why do you even want all the stats balanced that's such a pointless exercise
#protection
toxic pewter
Can still pursue the stats enjoy playing with more without feeling you are 'missing out'
median tulip
My second-highest secondary after Haste nowadays is Mastery. I feel it works pretty well
chrome falcon
the only stat that's "enjoyable" to play with is haste because it's the only one you notice what
chrome falcon
?????????????????????
waxen orbit
They must enjoy the floor too
urban portal
this would be absurdly boring
chrome falcon
wow you're a real fountain of good ideas
toxic pewter
haste is actually a curse to most specs I realized
waxen orbit
remove haste from the game
Listen I don’t like piling but I’m gonna be real, please no
chilly brook
Can still pursue the stats enjoy playing with more without feeling you are 'miss...
bro
you equip ilvl
toxic pewter
Going to submit feedback to blizz now
chilly brook
stats don't matter
urban portal
and this is why people dont take feedback seriously
chilly brook
I've played with low haste and I've played with high haste
toxic pewter
Haste should never actually been introduced I realized
chilly brook
it literally doesn't matter
waxen orbit
We’re not outlaw rogues, we prio prim stat > anything else
chilly brook
Haste should never actually been introduced I realized
urban portal
theres no class where 2ndary>primary
toxic pewter
Lol
urban portal
even outlaw wants primary
median tulip
Haste does matter. Protection Warrior with less than 20% Haste was like having my fingernails pulled out by a demonically possessed keyboard
chilly brook
imagine wanting haste removed
toxic pewter
Right - that is an inherant issue with the spec
chilly brook
yikes from me
toxic pewter
Haste is a giant band aid
toxic pewter
I will not sleep until haste is removed
median tulip
Good luck with that
chilly brook
I did like all of CN, all of Uldir, all of EP with low levels of base haste
it
doesn't
matter
toxic pewter
Its like I am talking to a bunch of 'speed' freaks rn lmao
mighty valley
someone is trolling and someone is being trolled at this point and i have no idea who or what or why or when
toxic pewter
relax.. .u all will get ur haste fix
urban portal
people like pressing more buttons than less
grave crane
Rage is useless and should be removed
mighty valley
remove gear, it's borrowed power
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno when apb started trolling because his original thesis was that all stats should be balanced and i think he was serious about htat one
urban portal
yeah i dunno when apb started trolling because his original thesis was that all ...
theres actually a slight argument for that
toxic pewter
I am actually not trolling- all you losers freaking out just proves my point
chilly brook
and give us a way to extend shield block or have more shield block
grave crane
I’m too focused on getting hit by shit
lofty widget
we kinda are, arent we
urban portal
however different class have different prios changes the feel of the character
the spec
toxic pewter
haste is crummy design and I realized it is the main issue with modern wow
urban portal
fury values haste mastery so its fast
grave crane
We should use astral power like boomies
urban portal
arms value crit because its supposed to have hard swings
urban portal
haste is crummy design and I realized it is the main issue with modern wow
bring back expertise
amirite boys
median tulip
haste is crummy design and I realized it is the main issue with modern wow
It's not even in the top 10 issues with modern wow
toxic pewter
It is actually #1
odd tree
arms doesn't use haste, you'd have to remove crit which would super break the spec
median tulip
bring back expertise
resilience pls
mighty valley
apb is crummy design
chrome falcon
i can almost understand where he's coming from
ebon geyser
What a day.. I miss u guys too 
toxic pewter
Based on all you attacking me, it is something that should be talked about thats for sure
chrome falcon
specs should play quickly and smoothly without needing a stat to do it
chilly brook
Based on all you attacking me, it is something that should be talked about thats...
no you just have bad takes chief
toxic pewter
or maybe I hit the nail on the head?
median tulip
Based on all you attacking me, it is something that should be talked about thats...
Yeah sure, everyone telling you you're wrong is clearly indicative of a need to talk about this
toxic pewter
Imagine if i said to remove vers
waxen orbit
specs should play quickly and smoothly without needing a stat to do it
Which is valid for some specs but I wouldn’t say it’s applicable to everything
toxic pewter
no one would attack me
lofty widget
because vers doesnt have an effect on how your class plays
chrome falcon
?
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno you guys are all just getting trolled
toxic pewter
haste is actually bad for the game
chrome falcon
please touch 1 (one) blade of grass then come back
chilly brook
or maybe I hit the nail on the head?
this is like you're uncle joe saying that the reason our gas prices are so high is because of daddy putin instead of the fact that joey boi closed off the oil pipeline and changed us from being an exporter to an importer
mighty valley
this is actually how game design works. everyone gets in a room and gets really mad at one guy. that guy's ideas are correct
chrome falcon
oh boy now griff is getting political
ebon geyser
It's not even in the top 10 issues with modern wow
Number one issue in wow is that is 2022 and no account wide stuff
chilly brook
oh boy now griff is getting political
median tulip
@toxic pewter Go play something more suited to your level. Like Habbo Hotel.
ebon geyser
Also do we have a troll in chat 
chilly brook
i can't handle this
If I'm getting trolled might as well troll back
toxic pewter
Lol this is like seeing a drug addict freak out when you say you gonna take away their drug, in this case haste. I call it speed now
lofty widget
remove trolls from the game
waxen orbit
Damn, it’s like having trade chat mobile
toxic pewter
LOL
ebon geyser
What's this clown complaining about haste now
toxic pewter
Proves my point even harder
median tulip
Number one issue in wow is that is 2022 and no account wide stuff
I don't care about that, because I'm not an altoholic. What pisses me off is the tiny limitations on macro storage
ocean yoke
lots of nice grass outside guys dam
ebon geyser
I don't care about that, because I'm not an altoholic. What pisses me off is the...
My feel Z...my Feels
chilly brook
Damn, it’s like having trade chat mobile
toxic pewter
haste is actually degenerate to the game
toxic pewter
like when does it end?
median tulip
haste is actually degenerate to the game
Quit, then
lofty widget
you convinced me
ebon geyser
haste is actually degenerate to the game
Speaking like a gray parse dps
toxic pewter
will everything occur at light speed?
mighty cairn
haste just gives you the option to press more buttons
toxic pewter
Well it is just a fact, it is a bandaid for poor design
mighty cairn
you don’t have to keep pressing
grave crane
I will say that having to stack haste so your class feels good is not necessarily good design
toxic pewter
careful broldamort
toxic pewter
you will be labeled a troll and ostracized by weaker minds
uncut notch
blaze it
mighty valley
to preserve my wrists
sims actually reflect this. they take into account long-term wrist health
grave crane
Damn there’s really not a lot of us lol
ebon geyser
You don't need to stack haste. Be a clown and stack vers
chrome falcon
apb the difference is that he actually made a point instead of trying to rile peope up
mighty cairn
i thought prot would be a lower cpm tank in 9.0
but somehow we’ve turned into giga high cpm
chilly brook
we're never a low CPM tank
toxic pewter
I started with a simple discussion of balancing stats... this lead to me questioning the stats themselves..
hushed cobalt
90+% haste/vers in bfa was amazing 🙃
urban portal
pally was higher
in 9.0
but yeah
in practice warrior is prob always higher
since we need to slam IP
mighty cairn
i need some scroll wheel macros
chrome falcon
prot is one of the only tanks with off-gcd spammable mitigation
so yeah we always been high cpm
ebon geyser
@toxic pewter but now, u can go and clown your way in the paladin discord because they whole game is around haste.
chilly brook
I will say that having to stack haste so your class feels good is not necessaril...
tbh prot never feels "bad" unless you're talking early BFA with IP being on GCD
mighty cairn
what about the forbidden ironfur thrash macro
urban portal
im gonna say, monk is a good design, they play very fluidly without high haste
mighty cairn
is there something we can macro to IP
grave crane
Some classes are fine without haste such as monk and sub rogue. I think that could be something to look into but I’m general I don’t think haste is bad for anyone but wrists
urban portal
yeah i macroed tclap
toxic pewter
<@185160009074737153> but now, u can go and clown your way in the paladin disco...
every spec best stat is haste if you drill down deep enough? Does that seem good to you?
chilly brook
im gonna say, monk is a good design, they play very fluidly without high haste
I mean they avoid haste like the plague
don't think that's "good"
grave crane
tbh prot never feels "bad" unless you're talking early BFA with IP being on GCD
Yeah but try playing assa rogue with 4% haste. Don’t feel good that’s for sure
urban portal
every spec best stat is haste if you drill down deep enough? Does that seem good...
thats just objectively false
ebon geyser
every spec best stat is haste if you drill down deep enough? Does that seem good...
Yes
mighty cairn
isn’t the point of 4p necro press tclap as little as possible
chrome falcon
yes
ebon geyser
Is all about the haste
mighty cairn
at least from what i saw
chilly brook
every spec best stat is haste if you drill down deep enough? Does that seem good...
BrM
toxic pewter
Nah at the end of the day haste is the best stat for most classes
chilly brook
WW
urban portal
there are many specs where haste is bad
grave crane
Sub
ebon geyser
urban portal
arms
chilly brook
Arms
urban portal
survival
chilly brook
MM
toxic pewter
all pref haste
urban portal
feral
chilly brook
BM
ebon geyser
Brm don't value haste
toxic pewter
those specs are fine
mighty valley
you all gotta stop trying to win this troll argument
chrome falcon
Yeah seriously
toxic pewter
the ones that rely on haste are simply bad design
chilly brook
chrome falcon
He realised his argument was dumb a while ago and is now just trolling I am begging you to disengage
toxic pewter
i am not trolling
chilly brook
Yeah seriously
how am I gonna be entertained at work
toxic pewter
what is ratio
urban portal
thats a ratio right there
toxic pewter
lol naming 4 out of 30 something specs that dont rely on haste disproves my point?
chilly brook
ebon geyser
i am not trolling
We know. U are just a bad troll.
toxic pewter
right...
this is like an untapped issue i stumbled upon holy shit. Never seen so many people defend a degenerate playstyle..
strange lintel
Lunch break is over
chrome falcon
If your argument is that “classes should be fun without haste” that’s fine cool
chrome falcon
But saying haste is the worst thing in the game and needs to be deleted is clearly cringe
toxic pewter
Yeah but when does the haste game end? Dont you see?
chrome falcon
At the end of rn expansion?
toxic pewter
It is degenerate
lofty widget
it ends at 40 % actually
chrome falcon
When all our haste goes back to nothing?
strange lintel
Weird hill to die on
toxic pewter
Soon you will do all your attacks in one button press
at the speed of light
and you will be like hell yea
LOL
ebon geyser
Just because you suck at warrior is not enough for you to say haste is bad
toxic pewter
you are assuming and admonishing my character
chilly brook
Soon you will do all your attacks in one button press
guys I swear I'm not a troll
toxic pewter
I do not speak to you in that tone of voice sir
strange lintel
Go back to offtopic lol
modest quest
anyone know if the first boss shield is good or nah?
chrome falcon
It’s fine
chilly brook
anyone know if the first boss shield is good or nah?
it's ok
better defensively than equal ilvl
toxic pewter
Simply cannot handle a person with a differing (underrepresented) opinion
chrome falcon
If the ilvl is higher you take it
modest quest
kk so beter than a 272, ty
chrome falcon
Yup
chilly brook
dont worry all - you will keep your speed
toxic pewter
Label an individual a troll because he has a differing viewpoint
You are weak individuals
In every sense of the word
toxic pewter
It like whitnessing a meltdown of a drug addict LOL
Like holy shit
didnt realize haste was so... addictive..
atomic current
when you get the 2p is it worth switching to nerco for raiding?
chilly brook
when you get the 2p is it worth switching to nerco for raiding?
yes
toxic pewter
4pc feels a lot better tho- a lot faster too
ebon geyser
We get it u don't like haste
https://c.tenor.com/SHLErRcxf-kAAAAM/ugh.gif
atomic current
ok, just got the 2p
toxic pewter
I like haste. It is my highest stat
ebon geyser
Go back to hello kitty island adventures@toxic pewter
toxic pewter
but I can acknowledge it is degenerate gameplay
and should be removed
from every class
entire game
na the other 3 are fine
lol now you're trolling
It is a bad take
haste is the main problem this entire debaucle just proves it
if i said to remove any other stat no one would lose their minds like what has occurred this day.
blazing condor
i fw apb cus he just tryna keep me from carpal tunnel a bit longer
mighty cairn
same tbh
mighty valley
"why doesn't blizzard listen to the community" they cry
blazing condor
but yes honestly remove vers
toxic pewter
Thx dog with crown
blazing condor
vers is boring and dead and misleading to every bad player who stacks it over ilvl
mighty cairn
ever since we got 4p my left wrist feels it at the end of every key
blazing condor
just press once every gcd instead of spamming it
chilly brook
ever since we got 4p my left wrist feels it at the end of every key
have better posture
mighty cairn
just give me half the gcds and make each gcd do 2x dam
blazing condor
🤔
vernal vale
Missing gladiator warrior at 90cpm
dawn canyon
Ye im down for MOAR
toxic pewter
I am typing up my thesis will post to wow forums and reddit. will link here
dawn canyon
Ideally you have 2 playstyles one with decent cpm and one with high that do roughly the same
Because forcing people into a 90 would be a bit uh
Unhealthy
toxic pewter
I will title it 'Down with Haste!'
dawn canyon
I love haste
toxic pewter
Yes most do after trying it the first time
even better idea.. thank you
haste is the hardest drug on the streets of tazavesh
Lmao Ok thats good
XD
toxic pewter
this entire channel bunch of speedfreaks
chilly brook
The Sunwell was really just liquid haste
mighty cairn
u know i was told by a dps that bloodlust was a dps loss over PI
mighty cairn
i’m starting to see there are other people out there
chilly brook
lmfao
vernal vale
The faster I push buttons the more fun I have.
toxic pewter
Eventually you will be so fast you will push a single button
Or not even push any button at all..
Oh shit
You’ll be so fast you’ll be slow
median tulip
Eventually you will be so fast you will push a single button
Speaking as someone who also plays Enhancement Shaman, I know precisely how much haste is needed to get down to only spamming Lava Lash, and SPOILER ALERT: It's a hella lot
toxic pewter
Lol
“Everything is fine”
No degeneracy here
Lol
How about that weather outside
How come we cannot put little emojis under responses
reactions
this me
vernal vale
Washington state
chilly brook
im out of it
too much hit of haste this morning I see
toxic pewter
chilly brook
sweet summit
L
vernal vale
RIP
raven hatch
can i use two proc trinkets or do I need one on use and one proc?
vernal vale
can i use two proc trinkets or do I need one on use and one proc?
Proc trinkets are fine together
livid dagger
Is 239 Aegis worth using over every other defensive trinkets even at 278? Other than Dos trinket ofc
livid dagger
Even at 239 just to clarify? No one doing mythic anymore lol
chrome falcon
i just realised the reason i got rank 1 on xymox is probably because sense is extending
but we take those
minor helm
jagged pier
well at least his is a good ilvl
chrome falcon
i did 8 +2s in a row with 4 traders, didn't get it, then pugged a 14 for it
felt pretty good about that
blazing condor
could be better
trail brook
Dont you guys feel trying to deal with explosive is impossible as prot?
strong forum
its not your job
trail brook
Ye ye
strong forum
and also, no
vernal vale
Dont you guys feel trying to deal with explosive is impossible as prot?
Realistically the healer should do it.
strong forum
just auto attack
vernal vale
When it gets hectic help out.
trail brook
Ye, i know is healers job
strong forum
the timer on explosives is way longer than your auto attack timer
trail brook
But targeting and waitng for the auto is like zzz
strong forum
tough shit
vernal vale
I clear a lot of them by just tab targeting.
strong forum
its not like you do anything else in the window youd attack an explosive
just revenge
youll still hit everything else
latent hull
thanks again...moved some things around and made an immediate and substantial difference...
strong forum
and SSing them is still worth cuz you still get the rage
sure you miss out on overall dmg
latent hull
helped a lot...thank you
strong forum
but better than have it go off cuz healer is shit
chrome falcon
i SS'd an explosive for 40k and wanted to alt f4
vernal vale
thanks again...moved some things around and made an immediate and substantial di...
Glad the feedback helped.
trail brook
Ye idk it feels weird thats all
vernal vale
Mouseover shield slam sounds painful lol
strong forum
🤷
vernal vale
But more damage win
trail brook
Literally staring it closely until i auto it
strong forum
i just rightclick explo and play like normal
vernal vale
I just tab target
strong forum
literally nothing changes except you doing less dmg on more important targets
tab usually does the trick ye
mighty valley
tab targeting is fine until it's a huge pull
vernal vale
Tab targeting is something I do anyways so it doesn't change much.
blazing condor
for some reason tab is /follow fo rme
mighty valley
trying to find fish sticks and explosives in gambit.......
vernal vale
trying to find fish sticks and explosives in gambit.......
When there's a lot I will swap to clicking specifically
vernal vale
my name plates auto-color the fish sticks 😄
So do mine. Makes it convenient
cinder nova
Just make a macro if you can
mighty valley
yeah... i've been lazy, i should do better plate settings
cinder nova
Then slap it and focus
vernal vale
I just took the Pika clone plater frames.
mighty valley
where did he post them?
blazing condor
i still have tidy plates threat plates from like
cata
or whatever its called now
works fine
sweet summit
goodstuffe boomer moment
vernal vale
where did he post them?
It's in pikas discord someone else made it to mimick pikas
vernal vale
strong forum
ya theyre a bit massive
vernal vale
Yeah, I resized them lol
vernal vale
good info on them tho
Entire reason I grabbed them.
vernal vale
i still have tidy plates threat plates from like
Tidy plates broke all the time that's why I stopped using it.
sweet summit
i think i just run default plater with WAs to track abilities and target of casts etc
blazing condor
never been an issue for me
wild rampart
do you guys have a particular order in which you rotate cooldowns for skolex tank combo?
blazing condor
i dont have a lot of addons / WAs in general
for my play
i got DBM and some personal WAs thats about it
sweet summit
goodstuffe boomer moment again
blazing condor
true
vernal vale
I have exactly the weak auras that are a must have for a boss. Aka stupid ring boss SoD
blazing condor
i actually learn the game instead of relying on addons to tell me what to do 🤓
mighty valley
me 🤝 dog with crown
addon boomers
blazing condor
vernal vale
do you guys have a particular order in which you rotate cooldowns for skolex tan...
Spell reflect riftmaw to reduce damage. Block for rend.
vernal vale
i actually learn the game instead of relying on addons to tell me what to do 🤓
I say this and people throw a fit in my guild.
Then when they fail mechanics and I don't it's my fault.
mighty valley
it seems like people in your guild throw a fit a lot
wild rampart
Spell reflect riftmaw to reduce damage. Block for rend.
i meant defensive cooldowns, SB and SR aren't enough 🙂
strong forum
i actually learn the game instead of relying on addons to tell me what to do 🤓
such a boomer take
98% of people dont even know how to deal with the mechanics with addons
vernal vale
it seems like people in your guild throw a fit a lot
Yup, hence looking for a new guild.
strong forum
the other 2% dont even pay attention to the addons
mighty valley
i don't know what's going on with common weakauras, i go to LoD LFR on an alt and every single person is just spamming X and BAIT for the entire fight
vernal vale
i meant defensive cooldowns, SB and SR aren't enough 🙂
Shield wall, aegis from SoD
There are some common weak auras that drive me nuts. The eating one for example.
Just spams the chat
strong forum
the nam-nam shit
vernal vale
Yeah, hate that
strong forum
i instantly /e spit on anyone who uses that
vernal vale
The one that calls out damage people take in dungeons drives me nuts too.
sweet summit
UwU :3 eating nom nom UwU
vernal vale
Literally just an ego thing
strong forum
got hacked lol sorry
strong forum
haha cat ran over keyboard lol
rigid flower
Hey does anyone know if we still go for haste food with 4set? Or does mastery or crit pull ahead when we don't have a feast?
ebon geyser
UwU tummy full nom nom done :3 UwU
Dahell is this weeb talk
mighty valley
are you finally allowed to drive?
sweet summit
sweet summit
strong forum
sweet summit
we're all law abiding citizens here 🙂
trail brook
Imagine having skills like dragon roar baseline in 10.0
median tulip
Imagine having skills like dragon roar baseline in 10.0
You mean, imagine having to spend 31 points in the Warrior tree to get Dragon Roar
mighty valley
with trees that big half our shit won't be "baseline"
but it'll be fine
because we can take them
strong forum
talent tree is basically the new baseline kit
cuz its not a 1/3 choice on everything
mighty valley
i'm hoping for things like... two different options to turn last stand into a good cooldown, and both are kinda nice
strong forum
its like 96/100
mighty valley
anyway for most players it'll still be just like
"hey guys what's the right loadout"
"check the pins"
and life will continue
mighty valley
tanks will not be satisfied until they are the top DPS specs that also cannot die for any reason
chilly brook
we're all law abiding citizens here 🙂
Are we tho
strong forum
We will be able to spec into rampage
fuck no
eww
id be fine with using 2h + shield
trail brook
that would be SO cool
jagged pier
tanks will not be satisfied until they are the top DPS specs that also cannot di...
well we were once
trail brook
na i was joking
primal cape
guys wheres the 278 conduits vendor on kyrian area please ?
chilly brook
we should be
An unjust law is no law at all
I’m a good boi tho
I promise
Truuuueee
uncut notch
tanks will not be satisfied until they are the top DPS specs that also cannot di...
Hahahah fax
There’s a good balance tho between feeling and being OP
Outburst for example feels great
With 2pc it’s a little slow but with 4pc it’s sick
ocean yoke
tanks will not be satisfied until they are the top DPS specs that also cannot di...
but is that truly so much to ask for
uncut notch
I have a WA that is shotgun for aura applied and gunshot for aura loss
Shield slam 50k crits with a gunshot sound is honestly erotic
It’s not even gigadam but it feels like it is
So it’s good enough
I find most of the WA noises are too long
I want like sub 1 second noises
median tulip
I can't wait to spec 5 points in Cruelty again, NGL
chilly brook
tanks will not be satisfied until they are the top DPS specs that also cannot di...
I don’t really agree with that, but tanks should be able to do 75% of a dps specs damage imho and also be much more self reliant on average
In general
Blizz needs to do something with tanks to make them more enjoyable for the average player
median tulip
PPL don't want responsibility
mighty valley
dps has enormous responsibility but when they fuck up it's easy to shirk blame
vestal summit
Can you link that weaksura?
chrome falcon
idk man i think tanking is fun as fuck and most people seem to agree
vestal summit
^
chrome falcon
my guild has like 6 non-tanks who exclusively play tanks in keys and hate their main roles
mighty valley
tanking is scary til people try it
also not a huge fan of the mmo trend where healers are shitty dps 80% of the time
chilly brook
idk man i think tanking is fun as fuck and most people seem to agree
It’s fun rn
vestal summit
Are there any weakauras for “seeing red” when it turns to outburst at 8 stacks?
chilly brook
But a lot of that has to do with tier and glory interaction
chrome falcon
chilly brook
I think there’s a reason why even when blood isn’t good they’re a largely popular tank @chrome falcon
blazing condor
gambit is honestly a joke of a dungeon
mighty valley
stats on that? blood one was of the least popular tanks last i checked in 9.0
chilly brook
And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that there is a bias towards self responsibility
strong forum
the whole "i heal alot"
jagged pier
strong forum
"i dont need a healer"
blazing condor
you can wipe endlessly and still time
strong forum
And I think a lot of that has to do with the fact that there is a bias towards s...
yes
chilly brook
"i dont need a healer"
Right a bias towards self responsibility
mighty valley
not prot warrior unpopular but still low compared to paladin/druid
strong forum
BDK was always hugely popular in raids
chilly brook
Like there’s definitely a lot of self responsibility for prot
strong forum
and has a huge fanbase
chilly brook
But at the end of the day you still really need a healer
(So does blood it’s just not as obvious or to the same extent)
mighty valley
they're not going to deliberately break the holy trinity any time soon
chilly brook
They kinda did in legion and WoD
And those were some of the best experiences as a tank imho
chilly brook
Like it wouldn’t “break” the trinity
It just lessens the reliance on the healer for the tank
strong forum
yah
chilly brook
You still needed heals in legion for the group
strong forum
holy trinity will always be a staple of wow
strong forum
but they just cant figure out tanks
chilly brook
Cuz blood dk leach aura was sick af
I used to yell at my healer “stop casting heals just do damage let them heal themselves for the next 15 seconds”
Consumption was such a good ability man
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not prot warrior unpopular but still low compared to paladin/druid
BDK most popular tank in 9.1 for example
blazing condor
😎
mighty valley
i might've been looking at just entire playerbase numbers
and not just people engaged enough to log
people who like bdk LOVE it
mighty valley
yeah because why else would we stay here
strong forum
theres alot more people who like bdk
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than any other tank
i feel like
i cant fathom why cuz the rotation is incredibly boring to me
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also wheelchair
chilly brook
It’s completely different with tier now
blazing condor
funny how a bdk is both a blood and a crip
mighty valley
i think across "average wow players" there's a ton more paladins/vdh than at the top end
just like... Human Paladin is still an unbelievably popular thing to be for casual players
chilly brook
Also
mighty valley
and dh stole every other kind of edgelord
chilly brook
Blood DK as an average tank in an average guild
Far better experience than being a good prot warrior in an average guild
Trust me
If your healers are bad
It’s far less annoying
mighty valley
eh, i think we were still winning
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only if you account ALL players
but anything other than ALL players
pally has highest mortality rate
especially the higher you go
mighty valley
oh i see
yeah, i do feel it's weird that warrior is the most inaccessible
rando players just being like "that seems like the standard tank" die over and over
blazing condor
arent there more palas in general the higher you go seeing as it (or at least was in SoD) a meta tank
= more palas who die
mighty valley
healing bad paladins gives me a heart attack
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ya pally has like twice as many as anyone else
chilly brook
paladin highest mortality rate
Imo paladin is the most obtuse tank to play
ocean yoke
holy fuck 19.6k deaths lol
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mythic is even worse
blazing condor
2% more deaths on pala
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mythic is 7k warris
blazing condor
than warr
ocean yoke
mythic prot parse numbers are hilarious comparing to other tanks
dawn canyon
16k 
ocean yoke
artificer like 70 vs 1500 bdks when we got him last night
blazing condor
interesting how monk has such high overkill
idrk monks well so maybe it makes sense
but with stagger
mighty valley
druid overkill is enormous
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blazing condor
that makes more sense
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vdh has the highest% of death to # of parses
blazing condor
hehe nobs
jagged pier
yer lithium does fuck all
jagged pier
u dying there i dunno
chilly brook
pwar is legit immune to lihuvim
Shield wall and kekw
jagged pier
SR and kekw
blazing condor
kekw
grave crane
kekw
jagged pier
halaondrus is also not damage
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ye
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ye
chrome falcon
you can fuck up half the taunts on halondrus and be fine anyway too
but holy shit
those rotating beams
actually put you in the fucking blender
literally 150k dps
urban portal
well yeah, you arent supposed to touch those
grave crane
i find that if i take 2 beams on halondrus and dont have several defensives to cylce through i probably die
chrome falcon
oh yeah
i'm not saying you can tank 2 beams
i'm saying that half the casts have enough time between that you don't fuck up if you die
which is weird
chilly brook
I find it funny when another tank taunts off me during halo intermission
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can confirm i died to normal halondrus getting 2 beamed through SW
chilly brook
It’s like “lance tickles”
urban portal
does lance actually do nothing to prot wars during the walk
chrome falcon
lance tickles but you're not getting much healing
chilly brook
does lance actually do nothing to prot wars during the walk
It does damage
grave crane
i have done it once, and i had to SW, shout, SB and channel FC and i think my druid iron barked me and eveyone went oh hes not dead
chrome falcon
and yeah you're not meant to stand in the sky beams but normally tanks can survive thing you're not meant to stand in
chilly brook
Granted I haven’t done mythic halo as a tank
chrome falcon
it's just a surprisingly huge 1 shot
that still kills you in a second through shield wall
chilly brook
But you have so much rage between IP and indom you’re basically fine in intermission
And it’s easy to charge weave during intermission too
grave crane
Haly is a good boss i think, andy too for tanks. other fights kinda boring for tanks so far
strong forum
lets test how high we can get the atk speed increase
love that minigame when bosses have that
chilly brook
The only way you die is if homeboi doesn’t taunt remnant off you after soul reaper
chrome falcon
halondrus is a pretty fun boss to tank the first few times, it's kinda lame that you don't really have to play your class at all but the positioning stuff is cool
the problem is that you don't get to engage with the mechanic that is gonna wipe you 200+ times
so you can't optimise at all to help the raid
so you do the same thing for like a month and then eventually your dps learn to play and it dies
chilly brook
halondrus is a pretty fun boss to tank the first few times, it's kinda lame that...
As far as having to aim boss mechanics at things, it’s the best one this expansion
Fuck sire wracking pain
Shit definitely needed a visual for the cone
grave crane
sire still best fight this expac imo but yeah wracking pain was definitely a little wonky
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i hated sire
chilly brook
Sire was a good fight
jagged pier
sire was fucking shit
grave crane
i enjoyed sire more than slyv or jailer
chilly brook
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but i hated sire for how much trouble the guild had with it
not because of tank mechanics
chilly brook
but i hated sire for how much trouble the guild had with it
This
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i cant just silently tank bosses
without trying to manage the raid at the same time
i just cant
grave crane
ah thats not my job i tank theres a RL for the other stuff
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which makes raid tanking VERY hard
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even if im not RL
chilly brook
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i look out for others
cuz i cba wiping
so i did callout even when i wasnt tank
and i also did callouts for my cotank
so i played like 3 roles at once
at all times
chrome falcon
pointing wracking pain was so fucking annoying on denathrius
but he was still fun to tank just because
holy shit
that man could fucking MELEE
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which is why i find raid tanking hard, cuz i do alot more than only focus on myself
grave crane
i mean i call out if theres something thats not being done or if the other tank needs to taunt but theres a RL that calls out when stuffs going out and theres other dps in our raid who are reliable seconds in that regard
chilly brook
that man could fucking MELEE
He hit like a truck
chilly brook
i mean i call out if theres something thats not being done or if the other tank ...
Raid leaders can’t do everything unless they’re 21st man
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i tried doing everything on council... it was too much
chilly brook
Most guilds I’ve been in appreciate a little help here and there
grave crane
i agree, which is why theres a lot of personal responsiblity and im in no way saying i just zone out and tank btw
chilly brook
Like for example I’ve been trying to organize kicks for last phase on Pantheon
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tanking + calling mechanics + watching for positioning + calling healing CDs
was just too much for 1 person on council
chrome falcon
i can link you some WAs for interrupts on each boss that are giga easy to set up griff
if you want
chilly brook
i can link you some WAs for interrupts on each boss that are giga easy to set up...
Anything helps
That’s like 30 something pulls or something like that
grave crane
tanking + calling mechanics + watching for positioning + calling healing CDs
yeah RL does mechanics, i do tank positioning and healers do CDs and i rally when i see health drop
why would they have you do all that if theres other capable people to do stuff is my question?
chilly brook
why would they have you do all that if theres other capable people to do stuff i...
Because people don’t do that
It’s rare that people step up and just take initiative to call things
Or even be bothered with anything outside of whatever they’re supposed to be doing
grave crane
thats fair, ive seen guilds that dont do any of this and cant clear normal so i guess its just a way some people are
chrome falcon
i try to call everything but sometimes i forget and various raiders fill in the gaps
apart from healing
i literally do not know what my healers are doing ever
and i don't want to know
that's their shit i'm too busy to handle that
chilly brook
and i don't want to know
Based
vocal cave
Is vulpera good for prot warr?
toxic pewter
Is vulpera good for prot warr?
Yes I am Vulpera they are best prot warrior race
vocal cave
no kappa?
toxic pewter
Nose for Trouble is like 6-8% of my overall healing throughout a dungeon
I mean in my opinion at least
But many will disagree
mighty valley
Race matters very little overall so go with what looks cool to you
urban portal
nose is rly good
jagged pier
race really doesnt matter
dusky canopy
It is the best option defensively but it is not necessary
chilly brook
Nose is like
chrome falcon
best race is 100% the one you enjoy most
chilly brook
Imho the most overblown thing in the world
It looks great on paper
But it’s also happening when you’re at you’re tankiest
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chrome falcon
nose is good but if you want an aoe dispel play belf and if you want an aoe stun play tauren
play tauren btw hey you should play tauren
play tauren.
toxic pewter
highmountain tauren seems good to me also
dusky canopy
As soon as I tried doing the lake pull in DoS as a vulpera and realized It drops me into the water because my toon is so small I immediately changed back to Tauren lmao
toxic pewter
feel like race changing to goblin, my original warr was goblin
can u pay for it for me
dusky canopy
Legit goated race
Does Goblin fall into the water in DoS like vulpera does?
toxic pewter
wat u mean
chilly brook
Does Goblin fall into the water in DoS like vulpera does?
I don't have the problem but they're like the same model iirc
toxic pewter
what water
blazing condor
Does Goblin fall into the water in DoS like vulpera does?
they do cus i do (panda)
at least at some place
chilly brook
what water
some water that's waist height on other races is swimming depth on goblin/vulpera
blazing condor
but in the normal water then id imagine so
amber herald
gnomes fall in
dusky canopy
In DoS ardenwield the small characters are forced to swim in the lake so the big bird pull with urn sucks ass
dusky canopy
Does the mount item that allows water walking get canceled when being struck by a mob? If it persists then that would be a way to avoid the swim
toxic pewter
omg <@179993058186625025> and the troll online at the same time
I am not a troll
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Does the mount item that allows water walking get canceled when being struck by ...
yes it fades if you take dmg
chilly brook
furry
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just like normal water walking
chilly brook
smh
chilly brook
chilly brook
Pandas are dope
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see
toxic pewter
I am a cute little fox
chilly brook
he only likes the fat furries
gotta embrace the NA race
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Kultiran?
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soon tm
mighty valley
i play nightborne, i basically use the racial never
chilly brook
imagine not having all races unlocked
I don't play alliance so I lack the achievement for kultiran
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imagine
chilly brook
I have Dark Iron tho
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i plan on leveling dark iron from 10 to 60 in 9.2.5
so i get all the sweet tmog and mount stuff
and then race change to it on main
finally back to the correct side of wow
mighty valley
my og warrior from vanilla was just a human warrior, torn on whether to switch back to her for crossplay
strong forum
im still on my OG warrior
but forced into horde in bfa cuz alliance ded
i was dwarf for 11 years 😦
mighty valley
when was the tipping point? really early on it was always alliance favored
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mop
and then they never had a reason to swap back to alliance
so everybody just stayed horde
and more and more people went to horde cuz more people are on horde
all until now
where you have like an 80/20 spread for "high end pve"
vernal vale
I'm still playing the night elf warrior I played in wrath.
At this point I would lose so much to go horde I just cannot.
Reputations, mounts, transmogs that are faction based.
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you kinda dont lose anything
reputations carry over 1-1
mounts sure, but the good ones arent faction specific
same as tmogs EXCEPT level 60 pvp set
chrome falcon
https://wago.io/jvRW7YPd7
https://wago.io/5qnXRsf1V @chilly brook pantheon WAs, people will need to set their own position in the interrupt WA but that should be literally all the work you need
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and i guess BFA s1 and s2 elite sets are also pretty dope
cant wait to rock them again tbh
chrome falcon
BFA s2 elite for horde is dope
chrome falcon
goes really well with pvp artifact
chrome falcon
the legs/feet look goofy as hell
dawn canyon
well it locks you into zug zug
chrome falcon
but the chest/shoulders/belt are great
strong forum
the entire set is basic af
chrome falcon
also the boots work on races with weird feet which is automatic points
they're the only boots in the game that look good on a cow
strong forum
your fault for playing ugly cow
vernal vale
Hahaha
chrome falcon
that set bangs hard
strong forum
so
chrome falcon
i won't pretend otherwise
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fucking good
vernal vale
That's a great set
strong forum
i dont have the elite shoulders
but these fit just as well
such a good set
and the shield aswell
is fucking amazing
dawn canyon
blue dwarf hair>
chrome falcon
the horde s2 shield is sick too
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dawn canyon
horde s2 works will with hidden scale
dawn canyon
tf is that set 
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its just from wowhead bruh
dawn canyon
ofc its a goat
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so ofc you wont get people who have actual eyes
dawn canyon
smhh
strong forum
blue dwarf hair>
white
i only rock white hair on dwarf melees
warri gotta have white hair
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nothing
i dont like blue hair on males
there are only 3 haircolours id rock, white, red or black (shaman) anything else is a no-go
ebon geyser
please refrain to use paladin mog on non paladin... it really triggers me
ebon geyser
really bothers me but i get that u like the look
like in a personal level
idk why but
yeah
lol
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i only care about aesthetics, not if it "belongs"
1 thing tho
i really dont like swords on DKs
for some reason
doesnt feel right
dawn canyon
bdk feels right with a long 2h so in the end its all personal
dawn canyon
i mean their artifact is an axe
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And short
toxic pewter
I wish vulpera looked good in transmog
instead my damn ears stick out like some schmuck
dawn canyon
ears good tho
strong forum
This is my favourite axe in the game
It looks so fucking good and it's a short weapon
Fits so well for dwarfs
dawn canyon
blade of the harbingers, no?
dawn canyon
What race looks the coolest in plate
go to the wowhead dressing room, take your tmog idea and run it through all the races
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so my favourite axe is a sword
I lowkey hate that axe