Stance dancing to Intercept
#protection
median tulip
civic torrent
you can take em p easy
blazing condor
I use intervene as a DR with the conduit a lot
strong forum
Neat trick, you can intervene + SR first boss NW spit mechanic
blazing condor
In m+
strong forum
Anybody remember group SR legendary?
civic torrent
can intervene the hit from first boss SangyD too
strong forum
Me neither
strong forum
The charge?
civic torrent
ye
strong forum
chrome falcon
man the group SR legendary would fuck so hard if you had like a potency legendary and a finesse legendary
strong forum
That's been wanted since beta
chrome falcon
tanks especially have so many legendaries that are super cool utility
vs.... massive output/defensive increases
strong forum
Just give us utility legendaries and dmg legendaries as seperate categories, so many fun interactions just out the window
strong forum
25% group DR would be OP if it didn't compete with reprisal :)
strong forum
That's be the most disgusting thing ever
chrome falcon
I would hate that
strong forum
Raid wide 25% DR every 60sec
chrome falcon
because it'd be mandatory in raid
strong forum
That's beyond broken
urban portal
Anybody remember group SR legendary?
Apparently it's broken in pvp
The Sr affects 1 other guy
Like absurdly op
strong forum
That's a pvp talent
distant crystal
chrome falcon
no there's a legendary for it too
blazing condor
good times
chrome falcon
but it only affects one ally
toxic pewter
seen two prot warriors using the leggendary that gives 2 extra charges to heroic leap... am I missing something they know that I dont?
chrome falcon
no
distant crystal
all of the tank sets in DS were like that tho
distant crystal
the bear set gave frenzied regen to the whole raid
chrome falcon
well yeah that
distant crystal
it was insane
chrome falcon
or they're doing like +2 farms for speed
civic torrent
very useful 8s SR when it gets consumed when it reflects something
strong forum
but it only affects one ally
It used to be partywide
I forgot that they reduced it to 1 person and 60%
Ngl
chrome falcon
legendaries this expansion was just cringe as fuck in general
strong forum
Could've been so much more
toxic pewter
y blizz hate prot warr
strong forum
Same as conduits
strong forum
y blizz hate prot warr
They have no idea what to do with it
But this tier is a good indication of them getting something right
strong forum
Thing is, you gotta be unbiased
toxic pewter
true
civic torrent
ngl i kinda like the current playstyle which really rewards correct play
strong forum
Not as much as it should
toxic pewter
high apm warrior is so fun, i went back to kyrian for a second and i cant play it anymore
strong forum
Look at bdk, you can easily tell the difference between a good and a great bdk
The dps differences will be massive and they'll be borderline immortal
distant crystal
my body is ready for baseline reprisal
toxic pewter
I feel like prot warr lacks a niche or something we can do better than any other tank? I guess its ability to mitigate physical dmg?
but its sort of like waht the point when other tanks dont even need a healer lmao
civic torrent
Rally, BShout, Immune to Phys Damage, SR, Intervene
toxic pewter
yeah but all that can be done by a dps warrior
tbh
other tanks can do so much more and they dont even need a healer these days
civic torrent
could say the same thing about VDH i guess
toxic pewter
yeah thats true
toxic pewter
I agree its strong if you have 4pc
urban portal
I feel like prot warr lacks a niche or something we can do better than any other...
prot warrior is invincible against physical tank hits
look at top
savage flurry and brutal combo is so untankable for most tanks
on high keys
toxic pewter
ya that boss is easy as hell for prot
civic torrent
3rd boss SD too
toxic pewter
thats true as hell
urban portal
and for prot war its just shield block+something
strong forum
Top pwar is #11 tank in the world on rio
urban portal
shield block and ip
strong forum
Should tell you enough
toxic pewter
just tired of everyone shitting on prot warrior and wont even give them a chance tho I will be on twitch watching and these streamers constantly shit on prot
one said theyll never take one because they just 'fall over'
sick sentinel
Should tell you enough
i swear im too fucking dumb to know how to play a BDK but i want to
toxic pewter
Everyone says tank meta is best place its ever been? im like lol wtf
sick sentinel
deathstrike to 90% hp
strong forum
Tank meta was better last patch
But all tanks are great rn
Except bear is kinda yikes now
civic torrent
I think BDK is just S tier
toxic pewter
the greater wow community thinks there are 5 viable tanks currently.
civic torrent
and everything else is A or B tier
toxic pewter
prot warrior is in the cold
civic torrent
BDK is disgustingly good
strong forum
the greater wow community thinks there are 5 viable tanks currently.
Public perception was always shit
civic torrent
its the best parts of Prot War and Prot Pal
strong forum
It do be like that
civic torrent
Immune to physical and also heals insane
sick sentinel
DK + warrior + paladin instant win
blazing condor
Bdk are stupid good with 4p and jailer wep in the hands of a good player
civic torrent
^
toxic pewter
what makes the jailer weapon good
blazing condor
Effect 🙂
civic torrent
^
civic torrent
you reckon MDI will have any other tanks than BDK or Prot Pala
chrome falcon
dw though it's ok
strong forum
But you will 100% not see pally
civic torrent
yeah ofc
toxic pewter
its gonan be bdk and holy priests
sick sentinel
it's unholy more than frost or blood that fucks with my head
toxic pewter
every team will be the same
strong forum
Ofc every team will be the same lol
sick sentinel
i just cannot for the life of me understand UH
toxic pewter
a healthy meta is a game where every team is different
civic torrent
Theres literally no competitive video game like that is there
strong forum
Something like that is impossible
strong forum
There's always a clear and better comp
civic torrent
could you give me an example
toxic pewter
its called chess
blazing condor
And those that are different are ones where you counter pick
chilly brook
I wouldn’t say you don’t see that in any video game
strong forum
Where you don't have any variations whatsoever
civic torrent
This guy is trolling?
chilly brook
You do actually see a majority of operators at least have spots in the pro scene from time to time in R6
strong forum
There always is
chrome falcon
Is this guy playing a version of chess where you get to pick which pieces you put on the board
Yeah griff but the difference is that that's a pvp game with bans and asymmetry
chilly brook
Granted some obviously are picked almost always
urban portal
i go the -2pawn meta
chrome falcon
In wow you can just pick the same shit as the other team
chrome falcon
You can't compare mdi to actual pvp games
civic torrent
I'll take the Pawns in the center start strat
blazing condor
The cum gambit meta
chrome falcon
Because it's not pvp
blazing condor
E5 gang
urban portal
that too
chrome falcon
It's competitive pve which I think literally does not exist anywhere else
civic torrent
pog
urban portal
is R6 a draft?
chrome falcon
wow simp nomeratur
urban portal
or can you play mirror
chilly brook
Yeah griff but the difference is that that's a pvp game with bans and asymmetry
Yea and maps can be played in like 10 million different ways by opening floors and walls and playing vertically
chrome falcon
R6 has a draft yes
blazing condor
One king one queen meta - call it me and ur mom
urban portal
offense ops literally cannot play defense
chilly brook
is R6 a draft?
Pick ban
sick sentinel
i'll tell you the truth of why BDK struggles is because they have DS sure and infinity heals, but they have very long CDs on DRs and not very many, or good, DR CDs
urban portal
who care
sick sentinel
so, they get caught with pants down and go splat
chilly brook
2 offensive bans and 2 defensive bans and pick a map from a pool of 3
sick sentinel
BDK is usually always a good tank
urban portal
have you not dropped shield block for 1 second and get swung at for 30k
civic torrent
i'll tell you the truth of why BDK struggles is because they have DS sure and in...
Infinite DRW = Invincible to Phys
Insane RP gain = Invincible to Magic cos of DS
smiley
pastel siren
Is there a big difference between AM & HR?
sick sentinel
GFG = GG
chilly brook
Is there a big difference between AM & HR?
Yes
chilly brook
HR is trash
chrome falcon
HR is bad
sick sentinel
oh whats that you need caster mob out of sanguine? DG
civic torrent
HR builds bad habits which you shouldnt have when you have 2L4P
civic torrent
much less im sure
chilly brook
Yo @chrome falcon did you see those screenshots I posted yesterday?
pastel siren
Hmm okay, just was flipping through top prots on RIO and saw a mix of both
sick sentinel
BDK also sucks because it has next to no mobility
chrome falcon
the one about how you're a naughty boy who needs to learn to respect authoritah? yeah
sick sentinel
if your too late, you can't run out
chilly brook
the one about how you're a naughty boy who needs to learn to respect authoritah?...
Yea lmao
chrome falcon
@pastel siren that's because they're running keys where tanking 1 melee without block up is a death
civic torrent
Hmm okay, just was flipping through top prots on RIO and saw a mix of both
you'll see the biggest keys they run HR because any downtime of SB on normal trash usually means death
blazing condor
Hmm okay, just was flipping through top prots on RIO and saw a mix of both
Top prots usually play HR because they need to at that level. But id argue you could play AM at those keys now too
With 2l4p
sick sentinel
i liked playing HR while we got to
blazing condor
If you dont do top keys you dont play HR
steady lantern
is that the right way to show logs? it was live logs?
sick sentinel
i think HR is fun
civic torrent
@steady lantern is this for some reason, do you want some feedback?
blazing condor
Then play HR yogi nothings stopping you
uncut notch
If you dont do top keys you dont play HR
Define top keys pls
uncut notch
Okay cool
blazing condor
but maybe even higher than 25 now
civic torrent
Define top keys pls
25+ ye
blazing condor
Idk i know plka said he liked playing AM as well at higher levels but idrk what he said exactly
steady lantern
@civic torrentyes, i said earlier i felt my dps at 8.2-9.2k overall wasw low
chrome falcon
@steady lantern you're wasting quite a lot of rage, nearly 400 just from shield slam, slam more IPs
and you're probably pressing thunderclap too much
steady lantern
then some people asked for my logs, i didnt know how to log, so they gave me a link so hopefully that helps
chrome falcon
yeah you need to dump more rage into IP
and generate more by pressing SS more
(basically you need to press TC less because it's a stinky bad button that sucks)
your banner uptime is also reaaaaaaaally low
are you using outburst on TC?
steady lantern
man i felt like i ignored Tc for the most part.... not the case?
civic torrent
I think Nom said it on the podcast
good to think of prot warrior as a machine
spending rage fuels it
the more you can dump in
sick sentinel
mmm i think if i resub for end of shadowlands it will just be to simply get there is a venth shield mog i need bad
civic torrent
EVERYTHING runs better
chrome falcon
you also have very very low charge/intervene casts
civic torrent
literally everything
chrome falcon
9 intervenes over the entire dungeon
toxic pewter
starcraft
chrome falcon
intervene is literally a free mini shield block that GENERATES rage and gives you a free revenge with extra damage
you need to use it on cooldown
toxic pewter
that was a game with a healthy meta
chrome falcon
you cast 4 last stands in 36 minutes
last stand is one of your strongest cooldowns
chrome falcon
it generates an obscene amount of rage
urban portal
sick sentinel
but like, i don't even have wow installed or the blizzard thing logged on
chrome falcon
no you don't
urban portal
then press the button
chrome falcon
you weren't running unnerving focus in that key
when it's like one of our 3 best conduits
sick sentinel
i got app on my phone, just yeah, i dunno 100gb download and then all my addons are wiped out
civic torrent
it's honestly a small thing
chilly brook
Last stand is huge
toxic pewter
that wat she said
civic torrent
SS casts, rage wastedcd
chrome falcon
it's the reason his banner uptime is so awful
civic torrent
is way more important
chilly brook
But generally yes shield slam casts and wasted rage should be the focus
toxic pewter
ok
sick sentinel
yes, prot warrior depleted key is self inflicted by a million cuts
i'm the poster child of bad
chrome falcon
You wasted 100 rage of thunderclaps
That's 20 thunderclaps cast while you're 100 rage
toxic pewter
how do you see all this
chrome falcon
Just press IP to dump your rage
steady lantern
well thank you for analysis, key went really smooth but my performance could have been WAY better
will do
chrome falcon
Your dps is about 2k below where it could be with more SS/revenge casts and better banner uptime
civic torrent
The fact that you are looking to improve makes your mindset a lot better than others, use that to your advantage
toxic pewter
how much does 4pc effect banner uptime if you had to say
chilly brook
A lot
toxic pewter
that extra outburst
civic torrent
many
chilly brook
chilly brook
Pretty sure I had a key that was also like 85%
chilly brook
Logs are bad for tracking it tho
toxic pewter
what best way to track it
chilly brook
Since it’s the entire dungeon and not just the combat portion
toxic pewter
i thought that was just in combat
chilly brook
I’d just use details to watch uptime for banner
civic torrent
what key
chrome falcon
ok i might be a dumbass but when you're looking at blocked hits in logs
chrome falcon
which is the correct thing to hover over
chilly brook
which is the correct thing to hover over
Hits
chrome falcon
ok i thought so
blazing condor
I think i lose banner uptime cus i hold it sometimes if theres a big pack coming up after (with enough downtime between to lose banner). Dunno if its the play or nah
chilly brook
Ideally if playing Marileth you hit on CD
chrome falcon
unless there's a long wait between packs
like in spires
or ToP mage area
i just slam it
chilly brook
If playing heirmir you just hold until it falls off
But ye like Matta said sometimes you just hold because downtime after that pack
toxic pewter
is plaguedeviser still the go to soulbind
sick sentinel
spires i could run being tied to the ceiling naked with all kinds of noise going on around me
chrome falcon
i prefer marileth
sick sentinel
that dungeon to me is just so easy, outside of theres like 3 packs that scare me whole thing
chilly brook
I’ve been playing Marileth for most of my keys
I might go back and try heirmir again
See how much of an impact there is
sick sentinel
first one, because its s shit show, , and then theres the one you can combine before 2nd boss, and the one right after before 2nd boss you cc some times
other than, zero thought dungeon, slam it, kill shit
nothing remotely scary about that dungeon, don't like to fight the cleave robot boss, but sure whatever
blazing condor
Soa is piss easy on tyrannical
chilly brook
blazing condor
The bosses if you have the damage are a cakewalk
urban portal
hate it on tyr as dps
chilly brook
Sheeeessh
urban portal
attenuated barrage is too powerful
chilly brook
I was pumping revenge
sick sentinel
first boss tyranical can make you go splat if you are bad or not paying attention
chilly brook
first boss tyranical can make you go splat if you are bad or not paying attentio...
That’s like all bosses
sick sentinel
that boss especially so
chilly brook
trynical birdo link says otherwise lol
Don’t walk into the beam
oblique garnet
The link only does damage if you stand between them
chilly brook
Wait for bird to move
urban portal
dying to lines is a brain issue
chilly brook
You move off axis
civic torrent
Legit skill issue
chilly brook
And then charge to bird
sick sentinel
Don’t walk into the beam
yeah, well, i found out pretty quick anyways,
chilly brook
You keep them stacked
And your dps is happy
Plus you’re getting to exploit your Lego
toxic pewter
whats the verdict on viscous trail vs undulating maneuvers
chilly brook
whats the verdict on viscous trail vs undulating maneuvers
Doesn’t matter
blazing condor
2 charges then you can hold her still and she flirs up
chilly brook
You go either way
It depends on if you want 3rd endurance or if you want to run rally conduit
Neither is wrong
sick sentinel
i just not fan of first boss soa cuz its like, you have to avoid birdo beam, birdo shotgun, placing cleave on group, and then spears from above on group
chilly brook
What cleave
civic torrent
bro what is going on
sick sentinel
she does a cleave that 1 shots group
sick sentinel
well not 1 shot but it hurts
chilly brook
That hasn’t been a cleave since early s1
civic torrent
It only hits the tank bud
lofty widget
that was changed like week 2
blazing condor
Yep can confirm
toxic pewter
it hits hard
blazing condor
Just the balls that kill
urban portal
press shield block
blazing condor
Unless you got mit gap
toxic pewter
it will 1 shot a demon hunter without mitigation up
chrome falcon
that fight was fucking stupid when that cleave was actually a cleave
sick sentinel
i swore to god she did like a black cone cleave attack
civic torrent
All you have to do it leap past the bird, hope you bait the frontal so your dps dont have to deal with it, and dodge the bird balls otherwise
civic torrent
thats the whole fight
chrome falcon
for like a month
chilly brook
It’s literally not a cleave
chrome falcon
then they realised that was retarded and changed it
blazing condor
Differently abled* :- )
chilly brook
It only hits you
chilly brook
Differently abled* :- )
Ah yes a slightly different way of saying the same thing
distant crystal
when it was a cleave you could like leap out to avoid it too right
civic torrent
this guy is definitely trolling right
chilly brook
when it was a cleave you could like leap out to avoid it too right
Yea
You used to be able to out range it
Didn’t even need to leap
civic torrent
when it was a cleave you could like leap out to avoid it too right
I miss dodging the bleed frontal in sanguine with intervene
distant crystal
yeah ppl still rage at me for "hitting" them with that
chilly brook
It was a double hit
Iirc
And ranging removed one portion which was the magic iirc
sick sentinel
it would have been the healer yelling at me cuz i intervene them and then spear goes out and they die to that
distant crystal
I swear I still can sometimes line the statue guy's bleed in SD
blazing condor
Dps who took the hit instead: 
sick sentinel
or perhaps i made the beam too long, i think the idea is to place her close to birdo
distant crystal
or maybe i'm just natural dodging or something cause it doesn't always work lol
civic torrent
you can parry and dodge the bleed hit
blazing condor
Yep
chilly brook
or perhaps i made the beam too long, i think the idea is to place her close to b...
Ideally yes you rank them on top of each other so your group can cleave
They share health
blazing condor
You can also light barrier it
chilly brook
So no reason to not cleave
Like I said
Let the bird go relocate
Then charge
Easy stack
blazing condor
tldr just keep them together
sick sentinel
i normally let it fire 1 volley so i'm not charging into 2 + darts
chilly brook
i normally let it fire 1 volley so i'm not charging into 2 + darts
You shouldn’t need to
You can literally charge before it even rotates to start the volleys
chilly brook
^^
blazing condor
You either got turtle reflexes or play on 0 fps
sick sentinel
some times it feels like the bosses do nothing, like 7 casts and then next time same scenario but it feels like they do 30 attacks
blazing condor
Then you play on 1 million ping
sick sentinel
well, i guess we get to see more about the new expansion tomorrow
sick sentinel
whats that saying though? nobody likes/trusts a rat?
blazing condor
Griff (Ratt)
chilly brook
Griff (Ratt)
uncut notch
Bounding stride (goated talent) comes in very handy
blazing condor
BS gang
sick sentinel
im going off topic but how come druid can't shape shift mouse/racoon
blazing condor
CT gang cringe
blazing condor
Not enough cheese or trash in the game to justify it
chilly brook
CT was always cringe
sick sentinel
are you crazy there is entire shops dedicated to selling cheese in wow
chilly brook
People used to rave about it in BFA
uncut notch
People used to rave about it in BFA
Wasn’t tc giga dam in BFA tho
(Idk I wasn’t there)
Just hear people complaining about prot TC spamming to top of meters
chilly brook
Wasn’t tc giga dam in BFA tho
Yea but there was like almost 0 times where CT actually made a difference in your ability to hit all the mobs
uncut notch
Yea but there was like almost 0 times where CT actually made a difference in you...
I think it’s just like, spell good -> more of good spell more gooder
chilly brook
Yea but it was legit largely irrelevant
uncut notch
Like it is today lmaooooooooo
chilly brook
Just run Bounding Stride
lofty widget
so is bounding tho
sick sentinel
uncut notch
so is bounding tho
Objectively terrible take
blazing condor
Not. enough. cheese.
chilly brook
so is bounding tho
Nah
vernal vale
Bounding js usefull beyond combat. Always good
chilly brook
I use heroic leap so much
lofty widget
when do you ever need to leap every 30 seconds?
chilly brook
when do you ever need to leap every 30 seconds?
Every dungeon
blazing condor
When i wanna charge or get anywhere
uncut notch
when do you ever need to leap every 30 seconds?
I need to leap every 25 seconds
uncut notch
It’s so useful in halls for example
sturdy sable
You don't leap on cd?
blazing condor
Its good on 3rd boss in PF
uncut notch
Chaining massive pulls
vernal vale
when do you ever need to leap every 30 seconds?
I leap to pull my next pack all the time.
blazing condor
You can leap > charge to get the mobs in
uncut notch
Its good on 3rd boss in PF
2 and 3
chilly brook
Leap is super good rn running banner
uncut notch
You can leap > charge to get the mobs in
That midair charge
lofty widget
but pulls last longer than 45 seconds in the keys im doing, maybe thats it
uncut notch
Erotic
oblique garnet
CT gang cringe
’Tis treason then
vernal vale
Leap into charge range hit charge and start the next pull
chilly brook
but pulls last longer than 45 seconds in the keys im doing, maybe thats it
You’re not already moving onto the next pack when things are low?
oblique garnet
uncut notch
but pulls last longer than 45 seconds in the keys im doing, maybe thats it
It’s just handy, the range bonus of CT is largely useless
The leap bonus is clutch at all times
chilly brook
This is still going on?
The age old chicken or egg debate
lofty widget
theyre both terrible talents imo
sick sentinel
This is still going on?
prot, prot never changes
vernal vale
This is still going on?
We have nothing better to talk about
uncut notch
theyre both terrible talents imo
Also wrong
oblique garnet
$rename @blazing condor Goodstuffe
true pawnBOT
Done.
uncut notch
They’re the only meaningful choice on our tree
chrome falcon
we've already had our hourly "tell someone they need to stop wasting so much rage and press intervene more" log breakdown
sturdy sable
theyre both terrible talents imo
Nonono you die on your hill no changing of opinions now
chrome falcon
so it's back to talent debate
jagged pier
$rename <@!186864948343865344> Goodstuffe
chilly brook
There’s nothing terrible about a movement speed increase and being able to leap more often
urban portal
Focus macro a melee
chilly brook
$rename <@!186864948343865344> Goodstuffe
Why would you do this?
lofty widget
at the end of the day, neither talent is gonna enable you to do anything that the other wont
urban portal
Macro intervene into revenge
sturdy sable
Ez
uncut notch
at the end of the day, neither talent is gonna enable you to do anything that th...
Also wrong
I can leap every 30 seconds
lofty widget
give me one example
blazing condor
$rename <@!186864948343865344> Goodstuffe
Wtf 
sturdy sable
at the end of the day, neither talent is gonna enable you to do anything that th...
1 definitely lets me leap way more odten then the other
lofty widget
where it actually matters for anything
sturdy sable
So that's one thing
chrome falcon
i just got used to playing bounding during questing/casual stuff/raiding and it's just hard to live without now
sick sentinel
Focus macro a melee
this works exceptionally well if you train someone in discord on voice with you
chilly brook
Wtf <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Rip the doge
oblique garnet
Wtf <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Casualty of talent war
sick sentinel
so they stand at place when your interven is ready
vernal vale
i just got used to playing bounding during questing/casual stuff/raiding and it'...
Bounding movement adds up to a lot of saved time in all content.
blazing condor
Talent these nuts
uncut notch
Bounding movement adds up to a lot of saved time in all content.
It’s just better
Objectively
vernal vale
Yeah
lofty widget
except it doesnt
uncut notch
If something is outside of tc range charge it
blazing condor
CT doesnt do anything tho. The slow is irrelevant and the radius is a non-issue
vernal vale
If you add that movement bonus to running through covenant hall, old content, chain pulling . It's a lot of saved time
cinder nova
You're not even pressing TC that much. Like, your TC casts should halve with 4p
sick sentinel
banner leaper, change to green orc and name your self bruce
lofty widget
bounding doesnt do anything tho. the speed is irrelevant and the cd is a non-issue
sick sentinel
becom literal hulk
cinder nova
What noid would put fucking talents into our least-used rotational.
chilly brook
bounding doesnt do anything tho. the speed is irrelevant and the cd is a non-iss...
I wouldn’t say the speed is irrelevant
It helps with grouping in big pulls
blazing condor
Fuck it i’m gonna spec menace
sick sentinel
it helps with you can do a jump and then you just have 3 seconds of MS
lofty widget
except the mobs are still slow and usually within heroic throw range
chilly brook
Not always
blazing condor
Agree to disagree the talents dont even matter
People can play what they want
Etc etc etc
oblique garnet
Amen
chilly brook
Wo speed is huge in Ardenweald first pull for example
chilly brook
Agree to disagree the talents dont even matter
Basically
cinder nova
Bound > CT anyone who thinks otherwise has wrong opinions
uncut notch
except the mobs are still slow and usually within heroic throw range
Youre clearly on the wrong side of the fence here bud, I'd suggest you leap over but I see youre still on CD.
lofty widget
Wo speed is huge in Ardenweald first pull for example
except it's not, you cahrge the first pack, and everything else is in heroic throw range
oblique garnet
Someone with high player skill can play w/e talents and perform on the same level as the average reprisal enjoyer
chilly brook
except it's not, you cahrge the first pack, and everything else is in heroic thr...
Not if it’s patted?
lofty widget
yes
uncut notch
except it's not, you cahrge the first pack, and everything else is in heroic thr...
calling bs on this
chilly brook
And I grab like 4-5 packs
lofty widget
yes if you do 5 packs
cinder nova
Yeah do you not pull all of Ard straight to urn?
blazing condor
I dont do that 🙂
uncut notch
Straight to urn and then kite up the hill
chilly brook
The pack that pats down the mid can and usually is more than 30 yards away
lofty widget
i dont, and neither do you
cinder nova
Can't do it on every week
oblique garnet
I mean you can technically pull all of ardenweald in a single pull with just 2 heroic throws
blazing condor
I usually just pull like normal. 4 pack > birds, elks and spriggans > go urn with whatever
oblique garnet
Just let the hatchling cried go through
chilly brook
I know exactly what you’re suggesting
blazing condor
Pull both sides so you can skip mechagon
cinder nova
Is that a real thing?
lofty widget
but like i said, neither talent is gonna prevent youfrom doing anything so its whatever
play whichever talent you prefer
oblique garnet
Is that a real thing? <:keks:936231610850897992>
Yes very much so
cinder nova
What's the route for skipping mek
chilly brook
What's the route for skipping mek
Wo on the mob outside of mechgon
uncut notch
What's the route for skipping mek
Wo everything up to manastorms
kill literally EVERYTHING in arden
done
chilly brook
Skip literally all the way to manastorms
oblique garnet
In theory the pull is really easy to execute with a frost mage
cinder nova
Even that shitty miniboss?
oblique garnet
as tank only needs to tank matriarchs
sturdy sable
kill literally EVERYTHING in arden
Yeah you get 56% in ard ita glorious
cinder nova
Someone link me a MDT of htis
chilly brook
Since you have to kill the pack when you leave
cinder nova
I gotta go finish getting dressed so I can get home and actually play WoW again
uncut notch
I’ve only tried this route once and end up scratching around for % in Arden
chilly brook
Just skip the dental boi on the way out
uncut notch
But it was deffo easier
vernal vale
Everytime I wo mechagon someone dies to the slimes
chilly brook
honestly wo skips go hard in DoS
chilly brook
Everytime I wo mechagon someone dies to the slimes
engineer
uncut notch
honestly wo skips go hard in DoS
Even just the pure travel time
chilly brook
you're tolling if you don't
vernal vale
If they dont die to slimes they die to the bridge crossing
Most definitely lol
uncut notch
If they dont die to slimes they die to the bridge crossing
Another great use for bounding stride
chilly brook
the terrain catching your character is too troll to try doing wo skip without engineer
odd tree
Tank CR is so clutch
So many keys saved, super clutch
sick sentinel
who was it that did an angry react to my video jake probably
oblique garnet
You get through with leap refardless
oblique garnet
No
vernal vale
My workbreak is over make sure there's something good to read in another 2 hours when I get to lunch. Hahaha
blazing condor
cant we all just get along
We should just take our talents in stride instead of letting it all crackle down on us
sick sentinel
crackle kills, your chances of timing the key
uncut notch
Wish I could run leaper 😦
chilly brook
We should just take our talents in stride instead of letting it all crackle down...
if you were a dog I'd give you a crown for that poetry
uncut notch
It’s very funny seeing warriors run it in WSG and killing them because they left their entire team behind
mighty valley
it was great in the WSG brawl where you didn't have to care about your own flag
oblique garnet
$rename @blazing condor A Dog with A Crown
true pawnBOT
Done.
oblique garnet
We should just take our talents in stride instead of letting it all crackle down...
This was truly magnificent
chrome falcon
yep
latent pier
I just like how they were so afraid of prot being god tier again, meanwhile blood dk has everything except mobility going for it.
Like 70% parry or some shit on top of infinite resources and actually godly self healing.
oblique garnet
They dont know 
lime sluice
need help with torghast layer 4. got to level 4 solo but couldn't do it. Im 264 4 set warrior fury
chrome falcon
you may wish to inquire in the fury channel in that case
uncut notch
Tried running bounding stride?
iron ravine
yo quick question, if you use this trinket, how many buffs do you wanna get?
or is it bad for prot warr
chrome falcon
it's bad
blazing condor
my character is currently on death row
i drank one of those zanzil potions that will kill me in 7 days
my discipline aint the strongest. I read the flavor text on the potion that says "yo if u drink this ur totes gonna die soon" and i'm like "hm... ima drink this"
hopefully it lines up with a m+ dungeon so i can int big time
uncut notch
my discipline aint the strongest. I read the flavor text on the potion that says...
Holy fuck where can I get like 600 of these
I wanna wipe out my guild
It’s time to bring out the airmax and drink that kool-aid
blazing condor
i bought mine in org from a shady dealer hiding under the stairs at that place where you got the pvp battlemasters
and warrior trainr
mighty valley
yo quick question, if you use this trinket, how many buffs do you wanna get?
fun to use in farm content where you're not at risk of death, just pile on the buffs
but wouldn't use it in anything real
chilly brook
i drank one of those zanzil potions that will kill me in 7 days
I'm going to get these for my friend who is just starting
blazing condor
yeah lol
gentle finch
Anyone thought out using jailer 2hander as prot to get the buff and then switch back to shield? Or does it for sure fall off if you swap off ? I know it does that for trinkets but….
mighty valley
pretty sure they don't let anything like that happen any more
blazing condor
fun detected
mighty valley
tbh i'm lazy so i'm glad
gentle finch
Inb4 rextroy
minor helm
Anyone thought out using jailer 2hander as prot to get the buff and then switch ...
Buff falls off if you swap it off
blazing condor
2h prot pog
sturdy sable
2h and a shield
blazing condor
titans grip
glacial grove
2h and a shield
There was a thread a long time ago, where this 2h/shield-thing was an idea for a talent 😄
strong forum
blazing condor
green bear
blazing condor
💃 🕺 💣
oblique garnet
crab rave time
Where stream
oblique garnet
@jagged pier sorry no cant watch one of your raiders has the fucking namnam weakaura
jagged pier
that is true
blazing condor
we had a lock with nam nam + some furry owo wall of text for summons
west walrus
@jagged pier When do you kill the crab so we can go in a 5 prot warr key ?
jagged pier
like 6 weeks from now
west walrus
🥺
jagged pier
u also have to wait for nome and mwahi
uncut notch
<@!179993058186625025> sorry no cant watch one of your raiders has the fucking n...
ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
My fav one is "Im hungry and depressed"
"Now just depressed"
ebon geyser
When asmongold want a debate with game director or whatever from wow.. lol bruh stfu
U are a clown in the community
mighty valley
i swear i've told youtube like five times to stop recommending him
and he keeps popping back up
chilly brook
U are a clown in the community
he has legit takes tho
Like some of them sure I don't agree with but generally he's kinda a good compass of the community
ebon geyser
he has legit takes tho
Like what? Mofo get carried for everything or given shit
chilly brook
Like what? Mofo get carried for everything or given shit
not sure what that has to do with his actual insight into the game systems
ebon geyser
Idk I always gonna see him like a clown
ebon geyser
not sure what that has to do with his actual insight into the game systems
He can't give game imput if he don't really play it.
chilly brook
ebon geyser
I mean he can talk on the casual aspec
Player housing
Everything account bound
Etc
chilly brook
anyone who thinks he's only a clown and a meme literally doesn't watch his content
ebon geyser
We need more QoL
chilly brook
Asmon is a character, but him (being Zach) is generally very intelligent
chilly brook
that's why i don't watch his content lol
ebon geyser
If I wanna see clowns and meme I go to brm lounge
mighty valley
his takes are the same as every forum meme
chilly brook
I don't generally agree with his higher level takes as far as high end pve is concerned
distant crystal
He stares at his chat while making hot takes
ebon geyser
Blizzard don't listen to world first raiders IMAGINE listen to him
Agree
His chat is like league of legends cesspool
dawn canyon
Asmongold has played enough wow to have reasonable takes about it
dawn canyon
Yes
ebon geyser
Asmongold has played enough wow to have reasonable takes about it
Me too if u wanna put it in how much wow have I played
chilly brook
but even then he's not always fr off the mark
chilly brook
The remove mythic take sucks
I actually don't have a problem with this
there are at the end of the day too many difficulties
strong bloom
hey guys i have just gotten scars of fraternal strife trink from tw box do i use it on cd until i reach the 4 buffs or just use on cd all the time?
chilly brook
and while I enjoy mythic raiding
chilly brook
I don't enjoy beating my head against a wall for 5 weeks because 2 ranged andy's in my group can't learn how to kick
dawn canyon
(not mine)
mighty valley
yeah everything he's saying in this video is the same repetitive shit everyone echoes
ebon geyser
Now that tier is craftable
chilly brook
I generally think the game would be healthier if there were only 2 raid difficulties
ebon geyser
I can ignore lfr
dawn canyon
Normal and long dick/hard mode
ebon geyser
I want 10 man's again
dawn canyon
But if it's were just 2 the second needs to be actually hard
ebon geyser
For this small casual guilds
jagged pier
I want 10 man's again
game cant be balanced around that tho
chilly brook
But if it's were just 2 the second needs to be actually hard
ehhhh
While I don't personally believe mythic is too difficult
I almost kinda think it is
dawn canyon
Well if you stop at heroic rwf dies
chilly brook
just based on the average player
dawn canyon
And i love rwf
chilly brook
in an ideal world
dawn canyon
Yes the average player wont ever get to do the content
ebon geyser
game cant be balanced around that tho
I know just saying I miss that 10 man
dawn canyon
Which is a waste
chilly brook
they just make a mythic difficulty that's nothing but prestige
¯_(ツ)_/¯
but that's ideal
won't happen
dawn canyon
Stuff like mythic aegis isnt good for gam
I am eternally fucked if i dont play that content
chilly brook
honestly I'd be fine with sacrificing RWF if it meant a better game
dawn canyon
So if m+ andies could get those pieces
ebon geyser
But fuck that RL and group was toxic
dawn canyon
Itd be Okayge
ebon geyser
Thicc boi
ebon geyser
I just toopicky
chilly brook
We'll see if I have the patience for CE again this tier
ebon geyser
Yes Nielsen and kill him out of the group
chilly brook
But honestly, I'm already annoyed at being at like 70 pulls on Pantheon
craggy pilot
Yes Nielsen and kill him out of the group
what do you do with the explosion one then?
ebon geyser
I just think I'm old or I'm looking at the wrong guilds @chilly brook
ebon geyser
I'm picky I keep getting this groups that don't run shit in house and I don't like pugging
Way to many bad experience
I like a guild that we do stuff as a group
Raids mythic plus teaching for my dumb ass
brave stirrup
God damn vengeance feels horrible to play(imo)
dry spear
Do you guys got the jailer chain trinket? Do you play with it. It looks interesting
chrome falcon
it's dogshit
craggy pilot
@ebon geyser so would you kill the explosive add, or the aoe shield add before they spawn? 🤔
ebon geyser
U can kill the rock dude that knockback
ebon geyser
And then dps the shit out of the shield guy and pull him out at like 5%
And kill him out
craggy pilot
And then dps the shit out of the shield guy and pull him out at like 5%
ohhh he does the shield in the end?
chrome falcon
no
ebon geyser
No
chrome falcon
idk why you'd pull him out
and if you try to pull him out at 5% he'll die before he moves at all
you just kill one fixate add and CC the other
ebon geyser
Look idk what my ppl are doing
Why I stop raiding
And gearing my warrior
And paladin
chrome falcon
you might want to avoid answering people's questions about raiding then
mighty valley
i'm mad that griff made me watch this entire asmongold video
waiting the entire time for an interesting insight
"i think they should focus on making the game more fun"
thanks man
ebon geyser
Lmao
craggy pilot
you might want to avoid answering people's questions about raiding then
but were not supposed to ever kill the 3rd rock guy then? the boss should die before the 3rd add phase?
chrome falcon
this late into the patch? yeah kinda
craggy pilot
what about early in the patch? did people always kill it before 3rd add phase?
chrome falcon
can't remember
craggy pilot
so if we get 3rd phase, its DPS lack, or people standing in stuff giving boss too much energy, got it 🙂
craggy pilot
doesnt triggering the stars give the boss energy?
so more people standing on stars give boss energy faster, and triggers the add phase?
oblique garnet
Im pretty sure you still kill 3 adds
oblique garnet
1st add you kill is bottom left
jagged pier
u do 3 sets of adds in mythic
oblique garnet
You kill 2 in the first intermission
jagged pier
so u can kill 3 adds
chrome falcon
right but he means on HC and i don't really think you should get 3 add sets in HC anymore but
you just cc the fixates
or kill them out of the group if you really have to
but yeah idk where you heard that standing on motes gives the boss energy
but that's super fake lol
craggy pilot
that's super made up right that's not a thing at all
ah ok, just heard this from someone in LFR i think or something
frail grail
Gentlemen, how do I hit for 60k shield slam, or is it just a myth? :))
chrome falcon
press your buttons
outburst avatar shield block demo shout pot trinket hits for about 66k for me
and banner
jagged pier
your highest was 53k on skolex matta
dusky sentinel
frail grail
outburst avatar shield block demo shout pot trinket hits for about 66k for me
whats outburst?
frail grail
aha
frail grail
thank you Matta :))
frail grail
I got 30k non crit
chrome falcon
big slammers
frail grail
dunno if lego is important even?
mighty valley
i'm guessing all the big pvp clipshows are on clothies
frail grail
maybe..
pale roost
The new Sepulcher of the First Ones Tier Set bonuses are strong, but the optimal playstyle requires a huge amount of key presses compared to other tanks. This high APM playstyle can be overwhelming for less-experienced players -- and even for seasoned pros. In other words: it's stressful on your wrists. Just use Ignore Pain IRL. from wowhead summery. what do they mean with only use ignore pain IRL?
chrome falcon
it's a joke
jagged pier
its a joke
strong forum
Press F to Ignore Pain
cinder storm
Press ignore pain to ignore pain
pale roost
ah sry dident know it was a jk. so we use that alot then 🙂
am just trying it out. couse we need a tank. atleast i have 4set 🙂
hardy ridge
Yes u use it so much that u need to use it in real life aswell bc ur wrists will hurt if ur keybind is bad :p
pale roost
ah 😛
is that coouse we get so much rage with the set =)?
couse*
sweet. gonna be fun to try out tanking 😄
mental scarab
But raid tanking is super boring dho
blazing condor
only fun part about it is parsing and trying to get the good colors
odd tree
Definitely fun, high cpm, plus maintaining banner is its own mini-game.
shell shale
maintaining banner reminds me of old spriest a bit (old main)
urban portal
Do you guys got the jailer chain trinket? Do you play with it. It looks interest...
the chain isnt too bad
it plays into reprisal style anyways
its just that can you put enough damage st to fully stack the chain
low kindle
first boss of Mist, could've been a little bigger if I had str pot up
torpid junco
which m plus shield is the best?
subcreation is saying the heavy mastery one.... seems odd isnt mastery our worst?
urban portal
dont look at subcreation
they just have the highest ilvl
and you just take hte highest ilvl shield
doesnt matter
chilly brook
which m plus shield is the best?
subcreation is saying the heavy mastery one.......
ideally haste/vers or haste/crit
doesn't matter though you pick the max ilvl shield
urban portal
shields give like z stats
craggy pilot
why is tanking 15s so much fun
3rd boss Sanguine i did almost entire boss alone
but even without those 2.2mil dmg i did on 3rd boss, im still most dmging in entire +15 SD
mage+DH was 2380+ r.io
craggy pilot
skill issues, but 2380 rio 😄
i love it
fuck r.io system man
oh mage is even 2680 r.io 😄
ebon geyser
fuck r.io system man
louder for the ppl in the back
dawn canyon
Idk it's cool but i cba doing all the dungeons
Probably just gna get mount n dip
Still missing 2 dung completely + half on their respective weeks
ruby locust
Question between kyrian and necro for keys what is better ? Same with raid where I’ll be using the wall more then reprisal until I’m super comfortable with everything
dawn canyon
Do you have tier
ruby locust
And any great add ons / weakaruas that can help the learning curve of tanking would be appreciated I’ve not tanked much this expansion and yes I have 4set
dawn canyon
Imo necrolord with 4 set is fun
As for weakauras id just get something tracking my Shieldblock and showing me my spells
Add ons its a good idea to have mdt for count and dbm/bigwigs for Boss mechanics
Taunt swaps etc
ruby locust
I’ve been using dbm but the taunt things almost seem delayed
dawn canyon
I personally dont like how dbm tells you what to do
So i use bigwigs
Which just says ie "beam"
On halondrus
agile pumice
The dbm voice is funny because it sounds like she says "special cumming"
vernal vale
Man I forgot what looking for a guild could be like as a tank/melee mid tier.
ruby locust
Man I forgot what looking for a guild could be like as a tank/melee mid tier.
It’s a pain
vernal vale
i'm actually not going to get countermeasure
I havent seen it drop in about 40 low key runs.
chrome falcon
i did 5 runs with 4 traders earlier and didn't see it once
vernal vale
Limited time gear that's BiS is such a garbage thing.
urban portal
Iamgine being rogue