to boost my monk's ToD 
strong forum
with tier and necro, youre basically immortal for 15sec with LS up
ya'll realise that?
its literally incarn
marsh narwhal
ye thats why i dont use wall as muc h
strong forum
man i rly hope he doesnt read this channel too often
too much smoke being blown up his ass
smh
dusky canopy
LOL
strong forum
rugged mural
Hey tanks. When I'm pugging with a resto druid healer, I often don't see when they drop Ursols. Having some troubles finding a weakaura that alerts when Ursols is dropped when you're not the caster. Anyone have one that might work?
strong forum
there is one that alerts you when ground spells have been used
but i dont recall the name
this one
dusky canopy
Hey tanks. When I'm pugging with a resto druid healer, I often don't see when th...
You could setup OmniCD to show you when abilities are active
sweet summit
you can show the debuff with plater too
dusky canopy
when you see 20 ursols icons show up all at once you cant miss it
sweet summit
true
rugged mural
That spells on ground looks perfect. Thank you! Brew, I do have OmniCD and get a ton of use out of it as a healer. Mostly just use it to gauge AoE stuns and DPS CDs while tanking. Maybe I can set the glow to be more aggressive or something though to track other utility
marsh narwhal
also i never actually looked at it but if i intervene out and charge back in do i get 8 secs of block or it just reset the 4 standard from reprisal
ocean yoke
you get the full 8 but you wont want to since itll waste the revenge proc
marsh narwhal
makes sense
sacred timber
My boomkin afk ;-;
jagged pier
no thats boomkin damage
sacred timber
no thats boomkin damage
❓
jagged pier
boomkins dont do damage
marsh narwhal
in m+
sacred timber
since when >_>
jagged pier
since a long time
dusky canopy
boomkin in my 16 streets earlier did 13k overall
marsh narwhal
catweave cheater
sacred timber
B-tier tank > B-tier RDPS for dps :lul:
dusky canopy
but in comparison the lock and survv hunter hit 18k and 20k
vale coral
Just got 4p on my warrior. Haven't tanked much in 9.3 is the doom and gloom of the "tier list meta" accurate? How does protein feel to play
ocean yoke
protein warrior feels awesome to play right now
dusky canopy
Word
onyx lily
how tf does this guy have 94% banner uptime on mythic halondrus
ocean yoke
prot bad is basically a meme people keep repeating at this point
onyx lily
did Sense descend from the gods?
dusky canopy
@strong forum Theirs that smoke you were mentioning
vale coral
Cool
strong forum
since when >_>
always
they only look good on overalls if you play around their CDs
but their aoe sucks unless its a fully 50sec ramped venthyr
vale coral
Any big pref for keys cov wise? I have them all at max rn
vale coral
Yeah I'm an absolute Mongoloid so playing well is off the table
sacred timber
NF for knockdowns 😎
vale coral
Sounds like no real bad choice though?
sacred timber
venth
marsh narwhal
but most likely
vale coral
I don't like venth anyways. :) thanks guys.
Oh. 1 more question. Is reprisal still the go to as well?
jagged pier
how tf does this guy have 94% banner uptime on mythic halondrus
depends on what your doing, i get to do a bomb so cant stand on boss the whole time
but u can for sure be 100% if u dont leave the boss
vale coral
its the single strongest legendary in the game
This sounds fishy
strong forum
grants you boatloads of rage, uptime on your main mitigation and a free proc of your main dmg button
reprisal turns charge from 15 rage into 80 effectively
vale coral
You're right. It does do a lot. It's like 3 in 1
distant crystal
it's a win/win/win
i just wish it also made revenj have 2 charges
for the intervene out charge in tech
blazing condor
aint no worse m+ class than boomies and frost mages
dont care if they sim high
they dont do damage
strong forum
boomkins are bait
urban portal
the 5th affix
chrome falcon
can confirm 90%+ banner uptime on halondrus is very doable
i'm only getting 3-ish mins into the fight but i'm 100% up to that point
blazing condor
blazing condor
there were no full model pngs of halondrus
strong forum
jagged pier
dawn canyon
sweet summit
uncut notch
Sometimes when the tanking is just so smooth
blazing condor
he takes his role seriously
sacred timber
I love it when someone says "I didn't dps cause orbs" meanwhile the top dps has 2x the orbs of that dps while dealing 4k more....
chilly brook
can you think of a legendary that does more than reprisal
UFR
chilly brook
UFR is so good that bears don't even play it since 9.1 anymore
in fairness double lego + tier
blazing condor
fun
chilly brook
sorry crimson rune weapon
blazing condor
man i hope they make intervene useful in next xpac cus its gonna take a long time getting used to not using intervene for rage
grave crane
in pve probalby reprisal, in pvp Craven strategem is busted
chilly brook
But it only gets busted because of tier
it was still played before tier
strong forum
90% played superstrain
Cuz it was more dmg
And more runic power
Crw was good defensively but overall superstrain was better
Reprisal is the best of both worlds
Most dmg in most situations, coupled with huge defensive gains
vale coral
Legacy of the sleeper is pretty high up there then. Reduced cd on incarn. More defensive and added dam to highest dam ability. More FR and more rage.
sick sentinel
So, everyone is thinking mid-late 2023 for DF
blazing condor
Dn
mighty valley
no idea, i'd guess first half of the year
sick sentinel
DDN
ocean reef
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ocean reef
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sick sentinel
sorry crimson rune weapon
giga leggo that removes the weakness
insta 5 stacks
marrowrend 8 stakcs boom ure safe
sick sentinel
Crw was good defensively but overall superstrain was better
ye ss more damage crw fixed the problem they used to have
blazing condor
dreamy wedge
So how much worse is Punish compared to Devastator for Mythic Plus, in the context that I miss being GCD locked because I have ADHD and like mashing keys?
mighty valley
You're basically GCD locked with Devastator anyway, and Punish is much worse
dreamy wedge
On Aoe ye, on bosses there's a lot of sitting on my hands. Maybe getting the rest of tier will help fix it
RNGsus has not smiled upon me
chrome falcon
how is there any difference between bosses and aoe
mighty valley
You might not be pressing Revenge enough if you're not pressing buttons often
lofty widget
theres always something to press, regardless of tier or not
dawn canyon
it had to happen
chrome falcon
you're only going to be GCD locked if you play bad
and also to actually your question
punish is just shockingly awful
prot is the key-mashiest class we have the highest cpm in the game by like
10
dreamy wedge
Hmm aight, fair enough. On aoe I get a lot more free revenges, so it feels like I can slap it more. I have to ignore pain more than I'd like in my main group because my healer's like 55 with physical disabilities so he's...not the best.
scenic mural
There has literally never been a moment this season where i didnt press a button for anymore than like 1 second and thats to soend outburst on slam
Spamming ignore pain is why you dont have buttons to press, and its not really boosting your survivability
blazing condor
Since pwarrs have at least 60cpm with or without tier that means you always press something on gcd
If you dont then you probably arent doing everything right
chrome falcon
you're not really going to cover for poor healing by spamming IPs
latent pier
I legit couldn't play prot without devastate
blazing condor
If youre rage starved and cant press anything then charge weave
latent pier
I hate the playstyle so much without it
blazing condor
Is it more fun to press devastate that literally does nothing?
chrome falcon
you get at least 2 revenges out of it
chrome falcon
you might think you're missing GCDs when you play devastator
but actually pressing devastate
latent pier
It's like night and day without it. I need it.
latent pier
That's a talent that should just be baseline
or some other less awful way of rage gen passively.
dreamy wedge
Devestate should probably just like...suck less as a button lol. I get why it's not a great button, but I think that we just have a talent deadlocked that gets rid of it because it blows shows its issues
chrome falcon
i just hate the idea of a button that doesn't generate OR spend rage
scenic mural
I mean od much rather devastator be baseline than make devastate better
mighty valley
devastate wasn't the pick all the time last expac, it's just all relative
dreamy wedge
I was gonna say I thought it was lol
lofty widget
it was on the same row as BV was it not?
lofty widget
at least for season 2 through 4 it was not the pick
dreamy wedge
I know in legion it was auto picked because it generated rage for...some reason
chrome falcon
i feel like i'm in an alternate dimension or something
i have 0 memory of pressing devastate for all of BFA
but i definitely did play BV so i guess i'm just insane
lofty widget
we didnt cause we were gcd locked anyway, but we always had the option
ocean yoke
was clappin
mighty valley
yeah, ITF was up against Punish so we took ITF
and BV was better than Devastator
this was also a world where TC slapped so we were taking UF
chrome falcon
yeah warrior was just so boring in bfa that i guess i mind wiped it
oblique garnet
there was a brief moment in ep where you played devastator
chrome falcon
guess that's why i rerolled paladin for 8.3 i can't live in a world where i have to press a button that has a 70% chance to do literally nothing
fathom jetty
This seems to be a week to consider devastate, since it's a spammable ability to get explosives. How are people handling explosives well otherwise? Shield slam one, then start spending victory rush charges on others?
scenic mural
No
dreamy wedge
I usually just right click 'em and let autos do it, tbh
Or if they're far away heroic throw them
scenic mural
Heroic throw
chrome falcon
my main ability that i use to kill explosives is called moonfire because that shit ain't my job
but autos and hc throw and charge do the job well
fathom jetty
Yeah heroic throw is obvious, but it has a min range
chrome falcon
sure but explosives are stationary
scenic mural
Do not use devastate just to kill explosives
chrome falcon
and yeah you can auto twice in the time it takes an explosive to go 0->100
dreamy wedge
If it pops up next to you just right click to kill it; your buttons besides shield slam don't care what you're targeting anyways
scenic mural
And if explosives arent dying its not the tanks fault
sacred timber
anyone have a wa that yells at you when intervene is up
scenic mural
Especially being we are kiting half the dungeon
sacred timber
I can never find out when it is up
scenic mural
Just make standard cd template or throw it on the ol action bar
sacred timber
I need a massive glowing orb
fathom jetty
Are people actually kiting much in dungeons other than halls...?
strange lintel
doing an 18 > prot warrior signs up > sees us > leaves. did i just get prestiged by a fucking prot warrior
mighty valley
prot warriors are getting revenge
strange lintel
xfd
dawn canyon
Revenj*
chrome falcon
prot warrior haters stay mad
dreamy wedge
I keep seeing shit saying they're bad and I'm usually like..."we are?" 95% of the time I feel borderline invincible (minus against stuff like raging casters in Halls etc.) and the burst aoe is manly
chrome falcon
people are really stupid
chilly brook
I keep seeing shit saying they're bad and I'm usually like..."we are?" 95% of th...
people are bad
people play with bad warriors
people get bad opinions
chrome falcon
^
warrior is not the meta pick
therefore meta chasers (a large % of the tank playerbase) abandon warrior
you take away most of the average players and you're only left with good players and bad players
chrome falcon
yep
fathom jetty
Feels more like bad groups than bad warriors? Other tanks can recover from groups missing a lot of kicks (bdk), whereas prot feels like it falls over there
fathom jetty
Also true
mighty valley
and yeah, in middle keys, other tanks are more self reliant
dreamy wedge
Since Prot has no real healing generally speaking, if shit hits the fan and you get slapped you can't bounce back at all like other tanks can
Blood DK loses half his health and is like "kay" and gets most of it back in a single button press
scenic mural
yeah why are you kiting
I kite in 19s am i bad?
chrome falcon
probably? i don't know what your gear is like or what you're pulling
scenic mural
Raging fort double pulls hurt
hard vessel
If you kite in halls then it's fine
If you kite in mists even in 3 pack pull at the end you are doing sth really wrong
mighty valley
if a pack is hanging out for a really long time in raging then your dps probably isn't quite up to what you're pulling
dusky canopy
I only really kite the invis mobs in SoA and the dogs in HoA
hard vessel
You don't need to kite the invis mobs in soa at all if you press CDs, if you hold for double after then you might need
dawn canyon
Rather run than die
hard vessel
Warriors don't run
hard vessel
OK that's not called running
dawn canyon
Tactical retreat
dreamy wedge
It's just flexing on them, especially if you use your "escape" (leap) to then run back into them, just to establish your dominance
hard vessel
Revenge softcap 5 targets is giga bad design
dusky canopy
I always crack up when i see a binding shot or ursols go out immediately when I leap out because I instantly charge back in LOL
hard vessel
I always crack up when i see a binding shot or ursols go out immediately when I ...
Nah be happy about dps using brain
dusky canopy
I mean ya true
uncut notch
I only really kite the invis mobs in SoA and the dogs in HoA
+1, since being necro not really bothered about the stealth SOA pack either
mighty egret
I always crack up when i see a binding shot or ursols go out immediately when I ...
big same
toxic pewter
what is coolest prot warrior race of all time
frosty ridge
orc
languid carbon
Tauren
vernal vale
From a purely fantasy literature perspective. Dwarf
devout basalt
median tulip
can you macro the naaru shield for the kaal fight?
sweet summit
/click ExtraActionButton1
median tulip
thx
civic torrent
dusky canopy
mines F12 using a mmo mouse
ebon geyser
From a purely fantasy literature perspective. Dwarf
From a purely fantasy literature perspective. Human.
Fixed that for you bud.
steel mist
guys which healer is great with prot warrior?
velvet escarp
I’m sure this is a frequently asked question but, I’m looking to get into tanking as my main role for the first time and everything is on the table for next season, but I’m curious as to why prob warrior seems to be so low on the list of talked about or used tanks?
dusky canopy
Ignore pain
velvet escarp
I know tier lists are generally not good indicators of actual balance but I was just curious
ebon geyser
I’m sure this is a frequently asked question but, I’m looking to get into tankin...
because ppl are bad or ppl follow the MeTa
they see what the top guilds use and imagine thinking that what echo runs is the gospel
LOL
velvet escarp
That makes sense
ebon geyser
tanks have never been this inline with eachother
velvet escarp
I was mainly worried about aping to to groups/guilds and getting class cucked
ebon geyser
99% of this monkey brains just play what top tanks play , monk and dk
warrior is fine just need to get used to it
ebon geyser
I was mainly worried about aping to to groups/guilds and getting class cucked
if they dont accept you as a warrior they probably suck and dont know what they are doing so u are better off
dusky canopy
I was mainly worried about aping to to groups/guilds and getting class cucked
warrior is very tanky and does a boat load of damage if* played correctly
ebon geyser
if you gonnabe good u can be good in any tank, if u gonna suck no matter what tank u play you will suck
dusky canopy
Tier lists are dumb anyways all classes are viable in all content, the only time you might ever be held back based on class choice is going for rank 1 content
ebon geyser
now that some tanks do one job better than others yes , now that warrior is bad no. just ppl are bad at it
mighty valley
prot warrior is good and fun and can do all the content, but meta brain is real and you will have a harder time getting into rando guilds/pugs etc than other tanks this patch
ebon geyser
meta brain is as aids as rio score
little sigil
anyone tried doing mythic SoD in 9.2 to try to farm out aegis?
little sigil
hmm ok. i'll have to try to find that then. ive casually looked at group finder past 2 days and have seen a few groups trying to do mythic sylv but not fresh clear
urban portal
anyone tried doing mythic SoD in 9.2 to try to farm out aegis?
Aegis is basically impossible
People usually do sylv skip
obtuse monolith
10 warrior aegis rdm farm group. Go!
urban portal
Rdm isn't very good either
obtuse monolith
Actually weave too now that they fixed it. WF kills with RDM and Weave
RDM for Brew anyway
urban portal
Weave good
Rdm is whatever
Tho no shot anyone wants to do fatescribr
Not in a pug
little sigil
Aegis is basically impossible
yee which is my gut feeling i'll have 0 luck consistently attempting for the drop. prob gonna have to settle for codex
velvet escarp
Thanks for all the advice
sick sentinel
prot warrior is good and fun and can do all the content, but meta brain is real ...
a party lead once invited me cause he hasnt seen a prot warr in years
did 12k overall
chrome falcon
the tldr on prot warrior is that a 10/10 prot warrior player is going to do about as well as like a 8/10 bdk
sick sentinel
:gigachad:
chrome falcon
whereas a 10/10 bdk is going to top dps and healing
(this is a simplification but we basically have a high floor and a high ceiling whereas certain other classes have a lower floor and a ceiling that is somewhere close to the moon)
obtuse monolith
Seriously need tank support runs tho. Blood Brew Guard Prot Prot Vengeance all can want something from old content, and half can heal too
velvet escarp
Ya it’s kind of between warrior/Druid/paladin for me
I just don’t like DK so I never usually play it
velvet escarp
We’ll I’ll try to get into a guild but it seems kind of hard as a new tank at least to get a slot so I’ll prob be in m+ for a bit while I learn
mighty valley
druid's fun enough if you go hard on catweaving
the actual tanking part is real boring
is catweaving even good right now
but yes. getting into a raiding guild this far into a patch as a tank is hard, and extra hard if you're not meta
velvet escarp
Ya best solution will prob be do M+ really learn what class I pick and play the new season while casually looking for guilds
For next xpac
vernal vale
We’ll I’ll try to get into a guild but it seems kind of hard as a new tank at le...
As someone actively looking for a new guild it's hard even as a melee dps right now.
Be willing to dps to start and your much more likely to get in.
velvet escarp
That’s true though with the ability to get tier gear out of m+ my desire to raid goes down lol
steady belfry
Wanting to pickup tanking. Would you guys not recommend warrior to a new tank player??
mighty valley
Just pick the one you like the look/theme of the best
steady belfry
I like warrior but people make it sound like its super hard to learn it for someone that’s new
mighty valley
It's pretty hard rn
Compared to other tanks
But if you stick with it it's fine
And who knows what'll happen next year
vernal vale
I like warrior but people make it sound like its super hard to learn it for some...
Put time in on a dummy and take tye feedback from people here and you'll do just fine.
Hardest part is other people's perception of warrior.
sick sentinel
anything i need ot know tankign 3rd boss soa and beyond?
in a boost and tank dc so im on prot
toxic pewter
Basically make sure all sort of group up when arrows above your heads
Then pull boss away to make space
Then when balls come don’t let them reach boss
sick sentinel
is spell reflect charged stomp worth it
toxic pewter
Maybe save spell reflect for when balls move toward boss and intercept them
ocean yoke
reflect mucho nice on stomp it reflects the damage
sand pebble
Wtf is furyprot a thing?
sick sentinel
no
i was doing a key boost
and 3rd boss the tank dcd
and i have reprisal and was the only class that can spec tank
so just went prot
sand pebble
Nice
sand pebble
Take tanks cut imo
sand pebble
How much are key carries atm? Be hard to find sales now
sick sentinel
not too bad
idk how much they sell for
but i get 40k cut per
its mainly return buyers
but i get 2-3 a day
sand pebble
Nice
I should start doing that to fill my vault every week instead of carrying guildies who dont run keys they just want 1-4 per week
sand pebble
Meanwhile 7 of us run 20-30 a week
sick sentinel
320k
to you
idk i would run keys but
more of them but
i just need hoa
for socket
my toon is too good :(
sand pebble
Yeah sounds good help repay the 6x291 leggos i made week 1
waxen orbit
lime trail
Quick, 4set or Reprisal for raid encounter
Don't ask why I just have to pick one or the other atm
toxic pewter
Dwarf or dark iron dwarf?
urban portal
reprisla
uncut notch
but i get 40k cut per
Holy shit - for 15s?!
sick sentinel
yeah
uncut notch
Fuck me how do I get into this
sick sentinel
depends ur server i guess
uncut notch
I’m literally doing this like 10x a week for free anyway
sick sentinel
im new to my alliance on my server
so i just msgd the first few ppl
who were adving
just asked them to inv me if they need plate at all
started boosting with 1 guy
geared my alt a bit and now have 2 chars i boost on so
its pretty easy to get like
200k + gold a day
uncut notch
Interesting
As I said like I’m hard carrying 15s anyway
I’ll give it a shot thanks man
sick sentinel
nw dude good luck
ionic fern
Rich.
strong forum
40k per key is pretty low considering how early it is in the season
echo egret
Anyone with tips on DOS fortified ? The first two packs are nightmares to me.
strong forum
Early season keys used to be like 80-100k cuts
strong forum
Anyone with tips on DOS fortified ? The first two packs are nightmares to me.
Use Lust on first pack + SW, once CDs run out start kiting the skelly adds minimally
2nd pack you should have SW back up again, use LS and SW there until they fall off, start kiting the skelly adds again
They have a 1y range instant magic nuke
So you just barely need to outrangr them and you gucci
echo egret
Yep I know of that one
(playing with pugs only) then there is the infamous shadowcore that people don't kick
strong forum
That's a deal breaker for every tank
echo egret
Should I charge into the pack with SW up ?
echo egret
It's just that I saw my HP melt instantly last time 🙂
jagged pier
Im down to 40k gold now
u an alchemist?
strong forum
🤷♂️
blazing condor
It's just that I saw my HP melt instantly last time 🙂
death speaker casts shadowcore like the first thing he does so maybe that went off?
ionic fern
It's just that I saw my HP melt instantly last time 🙂
Maybe you got smacked in the back?
blazing condor
i usually charge in and pop SR cus no one interrupts it anyway
also no @jagged pier
echo egret
Maybe you got smacked in the back?
By the first two ones that I run past ? Yes quite possibly
jagged pier
also no <@179993058186625025> <:sadge:820202363359854633>
F, u can make tone of money for 5 mins work as alchemist depending on market
uncut notch
i usually charge in and pop SR cus no one interrupts it anyway
This
uncut notch
If you last stand and rally before timer with a holy priest stam buff you can have a 100k fleshcraft which has made big openers a fuckin breeze
uncut notch
forgot to do that in my 21 dos yesterday <:okayge:917646812519739433>
riiiiiiiiiiiip
jagged pier
i forget to fleshcraft
uncut notch
but first pack was fine anyway
Always the second one that gets me down bad
jagged pier
and when i do
blazing condor
if you go wo into ardenweald you can just pop all your CDs if you need to
jagged pier
i just tap it for mastery
uncut notch
i just tap it for mastery
I mean there is literally no cost to precasting before timer and a 100k absorb is HUGE
blazing condor
since you wont need any CDs for boss you'll have it back on the way out
uncut notch
Otherwise i dont really bother
If we have a second of downtime ill do it, or sometimes i pop mid fight if i can see healer is struggling
But i suspect i have less than 10% uptime
jagged pier
can someone bonk me i actually feel like doing keys after work
and i dont want to do them
uncut notch
and i dont want to do them
Why not? keys are fun
uncut notch
Are you a raidyboy?
uncut notch
Interesting - Find raid tanking horrifically boring and m+ has literally saved the game for me
But i dont raid mythic yet as my guild just doesnt have the dps
and heroic is pretty easy to tank - I'm still very much in the wait wait wait wait wait wait taunt wait wait wait wait wait taunt
If youre in a guild with varying ability - M+ is infinitely more rewarding too, I dont like to credit Asmongold too much but i think he nailed it when he described progression raiding as "waiting for the dumbest guy in your guild to fuck it up for everyone".
Anduin's blasphemy honestly broke something in me
jagged pier
how? that mechanic is really easy
but then again i did star augur
which i still thought was easy at the time
🤷
uncut notch
It is easy.
Stop, think, go
Even on normal where you get 5-10 business days to sort it out
We'd regularly lose 5-6 people per pull to it
Its better now, but still such a diceroll
jagged pier
i dunno, i never had a group for m+ and still dont most of my guild does keys when i cant so ive been stuck in pug hell since legion
i hate m+ and would rather they just bring back CMs with cosmetic rewards
uncut notch
i dunno, i never had a group for m+ and still dont most of my guild does keys wh...
That really sucks man - static team m+ is one of the most rewarding things ive ever done
uncut notch
and i dont find tanking boring in raid never have
Fair enough - I think if i pushed mythic as you do i'd find it more interesting
solid granite
i pug all my keys - just like raids its a mixed bag
uncut notch
But normal and heroic is tiring
mighty valley
i like the people i raid with so i'm happy to watch them get better
but also i like m+ because i also do that with friends
weird, that
uncut notch
I do enjoy the social side of raiding
But if i was doing it for prog i'd have pulled my eyes out through my asshole by now
mighty valley
i think every single raider is thinking "god why doesn't everyone else do this right" and then making excuses for themselves when they fuck up
uncut notch
i think every single raider is thinking "god why doesn't everyone else do this r...
yeah - thats fair, reality is i probably get away with a lot of shit because 115k hp lets you fuck up a lot on normal and heroic and not die
solid granite
we killed xymox yesterday - people were raging until i told people to 'breath through their pants' (german idiom) and relax, play safe and dont care for dps/logs. Thats raiding for me, the team-building exercise
mighty valley
yeah that's 100% the call lol
blazing condor
thats the only fun part about raiding
mighty valley
stop obsessing about perfection until you've learned to not die
blazing condor
uncut notch
Also - is there a reason we cant react to messages
ionic fern
Probably.
uncut notch
Just wanna throw out the odd heart eyes you know?
strong forum
Also - is there a reason we cant react to messages
Racism mostly
uncut notch
Racism mostly
christ....
solid granite
Racism mostly
yeah, figured. When the trans-person was on the panel on the dragonflight-stream, people turned into racist incels in a hurry
mighty valley
yeah. easier to ban people for gross messages than vague reacts that mean the same thing
uncut notch
yeah, figured. When the trans-person was on the panel on the dragonflight-stream...
Reminds me of the thing about the community council, they opened up subscriber suggestions and the first one was "too many black people in stormwind"
mighty valley
sorry rando user who named themselves twitch but you kinda should have expected this
uncut notch
sorry rando user who named themselves twitch but you kinda should have expected ...
:Laugh react:
strong forum
99% of those pings are people who aren't active here anyway
solid granite
just posting 🏳️⚧️ gets peoples panties in a twist
mighty valley
🏳️⚧️
uncut notch
🏳️⚧️
strong forum
Calm down there
blazing condor
🪢
mighty valley
oh is this a knotting channel now
solid granite
protection knitting
lyric geode
Guys. I build my unity legendary instead of waist to wrist.
solid granite
-dom
lyric geode
I dont understand why should I remove my 278 socketed helmet.
Also, my waist is 272 haste/versa with avoidance so unity on waist is a big no no.
strong forum
Cuz you want Str
mighty valley
in a perfect world you just want your 291 unity to be crafted on a slot with the biggest item budget
and helm is our worst statted tier piece
strong forum
And helmet offers the most stats from 278 to 291 more than any other slot
lyric geode
It is socketed my helmet too.
jagged pier
okay but a 291 socket is better
jagged pier
compaining about 30k
strong forum
Rip
lyric geode
It costed me 200m
jagged pier
when they are 60k on my realm
lyric geode
200k
mighty valley
wtf, the cheapest legendaries on mine are 90k
strong forum
When I resubbed I had to spend 150k on legendaries
I didn't even re-craft unity yet
jagged pier
u also never will
strong forum
That's only reprisal to boots and signet on wirst
jagged pier
🤔
strong forum
u also never will
yes
jagged pier
thats chad energy right there
solid granite
i have reprisal & reverb on boots, unity belt & cloak, and wall on cloak
uncut notch
when they are 60k on my realm
120k here
blazing condor
👎
jagged pier
i really need a shield with stats as well
xd
missing a good chunk of stats for an on use i dont use
👍
solid granite
Guardian Shield gang!
jagged pier
more like Guardian Shield gang 
solid granite
just never use the 'use' effect 5head
solid granite
😄
lyric geode
That's only reprisal to boots and signet on wirst
My previous signet was 190 ilvl. It means from 190 to 291 is 100 ilvl increase!
blazing condor
101 actually 🤓
uncut notch
Wait do you guys actually run signet
uncut notch
Avatar procs reck -> Fuck yes? amazing? So happy right now?
Avatar proc Bladestorm -> I hate this and want to die
jagged pier
proccing BS is fine
uncut notch
Its supremely annoying
jagged pier
it just does less damage than seismic
uncut notch
Reck is 1000000% the preferred option
jagged pier
and rep glory combo on ST
mighty valley
signet for offspec
lyric geode
and rep glory combo on ST
??
mighty valley
reprisal/glory does highest st dps
jagged pier
yer and signet still doenst help there
mighty valley
The burst is nice if the dps has absolutely no restraint at all
But it’s sad to lose the overall banner power
uncut notch
Kyrian is the way on pig grouls.
Not super sure i agree
mighty valley
Ideally they’d just not be dumb
uncut notch
Spear was EZ mode aggro tho but like if youre losing aggro just spaff an outburst on TC and youre set
jagged pier
NL is better in m+ more damage if played correctly
if dps burst first global
thats their fault
not yours
uncut notch
if dps burst first global
I went absolutely ballistic at a fury warrior for this once
lyric geode
I lose aggro sometimes when I play necro
uncut notch
SD20, my first 20 key, i move forward on the opener to do the double
He spears, recks, and signet procs BS
All while im still like 30 yards away gathering pack 2
he dies immediately
uncut notch
"tank wtf aggro??????"
jagged pier
not yours
lyric geode
Ofc necro is better if played correctly overall.
uncut notch
For some reason that just unlocked some deep fuckin rage in me and i popped off
lyric geode
It is their fault I lose aggro?
uncut notch
It is their fault I lose aggro?
Depends
jagged pier
well if your loosing aggro in the middle of the pull then thats your problem
jagged pier
if its 2 seconds into a pull its their problem
mighty valley
If it’s obvious you’re still working on securing initial aggro, yes
lyric geode
Ah ok
uncut notch
But tbf you should be losing a "Lot" of mobs
Sometimes if a lock hard focuses one mob i have to throw an SS on it to keep it
but its rare to lose a pack
mighty valley
Though also it’s blizzard’s fault, not really fun for aggro to get sketchy when dps scaling goes wild
uncut notch
If a hunter or rogue ever get aggro under any circumstance it is also their fault
blazing condor
i havent really had any aggro problems yet without spear
but its definitely more work
lyric geode
The problem with protection warriors is the burst aoe dmg is from covenant.
blazing condor
more challenging shouts and taunt casts
uncut notch
more challenging shouts and taunt casts
I'd love challenging shout to be 3 mins tho
not 4
mighty valley
some classes like dk really need to hold their burst now
lyric geode
If you dont have kyrian or Nf covenant. You don't have any burst
blazing condor
if you got avatar you can avatar TC on pull just to tag mobs a bit on the burst
even though its suboptimal
uncut notch
Esp when compared to consecration for example that is pretty much the same effect but every ten seconds
(obviously i know its not the same)
mighty valley
Consecration is not an aoe taunt lmao
uncut notch
Consecration is not an aoe taunt lmao
I know its not, but its easy mode AOE threat gen
strong forum
Just like our deep wounds are
uncut notch
Next time youre raid tanking with a paladin, do some trash, stand in the consecration and try to rip aggro back
very very hard
lyric geode
Deep wound damage is meh.
strong forum
Not rly
mighty valley
Sure we don’t have anything quite as easy as barrel/shield/etc but not everyone has an emergency aoe taunt either
uncut notch
Dmg = threat
Is it that linear?
blazing condor
all good
strong forum
There's no hidden modifier for consc to generate more threat.
strong forum
Is it that linear?
Yes
blazing condor
only taunt and HT generate extra threat for us
strong forum
Only specific spells who specifically tell you that they generate extra threat
Generate extra threat
mighty valley
It’s paladins whole damage kit that keeps aggro, not just consc
Shield on pull is a big easy burst too
strong forum
If you don't have threat against another tank on trash, that simply means he deals more dmg than you
That's it.
❗
blazing condor
every time i pop into raid i'm always on "high threat" on the boss
uncut notch
If you don't have threat against another tank on trash, that simply means he dea...
Interesting - the ppal and me are usually about the same at 20/30k on trash
blazing condor
cus my co tank do like 3k dps
strong forum
Yes but you need to do over 10% more to rip aggro
mighty valley
Also whoever gets threat first will keep it til they beat you by ….. yeah what nom said
uncut notch
Yes but you need to do over 10% more to rip aggro
this makes sense
strong forum
Threat is ripped by 110% threat in melee, 130% in ranged
uncut notch
Good segue tho
been messing around with fury
the threatgen is wild
not even doing mega damage either like im doing 11k overall if im lucky
strong forum
Cuz it's in burst
median tulip
Pallys shield throw makes for excellent burst threat as an opener. It's why I always have my co-tank open
strong forum
When I start I just open with taunt
Usually does the trick
BTW everyone should do that*
On every boss or prio mob
blazing condor
my dps always pulls 2 seconds before though
uncut notch
BTW everyone should do that*
But if i do that the feral druid that convokes as an opener every time wont get oneshot?
uncut notch
my dps always pulls 2 seconds before though
same
strong forum
But if i do that the feral druid that convokes as an opener every time wont get ...
Cuz it's only on 1 target
Fury does it on all of them
uncut notch
Its so bad i press taunt at 2.5
blazing condor
then the raid leader got pissy at me cus i reset the boss when they pulled early
mighty valley
Yeah you gotta teach early pullers a lesson
blazing condor
"cus now we gotta wait for cds again"
mighty valley
Taunt after they die
blazing condor
yeah i am petty with that
uncut notch
We have one guy that just does it every pull, casts frostbolt on 4
blazing condor
let him die
mighty valley
We are not wiping to this boss because you started 0.5s too late, please chill out
strong forum
Well
uncut notch
Meh
strong forum
A good caster pre-casts
uncut notch
cost zero for me to press taunt
median tulip
We have one guy that just does it every pull, casts frostbolt on 4
I'd just let that guy die
uncut notch
my old gdruid tank buddy used to go fucking ballistic
strong forum
And positions himself so he his frostbolt hits by the time the timer hits 0
uncut notch
And positions himself so he his frostbolt hits by the time the timer hits 0
to what gain tho
mighty valley
Precasting is good if you do it right
blazing condor
And positions himself so he his frostbolt hits by the time the timer hits 0
yes this is obviously what you should do
but when it hits at 2
then its annoyin
strong forum
Every good boomy pre-casts wrath at like 5
median tulip
Same as when I play Resto Shaman and you can't be bothered dropping your stacks on skolex because you're too busy doing deeps; I will just stop healing those people
strong forum
Cuz it's travel time is beyond huge
mighty valley
But the rogues who get oneshot by skolex by going in a second early need to learn
blazing condor
i started doing pull 5s as well so no one had time 
but that wasn't popular either
strong forum
Well yeah that's dumb
uncut notch
But the rogues who get oneshot by skolex by going in a second early need to lear...
yeah i learned to stop charging skolex as dps hahah
uncut notch
A rogue without Tricks going in before the tank taunted
I think hes talking about the swipe damage maybe?
strong forum
I'm talking in general
uncut notch
Ah yeah
mighty valley
Yeah melee gotta be careful on immobile bosses
median tulip
If you're the first guy into melee with Skolex and you're not the tank, you're probably going to die
You can get away with it as Arms due to DBTS
blazing condor
median tulip
But DBTS is one of the best defensives DPS get, IMO
mighty valley
I don’t actually ever make people die on purpose because I care about winning lol
mighty valley
But I will gently remind people about what’s almost killing them
uncut notch
I don’t actually ever make people die on purpose because I care about winning lo...
Yeah there is now way in this situation that you come out looking good haha
median tulip
It is sick
Amazing on Spiteful weeks; Arms can just treat Spiteful as a non-affix
mighty valley
It does have a cd
lyric geode
How does he able to though?
lyric geode
Ok
blazing condor
i remember danwarr doing a lot of taunt > dbts plays
to negate certain things in m+
uncut notch
Tried a dos 19
First pack was spicy
second one was death sentence
Gimme Tyr dos any day
jagged pier
hoa is just 
blazing condor
hoa on tyr is fun all the way to the 2nd boss
then you get people who cant decurse
or wont
and then its 40k on the leap + 30k dot
bye bye
uncut notch
If you play Gdruid - is it a viable strat to just not kill the imps
and then just feed the thrash absorb
blazing condor
not really
cus the imps will truck you
they explode when they die
dealing group wide damage
not to mention they spam bolts on everyone
so lets say you save the imps and get 2 sets of them
you kinda dead
uncut notch
not to mention they spam bolts on everyone
This is a note i wanna pick up actually
Gathering them up - worth it or nah
dawn canyon
Also no shot any dps let small adds up