protection

[toxic pewter]

does goblin look good

[strong forum]

No

[dawn canyon]

its fun tho

[toxic pewter]

y small races all look bad

except dwarf

[strong forum]

The axe is too small for it's grip

[dawn canyon]

idk bout you

but i hate this

[toxic pewter]

the damn ears again

would look cool without the ears

[strong forum]

You mean feet and shoulders

And helmet

[toxic pewter]

lol

[strong forum]

Shoulders too small

[dawn canyon]

feet mainly

[strong forum]

Feet too big, hands too small

[toxic pewter]

goblin proportions look off yea

[strong forum]

Vulpera has better proportions

Still big feet, but not that big

[deft hinge]

gief mongoose on the slopy fish from bfa

[strong forum]

Bigger shoulders, bigger hands

[toxic pewter]

vulpera cant wear boots

they dont show up i mean

[strong forum]

They can

[toxic pewter]

except some

[toxic pewter]

actually looks cool tbh lmao

[dawn canyon]

helm doesnt help

[strong forum]

Looks much better, but turn off helmet

[toxic pewter]

but the ears..

[dawn canyon]

but ye

[toxic pewter]

damn ears man

[dawn canyon]

dude the ears are cute tho

[strong forum]

If yiu use helmets on any race

You're wrong

[toxic pewter]

I use sun glasses

[strong forum]

You NEVER use helmets

[toxic pewter]

are glasses or goggles ok

[strong forum]

No

Goggles are illegal

[dawn canyon]

green goggles good

[strong forum]

All goggles bad

[toxic pewter]

what is best alliance race

[strong forum]

Only extremely select few helmets are allowed

[toxic pewter]

do kul tirans look cool

[strong forum]

No

[toxic pewter]

i feel like they can look cool

o

[deft hinge]

what about diving helmet hoho

[strong forum]

Dwarf is best alliance race

[toxic pewter]

true

[strong forum]

Kuktiran is fat with tiny shoulders

Proportions are off

[toxic pewter]

I see

what about night elf warrior

[dawn canyon]

it manages to make this belt look even worse

[toxic pewter]

they could look cool

[strong forum]

Nightelf male has awful animations

[toxic pewter]

i see

[dawn canyon]

also is too thin

[toxic pewter]

are dwarf and dark iron dwarf basically the same

look /animations

[strong forum]

Ye

[toxic pewter]

ok

[dawn canyon]

dwaf better

more hairstyles

[strong forum]

Dwarf is more defensive

But that's about it

[toxic pewter]

I would prob go dwarf... I think....

dark iron seems cool tho i cant lie

its a tough one

[strong forum]

Did will get better tmog with 9 2.5

[toxic pewter]

i see

[strong forum]

Awesome weapons

[toxic pewter]

what about mechagnome

[strong forum]

Don't.

Anything but them

[toxic pewter]

is it true half their body cant even transmog

[strong forum]

Yes

[toxic pewter]

can it be changed at haircut place

at least

[strong forum]

You can't mog pants, boots and gloves

[toxic pewter]

i see

can you change how they look at haircut

im assuming yes

[strong forum]

Ofc

[toxic pewter]

draenei?

they seem cool

also

what their problem

[dawn canyon]

legs

coomers

[ebon geyser]

U think u can handle the dwarf haste?

[toxic pewter]

lmao

[strong forum]

Draenei are good

Male draenei have meh animations tho

[toxic pewter]

draenei female lookin good to this day

[strong forum]

Female are great tho

In all regards

[toxic pewter]

yea they may be best looking race in entire game tbh

they are furries also

like my vulpera

[dawn canyon]

well female draenai remains a goat

leg wise

[dusky canopy]

Dwarf all day

Best race

[grave crane]

Goblin gang and orc gang

[uncut notch]

Interface -> hide helm since like 2004 gang

[toxic pewter]

i wear shades

i am bad ass

vulpera gang, where my other foxxxy friends at?!?!

sound off!!

🦗

what is best items to upgrade with valor: weapon, tier items, or rings

@here

[dawn canyon]

1st of all

that ping wont work

[toxic pewter]

y

[dawn canyon]

2ndly depends on your gear

[mighty valley]

they disabled pings that would piss off literally everyone

[frosty ridge]

lol nice try with the ping

[toxic pewter]

ok I have 1 trinket i cant get rid of (ran streets over 24 times now no luck)

[sick sentinel]

im going to assume weapon/shield if those upgrades are available to you and you need it

[toxic pewter]

so i dont want to upgrade trinket

shield 278

weapon or tier

i guess is my question

or rings?

[mighty valley]

tier is reasonable, low chance of just raw hitting the 278 in vault

since there's a few weapons

[toxic pewter]

true

weapon is 265

does weapon impact dps a lot these days

[sweet summit]

the most out of any stat

[sick sentinel]

weapon upgrade increases weapon damage

[toxic pewter]

sort of leaning toward weapon..

[sweet summit]

usually go shield=>weapon>trinket>ring/neck>tier>rest

[urban portal]

265 weapon is whatever

Can get that from vault

I mean drops

[toxic pewter]

yeah but i can make it into 272 weapon

[sick sentinel]

so, you get a bigger hit from attacks that take into consideration weapon damagfe

[toxic pewter]

well next week i can

actually get more stats from tier helm

[sick sentinel]

acension is cool but ehh i dunno

too much freedom in that game for the average player i think, while also being restricted to the knowns of classic/tbc

[urban portal]

its wrath mechs

[sick sentinel]

you can take a bunch of paladin abilities and then a priest thing you found that says "icnreases the damage of your holy spells by 10%" and then its only priest ones, or like, you can't giga stack TG weapons with posion, seal, fury, bonus attack, etc

[ebon geyser]

i have hit rock bottom

....

of my icecream

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iftPChrDfBc

[woven laurel]

is there any situation u would press empowered thunder clap

[hollow hill]

I try to avoid it for the most part

[distant crystal]

40 targets that will all die in the next 5 seconds should do it

i think it's like, even when it's enough targets that t-clap would do more dmg, you'd still slam for more rage?

[chrome falcon]

Revenge > TC

Empowered slam = rage

Solve for x where x is the amount of people in your pug who will whine about prot warrior even when you do 13k dps

(I outburst TC on huge pulls where I have LS and ravager running and the SS rage would literally be wasted)

And I’m not even sure if that’s correct

[mighty valley]

tbh that's probably good for the snap threat against aoe bursters too

[vernal vale]

Well lets see how fucked raid goes tonight

[torpid junco]

When/how are we using flesh craft in keys?

Also I feel like if I don’t hit thunder clap I have gaps where I’m hitting nothing waiting for something to come up.. that normal? Hard to break the habit of using thunder clap a lot

[mighty valley]

You can try and prep so that you press TC before you hit 8 stacks to max chance of SS proc

I don't have a lot of gaps tbh

[toxic pewter]

I wont lie I feel like I am alwasy in a rush due to conquerors banner so I feel like even wasting 2 seconds channeling fleshcraft is hard to fit in sometimes lol

[mighty egret]

you can just tap it so you can get the mastery buff

[vernal vale]

i feel like shield slam is never resetting despite slamming revenge a ton tonight

its proving incredibly annoying

[toxic pewter]

sorry if this is dumb question but does intervene also affect magical ranged attacks

[chrome falcon]

@torpid junco no, dead global should be rare to nonexistent. Go proc reprisal so you can keep pressing revenge.

[vernal vale]

fuck me just realized i wasnt wearing unity

no wonder i couldnt maintain banner

was wearing that % of health socket thing for ZM rares

[ebon geyser]

keep us posted kick that pally ass

[vernal vale]

well i parsed better on Vigilant and Artificer than I did last week.... So I should have done much much better than i did even.

Raid leader getting mad because i cannot see motes through the boss to break on holandrus

refuses to call them out at all

[toxic pewter]

you can see where they will spawn the blue line of swirlies

so you can search for those swirlies and position yourself

[vernal vale]

watch for them as much as i can but on the completely opposite side of the room someone should call

[mighty valley]

my cotank and i are generally on opposite sides of boss and talk about it

but also high angle camera helps

[vernal vale]

that pull he got mad because i swung the beam across the raid

cannot makeup his mind

[civic torrent]

They are the white lines not blue

[civic torrent]

Rightfully so, you should already be in position and communicating with your cotank on who's going toget which one

Sounds like you fucked up to me

[vernal vale]

cotank doesnt talk

[civic torrent]

https://youtu.be/xepemRn6xvQ

They are the white ones

[toxic pewter]

oh ur right theyre light

my bad

there are no blue ones lmao

O_o

[civic torrent]

Sounds like you're making excuses matey, I'm sure they listen if you talk, on heroic there is 2 per set - if you wanna vent sure ok, but there's a lot you can do to remedy the situation other than look for sympathy here

[civic torrent]

You didn't get an answer, but the answer is no, its only physical

[toxic pewter]

Ok I figured as much ty

[civic torrent]

All gravy

[vernal vale]

the venting comes from it never being the paladins faulot

paladin can fuck up to high heaven and it never mattered

paladin didnt taunt after beam i get asked why im dead

from taking second beam

[latent pier]

first key as 4set necro prot.

I'm a believer in the dream.

[sacred timber]

how much health do explosive orbs have?

[urban portal]

like 1

[latent pier]

i think a caster auto would one shot one.

[sacred timber]

would Shadow Word pain one shot?

[vernal vale]

should yeah

[urban portal]

nah caster autos dont

ik this because charge doesnt 1 shot

if you dont have enough vers/mastery/strength

[mighty valley]

there's a big ilvl vdh in my guild and throw glaive doesn't quite 1shot them

sounds like hell

[ebon geyser]

I wouldn't talk If you don't know the story.

[ebon geyser]

Abandon that ship bud. U deserve better

[vernal vale]

looking for a new guild but no luck

[ebon geyser]

Yeah it will suck since we are at the end of this shit xpac

Don't stop looking though

And as soon as u can jump do it

Idk if is in your plans but consider horde

Or hopefully this horde /ally thing might be good

[vernal vale]

Yeah, I prefer to stay alliance. Someone has to after all.

The cross faction raiding should open lots of doors for everyone.

[wraith hemlock]

low enough for heroic throw to kill them always

or at least mine do

[wraith hemlock]

wut? doesn't glaive do more damage than HT?

[sacred timber]

When can I buy DPS

[nocturne sage]

for h livhuvim, you sr, sw, and sb and you take both tank mechs?

[green eagle]

no? i just swap with my co-tank

you just gotta be quick on the taunt-offs

[nocturne sage]

going off of what was said earlier today

[urban portal]

I had a rogue that was doing tank damage

But he got 75% of orbs

So I forgave him

[mighty valley]

ass rogue on fort week is rough

[maiden ravine]

So, think any arms or fury ability will be in reach of prot and good value in new trees?

Maybe piercing howl, haha

[ionic fern]

We got TC.

If Execute is here to stay i wanna see Massacre / Sudden Death.

👀

[woven laurel]

does the safeguard conduit benefit the warrior at all or only the player they intervene?

[ionic fern]

Only the target.

[maiden ravine]

Execute I can see being in the class tree so maybe we don't have to have it anymore. Sudden Death feels like something they'll lock to spec but who knows.

[ionic fern]

I hope it will just stay baseline.

[maiden ravine]

as one of the skills warrior learns from 1-10?

[jagged pier]

we used to have SD in Wod

was the only talent on the row u took

i miss it

[brittle owl]

i miss u

😳

[maiden ravine]

too bad we know they'd never add gladiator back in

Banner would be neat, but that is probably a bit too necorlord

They'll give us spear competing against something cool

[jagged pier]

banner could be a talent like convoke but it wont be worth it unless we get some massive rage gain

[mighty valley]

banner is cool with like a pile of bonuses on it, weird option standalone

spear and condemn (made better) make sense as possible talent options

but it sounds like almost all abilities are in the talent trees now, so the idea of "baseline" makes less sense

[ionic fern]

?

[uncut notch]

Just please god, titans grip prot

[median tulip]

Certainly it was implied that more abilities are optional from the talent trees, and fewer are baseline

[uncut notch]

Gimme a polearm and a shield

And I can die happily

[median tulip]

Quite. Banner without some form of Rage-spend to either extend it or to reduce the cooldown isn't very attractive

It's a Dragon themed expansion; is it too much to ask that they make Dragon Charge a PvE ability instead of PvP only?

I would highly appreciate having some form of ability like Dragon Charge to displace mobs

[jagged pier]

that would be a shit talent

let me charge knock all mobs back

so they arent stacked

and maybe

[uncut notch]

I always wanted intervene to have like a 3ft knock

Huge grief potential

[jagged pier]

knock them into another pack i dont want

[uncut notch]

But 9/10 I see pug dps dying to circles and I wanna be able to save em like a priest can

[median tulip]

or knock them out of Sanguine/Defensive Shield/Break their uninterruptable cast/whatever

[uncut notch]

I like this idea

Doesn’t have to be much, it can even be just one mob

[jagged pier]

menace does the same thing

[uncut notch]

Same bounce as ROP

[jagged pier]

but we dont take menace

[uncut notch]

I thought menace just made them stand still

[median tulip]

We don't take Menace because it's up against 2 much better talents

[jagged pier]

no not really

that entire row is preference

if u want to knock stuff out of sanguine take menace

[median tulip]

Yeah, and Menace is the shit choice

[uncut notch]

Holy shit I never noticed the knock back

[maiden ravine]

Warriors basically only have slam to 10 right?

[uncut notch]

Wait are we back to bounding stride

[maiden ravine]

I guess prots freebie talent will be shield slam

[mighty valley]

From this interview https://www.wowhead.com/news/wow-dragonflight-talent-revamp-faq-blizzard-answers-player-questions-326796?webhook

[ionic fern]

🤢

[mighty valley]

If they end up like the trees we saw yesterday, so much stuff in the middle is gonna be basically "baseline"

[ionic fern]

It has potential.
But knowing blizz, they will royally fuck it up.

So.

🤷

Watch them do WW vs Revenge.

[median tulip]

There will undoubtedly be "meaningful choices" to be made between abilities that are mutually unreachable due to the limited number of available talent points

There will also be talents that are so useful they are basically mandatory.

I, for one, look forward to putting 5 points into Cruelty once again 🙄

[mighty valley]

they've heavily implied that the passives aren't just stats

[median tulip]

There will be something that's as mandatory as 5 in Cruelty was back in the day

[mighty valley]

well, yeah, both because we'll fill out a majority of the tree and there are literal prerequisites

[ionic fern]

"Oh, pick what ever you want but the one ability you really-really need is on the left side of the tree so if you go right side you won't get it".

[mighty valley]

darn, sounds like it'll be a video game

[strong forum]

Na

The druid tree doesn't suggest anything more than very few nodes with multiple points spent, and they are all looking skill enhancements, not flat boring shit that does nothing like in class

Most of the nodes are single points

And full on abilities or enhancements of said ability

[median tulip]

My point was that there will be nodes that are essentially mandatory, no matter what

[strong forum]

Well yeah

You're gonna pick like 80% of all talents anyway

According ot the preview

[median tulip]

They did say that some of the nodes had multiple ranks

So don't assume that Nodes are a point apiece

On another note: a weird milestone; vendoring my first tier piece

[blazing condor]

with the preset talent trees they're probably removing having to be in a reset area right?

or they should imo

[jagged pier]

we are getting load outs

from what ive heard u can change loadout where ever but rested when u want to make a new one

u can also import them it looks like

[blazing condor]

big pog

check the mf pins and ask no questions why

[ionic fern]

That's a nice joke.
We've had all the generic information in pins forever and still get the questions 24/7.

😂

[strong forum]

But now it'll just be

Bro just Import the pinned ones

Copy paste the link and you gucci

[dawn canyon]

done

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

That must be new here

[jagged pier]

[languid carbon]

I asked about a pinned article as well the other day, took me a while to find it.

The pinned icon doesn't show on my phone, figured that out when I opened Disc on the desktop.

[jagged pier]

it does u need to swipe to the side to get to the pins on phone

[deft hinge]

i want loadout-cloudservice, havin jakey and nomeratur managing my talents, w ftw!!!

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

💸

[uncut notch]

idk i think this is a net loss

Net gain to prot discord yes, hard yes

[strong forum]

PayPal 20€ kthx

[uncut notch]

But a huge part of the issue with 99% of the casuals is they dont know why they have chosen xyz talent

[strong forum]

They still don't

[uncut notch]

its good that we can send a link and get people "combat effective"

[strong forum]

With current talent tree

[uncut notch]

also true

[strong forum]

So nothing will change

[languid carbon]

@jagged pier - cheers, i'm stupid /facepalm

[uncut notch]

But i think direct importing is a little further down the curve maybe

I do tonnes of keys with guildies and they always ask me how me and my group can smash high stuff

and its like

I know why i press a certain button

The amount of times i have seen meta popped on the two mobs before gorechop honestly staggers me

And if you ask why its "It was off cd so"

But my guild is pretty casual i guess so rough with the smooth

a lot of people use rotation helpers that scream for meta as soon as its off cd

[blazing condor]

its crazy how inflated keys are now

due to tier and double leggo

a 21 feels like doing a 17 last season

[uncut notch]

Had this conversation last week - pugged 3 20s and failed them for various annoying reasons

But i was honestly just afk tanking

[blazing condor]

its very mindless

even with raging

but i have yet to get my group to do any higher than 22

[uncut notch]

I think part of it is the massive prot buffs too though

[blazing condor]

so what do i know

[uncut notch]

Its very train hard fight easy

We've had a monumental jump in power with double lego, 4 set, buffs etc

[strong forum]

Every tank has had that

Every class has had that

Except healers

[uncut notch]

Every class had buffs?

[strong forum]

I mean the 4p2l stuff

And the buffs isn't why 21s feel like 15s

It's cuz 4p2l

[uncut notch]

No but id say its a huge constituent part

[strong forum]

We got a 6% dmg buff (effectively making up for losing shards)

And a 7-10% defensive buff

[uncut notch]

7-10% is big

[strong forum]

That's 1 key level

It's good, but not a huge part as to why

[uncut notch]

I think its a big element, you could definitely feel it when they flicked the switch

[strong forum]

That's feelycraft and copium

[uncut notch]

I dont wanna argue - my point is just that we've gone from having it hard(er) to a massive surge in power

Through both 4p2l and buffs

[strong forum]

4p2l literally doubled our rage gen and increased our dmg output by over 50%

It's a much bigger part than the buffs, they were nice to haves and a step in the right direction but I wouldn't give them any credit in terms of noticable strength of the class

But that might just be me being cynical

[uncut notch]

But dratnos said our tier is bad 😥😥

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Dratnos also said bear was b tier before the nerfs

When it was omega S tier

[blazing condor]

b = bear

we are W tier

😎

[strong forum]

🅱️ for 🅱️ear

[deft hinge]

Bratnos

[lyric geode]

What happened? A new buff for protection warriors?

[strong forum]

No

[sick sentinel]

Pwar had a recent buff in general but

[rich beacon]

Playing bear ruined my ability to not mash buttons when im in a big pull and that kills my warrior. Send help.

[sick sentinel]

i just kinda wish that like both options were avialable to most specs

you can either stick to known set rotation or mash buttons

[rich beacon]

Im pretty new to pwar in general but i liked that it felt more methodical and like you had to make decisions with each button press

[sick sentinel]

i'd be better off on something like a druid or dk (too stupid to play monk, too typical paladin to play paladin) or hunter/lock rogue

[jagged pier]

theres literally no thought behind monk

your mitigation is literally u pressing buttons

[obtuse monolith]

Monk “AM” comes from DPS/threat keys, and your actual AM button can’t even be pressed until you’ve already taken damage. It’s a bit diff like BDK but definitely not tricky to play

[jagged pier]

with the amount of nizauos u get now u dont press purifying brew that much anymore

like i do less CB healing now i have 4 set

cause kegsmash is just lay on hands every 8 seconds

👍

[obtuse monolith]

Just don’t let 4p KS buff fall off 😁

[topaz field]

if you let it fall off you are playing wrong

[sick sentinel]

its apparent now that i stand in everything, and i believe what happened was i would go in on monk stand in X and get a giga stagger and then not manage it correctly and die

and then confusion and rage quit

[jagged pier]

i mean with 4 set u can literally do what u want on monk

u cant die

[ebon geyser]

Red stagger is ok

[topaz field]

monk is just like prot warrior in terms of what pack will hurt or not in dungeons

[sick sentinel]

seems like on reflection that monk is about not standing in stuff to be begin with

[ebon geyser]

Also ring of peace is op

[jagged pier]

red stagger is fine and always has been, knowing how to play with it is a different thing

[topaz field]

red stagger is the default stagger on high keys

[sick sentinel]

i can very easily understand BDK for example though, or i guess Ppally,

[topaz field]

i dont know what makes monk complicated for u

but when u press shieldblock u press purify on monk 😄

[ebon geyser]

Monk is tricky

[topaz field]

pretty much the same shit just wise around logic

[ebon geyser]

U don't understand stagger u won't understand monk

[sick sentinel]

whenever i tried monk in bfa, well, it didn't go very well and it was like, a +4 or +8 AD

[jagged pier]

yer yogi never grasped the whole SB thing

[sick sentinel]

part of my thought process was that wc3 lich was cool so i make undead ice mage in vanilla, and then remembered holy shield from d2 and arthas/uther

that seemed cool, someone suggested me a rogue later on, closest thing to wc3 DH really, stealth/unlocking stuff seemed appealing

[obtuse monolith]

Monks don’t stand in stuff when you have up to three rolls, teleport, and your main damage/threat/mitigation ability is ranged.

You can even roll backwards for kiting!

[sick sentinel]

unrelated now, but i played an old dos game descent keep it short tiny spaceship fly around destroy a reactor and fly out escape tunnel james bond style

6dof games are just just so chef kiss when it works and theres no lag

[obtuse monolith]

My depth perception sucks whenever there’s 3d in wow. Dunno what it is but I found Vashjir unplayable, etc, when other flying games are fine. Not sure how I’ll do dragon riding

[uncut notch]

I dont think ive ever seen a monk roll end well

ever

In m+

Possible confirmation bias but fucked rolls have killed many a key

[obtuse monolith]

IMO trick is to roll backwards to where you’ve been / already cleared. You stay facing the trash and can still KS.

I don’t know how some monks play torpedo tho. It just sends you too far.

[wild hemlock]

i cant wait til we can make 4 a week on alts

rolling a monk and getting BDK 4p as soon as that week hits. pretty fun catchup. just wish it hit earlier

[strong forum]

Well you store up charges

So you'll get 4p literally instantly as soon as you have enough flux

[wild hemlock]

correct lol?

im not sure what youre saying

i know we store charges

2 weeks we get to cash in baby

[strong forum]

My sub runs out in 11 days

Well now 10 I guess

[wild hemlock]

sad

but to the above statement. ive just been chiling on my alts other than enh/prot warrior til that week opens for 4p

[marble jackal]

Quick question
Is the shield of the first boss in mythic good?

[lofty widget]

its decent for its ilvl

obv worse offensively cause it doesnt have secondaries

[sick sentinel]

not been playing any mmo or rpg really besides like vampire survivor

[strong forum]

I've not been playing anything in 2 weeks

[sick sentinel]

been on VS dusk l4d 1/2 tiny bit of pubg, did max payne 1 and 2, getting/doing 3 whenever its on sale next, C&c

[dawn canyon]

VS is good

[toxic pewter]

what trinket is better: ooze or first technique

[chrome falcon]

what is ooze

[strong forum]

Ooze doesn't have Str

Soooo

You lose 50% of the trinkets value

[chrome falcon]

neither does codex but the fact i have to ask what ooze even is probably means codex is better

wait he's not talking about the agility trinket is he lol

[strong forum]

Ooze is agi trinket

[chrome falcon]

fucking hell

[strong forum]

Which makes it lose lot of its value, sure codex only has stam, but it's still 100% trinket value

[chrome falcon]

yeah i just assumed whatever ooze he was talking about would have stam on it too not... agility

[strong forum]

There are only 2 stam trinkets iirc

Codex and organ

[restive ice]

yo kyrian prot is pretty good to slam weeklies

[strong forum]

Indeed

[restive ice]

easier to get in as a tank

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/764349941270315031/966696390086496276/unknown.png

look at this

[strong forum]

Gaming

[signal plover]

Nom, alpha reeeeee channels when?

Gib gib gib

[strong forum]

Once we have alpha

[signal plover]

We will draw our own trees

I know but

[strong forum]

In like 6 months or some shit

[signal plover]

But but

[strong forum]

I assume that's with seismic?

Or just giga geared

[restive ice]

yeah seismic

[strong forum]

Ye

[chrome falcon]

if that's without seismic they're the greatest gamer of all time

[strong forum]

I meaaan

280 ilvl should do the trick aswell

[jagged pier]

lates also done 14k already without seiesmic

ive done 13k

without

[chrome falcon]

yeah, sure, same

[restive ice]

I am very tiny

[chrome falcon]

but that's not 16k

[restive ice]

yo late is insane

[strong forum]

Oof that shield

[restive ice]

god help any healer that tries to heal the shit he pulls

s2 valor shield

[minor helm]

Yeah @restive ice is the greatest ever

[chrome falcon]

why do you have vers enchanted

[minor helm]

[chrome falcon]

or is that for a different spec

[restive ice]

because I had tenets of vers in my bags

Istarted playing prot like

2 hours ago

actually no that's a lie

I did like 2 prot keys last season

I need to get a wa that tracks 4pc I think

[chrome falcon]

[restive ice]

I'm so sorry

I shouldve looked at the pins I apologize

[vernal vale]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xJQt8bHXVfaPgzR2

Well, im doing better than last week.

Getting more and more used to 4piece 2 legendary

Granted I was wearing ٪of health socket item for ZM rares before raid and forgot to put unity back on at the beginning. So my first boss parses last night are with only reprisal.

[coral heart]

what talents to play when using Seismic?

[restive ice]

I don't remember , I went to subcreation and copied the first talent row

Not on pc atm

[coral heart]

allright

[toxic pewter]

is phial trinket good for prot? I just got one havent had any luck getting codex

[strong forum]

Phial is the least bad trinket for dmg yes

[toxic pewter]

I like that it has str on it

Ok I will use it

does it work with aoe or mostly ST

[blazing condor]

Phial dropped in my pf today but the warrior who got it gave it to the rsham

[toxic pewter]

wat

it has str... oh it doubles has agi i bet

nvm

still tho that sux

[strong forum]

Phial dmg is maxed out on 2 targets

So it'll do the same dmg on 2 or 15 targets

[toxic pewter]

ok

is 2 targets more than 1 target I take it? is it double with 2 vs 1?

[strong forum]

Technically double

[toxic pewter]

Ok

should what mob i target matter ?

[strong forum]

No

[toxic pewter]

can the dot be on 2 targets at once?

Ok

[strong forum]

Any ability will apply it

On any 1 target at a time

[restive ice]

Phial of puke

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[restive ice]

I looted like 6 phials this season traded all of them

[toxic pewter]

so youre saying it sucks ass

[strong forum]

I'm fed up with it aswell

No it doesn't suck ass

[toxic pewter]

I have ran streets over 25 times no codex

[strong forum]

It's the strongest dmg trinket from m+

[restive ice]

No I play fury and I already have fury trinkets

[strong forum]

But it's boring as fuck

[restive ice]

[toxic pewter]

why give away then or why are you fed up with it

Oh i see

[strong forum]

It's boring

We've farmed it for 3 seasons straight

And it's been nerfed by 30%

But it's still the best

[restive ice]

I need to get a scale I kinda like prot

Or just keep playing with ows sigil

[chrome falcon]

sigil is real bad for m+

[strong forum]

Don't play scale until you feel the need for it

[restive ice]

Sigil is goated

[chrome falcon]

nop i don't like scale but it's better than sigil

[restive ice]

Sigil is all on how you use it

[strong forum]

Sigil in m+ is really scuffed

[chrome falcon]

nah it's just bad

[restive ice]

Yeah it is but man if you get good use out of it

😳

[chrome falcon]

it doesn't even matter what the trinket does anything with a 5 min CD is just too long

[restive ice]

I been playing 2x on use on fury as well and it feels real good

[strong forum]

Eww

[restive ice]

Idk man I've been using sigil past few keys it's real good but idk I don't play this spec

[chrome falcon]

if you're just doing weeklies you don't really need any trinkets at all so it's fine but double on use is almost always bad

[strong forum]

Also sigil gets worse if you have any amount of vers

[restive ice]

[strong forum]

Cuz you'll just DR it

Hence

Enchant and socket crit or haste

[restive ice]

Oh true I should enchant crit

😳

I just want to do dam

[strong forum]

Technically haste then

Cuz more outburst

[restive ice]

Don't think I'll ever play prot on anything higher than a weekly

Tanking keys for the boys

[dusky canopy]

Haste/Crit gang

[strong forum]

[restive ice]

😳 😳 😳

Wait maybe I play opc instead of sigil

Yoooooooo

Ok ok ok ok

[strong forum]

Yes

That's alot better as kyrian especially

[sweet summit]

epsi converting?

[strong forum]

Lines up with every 2nd avatar

And every 2nd spear

[restive ice]

Wtf erga double u

[median tulip]

I still enjoy double techniques

[restive ice]

Big fan

[strong forum]

That sounds weirdly kinky

[median tulip]

Only the secret technique is kinky; you have to enjoy getting hit for that to work

[marsh narwhal]

is into the fray worth using instead of ravager?

[strong forum]

In raid, yes

M+, no

[marsh narwhal]

ty

[serene saffron]

Is there a weakaura to track outburst? also I assume to use the empowered thunderclap in aoe? or always SS?

[chrome falcon]

always SS

SS = rage = revenge = more damage than TC

[serene saffron]

👍

i wish thunderclap wasnt so useless, its like so far down my priority list i have to have literally nothing left

[chrome falcon]

yep

would be nice if it empowered your next revenge or just did something that made it worth pressing sometimes

instead of just doing dogshit SS that you press when you have no other choice

[blazing condor]

5 rage

[chrome falcon]

genereates as much rage as banner does every second

smile

[blazing condor]

So are people going back to bsc from bv now or what

Havent dabbled in it

[dusky canopy]

Show of Force should be reversed and then TC would probably be worth pressing

[median tulip]

I hope that the Shrieking Flagon anima power makes it into our 10.0 talent trees

[toxic pewter]

what % should phial be doing of my overall dmg if you guys had to say

[blazing condor]

Depends on ilvl of the phial and stuff

Also the damage you do

I dont have any current logs of phial though so idrk

[distant crystal]

is that just a warrior thing or did they change it

i vaguely recall my experiments with phial on DH and some ae spells wouldn't apply it to secondary targets

[strong forum]

Less than 5%

Should be around 2-3%

Maybe a bit less idk

[oblique garnet]

@sweet summit @strong forum Very cool

81% uptime with banner and seismic

Very nice

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/borat-borat-very-nice-verynice-thumbs-up-gif-25080066

[sweet summit]

poggers

[serene saffron]

do you use seismic in all dungeons?

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[strong forum]

[dawn canyon]

late diff tho

[strong forum]

Lowkey diff

You mean

[oblique garnet]

Ye true was only 16

But ive been playing seismic in 20s too

Just for the big dam

[serene saffron]

i mean if you aint dying why not

[oblique garnet]

Exactly

[serene saffron]

i gotta try it out once i get my 4pc

[raven hatch]

whats seismic?

[distant crystal]

legendary

for the big dam

[raven hatch]

oof

didnt even know that was athing

assuming you play bsc with that, ITF or Ravager?

[sweet summit]

ravager

[ebon geyser]

Anyone here in thrall us

[odd tree]

I was going to give it a go tonight. BV is nice for banner, but revenge is top button press next to IP

[oblique garnet]

Never left it

[odd tree]

Is that dmg with spear?

[oblique garnet]

No

Nl

[serene saffron]

i imagine not have reprisal would hurt if you werent NL

[oblique garnet]

Eh

You just need to play around your other cds more without being NL

[potent anvil]

Prot owns.

[oblique garnet]

F a c t s

[sacred timber]

Why does Fort seem so much harder than Tyr lately?

[signal stump]

Prot warrior meta yet?

[oblique garnet]

Sleeper

[signal stump]

Going back to #fury

[oblique garnet]

Cant be meta since everyone sleeps on prot

@patent osprey when are you going for rank 1 with prot

[ocean yoke]

theyre just afraid of what they dont understand

[sacred timber]

Why do I feel like I can never weave dmg into defense as prot warrior?

I always feel like I am choosing one or the other

[chrome falcon]

i don't know why you feel that

the only choice you can make is whether to spend rage on IP or revenge

[mighty cairn]

just unbind ip most of the time it’s useless

unless you’re dumping rage

u get it for free anyway

[lime urchin]

AM, tierset and Necrolords would like to have a word with you

[chrome falcon]

yeah if you're spending your last bit of rage on IP you fucked up

[dusky canopy]

IP is only used to prevent capping rage otherwise you press revenge

[blazing condor]

yeah im thinking ima just go back to bsc

the rage just don't really do enough

keeping banner up is easy without it anyway

[uncut notch]

Interesting - I’ve been thinking the opposite, crushing forti keys but high tyr is deplete street

[urban portal]

Fort on average has harder affix combos

Cuz ppl were complaining tyr was too hard

[uncut notch]

Tyr was infinitely easier in s2

But now bosses feel insanely punishing

And just so so so much hp

Good single target way harder to find than good AOE

[chilly brook]

tyr still feels ez

for the most part

[blazing condor]

tyr is omega comfy

[chilly brook]

it's a little worse as the keys go higher but generally smoother keys

[uncut notch]

It’s the same culprits tho - dos remains punishing on both weeks, PF remains punishing on tyr, spires is a hard forti etc

[blazing condor]

a lot of keys get depleted on tyrannical due to group performing poorly. But for me as a tank? It's great

[uncut notch]

Streets tyr sucks ass

[chilly brook]

wut

streets is comfy

[blazing condor]

like HOA on tyrannical is absolute blizz for me

HOA on fort? fuck that

[uncut notch]

Streets forti is infinitely easier than tyr

I will die on this hill

[chilly brook]

I literally did streets tyr on 21 last week

we died in mid

didn't even have teleports

still timed it

[uncut notch]

I’ve been +2 on forti weeks and depleting tyr

[chilly brook]

and that's with 2 people dead on last boss

and having to clear left side

[uncut notch]

Maybe just unlucky pugs

[blazing condor]

i didnt have any streets luck last week

did a 21 that depleted on last boss

[chilly brook]

because we didn't clear after first boss we Wo skipped

[uncut notch]

But my experience on tyr has been infinitely worse

[chilly brook]

last boss honestly is the last BS portion of the dungeon

the fact that the circles can spawn on the teleporters you're on is dumb

[blazing condor]

for us the lock's imp pulled the miniboss in front of the TP

guy snapped up and pulled mid fight

also yeah

we had time

and then that happened

[chilly brook]

ooof

[blazing condor]

literally right on us

[chilly brook]

yea I'd live with the key being slightly harder if they fixed this

[blazing condor]

since the shapes shift back and forth especially before the cast

its like no real counter play

[median tulip]

In my experience, Tyr keys deplete just due to time; the bosses just take too long. Fort keys deplete because you fuck up a trash pull and wipe

[blazing condor]

semi agree

not really time but just people dying on bosses

[median tulip]

Obviously there will be other reasons in specific runs, but as a general rule I think those are the biggest causes of depletes in each

[patent osprey]

not until after prog. Prog burning me out since the raid is long and I'm not raiding on the war

so ilvl is low

and my friends always wonder why I login to my prot war T_T when I have a perfectly geared brew

[chrome falcon]

oh no you're raiding on brew?

brother... my condolences... sleepy class

[urban portal]

Brew only fun in m+

[oblique garnet]

My warrior is still kinda depleted gear for tank but its doing miles better than anything else

I have 255 shield and 252 wep

No tank trinkets either

[mighty valley]

i haven't been lucky on high ilvl tier but i do at least have 278 weapon + shield

[vestal moat]

catalyst has helped a lot with gearing

[ebon geyser]

I mean brew with a every 8 sec lay on hands is

[dusky canopy]

[uncut notch]

Yeah this

[ebon geyser]

Tyr should be removed from the game....

[blazing condor]

fort and tyr should be removed

too bad they doubled down on it

[ebon geyser]

Nobody wanna beat a boss for 30 min

[vestal moat]

tyr in particulari t's just not FUN to spend 5-6 minutes on a boss with unlimited hp. it's not challenging just boring seeing if your healer can keep up with unavoidable damage

[dusky canopy]

id like to see both the affixes only increase damage they deal not hp

that prolly wont happen though

[blazing condor]

just remove m+ scaling in general

literally same no matter what levle

[jagged pier]

[sick sentinel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nADjefF4l6c this is kinda related cuz if its the video im thinking of its about how like, the remaster increases tank hp and dmg values by a % based on easy medium hard, because the way the game was developed, a medium tank would always kill a light tank (both at full hp)

and so, on hard, a light enemy tank can easily take on a medium tank

so, i feel like that ties into the mythic + difficulty discussion you guys are having about tyranical vs fort

[mighty valley]

yeah man

[bold mirage]

Has anyone here started progression or killed Mythic Artificer? The reason I ask is to see you went Night Fae or Venth for the blink through the rings.

[wild hemlock]

i was watching you stream prot warrior tazavesh last weekend and it was insanely fun. keep at it brotha

[blazing condor]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/29#boss=2553&class=Warrior&spec=Protection

[blazing condor]

heres the logs

from a quick look i see like 50/50 necro to NF

[jagged pier]

necro is chad

but u gunna loose banner going over

[bold mirage]

Ty probably second half of raid tonight will be on Artificer

oh I know it is killing me

[chilly brook]

similar to LoD

[jagged pier]

well yer

[chilly brook]

you get banner after swarm

but it's trolling to use it

so you're gonna drop

[jagged pier]

well u should have banner till amoung us

[chilly brook]

infiltration phase is big troll

[jagged pier]

then u just use it after

[chilly brook]

ye

just infiltration phase is big troll

and not pressing it when it's up sucks cuz kevin

[sacred timber]

[blazing condor]

https://gyazo.com/021c0e66dd54708d864d8e3d40e3e137

my fort week is silly

[pliant narwhal]

hey 262 soleah trinket or pocket protofroge 252 or coxed of the first technique 252 as trinkets :)?

[blazing condor]

probably soleah and codex

[pliant narwhal]

thanks

[uncut notch]

This is wild to me, idk how tf you guys are getting this much time out of it

I can get maybe a minute

But I maintain I’m not using reprisal enough so that will probs help

I say a minute but I have no actual idea, I’ll check logs later

[mighty valley]

with 4p it's unbelievably easy unless the fight has really big uptime gaps

[jagged pier]

it just take pracitce

im aweful at LoD tbh

its like my worst fight

anyway back to

https://tenor.com/view/liquid-crab-rave-crab-rave-liquid-guild-crab-halondrus-dance-sepulcher-crab-rave-gif-25113266

[cyan hearth]

Hi, which cov/soulbind is good for prot war in high keys? (15-20+)

[jagged pier]

any at those lvls thats low keys

pic what u want and have fun

just not venthyr

[distant crystal]

does NL need 4p

[jagged pier]

no

can play it with no set

just worse

[uncut notch]

All are viable in that space but I’ve had lots of fun with kyrian for damage and necro for tanky

[distant crystal]

i mean relative to others, like is there a "play kyrian/nf until X" rule of thumb

[jagged pier]

no the only rule of thumb is dont play venthyr

[toxic pewter]

prob once you get 4pc switch to necro

[jagged pier]

2pc really

[toxic pewter]

or 2 yea

[cyan hearth]

I have been playing kyrian With 4 set, i love its dmg But this week i feel like weak for some packs that usually other classes tank it without problem

[jagged pier]

well if your struggling in 15-20 range its more likely a player issue than a cov issue tbh

[shell shale]

Raging is scary af

[cyan hearth]

[chrome falcon]

my bdk losing threat to me during tank combo on lihuvim so i had to gut my own dps and skip 5 or 6 execute globals

[jagged pier]

u can just take the combo tho

[chrome falcon]

already took the one before it so didn't have anything

[jagged pier]

external

[chrome falcon]

maybe

[jagged pier]

only 8.8k thats

[chrome falcon]

yep

boss hit 20% 2 seconds before combo

and i really considered risking killing half the melee for it

[errant wagon]

Hey all, 2 Necrolord specific questions...

1. Which soulbind is preferred for necro? seems like it's between plague deviser and bonesmith.
2. Is there a range on Conqueror's Banner buff that applies to allies? I tend to find myself charging into pulls, then casting, and I realize I might be outranging my caster's.... the tooltip doesn't say if there is a range.

[chrome falcon]

it's either 15 or 20 yrd for banner range

can't remember

and it's between marileth or heirmir they're very close but i like marileth

[errant wagon]

Thanks.
I like marileth too for the bonus abilities, but I don't like how you're forced into triple potency.

[chrome falcon]

yeah

but all our conduits are dogshit apart from 3 or 4 anyway so

it doesn't really matter

[errant wagon]

I'm finding brutal vitality to be really strong after the prot buffs.

so trying to find a way to fit that in is tough alongside stalwart gaurdian

[jagged pier]

its not

its our 4th best endurance conduit

so u never run it

[chrome falcon]

brutal vit is bad for the same reason it has always been bad

IP is either capped or non-existent

stalwart+unnerving and then condensed anima if you want 3e

[errant wagon]

Hm, but I'm finding myself generating way too much rage, enough that I can't dump into Revenge fast enough, so I dump into a few ignore pains

and the conduit is making it feel really good

[jagged pier]

yer

[chrome falcon]

no it's not

i can guarantee you the conduit is not what is making it feel good

[jagged pier]

but BV doesnt go over IP cap

so u dump all the rage into overcapping IP

so it gets no value

at all

[errant wagon]

that's probably fair, I just got my 2 piece so idk things are feeling different

gaining way more rage with it

and I imagine it goes even crazier with the 4 piece not there yet

is there a way to see my IP overcapping in warcraft logs lol

i'm looking at this 18 I ran last night

[ocean yoke]

4pc puts a turbo on the spec

[urban portal]

cannot

but IP will cap you giga

dont worry about it

[errant wagon]

okie dokie

Oh an interaction question too...
So I was running a ToP yesterday and in the one wing that has the 3, single add "mini bosses" there is the one that casts "Savage Flurry" on you, the 4 second channel where the add just wails on you with melee attacks.
The description for that ability is...

The caster inflicts 9558 Physical damage to their target every 0.5 sec for 4 sec.```

I felt like I was taking 0 damage from that ability, and reviewing my logs  it says I took very little, around 83k Total, and it says I blocked 80% of the hits

So does shield block stop this physical damage?

I thought it only was for melee attacks

82% block

[sweet summit]

https://tinyurl.com/ReflectGuide

block works on most hits

basic assumption is that if it's physical you can block it
but that's not always true

[urban portal]

yeah

you basically clap the shit out of that hit

it straight up murders most tanks

[sweet summit]

pwar is really good in ToP

[urban portal]

but prot warrior takes 0

[errant wagon]

Dope.

[errant wagon]

and thanks for this link! cool resource

so even though shield block reads "melee" it actually extends into a whole lot of other Physical (non-melee) attacks?

[urban portal]

yeah

this game is not very descriptive

anything that swings a weapon is blockable most of the time

or throws something physical

[errant wagon]

very cool

[sweet summit]

shield block is incredibly strong

very wicked ability

[errant wagon]

Yea i've been aiming just to keep uptime as long as possible, but not really stopping to think about what I'm actually blocking with it.

I like this sheet resource, will actually put some thought on the block timings with boss abilities now. haha

[blazing condor]

4p really hitting

[sweet summit]

we love sense 🙏

[blazing condor]

10k in ToP wasnt something i thought id do before

[eager star]

Is our representation in keys > 20 still so low because the other tank bonuses / leggos are just THAT good?

[urban portal]

and ppl havent rerolled yet

the class needs to be quite OP for people to reroll

[oblique garnet]

People dont know how strong prot warrior is

[blazing condor]

prot warr is a hidden gem no cap

i have no doubts it could be #1

on rio

just no one who plays it

[bright citrus]

Is there a magic number for rage to just not go above? like if you're at 85 rage you should dump some but not enough to be able to Shield block when it comes off CD? obviously not trying to get 100.

[urban portal]

always be dumping

[plush tendon]

I think Prot is strong (or at the very least viable), but Ive been back on my BDK for the last two weeks doing some 22 keys and there is just that little oompf that some of the top tanks have that Prot doesnt

[urban portal]

pooling rage is cringe

blood is #1

[chilly brook]

I mean

blood is busted

[urban portal]

brew is #2

everything else is whatever

[distant crystal]

you could probably say

30 rage

:p

[plush tendon]

I think you meant balanced 😛

Buff everyone else; buffs only, no nerfs

[urban portal]

idk

bear needs a nerf

[distant crystal]

[urban portal]

that was way too broken

bear is fine now tho

[plush tendon]

make everyone broken 😄

[strong forum]

Bear is unironically the worst tank now

The 35% nerf was a bit much

[plush tendon]

We running the new OP OP OP comp; BDK, Demo, Destro, insert dps here, insert healer here

[urban portal]

holy

survival

there you go

or rsham and dh

[plush tendon]

its like a dungeon by dungeon basis; but also, we just ping guild and like 'yo, whos down to clown' and then we go

cause ya want curse dispell for HoA, but you need soothe this week for some dungeons, and sometimes the lack of kicks is a bit of a : ^)

also if you bring lust you save gold on drums

[vernal vale]

I need to run more pugs over guild runs anymore. Failed 2 15s last week that should have been easy.

[plush tendon]

wait.... pugs over guild?

Guild runs are where its at

especially when you bring the rats

like my awesome Warlock

[devout heron]

2 prot tanks, always dying to rygelon soak

ONE SHOT

whats wrong with it?

[vernal vale]

When you fail 15s with guild its not as fun.

[devout heron]

can someone check the log

[blazing condor]

well post the log

[amber herald]

are they pressing shield slam too much?

[vernal vale]

My keys I've actually timed are all with pugs.

[devout heron]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hHR6KpBQjFPT2ZgW/

[devout heron]

here you go

[blazing condor]

your guild is incredibly based for running 2 pwarrs btw

[jagged pier]

nither of them are using defensive

both appear to have SW off cd

but dont use it

[strong forum]

Well for one, tankuvian is also running unstoppable force

[jagged pier]

shocking

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

the fuck?

[ocean yoke]

probably not using a cd

o no

[blazing condor]

i can see the death time but how do i check what they had up in regards to that?

need to educate myself on how to be a log wizard

[devout heron]

whats that

[jagged pier]

u can see what they last used at the bottom

nother of them had use SW in the whole duration of the fight

well in the one attmept im looking at

[strong forum]

It's a dead talent that nobody should be running

He's actively inting by playing that

[blazing condor]

ah there it was

thanks