protection

[uncut notch]

The parse picture is just erotic

[trim bay]

hey guys. i have read the pins. i generally just do keys but have found my self raiding heroic and the first couple of bosses on mythic. im still kyrian. for raid should i be necro?

[uncut notch]

I found necro a little tame with 2pc but transformative with 4pc

I switched from kyrian and loathe going back

Despite the fact spear is fucking brilliant

[trim bay]

ok. ill give it a try. no spear is going to be strange

[sick sentinel]

i have 254 gear and i cant time m10+ :c

in what way?

bad groups? cant survive?

[dawn canyon]

damage should be there

[sick sentinel]

i have the same group with my friends

so survivability?

not being able to time certain level of keys

can be due to

a million reasons

I can't get used to playing with the legendary

reprisal?

yep

u will get used to it

dw

[dawn canyon]

charge into pull and add intervene on your weakaura

[sick sentinel]

hum

and the covenant?

[sick sentinel]

^

i play with kyrian

[dawn canyon]

seems fine for a 10

[sick sentinel]

doesnt nf provide better survivability and cc?

[dawn canyon]

both work just fine

[sick sentinel]

i mean it shouldnt matter for a 10

but might make it easier idk

nf is good

rage regen and aoe damage

my group have a monk healer

is good with warrior?

[chilly brook]

ok stop

there is no factor from a class standpoint that is going to prevent you from timing keys

It's either your play or your groups play

or both

[sick sentinel]

hum

[dawn canyon]

if you want some more detailed feedback

make a log of your next run

[chilly brook]

^

we can't address a problem if we can't see it

[sick sentinel]

how make a log?

im new player :c

[dawn canyon]

.

this goes over it excellently

[chilly brook]

#protection message

[sick sentinel]

[chilly brook]

you beat me to it

[dawn canyon]

[chilly brook]

big sadge

I parsed a 98 and 3 99s

[sick sentinel]

nice

[chilly brook]

and then 1 91

Although it was Lords so kinda scuffed if you don't end the fight after a swarm

[dawn canyon]

oh btw what dungeon did you do

and was there mobs you struggled with

[sick sentinel]

https://raider.io/characters/us/azralon/Kharkara

my profile

[dawn canyon]

trinkets could be better

[sick sentinel]

yep

i cant drop in DoS :c

[dawn canyon]

haha yea its rough sometimes

im sure you'll get something nice soon

[sick sentinel]

NF is better then kyrian to survive?

[urban portal]

about hte same

[dawn canyon]

its not the covenant being "wrong" thats killing you

[chilly brook]

you can play without a covenant

[sick sentinel]

hum

[dawn canyon]

you gotta press your buttons

[sick sentinel]

safe

i try again

[dawn canyon]

go again and do better

[urban portal]

That's called venthyr

[chilly brook]

[sick sentinel]

kkkk

venthyr is funy with arms

[dawn canyon]

it is fun but not ideal

[sick sentinel]

i play arms in pvp

venthyr is so good pvp

[dawn canyon]

not really

but its alright

[urban portal]

If you say so

No one plays venth in pvp anymore

You either do some funny shit like necrolord

Or play kyrian

[chrome falcon]

You can time 10s at 254 without a covenant like people have said, unless your group is just giga awful

All you need to do is press shield slam and keep block up

[urban portal]

Try macroing shield block into shield slam

2 birds 1 stone

[chrome falcon]

What talents are you running

[sick sentinel]

is anger management or Heavy Repercussions better for M+?

[chrome falcon]

AM

[sick sentinel]

#protection message

[chrome falcon]

For the last 6 months or so

[sick sentinel]

my profile

[chrome falcon]

My guy

Why are you running bolster

God when you said you couldn’t time a 10 I was going to meme that you were running bolster but I didn’t think it would come true

[sick sentinel]

:c

[chrome falcon]

Play AM or if you’re incredibly new you could play HR

But AM is better

[sick sentinel]

ok

[dawn canyon]

if you have questions about specific dungeon pulls/mob groups we can also help

for example every now and then people ask for advice for the inner ring of dos

[sick sentinel]

ok ty for help ❤️

[dawn canyon]

hope you report back with a log so we can help further

[chrome falcon]

Press shield block and everything will go fine

[sick sentinel]

shield block is my religion

[chrome falcon]

Well if you can’t time 10s you might be lacking faith, but playing literally anything other than bolster might help

[strange lintel]

is it me or the 4set feels kinda meh for strictly tanking compared to other tank class 4sets

[sick sentinel]

MDT is good?

to use

[tulip kelp]

What’s M+ tier list looking like?

[sick sentinel]

to understand pulls?

[tulip kelp]

DH or Prot War better?

[dawn canyon]

fuck tierlists

proper play>>>

[dawn canyon]

yes its very useful

[sick sentinel]

where can i find good routes to import?

[dawn canyon]

im no major mdt user but im p sure you can ask for "anyone got a route for X dung" here and get something playable

[tulip kelp]

What’s case time play Prot war over others?

Case to

Feels like not as much healing or utility or damage as other tanks

[dawn canyon]

prot warrior currently has a wonderful playstyle and heavily rewards mastery

the healing is fine and into physical heavy pulls you are immensely tanky

also damage is fine

[tulip kelp]

Gambit felt shit so many casters

Really wish we had more ways to silence or group shit up

[dawn canyon]

it does everything youd want, however some tanks do certain stuff better

well you can shockwave

or ask dps for actual kicks

[reef rock]

Shockwave / Bastion into Int. shout

[tulip kelp]

Not stacking haste then?

[dawn canyon]

thats not what i meant 🤣

mastering the spec

not mastery the spec

[reef rock]

He meant playing it properly has high rewards* not stat prio

[tulip kelp]

Oh lol

[dawn canyon]

still all haste balls to the wall

[tulip kelp]

Maybe will feel better if I can get better shield and 1 hander

Got 252 / 236 atm

[dawn canyon]

also if in doubt the yellows and other wonderful actually good tanks here can check a log and see if there's room for improvement

[tulip kelp]

Can I log a mythic?

And if so which is a good one? Only place I’m tanking

[dawn canyon]

any honestly

[dawn canyon]

yup works just like for raid

[obtuse monolith]

Modest upgrade, but you can get a 249 shield for relatively few conquest points. Just do the PvP weeklies for solo shuffle. Don’t even have to win, just play a few rounds

[tulip kelp]

249 feelsbad

I've done almost 20 ToPs and 0 shields

[cinder nova]

Imagine not having 278 wep/shield by week two

[tulip kelp]

At least vault maxed

[gleaming pecan]

I know that all tanks are really close, prot warrior is more than capable of getting ksm correct?

[tulip kelp]

I have 278 2handers

[cinder nova]

Tank with em no balls

[vocal geode]

Anyone can get ksm

[gleaming pecan]

I’m learning that it isn’t as hard as I’m making it out to be ha

[urban portal]

I'm fairly sure it's possible to get ksm without a tank

Like playing 4 dps

[vocal geode]

For sure

Didnt they just time a 19 sd with 5 warrs even

[gleaming pecan]

Double legendary and necrolord is fine right?

Or is kyrian best

[vocal geode]

Necro good but kyr pumps more dam for sure

Necro if you wanna boost group dam

[mighty egret]

necro with set

[gleaming pecan]

Im just 49 renown kyrian but 80 necro

[mighty egret]

is really good

[gleaming pecan]

Just seeing if I’ll be fine

Unity on belt snd what’s slot/legendary for other

I don’t have two for the unity memoey yet

Rep not two

[obtuse monolith]

Most of us have reprisal on legs but I think we can craft on feet too so it doesn’t conflict with tier. Unity could be helm or waist or ring

Just don’t take up two tier slots

[gleaming pecan]

Okay awesome. Thanks

[scenic mural]

Nobody plays necro for the group buff. And played well it does more dam than kyrian

Especially on ST

[cinder nova]

Wrong-o.

M+ kyr is only marginally ahead and you give up tons on survival.

ST you just do miles more as NL

[cinder nova]

You shouldn't be using Rep on legs, no idea who told you most, most are boots.

[tulip kelp]

Unity bracers okay?

[urban portal]

Ye

[maiden ravine]

bleh, don't have the badges for aegis transmog

hah, weekly gave me first sigil

nice 28% vers

[tulip kelp]

252 tho? Seems kinda ass

[ebon geyser]

Still good at 252

[limpid pawn]

got a question for lihuvim

the tank combo, i only see the first ability casted

is this an elvui bug?

or is that normal

[maiden ravine]

my warrior is an alt, so it was an ilvl upgrade

[ebon geyser]

Probably I don't get notifications with my wa either

Shit I didn't even knew he had a combo

[obtuse monolith]

Have it on legs from the last year of SL, not that legs is optimal now

Boots were shard slot in 9.1

[cinder nova]

🤔 ...why? We've had literal weeks to remake them. Most people should've had 291 when it was first available and double 291 W5

I dunno if you're still using legs from S2 you're inting at this point

Or just poor

Which is still inting, gold is goofy easy to get

[ionic fern]

Im using legs.

:(

[cinder nova]

Mwahi confirmed inting

[ionic fern]

True

[cinder nova]

Aren't you sitting out SL

[obtuse monolith]

End of the day you still want either helm chest or legs 291 for max stats. Makes sense for Unity helm now in my book but you’re 90% there with legs in theory

[cinder nova]

Wrong again.

Helm/Boots is bis.

Helm gives socket, chest doesn't.

[obtuse monolith]

Literally what I said

[cinder nova]

You said helm, chest, or legs.

That's two of three slots that you don't want it in.

Like ???

[obtuse monolith]

Helm is free socket but you can still socket any helm

[cinder nova]

Yeah, but no other helm is 291.

[obtuse monolith]

Doesn’t give you more than 16 either way

[cinder nova]

Ideally you're remaking it to whatever slot isn't disrupting your current 4p configuration until you get chest/shoulders/legs/hands and then you build it helm/boots for the rest of eternity.

And unless you were SUPREMELY unlucky (I know a few in here) you should have enough pieces that this week and next week CC can get you ideal configs.

So there's almost no reason to be building anything but helm this late.

...almost.

[obtuse monolith]

100%

Get tier shoulders & chest from CC next week and set for helm Lego forever

[mighty valley]

given that ilvl isn't the thing holding 99% of players back from anything they're trying to do i don't blame anyone for chilling on a suboptimal leggo setup

i'm still using the free unity belt lol

[urban portal]

me too

[cinder nova]

It's not holding anyone back, but it's still just lowballing. Imagine people jacking off instead of getting a BIS weapon hammered out if it was grindable/craftable.

Unless I knew a raider was full-on just toon-swapped or coming back after a hiatus I'd just dumpster anyone in a PUG I saw without one.

Gotta play with folks as sweaty as you these days to enjoy the game.

[ionic fern]

Not entirely.

I'm still playing..just not doing as much things as before.

[cinder nova]

Mwahi is the #protection equivalent of that number cruncher from Moneyball.

I'm actually dreading the dogshit that Prot will feel like when all this borrowed power eventually flatlines in 10.0

[urban portal]

imagine blood

blood is entirely held up by borrowed power rn

OWS

4set

gavel

[cinder nova]

Huge oof. You're right. Our DK brothers are going to fall the hardest. Hats off, press F

[urban portal]

vdh too

[mighty valley]

have you tried jacking off. pretty good ngl

i don't pug with people so i don't have to deal with anyone's weird expectations

"your damage is 0.3% lower than it could be if you grinded for a day so we're not going to play with you"

[ionic fern]

Tbh.
I do trash damage in current patch standards and people still tell me "wow, so good damage".

Just lets you know how horrible/low peoples expectations are.

😂

On the plus side..i will finally get my 4p next week.

[mighty valley]

yeah, I do regularly beat a couple of my casual guild's dps in heroic, I'm not shaming anyone

Mwahi deserves 4 piece

Enjoy

[ionic fern]

Now i just need to level up NL from 48.

[ionic fern]

[cinder nova]

I don't feel like asking someone to - at best - spend 15 minutes making a run to the AH and then the Runecarver to bang out BIS legendaries is asking a lot.

[ionic fern]

I'm still using 262 Legendaries.

👀

Damn i'm horrible.

😦

[mighty valley]

Plus 120k gold, plus it's only actually good if you've gotten tier in the right places, plus it's like a negligible dps increase

[cinder nova]

And yeah, that's a precedent I'd use to eliminate someone from raid. If they can't be fucked to do even that much while the rest of the group is at least trying to get 4 to 5 GV slots a week it's basically a carry.

[ionic fern]

What if that person out performs everyone else?

[cinder nova]

I don't wanna raid with people that can't be fucked to do the bare minimum of "play the game."

Then we have a problem with the rest of our group in a serious way. When we address that we can loop back to less important problems.

[ionic fern]

👍

[cinder nova]

It's not even rocket science, manage your raid bottlenecks.

[ionic fern]

Ya

Don't raid.

Noobs.

[cinder nova]

kek

[ionic fern]

[cinder nova]

Raiding is for suckers.

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[cinder nova]

Imagine grinding gear to grind gear.

What a hamster wheel.

[ionic fern]

SHEEPLE I TELL YOU.

[mighty valley]

raiding is pretty cool when you do it with people you actually like

weird

[vernal vale]

^

[ionic fern]

That's a lie.

[vernal vale]

I miss my old raid team

[cinder nova]

It can be the best raid moments and the absolute worst.

[vernal vale]

They all quit though.

[ionic fern]

I get tilted too much while waiting for DPS'ers to understand that "big puddle = bad".

[cinder nova]

I've just let my eyes glass over and I go on autopilot until they figure it out.

The worst offender was the 100+ pulls on M HD.

[ionic fern]

Nah, i can't do that.

😂

[cinder nova]

Literally 100% blocked hits.

I perfected my rotation defensively so much I just mentally checked out while I waited for the raid to sort their shit out.

[ionic fern]

Wait

Wait

Wait

What.

DEFENSIVELY?

What's wrong with you.

YOu raid as a tank to DPS.

[cinder nova]

Hold your water, one sec.

[ionic fern]

[cinder nova]

I still beat 3 of our DPS.

M CN was my worst parse tier though. Only one 99.

The rest are 98 x2, 97, 93, 90.

It was a low point.

[mighty valley]

i won an emmy during castle nathria

that was pretty cool

[cinder nova]

A what? 🤔

[mighty valley]

the emmy awards for artistic and technical merit in the television industry

[cinder nova]

Is that like a college thing?

[mighty valley]

no

[cinder nova]

Oh, well - grats. You sound stoked.

[blazing condor]

Bruh you out here doing actual stuff and getting Awards

Why play with us losers

[ionic fern]

Hypocrite

[blazing condor]

Im just a bigger loser wym

[tame jasper]

seems to be boring in the waiting room @ionic fern ;D

[ionic fern]

Well, no.

I'm playing Broodwars and LA.

[tame jasper]

😉

I think I will try Necro today 🙈

giving up my Kyrian 😦

[ionic fern]

Enjoy.

Mine's now..48 Renown.

[blazing condor]

I got 80 yesterday finally

[tame jasper]

Iam 80 since months, leveled it up at start of 9.1

[blazing condor]

Chad

[tame jasper]

but feeling comftable with kyrian

but seems like necro pumps more in m+ :/

feelds somehow bad

esp as nightfae is needed for at least 2 raid enccoutner too ( @ionic fern Your moment! 😄 )

[ionic fern]

Imagine raiding.

Got'em.

[blazing condor]

Good thing there really isnt a reason to raid this tier

No real good loot and tier can be aquired elsewhere

[tame jasper]

yes from these points not really achieveable

and almost all bosses are quite boring too. mechanic wise

[blazing condor]

Raiding is fun if you enjoy the people you raid with and can progress in a reasonable pace

[mighty valley]

Beautifully said

[blazing condor]

Also what did u work on

[mighty valley]

an animated show

[blazing condor]

https://tenor.com/view/frodo-keep-your-secrets-alright-then-lotr-gif-12907121

[mighty valley]

trying not to get doxxed by the protection warrior discord

[ionic fern]

Imagine a perfect raid team where everyone had a similar skill level. 😦

[ionic fern]

We are polite as hell.

[languid carbon]

Happy Easter y'all! :) You recently mentioned a protwarrior podcast but I can't seem to find it... /sadface

[blazing condor]

Check the pins!

[blazing condor]

Damn i was close. Maybe next time

[ionic fern]

^

Or..search->"Podcast"->Scroll down 2 times.

[blazing condor]

If only

[ionic fern]

Jeah, 10% super skilled people, 50% more or less OK people, 40% trash.

[blazing condor]

Easy

Its funny ive never really been part of a good raiding guild

Nor have i ever been high ranked in m+

[ionic fern]

I used to be in a m+ team. 😦

[blazing condor]

Still im out here thinking i can be hot shit with nothing to back it up

[ionic fern]

Best time i had in WoW.

[blazing condor]

Its fun

But its kinda the same there

I have a 5 stack i play with but theyre not really good enough for the real keys

[ionic fern]

😦

We had 5 people with similar skill and we were pushing and messing around.

Super fun.

[blazing condor]

maybe next time

[pallid musk]

Yeah, its fun when ppl Messing around and want push high

Now om sitter on 17 with 2+ in prot. Defensive is ok and overall damage i’m cringe 😬

[languid carbon]

Found it, thank you @blazing condor

[pallid musk]

6-7K overall with NL is cringe 😬

[blazing condor]

How many tier pieces you got?

[pallid musk]

4pc so yes i got fully on NL / AM Avatar

[ionic fern]

Šomething's fishy.

My bet is a ton of wasted rage.

[blazing condor]

Yeah with 4p u really should be doing more

10k+ probably

[ionic fern]

I did keys with 2p yesterday, oh boy did i mess up.

Like 500 wasted rage. 😂

[blazing condor]

It took a while getting into it for me

Not used to spamming ip that much

Especially now that bv gives rage and ss gives more rage

Out here doing math homework in keys

[ionic fern]

Jep.
I haven't even swapped to BV yet.

[jagged pier]

i actually swapped back to bsc yesterday for a few dungeons

didnt really make a difference

[blazing condor]

Might try that too

Dont really feel like the BV rage is needed for banner uptime

But i just do what the cool yellow names say

[civic torrent]

very pog buffs

[blazing condor]

ToP?

[civic torrent]

yeah ofc

haha

[dusky sentinel]

What hits for 95k?

[ionic fern]

Scythe.

The last boss.

[strange lintel]

how do you have enough rage to use execute

[civic torrent]

Stop wasting rage on ip during execute

[ionic fern]

Easiest thing ever:
If enemy health < 20% then Execute instead of Revenge/IP.

[civic torrent]

Yessir

[strange lintel]

what do you suggest i macro execute with. cuz honestly i dont have enough buttons for one reason or the other

[civic torrent]

I use 3 personally

[blazing condor]

If you dont run bsc whens the breakoff point for execute vs revenge on multiple mobs?

[civic torrent]

3+ for revenge doing more dam

Consider using E,F,G,C,R, M4 and M5 for other keybinds

Even Tilde

[ionic fern]

Don't macro with anything.

Just get a separate keybind. Get rid of useless crap or create a new one.

[blazing condor]

My execute is on alt + a

[ionic fern]

Ctrl+w

[blazing condor]

As whacky as my binds are i dont have anything bound with Ctrl

Its either shift or Alt

[ionic fern]

👀

I don't have alt.

I got ctrl and shift.

My thumb is too busy pressing spacebar to uselessly jump.

So i can't use it for alt.

[blazing condor]

You know theres a good cure for that

[strange lintel]

remove thumb

[blazing condor]

Use thumb on alt 😎

[ionic fern]

No.

Jumping > anything else.

[blazing condor]

Siegebreaker hates him

[ionic fern]

Everyone hates me.

[blazing condor]

I dont hate you 😦

Ur a cool bean

[jagged pier]

boost please

[ionic fern]

That's not me.

That's Goodstuffe.

Ask him.

I'm a filthy casual.

[jagged pier]

then he can boost me

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

I can boost you in +5's if you want.

[mental scarab]

Trying oUt necro now and We are tankier right with necro then kyr/nf or ?

[blazing condor]

Yep

Kyr/nf is more offensive and necro more defensive

[mental scarab]

My overall dps and snap aggro is lower dho

[blazing condor]

Yep

[mental scarab]

Miss that when my DH and fire mage pops of

[blazing condor]

Spear was nice in that regard

[mental scarab]

Yea

Same with AA

But times 20 spire and mist last night first 20 in shadowlands

[ionic fern]

Going big.

[blazing condor]

Cant wait to do fort keys next week and only get like 7 points a dungeon

[ionic fern]

Fort/Raging/Explosive

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

Scratch that

0 points a dungeon

[mental scarab]

Raging in halls and dos

[blazing condor]

At least rogues and hunter are pretty meta

Im sure theyll soothe

[ionic fern]

[mental scarab]

Pffffffddddddd

🦧🦧🦧

[ionic fern]

Pretty sure 90% of them don't know they have soothe.

[mental scarab]

Next week is kyr week run in pop all you got and then run like a maniac

[blazing condor]

I thought Shiv just drew a card

The wicked bolts next week are gonna hit different

[ionic fern]

Just

Reflect.

[blazing condor]

Did a halls with 0 interrupts yesterday

Was fun picking up ads that spawned, running around trying to get casters in when they were free casting in sanguine

As well as trying to make the shard not get stuck in puddles either

[ionic fern]

132 casts.

😂

[mental scarab]

Jesös 🤣

Like the 19 halls We tried and puged a frost mage i did more boss dmg then him and he was always bottom dps on trash… 3k player

Never dispelled a thing

Butt pulled random mobs

Then left when We wiped on second boss with 27k hp left

[ionic fern]

Sounds like a trash tank.

[blazing condor]

Healer problem

Gotta love echelon

”Aint no better place to stand than directly in the middle”
-every ranged and healer ever

[mental scarab]

@ionic fern Weow

Im trash master

Pls

[humble tendon]

i idid 2 runs with my alt yesterday nw and mists and interrupts were like

[ionic fern]

You're a paladin tho.

So it doesn't count.

[blazing condor]

Pink class shilling not allowed

[humble tendon]

what u mean?when 3 members of group have zero interrupts that counts as problem

i mean with my warrior with such a group in Hoa or Dos its a problem

[blazing condor]

There is literally zero excuse not to interrupt. That shit is off gcd

Just press it

[ionic fern]

I was memeing because you're a paladin complaining in a warrior discord about interrupts while you have like 5x more interrupts by yourself than us.

Nothing else.

😂

[brittle owl]

valid honestly

[raw carbon]

So I've seen this before but, is it still possible to spell reflect VG's ball form when he rolls out of his socket?

[lofty widget]

no, it's fixed

[blazing condor]

Oracle

I hope they do cus i spent 3 hours not getting invited yesterday

[ionic fern]

I hope my worries of getting declined from a weekly 15 are over now that i'm 2k.

[wary lantern]

you wish

[ionic fern]

Like a good SF once said:

[wary lantern]

coming back after a break and cant help myself thinking that i am hurting myself with playing prot 😄

[blazing condor]

[ionic fern]

That's dumb.

Well, in the sense that you're getting declined from keys because "But prot bad"..yes.

[strange lintel]

" finally ksm now I won't get decli ed "

[wary lantern]

i mean, all i keep listening from ppl i used to play with is that nobody wants to inv prot 😄

[strange lintel]

Declined intensifies

[ionic fern]

It's worth it tho once they accept you and you slap everyone in DPS while taking "meh" damage and they go "WOAH, PROT GOOD?!?!?"

[ionic fern]

That's cause people are stupid.

[jagged pier]

[wary lantern]

but i still love prot 😄

[ionic fern]

Did you ever get into a key?

😂

[jagged pier]

in the end yes

[strange lintel]

So I love nf prot but everyone looks at me weird. Em I just weird? Something about the knockdown

[ionic fern]

NF/Kyrian/NL are all solid options when it comes to M+.

[blazing condor]

They’re just jealous of you, king

Nf prot is cool

[strange lintel]

Being able to lock down all casting for seconds feel so good

[wary lantern]

i started necro

shrug

[strange lintel]

Mb I'll try Necro. Did max the cov thinking it was Gona be the thing this patch....never used it

[ionic fern]

Well, NL is the "thing" if you're looking to min-max with 4p & double legendaries.

Especially in raid.

And it's also extremely solid in m+.

[pallid musk]

Yeah rage waste with outbrust when i want have SB up for extra dam

That can be a thing but i always press IP at 80 rage

[ionic fern]

You pretty much have to spam IP at certain times when you got 4p.

[blazing condor]

You even do it with 2p at times more or less

If you got rav + LS + bl +

[uncut notch]

https://twitter.com/jasonxdrofl/status/1515818875320946691?t=woR3ZoinJ86su1Yugyg1oQ&s=19

Sethterry the Windboomer..©™ (@jasonxdrofl)

Curious to see which side the coin lands if people get banned or not for this. My gut is yes but never know what the Blizz response is on exploits like this. @WarcraftDevs

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Twitter · Apr 17, 2022, 10:25 PM

So boys which 7 legos we taking into our Mythic Jailer?

[dawn canyon]

5 reprisals and 2 walls

[pallid musk]

It cap on IP for extra rage charge on AM = Avatar

[blazing condor]

Only seismic

[pallid musk]

As record i can beat 66 % Avatar uptime

[dawn canyon]

Honestly suprised they dont have Lego in Belt slot

[ionic fern]

You don't care about IP cap.

Don't even think about it.

[pallid musk]

The thing i think about is my overall dam is low

[ionic fern]

Revenge more.

Use Outburst on SS.

Profit.

Oh, and don't forget to Execute in execute phases.

[pallid musk]

Yes but when execute on trash, how come min Max?

Bosses i doing fine with execute

8-9k

Then it can be revenge position

[ionic fern]

3 or less targets = Execute.

Kinda easy..

Read number on Execute
Read number on Revenge
Duplicate the Revenge number per target until it's bigger than the number on Execute
Profit.

[blazing condor]

Reading is for nerds

[ionic fern]

Agreed.

[pallid musk]

Then it would be that number i fail on

I revenge too much at 3 target and miss press execute at 20 %

[humble tendon]

@ionic fern haha i know m8 i read here every day i was not offended or such. also joking 🙂

[blazing condor]

Best thing is to log a run and post it for us to analyse

[humble tendon]

and i am not paladin warrior main 🙂

[ionic fern]

Is this relevant now that we're all NL?

[blazing condor]

Yes

When i play with my premade i call that i banner but idgaf who it lands on

”Giving some of you a buncha mastery”

[ionic fern]

Don't forget to check logs after who got the buff and then ask them for gold since you gave them buffs.

[blazing condor]

True

CoD them

I do sometimes give my holy priest banner intentionally though

Idk priests but he says its good for him on tough parts

[ionic fern]

Does he give you PI?

Does holy even have PI?

🤔

[ebon geyser]

https://c.tenor.com/6AP9vvlkLnAAAAAM/my-man-my-man-hd.gif

[blazing condor]

He doesnt PI me

[ionic fern]

😦

[blazing condor]

He PIs the monk or hunter iirc

[ionic fern]

Tell him to PI you during Execute.

#profit

[blazing condor]

True

[ebon geyser]

Big dragon reveal tomorrow

Hero class wrathion

[blazing condor]

I would love it if it wasnt even dragons and something completely different

Curveball the shit outa us

[ionic fern]

MURLOCS.

ARE TAKING OVER THE WORLD.

They were multiplying all this time on Azeroth while we were stuck in Shadowlands.

And now are posing a great threat.

[pallid musk]

Murlocs on gambrit

Have you Even been there?

[ionic fern]

Can't wait to go back to struggling against some random lvl 50 enemies after i've slain legit gods as raid bosses.

[jagged pier]

😂

[ebon geyser]

Na if the expansion makes sense is not blizz so dragons it is

[pallid musk]

We usually do insert key - take first wing of murlocs with WO run Hydalblade

[ebon geyser]

If it was void vs light it would have been the best

[ionic fern]

Murlocs vs Nagas.

Plz.

[pallid musk]

Lust and then Lust Soliesh

[ebon geyser]

But again they have yuge shoes to fill

FF kick them in the ass hard

And still doing it

[pallid musk]

And it leave us last Lust on Murloc hunt haunted 😬

Nagas is on Eye of Azsuna, legion m+

Here you go

[blazing condor]

Very popular opinion but i hate that they got a bunch of pandas and orcs slaying literal gods

And titans n shit

Just give us some dumb king who wants to raise the AH taxes or something

[median tulip]

FF; decent gameplay, but the fact that you have to play through 4 previous expansions worth of storyline to get even close to the endgame is just awful

[ebon geyser]

I mean u can boost. But I know what u mean

But they keep doing stuff right and wow in the other hand

[ocean reef]

Two different games for different people really

Same genre

[ebon geyser]

I mean I wish we could get the raid gearing they have

[ocean reef]

Played both now, and a bit of Savage raiding in the current raid tier

[ionic fern]

Know what i want?
Let me log in and instantly have all the legendaries + tier sets and all the other things i need so i can do m+.

[ocean reef]

It was fun but I prefer my wow raiding more

[ionic fern]

[ocean reef]

The gameplay in wow is smoother but the raid fights in FF are definitely also fun

[ebon geyser]

I like wow raiding I love the FF gearing

[ocean reef]

You can do that on the TR

[ebon geyser]

The u can always get badges for gear is

[blazing condor]

Tournament realms pog

[trail brook]

Any strong dmg trinkets for prot?

[blazing condor]

Sack/Phial/Countermeasures

[trail brook]

For m+ i mean

[uncut notch]

These are all great for m+

[tropic linden]

Rlly don't like to play on sanguine

[lime urchin]

I like to marinade big packs in sanguini with mah spear

[tropic linden]

Did 1 PF 15 and that's it for the week

[blazing condor]

Im glad that red blob doesnt sanguine in PF

Means u can still do bosses with em

[tropic linden]

That little island after second boss is hell on sanguine

And that dude who vanished on top of sanguine b4 last boss

Rlly nice dude

And is rlly hard to move him. U need to be a fixed distance, not too close not too far

[blazing condor]

Yeah that guy is icky

Besides that PF isnt that bad with sang imo

Definitely worse ones if mobs get stuck

HoA, beginning of mists, SoA goliaths can be ass, etc

[trail brook]

Okay ty

[obtuse monolith]

It’s honestly getting close to that. Play any aspect of the game you get Flux. Flux = legos & tier. 2P free tomorrow, and a single LFR wing has 3 shots at the rest. 291s are under 30k now

Other than a tiny bit of tier rng for two more weeks and needing to get lego powers once, that’s it. There’s no grind left.

[oblique heath]

Decided to main my prot warrior again today, because I have to make Asmod proud (jk jk) but I’ve been playing pally for about a month, it was easy to ear. Bubble is just super OP and having a ranged kick, then divine toll serving as a multi kick is the craziest thing ever. I’m still in disbelief how privileged prot pally is compared to warrior

I’m just eating breakfast, listening to laundry turn thinking 💭 “prot pally is so fucking cracked”

[sick sentinel]

is 9.2 expect to last till like start of of 2023 or end of 2023

[obtuse monolith]

Well there’s 9.2.5 with more QoL stuff, and Season 4 (patch number unknown) making all three raids relevant, but I’d peg 10.0 at 23Q1 sometime. Probably know more tomorrow

[ebon geyser]

https://c.tenor.com/ioXETuUQSOkAAAAM/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie.gif

[ebon geyser]

9.2.5 is gonna be the last patch

I guarantee it

[chrome falcon]

Well yeah

Blizzard have said that too

[obtuse monolith]

They did say it, I just don’t know if s4 launch and 9.2.5 dropping are at the same time. I thought 9.2.5 comes first

With the raid affix and the additional M+ dungeons in regular rotation it’s kind of a “content” update even if it isn’t “9.2.6”

[vernal vale]

We are supposed to get cross faction in 9.2.5 as well.

Maybe I'll actually find a new guild that works with my availability then.

[urban portal]

I think 9.2.5 is cross faction, and 9.3 is the recycled content

[blazing condor]

Whomst finna reroll

[urban portal]

If you wanted to reroll you should've rerolled the last 2 patches

Imo

Too late now

[strong forum]

10.0 ain't gonna happen q1 2023

More like q3

[tame jasper]

@jagged pier is so right, my rage management is bad. Tried Necro today in DOS 15, Mist 22 and TOP 22 and only got to 45-49% banner uptime and overall less damage in comparison to Kyrian 😦

[strong forum]

Well in DoS and top you have quite some downtime. So you're more likely to have low banner uptime

[tame jasper]

but I'm far away from yours ~80% 😦

as my SB uptime is always far behind (~75%) from yours 90+ 😄

so I'm bad 😄

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jNDrA2xbBPKyVkQa/#fight=last&type=auras&source=3 as you see here 😄

[ionic fern]

Horrible man.

Idk how you can live with yourself.

Giving Prot warriors everywhere a bad name,

Only timing 22's

Smh.

(It's a joke).

[strong forum]

I've only had 48% banner uptime in the awful top I did

Sure I may have only have 2pc but again, it's top

[ionic fern]

Top isn't much chain pulling. 😦

[strong forum]

Lots of nothing between packs

[oblique garnet]

Gitgud

[strong forum]

Dun care

[chrome falcon]

banner uptime in top is dogshit indeed annoying as hell

[strong forum]

[oblique garnet]

In top the highest difference comes from when you reactivate your banner again

I.e do you hold it off or refresh for allies

[minor helm]

[ionic fern]

You got some wasted rage.
Your Intervene usage is low.
Execute more.
Banner usage is low(ish).
Don't forget to Charge weave for more SB/Rage.

[chrome falcon]

about 230 rage wasted from charges/reprisals so definitely hit more IPs before you proc reprisal

[oblique garnet]

@ionic fern whats the opener for prot in the apl?

With 4 set

[ionic fern]

Idk, ask @strong forum .

Think he did the latest one.

[sick sentinel]

good morning 🙂

[tame jasper]

I know 😦

I'm trying since weeks but I dont get it changed 😦

[ionic fern]

You'll get there.

I'm even more horrible, don't worry.

[strong forum]

Banner - charge - heroic charge - ip - avatar - LS - Demo - ip - SS - TC - rev

According to Action sequence table

Which is ofc scuffed but cba optimising the opener

[tame jasper]

one concrete question: how do you decide to "re-banner" in fight?

esp on trash packs

[strong forum]

A) yours is about to fall off
B) you wanna buff your friends

[tame jasper]

A) sounds a bit like it does not extend by 15 but resets to 15?

[strong forum]

Resets to 15

[ionic fern]

C)How long does the pack live?
D)Can i chain pull?
E)Do i have CD's to extend it if the pack lives long enough or should i wait for some of my CD's?

Blablabla

I just smack iit 24/7

Without thinking.

[sick sentinel]

https://br.warcraftlogs.com/reports/21vkXpMB3nxZCPFN/#fight=last (my log to m10)

[ionic fern]

But then again, i'm bad.

So it'äs fine

[oblique garnet]

How long is the time till next pack in top

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel sir

[oblique garnet]

Is the most important one for banner uptime

[chrome falcon]

sir please do not play unstoppable force

you were playing ravager yesterday why did you change it

[sick sentinel]

testing

alredy change again

[steady lantern]

So Ive been trying Necro out over the last week, its been technically super fun, but my dmg in 18-19s has been and overall average of around 8.2-9.2k dps at ilvl 264. using unity and reprisal is that low dps?

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel you're pressing thunderclap WAY too much, SS > TC always ALWAYS

[strong forum]

Most I've done with 255ilvl and 2pc was 10k so far

[ionic fern]

1)Don't use UF
2)If using Reprisal use Best served cold
3)Your blocked hits is low, use INtervene/Charge more
4)Press SS more
5)Press Execute more
6)Press everything more

[strong forum]

I've only done 2 keys with tier as of yet tho

So 8-9k is pretty average, if you have 4pc tho it's low

[ionic fern]

Depends on the key.
Do you have logs?

[oblique garnet]

But yes that is low dps

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel revenge should be your top dps, idk why you're never pressing it

[strong forum]

Cuz UF

[steady lantern]

i dont log, i guess i should learn how?

[chrome falcon]

oh god

that's why his TC damage is so high i guess yeah

[strong forum]

You barely find globals to press revenge if you play UF

Which is why UF sucks twice as much

[sick sentinel]

i press only proc

[chrome falcon]

well he was running bolster yesterday so we're making some progress

[ionic fern]

#protection message

[strong forum]

Don't use revenge only on proc

[tame jasper]

details dps or warcraft logs dps?

[strong forum]

Details

[ionic fern]

One is active, one is overall.

Oh.

[oblique garnet]

8-9k dps is last season dps

[strong forum]

^

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/0b9bec0f64d0b2125cbdc226a05716fc @sick sentinel this is your talent page

do not play bolster or UF

[ionic fern]

Be a chad and go full crit Kyrian Dragon roar.

[strong forum]

[sick sentinel]

ok

[uncut notch]

I’ve become a big fan of bounding stride

And I will die on this hill

[chrome falcon]

yeah you can play either

[oblique garnet]

No

[strong forum]

Yes

[oblique garnet]

CT is the superior talent

And it is the hill i will die on

[strong forum]

Then die infidel

🔫

[oblique garnet]

Convince me on bounding

Why would i need it

[uncut notch]

Good, because I can easily leap up your hill and kill you

[strong forum]

No, we've had this discussion numerous times

[uncut notch]

Enjoy stomping your feet, scrub lord

[oblique garnet]

You will die before you get to melee range as i can just kite you permanently 🙂

[ionic fern]

Imagine this.

[uncut notch]

This guy doesn’t know about the run speed bonus

[ionic fern]

Both talents work and it's a row where you can actually decide on which one you prefer..

INsane.

Imagine all rows being like that.

[oblique garnet]

The extra range of tc is enough to get you slowed without you being far enough of charge range

[uncut notch]

I prefer stride due to the insane amount of mobs that can’t be slowed

[strong forum]

Wrong

[uncut notch]

Good example being NW

[strong forum]

Charge range is 8yards

Which is the exact range of TC without CT

[ionic fern]

I prefer Stride because i'm too used to the movement speed buff i get from it and i cba changing talents.

[uncut notch]

Also this

I get physically angry when I play fury and don’t have double time

[ionic fern]

++

[strong forum]

The only time CT was good was in conjunction with CnS in bfa

To stop mobs from charging

[oblique garnet]

Idk how youre using your leap but i pretty much only use it to reset taunt

[ionic fern]

I mean..CT IS good. So is Stride.

It's not that one is bad and the other is good.

Both are good.

🤷

[uncut notch]

That’s weird

[strong forum]

If you don't have leap to pull multiple packs with the momentspeed boost

Idk what you're doing

[uncut notch]

I know that it does that but I’ve never actually done that

[strong forum]

Soa first pull

Bounding is goated

[uncut notch]

SD opener too

[oblique garnet]

You get all of them without bounding

In both cases

[strong forum]

PF 3rd boss, have leap ready for every mob spawn wave

[strong forum]

What about running back?

Slow ass feet

[uncut notch]

And run from one to another so fast

It’s just so good I love it

[oblique garnet]

Wdym running back

[strong forum]

Behind the pillar?

[uncut notch]

You left the packs at the start and you need to go back and LOS

[oblique garnet]

???

Where

[strong forum]

You charge, TC - leap, run into los

[oblique garnet]

First pull of soa?

[strong forum]

Yes

You los

[oblique garnet]

You pull to middle pack

They all come to you

[strong forum]

So everything stacks up

[oblique garnet]

There is natural los spots where the pull ends

Same with sd

[uncut notch]

Wat

[strong forum]

That's on the stairs with the golem

[oblique garnet]

Yes

[strong forum]

In most groups you don't pull golem first pull

[oblique garnet]

Yeah most groups suck

Why would you not pull golem

[strong forum]

Nto enough kicks/stops

[uncut notch]

Yeah it can easily go sideways

I’ve had groups hit every fist and die to 99999 lashes

[civic torrent]

esp with current meta of Lock/Mage and even Boomy

it's difficult to kick all that you need

need pink class

[oblique garnet]

Idk ive been doing that pull since s1 with no issues

[strong forum]

I've had more than enough healers get clapped on first pull :haha:

Cuz no interrupts

[uncut notch]

I want to believe you

But I can’t

[oblique garnet]

Doesnt matter release is closed

If they die they die because of bad play

[strong forum]

Bounding is just too goated with the movespeed

Makes pulling so much more comfy

[civic torrent]

good for reprisal too

[strong forum]

Rather than a 4yard increase on a button you barely press

[uncut notch]

And not even that

Out of combat it’s great too

[strong forum]

Ya

[uncut notch]

It’s just 10000x handier than marginally more range

[strong forum]

45sec CD is too long for leap

[jagged pier]

bounding is goat talent

[strong forum]

Whenever I play arms i instantly notice the lack of bounding

[jagged pier]

should be baseline

[strong forum]

It hurts so bad

[civic torrent]

yep

[oblique garnet]

I will accept that bounding is superior when jakey does more damage than me

[uncut notch]

Ya, I drop warpaint on fury every time

[oblique garnet]

[jagged pier]

like i run keys anymore

i just raid log

[oblique garnet]

Nome then

[jagged pier]

like nome played the game

[strong forum]

Just you wait

[jagged pier]

:KEKW

[strong forum]

8 more months

Until I am 270

[oblique garnet]

The goal to beat is 14.1k with reprisal

Gl in your mission

[strong forum]

Next week I might hit 260ilvl

!

Still need to do a weekly key tho

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

Maybe tomorrow...

[jagged pier]

:KEKW:

[strong forum]

Well I ain't home

[oblique garnet]

Maybe i should log in to lost ark

[ionic fern]

Can i compete?

😦

[strong forum]

I literally left 10min after I opened my vault

[oblique garnet]

Sure why not

[strong forum]

I recommend only logging on LA to get your daily mats

[oblique garnet]

Thought you didnt play

[strong forum]

Mwahi plays more than me(which isn't hard)

[ionic fern]

I actually did

4 keys yesterday.

Because someone asked me to tank and i had nothing else going on.

[oblique garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/pikachu-shocked-face-stunned-pokemon-shocked-not-shocked-omg-gif-24112152

[strong forum]

LA is pretty content dry rn. Everything is too easy

[ionic fern]

Holy crap.

That's a high quality gif.

[civic torrent]

Yeah that looks mint

[oblique garnet]

Yeah honestly just thinking about giving ff a try

[civic torrent]

ARR is so cringe

[jagged pier]

ew

[civic torrent]

HW onwards good

[strong forum]

Liek I have a hard time wanting to log on LA, it's all just "do your dailies and weeklies"

With no actual content

Big sad

All just in prep for valtan release in May

Which will get cleared fairly easily again and then it's rinse and repeat until next raid

[oblique garnet]

Idk maybe ill just play singleplayers now

[jagged pier]

preping to lvl new dragon tank class

[strong forum]

So pwar after reworks?

[jagged pier]

reworks

:kekw:

[strong forum]

Hey we had already 4 dragon themed abilities

Dragon roar, dragon charge, nelth shield aaaaaand dragon scales artifact trait

Maybe even more

[sweet summit]

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

[civic torrent]

why dont these blizz guys make every fkn talent viable jfc

so cringe having rows like indom

where u have no options

[strong forum]

Rework talent system

❗

[oblique garnet]

Honestly all they need to do is give each row additional talent point

You would have some pretty fun interactions that way

[civic torrent]

They surely have metrics for talents

<2% of the playerbase picking Never Surrender

[strong forum]

I'm starting to think they don't

[civic torrent]

seemsgood.jpg

[strong forum]

They nerfed a talent with 0.01% pick rate for vdh

In beta

[civic torrent]

<1% of people picking Menace

seemsgood

its so weird

[median tulip]

So we can have 3 options that are underpowered on each row instead of 2?

[oblique garnet]

You would have 2 points in each row

I.e you could have both bolster and am

Or am and hr

Etc etc

[median tulip]

Oh I see what you mean. An additional choice, not an additional option

[oblique garnet]

Its lazy mans fix to reworking classes

But it would work

[chrome falcon]

Not really they just need to take talents that have been 99% pick rate for 3 expansions baseline

no-one wants to play prot without deva and AM

[strong forum]

You'd be surprised

How many people dislike devastator.

[oblique garnet]

Its pointless

[strong forum]

I can't fathom how they come to that conclusion

[civic torrent]

If I didnt play devastator i wouldnt play prot honestly

[strong forum]

But they do

[median tulip]

What I want:
Baseline Anger Management for all Warriors
All abilities that have a random chance of reset get 2 charges baseline (Shield Slam, Overpower)
Baseline Devastator
Spear and Banner as new talents

[oblique garnet]

Devastate as a button is just dead

[strong forum]

Rn you'd never press it

Legit never

[civic torrent]

would be kinda cool for it to work like overpower

[chrome falcon]

@median tulip that 2nd suggestion is literally just turning shield slam into judgement i dunno if i want that

[civic torrent]

and it buffs shield slam

[strong forum]

Well we had smth like that in legion

As offensive rage dump

Off gcd focus rage

[chrome falcon]

yeah it was fuckin hot

[civic torrent]

Oh, I didnt play in legion unfortunately

[strong forum]

It would increase your next shield slams dmg by like 40%

[civic torrent]

sounds mint though

[strong forum]

Stacked twice

[chrome falcon]

and you got the superior animation if it was full stacks when you pressed it

[strong forum]

Arms also had focus rage

[civic torrent]

Outburst + that ability + demo shout+ avatar

[median tulip]

Oh, another thing I want: A better Revenge animation and sound effect

[strong forum]

Ya it would fit quite well tbh

[civic torrent]

every pvp comp running prot warrior

[chrome falcon]

yeah i wouldn't say no to multiple revenge animations

when we're pressing it 3 times in a row sometimes

[median tulip]

One thing I would actually enjoy seeing is the addition of the damage supression effect from Condemn being added to Revenge

[civic torrent]

Weird as it sounds, I'd like the conduit for intervene as an external to be baseline

[strong forum]

Well

It was a talent in bfa

But 40%

[chrome falcon]

i just want them to do a full dragon theme for prot, they almost went for it in legion and it was almost cool

[median tulip]

If it's a dragon expansion, everything gonna be dragon themed

[strong forum]

Also a huge reason why pwar was so good in bfa

And why pwar got nerfed

100%

[chrome falcon]

intervene was super useful in legion and bfa way more than it is now

[strong forum]

Rn it's just a shell of its former self

[chrome falcon]

the design was better for intervene too, legion had so many bosses that would just nuke one player's ass so hard that they needed an immune or external every time

[civic torrent]

ive been incorporating some stuff in keys that I havent seen too many pwar's use

with intervene

[blazing condor]

Intercept

[civic torrent]

frontal on NW first boss and the mail room soak