#protection
ebon geyser
vernal vale
Oh, that's right they where announcing a whole lot of. Nothing today.
Under the guise of being something
amber herald
scalies rise up
craggy pilot
well no dragon tank 😦
ebon geyser
Na we have enough tanks
jagged pier
it will be 1 path
ebon geyser
Get rid of DH. Shit class is taking up space
jagged pier
to claim them all
chilly brook
it will be 1 path
Not if they actually do what they said they were going to try to do which is disconnect the power and adding more utility based stuff
ebon geyser
Besides illidan was havoc
chilly brook
Plz bring old paladin back
ebon geyser
Plz bring old paladin back
Louder so they can hear you in the back
jagged pier
right is probably gunna be 1 path
wraith hemlock
Vault was kind to me
craggy pilot
🤔
livid dagger
What are our best trinkets for M+?
dawn canyon
aegis ows 
livid dagger
Over codex?
dawn canyon
aegis for sure not sure about ows
craggy pilot
aegis ows scale probably
codex is ok tank trinket, but it is better for DKs than for Warriors
craggy pilot
how often does it proc?
jagged pier
pretty often
vernal vale
It gets better the harder the content you do as well.
urban portal
its like 2/3rd effectiveness of a RDM
and does z dam
and gives stamina
that being said every other trinket just blows so much donkey balls
mighty cairn
chilly brook
u have to choose between it and incarn tho
jagged pier
jagged pier
doubt
vernal vale
My only dream is gladiator stance back.
chilly brook
My only dream is gladiator stance back.
Truuuueee
dawn canyon
wild hemlock
dude new expac looks so good to me
mighty valley
yeah I like the look of the zones and the idea of learning to fly over time looks cool
i'm always skeptical about talent systems like this not just being a zero-choice annoyance but
there's some hope
jagged pier
they literally announced nothing much
but cant wait for an envoker to full charge a breath
and i move mobs out of range
wild hemlock
still though. we will see how well they actually "listened" though
first expac ive been this excited for in a hot minute
vernal vale
and i move mobs out of range
Hunter wild spirits complain
jagged pier
well they didnt mention new systems, is that because they havent got any or they waiting for make them sound better 
wild hemlock
just looks like a solid "core game" improvement
vernal vale
We can already annoy dps
jagged pier
yer but its better when its a new class
robust rover
its a 10% Damage reduction
Does the 10% DR from Codex show up as healing under First Technique?
waxen orbit
they literally announced nothing much
Actually true
mighty valley
it seemed like they were pretty overwhelmingly messaging that they're doing talent revamp etc instead of an expansion system
waxen orbit
I'm fine with that but they didn't explicitly dispel the idea of a new system so
vernal vale
Oh, that's right they where announcing a whole lot of. Nothing today. Under the guise of Something.
urban portal
Does the 10% DR from Codex show up as healing under First Technique?
yeah it does
mighty valley
they said right off the bat "we've heard loud and clear that it feels bad to leave a bunch of stuff behind when a new expansion comes out"
civic torrent
I was gonna go back a rewatch that
How did they address that Harrow
I forgot what ion said
mighty valley
Oh, that's right they where announcing a whole lot of. Nothing today. Under the ...
the entire theme of the new expac, new race/class, zone reveals, professions revamp, talent revamp... i think for most normal wow players this is about as much as anyone was expecting to see today
mighty valley
I forgot what ion said
basically just said what i said right as they introduced the talent system
so the intent sounds v clear to me
civic torrent
Yeah looks like their moving their borrowed power systems into talents
And expanding that per xpac
vernal vale
the entire theme of the new expac, new race/class, zone reveals, professions rev...
Yeah, I wasn't expecting a lot. I'm just being cynical.
strong forum
glad to finally have the talent rework ive been asking for
but idk if i like the execution yet
will have to see
mighty valley
i just... this is quite a lot for an expansion reveal? what kind of stuff would've made you happy?
chilly brook
but idk if i like the execution yet
like all things
it sounds good
but execution is the key
livid dagger
What is the best way for Prot to handle explosives?
strong forum
let the healer do it
chilly brook
i just... this is quite a lot for an expansion reveal? what kind of stuff would'...
it's not really it's less than a normal blizzcon
strong forum
its a healer affix, not yours
chilly brook
Like we didn't see any dungeons or peeks at raids
strong forum
ever since they made explosives baseline 1shots, its become a healer job
nobody else unless he calls for help during hectic moments
chilly brook
usually there's more of a gameplay trailer
but honestly I'm not going to complain much
we're getting a lot of what we're asking for
chilly brook
NEVER showed gameplay stuff
?
strong forum
its always been the typical
"new zone, new level cap, new class/race"
never did it show actual gameplay
mighty valley
it's true that sometimes there's a tiny playable chunk at blizzcon so there's some stuff that comes out of that
strong forum
ya but its blizzcon
mighty valley
but we're further out than usual from release tbh
strong forum
a whole convention of multiple trailer releases and infos
mighty valley
and yeah it's not a blizzcon, so why would they rush something out for a video reveal
strong forum
this was just a few minutes reveal
like 1 panel
of the 30 you get on blizzcon
anybody who expected more from an "expansion reveal" missed the point
mighty valley
i don't even care at all to watch someone else play 2 mins of a zone or dungeon, tbh
chilly brook
never did it show actual gameplay
I distinctly remember playable portions being shown for both Legion AND BFA
in the quest zones
BFA was the swamp zone
Legion had DH stuff
strong forum
thats not expansion reveal
thats another panel
which we will extremely likely see in the upcoming days/weeks
chilly brook
Which is hand in hand at blizzcon
chilly brook
At the end of the day
it's not a huge deal
I think they hit what they needed to and now it's just "this sounds great, but show us the execution and please listen when we tell you some things don't work"
mighty valley
i think no release date basically just means "2023 but that's not exciting to say"
strong forum
well ofc
nobody expected a 2022 release
nobody who is in their right mind*
my prediction is Q3 2023
at the extreme best, Q2 2023
vernal vale
I think they hit what they needed to and now it's just "this sounds great, but s...
Execution will be the biggest thing.
vernal vale
my prediction is Q3 2023
I'm eith this prediction as we have our wierd SL season 4 coming still. Plus a prepatch timeframe
chilly brook
I think Q3 is likely
vernal vale
I think Wrath releasing in 2022
I'm debating playing wrath classic
strong forum
ya the announcement of S4 coming made me move my release date from q1 2023 to q3
chilly brook
I'm debating playing wrath classic
I will be
strong forum
i wont
strong forum
bro those dragons all look like warrior orderhall mount
chilly brook
Also although I like the way S4 sounds
I don't know if it would hold my attention much tbh
vernal vale
I started laying warrior in wrath is my only reasoning to play classic wrath
Go back and see if I'm still good. Lol
chilly brook
bro those dragons all look like warrior orderhall mount
The Wyvern looks cool tbh
vernal vale
I'm at work so no trailer for me until about 4pm pst another 6 hours from now.
strong forum
im curious to see our talent tree
see which interchangable spells we get for it
cuz the arrow slots are powerful spells to choose from
so probably banner vs X in 1 of the slots for us
strong forum
really?
strong forum
:susge
vernal vale
My only hope
chilly brook
but banner would be cool
strong forum
maybe it gets built in glory
vernal vale
I will main glad stance until the day I die if we get it back.
strong forum
and remove the group buff portion
chrome falcon
banner without glory is extremely weak but building glory into it would make a lot of sense
chilly brook
Also banner off GCD would be nice
frosty ridge
getting glory banner from the start is way too optimistic
vernal vale
They almost have to add glory to it going forward.
vernal vale
Otherwise it's low help
chrome falcon
make AM the first talent
chilly brook
yoooooo
uncut notch
I GOT ONE
strong forum
AM shouldnt be interchangable
vernal vale
Builds a cycle on good play as well through rage management
strong forum
it should be giga early in the tree
for an easy snag
100% pickrate
in the warrior tree
not the protection tree
prot tree can have dragon scales again tho
chrome falcon
^ that's what i'm saying
like
the problem they have
is they keep adding AM and it has to be viable at a base level
but then we get all our new shit that gives us more rage through the expansion
that makes AM even BETTER
then it becomes mandatory
strong forum
give
chrome falcon
so like
chrome falcon
just make it baseline and make it easier for balancing purposes
strong forum
THAT ISNT HR OR BOLSTER
THANK YOU
block is our main fucking thing
our MAIN THING
but we have 0 interaction with it besides reprisal ultra bandaid after the fact addition
and HR
punish doesnt count, dogshit talent
sweet summit
buff mastery
rich beacon
Like even pallys can block spells but the guys skilled enough to reflect a spell arent allowed to also block parts of them?
strong forum
you throw a potion on your shield
which reflects the spell
runs around with 300 potions at all times
vernal vale
Fuck devestator needs to be baseline now
We haven't moved off of it since it was added
urban portal
yes pls
vernal vale
Legion or whatever.
strong forum
we did move off of it in bfa
in all of BFA we played BV instead of Deva
unless for parsing
rich beacon
you throw a potion on your shield
Fine, then let the potion residue allow me to partially deflect/block spells
strong forum
and in legion we only started playing Deva after its buff because it gave +5 rage per AA
and now we play Deva because its the most rage gain cuz it competes with literally worthless talents
ocean yoke
fuck it make block a baseline thing where we always block and % of dmg reduction based on mastery or something
strong forum
fuck it make block a baseline thing where we always block and % of dmg reduction...
i just want to be able to reach 100% block uptime without external help
strong forum
devastate does like 2.5x the dmg of devastator proc and has 30% chance instead of 20% chance
but yes
honestly i think wed just stop using TC in ST/less than 3 targets
and exclusively use TC in aoe
and i dont mind that at all
strong forum
ya the new talent tree
vernal vale
Hmm
chilly brook
yea just trying to see if I can glean anything useful from it
strong forum
its alot of 1 pointers
vernal vale
Please don't be filled with bloat
chilly brook
wait
strong forum
only very few bloats
vernal vale
Gain 10 stamina to get to a better point. Is stupid annoying.
strong forum
you can get bash and typhoon
strong forum
extremely likely
vernal vale
Oh that would be fantastic
inland raft
Titan grip prot war and maybe ill reinstall
strong forum
i could see it
in the warrior tree
prot ish stuff in the middle
just enough for you to reach into fury
arms not being able to reach into it without sacrificing wayy to much
could make sense
vernal vale
Hmmn
vernal vale
Fury used to stance dance in pvp to spell reflect/shield wall.
vernal vale
So we could get some cool interactions if they brought stances back
inland raft
Kinda a reach but maybe stances come back as part of tree? Doubtful but hopium
vernal vale
I miss stance dancing.
strong forum
tbh
i miss it because of nostalgia
but in reality its just another macro
and like druid shapeshifting
inland raft
True
mighty valley
yeah three buttons instead of one to zerker rage wasn't really top tier gameplay
inland raft
Maybe a streamlined version where if press the skill it auto shifts stance etc
vernal vale
but in reality its just another macro
Yeah, it did seperate the good warriors from the average player too.
mighty valley
good warriors are very separate from average players right now, lol
chrome falcon
we're probably gonna get nelth's fury as like a mid tier talent
vernal vale
Its probably just nostalgia for me as someone who used to stance dance.
chrome falcon
based on literally nothing but a guess
ocean yoke
condemn pls as warrior talent
vernal vale
we're probably gonna get nelth's fury as like a mid tier talent
I wouldnt mind that if they made it worth pressing. I'd be afraid it will be wasted space.
Not wanting it to be too strong.
Hmm the more I look at that tree I'm thinking we could get some cool interactions in the warrior tree.
Recklessness for prot and the like.
chrome falcon
reck is not going to be in the warrior tree
they said it's a clear split between utility and throughput
real fossil
Some wonky set ups for pvp and m+ Incoming
vernal vale
they said it's a clear split between utility and throughput
I would argue recklessness is utility because rage generation but yeah fans not allowed.
I havent had a chance to actually watch stuff yet as I'm at work.
waxen orbit
I would argue recklessness is utility because rage generation but yeah fans not ...
Crit chance increase too
vernal vale
Crit chance increase too
I forgot about that part.
chilly brook
There is some cursed stuff that looks like it can happen
like balance
but they put points in feral stuff in the class tree
vernal vale
I'm sure there will be a million theory videos on YouTube by this evening.
strong forum
Reck will 100% be on the fury tree
Very early on
Same as rampage
Bladestorm/ravager however
That will be on warri tree
Same as dragon roar
Mortal strike will be the first talent on arms tree
vernal vale
I'm gonna sit in my corner and dream about glad stance.
strong forum
Normal or
chilly brook
I'm gonna sit in my corner and dream about glad stance.
1 of 7
strong forum
chilly brook
chilly brook
Oh we got our doge back
vernal vale
Mortal strike will be the first talent on arms tree
Cleave coming back maybe?
strong forum
Lowkey my favourite thjgn about the tree is gonna be loadouts
AND YOU CAN SHARE AND IMPORT THEM
SO WE CAN JUST PIN THE BEST ONES
AND DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS 3000 TIMES
blazing condor
Oh we got our doge back
vernal vale
AND YOU CAN SHARE AND IMPORT THEM
Instantly the best part
chilly brook
SO WE CAN JUST PIN THE BEST ONES
vernal vale
AND DON'T HAVE TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS 3000 TIMES
People will still ask. No one looks at the pins we have now.
chilly brook
Although I'm not gonna play warrior next xpac
I'm gonna be an OP dragon boi ranged DPS
blazing condor
vernal vale
I only play warrior.
chilly brook
jk
blazing condor
I have no idea what they even announced
chilly brook
I have no idea what they even announced
dragonflight
blazing condor
Pog
chilly brook
we going to dragon isles
chilly brook
we getting GW2 mounts, flying from the start
strong forum
Not interested in the ranged dps
chilly brook
we getting FFXIV professions
strong forum
Apparently the crafting system is 1-1 copied from FF
blazing condor
vernal vale
To be fair FF has good crafting
chilly brook
Apparently the crafting system is 1-1 copied from FF
minus the having to do button presses to play a mini game
minor helm
strong forum
chilly brook
we getting a new hero class that's dragon based with a healer spec and ranged DPS spec @blazing condor
we getting talent trees back
pretty much everything they told us I think
blazing condor
Coolio
vernal vale
My wife is gonna love the new class I'm sure.
chilly brook
no release date
vernal vale
Release date 2023
We are guessing q3 2023
Since they announced wrath classic for 2022
strong forum
I got convinced that it's actually gonna be q1/q2 2023
Cuz 9.2.5 ptr is already up in the works
So we gon have that in maybe 3/4 months
mighty valley
yeah i'm vaguely confident it's first half of the year
vernal vale
They have done raids for a year+ before. So we could be stuck in SoFO for a while.
waxen orbit
we getting a new hero class that's dragon based with a healer spec and ranged DP...
Evoker is for sure gonna be very burst playstyle
Holding down buttons to charge them up
chilly brook
it seems cool enough
vernal vale
Though maybe that's why they are doing season 4
strong forum
And just like that
vernal vale
Could lead to clipping your charge to optimize the shit. Could be cool.
vernal vale
All I wanna do is play around with the talent tree
Hopefully they take our feedback on it when the give it to us.
craggy harness
Shield slam… hold for more smash
craggy harness
That better not be Ion
odd tree
is 9.2.5 going to be s4? saw someone claiming this the other day
blazing condor
ebon geyser
Now I know what my mom feels about me looking at the new race... Disappointment
amber herald
now we have scalies and furries
mighty valley
i think it looks weird in the stills but looks good in motion
tropic linden
Deff gonna unsub after this season untill 10.0
ebon geyser
I was expecting something like wrathion where u turn into a dragon not a reskin worgen
tropic linden
New affix looks cool but not enticing enough to make me stick around
chilly brook
now we have scalies and furries
I don' mind the design of the race
but the faces are too soft
too humanoid
like make them harder please
amber herald
harder?
chilly brook
I don't want attractive furryized race
amber herald
chilly brook
it's a hard thing to quantify
the best way I can put it is the faces look like they got the worgen remodel treatment
vernal vale
The dragon faces should be ridged/jagged. Look more lizardlike.
craggy harness
I liked worgen snout for one reason, warlock mop challenge set
amber herald
11.0 waiting room
mighty valley
mighty valley
it makes sense that they've honed in on the common silhouette for each class
and this is a cool version of it
but wish we could get a bit more variety in silhouette
i guess we can always steal the non-tier variants for transmog
chilly brook
The dragon faces should be ridged/jagged. Look more lizardlike.
this
not the soft rounded look they have with this
also kalecgos changed for the worse
vernal vale
Ehh, at least this tier looks like actual plate for us. Hate when we seem to be wearing paper
mighty valley
my SL transmog had been the bandages + sweatpants lmao
vernal vale
I mean I used the brawlers guild set appearance for a long while minus that stupid helmet
I was also playing fury at the time though not prot.
chrome falcon
what are you talking about
that's not our tier
our tier is the one that looks like our tier from dragon soul
furthest left is clearly us
it's an upgraded dragon soul one
vernal vale
That would make sense lol. Reuse old assets with a coat of polish to make it seem new.
uncut notch
Jailer confirmed gigafun for prot warrior
strong forum
furthest left is clearly us
No it's not lol
That's envoker
It's too small for plate
uncut notch
Also yes deffo this
uncut notch
That boulder set is 100% warri
looks so similar to the current tier
smoky sparrow
how good is our 2 piece
strong forum
Very good
vernal vale
how good is our 2 piece
Very god
smoky sparrow
cool thansk
brave stirrup
are the affixes this week as scary as they sound?
strong forum
Don't tank raging mobs
mighty valley
bring rogue/druid for raging casters
strong forum
Hunter can also soothe
sweet summit
it's horrible lol
they removed it for a reason
then added it back in for no reason
eks dee
cinder nova
I just saw the new talents and oh my lordy
"How do we prevent players from being upset that we're turning base and core abilities into talents?"
Make it all talents.
I really hope that the new talents aren't bad.
strong forum
4 words
cinder nova
The idea of an entire tree being dedicated to the base class makes me wary.
strong forum
Titan grip warri tree
cinder nova
Doubt they'll be doing it like that.
strong forum
It could happen
cinder nova
Looked like you got spec tree + class tree. Some elements of your class tree are influenced by your spec.
uncut notch
Titan grip warri tree
PLEASE GOD let me use spear and shield
cinder nova
Given that TG is fury, doubt it.
uncut notch
please god
strong forum
1 thing that's for certain tho is bladestorm/ravager will be in warri tree
cinder nova
Maybe. Warrior isn't even demo'd so speculating is literally throwing shit into the void
chrome falcon
if you look at the structure of the druid tree
it's very hard to actually get spells from other "specs"
cinder nova
Yeah, like I said, we've had a few good rage engines these last few expansions from the way the trees work and how our abilities are setup.
vernal vale
Maybe. Warrior isn't even demo'd so speculating is literally throwing shit into ...
Throwing ahit into the void is all we can do to hope for our best class.
cinder nova
If this completely upends that we may have to say goodbye, but I really hope they haven't been ignoring the gameplay vectors of warrior (especially prot) these last few endagmes.
Because their high APM feedback loops is what makes them fun.
vernal vale
Stares in Gladiator Stance
90CPM
Pure joy.
Until they confirm it's not coming I'm gonna keep hoping.
sick sentinel
sturdy sable
Is legion time walking 2 weeks or 1?
vernal vale
about to hit my 50th votw clear
Here's hoping. My luck was not there at all.
vernal vale
Is legion time walking 2 weeks or 1?
Just one but Mattacate is EU
So he's in the past.
sturdy sable
Lucky bastard
vernal vale
Gets the same amount of time as we do in reality.
mighty valley
it'll be worth it when you think back on your good times with trinkets on your deathbed
hollow hill
What are you going for in there for that many attempts?
mighty valley
faulty countermeasure
vernal vale
What are you going for in there for that many attempts?
Countermeasure
brazen yarrow
brazen yarrow
im pretty sure deathwing stole it?
sturdy sable
The gave it to power the demon soul
brazen yarrow
and put it in a pancake
blazing condor
no they willingly gave it away when deathwing was defeated
brazen yarrow
wtf
blazing condor
the end cinematic
sturdy sable
Turning it into the dragon soul to lash out at deathwing
blazing condor
their eyes stopped glowing and shit
sturdy sable
Then they gave it away
sturdy sable
Why you playing slands then
brazen yarrow
mighty valley
didnt the dragon aspects give away their power
that's why there's no borrowed power
we hit up the dragons to borrow some power
"sry we're broke"
brazen yarrow
the borrowed power is gonna be flying
mighty valley
i mean they're still big lads who can fly breathe fire and shit, they're not useless
brazen yarrow
sorry i mean DRAGON RIDING
also the idea to hold a button and have it do diff stuff is terrible
mighty valley
it's pretty cool in dozens of other games
might be good here, might not be
what if we
try it
mighty valley
interesting way to live
brazen yarrow
i will go back to mop private servers for another expansion
vernal vale
it's just different
I remember Tera having a charge up system and being fun to play. Haven't played Tera in years though so yeah.
vernal vale
"LOL kung fu panda dead game"
The number of people who had no idea who Chen was and obviously never played WCIII drive me nuts.
mighty valley
wc3 was a decade old at that point
chen appeared in an optional long campaign not many people played
chrome falcon
attempt 52 incoming, my 6th consecutive attempt with 4 traders
vernal vale
chen appeared in an optional long campaign not many people played
Fair enough, I remember talking about Chen with people because it was such an interesting thing.
mighty valley
it was a little weird... the brewmaster hero appeared in one secret mission and just seemed like a joke character
then later they added that rexxar campaign and made him a little sidequest character, so he seemed more "real"
vernal vale
To be fair Rexxar is a way better character.
mighty valley
anyway i just want people to always remember than even for stuff that's beloved now, there have always been loud haters
don't really believe there was a "golden age" where the vocal community seemed happy
brave stirrup
Anyone of you warrior mains play any other tanks as an alt?
jagged pier
mighty valley
Anyone of you warrior mains play any other tanks as an alt?
i've dabbled in brew and bear in 9.1, played paladin briefly in bfa, and have leveled the others but that's it
vernal vale
Anyone of you warrior mains play any other tanks as an alt?
I have a bear purely foe the mage tower unlock.
grave crane
I have a bear purely foe the mage tower unlock.
same, then i played resto for pvp with it so that was kinda fun
brave stirrup
I just got my dk it’s 4pc as it’s my alt and it just feels broken.
grave crane
kinda want to level my DK and just see how that goes but im still having fun on warr so meh
brave stirrup
I find prot war more fun, but this dk is broken
Kinda surprised it hasn’t been toned down
fathom turtle
i think prot wari is the most fun tank specc
broken stratus
Our tier is balance, brew, dk, pala tier are broken is my feeling
chrome falcon
barely counts tbh
jagged pier
well there is nothing about player power mentioned there
chrome falcon
we always have rep
dawn canyon
Getting renown for other 3
strong forum
Unless you chose poorly and weren't kyrian all until 9.2
dawn canyon
That was the annoying one
strong forum
All I had to do was play the game every now and again for 2hrs a week
And then do zereth mortis as necro
80 on both with the least amount of effort possible
vernal vale
Fair enough.
vernal vale
Only renown I have left is vynthir which isn't worth my time.
Unless I decide I want cosmetics
strong forum
Zereth mortis campaign gets you from 40 to 80
Without anything else
You don't need homer or Eminem
dawn canyon
Just do necro
I wanna try venthyr fury in arena
strong forum
So you can skip that campaign
dawn canyon
Venthyr 2H sword is cool
Nothing good for prot imo
Shield this entire expac are largely bad
White NF shield is cool
strong forum
Sod ones aren't terrible
ebon geyser
Fml I need to see all this shit now when I get home
dawn canyon
Tarra shield > sylv shield
dawn canyon
Sylv one is rarer
U can also get it Guardian, right?
strong forum
Dragon race + class exclusive to each other
New talent tree is combination of classic talent tree + current talent selection + soulbind
That's all you need to know for now
ebon geyser
Dragon race u mean female worgen reskin
dawn canyon
Idk i like the customizable mount
strong forum
Haven't looked at them
dawn canyon
Imma change that mf weekly for tmog
strong forum
Adding new class is a mistake
ebon geyser
Instead of a shit class why not account wide shit
strong forum
I don't want reprisal
dawn canyon
Can prot wari channel make a wishlist and post it to forums
strong forum
Just give us achievable 100% block through playing well without sacrificing dmg for it
dawn canyon
Is this a viable strat
strong forum
Forums are a strat yes
chilly brook
Adding new class is a mistake
It's only a mistake if gigabroken or just bad
strong forum
But it's not the only strat
chilly brook
strong forum
It's only a mistake if gigabroken or just bad
It's a mistake because there are like 12 other specs that are very poorly designed or tuned
Adding 2 more isn't gonna help that
strong forum
It's not just a balance issue
chilly brook
they still probably would be uber slow to do anything
dawn canyon
Issa ranged
strong forum
Balance doesn't matter for shit
chilly brook
Also in fairness it's literally 1 dps spec 1 healing spec
strong forum
At the end of the day it's just numbers that matter in terms of balance
chilly brook
Wasnt it 2 dps 1 heal
no
strong forum
Dh is a mess of a class ever since it's been introduced
Identity issues like mad
Demo has identity issues
chilly brook
Dh is a mess of a class ever since it's been introduced
partially because half the class was the artifact weapon
chilly brook
Demo has identity issues
demo identity hasn't had any issues?
chilly brook
it's just not been the play for a lot of the rework period
strong forum
THAT'S WHY THEY GET REWORKED EVERY EXPANSION LOL
dawn canyon
Uh needs a rework
chilly brook
THAT'S WHY THEY GET REWORKED EVERY EXPANSION LOL
it's been the same since legion
strong forum
Legit hasn't
chilly brook
thalkiel's just got rolled into decon
strong forum
They legit reworked Demo every expansion prior to legion
Every single time
And they had to come up with something new because they took meta and gave it to dh
vernal vale
^
chilly brook
They legit reworked Demo every expansion prior to legion
I said since legion....
vernal vale
I miss demonology warlock glyph that let you tank.
strong forum
Still doesn't mean it doesn't have identity issues
chilly brook
3 expansions where it's been "hey I summon lots of pets to buff this big one"
strong forum
Buffing the big one has only been the thing cuz it's the strongest numerically
So it's just been alot of??? Here's alot of imps
chilly brook
That was the point of the rework
was to make you feel like a master summoner with an army of summons
is it boring?
yes
strong forum
Still a wildly meh spec cuz it's just meh
chilly brook
ret needs to go back to no holy power
strong forum
Arcane
chilly brook
it needs to have a system more like Enhance
strong forum
All troubled specs cuz they're poorly designed
chilly brook
crusader strike and divine storm on CDs
strong forum
Enhance was another one
heady gyro
strong forum
But the SL rework is great
chilly brook
bring back exorcism
strong forum
What about aoe
mighty valley
press one button on CD
strong forum
Divine storm spam is really really
mighty valley
that's gameplay baby
strong forum
Shit
chilly brook
oh
dawn canyon
Ret aoe is terra miserable if u put storm on a cd
Itd be fine if they keep necro gavel thing
strong forum
All they have is wake
dawn canyon
Which is a dope Cove spell
dawn canyon
Uncapped i thought
strong forum
That's they should've announced in xpac reveal
dawn canyon
No like it got uncapped
strong forum
Ret is giga hardcapped
dawn canyon
Already
distant crystal
divine intervention 🤞
chilly brook
maybe make divine storm and judgement interact similarly to storm strike/crash lightning
divine storm on a short ish CD
but allows your judgement to cleave and deal more damage per target hit
dawn canyon
I like currently ret with build spend
chilly brook
ez pz
dawn canyon
Not good but kinda fun during cds
strong forum
Isnt ret omega trash
chilly brook
ret is doing better than Fury
strong forum
Not omega trash but you know what I mean
If it did better than fury then why dont I hear anything about Rets ever
It's only frost dk and fury war
strong forum
It's so good they benched narcolies all tier even tho he had 4pc
chilly brook
it's performing good
strong forum
Would've been too easy
distant crystal
our ret almost quit the game
but we got him to reroll hunter and now he's thriving
median tulip
My guild had a Ret Pally in Nathria; she did top top DPS in there. Sadly she quit and went to play classic during SoD
strong forum
Ya I don't trust those tables at all
median tulip
I can't really say I blame her either; SoD was an awful raid
grave crane
arms warr on life support
chilly brook
Cuz warri is still wildly popular
battle shout, good early prog, rally, doesn't sacrifice anything to get aoe
strong forum
Shit is omega scuffed cuz alot of multitarget fights
cerulean wyvern
arms warr on life support
yeah....it's unfortunate they nerfed the original 2pc/4pc set bonuses
chilly brook
we were good before 2nd lego
but with everyone having 2 legos and full tier
warrior just isn't comparable
dawn canyon
Ret not good means Design
It's a bit dull being a builder spender
Could have a twist or something but doesnt
strong forum
Probably just sense
chilly brook
why is pwarr clapping so hard on lihuv
100% uptime on banner and you get to just slam
idk
strong forum
Go to 99th %
chilly brook
So is boomkin
boomkin overall damage is ass
strong forum
Overall boomkin dmg is ass yes, but they're still good in pure ST
distant crystal
entangle bitch
chilly brook
but they still retain the ability to have wild swings of damage to trivialize certain parts of encounters
strong forum
Exactly
dawn canyon
As long as % phasing is important venthyr boomer has a nieche
strong forum
Or dmg in a certain window
cerulean wyvern
how does Prot warrior DPS compare to the other tanks? When looking at logs, we're only above DH's
strong forum
Like arthas or Lords of dread
shell shale
What's this a chart of?
distant crystal
that's M Lihuvium dps but only 5 pwarr parses
strong forum
how does Prot warrior DPS compare to the other tanks? When looking at logs, we'...
Pwar is top 3
In tank dmg
dawn canyon
Good pwars do boatloads of dam
cerulean wyvern
what's a good fight to gauge for DPS? Skolex?
shell shale
Nice
dawn canyon
If ur close ur great
chilly brook
how does Prot warrior DPS compare to the other tanks? When looking at logs, we'...
Just some heroics and the first time I've done any of these fights as a tank but does this answer your question?
distant crystal
erm, your dmg relative to other prot warrs would prob not answer the question lol
chrome falcon
sir you're just flexing that you beat other prot warriors
mighty valley
we are all, of course, as good as sense
cerulean wyvern
yeah, I see that warrior is #3 on Skolex, but once you add in some AOE will drop to #4
chrome falcon
which i respect but
chilly brook
erm, your dmg relative to other prot warrs would prob not answer the question lo...
it also shows the damage tho
cerulean wyvern
vengeance DH is the lowest DPS
strong forum
Vdh is by far the lowest yes
dawn canyon
BDK cleave goes up to 5 so im assuming they win Pantheon
mighty valley
we're not the worst by some metric, we should rejoice
chilly brook
this tier has a bit of swinging around in terms of ideal tanks for damage
dawn canyon
Lmao gotta cancel out ww
strong forum
Pwar gets a bit more dmg from longer execute Windows
mighty valley
"accidentally" hit dps with mechanics right before going into execute
chilly brook
Vengeance has always had a damage issue
chilly brook
Vdh damage in s1 was bleh tbh
strong forum
Vdh was the worst tank in S1
dawn canyon
Im st
chilly brook
unless you were running paper build
dawn canyon
Cant really speak of tanking at that point
strong forum
And in raid they were only played cuz havoc sucked
dawn canyon
Tactical running
strong forum
Well they were good for m+ dmg in low keys
dawn canyon
I wonder what theyll do to bdk
strong forum
Until they kneecapped spb
chrome falcon
literally 10 straight hours of grinding it
dawn canyon
chrome falcon
58 kills
strong forum
This man has done more vaults than I've done m+ in s2+s3 combined
chrome falcon
i mean
chrome falcon
more than i did in s2+s3 too
i did more votw in the last 72 hours than all of legion
chilly brook
speaking of M+ I tried doing a 22 last night
chrome falcon
votw is now the key i've done most this expansion
chilly brook
Went fairly well up until the priest died and then I tried to reset
healer left
because apparently 18 minutes left on the timer on 2nd boss in Spires with lust available isn't enough time
🤡
strong forum
13min when going to the 3rd boss is quite tight on timer already
You need like 9min when you're going to the last 3 angles
chilly brook
13min when going to the 3rd boss is quite tight on timer already
killing boss and getting to third shouldn't be more than 4 minutes tbh
since you wo skip now
maybe I'm too optimistic
strong forum
It's defo doable
But if dps isn't on point last boss on 22 takes like 7min
Or some bullshit
Long ass cancer boss
chilly brook
last boss do be aids
blazing condor
i did a high SOA tyrannical and the man BL'd the last ad
the one that gets speared
lets just say pushing into intermission the 2nd time took like 4 minutes
strong forum
"New Talent - Anger Management
Every 10 rage spent reduces the Cooldown of Shield Wall, Avatar and extends Shield Block duration by 1second"
strong forum
I was trying to come up with a way to increase SB uptime through gameplay that isn't just reducing its CD
And without the dumb HR
blazing condor
wow players when their boss tells them to go to HR: 
vernal vale
Would make a great cycle that rewards good play.
strong forum
Just for the love of God don't make me choose between AM and anything else
Give me AM without losing other shit
chrome falcon
i will play AM over a superior talent
vernal vale
AM is just generally solid.
Spending rage rewards you. Thus you attempt to play better so you don't waste it. So on and so on.
scenic mural
I feel the return of glad warrior with the talents
mighty valley
whenever i start thinking about little tweaks for prot warrior i look at that sphere grid ass chart of talents and realize that a ton will probably change
who knows if we'll be in remotely the same paradigm as 9.0
vernal vale
I feel the return of glad warrior with the talents
My one and only hope.
mortal brook
gratz @oblique garnet
oblique garnet
vernal vale
who knows if we'll be in remotely the same paradigm as 9.0
I wouldnt be suprised if they give us some thing back but change how they work. Indomitable for example.
waxen orbit
mortal brook
I felt more deeply for a Watcher golem than i did for any shadowlands character
oblique garnet
I felt more deeply for a Watcher golem than i did for any shadowlands character
Ngl wow cinematic team is hard carry everytime
waxen orbit
Hard facts