Vers is not as important as people make it out to be
#protection
median tulip
mighty egret
haste and sprinkles of everything else
lunar merlin
Nah im at 20% ish amd doing 16/17s no problem so wanna stack more haste
median tulip
Shield Block is significantly more important than Vers
chrome falcon
Yeah vers is a very mediocre stat you shouldn’t be looking to get a certain amount or anything
median tulip
with what?
chrome falcon
Scale
median tulip
oh
chrome falcon
And no
median tulip
I don't use Scale
chrome falcon
No double on use
median tulip
I use double techniques
chrome falcon
Double on use makes both trinkets wors
lunar merlin
Thought so so scale codex for me
median tulip
I have a Scale; it's for if I need an on-use to ride a specific damage spike in a raid fight. I don't wear it in M+
but yeah... secret & first techniques for me. I'd consider an AFE, but the only one I have is low ilvl
lunar merlin
Scale is just a huge threat machine in m+ and a big absorb on trash
median tulip
Honestly, I have Fleshcraft, I'm not sure I need another big absorb on trash
median tulip
You should try Necro. I was a Kyrian advocate, but I tried Necro, and it's amazing
lunar merlin
Nah i just prefer self reliant rage generation etc for pugging
waxen ridge
Whats the take on Sepulchers Savior?
median tulip
Whats the take on Sepulchers Savior?
given equal ilvls it's ok. If I had both it and a haste sheild at the same ilvl, I would use SS for raids and the haste shield for M+
waxen ridge
Thank you
median tulip
If it's your highest ilvl shield, use it
Don't stress too much either way about having it or not
waxen ridge
i have a 268 m+ shield and just have SS drop at 265.
median tulip
I'd stick with the 268
waxen ridge
Thank you for the input
waxen ridge
i like the idea of on use but they should make it worth it\
median tulip
It's all about the block, 'bout the block
lunar merlin
The block isnt worth it either really though is the problen
queen willow
Whats the take on Sepulchers Savior?
Its trash, give it to a Fury Warrior.
median tulip
Like I say, given equal ilvls I would raid with it
lunar merlin
No chance ive tested and its terrible, it doesnt give you pretty much anything. Stats way better
ocean yoke
mucho revenge and slams
sacred timber
then again there was like 9.8k sanguine healing cause fuck sanguine and having to run away but still
chrome falcon
You should not be needing scale to generate threat
Also yeah saviour is totally fine, I think it’s better in raid and a bit worse in m+
The idea that block isn’t worth anything is pretty excessive
But yeah if you’re using a whole trinket slot just for snap threat every 2 minutes when we already have ravager AND challenging shout
That’s not a good use of a trinket slot
sacred timber
I miss necrotic week ;-;
ocean yoke
wasnt paying attention and used ITF for a key instead of ravager the threat was much missed
chrome falcon
@lunar merlin if you prefer self-reliance and rage generation you should be playing necro
Like if you’re worried about pugs letting you down, why not play the covenant that makes you a shitload tankier
shell shale
Had fun time with DesMephisto
mighty egret
Like if you’re worried about pugs letting you down, why not play the covenant th...
this^
nocturne sage
what's the uptime that yall aim for banner in raid?
vernal vale
what's the uptime that yall aim for banner in raid?
The aim is 100% on bosses
chilly brook
simply not presing enough buttons
maiden ravine
I think I've found my favorite warrior tank in WoW. I'm actually sorta impressed this guy sticks with keys so long. 3 hours in a 15 SD...
scenic mural
LOL
mighty egret
rough
blazing condor
He just happy to be invited
chilly brook
any of you guys obliterated people with 4p yet?
In pvp?
Nah
I know Matta has been for a while tho
uncut notch
any of you guys obliterated people with 4p yet?
Yeah I did a few rounds of arena and rbg
It’s very broken and will get hard nerfed
Having a big oneshot burst is nothing new but I think the fact that it’s available in two global is why it’s a problem, banner, str pot, avatar, bang.
I didn’t bother with half the shit rextroy did for stat stacking and would just avatar and banner and even if you didn’t kill people they’d be so low you could execute them before they realised what’s happening
urban portal
I mean you aren't exactly squishy either is the thing
timber dagger
it will be fun if 4 set bonus change into something like, avatar 10% dr/damage + you get 2set bonus, everytime you activate 2 set bonus, you get spell reflect for 3 seconds
warr tank no longer suffer from magic damage
:))
strong forum
That sounds extremely bandaidy
cinder dirge
Am I the only one thinking here that double legendary Necrolord made us stronger than actual 2 and 4 bonus set ?
It feels like the 4P is literally built around "Glory" leggo and you'd be a mad man to try to tank high keys without being NL
Instead of being the Double leggo being build around 4P
Does it make sense ? I'm sorry for bad English
strong forum
You're defo not mad for tanking as non-Necro in high keys
It's just a happy coincidence that they haven't nerfed glory for us and that it works so well together with tier
They did nerf it for fury warrior, we just aren't important enough
summer gorge
Having a big oneshot burst is nothing new but I think the fact that it’s availab...
You mean like convoke? XD
blazing condor
Blizzard dont know warriors have a tank spec too
hard vessel
Nah I mean they buffed us twice this patch
dusty gate
Would you guys recommend necrolord over Kyrian for someone exclusively pugging mythic +?
lime urchin
hello frens
dusty gate
I have 2 piece as well, might give it a try
blazing condor
I have 2 piece as well, might give it a try
it has high defensive value you dont really feel squishy
and having banner up is nice
lime urchin
I wasted some rage, and I am not sure about the CPM
blazing condor
maybe someone can point out some points where I can improve to get some higher d...
yeah you're about 15-20 CPM short
you have low revenge casts
and you overcap a lot of rage with shield slam
lime urchin
so maybe a lil more IP smashing before a shieldslammer?
jagged pier
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xz4L7ygp8DhbnZ9R#fight=last&type=damage-don...
the fuck is this?
lime urchin
uh oh, I dont know
jagged pier
So your not pressing buttons and your wasting the rage u dont have
lime urchin
yes, I was afraid so
what is that screenshot Jakey?
oh wasted rage
so, focus a bit more on not rage cappin with shieldslamming with IP, and more revenj?
and do more shieldslammin
and automaticly the CPM will go up
blazing condor
idk if its a mental block or unluck but i just cant time keys over 20s
22 top died on last 5% of the boss
21 gambit died on last boss
smh my head !!!
also streets died on last boss
summer gorge
Not just click click dead
o.o I've died to it in 0.4 seconds, Also died to feral version when they use stun->convoke.
~Also question, since I've not had it happen to me, if you get disarmed can you still shield slam?
lofty widget
you cannot
dawn canyon
So in a real game you wont get that oneshot through with half aware people
jagged pier
i mean they press a defensive, and your SS wont kill
dawn canyon
I see a pwar i just take disarm and press my defensives and or call for sac and im fine
jagged pier
u can just die by
blazing condor
simply just dodge
blazing condor
Alt f4
tardy lily
hello, i have two questions, 1 of being being me running out of brainjuice....
Ignore Pain reduces all dmg taken, right? Magic dmg as well, right?
And regarding Conqueror's Banner/Necro ability, how big is the distance a person needs to be in order ot get the buff? Does the person need to be in the same group during raid, or can it be any raid member within that range?
forest fern
I believe the banner is the two closest members of the raid/party at the time of cast
sweet summit
closes 3 friendly players - regardless of party/raid
i think max range is like 20 yards or something, could be more but usually not something you need to keep in mind
forest fern
does it actively update as they move closer or further from it, or is it an on cast selection, i have no xp with it was just reading the tooltip 🙂
tardy lily
i dont think that it is an "aura", that's at least my guess
also thanks for the answers :D
forest fern
ahkay that's what i figured, so make sure the people you want to have it are close when you cast it etc then who cares
well yeah true, I guess just when he mentioned raids maybe it is something you would on occasion want to try optimise with the cooldowns of other nearby players
though the benefit isn't probably worth the hassle
well i more meant, "hey you're a melee class and you benefit insanely from your mastery, stand closer to me right....now!"
dapper fjord
Why is everyone necro in M+. My feelycraft told me fae was the best covenant.
For both dps and survivability.
sweet summit
big fuck mastery huge uptime+fleshcraft good
blazing condor
Fleshcraft nice but most casts i just kinda tap it for the buff
At least in cb
Maybe worth to hardcast every now and then tho idrk
sweet summit
hardcasting to consume the flesh of my enemies 
sweet summit
np
hard vessel
How strong is our 4pc compared to our 2pc? Felt a massive survive and dps increase since I got 2pc this week
wispy tapir
The 4p just makes everything even better. More outbursts esp playing Anger Management. It’s a lot of fun.
vernal vale
hello, i have two questions, 1 of being being me running out of brainjuice....
I...
Honestly ignore trying to line up banner for others its a 22% strength bonus plus a ton of mastery for you and thats the important part.
quick elk
How liberal are ppl using shield wall? was thinking i probably dont use it enough , especially with the rage gen from 4 set. but then its only 8 seconds and feel like really just there to save for either a tank buster or give SB time to recharge ?
chrome falcon
it has like no cooldown so yeah you don't really have to hold it
just let it rip
obviously that's only in m+
in raid you should know when you're going to use SW every pull
dawn canyon
think "do i need it next pull" if not you can generally use it
quick elk
when will 8 seconds of 50% DR be a life saving, i think maybe i maybe underselling sw. but most pulls last like 45-60 seconds . 8 seconds seem a bit short.
blazing condor
How liberal are ppl using shield wall? was thinking i probably dont use it enou...
with AM and tier (and urh) it has like no cooldown whatsoever
so feel free to use it
i could defo use it more though
quick elk
are there some pulls you can point out so i can get my head around it
chrome falcon
50% DR is literally THE most DR you can get in the entire game
chrome falcon
I mean if you're only doing low keys then yeah you could do the whole key without ever pressing it
Any time you die in a key it's normally going to be 100->0 within 8 seconds I can't really tell you when to use it
Just use it when you're taking a lot of damage so you take less damage
quick elk
yeah, have a think. normally you need to know before you take the dmg to use it. ill do some more keys to get a better feel for it. thanks all
median tulip
How liberal are ppl using shield wall? was thinking i probably dont use it enou...
In M+ I generally know which pulls I am going to use it on. On Fortified that generally means every pull TBH
tardy lily
Do The Wall legendary and AM work additive? 🤔 i know reprisal is better but i wanna first get used to all the other stuff before i minmax reprisal with the jumping out and charging back in etc. to keep uptime on SB
strong forum
Ofc they work together
They're 2 entirely independent ways of reducing SW CD
1 is with pressing shield slam
the other is with spending rage
tardy lily
nice, thank you :)
quick elk
In M+ I generally know which pulls I am going to use it on. On Fortified that ge...
eek thats alot more than i do. im saving for when something goes wrong. thanks for the feedback
median tulip
It's a really really short cooldown if you're rage cycling properly
How to Warrior:
Step 1: Be Angry
Step 2: More Angry
Step 3: Too Angry To Die
quick elk
ahhhh its step 3 i have yet to master, i must not be angry enough! 🙂
blazing condor
@sweet summit ty i held w and timed my next key
sweet summit
np man happy to help
opal escarp
hey what cd combo are you guys using on the rygelon soak?
jagged pier
SW
cerulean wyvern
How often are you guys using last stand?
strong forum
Pretty much on CD
mental scarab
Last stand is a dps cd with ravager 
spam that revenge
cerulean wyvern
Makes sense. Thanks!
I don’t normally tank anything, but when I do tank I want to maximize dps and survivability.
Is necrolord the play for raid? What about for m+. Mix between kyrian and necro?
cerulean wyvern
Ahh ok. Perfect. Thanks.
sturdy sable
Easy bear incarn flashbacks
The diff being no ones talking bout pwar so we fly under the radar 😎
hard vessel
There is no bear in top 20 m+ tanks, but a prot Warr, so bears are official worst tanks now
cinder nova
Kek
sturdy sable
Its official
humble tendon
i think not even top 40
grave crane
That’s cause all the bears switched to prot pally
blazing condor
Who actually wanna stay a bear if theyre not needed
grave crane
i only play bear for the sick green skin
pliant sage
And I farmed Torghast to get mats for Reprisal. Done.
blazing condor
pog
vernal vale
I'm sad. Officially busy all weekend because Easter. No ability to run a bunch of m+. No farming countermeasure.
jagged pier
I'm sad. Officially busy all weekend because Easter. No ability to run a bunch o...
C:
chrome falcon
delete this
cinder storm
my issue with meta changing so much.
-Lock on a 20 has a note "4pc"
Proceeds to do 11k overall, same happens on a 19
-Lock applies on a 18 does 18k hoa
I have boomy s1 flashbacks, many ppl using a class bc its meta, few understand the class
blazing condor
meta changing is cancer
99% of every fotm players are sub-par compared to a non-fotm class with the same rio
vernal vale
^
I've said it many times a player playing what they enjoy will typically do better than one just trying to be meta.
cinder storm
^
cinder nova
That's why I love my RL
She says play what you want, just pull your weight
If you're not pulling your weight, then we got a problem
vernal vale
I had a guild master back during Cataclysm who used to say and I quote. "We can fix your gear, we cannot fix stupid."
Most laid back well progressing guild I've ever been in.
sturdy sable
That's why I love my RL
This should be all guild masters
strong forum
There is no bear in top 20 m+ tanks, but a prot Warr, so bears are official wors...
It was official once they nerfed bear tier by another 35%
humble tendon
resto druid though is just fine
sturdy sable
Yeah but who the fuck wants to heal
ebon geyser
so i need advice since we have EU and NA ppl here, im moving to EU for maybe 3yrs and i wanna know should i bite the bullet and get wow in EU or keep playing NA?
chilly brook
Oh, my RL also doesn't like mango
I don't like mangos either
sturdy sable
Run some keys with a OCE group to gauge how bad the lags gonna be and make a decision from there
ebon geyser
depends if you want to play with like 200 ping on a good day
i dont know jack from EU so
i dont wanna lag
lol
cinder nova
Griff is dead to me I'm putting him on ignore
ebon geyser
now if i have wow and shadowlands do i need to buy eu version
blazing condor
so much for the 19 lol
damn lol. Better luck next 
vernal vale
so i need advice since we have EU and NA ppl here, im moving to EU for maybe 3yr...
I used to play with a German who played Feral druid. The guy was very good but some nights the lag would show in his play.
ebon geyser
finding a guild with the new times is gonna suk
vernal vale
Good internet and a decent computer playing at 300latency is doable.
I lived in a small town with shit internet for years played with 300-1000 ms consistantly and still did well.
ebon geyser
thing is if the situation is i need toplay eu i think i should start already
vernal vale
Just have to be really solid in knowing how to play spec and know the fights.
cinder nova
Can you buy xfer over a region?
vernal vale
I don't think you can
cinder nova
Bwomp
vernal vale
Might be worth a look
ebon geyser
i mean i know some streamers do it and have toons in both sides but i know im not coming back for a bit
i also know the new expac i will def be in EU
strong forum
10.0 prep-patch would be the best move to swap regions
Technically speaking
Unless ofc you gotta swap sooner
ebon geyser
yeah i was looking at times too
starting raid at 6pm will put me on midninght on est
vernal vale
Probably depend on the guild.
chilly brook
Wiped on last boss of gambit
still timed with 35 seconds left
Chain pulling murlocs like crazy
vernal vale
Chain pulling Murlocs is good. My issue is someone always gets stupid there and chases
blazing condor
thats what happens when you nerf 2nd boss in SoA
no time to prepare
people don't know how to dodge
vernal vale
Stars are easy to Dodge.
vernal vale
Bigger problem is the dragon boss for me. Never seem to manage that one well.
blazing condor
its a messy boss
plucky hearth
Is faulty good for prot?
blazing condor
also very dependant on where your team places the cannonballs
lofty widget
Is faulty good for prot?
very good on pure ST
chilly brook
also very dependant on where your team places the cannonballs
yep
plucky hearth
So raid not m+
chilly brook
and when you have ranged standing out in africa it gets messy
vernal vale
Cannonballs are always in bad spots
chilly brook
cannonballs only go to bad spots if the DPS don't stack in convenient places
like ranged shouldn't be spread
chilly brook
Got a sick goblin rocket jump to get to the next mob in that gambit so I could keep banner rolling @blazing condor
caught it on vidya
vernal vale
Goblin go zoom
blazing condor
Got a sick goblin rocket jump to get to the next mob in that gambit so I could k...
yo actually pog
idk if this even is the meta
but doing it like this is kinda easy
ranged just putting shit to the wall
chilly brook
ideally yea
blazing condor
balling
minor helm
ebon geyser
on english speaking EU servers andgo
ebon geyser
Finally got crab boi
how u got that
chilly brook
how u got that
AOTC
vernal vale
Crab Mount is cool I want.
ebon geyser
median tulip
my issue with meta changing so much.
-Lock on a 20 has a note "4pc"
Proceeds to ...
I want an addon that shows me what someone's rating was in the season before their spec became meta
cinder storm
Hopefully people start to figure that out.
Stopping 5s sometimes is the difference between timing a key or not, take 5s to mark right side of the boss, tell ranged to stack there and once you take the boss, move him to the corner so it's tail is touching the water, that boss is way to ez without melees, if you take one just tell them to also stack on the boss side
vernal vale
Stopping 5s sometimes is the difference between timing a key or not, take 5s to ...
Yeah, I've done that and had some good runs but other times people just go pew pew
blazing condor
idk whats changed but wow is crazy laggy when i try and stream it now
didnt used to be like that
sadge
vernal vale
I got new internet last month that should be faster. I should try streaming again.
chilly brook
ez 2 chest on a 19 mists
vernal vale
Then you can all laugh at my terrible play in real time instead of just through logs.
blazing condor
that's the dream
vernal vale
ez 2 chest on a 19 mists
I need to quit running with guildies. Runs turn bad way to often.
blazing condor
im kinda in the same boat
chilly brook
lol
blazing condor
wanna push higher but can't with the premades i have
chilly brook
yea I don't really run with guildies outside of a few
and if I do break that rule it's just for 15s/16s
vernal vale
I want to push up to 20s. Only one person in my guild has that ability.
I did more dps than both hunters in a run last night in a 15NW
Healer bailed on us after he died to fixation on stitchflesh
chilly brook
I only did 11.9k in that dungeon smh
vernal vale
You make me look bad at 9k
chilly brook
Well now I have two dungeons recorded
vernal vale
That's when im having a good day most often I'm lower than that.
chilly brook
So I should be able to edit those
ebon geyser
i log on my guild it was only me, it has been like that for hours, talk about raid logging 
blazing condor
my guild is mega dead
vernal vale
Do it and share. I'll watch them so I can play better @chilly brook
My guild isn't dead but a full third of our raid team only gets on for raid.
chilly brook
Do it and share. I'll watch them so I can play better <@133532617940140032>
I was catching so many of my own mistakes while playing lol
overiding outburst procs, wasting on TC etc.
vernal vale
You can see lots of issues by recording.
I used to do that in cataclysm. I need to get back to it.
errant wagon
Do yall run Best Served Cold or Booming Voice for row 3 of talents once you have tier?
Focusing on M+ performance...
My intuition tells me Booming Voice to amplify upfront damage in a pull once Avatar is used, but I'm unsure.
blazing condor
you go Booming Voice because of the rage gain
so you can funnel your outburst and banner uptime
errant wagon
Kyrian 😛
blazing condor
well outburst then
errant wagon
but i have been intrigued in banner it sounds fun
blazing condor
it's pretty fun
errant wagon
Is the DPS output comparable/better if you are good at sustaining it?
or is it more about the greater good of the team
(or both)
vernal vale
Is the DPS output comparable/better if you are good at sustaining it?
Does less burst more on bosses. A sustained amount on trash.
vernal vale
overiding outburst procs, wasting on TC etc.
Last time I recorded my gameplay was way back in MoP for raid.
errant wagon
Cool cool. Thanks to both of you 🙂
blazing condor
gotem
errant wagon
Another thing... I'm also having trouble finding answers on what to spend Outburst on in regards to multi-target pulls in M+.
Is there a turning point where you would rather spend outburst on Thunder Clap over Shield Slam in regards to pull size?
Or like if you have avatar up, it empowers thunder clap, so do you focus spending on that
blazing condor
Another thing... I'm also having trouble finding answers on what to spend Outbur...
Nope always wanna put it on Shield slam
because the rage gained will net you more damage in form of revenge
than the damage of TC
errant wagon
Aye aye cap'n
If you time things really poorly, like you just used shield slam, then gained outburst sitting on a 4 second shield slam CD
is it better to wait or just spend on TC
chilly brook
gotem
man was high if he thought I was gonna be fine with 2 24 second CD kicks and a minute one or however long boomie is
errant wagon
so it's on CD
thanks king
sage yacht
but i have been intrigued in banner it sounds fun
super fun
vernal vale
If you time things really poorly, like you just used shield slam, then gained ou...
Attempt to get a reset with revenge with what rage you do have. So you can shield slam for lots of extra rage
chilly brook
but i have been intrigued in banner it sounds fun
extremely fun
errant wagon
❤️
ty all
yea I'ma try banner tonight
Kinda tilted with Spear anyways with sanguine week
I keep pulling them back into pools
sage yacht
im a dps main but i prefer necro prot in keys anyday
sage yacht
perfect time to get used to necro then
errant wagon
yup!
vernal vale
Necro is all I'm playing as prot now. Have 0 regrets.
errant wagon
I've just been a little intimidated by the known hectic game play style, prot is already like, the most mentally taxxing spec in WoW
vernal vale
GM is all pissy because phial is apparently most important thing in the world but he can deal.
errant wagon
but muscle memory is pretty solidified now so time to step it up
sage yacht
GM is all pissy because phial is apparently most important thing in the world bu...
bro what
thats so 
vernal vale
but muscle memory is pretty solidified now so time to step it up
Focus on just playing well. Less on your seeing red stacks. I was overpaying attention and it cost me.
vernal vale
unless youre like a top 20 guild i wouldnt give a rats ass about that
Yeah, but he told me not to shield slam again last night because our pally lost threat this week so.... yeah
I've known the guy for a decade and am actively looking for a new guild now.
blazing condor
Yeah, but he told me not to shield slam again last night because our pally lost ...
tell him to tell your pala to get better
errant wagon
Focus on just playing well. Less on your seeing red stacks. I was overpaying att...
Thanks for this. Yea I recently got my tier and setup some WA's to track red stacks and it's just so much to stack ontop of already tracking Shield blocks, IP, reprisal applications... lol
sage yacht
find a new guild man
errant wagon
I think trying to keep track of seeing red makes me play worse, so I'll worry about that later
vernal vale
Our paladin raid logs only. I tried to push that the paladin needs to get m+ in and was told it wouldn't happen.
vernal vale
find a new guild man
I'm trying. Willing to dps even at this point. Problem is not many melee spots open it seems.
vernal vale
We are only 7/11 heroic because they wanted more normal clears. For 4p. Which I advocated was a waste of time.
Tier was the only potential help from normal for those of us who where not raid logging.
sturdy sable
I mean pre creation catty it was not a waste of time
sage yacht
hmm that’s debatable, my guild still did normal until like 2 weeks ago now we still clear hc tier bosses
but rn with creation catalyst it be a waste
vernal vale
The problem is most people had tier.
sage yacht
yea
vernal vale
But the gm wanted everyone to have 4p
sage yacht
and it also really depends how fast youre clearing through it
sturdy sable
Well if pally had 4p hed be atleast judging every 3s
Might be enough to hold threat
vernal vale
Yeah, that was my thought but they didn't believe me. Hence why I went to paladin discord.
Then screenshot and linked that conversation to the entire guild.
chrome falcon
you have to be next level bad to lose aggro as paladin
sturdy sable
I mean
chrome falcon
just press judgement
sturdy sable
According to paladin discord he's just bad.
Hell according to the warrior discord hes bad
chrome falcon
i hit 2 50k shield slams in 2 globals and my co-tank still held threat it's really not that hard
sage yacht
Then screenshot and linked that conversation to the entire guild.
well you got the same thing here kekw
vernal vale
Just hoping to find a new guild soon at this point.
sturdy sable
I mean my 250 ppal does like 6k in st with no tier and kyrian
vernal vale
I mean my 250 ppal does like 6k in st with no tier and kyrian
Our prot pally does 3k dps
chrome falcon
no shot
vernal vale
I have no idea. I was even more casual in CN to raid with my wife and give her a chance to play.
chrome falcon
3k is insane
i don't even know how you do 3k
that's like... auto attacks and consecrate
vernal vale
Don't push buttons that's how
chrome falcon
man isn't pressing his buttons
can you link his logs or something i could use a laugh
vernal vale
Yeah, sure
I know I played bad this week.
Was too focused on the new 4p
He did do better than I thought but the fact that I took threat he is still doing something wrong.
He also apparently has no survival buttons for livium combo. Fell over 3 times on that fight. I was slow on taunt but I never died taking it solo.
frosty ridge
Yeah, but he told me not to shield slam again last night because our pally lost ...
it's like, if your partner's leg is broken, the solution is no to heal the guy, it's to break your leg as well, so he's not left behind. ridiculous
ocean yoke
i feel like you should have more than 5 casts of consecrate as a prot pally
vernal vale
i feel like you should have more than 5 casts of consecrate as a prot pally
Definitely should
ocean yoke
just a hunch tho
vernal vale
But I play warrior. Warrior is not meta. So how could I know anything about paladin.
ocean yoke
true youre an idiot for playing it ofc
chrome falcon
he cast ashen once on your lihuvim kill
and it did 12k damage?
that's one tick of ashen
holy shit you're right
he doesn't cast consecrate
does he know that that's one of his most important spells?
vernal vale
I don't think so.
ocean yoke
if only you were kyrian hed die less
vernal vale
Hopefully you got your laugh @chrome falcon
ocean yoke
its only a little bit core to their surviving
chrome falcon
it's like one of their most important spells?
frosty ridge
they need to stand in it. just a bit
ocean yoke
only a big perma dr no biggie
vernal vale
Hell if you got your laugh out of my play I'll call it a success.
chrome falcon
he's casting consecrate over 9 minutes less than i cast intervene over 2
ocean yoke
ive looked for about 1.5 minutes and im losing count of problems
vernal vale
only a big perma dr no biggie
Might explain why he's so spiky on his health lol
chrome falcon
this is criminal behaviour
ocean yoke
and none of them are you
chrome falcon
he cast guardian zero times on lihuvim
this dude could play on a controller and lose 0 effectiveness
he's pressing like 4 buttons
ocean yoke
on halondrus he cast flash of light more than consecrate lol
chrome falcon
and HOW do you only do 12k damage with ashen hallow on a 9 minute fight
frosty ridge
if you rip aggro from him, maybe it will be a wake up call to read a guide. some people are motivated like that. unless RL intervenes and says you're the problem.
vernal vale
Paladin is an officer. So he's not the problem. I'm being told not to play optimally. Hence the search for a new guild.
ocean yoke
honestly is he a clicker?
chrome falcon
honestly just direct him to this channel so we can all point and laugh (probably don't do this)
dawn canyon
Issue is if you point at it they might be snappy and not want to improve
vernal vale
He onky logs on for raid. I doubt he would go to the paladin discord if I told him too.
vernal vale
Issue is if you point at it they might be snappy and not want to improve
Based on conversation with him and GM this week that is the case.
ocean yoke
it does show in his lowest ilvl
vernal vale
He has run 0 m+
ebon geyser
He also apparently has no survival buttons for livium combo. Fell over 3 times o...
he has shield or right,ardent,kings, bubble , externals
dawn canyon
Guild better off with a new tank
vernal vale
Even our most casual m+ people do a few mid range ones and upgrade with valor
vernal vale
he has shield or right,ardent,kings, bubble , externals
Apparently not
blazing condor
not doing m+ is very int tbh
ocean yoke
Guild better off with a new tank
even more dame better off with a new guild
frosty ridge
Even our most casual m+ people do a few mid range ones and upgrade with valor
gear won't fix him
ocean yoke
but finding tank spots is definitely a bitch and a half if youre wanting to jump right in as it
vernal vale
gear won't fix him
It certainly wouldn't hurt though.
vernal vale
but finding tank spots is definitely a bitch and a half if youre wanting to jump...
I'm willing to dps at this point.
chrome falcon
i actually don't think it would help
frosty ridge
I'd focus on fundamentals first. like pressing buttons. any buttons
ebon geyser
not doing m+ is very int tbh
i dont do m+, i had way to many bad exp that just push me away from them
chrome falcon
what's he gonna do, get a bunch of mastery and then never use it because he unbound consecrate?
if you prog raid at any level and don't do m+ you're trolling your raid group
vernal vale
what's he gonna do, get a bunch of mastery and then never use it because he unbo...
Fair enough lol
ocean yoke
needs to get to 17.486% vers ofc or he will be one shot
ocean yoke
vernal vale
if you prog raid at any level and don't do m+ you're trolling your raid group
That's what I said but was told it didn't matter. Which is one of the reasons I'm leaving to another guild.
frosty ridge
That's what I said but was told it didn't matter. Which is one of the reasons I'...
I mean, it's fine if they think so, just difference of opinions. leaving them is the right choice
vernal vale
Been denied to a couple guilds who are melee heavy already. Tank spots are practically impossible mid tier.
frosty ridge
some guilds are willing to 'upgrade' their tank spot, so never hurts to ask. I've yoinked another tank's spot mid tier like that before.
blazing condor
id be pissed lol
frosty ridge
sure. whatever. it's about if they want prog or not.
obviously if they're all friends they won't kick a guy
chrome falcon
you gotta be absolute dogshit to get replaced as a tank mid-tier
like insanely bad
frosty ridge
not dogshit, just mediocre
that what was the tank I replaced
meh
got the job done, but they wanted better
ebon geyser
Been denied to a couple guilds who are melee heavy already. Tank spots are pract...
one thing i learn by only being tank on my toons and not touching dps or heals is you either start with a guild from normal up and bang your head up to whatever prog u can get and working on parses and then applying to other guilds or roll dps and wait until new expansion and wait to see if ppl leave or reroll
chrome falcon
i'd keep a mediocre co-tank over a better new one
vernal vale
Yeah, ill get in as dps and then tank m+ to prove I'm not awful. Then ill look at tanking again in the future.
ocean yoke
we lost like 2 weeks in nathria getting through council because my vdh cotank just could not kite the gargoyle somehow
frosty ridge
i'd keep a mediocre co-tank over a better new one
nah. to click with a new tank, if he's a good player is not difficult. doesn't take too much time
ebon geyser
is what im doing im still in normal and most ppl i know are in heroic /m
but i dont do that shit of dps or heal
ocean yoke
seriously. it was incredibly frustrating
we swapped a dps to vdh and we killed council like the next night
vernal vale
I've only met like one good DH tank
ocean yoke
wouldve killed sludge next week but i broke my arm and delayed our prog lol
got it next one tho
frosty ridge
wouldve killed sludge next week but i broke my arm and delayed our prog lol
damn, nathria mechanics are brutal
ocean yoke
mucho hard to hit buttons with a splint on
frosty ridge
I meant they broke your arm. bad joke
ocean yoke
i was considering it after all that time on council tbh
pliant sage
99% of every fotm players are sub-par compared to a non-fotm class with the same...
I was actually wanting to play Holy Priest because it's finally good. :(
cinder nova
Yeah, ill get in as dps and then tank m+ to prove I'm not awful. Then ill look a...
WAIT WAIT WAIT
Is this paladin your lead?
dawn canyon
Selfish as fuck to hold back guild like that idk man
waxen orbit
Oh Damekage are you still with that guild?
I remember you posted here a minute back about that situation
Dawg Ima keep it a stack with you
Was in a similar situation twice before
Leave that shit
ebon geyser
sometimes we bite our tongue in order to see content or progress i know i have done it
waxen orbit
It will fucking devour your time, fun, and mental health if you let it
ebon geyser
we are literally miserable to the point of dying inside and we still smile and wave
distant crystal
are you just talking about dpsing while waiting for a tank spot
or some other toxicity
vernal vale
Is this paladin your lead?
Not the lead but according to GM is the main tank
ebon geyser
i have exp both waat but idk about damekage
waxen orbit
Any guild that still uses "main tank" terminology is stuck in 2008
vernal vale
Oh Damekage are you still with that guild?
I'm actively looking for a guild. I tries to fix it as a longtime friend of GM it didn't happen. Now I'm leaving
ebon geyser
Any guild that still uses "main tank" terminology is stuck in 2008
i mean i sometimes get the "let ME do the tanking"
lol
cinder nova
What's the median age in your raid officer corp
vernal vale
45
frosty ridge
wtf game is that
waxen orbit
I'm actively looking for a guild. I tries to fix it as a longtime friend of GM i...
That's valid bro. Friendships come first, obviously. Don't wreck that
cinder nova
Boomer raids are so ego-heavy and mechanically weak
frosty ridge
where do you mine oofium ore lol
cinder nova
Yeah
ebon geyser
dang @vernal vale and i have been looking for guilds around my age and that guild seem to be around my ballpark but if at that age thats the behavior...
frosty ridge
dang <@167799819555831808> and i have been looking for guilds around my age and...
I don't think age matters, they're just bad players
cinder nova
Only truly toxic guilds I've seen are Boomers upset they're wrong
vernal vale
That's valid bro. Friendships come first, obviously. Don't wreck that
I don't want to kill the friendship hence why I stuck it out this long but I'm done holding my own enjoyment/play back
cinder nova
I've been in loads of guild prog pugs
Every time it's been an issue, it's been a boomer at the helm
grave crane
I don't want to kill the friendship hence why I stuck it out this long but I'm d...
That’s fair. Especially if you want to tank and can’t cause they’re full
ebon geyser
one day we will have the guilds that dont log only for raids have healthy pop and do raids and m+ and theres always ppl online
dawn canyon
I don't want to kill the friendship hence why I stuck it out this long but I'm d...
If you guys are good friends they should understand (imo)
frosty ridge
if RL tells you not to press Shield Slam, that's pretty quick gquit imo
ebon geyser
if RL tells you not to press Shield Slam, that's pretty quick gquit imo
thats like saying dont consecrate
grave crane
Why would they say not to press shield Slam lol
waxen orbit
I don't want to kill the friendship hence why I stuck it out this long but I'm d...
You probably already know what you're gonna say, but as I recently left a situation like that, I feel obligated to just say; keep it real. Just say it straight to the homie. Keep it brief, don't go into extensive detail what's going wrong; just say that, keep in touch, and then leave
frosty ridge
Why would they say not to press shield Slam lol
he rips aggro from prot pally
chrome falcon
when i'm raiding my heart only beats when i shield slam
cinder nova
You probably already know what you're gonna say, but as I recently left a situat...
YW
waxen orbit
^
chrome falcon
i would literally die if the RL (which admittedly is me) told me to stop
amber herald
ocean yoke
im here to keep my banner up not kill the boss
grave crane
he rips aggro from prot pally
That sounds like a prot pally problem
frosty ridge
That sounds like a prot pally problem
yeah yeah, we went over that
ebon geyser
i just dont get it how can he rips aggro
frosty ridge
i just dont get it how can he rips aggro
easy, not press buttons on prot pally
ebon geyser
consecrate, wings,shit tell him to run seraphim
ocean yoke
the mans not consecrating or ashen hes not gonna use seraphim
amber herald
is he forgetting righteous fury? 
frosty ridge
consecrate, wings,shit tell him to run seraphim
whoah. wtf is that elitism bro. he doesn't want to press consecrate. you're not paying his sub.
ebon geyser
run in venthyrcrate, consecrate ,wings spam shit that glows
cinder nova
Yeah don't feel a compulsion to get the last word in, explain yourself, these people are already closed out to rapport. Just say that you want to find a new guild, thank them for their time, split.
ocean yoke
run in venthyrcrate, consecrate ,wings spam shit that glows
ok ELITIST SCUM
ebon geyser
grave crane
Alright pump the breaks while I read the lore on this guy
cinder nova
If they wanna get salty, oh well
frosty ridge
I would run double dps trinkets and just pump damage on that pally until his eyes bleed
ocean yoke
Alright pump the breaks while I read the lore on this guy
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/YxtZ1QL7JA6cVz4a#fight=16&type=damage-done i hadnt closed the tab this was the logs dame gave us
sturdy sable
Alright pump the breaks while I read the lore on this guy
Lmao
ebon geyser
i mean i also was a pally main and i stop playing on the first boss in battle just because i had a panic attack
and then roll monk
sturdy sable
Tatermuscles is gonna be infamous
ebon geyser
i still suk...but less
cinder nova
I would run double dps trinkets and just pump damage on that pally until his eye...
Imagine not running double DPS by default 
waxen orbit
Yoyoyo lads I'm not a mod but Idk if it's the good move to dog out the dude's co-tank's logs
Double DPS trinkets is based
frosty ridge
Imagine not running double DPS by default <:keks:936231610850897992>
they're heroic guild, I bet they don't do a lot of things by default :)
cinder nova
Oof
ocean yoke
i refuse to abandon my sacred 259 OWS
cinder nova
Alright lads, I'm about to get on a bus to get back to the mainland
ocean yoke
also i havent gotten any other dps trinkets drop
cinder nova
Pray I don't end up as salsa in a plane crash
amber herald
he's even green logging seems like that would be enough lol
ocean yoke
fare thee well
waxen orbit
Take it safe g
vernal vale
You probably already know what you're gonna say, but as I recently left a situat...
Yeah, ultimately my plan is to just say I'm not having fun right now and want to find that again.
sturdy sable
he's even green logging seems like that would be enough lol
My first thought was "damn there's actually pallys worse then this dude"
amber herald
I've been in raids where one tank has orange logs and the other grey and there wasn't aggro problems
ocean yoke
yeah the right guild is a game changer i was about to quit when i found my current team
amber herald
but they weren't a pally/warr combo
amber herald
kek
frosty ridge
ocean yoke
theyre 100s they just go to a different school
dawn canyon
So not that good
vernal vale
I'm hoping to find a good place to go. Don't want to be guildless though as I do want to do the raid.
vernal vale
show him those logs of mine <@167799819555831808> tell him to beat me
Logs are hidden.
dawn canyon
<a:warrior:761040892970139649>
This new??
dawn canyon
Huge
ebon geyser
when i was good
vernal vale
Lol
dawn canyon
I played my pala like i was drunk
pliant sage
I'm still figuring out how to log. I think I have the pieces just not the ability to put them together.
dawn canyon
amber herald
it seems like he's pressing his buttons too so how the hell is he not holding aggro
dawn canyon
I'm still figuring out how to log. I think I have the pieces just not the abilit...
Log uploaded App kinda solos
pliant sage
it seems like he's pressing his buttons too so how the hell is he not holding ag...
Not all buttons are equal. :)
pliant sage
Log uploaded App kinda solos
I'll check what I have when I get home. Right now I have 500lb of laundry to do
amber herald
yeah but he's green logging against a purple that should be enough lol
it's not like a pink log vs a grey
ebon geyser
a 21 in prototype where you should be aoeing all da things
dawn canyon
I'll check what I have when I get home. Right now I have 500lb of laundry to do
Hope it helps!
frosty ridge
yeah but he's green logging against a purple that should be enough lol
depends on gear level and specs. sometimes their dps can be the same, but one logs green the other purple
pliant sage
I know I have the in-game addon, settings, and the app downloaded. I'm sure the derp is behind the keyboard not in the machine
amber herald
it's a 1.3k dps difference really not that large
grave crane
Well that was a fun read. But god damn that’s rough bud
ebon geyser
i think i know what the problem is, he is a lightforge goat instead of a human and his mog is a sin to paladins. simple there
vernal vale
it's a 1.3k dps difference really not that large
Ultimately boss turning to me when the paladin should have the boss is happening.
pliant sage
Xmog is 1k dps
grave crane
Mog is like 3k dps on its own. Tell him to up his drip
amber herald
agreed, the boss is so disgusted by his mog he refuses to hit him
vernal vale
Hahaha
ebon geyser
tell him if he wanna play a priest go and play one but paladin wear armor
vernal vale
I'm using the WoD challenge mode shield.
dawn canyon
tell him if he wanna play a priest go and play one but paladin wear armor
Oh he's female draenai
In a nude mog
ebon geyser
also send him to see sloot play in twitch , sloot is a solid paladin
dawn canyon
Am i guessing correctly
ebon geyser
no
scenic mural
Im just now catching up@on the pally, why does he not do any m+ at all?
vernal vale
^
pliant sage
How can you be a raid logger in Shadowlands? There's so much crap to do
scenic mural
Like the biggest gimp to yourself
ebon geyser
me a raid logger too
chrome falcon
if you do 0 mythic+, especially as a tank, you're a bad raider even if you're a decent player
vernal vale
Id left the guild instantly
I've been friends with the GM for a decade. Only reason I stuck it out and tried to fix it.
grave crane
Yo our warrior keeps ripping aggro from the MaIn TaNk. Stop shield slamming for 50k obviously
ebon geyser
whats does the 4 set do for them
also i blame all of you , i have been here and not played at all
pliant sage
Chance to cast judgement equal to block
On all damage sources with an icd of a few seconds
ebon geyser
Tell him to add taunt to his rotation?
take that back
grave crane
He’s not consecrating why would he taunt just tell the warrior to do less damage
pliant sage
He's not consecrating? Tf
frosty ridge
even if he taunts, do you think he'll put anything into taunt window? not even consecrate
pliant sage
Consecrate is like a core soec feature of paladins. It's part of the reason they are so bad at movement
I'm just flabbergasted at this ....tank
sturdy sable
Welcome to the conversation 5 minutes ago
vernal vale
Consecrate is like a core soec feature of paladins. It's part of the reason they...
Paladin moves better because horse according to him
sturdy sable
Oh so hes jaina/kadgar
pliant sage
Paladin moves better because horse according to him
And why is this guy in front of a boss again?
Horse < leap, 2 charge, interviene
urban portal
^
ebon geyser
@vernal vale making me undelete my paladin and show him what a ok paladin look like
lol
urban portal
Are we still shitting on his cotank
sturdy sable
Its not like warriors are known for their mobility or anything
chrome falcon
horse is trash
sturdy sable
Are we still shitting on his cotank
I feel like in this case we can call him the "off" tank
ebon geyser
agree horde is trash
chrome falcon
well @urban portal no-one else has come in to randomly tell us the 4pc is terrible without even having it which is the usual entertainment for this time of night
so there's nothing else to do
vernal vale
Are we still shitting on his cotank
I apparently blew up warrior discord today. People are baffled by the logs I linked and the situation.
sturdy sable
We are like starving sharks just waiting for something lol
sturdy sable
well <@111542607556939776> no-one else has come in to randomly tell us the 4pc i...
Or some rando telling us why protection is bad and how theyd fix it
urban portal
If you die to tank it that isn't skolex its your fault
frosty ridge
hey skolex 1 shot me
pliant sage
I apparently blew up warrior discord today. People are baffled by the logs I lin...
It's view bias, everyone in this channel cares about their spec.tk some degree to be here. Makes us biased to wanting to play proper
vernal vale
It's view bias, everyone in this channel cares about their spec.tk some degree t...
I got back in here because I wanted to improve so true.
ebon geyser
@vernal vale i blame u for not doin shit tday LOL
sturdy sable
I mean... I dont recommend protection to anyone and i main it lmao
pliant sage
I'm here to learn from y'all because I still play Prot wrong. But I'm getting better with help
vernal vale
I'm traveling for Easter. I got nothing better to do but sit in warrior discord until my phone dies.
pliant sage
I mean... I dont recommend protection to anyone and i main it lmao
This Pally may learn from playing it.
sturdy sable
HA
I mean if he isnt concentrating he probably wouldnt like intervene/charge for reprisal
Its not as good as horse
ebon geyser
I'm traveling for Easter. I got nothing better to do but sit in warrior discord ...
u mean until it runs out of...rage 
pliant sage
I mean if he isnt concentrating he probably wouldnt like intervene/charge for re...
Speaking of I finally farmed Torghast enough for my 291 so that's done. And I got honored with the ZM faction to buy the sack two world quests later. -_-
vernal vale
I mean if he isnt concentrating he probably wouldnt like intervene/charge for re...
Definitely hates reprisal. Tried to tell me to play the wall. I told him fuck off to that one.
That's what he attempted because and I quote. "It moves the boss"
ebon geyser
if he tell u play wall u tell him play monk
urban portal
Prot war is just that powerful clearly
vernal vale
Told him he can tell me how to warrior when he plays it.
pliant sage
With how he's playing Paladin with monk having extremely passive mitigation in the form of stagger actually be a bad thing?
urban portal
Monk actually isn't passive in raid
pliant sage
Monk actually isn't passive in raid
When you play it right*
urban portal
Not as passive as paladin
frosty ridge
I mean, he'll still fuck it up. there's chi stacks, CB timings
my bet is he has default UI and doesn't track anything. he needs like a basic WA pack to track consecrate
pliant sage
I mean what the healers prefer to heal the dot off of stagger or the non-consecrated paladin?
ebon geyser
i bet hes a clicker
sturdy sable
I raided with a clicker
frosty ridge
i bet hes a clicker
vernal vale
my bet is he has default UI and doesn't track anything. he needs like a basic WA...
Well, I know he has weak auras because he insists everyone get them on top of dbm
frosty ridge
Well, I know he has weak auras because he insists everyone get them on top of db...
maybe raid weakauras. what about his UI for his spec
urban portal
Does he not cast cons
sturdy sable
Nope
vernal vale
maybe raid weakauras. what about his UI for his spec
No idea
sturdy sable
Why would he? Hes obviously in for the carry
hard vessel
I raided with a clicker
Don't blame clickers, a clicking only healer friend of me is healing 23s as shaman
ebon geyser
imagine using dmb instead of chad wigs
sturdy sable
Yeah but its notnlike this game is hard
frosty ridge
it's not about hard. it's about gimping yourself for no reason
pliant sage
Yeah but its notnlike this game is hard
It is when you're bad like me. But I'm getting better so nyuh
hard vessel
Ofc is giga ass too click, but if imagine a 23s playing clicker would not click, this guy could go for world first keys
pliant sage
I clicked any cool down that's longer than a minute.
frosty ridge
Ngl i clicked taunt till like last year
finally decided to invest in keyboard. smart move
sturdy sable
Lmao
I mean in raid you taunt at very specific times
M+ of those dps rip threat then that mob becomes a them problem
pliant sage
So on a slightly different topic what do you all think are the chances of getting a tank Shaman in 10 point. I know it's not zero but it should be very close
sturdy sable
1-0%
I think wed get a new class that can tank before they let shammys tank
But that new class should be mail
For the love of god
Stop adding leather classes please
pliant sage
Yeah but I can hope. I've been wanting Shaman tank since I got to taunt the ads on nefarian in progress way back in Cata.
vernal vale
So on a slightly different topic what do you all think are the chances of gettin...
I mean I tanked dungeons on warlock when they had the one glyph that let them
pliant sage
Stop adding leather classes please
Lizard did have a lot of fetishists
sturdy sable
Shammys could tank low dungeons back in the day
pliant sage
Am I humble opinion every class should have four specs with Hunter Warlock and Shaman getting a tank spec
frosty ridge
Shammys could tank low dungeons back in the day
back when wow was turn based
pliant sage
In my* I'm using voice to text and it sucks
sturdy sable
back when wow was turn based
Back when having a shield was enough
vernal vale
Am I humble opinion every class should have four specs with Hunter Warlock and S...
Screw that give us gladiator stance back
pliant sage
Back when having a shield was enough
And rockbiter
sturdy sable
Id kill for glad stance but let me switch in combat
pliant sage
Screw that give us gladiator stance back
That is a grand suggestion for warrior 4th spec. Every class should have access to a tank or healer spec
median tulip
Am I humble opinion every class should have four specs with Hunter Warlock and S...
Demon Hunter should have been Warlock's tank spec
frosty ridge
only if it's off gcd
pliant sage
The biggest problem with gladiator stance is its APM
vernal vale
sturdy sable
Just macro heroic strike to scroll wheel
vernal vale
What about it's APM
frosty ridge
that was my literal keybind for heroic strike
dawn canyon
Thats a good thing, no?
pliant sage
I'm having issues with the APM of keeping banner up right now as Necro. I either have to rethink my key binds or rethink what I'm doing
frosty ridge
mwheel up
vernal vale
I wanted it to be faater
median tulip
I'm having issues with the APM of keeping banner up right now as Necro. I either...
Intervene more, Charge more, Ignore Pain more
sturdy sable
Probably throw in shield slam more as well
pliant sage
Intervene more, Charge more, Ignore Pain more
I just got Reprisal made today, I was 200rep off Honored with ZM faction so I spent all morning in Torghast to get materials
Got the b made so that should help rage gen to make it easier.
frosty ridge
I'm having issues with the APM of keeping banner up right now as Necro. I either...
IP is off gcd rage dump, to continue your rotation with left hand (I assume), while pressing it when needed, the good place for it somewhere on the mouse imo. mine is on mousewheel down. this really free's up your apm
pliant sage
Then after reset I got honored so I don't have to touch Torghast ever again. Cleared my first layer 10 tho and kept getting slapped down on gauntlet layer 3.
pliant sage
IP is off gcd rage dump, to continue your rotation with left hand (I assume), wh...
I may have to do that. I'm going to see what Reprisal does to my hands and make decisions based on that. And I have a classic 2 button mouse so my binds are all on keyboard
frosty ridge
I have like 6. you don't need a lot
frosty ridge
I may have to do that. I'm going to see what Reprisal does to my hands and make ...
you still have 2 side buttons? also one on top? or literally 2 buttons+scroll wheel?
pliant sage
I have 8 and shift binds of those 8. And I think it has side buttons? Not sure I don't use them
pliant sage
If I can bind them it may be useful.
frosty ridge
I use side buttons for any movement on tanks. like charge, intervene, and shift+same one to invervene to my focus
pliant sage
I have the same issue with resto shaman, I want like 4 DPS abilities on it and already have all my known binds on healing/utility spells.
frosty ridge
mouse buttons is key
of course the best is to have off gcd stuff there
so your rotation continues
with left hand
pliant sage
So priority when I get in is figuring out what I derped with logging, seeing if binds will help impact of APM, and trying to do some m0s to see mythic mechanics outside of a video.
frosty ridge
recording you play also helps, not just logs but videos
distant crystal
review them in parts where you died or otherwise things went wrong
pliant sage
I need a new PC before I can record runs. Logging is what I have access to for a while
distant crystal
ya video is great
pliant sage
I'm using a bad gen i3, it's like 6 years old rn
vernal vale
OBS is farely low resource intensive on your computer
frosty ridge
yeah OBS is great
vernal vale
My old PC was able to record and it was 11 years old.
pliant sage
I think the biggest thing is that my read/write to hard drive is manual instead of solid state so it's getting capped. I know I can't have chrome or overwolf open while wow is running
lyric geode
Best trinkets for m+?
lyric geode
Is codex good? I feel it is quite random.
vernal vale
Codex preforms better in harder content
It's in the pins better explained
You could chase countermeasure from Vault of the Wardens Timewalking m+ but it's better single target than trash
lyric geode
I feel the trinket from the eye of azshara quite powerful too.
dawn canyon
Aegis better
lyric geode
It feels like the kael thalas trinket
dawn canyon
Cheat deaths generally are bad
vernal vale
Better defensive options from the current content over the eye one
dawn canyon
Either you use them as a crutch for improper play
Or you arent procing it and thus have a dead slot
lyric geode
I see.
dawn canyon
If you are deliberately procing it in high end content then its the pick
lyric geode
So spam streets?
dawn canyon
However this raid does not have one
grave crane
I like aegis but never got the heroic one which was annoying with how often we cleared it
vernal vale
Either you use them as a crutch for improper play
This is what I tell people all the time but they insist its necessary.
dawn canyon
Tbf i used to be one of those people but my rl convinced me otherwise
lyric geode
I still play with kaelthalas trinket of 213 ilvl
vernal vale
I like aegis but never got the heroic one which was annoying with how often we c...
I got mythic aegis in a pug I was dpsing the tanks in the raid where mad.
dawn canyon
skill issue on their part
lyric geode
Codex healing is quite unpredictable. I mean, what is the point of it, all damage must be in the zone of control.
That is why I am thinking that eye of azshara is better option than it.
vernal vale
Codex healing is quite unpredictable. I mean, what is the point of it, all damag...
Codex is not a bad trinket for prot its literally a 10% damage reduction, and it does actually decent damage depending on what your doing things like rygelon and jailer aand high keys the trinket is amazing
Nomerater gave this explination
lyric geode
Well, streets trinket, then DoS trinket.
Got it.
One last thing. Do we need any of the tw legion gear?
vernal vale
One last thing. Do we need any of the tw legion gear?
Need no. Have value yes.
Faulty Countermeasure, Windscar, auto attack ring
That's about it.
lyric geode
Is there some legion gear that has more value than SL gear?
vernal vale
Faulty is best damage trinket we can get.
lyric geode
Auto attacking ring is good for protection warrior too?
Critical is a bit of lackster in m+
vernal vale
Auto attack ring Sims well for me. 2% better than any current content rings.
lyric geode
I mean, a bit more versatility wouldnt hurt
vernal vale
Crit is good because more damage in m+
lyric geode
Why not gambit ring and necrotic ring?
vernal vale
Versatility has less value than one would assume. It's good yes but it requires a huge amount of the Stat to really equal any significant damage reduction.
lyric geode
20% of versa is quite powerful
vernal vale
The big value is that it's a hybrid Stat doing damage and giving mitigation value
sturdy sable
This is a common one as well
vernal vale
I've dropped verse since patch and haven't noticed the difference
sturdy sable
The vers stan
vernal vale
Good play will outperform getting more verse
sturdy sable
Every few days we gotta teach this lesson to someone
lyric geode
But good play requires stuns and interupts from bolts and mitigation of magic dmg
sturdy sable
I've dropped verse since patch and haven't noticed the difference
Because unless you have a ludicrous amount of verse you wouldn't notice it
vernal vale
Because unless you have a ludicrous amount of verse you wouldn't notice it
Exactly
lyric geode
Also, I am having 3p of set
sturdy sable
Taking 10% less damage from a wicked bolt wont save your life
lyric geode
If I get my 4p would I notice a significance?
sturdy sable
Because they should be kicked in the first place