Maybe 
#protection
strong forum
celest nacelle
❤️
oblique garnet
never asked for anything
strong forum
DW I didn't play either and I was on the last 2 podcasts
strong forum
I'm just a poster boi
dawn canyon
strong forum
oblique garnet
Gonna join podcast and everytime its some questions and go ”idk i just press buttons”
ionic fern
nome dripped the fuck out in that podcast
Tbh he was more chilaxed than the last podcast.
strong forum
Truu
jagged pier
Gonna join podcast and everytime its some questions and go ”idk i just press but...
We actually say that
oblique garnet
Yeah
jagged pier
oblique garnet
Yeah but whats the actual one and how it changes with 4p?
blazing condor
oblique garnet
blazing condor
4p rotation is literally just same but way more wicked
oblique garnet
So none of you know🤔
blazing condor
i got 2p 
strong forum
Not the absolutely optimal one
Id just say ignore TC as much as you can
But with 4p legit opener
Idk
Lots of choices
hard vessel
Press TC for snap threat maybe? Don't blame me, I feel it's worth it
oblique garnet
You charge & avatar as you pull whats your next button
blazing condor
tc hits like a wet noodle
you're better off revenging for aggro
with that said i usually TC anyway
hard vessel
No with Avatar and outburst it claps
strong forum
Rav - charge - TC - revenge - avatar - SS - revenge - revenge?
hard vessel
And it has bigger hit radius than revenge I think
strong forum
And use IP to avoid capping obv
Or is it better to use avatar instantly
Tough question
strong forum
Assuming you start with 0 stacks
strong forum
So smth like
Rav - charge + avatar - SS + IP - TC/rev - rev spam
Cuz charge + avatar + ss is already 110 rage
strong forum
Ah tru forgot SB
Use banner before avatar
So rav - charge + banner - avatar - SS+SB+IP - rev-tc/rev
oblique garnet
🙂
And because it has 4 non global buttons think about in how small time frame everything happens
spring sierra
hey guys, i just got my 4 set set bonus and want to try some m+ tanking. As a "nice to have" i would like to make a weak aura that shows me the "seeing red" stacks and when it is ready the "outburst" proc. So far i managed to get seeing red to work, but the other one doesnt seem to pop up when i get it. Can someone help me with that please?
i am not good with WAs
obiviously...
strong forum
- it's linked in the pins
- it's pretty simple buff tracking
Legit just trigger, aura, buff, name outburst
Or if you have elvui you can copy the spell ID
Need to be 2 seperate WAs
spring sierra
huh... and yet again i am trying to solve a problem, others already have 😒
thank you
strong forum
I recommend playing around with it yourself a bit
Cuz it's one of the simplest WAs to make
Getting into WAs is really fun imo
Or well, UI weak auras, the code stuff I can't do
oblique garnet
Why would you need 2 separate weakauras for it?
strong forum
Makes it easier
spring sierra
i am honestly getting overwhelmed with the options every dang time
oblique garnet
Makes it easier
Can you have outburst and seeing red buffs at the same time?
strong forum
Yes
oblique garnet
I havent paid any attention to it ngl
strong forum
They're 2 entirely seperate entities
While you have outburst up, you can continue generating seeing red stacks even with 2pc
spring sierra
is there a way to play the sound "one" if i am at 7 stacks?
strong forum
Sure
strong forum
I'm not home for 5 more days so I can't show where
west walrus
I added "mooo" because I play tauren
spring sierra
how do i make it trigger at stack 7?
strong forum
Conditions
oblique garnet
Conditions and = 7
Iirc
But i personally wouldnt recommend a sound reminder on something that will be popping up constantly
That is bound to get real annoying real fast
west walrus
I like earing moo moo all the time
spring sierra
okay
dusky mica
It’s possible to skip 7 so your sound wouldn’t trigger
strong forum
how do i unlock that aura? I need to move it a bit ^^
Just drag and drop
blazing condor
great chance to practice 🙂
median tulip
Does anyone know how to make a weakaura that will start a timer when a certain ability is used, but not reset the counter if it's used again before the timer ends?
dusty stump
What is the optimal piece of gear for our memory of unity leggo?
median tulip
What is the optimal piece of gear for our memory of unity leggo?
absolute optimal: head. But Waist is generally used if you are concerned over getting 4pc set bonus and/or ilvls of same
ebon geyser
Good morning folks
median tulip
8%?
frail ibex
anyone know if prot 4 piece has been nerfed in pvp yet?
quaint glade
Hello, can someone please tell me if vers trinket from Eye of Azshara good for prots?
ebon geyser
anyone know if prot 4 piece has been nerfed in pvp yet?
Probably soon thanks to rexdumb
blazing condor
should the shuri be able to spawn right on the boss or is that bugged
seems hella ass
median tulip
Hello, can someone please tell me if vers trinket from Eye of Azshara good for p...
Gets a resounding "meh" from me
blazing condor
and no real counter play besides trying to keep boss away from every shape
median tulip
Hello, can someone please tell me if vers trinket from Eye of Azshara good for p...
I mean, even at 272 it's... just ok, really. I'd rather have something that helped me generate more Rage
quaint glade
4 sets already gives you mucho rage innit?
median tulip
There's no such thing as too much Rage
ebon geyser
That why we keep saying " need more rage"
median tulip
basically that giant ornamental pearl is about half as effective as a Scale, but on half the cooldown.
Nice enough if you have it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to farm one
ebon geyser
That trinket is the wish version of scales
median tulip
the added vers is nice, mind
quaint glade
Nice enough if you have it, but I wouldn't go out of my way to farm one
I am running with 2 defensive trinkets rn, and i have it in my bag, so i just wanted to confirm
hard vessel
Upgrade your shield
median tulip
Yeah. That's a much better thing to spend your valour on
quaint glade
sacred timber
how can i tell if I am overcapping from like 10 rage or like 90 rage?
like if im at 10 rage and outburst, ls, ss for 140 rage, how can I determine that from just hitting thunderclap at 95 rage?
Also, If I find myself never using intervene, should I switch to destructive reverb?
chrome falcon
No you should just start using intervene properly
sacred timber
I hate how you have to turn away from mobs to use it if people are behind you
it is so annoying
chrome falcon
You should have a melee in every key
sacred timber
even then
steady lantern
Get a mousover macro for intervene and intervene a melee most of the time you won't even move from your spot
chrome falcon
Just stand near them and IV won’t even move you
Or you can IV a ranged and charge right back in
left stone
Can someone point me in the direction of an explanation for this?
Why is necro so much better?
4set synergy?
sacred timber
banner?
wild hemlock
i always inv 1 melee to intervene too lol
sacred timber
perma extra block and rage?
sacred timber
i always inv 1 melee to intervene too lol
best is when you have 2 hunters and one is survival and one is marksmen
on dos, and you forget which is which on last boss
chrome falcon
I just macro them in at start of key
sacred timber
or do a focus macro?
but then again I use intervene and charge on the same keybind
wild hemlock
i mouseover macro intervene and charge to the same button
if you hover party member it intervenes
if your targeting mob you charge
sacred timber
do yall play all the way zoomed out?
sacred timber
cause I always have trouble finding my teammates in a fight lol
wild hemlock
move your party frames closer to the middle of the screen
use the party frames to target or mouse over
wild hemlock
HOW DO HEALERS HEAL
sacred timber
i click le frame
wild hemlock
YES
vernal vale
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene
/cast [@focus] Intervene
sacred timber
but like, If I mouse over "melee player z"'s party frame, will it intervene to them?
wild hemlock
ok i lied maybe my intervene isnt mouse overed
but i have charge/intervene on same button
not home to check though
civic swan
@sacred timber
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [target=mouseover,help,exists,nodead]Intervene;Intervene
/cast [target=target,harm,exists,nodead]Charge;Charge
median tulip
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead, exists][@mouseovertarget, help, nodead, exists][@focus, help, nodead, exists][target=targettarget, help, nodead, exists][]Intervene
ruby stirrup
@jagged pier have you ever played arms
chrome falcon
asking for experience for a 15 legion key should genuinely be a bannable offence
not even kidding
uncut notch
My SB uptime has been turbo ass this week because the trash is so fucking weak hahahaha
Getting like 60% blocked hits because I’m just drilling revenge all day every day
vernal vale
asking for experience for a 15 legion key should genuinely be a bannable offence
I was denied to a 10 vault and I have legion experience. People are just stupid.
median tulip
asking for experience for a 15 legion key should genuinely be a bannable offence
Yesterday there were people asking for people with a 2k Legion season rating 🤣
sacred timber
I tanked for a guy last night who had World's First on guardian LOL
oblique garnet
I tanked for a guy last night who had World's First on guardian LOL
Which guardian
sacred timber
Which guardian
SoFO
oblique garnet
This tier?
sacred timber
ye
oblique garnet
Its a joke boss so not really an achievement
minor helm
Vigilant
sacred timber
Still a world's first
minor helm
Isn't there drama with WF VG guild?
sacred timber
even if each boss had different groups that would still only be 220 players
but in this case there are only 60 players who have it.
TES, Liquid, and Echo
oblique garnet
Yeah they literally got it before any actual guilds went on to mythic because xd tier splits
sacred timber
Yeah they literally got it before any actual guilds went on to mythic because xd...
WF is still WF, no matter which boss
sweet summit
real
odd tree
but i have charge/intervene on same button
i have leap/intervene macroed together. intervene being mouseover. I have them on my mouse wheel, figured out last night that elvui doesn't like to recognize mouse clicks when targeting party frames.
think i may have found an addon to fix the issue, but have yet to try it out
chrome falcon
those guys got WF on vigilant guardian then literally didn't kill another mythic for over a month
which i think is hilarious
i got the fucking timewalking mount before i got countermeasure REEE
median tulip
There's Vault+18 "Legion Gamers Only" that's had exactly 2 people in it for the last 10 minutes... I'm wondering how long it'll be before they crack 🤣
chrome falcon
LMAO ZETA I'M LITERALLY LOOKING AT THAT TOO
thinking like
i literally just did 18 vault and it was so easy but this behaviour is absolutely way too cringe to be rewarded with me tanking it
sacred timber
the guy pumped tho, he did like 16.8k overall
until we had our first wipe he was doing like 21.1k
vernal vale
Uh let's go skolex heroic and rygolon
Sorry I forgot it's a lot of bosses from last night.
chrome falcon
these bosses are pretty easy considering gear/legendaries/tier at this point so it's harder to tell than if you were actually being pressured
but on skolex you didn't last stand on your first banner
you should have better uptime on a target dummy like skolex
you were running BSC on skolex which is wrong, you want BV (more rage= more banner=more rage)
vernal vale
Yeah, my guild was insisting on normal again because tier.
chrome falcon
yeah it's just kinda hard to tell if you're playing bad because on normal you could just afk backtank every boss and not die
vernal vale
I just got 4p last night. I'll be running BV now
chrome falcon
you should have been running BV anyway it's always been better in single target but either way as long as you run it now that's fine
vernal vale
Oh, good to know.
I've been focusing on quashing my rage capping this week.
Thanks for tye quick look and sorry again about the number of bosses without thinking.
chrome falcon
yeah wasted rage seemed ok on skolex but obviously gets a bit harder with BV
vernal vale
I'm intending to keep improving. My guild is very slow.
chrome falcon
yeah doing normal clears at this point gives me that impression, HC is very doable for just about any guild at this point
vernal vale
Our GM is extremely focused on everyone having 4p for whatever reason.
I advocated for heroic only weeks ago.
Doesn't help when our paladin tank and several others only log on for raid.
brave stirrup
Finding a guild who needs a tank is quiet challenging i am finding
blazing condor
its hard
- only 2 tank-spots
- raid tanking is easy so you never really need to replace a tank for "not performing"
its irrelevant to look at tank logs and bench a tank just cus they do less dps
also every tank is always an officer and irl friends with the gm
brave stirrup
feel like i have to wait for patch exhaustion to kick in and for a tank to stop logging on then just happen to stumble upon said situation
jagged pier
pretty much
or join as a dps
and say u want to tank
90% of the time one of the tanks doesnt actually want to tank
vernal vale
Yeah, our paladin is an officer. So he's literally getting away with raiding only even though a single m+15 is supposed to be required.
I'm tempted to just go fury for raid and find a better guild.
I've known our GM for years but I want to push content harder again.
sacred timber
also every tank is always an officer and irl friends with the gm
or the GM and his wife.
blazing condor
my gm got angry at me last time i raided cus i was padding
as in waiting until last second before doing needed mechanic
vernal vale
My GM is still telling me I should be kyrian not Necro
I told him he needs to outperform me on a warrior before I even think about listening to him.
He didn't like that.
chilly brook
Can someone point me in the direction of an explanation for this?
Why is necro s...
Necro was always “good” last patch just was worse for personal performance especially in keys compared to Kyrian. With double legendary and the set giving us so much rage though you can keep banner up 100% of the time which really helps counter any downside it has. It’s also extremely tanky because of this.
cinder nova
as in waiting until last second before doing needed mechanic
I don't get how this is padding if you're doing it on time and correctly
chilly brook
My GM is still telling me I should be kyrian not Necro
Tell him to stop being an idiot and get in the discord
And get btfo’d by warriors telling him he’s an idiot for suggesting that necro isn’t good
cinder nova
Bet money he doesn't even have a 95 perf average
chilly brook
as in waiting until last second before doing needed mechanic
I never understand this mentality
If you wait until last second but still do the mechanic
You’re doing what you should be doing
dapper swift
my gm got angry at me last time i raided cus i was padding <:sadge:8202023633598...
xD sounds like a jerk to me
chilly brook
I had a guild get mad at me for this on fatescribe, I’d be maximizing uptime on him and leaping out for the grim portent at the last second
Never wiped them
Never missed the mechanic
cinder nova
Yeah like Arms literally does this because downtime is brutal on the spec
chilly brook
But they’d flip the fuck out
dapper swift
But they’d flip the fuck out
Dumb who cares if ur downing bosses? Ppl silly
chilly brook
My response was “as soon as I fuck it up and it’s consistent, we can talk about me not doing this”
It never happened
cinder nova
I feel so blessed to be able to get PI and have a WF group spot reserved.
chilly brook
Dumb who cares if ur downing bosses? Ppl silly
Idk some people have to put their expectations of themselves on you
I.e. it scares them because they can’t or won’t do something and therefor you can’t possibly do it
dapper swift
Idk some people have to put their expectations of themselves on you
This is why I lead a casual guild and push content on my own time that makes the game not fun. Ppl like that got e-peen syndrome i think lol
latent pier
I told him he needs to outperform me on a warrior before I even think about list...
Chad energy
chilly brook
He didn't like that.
Real talk though if he wants to fight you over Necrolord direct him to the discord
brave stirrup
can the jailer weapon drop from timewalking quest cache?
ocean yoke
can the jailer weapon drop from timewalking quest cache?
yeah one of our other warriors got it in his
minor helm
Yes
cinder nova
My response was “as soon as I fuck it up and it’s consistent, we can talk about ...
Had a monk tank start chirping in my ear on H Sludge when I didn't instantly run his charge
Worry about what you're doing, I'm already solo tanking because you're not close enough.
chilly brook
Had a monk tank start chirping in my ear on H Sludge when I didn't instantly ru...
Yea I had a great cotank in nathria
He was blood
I just told him to run ahead of me and I’d catch up
He trusted
Let me get charge
It’s rare to get good tanking synergy
vernal vale
Real talk though if he wants to fight you over Necrolord direct him to the disco...
I tried that he read the pin saying g Kyrian=Necrolord and took that as kyrian is better.
dapper swift
I tried that he read the pin saying g Kyrian=Necrolord and took that as kyrian i...
Why he so involved in your spec xD wtf
cinder nova
SAME. I can get my VDH to taunt pretty much on command for a recharge
dapper swift
I tried that he read the pin saying g Kyrian=Necrolord and took that as kyrian i...
maybe he got crush on u 😻
chilly brook
I tried that he read the pin saying g Kyrian=Necrolord and took that as kyrian i...
Fairly certain the pin is assuming average play on necro
cinder nova
I tried that he read the pin saying g Kyrian=Necrolord and took that as kyrian i...
Literally point him to most prot parses
chilly brook
Like sense is running necro on fights he can get away with it
And there’s a reason for that
cinder nova
Are you guys doing N or H
vernal vale
I'm done arguing with the guy. He can kick me and find a new tank. Or just let me play and trust I'm doing my research.
chilly brook
People who try and play the tank for someone else literally drive me nuts
vernal vale
Are you guys doing N or H
Sadly we still had to clear normal again last night because not everyone has 4p yet.
chilly brook
99% of the time they have no idea what they’re talking about
ocean yoke
just start nitpicking their stuff right back
vernal vale
just start nitpicking their stuff right back
I'm nitpicking the fuck out of our paladin who plays like ass.
dapper swift
You know putting whats good and not good aside.. you gott play wat you enjoy @vernal vale find a diff guild xD guy sounds annoying
chilly brook
Why does he want you playing Kyrian anyways?
vernal vale
I've known him for a decade or I would have left.
chilly brook
Like honestly the only thing Kyrian has over necro is burst aoe
vernal vale
He thinks kyrian phial is amazing beyond anything else I think.
chilly brook
Bruh
Phial is a weak ass heal
Barely clears anything in the raid
You get far more healing from the extra rage from banner
ocean yoke
one extra healthstone>a ton of extra rage, damage, and survivability of course
chilly brook
Not to mention one fleshcraft>phial in terms of healing
ocean yoke
does he know you can fleshcraft more than once a fight
cinder nova
Wait is this guy tank or DPS
chilly brook
Not like you’re actually channeling in combat if you’re trying to max your banner
But still lol
dapper swift
Not to mention one fleshcraft>phial in terms of healing
I was going to say that - idk personally bc i play kyrian but i assumed fleshcraft was a big bonus.
cinder nova
Yeah
ocean yoke
yeah and a DR while channeling
vernal vale
Fleshcraft is great if used well
chrome falcon
@vernal vale chances are that your GM is trying to over-micromanage you as one of his good players to compensate for your dogshit players
dapper swift
it has to be used before pulls tho right?
chilly brook
Idk I rarely think about it just hit it before combat and get a full channel or just tap it for a mastery refresh in combat
chrome falcon
that's what i've done in the past when i was having problems
it's a mistake, obviouly
chilly brook
it has to be used before pulls tho right?
Nah you can use it in combat
chrome falcon
but that's probably what it is
dapper swift
Does it stop u from blocking?
chilly brook
No
dapper swift
thats super thicc actually 😮
cinder nova
Not worth doing a full channel unless your banner fell or you're in downtime
dapper swift
tru. I always liked kyrian never thought to try necrolord but didnt know that
chilly brook
Not worth doing a full channel unless your banner fell or you're in downtime
Would be good on desausage when you’re running out to blow up
sturdy sable
I just use it like a monk would zen med
cinder nova
Running out?
sturdy sable
Time it for that 20% dr/what ever shield it is for the hit then stop channeling
ocean yoke
nice on rygelon since you dont get the dot if you full shield the hit
cinder nova
The tank damage doesn't have fall off matt
chilly brook
Running out?
Tank mechanic is a small explosion isn’t it?
cinder nova
Lol
ocean yoke
but i only channel it there right before casting another banner so downtime irrelevant
cinder nova
MATT
ocean yoke
its an aoe but not a distance dropoff
chilly brook
sturdy sable
Tank mechanic is a dot that explodes
cinder nova
Yeah
sturdy sable
Yep
chilly brook
Lmfao
cinder nova
The DBM count down is for healers
chilly brook
They also fucked my uptime on that boss by being Kyrian……
cinder nova
Not tanks
vernal vale
it has to be used before pulls tho right?
Uelse it when you have to stack out for a mechanic/forced downtime
chilly brook
Triple halo had me running for like 20 seconds off the boss because boss is off in Africa and I had to run to China to cast door to skip two of them
Otherwise they wouldn’t have enough time as Kyrian to drop debuff
chilly brook
Your tanks aren't moving to the first halo
They are
But the skip point for the two after that is opposite of that
If you want to skip two halos with one door
vernal vale
<@167799819555831808> chances are that your GM is trying to over-micromanage you...
Very possible
chrome falcon
yeah i troll the shit out of my dps on dausegne it's great
we already have her at like 10% by the second triple ring
and we're never skipping the shield
chrome falcon
so idc if they have downtime because their damage there literally doesn't matter
plus if i kill all of them
i get to solo execute the last shield all by myself
chilly brook
If you pull to the opposite corner of where the first comes out you just skip the last two rings
As long as you have a port
Which tbh is worth
Like everyone should be Nf/venth on that fight it’s worth whatever personal loss is incurred
Frees up so much healing and makes it generally a much easier fight
chrome falcon
counterpoint: frick off i'm trying to parse
chilly brook
counterpoint: frick off i'm trying to parse
Counterpoint: you parse better with more uptime
chilly brook
No one cares about tank damage on desausage
Like I’ll be real I usually am not the one to say that
But making a decision on your covenant to bump tank dps on that fight that lowers group dps is not the move
chrome falcon
and yet here we are
dapper swift
Anybody using booming voice regularly over best served cold in m+? Just curious on opinions
blazing condor
mystic touch baybee
dapper swift
Never liked bsc but been running it bc of the new legendary xD
dapper swift
ik blah i like the burst of bv better i guess + the free rage
chilly brook
But also
Who needs BV anyways
Just get 80% banner uptime
Enhance is your friend
strong forum
Literally worst class
chilly brook
Literally worst class
Gotta troll people somehow
Enhance was worried I wouldn’t be able to tank higher keys
Did 1 key as dps then I was like “nah I’m tanking this next one”
Fed him his highest dps of the season
chilly brook
the amount of healers who join and then leave when they see me as tank
They just don’t know
dapper swift
yeah ppl do talk alot of shit when they see u are prot in a key
chilly brook
Honestly my HP bar reminds me of legion
It’s like either fine
Or it’s like “oh my, what are you idiots doing?”
blazing condor
i dont feel squishy at all
but ive only touched a 22 as my highest
felt fine tho
chilly brook
I don’t either
The times when my hp bar isn’t fine is when things suddenly stop being kicked
vernal vale
Kicking is apparently hard.
jagged pier
well of course it is dps is the hardest job
dapper swift
lol they always just blame tank anyway xD
ebon geyser
look at all those night fae pumping the boss
Imagine being a treehugger
vernal vale
As a main spec tank. I've long used interrupts when im playing dps.
What gets bad is when you have an interrupt tracker and can see who's actually used thier kick.
Half the time I'm tanking it's only my own.
vernal vale
It's a very depressing weak aura
cinder nova
I call that out mid key
Like
You aren't pumping nearly hard enough for me not to care, find your kick bind.
vernal vale
I should do that.
cinder nova
I'll straight up leave keys if I'm having to carry and baby DPS
Straight up don't give a shit
Got told by some lowball havoc that quaking takes you out of invisibility potions
After he broke his and wiped us somehow
dapper swift
Got told by some lowball havoc that quaking takes you out of invisibility potion...
oof
vernal vale
Uh, they fixed quaking so it doesn't do that a long time ago
cinder nova
Literally trash canned the key and said I wasn't gonna carry someone that was bad and stupid
vernal vale
I left a HoA the other day when the druid said warrior was bad because they don't self heal.
cinder nova
Kek
vernal vale
After I died twice with 0 hots on me and kicks being missed.
cinder nova
Bro I hate healers that try to DPS and end up wiping the group so they can do 2k overall
dapper swift
People seem to think any tank that cant pull 50k DPS and 20K+ HPS like bears right now on trash are garbage tanks
vernal vale
Healers trying to dps at the wrong time destroys more keys. Then they always blame tank.
dapper swift
Bro I hate healers that try to DPS and end up wiping the group so they can do 2k...
omg this smfh
cinder nova
That's why I'm pretty locked into my Hpriest she's rock solid and knows how to keep me up without any effort
dapper swift
The only healer that should be pulling dps is disc... and they nerfed that to the ground. and holy paladin. The dps that some healers are pulling rn is stupid and yeah it does affect the out come of keys bc they pug in and dont heal lol. Probably dps in heal spec tbh xD
distant crystal
cringing rn
kind prairie
same i see myself interrupting more than the dps
I find remebering to interrupt* as prot easier than as arms or fury. I'm not sure what it is.
vernal vale
My enhance shaman knows how to resto and only dps when it's safe but I want him to be enhance
median tulip
A good Resto shaman can do a ton of damage (for a healer), but it's all about timing
strong forum
Also requires your group to take no dmg
A shaman can't do both simultaneously
So they can only deal dmg if nobody takes dmg
chrome falcon
just drop tide and spam lava burst ez
strong forum
Tide does like 1k hps
rugged mural
Pretty much BiS for Prot?
strong forum
dapper swift
Pretty much BiS for Prot?
yes
strong forum
Pretty much BiS for Prot?
Pmuch
chrome falcon
that+death god's right
dapper swift
yes
strong forum
Na death God is mastery
rugged mural
Thanks for the quick responses. Thought so but wanted verification
chrome falcon
more haste tho 
dapper swift
from m+ anyways death gods gives ton of haste that y
strong forum
Ya but why go for haste+mastery when you can have haste+crit
I like the top and pf ring
If you want max haste there's a raid ring with close to 300 haste
median tulip
Jeweled Signet for Hate/Crit and autodmg
strong forum
Hate
brazen goblet
is codex any good for prot warr
brazen goblet
cause on my bdk its absolute madness
brazen goblet
yeah thats the thing
strong forum
But once you have 4pc on bdk it's not good anymore
celest nacelle
What are the best trinkets to try and target for M+?
brazen goblet
really ?
topaz fable
Does anyone know if the crit bonus from Elysian Might applies to the first hit of the Spear of Bastion when you cast it?
strong forum
Scale, phial, sack
brazen goblet
just like ows witha dps trinket
celest nacelle
Cool, thanks
topaz fable
The First Sigil is amazing for Necrotic too, if you are Kyrian
strong forum
Faulty countermeasures is good for pure ST dmg
median tulip
AFE is ok in a fight where movement is limited. I don't like it when using Reprisal
chrome falcon
my bdk solo tanked rygelon and codex was his top damage
strong forum
my bdk solo tanked rygelon and codex was his top damage
That's rygelon
chrome falcon
yeah it's not the norm
strong forum
Extreme dmg intake especially if you solotank
chrome falcon
was pretty funny though
strong forum
But in m+ your dmg intake as bdk with 4pc, and if you're playing well, is actually pretty low
Due to 80%+ uptime of drw
So you'd prefer haste
vernal vale
Jeweled Signet for Hate/Crit and autodmg
I never saw it all of legion. I definitely don't expect it in limited timewalking windowz
glacial swift
any trinkets from legion timewalking m+ that are worth chasing after for prot war?
median tulip
any trinkets from legion timewalking m+ that are worth chasing after for prot wa...
Faulty Countermeasures
glacial swift
thank you
strong forum
Windscar whetstone should be nuts aswell
Idk why nobody is talking about it anymore
strong forum
Sure but last time I checked it still did like 600 dps in m+
Which was still more than double of every other trinket back then
median tulip
What about the 2 from Thicket?
strong forum
Negatory
glacial swift
icy veins mentions Writhing Heart of Darkness
strong forum
It's shit ever since they fixed it
It used to be % reduction
Now it's just a flat amount
And that flat amount is incredibly low
glacial swift
ok, guess i'm better off farming scale and codex then 🙂
median tulip
oh; the thing I was looking at say % reduction, so I guess that's that
pseudo crest
hi, can you jump over dausegnes rings with heroic jump without getting the debuff?
strong forum
Afaik no
median tulip
Nightmare Egg Shell seems like a lot of Haste tho
strong forum
Its low ppm iirc
But fun when you have it
It's a mini BL whenever it procs
So it's worth a shot atleast
craggy pilot
does Pestilence Slime drop sanguine in PF?
strong forum
If it has a yellow hp bar, no, if it has a red hp bar, extremely likely
median tulip
Its low ppm iirc
0.667ppm according to a post on wowhead. Although that post was made in 7.1.5
chrome falcon
well the ppm is fine but it's just a weak proc until you hit high stacks, right?
that's my memory of it
funny trinket though i liked it in legion a lot
strong forum
It's a 20sec buff
That ramps up 1 stack per sec
So getting less than 1proc per min, is pretty bad
chrome falcon
yee so the first few seconds are kinda doodoo but the end is insane
lemme get that during execute slurp slrup
ebon geyser
This allergies are killing me
chrome falcon
even at just 210, each stack is about the same as a stack of 239 OWS
strong forum
It is, the last 8sec are more than BL
ebon geyser
Why is this discord so wholesome
chrome falcon
idk about you guys but i don't help people because i like helping people
i help people because bad prot warrior play genuinely nauseates me
west walrus
chrome falcon
it's honestly fucking tragic that HoV isn't in rotation
imagine a 272 horn of valour
jesus
ebon geyser
I agree @strong forum and @jagged pier make this place great. But is all until we get @ionic fern and @undone sun back. After that the real og' s take over
vernal vale
it's honestly fucking tragic that HoV isn't in rotation
I loved that trinket in legion
vernal vale
The other one I used a lot was spiked countermeasure or whatever
Seems it doesn't scale well or something based on Sims. Or they changed its ppm
oblique garnet
I agree <@192743144276623360> and <@179993058186625025> make this place great....
🤔
strong forum
Late was yellow before me
strong forum
ebon geyser
I believe
cinder nova
shut summit
cinder nova
Lol
dapper swift
https://i.imgur.com/I4GHrq2.png
😂
cinder nova
To be fair I've had some cringe prot tanks in keys I just wanted to DPS in
ebon geyser
Lmao
chilly brook
i help people because bad prot warrior play genuinely nauseates me
Actually true
sweet summit
ty sense that's a banger meme
latent pier
When you have three shaman and not one of them kicks the fucking casting vampire in the back god dammit why
chilly brook
When you have three shaman and not one of them **kicks the fucking casting vampi...
Dps brain
See what you gotta do
Is tell them that it’s a DPS gain to kick that mob
Because then it stacks
And then you’re hitting an extra target
cinder nova
Smoothbrain jagaloons without a mouseover kick
sweet summit
focus >> mouseover
cinder nova
Gonna focus every pack
sweet summit
yes?
cinder nova
Two macros to do one job
sweet summit
yes
cinder nova
Just aim 4hed
sweet summit
smoky warren
ngl i've been really enjoying prot warrior this tier. The "how long can I keep my banner going" mini game feels rewarding and has lots of room for improvement. I'm only doing 15-19s atm but i'm curious to see how far I can take it
sweet summit
ya it's great fun
fast nacelle
hey, i look for a WA which track the setbonus. i didnt finde any on Wago. can any help?
west walrus
dapper swift
They have a really good one listed in the pins
fast nacelle
thank you @dapper swift @west walrus
west walrus
You're welcome
jagged pier
i didnt like it I made my own
fast nacelle
@jagged pier u share it on wago or only private
jagged pier
tell me when
easier to use WA takes less memory
my pc is shit so
use the light weight version where i can
chilly brook
Oh
chilly brook
I member using tell me when in WoD
jagged pier
sick sentinel
smoky warren
on pull, would you guys recommend using outburst with thunderclap for snap threat purposes? Or should I just save it for shield slam
for m+ that is
ocean yoke
on pull, would you guys recommend using outburst with thunderclap for snap threa...
Save it for shield slam. use the reprisal revenge proc and the rage from the slam for more revenges
that should handle initial threat fine
especially with things like ravager going youll be good
smoky warren
ohh true that makes sense, thanks!
chilly brook
on pull, would you guys recommend using outburst with thunderclap for snap threa...
slam
just press revenge
spending rage is good
west walrus
tell me when
TMW, reminds me so many things
I made the switch to WA... well, during BfA :D
cinder nova
WA is just so powerful. It's an add on that makes add ons
Tastes like a guy that got sick of reloading his own addons and just wrote this so he could do it in game
urban portal
Also much simpler
carmine pine
i find myself having way to much nostalgia over tmw to give it up. i use weakauras for alot of things but tmw is still bae
cinder nova
TMW is the Elmer Fudd wood stock nostalgists instead of just using modern, lighter materials with more durability
I can't imagine carrying a wood stock rifle on hunts
obtuse marten
Quick question for M+: anger management or heavy repercussions?
chrome falcon
AM
uncut notch
holy fuck
static hinge
Does the pvp 1shot still work or been hotfixed yet?
uncut notch
Never seen triple digits before
static hinge
Surv?
uncut notch
MM
static hinge
Wow
odd tree
Never seen triple digits before
what did they finish at?
static hinge
I've seen 85k
static hinge
They usually are for some reason..
odd tree
damn
uncut notch
Not even to me tho like he was just bullying this lock to leave the key saying he didnt need him
carmine pine
Love a big cunt
odd tree
real nice dps for an 18
and why can i never find boomies that can do that, or barely ever?
carmine pine
boomies arent real people bud
carmine pine
chilly brook
I can't imagine carrying a wood stock rifle on hunts
I’m going to put a wood stock on my rifle for my first time going hunting when I get to Texas just for you
carmine pine
awe how sweet
cinder nova
I’m going to put a wood stock on my rifle for my first time going hunting when I...
Enjoy the extra poundage
I hope your arm falls off for being a boomer
pliant sage
Progress update, I have ZM flying and Unity with the 2k Cosmic Flux to craft Reprisal at 291. Now I just need to do Torghast to get the cinders and ash. Is Prot a good spec to do Torghast with compared to Arms or Fury?
carmine pine
i always enjoy some extra poundage bud
pliant sage
i always enjoy some extra poundage bud
iirc that makes them jiggle more.
chilly brook
chilly brook
Progress update, I have ZM flying and Unity with the 2k Cosmic Flux to craft Rep...
It’s fine
Any of the specs blast through torghast
chilly brook
I hope your arm falls off for being a boomer
Boomers would be off put by my firearms tbh
blazing condor
WHAT DO YOU GOT TO HIDE BUDDY
Judging by the staples i’d imagine thats like 7k overall
blazing condor
Nice
pliant sage
Alrighty now I just need to run the dang thing like 6x (I'm not got at Torghast so I only have level 10 unlocked)
chilly brook
Just do jailers gauntlet
pliant sage
I haven't really tried it. I know I can do rank 1 of gauntlet, can I repeat it for the same rewards? Like doing it twice for the same rewards as if doing the same layer 9 floors
chrome falcon
probably not even rank 3 on lihuvim 
washed
shows me rank 3 but if i had to bet jakey probably beat me
chilly brook
shows me rank 3 but if i had to bet jakey probably beat me
You’d beat me if it makes you feel any better
ocean yoke
Alrighty now I just need to run the dang thing like 6x (I'm not got at Torghast ...
If you get 3k flux you can buy all the cinders and soul ash ylu need from the vendor in zereth mortis. Not sure how close you would be for that so the torgs may be faster
pliant sage
If you get 3k flux you can buy all the cinders and soul ash ylu need from the ve...
I'd need 5k. Seems more time efficient to just farm Cosmic Flux rn
3k for materials and 2k for crafting
ocean yoke
Ahh you're at 2k flat, mb
median tulip
Alrighty now I just need to run the dang thing like 6x (I'm not got at Torghast ...
The week before they put in the Soul Ash/Cinder packages I farmed enough Cinders for 3 leggos by just spamming layer 9 over and over. Layer 9 is the best time to currency ratio going.
pliant sage
Yeah, I have like 2.8k total. I want the leggo but I don't want to send 6 hours in torghast
median tulip
My record was 6 minutes for a run.
pliant sage
Good God, I doubt I can go that fast.
median tulip
Go in as prot, run directly to floor boss, repeat until done
pliant sage
How do you even collect powers?
median tulip
You don't
pliant sage
o.o
chrome falcon
it's only layer 9
which is last patch content
so all you need is some ilvl and the free powers at the start of floors and stuff
jagged pier
same tho jakey i just move out giga late and risk dps getting fucked
nah your rank 4 my first kill i did like 10 dps more than u
pliant sage
I think my warrior is at 235rn
jagged pier
this week i did nothing
median tulip
Half the mobs give up and reset if you go far enough past their spawn point
chrome falcon
@jagged pier https://gyazo.com/58467fde41c5d8c95646c461f9664b8c WHOOPS
pretty sure i can pop a 90 second CD more than 2 times in a 9 minute fight
my maths might be wrong though
pliant sage
so all you need is some ilvl and the free powers at the start of floors and stuf...
I'll try this, may be efficient. If it sucks I'm only losing 1-2 hours and can just farm CM later
chrome falcon
gauntlet is definitely the least painful torghast experience
you get to the god build pretty quick
chilly brook
And it doesn’t waste much time
pliant sage
gauntlet is definitely the least painful torghast experience
When I did it on Vengeance and Survival (only did layer 1) it was actually a decent challenge
outer sluice
what are best stats again? to make my lego
pliant sage
But this is what I should be doing to not be bad at wow. So Jailers Gauntlet when I get home tonight
sweet summit
what are best stats again? to make my lego
haste vers
pliant sage
There's a stat question. Long ago in the before times Prot used to stack Mastery like no other because critical block was amazing. Is Vers better now because it applies to magic and physical? (Can't block a spell etc)
chrome falcon
you get a truckload of mastery from necro anyway and yeah mastery doesn't help us survive things we're bad at surviving
it doesn't really matter much either way
pliant sage
Yeah but overall 10% DR is probably better than a 30% DR on physical only (assuming 10% vers as a baseline). Makes logical sense no matter what
chrome falcon
you can't really directly compare them like that
that's giga feelycraft
also the OVERWHELMING majority of damage you take in m+ is physical
pliant sage
Oh. I was thinking of X damage being given out and A is being reduced by block with B reduced by vers. If A is greater than B then block is better. I guess it's just feelcraft. And ya the vast majority of dungeon damage is physical so it doesn't make sense to say Block better or Vers better. (Agreeing while thinking the problem through)
undone sun
I agree <@192743144276623360> and <@179993058186625025> make this place great....
😵 mwahi left?
jagged pier
no
blazing condor
uncut notch
Why you not showing us your damage Mcguire
I did 8.5k that run, but honestly I was just getting aggro and running things out of sanguine, didn’t really need to get involved as the hunter was just blitzing everything
dusty ice
Any good trinkets out of time walking legion or stick to scale and codex ?
lofty widget
faulty countermeasures is great for pure ST, maybe the cos ring as well but not much outside those 2
distant crystal
ye
mighty valley
i'm just choosing not to care about legion gear since hunting for individual drops on a time limited event sounds like a way to make myself miserable
if i get something, neat
vernal vale
i'm just choosing not to care about legion gear since hunting for individual dro...
I'm already miserable by chasing countermeasures
vernal vale
cos ring has good stats right
Haste, crit. For me it Sims better than every other ring available.
mighty valley
tiny drop chance from the most frustrating dungeon... you are a mind warrior
vernal vale
I was nostalgic for some legion stuff but I'm thinking nah, I might as well just do my great vault and if I get it great if not then I should move on.
chrome falcon
on my 15th vault run
cannot believe i got the mount before countermeasure
AND the guy who got the countermeasure in my run wouldn't trade the mount for it
vernal vale
Oof
mighty valley
I did a 20 vault last time legion timewalking was up and the first boss felt like mythic prog to us
looked up the stats and less than ten teams in the world had bothered to time a 20+ vault
just real quirky tuning
chrome falcon
first boss of vault can fuck pretty hard
and if you get hit by glaive on the last boss on a 10 it instantly kills everyone but the tank
vernal vale
I'm gonna finish off my vault. This week and and if I don't get countermeasure or CoS ring. I'll just try again next time.
distant crystal
keys are a lot harder when nobody remembers any mechanics lol
lots of "oh ok I guess we have to kick that"
vernal vale
keys are a lot harder when nobody remembers any mechanics lol
I completely forgot how to do Vault of the Wardens final boss. Got kicked off the edge
pliant sage
cannot believe i got the mount before countermeasure
Grats on the mount.
chrome falcon
i just want my 2% dps increase
distant crystal
i also got the mount in there lol
chrome falcon
pliant sage
Not even sure what mount.
distant crystal
after kicking my mage guildy mid pull on last boss for memes, then finding out it wouldn't let me invite him back in combat
infinite timereaver
pliant sage
Oh. Well grats that's a pretty rare drop imo
vernal vale
i just want my 2% dps increase
My gear is bad it's like an 8% increase for me.
distant crystal
lofty widget
can you sim an item you dont have?
vernal vale
Yeah droptimizer on raidbots
distant crystal
you can also shiftclick an item in game into your /simc command
but it usually drops to the default ilvl so you gotta add ,ilevel=278 or w/e
lofty widget
ah cheers
dense hound
now i can enjoy the game lel 
pliant sage
Grats on 3k
sage yacht
pog
dense hound
ty guys, all thanks to this discord channel 😄
sweet summit
love the name
pliant sage
This discord channel is helping me a super amount as well. I picked up 1k DPS and suck a significant amount less.
sweet summit
all you, king
grave crane
so whats the opinon on the raid rings cause so far i have 1 that has no haste so it feels kinda shitty
blazing condor
the big haste ring kinda pogging
pliant sage
Na, @chrome falcon yelling at me helped as well. Zetakya actually taking time to explain things to me was super amazing too
blazing condor
helpful valarjars
ebon geyser
😵 mwahi left?
dont scare me like that , they did say YOU left Us
chrome falcon
dw i've always got more yelling in the tank
grave crane
dw i've always got more yelling in the tank
in the tank heh
pliant sage
If it's helpful it's just motivation
vernal vale
Hahaha
livid dagger
@pliant sage what are some of the best suggestions / tips they taught you?
pliant sage
<@148852771767058433> what are some of the best suggestions / tips they taught y...
How the spec interacts with Revenge resets, how to set up actual damage abilities for more offensive pressure. I learned I was leaning on Shockwave too much. And they broke down the interaction between Necro Banner and rage management using Ignore Pain as a rage dump instead of seeing it as a higher priority than Revenge. Mostly tuning the use of spells to not suck at keeping the spec going.
I'm still playing with globals learning how to put things together but solid teaching is still solid.
The MarcelionOnline podcast that was released just a bit ago going over Prot helped as well.
pliant sage
no SS is highest prio
Shield Slam to make rage, primary rage spender after shield block is Revenge and if you are going to cap/overcap use Ignore Pain from what I read. Thunderclap on cooldown (unless it's going to consume the 4p bonus). The point is to try to fish for Revenge procs and Shield Slam resets isn't it?
chrome falcon
i don't TC on cooldown most of the time i just keep pressing revenge
but it depends if ravager is up or close
pliant sage
Like I said, I have the idea. I'm still putting it in practice.
chrome falcon
yep
sacred timber
Im just coming to the conclusion that I suck too much to always spend all my rage
mighty valley
TC is very feelycrafty, you just kinda figure out over time when you can afford to spend rage rather than gain 5
tender oyster
Any tips for dealing with sanguine in keys? Most other tanks have some sort of movement displacement, what do yalll do to get stuff out of the puddles?
blazing condor
Any tips for dealing with sanguine in keys? Most other tanks have some sort of m...
thinking proactively
LOS
stunning something thats about to die and moving rest of the group
tender oyster
As i have been, just trying to see if im missing anything else more than the obvious
blazing condor
yeah thats kinda what you do
interrupt casters in puddles
you can also out-range if you can't LOS
but thats not really that good
easiest is probably just to think proactively and not reactively
cinder nova
Yeah move as they start getting low
dark lark
Is the court of stars ring worth farming this week?
lofty widget
it's a well-statted ring but i dont think the effect is very good
at 272 its a 0.3 % ST dps increase for me with 265 rings to maybe put things in perspective
vernal vale
Is the court of stars ring worth farming this week?
It Sims high for me bit only by 2% more than other rings.
So likely depends on what else you have.
lofty widget
countermeasures on the other hand 
vernal vale
I would say it's worth going for bur don't kill yourself to get
vernal vale
countermeasures on the other hand <:Sighted:668436711973584907>
Countermeasures is 8% for me
median tulip
I have done so many runs of VOTW already
rigid flower
Has anything happened to reflects in m+ for you guys? Rotspew in NW no longer consumes reflect with aura for me
steel mist
any noticable trinkets and items from the legion dungeons?
vernal vale
any noticable trinkets and items from the legion dungeons?
faulty countermeasure
cinder storm
I've done over 30 runs on streets alone, only seen encrypted in two runs on left side, panthers, anyone knows what triggers this?
cinder elm
Necro or Kyrian guys for m+? whats difference between them
honest parcel
Oh, alright, thanks 😄
vernal vale
lol
rigid flower
Is there any sort of trick to do the orbs in spires, or is it just a make people actually do mechanics sort of thing? I know reflect just blows the upfront hit
mighty valley
it's the dot that kills once it's stacked up high, so you don't want to blow everything immediately
aegis does work if you have it
but if anyone with a real immunity can handle some/all quickly then that's dandy
rigid flower
Does that work with shield wall? Like if you have a big dot you wall after you've got it?
rigid flower
Okay, that'll definitely help for some other encounters. I wasn't sure if I had to wall ahead of time
chrome falcon
then SW as soon as i have all the stacks
if something casts shadow bolt on you
you need to SW before it CASTS
but dots you can SW after they're applied
rigid flower
yeah I'd love to have aegis, or really anything better than stoneheart
my drop luck is the worst
rigid flower
Since that's last tier I figure just trying to get scale is more likely
mighty valley
I only have heroic and haven't tried to go back to mythic this patch, I dunno if there are any communities that run sanctums
rigid flower
I need more practice with DoS anyway. Terrified of that dungeon cause of the big magic damage pulls without an absorb trinket
median tulip
When you go in on the first platform, hit Spell Reflect. The soldiers do an instant cast shadow damage attack that you need the extra mitigation for. If you have 4pc, throw in Avatar as well
In fact, pretty much just SR on cooldown
It's not actually that bad this week; Hakkar on the other hand, is a twat
rigid flower
Hakkar requires some good timings, but it's mostly the early trash that bugs me
mighty valley
This season's affix lets you blow everything on the first pull, previous seasons you really wanted to save SW for the 2nd pack
rigid flower
I'll have to check routes these days. for a while people were going both left and right
median tulip
There's 2 theoretical routes that require Wo skips; Direct to Ardenweald, and direct to Hakkar
rigid flower
I don't have 4set yet, but 2set is still taking some getting used to. Will make a WA for it I think
median tulip
I say theoretical; I know people are using them, but GFL getting pugs to do them properly
median tulip
I don't have 4set yet, but 2set is still taking some getting used to. Will make ...
Pretty easy to do
rigid flower
Yeah the long wo skip is fun in coordinated groups, but that's a big emphasis on coordinated
I mean hell, I still have groups who can't even do the wo skip at the start of mists
mighty valley
There's a WA in pins that's good enough for me
rigid flower
ah I've been using luxthos just forgot to update it for 9.2 I think
ocean yoke
gotta love not having played fae long enough to not think about it using soulshape and fucking everyone over
for first sigil*
old flame
Guardian or Skollex shield, same ilvl
brave stirrup
I got one shot on skollex twice in a pug, my fault or was the other tank not doing something right ?
old flame
heroic or normal?
brave stirrup
Raid finder trying to pick up tier
old flame
uhh nothing should 1shot you in that level
ocean yoke
only thing that can is riftmaw
brave stirrup
Hmmm, happened at his combo
old flame
and you can SR that
ocean yoke
debuff still 500% on lfr
old flame
on normal
ocean yoke
yeah can SR it
old flame
and LFR
austere forum
Umm. Is Hekili ok to use to learn the priority rotation? Or is it strictly for dps gain?
chrome falcon
What is heklii
brave stirrup
So that was strictly my fault? I can’t survive it if I don’t SR it? Or was he supposed to taunt during the combo
urban portal
Umm. Is Hekili ok to use to learn the priority rotation? Or is it strictly for d...
pls dont use it for tank
chrome falcon
Your cotank fucked up
ocean yoke
supposed to taunt during, if you SR you dont get it at all for lfr
chrome falcon
If heklii is that guitar hero thing please god do NOT use it
austere forum
If heklii is that guitar hero thing please god do NOT use it
Thanks for the warning ⛔️
chrome falcon
Heklii and similar addons have never made anyone better at the game but especially it’s bad for tanks
brave stirrup
Ok, so what are tanks supposed to do during riftmaw? I interpreted what I read is that each tank taunts between the 3 hits? He never died, I did during my hits
austere forum
Wait- we can SR the Skrillex combo??
urban portal
Heklii and similar addons have never made anyone better at the game but especial...
i wouldnt say that, since hekili will let you parse 60-70 and thats by definition not bad
chrome falcon
It won’t make you a better player though
It’ll just make you worse when you turn it off
austere forum
But it will make you a better parser!?