Why not
#protection
latent pier
brave stirrup
wraith hemlock
Why not
Cuz it's not what I studied for and also this is not the forum for talking bout pc performance issues? This is a prot war forum/discord
There are a lot of forums with IT techs and engineers that can help you with your issue. I can not. It also does not help you aren't providing any specs of your computer nor resolution at which you play.
There are MANY things that can cause FPS drops while playing wow. Too much resources being used, thermal throttling, outdated addons, outdated weakauras, outdated drivers, etc, etc. It is an issue that you must sit down and try to pin down on your own. Monitoring it could certainly help but it is not guaranteed.
craggy pilot
whats a good spot for Unity, if i have Rperisal on legs, and Arms lego on belt? ๐ค
odd tree
wrist
wraith hemlock
lowest ilvl that aint tier could work too
wraith hemlock
cloak and wrist give out the same amount of primary and secondary
craggy pilot
wrist gives 1 more
huge
wraith hemlock
well if you are that hard of a min-maxer I guess it kinda matters?
distant crystal
you also get a socket on wrist
wraith hemlock
^
wraith hemlock
cloak for wall only kinda
wraith hemlock
LMAO I guess THAT also matters
craggy pilot
but i think boots are better?
but i alrdy have Reprisal 291 boots
and Painbringer 291 belt
distant crystal
fair
wild hemlock
wraith hemlock
I just went with necklace since I had a guildie who could make them at 291 if I got the mats which was faster and cheaper for me. Also don't use that slot for anything and I doubt my guild would kill mythic jailer any time soon for it to matter
sweet summit
but a metric fuckton more secondaries
cloak is prob the worst slot to craft unity on
odd tree
really easy to get a neck from dungeons/raid as they're on everyone's loot table, plus no primary stats
same with ring. every run those are the most traded items
latent pier
Cuz it's not what I studied for and also this is not the forum for talking bout ...
it was a joke :(
cerulean wyvern
haven't played prot in a while. For Raid and M+, what's the covenant of choice? Kyrian or necro? Which soulbinds for each covenant?
real fossil
For m+ Necro (Marileth) is a lot tankier than kyrian (mika), but kyrian has better burst dps
After only playing kyrian for a lot of keys I swapped necro and have felt safer if the healer is not good, but I zug zug less on trash and do about the same dmg on bosses
wraith hemlock
really easy to get a neck from dungeons/raid as they're on everyone's loot table...
Yep and I do plan on swapping it places since I've gold now but at the time it was the cheapest option (and my lowest ilvl slot)
wraith hemlock
After only playing kyrian for a lot of keys I swapped necro and have felt safer ...
Also, just to add, if you get people who benefit well from mastery you give them huge dps increase
real fossil
Also, just to add, if you get people who benefit well from mastery you give them...
If you pretend pugs are NPCs, you tend to be happier in life
cerulean wyvern
what covenant/soulbind are you guys running in raid?
wraith hemlock
I don't have enough time to spend in LFG for pugs to fail keys
lofty widget
what covenant/soulbind are you guys running in raid?
necro marileth
wraith hemlock
also I can bitch at my guild mates all I want when they fuck up (in a not-mean way)
smoky warren
Does the free ignore pain you get from seeing red (2pc) count as rage spent for banner uptime?
lofty widget
nop
wraith hemlock
I just want old spell reflect back. that's all I ask for
cold zealot
Any tips for dausegne mythic? Except trying to reflect the cone ability and almost dying ๐
chilly brook
Any tips for dausegne mythic? Except trying to reflect the cone ability and almo...
yea play NF or Venthyr
make it easier on your group
mossy ferry
where do i get MDT routes to import to my addon again? cant find on raider.io or...
https://keystone.guru/ is pretty good for looking up different versions of routes.
blazing condor
M+ right now is weird
Feelin invulnerable in keys
Then again havent pushed high yet but the same levels would hurt way more prev season
Tier just stronk
Also necro ig
chrome falcon
nothing tainted that's just a faerie
sweet summit
taint...
vernal vale
Wow, @chrome falcon you almost got Sense take that as a win. Most of us can only dream of getting close.
brave stirrup
Great job @chrome falcon
chrome falcon
GIVE ME MY FUCKING TRINKETS BLIZZARD REEEEEEEE
jagged pier
those trinkets arent 400 dps btw
odd tree
Feelin invulnerable in keys
had a similar experience last night. trying to convince myself that it isn't due to tyran + no tank affix
opal sierra
how many targets is it worth using thunderclap over ss with outburst?
jagged pier
literally never
mighty valley
all we wanna be doing now is making rage and spending rage, so you really don't want to miss out on 30 rage by using the proc on tc over ss
only times would be if you desperately need aoe burst threat right now for some reason, or you're finishing off a pack and there's a big gap til the next one or something
grave crane
Someone said put it on CD at 6 stacks which sounds like a good idea. I gotta get used to that otherwise I just press it before thinking and boom wasted proc
chrome falcon
yep
it's not like 100% perfect in every situation
but it's a decent rule while you learn the habit
wild rampart
can i leap over artificer rings?
mighty valley
No
jagged pier
no
chrome falcon
you can swap inspiring presence for safeguard or condensed anima sphere
condensed anima sphere > brutal vit i was just trying it out for a bit
that's my raid set up but it's only 1 conduit different to my m+ set up
in m+?
idk about that ravager is sick
yeah if that's what itf actually did
idk ravager does fucking buckets of damage and caps your rage bar
it's real good
mighty valley
most of the raiderio top 10 is using ravager, couple aren't
mighty valley
crit is fun, big number
grave crane
more crit more parries
mighty valley
haste is still overall best stat don't worry
grave crane
what is there to think about, pick up shield get behind it, profit
grave crane
chilly brook
lmfao
lofty widget
no
grave crane
i thought they said Thunderclap
chilly brook
anyone who ran vers corruptions before doing like 26s were major copers
grave crane
that stats are minimally impactful
wait that means that it comes down to mechanics rather than stats?
chilly brook
press your buttons
lofty widget
need more haste
chilly brook
profit
mellow patio
|| verse is for nerds ||
chilly brook
wait that means that it comes down to mechanics rather than stats?
yea
mechanics and playing well
just press buttons
west walrus
mighty valley
you can't do keys without maintaining the +1 vers buff from cozy campfire
literally impossible
strong forum
Facts
chilly brook
|| verse is for nerds ||
||Vers is for nerds||
west walrus
(don't take it too seriously :D)
lofty widget
isnt the reason vers is 2nd on our stat prio that it's big for dam?
chilly brook
vers is literally a meme
west walrus
Crit makes you parry several abilities :D
lofty widget
not cause we need it to live
chilly brook
isnt the reason vers is 2nd on our stat prio that it's big for dam?
it's our second stat because it's good for both
if you're talking dam crit/haste
strong forum
It's good for both, but mostly defensively cuz it works for everything
chilly brook
People care way too much about vers tho
west walrus
Damn, I started playing with, I am so bad ;(
hard vessel
It's better than crit cause you can't parry magic dmg
chilly brook
you have to have so much vers for it to make noticeable impacts
hard vessel
Just take haste vers on everything and be happy
chilly brook
and at that point you'd gain more from a good distribution of stats
lofty widget
haste crit 100%
hard vessel
But do you like these bolts in halls?
west walrus
Na, I'm haste crit gamer
lofty widget
yes, they tickle
west walrus
Spell reflection
hard vessel
You can't kick and reflect all
west walrus
War stomp
strong forum
Kill em 
chilly brook
I swear this is wrong
west walrus
Just play tauren
lofty widget
you rotate your cds to eat the rest
chilly brook
my sheet said 33% haste in game last night
strong forum
20% vers ain't gonna make you magically live 3 wicked bolts
lofty widget
with a 1 min wall cd its more than fine
chilly brook
strong forum
Cuz it's only 10% DR
chilly brook
Cuz it's only 10% DR
and this is the problem with vers
gotta get like 30% for it to even be noticeable
strong forum
Yup
mighty valley
do other tank discords get anxiety over stats or are they too busy getting invited to dungeons and cool parties and stuff
chilly brook
do other tank discords get anxiety over stats or are they too busy getting invit...
they do
strong forum
1200 vers to only get 15% DR at the cost of other stats
chilly brook
people are obsessed with vers ever since s4 of BFA
grave crane
its not even the whole disc lol its one guy
strong forum
Big yike
chilly brook
its not even the whole disc lol its one guy
it's a lot of tanks in general
mighty valley
people come in here asking how much vers to live all the time
chilly brook
did a key with a prot warrior who talked about how he has so much vers now
urban portal
mastery does almost as well as vers btw
for blocking wickeds
since you get big pains
IP
so does haste
lofty widget
urban portal
more IP=more bolt soaks
chilly brook
grave crane
i mean im just memeing but im sure some new people are more worried about stat allocation if they switch specs to tank
urban portal
because theres just misinformation all around
chilly brook
i mean im just memeing but im sure some new people are more worried about stat a...
it's not even new people lol
lofty widget
so how much mastery do i need to tank 15 halls?
chilly brook
like even most mythic guilds assume vers should be stacked on tanks
it's dumb
corruptions were the worst thing to happen to this game
grave crane
thats odd, no one in my guild gives a fuck what im stacking as long as im not dying theyre aok with it
i would imagine the people that are saying stack verse dont know how much you need to get a decent amount of DR like 1000 verse gets you 26% about so thats what 14% dr?
chilly brook
It's like the age old "oh hey we're finally on a tank heavy damage fight" and you die on the third pull and they're like "ok what's going on, can you equip more of this or add a different trinket?" etc.
Like chill
I'm tracking there's an issue just pull again and let me move some stuff around or allocate a CD
chilly brook
i would imagine the people that are saying stack verse dont know how much you ne...
13%
1:0.5 ratio
ebon geyser
corruptions were the worst thing to happen to this game
azerite power says hi
every single BS barrow power says hi as well
median tulip
since you get big pains
also crit block
grave crane
13%
i thought i typed 13 but yeah like any time i die to prog the RL and healers are like so uh what happened and im like i didnt have a CD up cause im dumb
chilly brook
azerite power says hi
doesn't have any lasting effects past the implementation
urban portal
if you wanna beat bolts it would be haste>vers~=mastery>crit
chilly brook
whereas corruptions seem to have rotted brains
median tulip
oh I may have missed some conversational context; just got out of raid and looked at Discord
median tulip
wut?
strong forum
7
chilly brook
in what content
dark lark
Isn't the 30 row like double time, storm bolt etc?
median tulip
Isn't the 30 row like double time, storm bolt etc?
BSC vs BV vs Dragon Roar
dark lark
BSC vs BV vs Dragon Roar
@shell fox best served cold
lofty widget
i've had some success with BV in keys, but i might just be feelycrafting and actually gimping myself
dark lark
4p BV
chilly brook
i've had some success with BV in keys, but i might just be feelycrafting and act...
it's the best rage generating option
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
dark lark
BV is fine, BSC is just more consistent in keys
BV gets a ton more value with 4p but it's still good without
ebon geyser
excuse you
chilly brook
BV would be better for banner uptime and 4p
median tulip
I'd consider running BV for Raid, if I felt I needed it
chilly brook
but you're also killing the damage of revenge
lofty widget
ebon geyser
ravager wut
median tulip
but you're also killing the damage of revenge
20% more Shield Slam damage on ST tho; ok for raid
lofty widget
big dum dps
median tulip
First time in the raid as Necro today; went well
lofty widget
gushing?
lofty widget
oh yeah
chilly brook
cold steel hot blood
chilly brook
crits with bloodthirst proc'd it
strong forum
Hated it
dusky canopy
Haste Crit gang
chilly brook
haste crit for big dam
median tulip
The synergy with that and Blood of the Enemy was dumb
dusky canopy
sweet summit
good one bazzles
vernal vale
Honestly, verse is all in the head unless you have stupid amounts. My gear I've wound up with has me at 25% or so and I don't notice a significant difference in comparison to my old gear that had more mastery.
chrome falcon
bdk's aoe isn't that absurd unless they're actually getting HIT by the stuff right
and you're only getting hit 1 by thing at a time on pantheon so
vernal vale
And I'm just a slightly decent warrior compared to lots of others in here.
chilly brook
bdk's aoe isn't that absurd unless they're actually getting HIT by the stuff rig...
it's got an ICD
so really only gets triggered by one or two mobs anyways
vernal vale
My raid sounds like it's still gonna clear normal tonight instead of focusing towards heroic. I'm the only one left without tier bonuses. We should move on.
I can pug a normal to try for the bonuses.
If tier still hates me creation catalyst is here I'm only a few weeks away from 4p
dusky sentinel
Anyone have a link to necro build? I figured id test it defensively in crap keys like streets, halls, sanguine etc
lofty widget
something like this
you can swap safeguard for anima sphere/rally conduit as you prefer
median tulip
something like this
I'd go left on the lowest tier for Viscous Trail
lofty widget
yeah as i said you can swap safeguard for anima sphere, i dont personally feel like i need the slow from viscous trail tho, and the stagger effect is quite nice
median tulip
I tend to go right on the middle path if I want a finesse
vernal vale
Rally, last stand, fleshcraft just before key starts gives giant absorb to start
toxic pewter
Rally, last stand, fleshcraft just before key starts gives giant absorb to start
Am i missing something but last stand/rallying cry last less than the 10 seconds it takes to to even encounter mobs after a key starts
lofty widget
they both increase your hp, so if youfleshcraft afterwards your shield will be a lot bigger
toxic pewter
Ohhhhh damn thats smart
median tulip
Am i missing something but last stand/rallying cry last less than the 10 seconds...
Fleshcraft gives you a shield based on your HP when you cast it; so you use Rallying Cry and Last Stand to increase your health before the key starts and fleshcraft at the higher max HP; then starting the key resets their cooldowns
vernal vale
^
toxic pewter
ty for that tip
vernal vale
It's at like 95k for me at this time and I'm only a 265ilvl
median tulip
You've got Inspiring Presence socketed then
vernal vale
Yeah, purely for that reason.
Intervene conduit is good but so is rally being bigger.
blazing condor
my 21 streets depleted on last boss 
but i got sack 
median tulip
Does starting a key reset trinket CDs?
vernal vale
my 21 streets depleted on last boss <:sadge:820202363359854633>
but i got sack ...
Well now you have sack you never need it again.
lofty widget
my 21 streets depleted on last boss <:sadge:820202363359854633>
but i got sack ...
๐
toxic pewter
is sack better than codex for prot
blazing condor
im looking to get codex eventually
cus im running aegis + 246 OWS rn
or at least something to replace ows
lofty widget
solid combo tbh
median tulip
I run double techniques at the moment; best I have available
blazing condor
feel like i'll still use ows for the time being since the haste is pretty nice both defensively as wlel
but now i can pad raids better
median tulip
It's at like 95k for me at this time and I'm only a 265ilvl
Mmmmm
That's almost a whole free health bar
vernal vale
Yup
It's fantastic.
Especially at tge start of something like DoS where DoS never want to kick. Makes you just a bit more durable.
median tulip
I sometimes run with 2 other necros; could get both of them to channel after the rallying cry as well xD
Fun fact: The vers from First Sigil affects the amount you fleshcraft for.
Do trinkets reset on start of M+?
vernal vale
You could first sigil and swap it out too if you have lots of trinket options because you would still keep the giant fleshcraft
toxic pewter
Do trinkets reset on start of M+?
I think they do...
median tulip
๐ฒ ๐ค
vernal vale
10seconond timer to activate keystone gives lots of time to gimick
hard vessel
Anybody else feeling stupidly unkillable with 2pc and 75% or more banner uptime in keys?
median tulip
Not sure about unkillable, but certainly noticably more durable
If you're not taking any damage, then you're not pulling big enough
hard vessel
I swear it's so unkillable that I'm thinking about going kyrian again for more pump dps
blazing condor
hard vessel
Might be the difference between tyrannical 20s with 2srt and 22s bolsters Fortified with no set tho
hard vessel
Easy but giga ass to play
Not fun to run circles while dps not kicking casters which health to full health
hard vessel
It's impossible to Los fast enough tho
This is why they only want dks and Palas, they don't need to go anything as dps then
median tulip
good week for druids with sneeze and ele sham with they knockback thing
wraith hemlock
so I haven't used a single valo rpoint. I could upgade any trinket from 236 to 272. Is anything from the TW worth the effort or do I just go farm DoS/streets/PF? (got no 278 trinkets atm)
waxen cradle
One thing I am wondering is with the amount of rage we funnel into banner and the uptime we can get from banner has Necrolord pushed ahead of NFae in value for keys and raid ?
All signs point to yes
whole narwhal
raid im pretty sure necro, but ive always liked it more anyway, the barrier from the other i really liked
toxic pewter
anyone else get randomly DC just now
whole narwhal
ye it got slammed
toxic pewter
cant log back in
median tulip
One thing I am wondering is with the amount of rage we funnel into banner and th...
Necrolord is definitely more survivable than either Kyrian or Night Fae. However, it achieves that by losing the big burst damage/threat moves
median tulip
Overall I think the DPS is comparable, but Necrolord does it by having superior Rage throughput (IOW, more Revenges), while Kyrian and Night Fae can hit a big burst of damage/threat right at the start of a fight
blazing condor
put into perspective of double legos
kyrian is pumping
with em bursts
but its only bursts yeah
mighty valley
people make "small indie company" jokes about literally every company when they go through this
solid granite
still find it easier to achieve >10k overall dps in m+ with necro rather than fea/kyr
mighty valley
maybe it's not the sort of thing that size makes better ๐ค
waxen cradle
Yeah but I made it more in jest and not seriously and in regards to another pissy dude getting his rocks off by keeping people off of a game they enjoy
mighty valley
yeah it sucks
don't know enough about network security to know if it's feasible to preemptively stop
waxen cradle
sucks that there are people in the world who can only find happiness by shitting on others
toxic pewter
sucks that there are people in the world who can only find happiness by shitting...
WoW is actually the most toxic video game ever to exist
mighty valley
hmmmmmmmmmmmmm i played completely unmoderated dota allstars back in the day
toxic pewter
Now you are thinkin like a wow player
sick sentinel
what would you say the reason some of the community is like 20s are a joke, and then there are people that have wiped to +7's and think its impossbile
it seems to me like that fits alot of players i would get in with
toxic pewter
wow elitist pricks are the most elitist and most prickish of any game in existence
sick sentinel
like, if i was 10 years younger and 75 pounds ligher better shape i could pound out +20 keys all week i think
I have zero motivation to do a key over 20. Once i get that portal, i could care less.
chrome falcon
^ true though
mighty valley
wow elitist pricks are the most elitist and most prickish of any game in existen...
actually,
chrome falcon
Iโd go for 25s if there was a keystone cumblaster title or something but eh
I need my internet rewards for validation
sick sentinel
25 is a big no for me, i'd have to be 20 years younger and 100 pounds lighter than i am now
toxic pewter
dusky mica
Prot set bonus needs to just buff all rage gen for 4s and make any slam and clap do the 200% damage. As it is right now it feels like a total noob trap because most players will waste it on clap. Just been writing myself an addon to track this nonsense.
toxic pewter
that is the average wow elitist jerk
sick sentinel
how u get pictures of me
toxic pewter
I AM BACK INTO SERVER
chrome falcon
@dusky mica I think the set is fine but yeah we need a pin that says NEVER OUTBURST TC PLEASE
Thereโs a WA in the pins btw homes
dusky mica
It's weak, and the micro management is just nonsense
dusky mica
I hated it on ptr and it's still bad now I have it on live
chrome falcon
yeah I dunno thatโs just not true
civic torrent
One of the worst takes I've heard in here
chrome falcon
Go hit a 60k shield slam then come back to me
mighty valley
you don't have to like it but it's pretty popular in here
ebon geyser
lol
mighty valley
i think it's a blast, most fun prot warrior possibly ever
chrome falcon
Itโs not dumbfuck broken like BDK but itโs incredibly powerful
mighty valley
maybe most fun without being actually busted at least
dusky mica
I have been, it's fine when you have nothing else to track, but I think it should have granted a buff, so you dont waste it on clap and get robbed.
chrome falcon
You only get robbed if you play shitty though
mighty valley
i want a wrinkle to care about, i don't want a purely passive power increase
chrome falcon
Just put TC on cool-down at 6-7 stacks
ebon geyser
besides you should be hitting SS more than clap
dusky mica
It could have been less annoying and equally as good is all I'm saying
chrome falcon
Sure youโre not wrong about that
toxic pewter
how much of a difference does 4 pc make vs 2pc
chrome falcon
But calling it weak or bad is just false
ebon geyser
u have the weakaura that LITERALLY hold your hand
chrome falcon
2pc->4pc is even better than 0pc->2pc
ebon geyser
calling the tier weak is like saying im good at warrior
urban portal
i want a wrinkle to care about, i don't want a purely passive power increase
havoc dh
the entire set is passive
thats lit
dusky mica
the implementation is weak, the single target gain is pretty strong if you're in combat enough to use it
ebon geyser
is great tier overall in ST and in AoE
mighty valley
the rage engine is insane, the entire feel of the spec from before tier to after tier is night and day
and then we just get a freebie 10% dmg and dr on top of our now huge avatar uptime
dusky mica
It's not Legion, but it's better, yes
urban portal
the tier set is definitely more of a ST gain
it doesnt scale with target count like most other ones do
cinder nova
Kabuto fresh from the wow forums huffing that lowest common denominator opinion
dusky mica
no mate, fresh from writing an addon to track it
urban portal
cant say our tier is good when brew gets 10K hp per cast of keg
why the hell are you writing an addon
steal a WA off of wago
use hekili
cinder nova
Literally
urban portal
there are plenty of ways to do it
dusky mica
I write addons, it's something I do
uncut notch
what would you say the reason some of the community is like 20s are a joke, and ...
Its one of those things where like, youre slowly climbing the hill a little every day vs looking back when at the summit
urban portal
is a bit extrme
uncut notch
i remember struggling with 15s and thinking KSM was a huge thing
ebon geyser
cant say our tier is good when brew gets 10K hp per cast of keg
ok but we need it , we are shit without it
dusky mica
I didnt, I said it should give us a short term buff rather than a one use buff that gets wasted on clap
cinder nova
LOL
mighty valley
jesus chill out s, dude can have an opinion
ebon geyser
cant say our tier is good when brew gets 10K hp per cast of keg
also our dps is shit
cinder nova
Bro only one wasting it on TC is you, just pres SS bro
uncut notch
It is big annoying when you have no SS ready and outburst ready to go
dusky mica
that's all I was sayiung
uncut notch
just waiting for that proc
dusky mica
it's annoying and could have been engineered better
cinder nova
That's why you eye your stacks and rack an SS at 6+
cinder nova
Like not even hard this is ez
mighty valley
it is awkward that it's a false choice but there is some play nuance to trying to make sure you have an SS asap after proc
ebon geyser
Put a sound once u have 6 stack so u clap
dusky mica
Indeed Harrow
ebon geyser
Then ss
urban portal
clap the cheeks
toxic pewter
can build more stacks of red with outburst
urban portal
you dont have to spend outburst immediatel
uncut notch
Thunderclap has been useful if i can see a pack turning when an arcane mage pops the fuck off 3 seconds in to the pull
ebon geyser
clap the cheeks
urban portal
unless you somehow get another 240 rage before your ss comes off cd
uncut notch
other than that i'll just wait for the SS if i fuck it up and get stuck
urban portal
which is a real modern tragedy
cinder nova
You should. If you hit a good flow you can have an SS ready Freddy for Outburst. I've actively been holding it and throwing rage at 6+ stacks so I can keep the rage moving
uncut notch
the big one that makes me want to neck myself is my ADHD ass seeing avatar up and wanting to click it immediately and killing my earned stacks
dusky mica
How does BrM's work? They just do more keg damage and gain hp based on current stagger?
ebon geyser
U also get hp
uncut notch
Also idk if this has been said but is this the greatest push week of all time because this feels like the greatest push week of all time
dusky mica
I watched a few Trell fail keys last week and he had some nutty HP at times
ebon geyser
Because I'm def was at 110k last nite
uncut notch
Not sure if its pure goated or if forti bolster quake is so shit that this feels borderline erotic
ebon geyser
Idk I don't watch trell
cinder nova
That doesn't sound unnatural, what's your ilvl
ebon geyser
I watch others
ebon geyser
That doesn't sound unnatural, what's your ilvl
Mine 260
cinder nova
Ehhh? I guess that's a lot? I'm 265 iirc with like 105k as war
scenic mural
cinder nova
I'm not familiar with brew hp
ebon geyser
scenic mural
Brewmaster HP is low
ebon geyser
Our hp is abysmal low and our dmg is shit
scenic mural
Our hp isnt low
cinder nova
Must be, feels like 100k is pretty standard?
ebon geyser
We have the lowest or second lowest hp
dusky mica
keg smash is aoe which makes the heal pretty big in m+
scenic mural
Brewmaster HP is lowest, i mean im at 110k without codex equipped i wouldnt say its low
dusky mica
yeah the 2p is not exciting
ebon geyser
Brewmaster HP is lowest, i mean im at 110k without codex equipped i wouldnt say ...
What's your ilvl
scenic mural
268
scenic mural
??
cinder nova
But yeah, warrior tier is fine tbh. Kyr can still cleave like mad, NL is an ST hero that's freakishly durable
dusky mica
I've used the old Gladiator Stance sound in my addon for Outburst procs it's pretty fun
cinder nova
Just takes a few brain cells and friction to use
dusky mica
Back when we pumped ๐ฆ
cinder nova
More than the rest of the xpack
urban portal
anyways
scenic mural
I loved glad stance
urban portal
the fact that each keg gives you insane amounts of max hp is so absurd in aoe
scenic mural
Blizz are straight chumps for just removing it
urban portal
prot warrior is the only one where we dont scale in aoe
dusky mica
apart from the RSI from pressing Heroic Strike it was good
ebon geyser
I'm at 80k HP at 260 on Monk so
cinder nova
I think whoever designed it thought we'd press TC more
Maybe if it was 350 or 400% for TC
Might not be ass
ebon geyser
the fact that each keg gives you insane amounts of max hp is so absurd in aoe
again we need it. we feel now like a tank
cinder nova
That would need to be a very big buff
urban portal
ok but you press a single keg on 3 targets
ebon geyser
and yes we have stagger and CB but now we can be degenerates like the rest
urban portal
and now you have the same hp as prot warrior
cinder nova
The reason we still press SS is the rage
urban portal
and just goes up from there
scenic mural
Sounds too high
I see the issue. I was talking about my warrior, saying our HP isnt low. But yes monk HP is low
ebon geyser
I see the issue. I was talking about my warrior, saying our HP isnt low. But yes...
all good lol
i was about to be like how lol
ebon geyser
and when u combine banner with warrior tier set u are a gladiator spec warrior
dusky mica
270 ilvl is about 112K HP or something
scenic mural
Indom is pretty much base cause if youre not running it youre silly
112 sounds bout right
ocean yoke
true just throwing it out there that base before talents slightly lower
scenic mural
I saw a 270 veng DH at 136k unbuffed, but he had codex on so idk
dusky mica
if pally damage was total toilet water, would anyone still play them?
cinder nova
Yeah
ebon geyser
pally have seraphim and the spec do dmg with and without
and yes ppl will play paladin just because of lore
cinder nova
People played Prot warrior post EN didn't they? 
ebon geyser
that tank will never die
dusky mica
I mean in competitive scenarios
cinder nova
Oh, no idea, maybe. They're a good prog tank with cheat deaths and utility
dusky mica
these days it almost always just comes down to damage
ebon geyser
i mean if all tanks where 100% balance and equal on EVERY aspect ppl would play them competively
ocean yoke
tbh it would probably come down more to how the other tanks are compared to them
ebon geyser
i think the only one that actually play paladin competitive is sloot
ocean yoke
and how some of the other dps specs are doing as well if you need buffs from tanks or not
ebon geyser
but at the end of the day ppl are gonna go with the meta what the top dogs are playing even if they are shit at the spec
ebon geyser
because " I wAnNa PlAy WhAt NaOw Is PlAyInG" ... pathetic
for example gorups now (if you dont make your own) want 4p and a tank that is meta
cinder nova
I feel like Warrior is permanently the red-headed step child unless we have a HUGE breakout patch
ocean yoke
WFd nathria during the weakest time of prot this xpac too, pre reprisal
cinder nova
Least played tank historically despite its ups and downs
ebon geyser
if u want a tank that is gonna be reliable ALWAYS play monk
cinder nova
Even during EN when they were actually imba
ebon geyser
stagger is op in prog
mighty valley
we're still paying for the sin of being the only good tank + best dps in the game in vanilla
cinder nova
I guess. Still, it's fun feeding humble pie to pug tanks trying to ride the FOTM wave and getting BTFO
Nothing makes me smile more than shredding threat
toxic pewter
shadowlands dungeons are my least favorite dungeons
ocean yoke
oh yeah being 'off meta' adds to the fun a lot
dusky mica
When I heal, Warriors are pretty good tbh.
cinder nova
Doing almost 5k hps, 11k+ ST, taking fractions of the damage of my cotanks in H pugs
dusky mica
Perhaps because I know when to press heal from my own knowledge
Monks are pretty inefficient to heal on my shammy, it's pretty bad.
ocean yoke
our healers keep complaining theyre bored with nothing to heal when we keys etc its a massive ego boost
uncut notch
Least played tank historically despite its ups and downs
Itโs low in class fantasy tho innit, itโs deffo the โhumanโ of wow.
uncut notch
No, I donโt, thatโs why I play pwar
dusky mica
Funny, DOOM is one of my favourite games.
uncut notch
Iโm literally the only prot main on my server so I have no meme buddies ;_;
ebon geyser
what server is that LOL
uncut notch
what server is that LOL
A very dead one
ebon geyser
lool
uncut notch
Over 700 points between me and next pwar on the Rio list
dusky mica
I wish they'd added some RNG enemy placements in Doom 2016. The non changing layout kinda fucked it for replays.
uncut notch
I wish they'd added some RNG enemy placements in Doom 2016. The non changing lay...
The issue I had was that it was just the same
Everything was the same
You cleared one room youโd done them all
The core gameplay loop was giga fun and it hard carried a mediocre game
dusky mica
Mostly, yeah. It could have been more intelligent with the baddies
I havent played Eternal, is that any better?
uncut notch
I havent played Eternal, is that any better?
Yes, lots
If you can get it for sub ยฃ10 itโs a great deal Iโd say
dusky mica
I have it on Steam, just not got round to playing it.
cinder nova
uncut notch
Take some time this weekend, it fixes a lot of the problems of 2016
dusky mica
The platforming complaints put me off when it came out
uncut notch
Yeah and they added these enemies I canโt remember the name of that are like 200x harder than anything else
They start as a boss and then just become like, core trash
But every time you face one it just kills the pacing dead
cinder nova
Imagine being so frail, weak, and impotent that you cede yourself to external power instead of grasping the raw strength deep within.
Other tanks BTFO
dusky mica
Is it the melee type guys? They have a lazer axe or some shit?
uncut notch
Yeah I wanna call em vanguards or something
dusky mica
I saw a few streams of people going toe to toe with some zooming melee guy
uncut notch
dusky mica
yeah
cinder nova
Yes, they're demons made from fallen knights
uncut notch
Just killed the flow of every level
cinder nova
Idk marauders weren't too bad for me tbh and I was playing my first run cranked all the way to 11
Just gun
If that don't work
Use more gun
dusky mica
Need a doomguy transmo set in WoW. The true crossover.
uncut notch
It wasnโt that I couldnโt kill then or anything I just found it like
uncut notch
Youโd melt face and then just get this silly mob that had 300x the health and suddenly really finicky mechanics
dusky mica
Pally can have a pink version, I'm not mean.
uncut notch
Just felt really out of place
From memory they literally couldnโt be killed outside of a little opening
cinder nova
Pally is for weak men that need to pray to crystals and ideals instead of being a force of those ideas unto themselves
uncut notch
When they went to swing, or something idk it was a long time ago
sinful plover
Is that from legion time walking? If at a decent enough ILvL then thatโs a good trink no?
lucid pasture
i literally have no idea
civic torrent
this worth anything?
It's literally a slightly worse IP on a 1 minute cooldown
sacred timber
What's the key
4pc +17 SD
cinder nova
Pump harder this is an easy week. Are you running bonegrinder?
sacred timber
Pump harder this is an easy week. Are you running bonegrinder?
???
cinder nova
Merciless Bonegrinder.
sacred timber
we... dont have bladestorm????
cinder nova
Ravager procs it
sacred timber
I've never seen anyone run or suggest bonegrinder
cinder nova
Don't need it to be doing more DPS, though. 8.7k is far from terrible, but you can do way more with 4p
I closed an SOA with almost 11K and that's a terrible dungeon for cleave
cinder nova
Lol what the Tom Selleck fuck happened
sacred timber
people stood in stuff.
We had two called wipes on bosses when I was alive
those were 2 of my 3 deaths
cinder nova
What is there to even stand in besides sentinel aoe, thrust and traps
west prairie
is bonesmith the move for necro
cinder nova
cinder nova
is bonesmith the move for necro
Marileth and Kevin are ๐ but it's mostly preference
Get a cleaner key and repost meters, this feels tainted
But you should be able to get 10K+ ez with 4p assuming you're not wiping to stupid bullshit semi regularly
At least for anything that isn't actually hazardous like 20 - 23 or higher
grave crane
You said bone grinder but do people use whirlwind? On prot?
grave crane
4pc is dope I healed almost as much as a resto shaman overall
median tulip
You said bone grinder but do people use whirlwind? On prot?
Not usually, no, because Revenge does more damage for less rage and has a chance to proc a Shield Slam reset
cinder nova
Not usually, no, because Revenge does more damage for less rage and has a chance...
Does way more while it's active
21K WW
Not even hard
median tulip
Even with the bonegrinder buff, it's about 33% more damage, at the cost of 33% more rage and still doesn't proc Shield Slam resets
grave crane
I just wanted to make sure cause I donโt WW or use bone grinder on prot
Is that one cast was 21k?
cinder nova
I use both in keys and I'm always 1 or 2 on the overall in sub 20s
Only touch WW with BG up though
Waste of rage in any other moment
Yeah 3 hits at 7k a piece
grave crane
Well damn maybe Iโll check that out with all the extra rage I got
cinder nova
It's not a bad as Zet makes it, here
civic torrent
Sounds like MBG would slap in easier keys
median tulip
I like my shield slam resets. But you do you ๐
oblique garnet
Reprisal?
cinder nova
Yeah
median tulip
I'm honestly surprised MBG works for our Ravager when Signet doesn't
limpid pawn
you all going necro anger management?
oblique garnet
Yeah thats pretty good then
cinder nova
Seismic feels meh I like the rage
median tulip
you all going necro anger management?
I wouldn't say everyone is, but it's certainly a strong spec
civic torrent
tbf you can make an easy argument that with Banner + Shield Slam rage intake MBG gets you closer to Avatar and thus outburst
you can take lots of different paths to hit the Outburst
cinder nova
I haven't hit my stride with it tbh but maybe I need more time
I'm probably too used to Rep
oblique garnet
If you play seismic you have to do alot of degen things to keep up banner
cinder nova
I bet
oblique garnet
So it needs bit of practice
torpid junco
Does necrolord do more damage than Kyrian?
oblique garnet
Yes
civic torrent
(in ST)
oblique garnet
And in m+
cinder nova
It's less snap aggro than kyr
cinder nova
But with MD and TotT is irrelevant
oblique garnet
Necro has no downtime in the damage
civic torrent
I reckon at 15-18 keys with decent dps Kyrian will do more
median tulip
Does necrolord do more damage than Kyrian?
It's complicated. Kyrian (and Night Fae) burst harder, faster. But Necro, if played optimally, has superior Rage generation and therefore does more damage over the course of a fight with lots more Revenge uses.
oblique garnet
Did 15k as necro prot
cinder nova
Fort weeks it really shows for NL
oblique garnet
Most i did with others have been around 12-14k
cinder nova
Just push buttons : )
limpid pawn
wow, late what key level are you doing?
median tulip
There are far far too many factors to take into consideration before you know which one is "best" at DPS
oblique garnet
In 15-18 keys
median tulip
I will say that Necrolord is harder to play, with a great deal more failure modes than K or NF
cinder nova
Sub 20 keys are just meter monkey playground
civic torrent
yeah im interested in what ur dps is doing in a 15 to let you get 15k dps
limpid pawn
im pulling huge and fast and still im getting like under 10k dps
oblique garnet
It was with seismic
limpid pawn
so if late is getting 15k he's inherently doing something different
limpid pawn
wait, seismic instead of repriasl?
limpid pawn
and as necor?
vernal vale
Feel like I need to do some serious adjusting to figure out 2p now that I have it.
oblique garnet
If you would do keys like MDI seismic would be extremely cracked
mighty valley
Feel like I need to do some serious adjusting to figure out 2p now that I have i...
Press IP a lot
vernal vale
Yup, and not waste outburst on TC
mighty valley
Whatever your previous "uh oh, I'm at high rage" threshold was, lower it a lot
vernal vale
Was hitting it on that Anduin we just did and wasted like 5 outbursts
So mad at myself
Gonna Adjust my keybinds so ignore pain is easier to hit now.
mighty valley
I don't like to cover my screen in weakauras but I think one for stacks is v helpful
oh yeah my IP is on A
vernal vale
I have a debuff filter that shows my stacks and outburst
gotta get used to paying attention to it
My ignore pain is currently shift 1
and its a nightmare to hit right now
vernal vale
I have a fancy mouse and all that but modifier on it is definitely not a good choice now
Will change it around after raid don't want to fuck up my typical button pushes i'm in the habit of at the moment.
Then spend some time on a dummy to retrain myself
torpid junco
Do we need anything from legion TW?
urban portal
no
mighty valley
there's a good damage trinket but don't hurt yourself hunting for a single drop
urban portal
you hit ignore pain all the time
torpid junco
Seems unnecessary.
urban portal
you use it to dump rage
limpid pawn
lol
urban portal
to proc am
limpid pawn
ignore pain is fundamental part of the current prot war meta
torpid junco
Why IP over revenge unless you know a big attack is incoming
mighty valley
you can't possibly spend all your rage on revenge
urban portal
you can be gcd locked and have max rage
mighty valley
also ignore pain gets suddenly pretty good when you're just getting a bunch of casts for free from all this excess rage
urban portal
i wish there was an ignore pain overcap tracker
torpid junco
How often we using thunderclap
urban portal
as little as possible
mighty valley
on cooldown during the low rage income phases
can skip it when you're absolutely flooded with rage
cinder nova
I'm swearing by racking an SS at 6+ stacks just to keep the flow for Outburst. Helps shear away those dead spots where you have only TC
No idea if that smoothness translates to DPS
ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
austere forum
UGH.. I hate when I have outburst and SS is on CD... I press TS like.. EVERY TIME out of habit.. grr
ocean yoke
is there an advisable 262 crafted piece i should get?
just go with whatever is your lowest ilvl piece tbh
honest parcel
Hey, just a qq, in Lihuvim hero, when are you supposed to taunt during the combo? If I taunt when he finish the cast the other tank gets hit twice, and taunting earlier makes me take the 2 hits. And also sometimes the cast bar didn't even appear :c
ocean yoke
you can just taunt during the cast
he finishes the cast on the first tank then swaps to you
brave stirrup
Nice man
latent pier
I read "happy to scrub myself" and had to double take
vernal vale
I read "happy to scrub myself" and had to double take
I'm so tired I had to double check
what I wrote.
That's skme chain pulls @chilly brook
vernal vale
Like your details nickname by the way.
vernal vale
That counts
chilly brook
Like your details nickname by the way.
vernal vale
I went from one piece of tier to 4set tonight.
Looking forward to trying to keep banner up as much as I can in dungeons now. 30% was about what I got with only double legendary.
chilly brook
I went from one piece of tier to 4set tonight.
ayyy let's go
chilly brook
Looking forward to trying to keep banner up as much as I can in dungeons now. 30...
pull big, pull lots
enhance shaman is your friend
vernal vale
I have one in my guild. I'm gonna convince him to run more keys with me.
Getting my wasted rage down.
Banner fell of both times we stacked up. :'(
Also I'm noticing a pattern with my avatar rage waste. Seems like I'm always 25-40 avatar rage wasted. Seems like I need to better empty my pool before I hit that button.
distant crystal
barrier?
urban portal
Stand in it
distant crystal
Basically if the other tank didn't reset you before they went down
and you need heals desparately
and yeah it's not a bout the dmg it's about the mortal strike
urban bramble
hey, first of maybe i just didnt find it so id also be happy if i get tips one where to find it.
I wanna start prot again, it would be first time this season. And i wonder about what soulbind i should use on necro. I see everyone uses marileth, somehow though im more dragged towards emeni for the magic shield.
does someone have short explanation for wha we take one and not the other
including heirmir too if possible
ionic fern
TL;DR
Marileht / Heirmir = bigger damage while also providing a more or less OK conduit placement.
Before you go off saying "But i'm a tank so i don't care about damage..should i go Emeni?" - Sure, if you want to..chances are it won't make or brake anything in the content you are planning on doing. Just remember that your survivability is like 95% proper gameplay and encounter knowledge.
uncut notch
Before you go off saying "But i'm a tank so i don't care about damage..should i ...
This is a big big big thing I think people sleep on, people fetishise higher ilvl gear but itโs such a small part of your play.
Esp DPS classes
blazing condor
i feel like the reverse is also true for a lot of people
see people running 20+ ilvl lower gear cus it has "right stats"
hollow dove
Out of curiosity, how do ya'll deal with the tank buster orb on Rygelon? I was full HP and had shield wall up and still nearly got 1 shot with 120k hp
west walrus
Do you have any log ?
I only use IP + SW + SR
I mean, in heroic. In MM I'll call an external
median tulip
see people running 20+ ilvl lower gear cus it has "right stats"
symptoms of the same thing; people believing gear is more important than player actions
blazing condor
yup
hard vessel
Biggest shield is most important thing
median tulip
still won't save you from poor play, though
civic torrent
just make sure you're not actively tanking rygelon to play it a bit safe
on H Rygelon you can get away with SW only
oblique garnet
Its physical damage so warrior really shouldnt have too many issues soaking it
celest nacelle
Morning all! I recently wanted to play a tank alt and decided on prot warrior (clearly i hate myself), and I am struggling a bit in keys. Mostly around holding threat on packs, overall damage done and healing done. I appreciate damage and healing are a bit lower on a prot warrior than other tanks but i'm super low. My most recent for example was 5.1k damage and 2.8k healing in a 20 ToP. For context, I dont have any set bonuses yet and i'm 262 overall ilvl.
Should I be using revenge more when I first charge into a pack? I normally charge, TC, Revenge, Demo shout, Shield block/IP then just tab around the mobs using SS, TC and free revenge procs, prioritizing most of my rage spending on mitigation. Am I being too cautious with rage spending? Just wondering how others manage to hold aggro against our friendly fury warriors/frost DKs etc
Sorry for the wall of text!
strong forum
You defo need to spend more rage on revenge
The goal is to generate as much rage as you can
Revenge has a 30% chance to reset shield slam, which means more rage gen
Doing 5k dps is INCREDIBLY low
Like, literally half of what you should be doing
And the 2.8k hps also suggests that you're not pressing enough buttons at all, that's also quite low
And generally pwar dmg doesn't do less dps than other tanks if you play well, idk who told you that
celest nacelle
Yeah I appreciate that this is me being super bad, just want to figure out how to improve
strong forum
If you have logs we could give you some real quick pointers
Just to give you an idea, with 255 ilvl and 2pc I did like 9k dps in top
ionic fern
Its physical damage so warrior really shouldnt have too many issues soaking it
Not blockable tho. ๐ฆ
celest nacelle
Just to give you an idea, with 255 ilvl and 2pc I did like 9k dps in top
Yeah I am doing loads of things fundamentally very wrong
The run was super scuffed, I have done very little tanking
strong forum
Always prio SS over everything
Use IP primarily to prevent overcapping rage
Rest pump into revenge
TC, avatar, Demo on CD
blazing condor
ITF/HR 
oblique garnet
Not blockable tho. ๐ฆ
Yeah but we still have most armor out of every tank iirc? Which just passively reduces the damage of it
Not to mention we have cds for every soak
strong forum
Your SS, TC and revenge cpm is too low
Your intervene casts wayyy too low
Both your trinkets are bad
You overcapped almost 20% rage
!!!!!
celest nacelle
Both your trinkets are bad
Yeah I know this one, the trinkets are definitely not the reason for me playing terribly though ๐
strong forum
You literally overcapped way too much rage
I've never seen that much overcapping
That's almost 20% wasted
blazing condor
which also ties in to press your buttons
if you press Revenge / IP more you will dump more rage and not overcap
celest nacelle
Yeah that makes a lot of sense
strong forum
Even 5% is already alot of overcapping
jagged pier
celest nacelle
Ok cool, that actually gives me tons to work on. Thanks! It's a huge playstyle change so trying to get used to it is a struggle
blazing condor
its good that you ask for advice and want to improve 
you got 95% of the playerbase beat already with that attitude
civic torrent
Nom, Jakey, Mwahi - really enjoyed your podcast linked in the pins, appreciated your insight
strong forum
๐
strong forum
Ok cool, that actually gives me tons to work on. Thanks! It's a huge playstyle c...
If you want to compare, this was from a low key of mine where I also played kyrian and had 0 tier this patch
blazing condor
hamstring :susge:
celest nacelle
Comparing the wasted rage between our 2 logs is really gross ๐
strong forum
Mine is still a bit yike tbh
ruby stirrup
@strong forum how many times you dealt with jackey
strong forum
Was like the 2nd day after I came back from 6month break
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> how many times you dealt with jackey
Wdym
ruby stirrup
@strong forum do you know jackey
strong forum
Deez nuts
celest nacelle
Think i'm gonna spam a ton of low keys and just get used to pressing buttons
ruby stirrup
@celest nacelle low keys for children start with +15
dawn canyon
celest nacelle
Someone mentioned ITF and HR. Are these bad talent choices?
dawn canyon
for m+ itf is bad
strong forum
Ravager is better in m+
HR is like the easy mode talent for block uptime without teaching you proper reprisal usage and importance of block management
I recommend learning to play prot with AM
So you learn to use reprisal more, and maximise rage gain aswell
oblique garnet
@jagged pier @strong forum @ionic fern woah you did a podcast?
celest nacelle
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. Thanks again, your input is hugely appreciated!