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waxen orbit
mighty valley
we should all dip back into classic wrath to appreciate post-legion melee sound design
mortal brook
idk, feral abilities actually made good cat sounds back in wrath
mighty valley
no one wants to hear about feral here
not welcome in melee club
venthyr gang were all my homies also
side stories in shadowlands were often great
vernal vale
we should all dip back into classic wrath to appreciate post-legion melee sound ...
I'm honestly debating classic wrath just because it's when I started playing and decided warrior was my one class.
vernal vale
side stories in shadowlands were often great
I think so few people pay attention to quest stuff a lot of great stories are missed out on.
mighty valley
My guess is it'll be fun to dip in, but phase 1 is pretty bad so a lot of people won't stick around for wrath to get great
oblique garnet
My guess is it'll be fun to dip in, but phase 1 is pretty bad so a lot of people...
Honestly tempted to play wrath again
mighty valley
if I'm blizzard i'm hard rushing ulduar out
mighty valley
kory feldman
chrome falcon
i feel like evoker is gonna have some fights where they're giga unplayable
vernal vale
My guess is it'll be fun to dip in, but phase 1 is pretty bad so a lot of people...
Very likely true. Anyone who started after hit٪ and the like where removed won't like it no matter what.
vernal vale
i feel like evoker is gonna have some fights where they're giga unplayable
Depends on if they can charge up while moving or not.
chrome falcon
maybe they move slower or something idk
strong forum
13k is pretty bad for dk
mighty valley
if arcane mage can survive halondrus evoker will probably manage
mighty valley
yeah
chilly brook
Not that warrior is bad right now
but I wouldn't want to play warrior as is without banner and glory and tier
chrome falcon
i agree with what nomers saying with giving us some way to play well to get more SB
rn if you play well you get more rage
mighty valley
it's really fun right now with near perfect SB uptime and enough rage flood to make IP an effective spell
chilly brook
Honestly tempted to play wrath again
I will be just to play paladin pre holy power rework again
mighty valley
if we go back to a world of big SB gaps, IP is too inefficient and weird of a spell to "cover" for it
oblique garnet
I will be just to play paladin pre holy power rework again
I just want my rend tc back
chilly brook
wrath prot was fun too tbh
chilly brook
I made a warrior back in wrath just for titan's grip
but started playing prot and I didn't regret it
mighty valley
raid tanking was sorta terrifying back then, every melee was a truck, tankbusters truly ripped
just had healers chaincasting & canceling on you
hoping for mitigation
mighty valley
the tankbusters were things like the blast on firefighter
which was like "have a CD or external or just die"
vernal vale
Worst fight I did was Heroic 25m Putricide. That was a cancer of a fight.
Missed out on all of Ulduar so no algalon the raid breaker for me.
mighty valley
bring back limited attempts for RWF so top guilds don't give themselves mental illness
it'll be funny to see yogg 0 lights go down immediately
vernal vale
it'll be funny to see yogg 0 lights go down immediately
Yeah
blazing condor
One week til nax is down
chrome falcon
do they even bother releasing wotlk naxx
chrome falcon
most of the classic playerbase did naxx already it's gonna people keep interested for like 5 minutes
chrome falcon
there's a difference between doing naxx for the first time in 16 years or maybe the first time ever, and doing it like a year after you stopped doing it in classic
but yeah classic raiding is fuckin
rough anyway
strong forum
Every guilds with more than 2.7 braincells will swoop through all of it
Nobody cares about a new experience of those people who aren't doing it for the very first time
mighty valley
wrath naxx was cleared immediately the FIRST time around
sacred timber
is IQD any good?
I have a 272 weapon and 246 OWS + 239 aegis now. My vault is 278 IQD + 278 Crit Mast Weapon.
mighty valley
it sims well when you assume it procs stats every time but most real situations you really can't guarantee that
some dps specs swear by it but like... you need to use it on CD, when everyone's healthy, at or near start of pull, with a healer who's never low on mana
mighty valley
real inconsistent
mighty valley
oh damn zap those boys
mighty valley
neat
trim bay
anima field emitter yay or nay
chrome falcon
depends what else you got
shitload of haste on its proc though it's not bad at all
trim bay
chrome falcon
i mean your other trinkets
sonic tangle
Looking to recraft my unity belt finally. I have 278 bracers and gloves, and my BIS stat rings (one of which has a socket). Am I better just crafting it to boots and moving Reprisal to another piece?
chrome falcon
how are you doing with tier?
sonic tangle
I have 4 piece, helm, chest, shoulders, legs
chrome falcon
optimally you want to creation catalyst your gloves and go unity helm reprisal boots
sonic tangle
I have tier gloves but they're 265 and not good stats so I wanna wear the 278s
distant crystal
what he said :p
it's just gloves, one of the better slots to have not good stats in :p
291 in the big stat slot with your preferred stats is p large
you can also just sim
chrome falcon
291 on helmet is big juicy str stam
sonic tangle
That's ptru
I used the CC to craft a dinkass helm last week for 4 set. I'll probably just do that for now
vernal vale
291 on helmet is big juicy str stam
Hey, I've been meaning to ask why did you go haste mastery on your legendaries?
vernal vale
Hahaha
I went haste mastey on unity because when I do find a new guild odds are I'm gonna have to fury.
Granted it feels impossible to find a guild that works for my availability.
cinder nova
What the hell is Ze on that lets 'em parse so hard.
chrome falcon
mythic sigil helps
cinder nova
I mean they were pulling 100s across the board in SoD too
Is it like a mix of kill times and good play?
Because I see a lot of their 100 parses are from these really narrow boss kills.
chrome falcon
well yeah, not gonna be anything else
scuffed kills are perfect for prot too
best way to parse dausegne is to have like 9 people die and you get twice as much time executing her last shield
dude seems like a beast for sure though
cinder nova
This xpack is really where they appear to be hitting their stride. I can see BFA was kinda meh for them.
chrome falcon
parsing in bfa was so miserable
uncut notch
Lads
Gambit
How long we taking to kill last boss in tyr weeks
Struggling to get under 4.5-5 mins
Even with locks absolutely blasting
Seems to just go on for SO long
Tried 19-21 and all failed due to last boss taking fucking aeons
Even with the wo skip route it’s DOA because I have 6-8 mins to do 50% trash and the sticks just take forever
frigid spire
anyone know where the list for Spell Ref would be at?
pliant sage
anyone know where the list for Spell Ref would be at?
Pins
mellow bridge
You have to cc the sticks cast
We took like 6-7 mins for 53% trash on 25
And last boss is just very long
Tied for the longest fight with devos on tyra probably
Wo skip seems pretty useless to me too
chrome falcon
i hope we get to skip ignore pain and take colossus smash instead
vernal vale
My vault is awful but since I've had terrible trinket luck this tier guess I take earthbreaker's impact
chilly brook
How long we taking to kill last boss in tyr weeks
4:21 in an 18
coulda been much faster
but hunter was sandbagging
vernal vale
Screw it I'll stick with my current trinkets earthbreaker's isn't good anyways. Time for a third socket to sit in my bank until I get something worth my time.
median tulip
The ToP+15 I just did (EU here) we killed Mordretha in 1:56
mighty valley
Mordretha has barely any health, such a relief after the three slog bosses down below
median tulip
I love +2ing a ToP, and getting told by the next party leader that Warriors can't tank ToP
Like... it's our easiest dungeon by far
mighty valley
median tulip
Mordretha has barely any health, such a relief after the three slog bosses down ...
She has even less when I spell reflect her Scythe back at her
mighty valley
Yeah the SR buff was so nice for her
There's a little variance but when you get them all it's so good
chilly brook
Even with the wo skip route it’s DOA because I have 6-8 mins to do 50% trash and...
extremely doable
we wiped on the boss
came back
killed
and completed the trash % with like a minute left on the timer
we completed the rest of the trash % in 4:53
got in combat and never left combat
mighty valley
I don't think most people have a ton of practice on the tazavesh bosses
I played a ton of HM tazavesh last season but I keep noticing people not knowing what to do, or playing overly safe for bad uptime, etc
obtuse monolith
There’s a lot to say about how they made Taz optional content in 9.1. I went the whole tier without running it. Now having to learn it for m+…
Meanwhile they just straight up added it to random group dungeon finder for fresh 60s. Not split up either the whole damn thing. No one knew what to do
ebon geyser
Anyone didn't use their charge last week and can confirm if they have 2 charges for tier crafting
distant crystal
i'm about to use my first charge on alt sec
but it is supposed to stack charges ye
ebon geyser
Someone in my guild said yes but I don't trust this clowns
mighty valley
There’s a lot to say about how they made Taz optional content in 9.1. I went the...
day 1 taz hm was some of the most fun i've had in wow tbh
but the way they use hard mode dungeons does feel a bit out of place with the other structures of the game
wow was better when we were all way more ignorant
median tulip
I did Taz HM once for the mount, never did it again
mighty valley
my guild did a bunch of armor stacks to quickly gear alts
more fun than soloing for catchup gear
just a fun dungeon
median tulip
People who form parties without another melee to be my intervene bitch piss me off
chrome falcon
yeah my team has always been full of melee, it's nice that this/last raid we finally didn't get giga fucking punished for it
melee just more fun
and that's the truth
lofty widget
so so'azmi is still bugged, 3 back to back shuris, and portals moving mid shuri as well 
obtuse monolith
wow was better when we were all way more ignorant
I do kind of miss the ignorant early days. We went from dungeons having huge differences in accessibility, difficulty, length to something that’s lost a foundational base of the genre.
The second you could get the same two badges from Ramps that you could from Arcatraz, who the heck was going to run the PITA stuff. Especially once they ditched attunement quests
mighty valley
the theorycrafting was less prevalent, item levels not displayed on items, so everything could just feel more different
now we know what's good and bad so they have to flatten everything more
median tulip
now we know what's good and bad so they have to flatten everything more
and yet ToP is still the easiest dungeon in the game, by far
mighty valley
i wouldn't even say it's the easiest dungeon in shadowlands
but that wasn't really what i was talking about
hard vessel
It's easiest for us tho
But pls nerf wicked bolts in halls
They buffed them early 9.1 only to say " fuck warriors"
wraith hemlock
When something says "procs per minute = [2.5+haste] is the "haste" part put as a 1.X or 0.X? (I just read the tooltip on first technique from the Codex
distant crystal
i think it's actually like 2.5 * 1/haste
- haste is just showing that it's hasted
or wait maybe 2.5 * 1+haste
wraith hemlock
it shows as + which is why I put it like that but I dunno if the tooltip on wowhead is accurate either... I know it bears no real importance to the gameplay since I'll be stacking haste anyway but a friend asked me the ppm and I realized I didn't have a clue bout it and we were... well confused with the tooltip on wowhead
thanks for the help waat
buoyant heath
Anyone know how the new talent trees are going to look like for us in 10.0?
chrome falcon
Yes I know the whole tree but I’m not telling anyone 🙂
median tulip
😂
brave stirrup
fastest way to level a covenant if you have already done ZM
buoyant heath
Secrets don’t make friends
median tulip
fastest way to level a covenant if you have already done ZM
choregast
brave stirrup
worst possible answer imaginable
median tulip
you said "fastest", not "best" or "most pleasurable"
brave stirrup
i know, i brought it on myself
can do any layer? or do you get more levels per layer diffucluty
difficulty
median tulip
IDK TBH
Do all 3 World Bosses and all of LFR as well
and you get a bunch from the story quests if you can be arsed
obtuse monolith
fastest way to level a covenant if you have already done ZM
Comp stomp!
brave stirrup
ayyyyyeee
ebon geyser
This is pogers
mental slate
Why are prot warriors considered to be bad in 9.2?
median tulip
Why are prot warriors considered to be bad in 9.2?
Because the majority of the player base is hard of thinking
cinder nova
☝️
scenic mural
I think thats dumb af. Should be all 8 and 2 old ones
mighty valley
If they get back on track and seasons don't last nine months, I love this new plan
scenic mural
Imagine something like DoS (blood spattered scale) not available for whole season. Just odd, like id like something like this for s2 and s3 but in a new xpac i wanna play the new dungeons
mighty valley
please don't make another blood spattered scale
scenic mural
Or how bout they make more desirable trinkets. Its not sclaes fault its like the only gold dungeon tank trinket
obtuse monolith
I know they’re changing PvP gear upgrades but maybe you can M0 and get upgradable trinks in the non rotation dungeon.
I like not playing same 8 all xpac long
mighty valley
i'm just saying if they don't fuck up and clearly make a bis trinket that's miles above every other dungeon trinket, we won't be too sad if a dungeon isn't in rotation
scenic mural
Idk just seems like a later in the xpac kinda thing. I just personally feel like for the first season id like to play the new content, then introduce older content
mighty valley
Sure, I can see s1 new dungeons, s2 & 3 mix it up
But the starting idea of keeping the dungeon rotation more fresh is great, specifics can be tweaked
scenic mural
I agree, at this point in an xpac i want a change of scenery. I didnt feel that way in s1
I do like that they are changing things up though
ebon geyser
Because the majority of the player base is hard of thinking
U mean most prot warriors are bad. Except us 
vernal vale
sadly only 50% Banner time in that ToP
14 deaths and it still timed >.<
wasted a fuckload of rage too damn I'm doing miserable
urban portal
it shows as + which is why I put it like that but I dunno if the tooltip on wowh...
basically yeah you want as much haste as possible with that
prot warrior is never hitting the cap
ocean yoke
hell yeah mythic xymox neck with leech, we big crit gamers now
brave stirrup
was it announced how many dungeons the new expansion will have
scenic mural
they are speculating 8 bc 4 first season 4 the next
odd tree
doin it, i think...
latent pier
Reflecting enraged bolts and just one shooting mobs is fun
rigid flower
Okay, I'm improving on damage but I'm unsure if it's best to just blow all CDs at once when I'm safe cause I just overcap. (This is NW 15 this week)
rn I've mostly just been popping demo shout where applicable and only using avatar after I'm at like 45 rage
scenic mural
Just pop avatar if its not gonna waste an outburst proc
rigid flower
ah yeah I forgot that's what it does with 4pc. been just watching 2pc
So probably proc outburst, slam, avatar, fillers, slam
mighty valley
You really want to be hitting avatar on CD so watch for it coming up and dump rage harrddddd
Anyway what are these venues where people just talk mad shit about prot warriors all the time
I'm insulated from these comments
ionic fern
Streams,tier lists and just lingering outdated information.
vernal vale
Literally trade chat tonight
wraith hemlock
so I'm seeing some wars go heavy repercs and other go AM, both as necro prot... why is that? (on high keys)
mighty valley
conventional wisdom is that when the incoming damage gets extremely high, HR is the defensive choice that makes sure you live through really long pulls
anything less than the biggest keys you should definitely be AM
and even in the biggest keys i don't think anyone's 100% sure post-tier
wraith hemlock
I see... so also when your dps is not good enough (like the dps in ur party) to ensure you dont' die before SB falls off
mighty valley
i mean, that's just another, much more fixable problem though
honestly if group dps is low you should bring as much dps as you can
hence AM still
wraith hemlock
okie dokie (this is for guild groups mostly since sometimes we bring people that need a hand)
hard vessel
Has anybody an idea how to prevent Kevin from marilrrth from pulling random mobs in dungeons?
blazing condor
I dont think thats ever been a problem for me so its weird if he does
But i would say a cancelaura in that case
vault
ionic fern
What did you get?
median tulip
10 mins to vault
ionic fern
Oh.
blazing condor
got you lmao
ionic fern
I'm not home so early to know when the reset is. 😦
median tulip
I know 'cos I just finished a 15 in time for my 3rd option
median tulip
spent too much time this week running legion dungeons for alt drops
blazing condor
but im kinda hoping for a dope trinket or something
ionic fern
Just..update so,mething?
I only got 2p..but i have chest/legs that i can craft to get 4p this week.
Just waiting to see what i get from vault.
ionic fern
Idk, @strong forum said i can.
blazing condor
pog
median tulip
I have 5 pieces, but 3 are 252. I have some 278 legs I can craft this week unless the vault offers me some alternative
What I actually want is a shield
blazing condor
probably getting 3k this week too for once
granted i have time to degen
fort raging gonna be hurtin tho
median tulip
Good week to know a good hunter
blazing condor
i do know a good hunter
ionic fern
I just tank keys when someone asks me. 😦
Tho with 4p i might actually do it for the fun again.
blazing condor
ionic fern
Especially now that i finally managed to upgrade my 148 Veteran's Repute.
ionic fern
It really is.:')
blazing condor
how much more str% you got from that?
ionic fern
I think it was close to 10% more.
ionic fern
My NL is still at 48 Renown tho.
No Kevin.
ANd no soulbinds other than Mari.
Which is more or less all i need i guess.
@blazing condorwhere vault.
blazing condor
had to reboot game
stuck in loading screen
also cooking up lunch for college in the meantime
and eating breakfast
kinda pog
i got 278 legs i can turn into tier already
so i could take the 278 chest for next week
but then im inting the 4p
median tulip
I'd play the long game
blazing condor
at the same time i could pull another 278 tier piece next vault or another 278 slot to turn into tier
median tulip
But you can definitely have 2 278 tier in a week. Take the certainty
blazing condor
at least i got 4p
jagged pier
boost to all 20s when?
dapper fjord
What makes you guys tick. M+ only, codex or soleah?
I've read the pin about codex being ok, but "ok" doesn't quite cut it in my case.
mighty valley
codex has a point, v good survival in really big keys
soleah's is just like an ok stat trinket, not very special
blazing condor
Id take codex
More fun
But i dont like stat sticks period
Also codex scales better with key level
Where as the stats wont
uncut notch
why doesnt prot tier get verse 😦
This is great! I cant wait to turn it into tier and ruin the secondaries
dawn canyon
Keeps leech
strong forum
Nothing you can do about it
uncut notch
Keeps leech
Oh thats not so bad
uncut notch
😐
storm isle
is the blade dancers armorkit any good?
jagged pier
no
storm isle
so offsett or sockets i gues
jagged pier
well thats like bis one hander
storm isle
i have a haste/vers with speed at 278 allready
storm isle
ye i guessed as much
strange lintel
what are my options for trinkets anyways. ive been using the scale and the shield trinket from sod cuz everything else just feels bad in comparison
my 220 scale still pulling enough weight to not be changed agaisnt anything else ive seen
and a new scale wont even drop lol
blazing condor
Huh
No way that 220 scale is still good
Absorb is like 30k and you lose like 30 strength from a current trinket
jagged pier
why the fuck u still using a 220 scale
like everything is better than that based on pure ilvl alone
strong forum
I hardly find use for my 262 scale
strong forum
Ya I only took it to have it
dawn canyon
Yo for some reason JPC of all people was tryna get a scale
Is the damage that good or are rogue trinkets that bad
strong forum
It used to do good dmg in beta
dawn canyon
Or is this high key wizardry
strong forum
Cuz it was uncapped
lament musk
Prolly high key stuff phil
dawn canyon
Rogue needing tank Trinket
strong forum
Since trinkets are pretty bad all around rn
dawn canyon
strong forum
All trinkets are pretty weak so might aswell run a tank trinket
dawn canyon
Ye the season of trinkets is over
simple rune
soleahs any good for us?
jagged pier
meh
simple rune
not blessed with options here
strong forum
That's pretty shit indeed
lyric geode
Folks, i am queuing for like 10 min in LFG as a protection warrior for 20s keys. I am 2858 rio and with 4p set, and still not get invited. Is it me or there is a bias towards protection warriors?
simple rune
I see a tmog item
mmmmmm
strong forum
Folks, i am queuing for like 10 min in LFG as a protection warrior for 20s keys....
2.5k is too low for 20s for pigs
Oh it's 2.8k
Still
Quite low
lyric geode
ok
strong forum
And yes, they don't want prot warri
dawn canyon
There's an unfair bias and people generally wont risk sub 3k
However
Run own key
Get 3k
lament musk
Pigs play m+ now? 
dawn canyon
Pigs play m+ now? <:detective:912341312907378689>
This is what ronin is always talking about
lofty widget
since when can sack pull mobs out of combat? 
vocal geode
one of the wack things with codex too is that if you target a mob while it's active it hits it for like 1-3 dps
idk why
so u pull mobs out of combat when it's active if you target them
lyric geode
hahahahaha
vocal geode
which key we talking
lyric geode
which key we talking
You replied to me?
vocal geode
yes
lyric geode
Ah, 20 spires
vocal geode
blazing condor
Sanguino player
lyric geode
I got invited after 15 min of queueing. Wish me good luck
dawn canyon
go slam
hard vessel
2.8k is kinda low for 20s, I am sitting at 3150 and can't get into 20s as warmup
Only way to play as prot is use your own key always
blazing condor
Base 20s on both weeks are about 3k rating right
So technically youd wanna be around there
But its defo overkill
strange lintel
io system is nesesary but jesus christ it gets so dumb sometimes
want to do 20s but need score higher than 20s to get invited to 20s
strong forum
Also cuz you do infact get people who have higher score
Not alot of people do first come first serve
strange lintel
" wait a couple of minutes before inviting and watch the scores soar " yep
dawn canyon
tbf i would also take a 3300 over a 2900
so guess we are all to blaim for wanting the way of least resistance
blazing condor
I usually check to see if theyve completed a key at the level im doing
strong forum
Like I take fucking 900 score people to 15s cuz lmao
Shit don matter
Just press dmg
strange lintel
youd be surprised how hard that is to some people tho
dawn canyon
Like I take fucking 900 score people to 15s cuz lmao
they can use it so migth aswell
wholesome
blazing condor
Nothing matters
strange lintel
pity ksm hu
strong forum
I do 80% of the work anyway, might aswell pick somebody that won't have an attitude ykno
strange lintel
i tank my keys now so theres no more attitude
strong forum
Cuz the higher their score, the higher their entitlement
strange lintel
usually i would get some tanks with heads so far up their asses that telling em " go " would trigger em
ionic fern
just dont do keys
Normal people do keys. Weird ones raid.
strong forum
So I often specifically don't invite high score people
jagged pier
Normal people do keys. Weird ones raid.
true
but not doing keys means i dont need to log in everyday
lyric geode
usually i would get some tanks with heads so far up their asses that telling em ...
I would love to do that
I would literally spam
strange lintel
ive had tanks literally "stop the fucking car to lecture us" situations when someone said " go "
ionic fern
Keys = log in once a week, do what ever..even just one key..ggwp
Raids = log in on dedicated times 2-3x per week.
😠
strong forum
Tbf I don't like when there's a dumbfuck dps telling me to go
jagged pier
Keys = log in once a week, do what ever..even just one key..ggwp
Raids = log in ...
most ppl that run keys dont just do 1 key a week, thats just you
strong forum
There's usually a reason
strange lintel
sure but its really fucking silly to burn a key out of a word
lyric geode
ive had tanks literally "stop the fucking car to lecture us" situations when som...
The best thing i did as a hunter back when i played this class was to MD the tank and pull my packs i wanted to pull
dawn canyon
i do one a week :)
ionic fern
most ppl that run keys dont just do 1 key a week, thats just you
I'm the norm. It's fine.
😂
strong forum
Well yeah I'd never burn a key
jagged pier
I'm the norm. It's fine.
1 key a week is outlier if u enjoy keys imo
ionic fern
Oh, i wasn't talking about enjoyment.
strange lintel
only reason i do 3 vaults now is cuz alot of the guild is doing 15s+ before id just do one or w.e
ionic fern
That's the nom
True, that is Nom.
jagged pier
ive had tanks literally "stop the fucking car to lecture us" situations when som...
i dont push keys to 20, because i have to pug and u dont need to do speical skips and stuff in 20s to time them, but whenever i join them its expected, and I dont even fuck it up its usually the person that makes me do it that fucks it up
so i just cba
🤷
and guess who gets blamed
its always me
strange lintel
dude a druid tank friend does 20s and does not give a fuck about complicated skips. still times em
ionic fern
I don't even know the new routes. 😦
I still run DoS like the good old days.
Not this invis thingy.
jagged pier
dude a druid tank friend does 20s and does not give a fuck about complicated ski...
yer same but still get told it needs to be done to time
strange lintel
im still pushing to 18s this season gotta rn my own keys cuz nobody likes prot war cuz some dumbfuck said we bad
jagged pier
i literally press w
ionic fern
I like that Prot Warrior is slept on.
jagged pier
and time all keys because i do more damage than dps
dawn canyon
dratnoob 😡
ionic fern
Makes me happy.
jagged pier
so its like 4 dps'ers in a key
jagged pier
I like that Prot Warrior is slept on.
but u also dont play
dawn canyon
or 3 since one is slacking
ionic fern
Ya
dawn canyon
and you replace
jagged pier
so it doesnt effect you
jagged pier
on alliance
dawn canyon
it prevents people from thinking ur a fotm-er
jagged pier
where it was take the tank or not do the key
strange lintel
im like a cheer leader. i keep all the thugs on my skirt and cheer everyone to do better ( banner )
ionic fern
where it was take the tank or not do the key
It was a better time.
You joined a random group and instantly knew atleast 2 out of the 4 people.
strong forum
You can do keys up to 24 if not higher without any fancy shit
Playing keys clean times keys
Not doing fancy ultra pull wo skips with a big chance to fuck it up
strange lintel
suming the dps is up to par im guessing
ionic fern
Half the "shit tank" complaints come down to DPS being bad. 🤷
jagged pier
You can do keys up to 24 if not higher without any fancy shit
i know but tell that to pugs
like still to this day
i dont understand why ppl skip the start of PF
the trash is a joke
strong forum
Ya I don't either
jagged pier
and if u wipe and skip the keys over
strong forum
I for the first time did a pf where we skipped the first packs
strange lintel
dies > releases > its done
strong forum
I was lacking over 15% count by the time we finished 3rd boss
And I had to scramble so fucking much
To get enough count
We still timed it +2
Even tho we backtracked for like 5min
Fucking dogshit route if you're not pulling everything after first boss
ionic fern
Funniest thing is that people usually die to the puddles the big guy puts down and then complain how it's everyone elses fault and leave.
fringe folio
People just see this on streams, and then somehow think they need it for a 15 key or so. Most people also think they are above average drivers. I think that also goes for m+ really
strong forum
Most people think they're above average
ionic fern
Wdym above average.
I think i'm the best.
At what ever i do.
Everyone else is trash.
ionic fern
if im competing on damage in keys with them
Ya, but it's your fault then.
For not pulling big
Right?
Or around their CD's
Or positioning bad.
ionic fern
I was being sarcastic.
strong forum
"When you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It's only painful & difficult for others. The same applies when you are stupid."
jagged pier
i know
strange lintel
Back to da shop
pliant narwhal
should i aim for 2 good set pieces 278 or better finish 4 set with 252 parts?
strong forum
Finish 4set first tbh
You can always upgrade more gear
But 4pc you only need to unlock once and then go from there
Same could be said about the 278s but eh, depends on how badly you want 4pc
obtuse monolith
I’d say we’re at the point where you take your 278s over lower iLvl tier. 2P is already free. LFR for 4P isn’t even bad on reset day. It’s free loot
trim bay
can u leap over the rings in dasausage
sweet summit
you'll still take damage
trim bay
😦
peak garnet
Is spell reflection a thing on Daus :)?
vocal geode
only for dr
obtuse monolith
😦
Same as literally everything in the game except nailing Painsmith jump with enough height. Leap = leap through it.
Blink, soulshape, transcendence, demonic circle teleport you past it
Can you imagine spacebar hopping over halos as an actual mechanic though? That’d be pretty funny.
obtuse monolith
Son, what’s this Venthyr you speak of? 😬
jagged pier
whats your other tank?
uncut notch
Explosive is a healer job
healer is very very new
jagged pier
boomkin and healer job
uncut notch
Nothing better than SS with Outburst an explosive
Only happened once and I was crying
jagged pier
im not doing that
i hardly hit them tbh
when ppl complian i ask what they want me to hit them with
hold SS thus waste rage
or use melee
that doesnt one shot them
obtuse monolith
H throw?
uncut notch
that doesnt one shot them
uhhhhhhhhh what
jagged pier
would be fine
uncut notch
autoattack oneshots
jagged pier
if there wasnt a min range
jagged pier
not always
uncut notch
Ive never seen an orb at half health, ever
but ive never done 20+ keys with explo
so probably that
jagged pier
i see them at 10% all the time
uncut notch
I usually just let devestator take care of them
tropic linden
When i was main healer there was only 1 pull in some dungeons where i needed help
The hall in halls b4 last boss
the mega pull in DOS
tropic linden
Nah, not that big
tropic linden
It's the number of mobs the problem, not the number of packs
If ppl don't take avoidable dmg is easy with a mouseover macro
ur just not healing at the beginning
And if u LOS the explosive it don't do dmg
jagged pier
nah they have like a certain amount
sometimes i dont just oneshot them
🤷
not often
but i also cba to switch to hit them with melee
cause im lazy
just make them hittable with revenge if u target them
and ill have them all
uncut notch
just make them hittable with revenge if u target them
It does work like that
I think?
Felt like I popped some with revenge
But might just be the gap between targeted and killed
If you have lots of people going for it
Easy to think it was you when someone else got it
Also pls god remove min range from HT
tropic linden
Hey smart ppl, can someone help me?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/HbX1ZKJ78rpDYVmx#fight=last&type=damage-done&source=13&sourcebuffs=367241&cutoff=0
Why when I filter first sigil it creates some blank spaces as if I didn't have the buff in the middle?
strong forum
Looks like a graphical bug
median tulip
grim codex is pretty bad, right?
strong forum
Ye
median tulip
k thx
dusky mica
The change they made to explo spawning distance made it hell for prot. When they used to spawn on the mob or in africa it was fine. Now, most of the time they spawn in your Heroic Throw deadzone.
Heroic Throw and Heroic Leap have a frigging deadzone is also moronic in the first place.
tardy sequoia
Can i turn these shoulders into tier set with catalyst, even if it is from raid and not M+ or pvp?
dusky mica
yeah but it will stay 252 forever
fallow cape
Help, I have 262 wep and shield atm. My vault is offering 278 shield (hast/mast) and 278 wep (haste/vers). Which is the better pick up?
tardy sequoia
that's ok, my other possibilities are a cape and wrists
so better than nothing I guess
median tulip
Help, I have 262 wep and shield atm. My vault is offering 278 shield (hast/mast)...
Shield
tardy sequoia
cuz wrists aren't part of the set am I right?
chrome falcon
Help, I have 262 wep and shield atm. My vault is offering 278 shield (hast/mast)...
Shield every time
median tulip
Help, I have 262 wep and shield atm. My vault is offering 278 shield (hast/mast)...
Your Shield is your biggest possible defense upgrade, no exceptions; take the shield
dusky mica
wrists wont contribute to set bonuses, correct
fallow cape
ok thanks friends
jagged pier
The change they made to explo spawning distance made it hell for prot. When they...
oh no, guess its other ppls job then
median tulip
I like explosive; they don't run after you so they make for good targets to charge at to proc Reprisal
dusky mica
It's a revelation when you jump on your DK, and you use the same binding as heroic throw for their one tap blood plague ranged spell.
I forget the spell name, DK is just cringe.
But that Heroic Throw deadzone nonsense is crazy.
weary lodge
The change they made to explo spawning distance made it hell for prot. When they...
Truth
weary lodge
Heroic Throw and Heroic Leap have a frigging deadzone is also moronic in the fir...
More truth
charge at any distance like DH leap would be nice.... would make reprisal even more broken though lol
blazing condor
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weary lodge
I like explosive; they don't run after you so they make for good targets to char...
I've had so many that end up in the charge dead-zone too though. Having to step 3yd back just to charge 8 yd when something started at 5yd is just dumb
strong forum
cuz wrists aren't part of the set am I right?
You can turn them into raid bracers tho, not into tier, but with the raid stats
latent hull
I posted this in log review but it was suggested I post here instead…. Seems like I'm missing something obvious but it seems like I'm hitting mobs with a wet noodle...any idea why my SS and Revenge are doing 2-3x less than I'm seeing in compares? This can't just be the 20% Str from Necro banner, right? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4xcFpj38tRmCdVBD/. Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
tropic linden
Is first sigil good?
median tulip
cuz wrists aren't part of the set am I right?
They are not tier, and They are Haste/Crit, but there are Haste/Vers ones drop from the first boss in the raid, so kinda not worth using a Cata charge on
vernal vale
I posted this in log review but it was suggested I post here instead…. Seems lik...
Overusing Thundercats, not enough revenge, not enough shield slam, not enough shield block
Basically hit more buttons and prioritize the important atuff
jagged pier
I posted this in log review but it was suggested I post here instead…. Seems lik...
your top use spell on halondrus is TC
thats really bad
on top of that your SS casts and revenge casts are like half of what they should be
vernal vale
^
latent hull
Yeah I get that but why are the SS casts themselves hitting so weakly?
vernal vale
Your wasting outburst on thunderclap
With how much your overusing it I'm sure that's part of it
median tulip
and you have low shield block uptime; remember SB gives 30% damage bonus to SS
vernal vale
Yeah I get that but why are the SS casts themselves hitting so weakly?
Use intervene more
Use shield block more.
jagged pier
cause in point
this is your casts on the left and mine on the right
my kill was 4 mins quicker than yours
and we had the same SS casts
👍
i even generated more rage in a much shorter time frame
vernal vale
Yeah I get that but why are the SS casts themselves hitting so weakly?
With anger management you should get more avatar uses than 7 in a 7min fight as well.
jagged pier
well i got 7 in 3:52 second fight
u can see above
like u just arent pressing anything
at all
median tulip
cause in point
this is your casts on the left and mine on the right
Wow, the fact that he has more IP uses but less uptime is really indicative, isn't it?
jagged pier
my fight is 4 mins shorter
pulsar wedge
missing PV conduit is so much overall damage
anybody still using it in keys?
instead of another conduit?
jagged pier
u should a lways use cov one unless your venthyr
vernal vale
vernal vale
Yeah I get that but why are the SS casts themselves hitting so weakly?
I have a similar fight time and we'll it's not perfect your casts should look closer to mine
pulsar wedge
thought the go to conduits was HnS/Merc bone/the reck one?
vernal vale
I'm actively working on improving my stuff @latent hull
median tulip
thought the go to conduits was HnS/Merc bone/the reck one?
Sir, this is #protection
pulsar wedge
Sir, this is <#148897941883584512>
my bad
median tulip
xD
dawn canyon
Based
rugged mural
I see streams where people go left first in HoA. I’ve tried it in pugs and it doesn’t go well. Have you guys had success going left first in HoA pugs?
vernal vale
I see streams where people go left first in HoA. I’ve tried it in pugs and it do...
Depends on the group
median tulip
"Success" is the antonym of "PUG"
vernal vale
Explosive is not a week to do big pulls so go right this week.
rugged mural
Seems like it requires organised kicks
vernal vale
Okay explosive in pugs is not a time to do big pulls. If your organized it's no issue.
Well not as much of one.
strong forum
Going left immediately makes it so you get Lust on CD really quickly together with a shard pull
It doesn't take too many kicks if you don't pull the casters from the stairs or middle
latent hull
Thanks all for the feedback. Appreciate it.
vernal vale
Thanks all for the feedback. Appreciate it.
Watch what's said here periodically and absorb the different feedback people are given. Spend time on a dummy work on speeding up your button presses.
latent hull
👍 that’s the plan!
odd tree
make a nice big wa for intervene, otherwise you'll forget about it
tropic star
how does necrolord m+ dam compare to like kyrian/NF
sweet summit
number bigger
strong forum
If played optimally it does more damage than NF or Kyr
Not by a huge margin, but it does
chrome falcon
is that if you include group damage too? or just personal
vernal vale
My sorry ass struggles to do the damage I should be.
topaz field
oh yes its explosive i forgot how goddamn dogshit prot is on that
vernal vale
oh yes its explosive i forgot how goddamn dogshit prot is on that
Prot does fine. People need to not ignore them.
dawn canyon
wrong channel mb
vernal vale
It's not a tank affix to deal with explosive.
topaz field
@vernal vale lets be honest once you are not pugging healing does 100 % but my warrior is my pug tank 😄
vernal vale
Yeah, my ToP last night was awful about forcing me to get them.
topaz field
i dont know is it worth to not skill devastator?
chrome falcon
no
topaz field
i legit have to w8 for ss reset to reliably kill them while carrying their asses through all other mechanics
chrome falcon
you can also just auto them
vernal vale
i legit have to w8 for ss reset to reliably kill them while carrying their asses...
Devestator is a must because the others are awful and you wouldn't have space to hit devastate in your rotation anyways
topaz field
all right then i straight up ignore the orbs thx for the advise folks
strong forum
is that if you include group damage too? or just personal
Personal
vernal vale
I'm still struggling to push highrt things 7 or 8k in a dungeon. ToP has so much downtime so that never helps for maintaining banner.
strong forum
strong forum
I did 8k dps in an beyond ultra scuffed top run last week with 2pc 255 ilvl
We say don't use TC as much, but 4cpm is a little too low
vernal vale
Yeah, my rage waste is what I'm working on. It's better than it was.
topaz field
also press reflect
jagged pier
and running aegis isnt good for damage
topaz field
u can reflect a lot of stuff in top usually 5 % of your overall
jagged pier
i mean he only got 331k healing out of it not using it in big enough pulls to make useful
vernal vale
I don't have good dps trinkets. :'(
jagged pier
just unequip
strong forum
Reflect doesn't count towards your own dmg in logs
lofty widget
if your shard "absorbs" the entire hit, does it show as healing?
strong forum
if your shard "absorbs" the entire hit, does it show as healing?
Yes
vernal vale
I've been trying to get a sack or phial but they don't like me.
lofty widget
i'm clueless as to what trinkets to run ngl
lofty widget
yep
strong forum
Nothing is like "yeah it's good"
Phial got nerfed by 30% but its still the closest thing to dealing dmg
Good stat trinkets don't exist
Tank trinkets lmao don't need em
vernal vale
Wish we had better trinkets that compared to countermeasure
lofty widget
ive been running sack in m+ but its only like 4-500 dps overall and it doesnt have mainstat either
vernal vale
Which makes it sad that it's one of our best damage trinkets
strong forum
It's only that phial does like 20% more dmg than sack on 2+ targets
But besides that, they're pretty equal for us
urban portal
Don't think sack sims as good as in practice
strong forum
Whetstone is also not as busted anymore, but better than phial and sack
urban portal
Since you can technically multidot sack
urban portal
Obviously who wants to do that
vernal vale
I need to throw Valor at my whetstone
strong forum
You're better off getting 1 stack of sack per target rather than trying to get 3 stacks on 1 target
Cuz the dmg is equal if 1 or 3 stacks
The only thing 3 stacks do is pop the effect earlier
Which is total fucking BS
blazing condor
oblique garnet
Its still good
oblique garnet
Gland is what 112?
strong forum
139
iirc
And soleahs at 278 is measly fucking 110
It's only better because of more strength
oblique garnet
And soleahs at 278 is measly fucking 110
Its 122 + 24 on 270
According to wowhead
oblique garnet
Its also on you
strong forum
Eh
oblique garnet
It also has no negative effect like gland
strong forum
No it's only on them
The +24 is only on them
Negative effect of gland doesn't exist
It has less than 1% uptime on its negative effect in real scenarios
So it might aswell not exist
oblique garnet
But it does exist and is quite noticeable especially on bursting weeks
strong forum
Which is the end of a pull where you're less likely to tank anyway
Because of stacks
So the debuff doesn't do jack
strong forum
Stats are better than trinkets that only do dumb ST dmg
blazing condor
Trinkets are made to give you cool effects or change up play. Stats are boring and found everywhere else
I mean theyre better sure
Im just against it in principle
oblique garnet
There isnt any interesting trinkets in SL
strong forum
^
blazing condor
Nop
jagged pier
class trinkets were cool depending on what spec u played
chrome falcon
i can't really think of any tank trinket that was like
woah omg this is so cool, the gameplay! woah!
soul cap was hilarious as guardian druid in HFC though
blazing condor
Coral was coolal
vernal vale
class trinkets were cool depending on what spec u played
Class trinkets off archimonde where tons of fun. Made gladiator dps even more button intensive.
hollow trellis
Are any of the raid trinkets must haves?
sweet summit
last tier? yeah
this tier? nah
hollow trellis
Yesterday I looted Elegy and Thoughtcage, no idea if theyre good
civic torrent
Flask from guldan
urban portal
i can't really think of any tank trinket that was like
aegis is kinda fun
craggy pilot
When do we get companion app vault 🤔🤔🤔
I have to wait an entire week to check vault 🙈
blazing condor
would be cool but idk how theyd manage that
dapper swift
Thoughts on adaptive armor fragment? Stopped using it for a bit to take Brutal vitality but just want to see other opinions on the two. running other standard conduits
blazing condor
unless it sent to your mailbox
blazing condor
Thoughts on adaptive armor fragment? Stopped using it for a bit to take Brutal v...
adaptive armor fragment is definitely gonna do you better than brutal vitality
brutal vitality doesn't really do much to begin with and with tier and all the incredible amounts of rage you generate you're gonna be spamming IP so much you're gonna cap it anyway
meaning brutal vitality loses even more value due to you just being able to hardcast IP
uncut notch
stop tryna ruin my jokes smh
Smh my head
vernal vale
the fucking balls
You could always add a macro that tells your party to hit the balls whenever you banner/avatar etc. It will only piss people off a lot but they might get the point.
jagged granite
any thoughts on the shield from first boss Sepulcher? got a 278 in vault..
jagged granite
Doesnt give any secondary stats tho
chrome falcon
it's a shield
jagged granite
yeah I guess you got a point
chrome falcon
and it gives you extra of your best defensive stat
vernal vale
yeah I guess you got a point
The block rating is good.
vernal vale
is it true that rings you want high vers
Haste, haste, and more haste.
vernal vale
Crit for damage
toxic pewter
haste and crit ?
vernal vale
Verse is mid ground for damage and defense
mighty cairn
crit mastery and pump
vernal vale
But you need a fuckload to get any value
Mastery is decent for offense and block value.
But mastery has 0 impact on magic
median tulip
Just equip as much Haste as possible and take whatever other stats come with it
vernal vale
^
median tulip
But mastery has 0 impact on magic
Not entirely true. Mastery increases your attack power, which makes your Ignore Pain bigger
mighty cairn
yeah mastery stack necro 4p prot gives the fattest ignore pains
vernal vale
Fair enough but it takes huge amounts to make it any meaningful size. As has been discussed if we didn't need to rage dump we wouldn't hardly press it.
toxic pewter
which of these 3 rings should I use
vernal vale
The ones that give you haste
median tulip
which of these 3 rings should I use
The ones with Haste on
toxic pewter
what about socket with haste and 278 ilvl
vernal vale
No strength so haste is better
median tulip
No Primary stat on jewellery
median tulip
Only as much as 16 Haste does
vernal vale
Sockets are a bonus not huge value.
toxic pewter
im dumb shouldnt of taken this ring from vault
urban portal
its 10 ilvls
toxic pewter
fuk
toxic pewter
does stamina have any value at all
vernal vale
Stam I less valuable than haste
median tulip
I use the Ritual Commander's Ring on Arms. It's basically my Arms Warrior's entire lifetime's supply of Vers in one slot
toxic pewter
I use the Ritual Commander's Ring on Arms. It's basically my Arms Warrior's enti...
Ok good to know
vernal vale
That rings not awful in reality just lower value for prot.
toxic pewter
I guess I overvalued the socket for some reason
vernal vale
Most do
median tulip
What you have to remember - and this is true of almost all classes and specs - is that as one stat increases, the other stats increase in marginal value
toxic pewter
I also thought vers was almost as good as haste... I guess with necrolord playstyle haste is just even more valuable than ever
median tulip
because the effect of secondaries is (effectively) multiplicative, so at a certain level it's always going to be best to have at least some of all of them
toxic pewter
because the effect of secondaries is (effectively) multiplicative, so at a certa...
Yes that is good point
median tulip
Vers is ok. I just wouldn't drop Haste for it
On Prot I'm kicking around with about 10%/5% Vers, compared to over 30% Haste
toxic pewter
honestly can blizzard ever balance all 4 stats? is it even possible?
or are they already balanced and yet some specs just benefit more from certain ones I guess?
chrome falcon
one of the stats literally does different stuff for every class so the idea of "balancing" the stats is kind of ridiculous
crit also does different stuff for every class
toxic pewter
I think they should tune each stat to every spec or is that just impossible to do
mighty valley
even if it was possible, would balancing the stats be good? that would literally mean that you don't care about anything other than ilvl, all gear is basically the same
median tulip
Yeah, crit value changes based on whether your class/spec does something interesting on crit
Or if you have a trinket that does same
toxic pewter
even if it was possible, would balancing the stats be good? that would literally...
Yeah that is a good point I suppose..
definitely begs more questions/issues