I only got 4piece this week i feel more tanks because free ignore pain and more rage dump to ignore pain.
#protection
sturdy sable
Indomitable healing as well
vernal vale
I am doing 5k hps on 19th. Am I good?
Logs would be needed to see if your overusing ignore pain.
Should revenge more
lyric geode
Sometimes I outperform the healer
lyric geode
Should revenge more
Indeed, I overuse ignore pain, but in order to maintain banner
sturdy sable
But are you out dpsing any dps?
frosty ridge
Should revenge more
eye for an eye makes the whole world blind
lofty widget
as long as youre not overcapping rage it doesnt matter what you spend rage on
sturdy sable
Uhh
lyric geode
Because GCD, I cant spam revenge and increase the duration of my banner
vernal vale
The concenses of people who are good is revenge more.
lyric geode
Except on execute phases which I LOVE IT
sturdy sable
Because you should be
ebon geyser
when they say i never see you on but when u log u are the only one on 
lofty widget
as long as youre not overcapping rage it doesnt matter what you spend rage on
for maintaining banner i shold clarify
lyric geode
In BL phases I maintain banner beyond the cd
sturdy sable
I would hope so
lyric geode
My main problem is that there is no big rage spend when I want to aoe.
ebon geyser
wanna aoe , revenge , wanna St revenge
lyric geode
Since GCD is 0.75 sec min. And revenge cost 20 rage, it gives like 0.25 sec of window to react which sucks.
vernal vale
healer dies cus he forgets to go in a portal
Oof
lyric geode
Ask him, if he forgot to breath too.
blazing condor
even better it was a premade even
we were on voice and shit
i told him 5 times where to go
he starts going to the wrong one, and instead of commiting he tries to salvage and go right
vernal vale
he starts going to the wrong one, and instead of commiting he tries to salvage a...
Should always commit
lyric geode
I showed a protection paladin streaming that I can spell reflect scythe from the last boss in ToP. He says that protection warrior is OP.
raven hatch
do we want either of the tank trinkets from nelth lair?
vernal vale
do we want either of the tank trinkets from nelth lair?
No
lyric geode
My reaction🤦 🤦 🤦
The best comment from him, protection warrior shall be nerfed.
Because I mitigate 100% of the damage from this boss.
vernal vale
Because spell reflect deal big damage apparently
lyric geode
Lowering the cd of spell reflect makes us apparently S tier tanks.
Even though in my realm, the only protection warriors that play are me and my grandpa.
AND guardian druids.
So entitled piece of crap
vernal vale
Paladin meta though
lyric geode
I had a conversation with a guardian, he says that we are rightfully in C tier because apparently we were on S tier on BFA even though I quitted playing wow at the end of legion
vernal vale
Tier lists are a bad metric always
mighty valley
Tier lists are clickbait brain poison, love em
frosty ridge
tier lists are S tier
vernal vale
Tier lists are clickbait brain poison, love em
Brain poison I love that
lyric geode
I got ridiculed by a guildmate that I play protection warrior, because he isnt meta.
He played fury ffs.
frosty ridge
I got ridiculed by a guildmate that I play protection warrior, because he isnt m...
but actually, or he was just kidding around?
mighty valley
Fury has gone from god tier to mediocre in the span of a few weeks, maybe should show that lists should be taken with a grain of salt
vernal vale
^
lyric geode
It isnt viable for high end keys, nobody will pick you. Your spec is a garbage, you should reroll to a playable spec.
I do higher keys than him now kewk
frosty ridge
why does he care about any of that
torn steppe
Fury has gone from god tier to mediocre in the span of a few weeks, maybe should...
That giga nerf to the tier set and necro combo is looking like a bad play now.
frosty ridge
is he spec police or what
vernal vale
Everything is playable in reality. Just takes the right player.
lyric geode
Look, I rerolled from mm hunter on 9.0 not because my class was getting nerfed BUT because my friends wanted a tank to fill the spot.
frosty ridge
this is wow, literally everything is "viable". it's not even a word anymore, because it means nothing
lyric geode
I am proud of my choices and I am proud playing protection warrior even if it C tier or S tier.
frosty ridge
as long as it's fun
lyric geode
I try to play fury warrior for raids. I fail miserably
mighty valley
That giga nerf to the tier set and necro combo is looking like a bad play now.
I mean fury was v strong for RWF post-nerf and it’s still middle of the pack now, seems fine
vernal vale
Fury isn't in a bad spot in reality.
lyric geode
Apparently with the new nerf on survival hunter, it is now a dead spec too. Kewk.
vernal vale
Lol
mighty valley
Some of the most fun I’ve had was doing 9.0 keys with a feral druid as our healer, the most “dead spec” of dead specs
vernal vale
Some of the most fun I’ve had was doing 9.0 keys with a feral druid as our heale...
I've known several really good ferals over tge years.
dawn canyon
Both ferals ive played with were good
north rampart
evolves, outlaw rogue complaining is chefs kisses schafenfruede to read
mighty valley
We did around 18s with tank + 4 dps, so fun
mighty valley
I love mistweaver, it makes no sense
uncut notch
Had a few Venth MW monks healing me lately
Disgusting in TOP and PF
revival feels illegal
dawn canyon
That's the im Main dps but want a fast q method
vernal vale
That's the im Main dps but want a fast q method
Always this
dawn canyon
Especially for pwar it doesnt work
ebon geyser
shit at least u guys dont get meme material like this
My apologizes Lord Sultan of Coagulated Utter Drainage. We we’re unaware of your presence. It’s like 6pm on a holiday weekend. Most people will be about raid time just like they are about every night. The world doesn’t revolve around you pumpkin.
vernal vale
I've always considered myself main spec tank even when I've been forced to dps
I never go in the fury channel unless it's an accident
Slam shouldn't be on bar
Man I remember when slam had a cast time in arms spec
mighty valley
TBC era arms was kinda fun
vernal vale
TBC era arms was kinda fun
I played arms during ICC
mighty valley
Caring a lot about swing timer for slam cast timing was unusual
vernal vale
Beat both fury warriors in the guild at that time on heroic progression.
Then I got asked to tank. Never looked back.
mighty valley
Plus you were adding 4% physical damage to the raid
vernal vale
Rend refresh at 1.3deconds or something like that to not muss a tick
vernal vale
It was a shorter window in ICC
mighty valley
Yeah that was pre dot rework, v awkward
vernal vale
Yeah
That number would change if you had certain haste breakpoints too
Armor penetration was a thing
cunning ermine
Can we turn the legion timewalking M+ gear into set pieces?
mighty valley
Haven’t thought about it, probably?
vernal vale
Uh, maybe.
It's technically season 3 gear but because of how rarely timewalking comes around they might have overlooked it.
cunning ermine
Yeah that's what I was thinking but the guy in my group who got a piece doesn't have a charge left to check
torpid junco
How’s our rotation change with 4 piece ?
ocean yoke
think dk slappy hands but on your keyboard
ocean yoke
How’s our rotation change with 4 piece ?
non jokey answer it doesnt change it too much but it does speed up the spec quite a bit. you will need to make sure to not munch procs by casting avatar when you have one
mighty egret
How’s our rotation change with 4 piece ?
make sure IP is on an accessible keybind
lilac meteor
Is it just me or does the tier set for Prot seem kinda weak?
dawn canyon
It's absolutely insane
vernal vale
Is it just me or does the tier set for Prot seem kinda weak?
It is in no way weak
lilac meteor
Oh is it actually strong
lilac meteor
Line up CDs for its massive hit im guessing ?
dawn canyon
It essentially doubles your rage gen
vernal vale
Line up CDs for its massive hit im guessing ?
There is more to it than that.
Rage generation to do more things
dawn canyon
And more rage = more AM value = more damage and then it loops
vernal vale
Free ignore pains
vernal vale
Permenant banner is 22% strength and a ton of mastery
lilac meteor
I’m a fury main that tanks keys for guildies so I guess I should check it out more since I just got 4 piece
vernal vale
I’m a fury main that tanks keys for guildies so I guess I should check it out mo...
Focus on good play more than seeing red.
lilac meteor
Is reprisal still best for mythic ?
vernal vale
Outburst shield slam to feed the rage machine.
Reprisal is best in 98% of all situations
ocean yoke
its a lot stronger in practice than it looks just reading it on paper tbh
tier set that is
vernal vale
On paper I thought the tier was good because more rage.
The. It plays even better than that.
ocean yoke
its definitely good on paper but feels awesome in game
vernal vale
^
sinful plover
Hell yeah I’m pumped to get 2pc next week
vernal vale
i just realize i have NO skips on EU
That sounds so painful
ebon geyser
The maw.... Doing the maw
vernal vale
Blah, that's horrid
ebon geyser
Yeah really thinking about it
Either wait until I get to EU and see how bad ping/ time dif is or just quit until I get back
mighty valley
Just see it as shortcutting your renown
ebon geyser
what u mean
hard vessel
how much worse is emeni than marileth? this kevin dude is constantly pulling mobs in dungeons for me when i just target them
and this really sucks ass
vernal vale
how much worse is emeni than marileth? this kevin dude is constantly pulling mob...
If your not running Marileth you want heimer
But Marileth preforms the best by far.
Heimer Sims higher for some people for whatever reason.
urban portal
I don't think the sim remember to refresh the 120 mastery from Kevin
vernal vale
I don't think the sim remember to refresh the 120 mastery from Kevin
That might be why.
It Sims higher by 200dps for me is all.
I suppose I could do 5min on a dummy with each and see what happens in practice
pliant sage
Kevin?
vernal vale
Kevin?
Kevin is my friend
Kevin is your friend
Kevin is everyone's friend.
In all seriousness though it's at the bottom of the Marileth tree
pliant sage
._. I don't know anyone named Kevin irl. Is this the internet stranger my parents warned me about?
The little slime bro that is sometimes summoned?
Squishy boi is best boi. Don't be mean to it.
vernal vale
Yeah our little slime buddy is Kevin
ebon geyser
kevin is the slime and dave is the brm ox. crazy how the best tanks have a pet
tropic linden
errant wagon
Giving necro a shot right now! Which soulbind is the right play?
limpid pawn
plaguebinder
errant wagon
thanks 🙂
limpid pawn
so the banner pretty much lasts all pull and sometimes into next pull
but im not getting like 90-100% uptime lik ei see in some logs
mighty valley
They’re probably chainpulling harder
Depends on the dungeon but sometimes the train never stops
Also logs aren’t always perfect at tracking combat vs noncombat time
vernal vale
so the banner pretty much lasts all pull and sometimes into next pull
I'm getting 60-65% now with 4piece in dungeons Griff is getting close to 90% by pulling one pack to the next chain pulls
brave stirrup
so if im understanding the valor system....once i have spent 5250 valor I cant earn anymore and spend anymore? im just done upgrading gear for the season?
median tulip
so if im understanding the valor system....once i have spent 5250 valor I cant e...
The cap increases by 750 each week
brave stirrup
ah ok
ruby locust
so i was doing mythic skolex and was just getting fucked any tips of suggestions would be amazing or is it just me
urban portal
You can't be winging it, need to pre plan CDs
Refer to some logs to see how they are assigning cds
Lastly there's nothing wrong with running the wall
ruby locust
Yeah I was just getting absolutely nuked by the 5th pull I was running hr and learned the cooldown rotation
Honestly the fact I’ve gotten as far as I have with a 236 one hander is beyond me
Yeah I like reprisal but I forget to use it at times as embarrassing as it is this is my first week back tanking raids in almost a year
mighty valley
not embarrassing, you're diving in the deep end
torpid carbon
Playing AM and The Wall helped a lot. You have a shieldwall for almost every tank combo and call for externals in between.
Due to a high number of casts, he does do autohits unfrequently
lofty ocean
hello guys, as a prot warrior for m+ which covenant are the best?
fine, now can you advice me how you making dmg as a prot, for examply opener?
quaint glade
Necro and Kyrian I’d say
Personally I prefer to play as kyrian (maybe I’ll go full necro after I have 4 pieces)
quaint glade
ok fine, but how you make dps as a prot? what opener?
I don’t think there is certain opener you should follow in m+
As for me I charge (Lego effect) shield slam to longer the shield block effect and then ravager thunder claps and etc
From 19+ no tier kyrian
Hopefully with tier will do more kekw
blazing condor
Make sure you pre cast ravager before you charge
Then just kinda revenge spam
If you got avatar and banner and spear and shit just use it
there's no one correct rotation though
i think now with banner i usually rav > charge + banner > avatar > spam revenge and dump rage into IP
steel mist
im trying something experimental on the legion tank trinkets
what do you say on talisman of the cragshaper as a defensive trinket
from neltharions lair
median tulip
what do you say on talisman of the cragshaper as a defensive trinket
It's one Ignore Pain. On a 1 minute cooldown.
And some vers, TBF
median tulip
But it's deeply unimpressive
blazing condor
and what stats you try to set up?
strength (=ilvl) >>> haste > vers > crit=>mastery pretty much
29 hate and 19 vers is totally fine
strong forum
i think now with banner i usually rav > charge + banner > avatar > spam revenge ...
This is the correct opener
lofty ocean
and what you mean by "IP"
blazing condor
Ignore Pain
blazing condor
you have such crazy rage gain rn so you will need to dump more rage in general to not waste it
which is good cus it funnels your tier set even more
civic torrent
Im not crazy for kinda wishing IP was back at 40 rage right
dawn canyon
Not crazy
orchid mural
any thoughts on not using ravager? how is it still so good?
civic torrent
Think of it as a dot you can cast that hits every target and generates you rage
Fire and forget threat, rage and damage
Super good in m+
blazing condor
any thoughts on not using ravager? how is it still so good?
great tool to get aggro and very good rage gain
also nice to be able to throw shit
orchid mural
was enjoying not pressing it ... thought tier synergy with UF + AM would be better.
blazing condor
dont view thunderclap as anything else than a rage gain tbh
the slow doesnt matter and the damage is non-existent
jagged pier
u infact press it less with tier
blazing condor
^
that 5 rage really aint shit when you got 200% shield slams and all the other rage gain
orchid mural
hmm. gotcha.
unbuffed my haste is at 32% and vers is ay 19% .... overdoing it a little bit you think ?
jagged pier
of vers yer
blazing condor
nope
you stack haste up to 40% before you start looking at other stuff
any passive vers you got is good but no need to focus it
i also have 32 haste and 19 vers hm
strong forum
Smh
orchid mural
heh
strong forum
Imagine not being haste crit gang
blazing condor
pog !
im actually playing a lot rn 
thought i was out but wow is there to pick me up when i aint got other things to do
orchid mural
oh boy. just looking at the necro lord prot wars ... hmm. been kyrian since release, never switched.
blazing condor
man the fact that keys youve applied to still duplicate in the LFG list is annoyinh
jagged pier
a few cents company
shell shale
It's hilarious too how many people get gambit keys that show up as streets because they forget or literally can't because they don't have an authenticator
shell shale
Lmao YUP
shell shale
Yeah it's a bug too with streets and gambit
I just meant they forget to fix the bug
Or literally can't change it because they don't have an authenticator so they can't change shit in lfg
shell shale
I'm talking about the player not fixing the key
You can change it in lfg
Shouldn't have to
But you can
Unless you don't have an authenticator
blazing condor
new lfg is ass
if youre the leader listing your friends' key:
create group - my key
change title to right level
change dungeon to right dungeon
title switches back to the title of my key
literally why
shell shale
Lmao YUP
I about lost it. Buddy was like "give me lead for once so I can pick gamers" procceded to throw it back because no authenticator so he couldn't change it from his gambit key and it was showing up as streets
dawn canyon
That change was so bad
I so if i do a key with friend we cant get his 3k to show rather than my 1500 
tame jasper
@jagged pier @ionic fern @strong forum Nice Podcast about Prot warrior (just finished it today) 🙂
shell shale
Yeah I super enjoy playing prot this patch. I feel like I'm decently tanky and do a good chunk of dmg.
lime urchin
blazing condor
❤️
uncut notch
Hey - rough indicator of the block % i should be aiming for?
Hit 75% in an SD19 and it felt a bit rough
Mists is way better at like 85
ERHPS remains low but think im overusing IP now and need to work in the reprisal play
or SB uptime, if thats easier
strong forum
Blocked hits
uncut notch
Okay
strong forum
SB uptime itself is not a good metric
clever heart
Hey is there any interaction between casting rallying cry or last stand 1st ? in combination with each other. My total hp seems to come out the same either way.
thought i'd ask tho
uncut notch
Hey is there any interaction between casting rallying cry or last stand 1st ? in...
They stack
Rally and last stand during countdown for keys and fleshcraft
90k hp shield
strong forum
It's % increase of base health
So no direct interaction between the 2
Just straight up addition
blazing condor
if you fleshcraft pre key then fleshcraft again before key starts it overrides the previous buff right?
aka they cant stack
strong forum
Ya fleshcraft doesn't stack
blazing condor
torpid junco
What % of damage should revenge be?
blazing condor
in m+ or raid
blazing condor
i havent double checked but i think in m+ my revenge damage% is around 20-25%
with shield slam being about 20 as well
shell shale
how much dmg you guys do in keys?
blazing condor
i do way too little rn
shell shale
i sit around 11-13k and my shield slam tends to do 22-24% then revenge 20% ish
blazing condor
how much dps does the 4p give you
shell shale
alot
strong forum
11-13k sounds about right
median tulip
if you fleshcraft pre key then fleshcraft again before key starts it overrides t...
Correct, but: You can use Last Stand, Rally Cry and Sigil to maximise your Fleshcraft before the key goes in and they all reset their CD
sweet summit
no
chrome falcon
using fleshcraft while you have a fleshcraft up will kill your old fleshcraft and start building a new one it's very rude
echo egret
Mage tower : is there any damage to shield block in phase 1 ? It seems like everything is magic damage
obtuse marten
How good is Codex of First Technique for tanking M+?
brave stirrup
How are you guys utilizing fleshcrafts in m+ I am holding w so much that I forget to even do it, when you do it are you channeling fully? On cd?
obtuse marten
I dont have it, dropped one and someone is bugging me for it. I wasn't looking for it, but it's probably better than Soleahs Secret Technique
jagged pier
Its one of our better defensive trinkets
chrome falcon
keep fleshcrafting on cd for the mastery
but you shouldn't really use it
it stuns you for 3 seconds yknow
sick sentinel
between pulls
chrome falcon
oh definitely not that
sick sentinel
like, before anything as your about to go in
sick sentinel
well true, but walk down time
sick sentinel
i dunno if the m+ one is the tree that has the move while casting it, but thats just so good chef kiss
chrome falcon
so good that you don't play it
sick sentinel
can't while mounted 😦 but can while on foot, i think its nice
brave stirrup
So just tap fleshcraft and cancel it just for the buffs sake ?
chrome falcon
yes
brave stirrup
Ok Ty
chrome falcon
doing 0 damage and generating 0 rage for 3 seconds is trolling
unless you're literally dying without the shield
mellow gorge
necro is very fun
torpid junco
Spear or bastion is usually my most dps. That odd?
torpid junco
Spear is usually top at around 18% of my damage
viral flume
doing 0 damage and generating 0 rage for 3 seconds is trolling
I gotta disagree with this. Going into a boss fight with a 50k absorb on top of everything else is going to let your healer dps a lot more at the start
strong forum
Mage tower : is there any damage to shield block in phase 1 ? It seems like ever...
Only good for dmg in phase1
chrome falcon
fleshcrafting for 3 seconds is not going to kill a boss 4+ seconds faster
grave crane
I typically use it for the shield or DR
viral flume
fleshcrafting for 3 seconds is not going to kill a boss 4+ seconds faster
It's so much more than just the raw damage. A majority of bosses damage at the start is way more valuable than damage at the end. Think hakkar, or first boss in pf.
It could definitely save you 4 seconds, or more depending on boss.
In the middle of a fight yeah don't press it
grave crane
Full fleshcrafting before a fight isn’t what he’s talking about I don’t think. He’s saying during a fight shouldn’t be a full channel
chrome falcon
no i'm saying you shouldn't do it before a fight either
chrome falcon
you're welcome to spend 12-15 seconds per key stunning yourself in front of a boss
i'll pass
grave crane
Interesting. Why not before a fight? Just cause it’s a channel?
chrome falcon
because you stand still doing nothing for 3 seconds
viral flume
You are looking at it from a black and white perspective. It's not as simple as a simple 3 seconds waste
viral flume
You would lose what, 5 rage? Banner will likely be up for every boss there's no way you would go into a boss without it unless you miss timed something
chrome falcon
right but you're burning 3+ seconds of uptime to fleshcraft
i'm talking about having banner from a previous pack still running
grave crane
I guess if your min maxing and chain pulling for max banner uptime then that would put a bit of a dent in the rage gen and uptime
viral flume
That's a joke. You'd want to pop a new banner going into a boss to buff dps with their cds. keeping our own would be irrelevant
viral flume
That's not what we are talking about?
chrome falcon
If i have 6 seconds left on my banner
You couldn't pay me enough to let it drop just to fleshcraft
dawn canyon
channeling is generally time wasted
so im not too convinced pre pull is the correct time to pop it
viral flume
I agree, unless it's going into a boss fight
grave crane
Are we only talking about m+ cause k full channel for heal and DR during damage in raid
chrome falcon
But what about a hard pack in fortified
A hard foritfied pack does MUCH more damage to a tank than a tyrannical boss
Are you channeling a fleshcraft there too?
chrome falcon
Yeah if you absolutely have to that's probably the best time
But sitting in front of a boss and doing it is 100% not efficient
Pull the boss first THEN doing it, that would be more efficient
vernal vale
Take the mastery by tapping it and move on. Unless you have a really bad healer.
chrome falcon
If you have a really bad healer, generating rage and doing damage is going to help you more than fleshcraft
vernal vale
Fair enough
viral flume
If you have a good healer, full channel will be better because they can full dps
vernal vale
I find I only really full channel it if a boss is forcing a move out. Which is rare in m+
viral flume
Before you pull, full channel, healer can full dps for the first good while cuz you got a 60k absorb ontop of your typical mitigation
vernal vale
Normally it's a tap for mastery and go
lofty widget
they can full dps regardless
chrome falcon
^
How much damage are you taking if your healer can't dps the pull because they need to spam you
viral flume
It's still an absorb that isn't going away till it's broken. It's 60k that the healer doesn't need to heal so they can instead dps for longer
chrome falcon
Right and those 3 or 4 extra dps globals the healer got
That's killing the boss 4 seconds faster?
viral flume
This is exactly what I'm saying, on some bosses yes it will kill the boss faster.
chrome falcon
How much dps are your healers doing on the pull, 30k?
You're stunning your whole group for 3 seconds so your healer can dps get for 3 or 4 extra globals
How is that not the most blatantly inefficient play of all time
mellow gorge
well just flesh craft during banner
chrome falcon
No! Just don't fleshcraft!
chrome falcon
I am once again asking protection warriors to stop stunning themselves!
mellow gorge
if you're good, those 3 seconds will be regained
vernal vale
Fleshcraft is a nice bonus but standing still doing nothing is 0 damage for that entire time. Then you have to make the time up later.
chrome falcon
Or you could just not fleshcraft in the first place
mellow gorge
just use it when there's alot of damage inc
mellow gorge
ravager does that for ya
chrome falcon
Yes and so do the other spells I could be pressing instead of fleshcraft
viral flume
You seriously undervalue flesh
chrome falcon
But why
viral flume
It's funny
chrome falcon
I'm not dying
lofty widget
it's hardly less damage
mellow gorge
listen
it's better to use flesh craft
then complain it costs 3-4 globals
it's a big ass absorb
mellow gorge
it's a defensive cooldown in it's own
chrome falcon
I'm not dying
lofty widget
it's really not in the scheme of things
chrome falcon
My healer can full dps the pull on m+ bosses because I have a button called shield block
And ignore pain
And a shitzillion rage
mellow gorge
ok
good for you
i will use my fleshcraft as I deem fit
don't use it if you don't want
viral flume
"I'm not dying" is not a good argument. Because that shield still, no matter what mitigation you add with it at the start, won't go away till it's broken
That's 60k+ damage that won't need to be healed.
mellow gorge
i mean, as prot warr, an extra defensive button is nice
chrome falcon
Most of the damage you take doesn't need to be healed anyway
viral flume
Most of the damage you take doesn't need to be healed anyway
Prot warrior is literally the tank where damage taken is the most permanent, stop memeing us
chrome falcon
Yes and it's also the tank that takes the least damage
viral flume
But
viral flume
You know what will
chrome falcon
I would suggest you don't take a giant chukn of damage
viral flume
🤣🤣
chrome falcon
Yes shield wall has no cooldown
chrome falcon
Your fleshcraft that you stunned your whole group for 3 seconds for
Is going to disappear in the first 4 or 5 autos
mellow gorge
how does it stun your whole group
mellow gorge
it just stops you from dpsing
chrome falcon
No
mellow gorge
and you take 20% dr whilst still blocking
chrome falcon
That's not the discussion
mellow gorge
well what's the discussion then?
chrome falcon
Ravvs is saying you have to full fleshcraft
mellow gorge
i'm very confused
chrome falcon
Before every boss
Because it will make your healer do SO much extra dps that it's worth it
Despite the fact that your fleshcraft is going to disappear in 4 or 5 autos
mellow gorge
ok in that case
chrome falcon
Which is absolutely baby damage
mellow gorge
what if your healer is eating
chrome falcon
Which you can cover yourself
mellow gorge
do you sitll not click fleshcraft?
lofty widget
the only time you can warrant a full fleshcraft before a boss is if someone is dead and healer is ressing
or someone is running back
chrome falcon
^
lofty widget
for whatever reason
viral flume
Dps cds are usually 5-15 seconds away at bosses too. 3 seconds of downtime means they get cds sooner.
Or closer to pull.
chrome falcon
Wtf are you talking about
blazing condor
the chad play is to tap it just as a tank buster hits so you get the mastery and dr
lofty widget
thats just not true
chrome falcon
Where did THAT assertion come from
chrome falcon
Yeah i was excited for pustule eruptions but
mellow gorge
atm
it deals 232 dps of my total
it's not bad
and heals a bit, which is useless
chrome falcon
Does 232dps at the cost of 3 globals
chrome falcon
Sure which is probably less damage than the 2 revenges you could have cast while you channeled
mellow gorge
maybe
but
for 3 seconds
i'd rather have a cool bubble that spits
- flesh craft pumps my healing meters 😎
does half of my indom
lofty widget
today i learnt logs can show raw dmg taken, block is kinda good
sturdy sable
Yeah warriors are really good at mitigation
Its like our whole schtick.
Ppl usually just dont care when you tell them lmao
ebon geyser
lol
i moved my paladin to thrall since he was in a dead server and i saw that my good ol warrior was in the delete screen so i saved him
median tulip
Mag'har Warriors REPRESENT!
deep steppe
So I know the Court of Stars ring is decent for fury. Is it worth getting for Prot?
median tulip
So I know the Court of Stars ring is decent for fury. Is it worth getting for Pr...
Meh
If it drops then by all means use it, but don't feel yolu have to go out of your way to farm it
jagged pier
its around a 1.3% damage increase for me which is more than most piece from mythic
so its quite substantial actually
deep steppe
ebon geyser
anyone have level with threads of fate? is it better than story quest
ebon geyser
Mag'har Warriors REPRESENT!
deep steppe
The other legion item to get is that trinket from warden yeah?
jagged pier
ye
chrome falcon
i love that legion dungeons have 16 items on their drop table!
this has been a super fun week!
deep steppe
anyone have level with threads of fate? is it better than story quest
Isn’t it that you do the story till lvl 59 and then switch to threads?
median tulip
I've done 40 runs of VOTW on my Shaman
chrome falcon
my rdruid friend is at 60 BRH runs
median tulip
I haven't even seen the trinket
chrome falcon
they need to let you buy these time-locked trinkets
oh i've seen it drop like 6 fucking times i'm tilted off my face
ebon geyser
I haven't even *seen* the trinket
i gave up on my monk
literally nobody has seen in in my guilds
chrome falcon
no i mean i've seen other people get it
and in all this time i've never successfully rerolled my key INTO votw
so i can't organised a trader group
jagged pier
C:
chrome falcon
i'm easily at 100 combined runs of streets/pf/votw, most of those runs with traders, and i have 0 phial, codex, sack or countermeasure
🙃
west walrus
the more you want it, the less you get it
dawn canyon
Skill issue 🙂
west walrus
Because prot warr is bad
chrome falcon
yes i know you have all of them jakey that's why you keep beating me by 100 dps dw i'm well aware
keeps me motivated 🙂
jagged pier
ive beaten u by more than 100 on most i think lithiumn is in that range
but crab prison my brain has turned off now
i only see crab
vernal vale
Might escape Easter with the in laws in time to get some more attempts at countermeasure this evening.
Cheers to that
foggy loom
vernal vale
ruby locust
Path not available and zug zug are the only wow terms I understand
cinder pasture
The amount of times I've seen "path not Available" right before I die.......
blazing condor
at least we dont have old heroic leap
where the cursor would move infinitely but you could only jump if it was within X yards
vernal vale
Oh boy i remember that
hollow gull
Codex of the first technique how does it perform on prot?
hollow gull
i'm using old warrior soul and i dont know what to use as a second trinket
blazing condor
aegis
blazing condor
yes
hollow gull
mmm ok ok
vernal vale
i only have it 239 is it worth?
Aegis preforms way above its ilvl because of how it absorbs
blazing condor
Im inting cus i cba with legion timewalking
Never done those dgs to begin with
More fun to deplete streets
brave stirrup
@jagged pier is that good? Haven’t seen it talked about before
vernal vale
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You either have insane luck or just run a lot.
jagged pier
You either have insane luck or just run a lot.
ive done like 15 runs roday
vernal vale
So a lot of runs. That was my plan if we had stayed home for Easter but we wound up visiting the inlaws
jagged pier
its like a 5 mins run
vernal vale
It's 2% better than anything else when I Sim it. But the drop is a good luck thing.
I did get windscar though
jagged pier
that doesnt seem to bad ither
i know it was nerfed
but it gets around the same damage as my sack
vernal vale
Windscar still Sims well in aoe
hardy ridge
How much of the damage is coming from the passive vs the crit it has
vernal vale
Single target it falls way back
jagged pier
pretty much mostly the Auto attack
vernal vale
So windscar is definitely niche buy has potential.
hardy ridge
When i droptimized, some other crit heavy rings were simming close to the one from court at the same ilvl
shut summit
yea its very minimal
woulda given me like a little over 22dps on last skolex kill
worth using if you can get it but thats up to how much you wana farm for it
vernal vale
Countermeasure seems like a better use of your time to chase for sure.
vernal vale
I wish I had that luck
jagged pier
gunna take me a while to upgrade it tho
vernal vale
Not like you have to spend the Valor all that many places in the grand scheme of things.
jagged pier
well yer its like the only thing i need
strong forum
Not even 10k smh
errant dagger
Does Necro cov extend also group buff? with the unity thing?
like if i have high uptime does the grp also have it?
scenic mural
no
blazing condor
only extends your own banner
lament musk
Hi #protection
blazing condor
hello critcake
lament musk
blazing condor
minor helm
blazing condor
-->
jagged pier
Not even 10k smh
yer but i have done it before 🤔
vocal geode
west walrus
Replace Patchwerk with the Jailer
torpid junco
How do I read this?
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/mugthol/kuzo?zone=25&new=true
Is this saying I’m playing pretty optimally since my % is high
torpid junco
How can I use this site to look for where I need to improve
jagged pier
u find a run thats logged and look at it
torpid junco
Hmm
jagged pier
this is terrible
torpid junco
That on me? What would cause that?
cinder nova
Might be more about you getting back hit
torpid junco
I could see that. Can’t block when hit from back?
lofty widget
hardly using reprisal, 2 intervenes over the entire dungeon
torpid junco
Where can you even find that info lol
lofty widget
go under casts at the top, click yourself
brave stirrup
can you still buy sinful gear for mog?
deft gazelle
just been trying NL this week, was just wondering if i dont have 100% uptime on the banner or close to 100 is it still worth playing?
i know it comes with practise
also have 4pc ^
lofty widget
it is worth it
chrome falcon
getting actual 100% uptime on banner in a key is very hard
probably impossible on like a 20 but i haven't made a serious attempt at it
lofty widget
i got 95 earlier, felt very proud 
deft gazelle
im trying my hardest to key chaining and pushing as fast as i can, ive only done a couple of 20s on this as its an alt with 257ilvl and a 226 shield 😦
deft gazelle
i got 95 earlier, felt very proud <:peepoHappy:673436349805625364>
95 seems very high though so gz
chrome falcon
226 shield 
deft gazelle
i know feelsbad
but i did get 278 stitchflesh signet, just need to replace these damn lfr tier sets 😂
thanks for replying so quick guys 😄
chrome falcon
@jagged pier how do you retain sanity on this boss please help
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> how do you retain sanity on this boss please help
i told you it will change
chrome falcon
our first kill on inerva mythic CN
discord died 5 seconds in
and it was the cleanest kill
dawn canyon
EZ
chrome falcon
so maybe i just mute myself
dawn canyon
you dont want your rl'ing to become white noise
chrome falcon
everything i say is white noise
urban portal
Me irl
jagged pier
its just a survive till the team does it correct fight for a tank
at least i get to carry the bomb at some point
jagged pier
🤷
cinder nova
i told you it will change
What boss
blazing condor
🦀 🤖
cinder nova
Mythic Halon sounds toxic
blazing condor
i feel like its one of those bosses that are cool in theory but will never work in practice because you cant expect 20 people not to drop the ball ever
and if they do its go agane
chrome falcon
well it's only 12 people
should probably get nerfed to 2 bombs per phase i'm surprised it hasn't yet
cinder nova
Have you tried reducing his hp to 0 before yours does
That's what I do, works every time
ebon geyser
when u go all the way to the runecarver but forgot to buy missives ...
median tulip
when u go all the way to the runecarver but forgot to buy missives ...
Done that so many times
ebon geyser
i was mad too
like literally asking why i cant make it
then i realize they where in the mail
jade falcon
hey my tank friends i have a problem i dont know what i have to prefer shieldblock or ignor pain i get so much dmg but dont know how to avoid that :> 😦
jagged pier
should probably get nerfed to 2 bombs per phase i'm surprised it hasn't yet
its already pretty nerfed as bombs can be left in mechanics
jagged pier
Mythic Halon sounds toxic
can always watch my low budget stream of me breaking orbs then getting one shot cause bomb fuck up
chrome falcon
Yeah it's very doable but only 174 kills on wowprog like... 2 months into prog
jagged pier
no nerf please
chrome falcon
Is crazy low for a 7th boss
jagged pier
as much as im like
i do enjoy it
and we are getting closer to intermission 2
look the 1 key to the boss as a tank
chrome falcon
Yeah i get you it's a hard fight to nerf without making it kinda free
jagged pier
is to just dont get angry at the one shots
its will happen
nothing u can do about it
chrome falcon
yeah for sure everyone has to have that attitude
cinder nova
Speed run the hospital visit
jagged pier
we dont atm
jagged pier
its what better for the guild
we have calls for back ups sometimes
but our discord is pretty quiet out side of back ups etc
chrome falcon
also
you need to have 6 pairs of people who can be in a private call for 3 hours
doing a hard mechanic
without making each other gquit
which some guilds legit don't have
chrome falcon
yeah like that fight has to get gutted in a few weeks/months because it's not fair for shitter guilds that still want to see the second half of the raid
or new guilds that are still finding their groove
jagged pier
why does content have to be made around ppl that cant do it,
if u cant do it
u cant do it
wicked ridge
^
chrome falcon
sure i agree for first few months
but we're gonna be in this patch for a MINUTE
so at some point it needs to be doable for less good players
jagged pier
or
ppl just get better
theres lots of bosses where they didnt nerf it
and just said u gotta beat it
if ppl just put in the effort halondrus is doable for most guilds imo
like the fight is very u drop the bomb at the same time
pick up at the same time
and u stand around the same place every pull
its just somthing to get used to
violet sinew
What’s prots priority rotation like, does it feel smooth? I have been playing veg DH and boy is that terrible compared to paladin
chrome falcon
you press shield slam then you press revenge until you get a shield slam proc it's great
mighty valley
it's v fast, every gcd filled plus constantly pressing off GCD buttons to burn rage
violet sinew
Hmm the speed is what I like the look of, the mobility is pretty good too
mighty valley
Every time I play a tank that has to walk places I hate it
jagged pier
its the highest APM in the game
dusky canopy
Should I even bother with heirmir? i guess 4end 1pot 1fin could be a "Tanky" build yeah?
blazing condor
marileth gang
dusky canopy
thats what ive been doing just getting 2 cents
blazing condor
dont fix what aint broke
maiden ravine
nope
chrome falcon
4end sounds terrible
torpid junco
How much should I be blocking in keys ?
scenic mural
yeah we dont even have 4 good end lol
chrome falcon
anything below 75% blocked is a serious problem
blazing condor
How much should I be blocking in keys ?
with reprisal and without HR 80+%
half cave
What you guys think about prot in wrath? Really enjoying it now but don’t wanna get skipped for a tank spot.
blazing condor
i was like 8 years old at the time i have no idea
ya boy was probably farming hill giants in osrs at the time
mighty valley
back then it was just school runescape
chrome falcon
i love prot in wrath but wrath classic playerbase will probably be giga toxic elitist so have fun learning dk
torpid junco
What’s the best way to check block %
blazing condor
back then it was just school runescape
o shit u right
chrome falcon
logs->damage taken->melee
blazing condor
What’s the best way to check block %
logs. go to damage taken > melee > hover over "hits"
torpid junco
How do you upload a log
mighty valley
count every melee attack that happens to you out loud, write down on a notepad when you don't block one, then do some math afterwards to get the percentage. show your work
mighty valley
new idea: shield wall blocks back hits, blocking a back hit extends the duration of shield wall
urban portal
is that the
jagged pier
How do you upload a log
How do i log ?
So, if you have been here for a while, you may have noticed that whenever somebody ask for advice we ask them for a log, and if you’re new you might have no idea what that means or how to get one so :
🔸 First, download Loggerhead (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/loggerhead) or ERT (https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/exorsus-raid-tools)
Once you have one of these any time you enter a zone where you might want a log (ie dungeon/raid/torghast) these addons will automatically start logging (in the case of ERT you have to activate automated logging in the options).
Alternatively if you don’t want to install an addon for it, whenever you are going to do an activity you want to log type /combatlog in chat to start logging said activity.
Remember to activate advanced logging in the options (System -> Network -> Advanced Combat Logging)
All these options will store your logs in your wow file inside the retail folder and the log file.
🔸 Second, go here (https://www.warcraftlogs.com/client/download) download the client. Select the live section of the client, select the upload a log button and select the fight you’re interested in putting up as a log and boom you’re done.
🔸 Third, once you’ve done all this, your log is uploaded you can put it up here and we can look at it together to see if you’re doing something wrong.
If you wish look at your own log Jakey made a nice little video explaining what we look at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1tRp8lULT8
jagged pier
:/
chrome falcon
halondrus causes severe disassociation in tanks please be kind
torpid junco
Awesome. Thank you
jagged pier
well its not wrong
that was basically my lithium kill
rank 2 out of 6 or somthing
blazing condor
top 33% baybee
torpid junco
Bout to hit 3k but now I’m feeling like a noob
jagged pier
3k aint that hard with tier set and/or if u have a group
blazing condor
Too bad my fort week is doodoo
jagged pier
anyone use this ask a tank? [Pocket Protoforge]
hasty heath
Big no eh? lol
jagged pier
its a worse scale
chilly brook
well its not wrong
it's like rank 4 out of 2925
jagged pier
pog
chilly brook
good old heroic guardian lmao
dusky canopy
How are you guys feeling about Stalwart Guardian
its good yeah but like with 2pc i feel like Brutal vitality gives more value
dusky canopy
my SW is up constantly
jagged pier
brutal vitality
gives no value
it doesnt go past cap
as u overcapp all the time
itsa useless
dusky canopy
i mean yeah fair enough
chilly brook
brutal vitality
I'm gonna run a few keys with it today
dusky canopy
the absorb gets used up in 1 or 2 hits
chilly brook
and log
dusky canopy
so BV has no chance to even activate
chilly brook
it did seem impactful when I was running it
graceful mason
I just noticed our sim doesnt does use 1gcd to fleshcraft to keep +120mastery up 99% of the time
only has 40% uptime
:|
sullen tangle
Really makes me sad that my undergeared pally is doing more damage overall than my geared prot warrior
golden pollen
Hey have I haven't really played since early expansion, how does prot feel now compare to only having 1 leggo, and does the scaling feel like we have those corruption gear back in BFA where it feels fun?
golden pollen
We getting back to similar to glad?
cinder storm
Not as fun as pwar BfA but better than SL S1-S2
lofty widget
it's the most fun warrior has been in a long long time imo
golden pollen
Looks like I can resub and enjoy wow
lofty widget
a lot more fun than bfa
golden pollen
Usually haven't seen this much positivity on discord, means the spec is now fun
I just hope I don't get bored cause of torghast grind for legendaries :(
cinder storm
Can always buy cinders from zereth mortis vendor
golden pollen
From BFA corruption to S1, prot feels so bad to play I just couldn't continue, plus the daily / weekly felt too much like a chore to keep up, hope it's not as bad now
ocean yoke
tbh theres the least grind there has been in quite a while right now
cinder storm
Yeah, it's basically two wq now and a mini game, can't complain, I hate dailies but even I feel wanting an extra one
golden pollen
What about torghast? Still mandatory for legendaries?
Cause that's kinda one of those weekly thing I dreaded to do with limited playtime
cinder storm
There's a vendor in the new zone that sells thorgast souls after hitting honored, can craft one leggo I believe
Thorgast is easier now with more gear
golden pollen
Oh that's not bad so it's just a bit grindy in the first week or so
cinder storm
You also get your unity belt after finishing campaign so yeah, it's not bad rn
golden pollen
I liked running the vision than torghast
lofty widget
torghast is repeatable now, and you get enough to make a rank 6 leggo from 2 runs
golden pollen
Felt like the design for vision is kinda fun
ocean yoke
resources from torghast got increased by quite a bit too
torpid junco
You can buy cinders? What’s the cost ?
sullen tangle
2k flux
ocean yoke
3k cosmic flux buys enough cinders and ash for max rank leggo
golden pollen
Oh sweet, that means I if I no life a bit I can start doing 15+ keys in two weeks
ocean yoke
for sure
golden pollen
Just gotta get over that io hurdle lol
ocean yoke
dont be afraid of rocking a slightly lower ilvl legendary if youre limited for a bit by gold/resources etc, the effect is so, so much more important than some more ilvl on one piece
ocean yoke
how dare you take that tone with your leaders
grave crane
God damn people are wild in pugs
chilly brook
God damn people are wild in pugs
yep lmao
grave crane
Also how’s everyone else dying to reclaim your fault. That’s a healer/personal problem
ocean yoke
shoutout to that dk though
chilly brook
Also how’s everyone else dying to reclaim your fault. That’s a healer/personal p...
idk
ocean yoke
fucking tank was .27 m to the left than usual only reason i parsed 27 instead of 97
chilly brook
fucking tank was .27 m to the left than usual only reason i parsed 27 instead of...
kekw
grave crane
fucking tank was .27 m to the left than usual only reason i parsed 27 instead of...
I have 100% heroic leaped during halondrus to hit a ball and clapped a healer lol so I started just intervening and telling people to move
Obviously owned up to that when the RL asked why he died
vernal vale
What you guys think about prot in wrath? Really enjoying it now but don’t wanna ...
Prot excelled during ICC but before that it was all dk and paladin that I remember.
golden pollen
DK was good in wrath
Just cause they can do good DPs while tanking
Frost presences made any DK spec tank viable lol
Prot warrior feels weird on 25nax
But good after tocc
dark lark
Holy shit @chilly brook
chilly brook
Holy shit <@133532617940140032>
vernal vale
<a:ratJAMMIN:942821743456837632>
Just dance your way to victory and link dps meters on his bad play.
uncut notch
<@179993058186625025> Wanna see a story told in pictures?
Fucking sensational