yyeah im queing for the shoulder lfr now
#protection
dusky canopy
cinder nova
I've saved a lot of M+ gear and inflated it to 272 for CC fodder explicitly
cinder nova
Boom when the green rectangle turns see through
toxic pewter
Any good items from legion time walking for prot?
cinder nova
Whetstone from Court
dusky canopy
faulty countermeasure is good ST
cinder nova
Ehhh... bloodmallet
dusky canopy
yeah i havent tried it myself i know bloodmallet can be kinda meh
the dk guys were ranting and raving about it the other day when i was lurking over there
cinder nova
DK has a pretty different idea of what makes good trinkets tbh. Try simming it
oblique garnet
Faulty is good
shell shale
Hit good on my buddies prot war when tanking desausage
cinder nova
That's words
dusky canopy
cinder nova
How does it fare vs sack/phial/sigil for parsing though
shell shale
More data required
shell shale
His simmed higher by 200 DPS on his. I'm also stuck on phone away from home.
ocean yoke
im not sure what that sentence meant but fuck yeah get it dude i think
oblique garnet
If you want parse trinkets sigil probably best
dusky canopy
no way really
ocean yoke
sigil does feel a bit lame only having one cast if your raid is quick
may still be top but eh
ive been using it still but i also have been unlucky with dps trinkets
oblique garnet
Idk how the apl is if it holds sigil till execute or nah
neat harbor
im not sure what that sentence meant but fuck yeah get it dude i think
haha
dusky canopy
channeling flesh craft mid fight feels awful
ocean yoke
channeling flesh craft mid fight feels awful
it definitely can. ive been using it as just another minor cd pretty much. nice for some stuff like you dont get rygelon stack if you shield the damage
cinder nova
Nothing like doing 47k Executes 
urban portal
Idk how the apl is if it holds sigil till execute or nah
i think thats hard
since you wouldnt know how long until execute comes
guess you do in a sim
but thats kinda cheating
oblique garnet
Why wouldnt you know when execute is coming upπ€
Oh you mean if you only use sigil once
urban portal
like if an execute comes in around 2-2.5 minutes
oblique garnet
Yeah idk about short fights
urban portal
or osmething like that
or yeah that too
i would make it something like this
cast if fight time remains>5
else cast if execute
so you dont lose a use
thats my logic
cinder nova
Our farm clears are almost always sub 5
ornate magnet
yesssir we did boys
no tier, no firends gang
i wanna say thank you to my mom. shout out to all the pugs that believed in me. i wanna say thank you to my pet for being there during my hard times
WE MADE IT
ocean yoke
fuck yeah get it gamer
oblique garnet
sacred timber
Enchance shaman kills the red slime on PF before it reaches platform
I still try to pull Glob to the puddle and someone rips as Im moving
group disbands
Enhance shaman: Sus tank
yea... sure.
dusky canopy
always pug with a grain of salt
sacred timber
enhance was 2900 and killed the slime before platform
dusky canopy
9/10 the tank gets blamed when its usually another persons issue
sacred timber
like how do you have that io and dont know not to kill that slime before it gets to boss?
sacred timber
You dont really need it for boss tho
still, if we are dragging it up
why kill before?
especially right after the door?
oblique garnet
Well yeah thats big dumb xd
median tulip
I'm honestly not convinced that slime trick is worth the time TBH. Unless you have a DK
trim bay
median tulip
you guys rocking hemier? or marileth
Marileth. The soulbind abilities are invaluable
ocean yoke
kevin will never abandon you
vernal vale
Kevin is a warriors only friend
torpid junco
Anything we want from legion timewalk?
sacred timber
how do you see rage overcapped?
median tulip
Anything we want from legion timewalk?
Faulty Countermeasures
vernal vale
Anything we want from legion timewalk?
CoS auto attack ring sims as nearly a 2% upgrade for me. >.<
ionic fern
how do you see rage overcapped?
Resources->Rage in logs.
sacred timber
Resources->Rage in logs.
ty β€οΈ
brave stirrup
Does outburst effect SS rage gen or just damage
ionic fern
Both.
brave stirrup
So SS is generating 36 rage??
ionic fern
45
brave stirrup
I have zero tier and the feedback loop of this class is seriously amazing feeling. I canβt wait to experience that
ionic fern
Yeah, it's great with tier. π
ionic fern
ionic fern
Anything we want from legion timewalk?
Only the ring but it's nothing mandatory.
urban portal
Funny countermeasure
wraith hemlock
Is this any good? or do I erase it to oblivion?
median tulip
Yeah, I think it's going to have to be the shoulders
dry spear
jagged pier
π€
blazing condor
tawdry dirge
what slots of tier we should use ?
wonder if a non tierchest with better stats might be better
i exclude here the mythic versions since i wont kill the late bosses in mythic
strong forum
im thinking helmet?
Take helmet and turn into tier
strong forum
https://gyazo.com/fedb2b4bed61ffad1d2ab3697eb5d788?token=31de276ef511e9762a44562...
Ima get 4pc this week, bet
blazing condor
we hopium
strong forum
1pc from vault 1 from creation
blazing condor
yeah that was my first piece
tame jasper
how do i unlock the CC?
According to wowhead its active for all
craggy pilot
found it
blazing condor
time gates 
shell sand
hey, i'm new here. ^^
I just wanted to ask which trinkets are good for us. I just read that someone gave away the scale. currently i use the codex and the scale in m+
tame jasper
do i just fly there?
Or use the teleporter at ground if u didnt unlock flying in ZM
blazing condor
hey, i'm new here. ^^
I just wanted to ask which trinkets are good for us. I ...
what content you wanna do?
tame jasper
In high keys I use Fatescriper 2nd life and aegis, in progress raids i switch between scale or aegis depending on boss
shell sand
what content you wanna do?
M+ 20 keys intime xD
And mythic raid
cold zealot
all 3 items at 272 equipped alread... chest can be in mythic raidvault at 285 from this week onwards...
im inclined to pick the neck
shell sand
In high keys I use Fatescriper 2nd life and aegis, in progress raids i switch be...
Thats the trinket from the nine right?
blazing condor
M+ 20 keys intime xD
And mythic raid
for m+ scale + codex is pretty good and i'd run that if you couldnt find a way to get 252 aegis (from previous raid)
for raid you don't need defensives that much and usually you run Phial (from PF) and Sack (from taz) for the damage
but if you need the defensives in raid too for whatever reason then your defensive trinkets you already got are fine
shell sand
but if you need the defensives in raid too for whatever reason then your defensi...
In raid i use the scale and the sylvanas trinket for haste
strong forum
Aegis, phial, Sack, ows, scale
Codex will be good in ultra keys
Like 26+++
All of the new raid trinkets are shit
tame jasper
Thats the trinket from the nine right?
Aegis is from the nine (from SoD), yes
strong forum
Codex is also extremely good against rygelon and the jailer
Cuz your dtps is absolutely massive on those bosses
cold zealot
all 3 items at 272 equipped alread... chest can be in mythic raidvault at 285 fr...
any advice pls?`:)
tardy sequoia
Ok so, the shield is a direct upgrade, cause I still've got a 252
but the gauntlets are a higher ilvl upgrade, what should I do?
amber herald
woop almost bis
strong forum
all 3 items at 272 equipped alread... chest can be in mythic raidvault at 285 fr...
Neck you'll keep for the rest of the patch
cold zealot
Neck you'll keep for the rest of the patch
Thank you π
strong forum
Ok so, the shield is a direct upgrade, cause I still've got a 252
Shield you can upgrade up to 272 with just valor
Gloves you can't get on 275+ other than vault or mythic raid
tardy sequoia
so I should take shield and upgrade it with valor?
tardy sequoia
ahhhh i got it π
ok thx
also should i swap my BiS rings for a ring with higher ilvl?
blazing condor
with only a 10 ilvl difference i wouldnt throw away stitchflesh
jagged pier
Take the gloves and get a shield from m+
getting a shield is far easier said than done
blazing condor
stitch + death god
tardy sequoia
that's a lotta haste
blazing condor
yes 
tardy sequoia
getting a shield is far easier said than done
so you would've taken shield?
jagged pier
no
but im just saying its easy to say get a shield from m+
when if u dont have a funnel group it really is just RNG
blazing condor
i mean not like the DGs you need to farm for a shield are that bad
its like mists + nw
or top
shits fast
blazing condor
f
tardy sequoia
but the best one is mordretha's, right?
blazing condor
ye
playing with 2p actually is fun pog
sucks tho when you got SS cd rolling and outburst up and you cant press tc
median tulip
That's when you go Revenge fishing for a reset
tardy sequoia
Can someone explain me why SS is always the priority in M+ as well, even though itβs AoE heavy?
jagged pier
more rage
and more damage
as its SS damage + x2 revenges
which is more damage than 1 empowered TC
blazing condor
besides "just spend rage" is there any tips to perma-banner like using LS for rage gen or not using something etc? i can just about keep banner up but that shit is not that efficient rn
ionic fern
++
blazing condor
yeah i did that too and found it p nice
jagged pier
but that usually means this is a my pull to not over capp
LS -> charge -> Banner -> IP -IP -demo - IP -IP - avatar -> SS - IP - ip - SS
something like that
on ST anyway
blazing condor
thank u
tardy sequoia
And in AoE?
blazing condor
how much rage is it for glory?
jagged pier
u wont spend rage as fast
blazing condor
guess i'll have to start playing a bit
median tulip
besides "just spend rage" is there any tips to perma-banner like using LS for ra...
Use Reprisal as much as possible; it's a free fish for a SS reset, 20 rage, shield block and IP every use
median tulip
banner uptime would stay the same if you only revenged every gcd right
No, because Shield Block and IP allow you to spend rage off the GCD
blazing condor
delicate iron
Which enchant do you guys use on your wep, sinful or celestial?
lyric glen
Is there anyone who done a spreadsheet, on what pieces legendaries gives you the best stats, the base stats outcome. is it only headpiece that is the best stat outcome? Whats the piece after (got a headpiece that I made a tier helm so now I cant use my legendary helm that I use for keys in headslot, and it gives heck ofalot of dps in that slot) This one is by FAR great for a warrior tank in m+ that dps it gives is sick:)
But where should I put it after when I now got a tier 278 headpiece....
lyric glen
yeah I use this helm in all m+.. people look strange on me , until they see my dps numbers as tank:) stuff melts awesome stuff π
well I have had so nice rng drops for tier pieces.. (not) I guess I will have to craft my own ones since it never seem to drop, I have a normal hand and normal leg piece atm and that tier 278 headpiece now.
But is there any spreadsheet that could give stat base from other slots?.
hard vessel
Aren't gloves really good too? Tier gloves have no haste on it I think
lyric glen
crit /mastery
hard vessel
Ye that's why maybe craft unity on gloves instead of helmet? :)
lyric glen
well I have unity on waist atm
it was not the unity I wanted to have it was the other lego.. scroll up
hard vessel
Ah I see just thought why would use this legendary if you can use reprical... OK more dmg
blazing condor
seismic is uber fun if you only do weeklies
west walrus
I may be wrong but you should be able to craft 285 ilvl tier set gloves from Rygelon's gloves
blazing condor
shoulders and boots give the same amount of stats
lyric glen
the cataclyst can craft most gear into raiding gear, you can change stats on waist, wrists and cloak too. but it gives you the raid stats on them. hmm but is thos ehands tier as 285? then I will see later on if thats possible:) (if I ever see a hand piece)
blazing condor
if you wanna craft seismic anywhere else
lyric glen
shoulders and boost are much lower stat wise isnt it? about 20 stats lower hmm question is how much it would change in outcome
blazing condor
well eventually, granted you got all tier pieces, you wanna put unity on helm for max stat budget
then seismic is gonna have to be on either feet or shoulders
and there just pick what is most appropriate for you
lyric glen
yeah I know.. everything should be on helm.. π
hollow dove
if I have all 5 set pieces would it be better to turn chest or legs into a legendary?
craggy pilot
do the timeworn keystones count for vault?
dusty ice
do the timeworn keystones count for vault?
They do
Any good loot worth farming out of legion tw ? For tanking
west walrus
Guess who got gloves from the vault for the third time 
blazing condor
not me i only got them for the first time π
craggy pilot
guys, 226 Aegis vs 259 Scale? π€
strong forum
That's cutting it close
ionic fern
Okay, this is super secret so don't tell anyone:
1)Think of the scenarios where you are using the trinkets..AoE or ST
2)Check the numbers on the trinkets
3)Bigger number vs the target count > smaller number vs the target count.
ionic fern
i have 272 sac 272 phial
You can sim but more than likely sac.
craggy pilot
Okay, this is super secret so don't tell anyone:
1)Think of the scenarios where ...
bigger number you mean the shield absorb?
ionic fern
Yes.
celest nacelle
Morning chaps. Should I replace my horrible 236 weapon with this, or replace my 249 shoulders with the mythic tier and then catalyst something to give me 2 piece?
celest nacelle
Aye π¦
strong forum
For personal enjoyment I'd say go for 2pc right away.
The longerterm option would be pick weapon since you can craft tier now and will have 4pc in max 4 weeks anyway
west walrus
I would say, pick the weapon and craft tier. Wait for another opinion ^^
strong forum
Or hold off on doing either, do the normal/hc raid, some lfr bosses and see with how many, if any, pieces you end up with
west walrus
π
celest nacelle
Yeah that's not a bad idea actually, thanks!
civic torrent
Fuck me, so banner falls off after 15s regardless of how long you keep it up for (on your allies)
or are logs lying to me
civic torrent
F
blazing condor
Your allies banner will always only be for the original duration
civic torrent
damn
blazing condor
I mean it would be omega busted otherwise
civic torrent
Imagine
blazing condor
Not talking about the dps and mastery gain you would be able to cheese stuff as well
Xav in TOP would be a straight up spank
jagged pier
the tooltip literally says your banner
jagged pier
i still dont get why ppl ask the question glorys been out for over a year now
and the info has been out for that long
blazing condor
People probably see it as βone banner in place that gives effectβ
jagged pier
faulty counter measure
civic torrent
i see the joke went over your head
civic torrent
ok
shell sand
faulty counter measure
Is it really that good? :o
And did we have a haste cap?
Or should we have as much as possible?
lofty widget
And did we have a haste cap?
Or should we have as much as possible?
40 %
jagged pier
Is it really that good? :o
yes
jagged pier
And did we have a haste cap?
Or should we have as much as possible?
as much as possible without loosing strength
jagged pier
without any buffs
shell sand
without any buffs
Kk, ty ^^
ebon geyser
sick sentinel
Hello everyone! Is there a weakaura that warns you when unblockable damage by shield block is coming? I really dont know when to pop ignore pain so i spam it and waste rage..
strong forum
You use ignore pain primarily to not waste (cap) rage
When you're playing optimally you should very often reach rage cap and thus need to press ignore pain to not overcap on rage
And no, there's no such weak aura
My general tip is "if it's a swing with a weapon or a shot with a bow/gun - it's blockable"
That already takes care of 90%+ of all attacks
Same with the name of an ability, if its anything like a hit, smash, slash w/e its probably blockable
blazing condor
ok holy shit
this is fun asf
and playing in m+ perma banner is fast fun and kinda easy
hard vessel
You use ignore pain primarily to *not* waste (cap) rage
And probably press IP in any dangerous big pull to live
jagged pier
not really
blazing condor
pressing IP won't really be the difference between living or dying
youre stalling out like 1 auto
but obviously its nice to have IP up if it doesnt compromise something else
strong forum
You'd rather press revenge even in big pulls
hard vessel
Wait these 10-12k HPs absorbs doesn't matter for living?
strong forum
1 IP cast is like 10k
Bit more if you have ilvl + banner up
You can't press IP often enough for it to matter
hard vessel
But if you never press IP in a dangerous pull
strong forum
Nobody said anything about never
strong forum
If you play optimally, you will naturally have high uptime on IP
I have ~75%+ IP uptime with 2pc, solely to prevent overcapping
hard vessel
OK i do 21 and 22 with no tier and I get like 200+ IP presses in a dungeon with 50% uptime
strong forum
Cuz necro
blazing condor
IP pre s3: π
IP s3: π
hard vessel
Ye necro alone is giga smashing buttons to keep banner
strong forum
In a 22min key I already had 19k rage gen
With only 2pc
And not playing perfectly
With 4pc I can defo get over the 1k rage per min
hard vessel
But IP really helps living
There is no way it doesn't
OK I mean dropping less, not saving your 1% hp ass but it's helping you to not drop
sick sentinel
tanks all 
strong forum
IP isn't terrible, but gotta find a healthy balance between using revenge and IP
Cuz just IP'ing isn't gonna make you tanky, it actually does the opposite
Since revenge means more SS resets which means more rage and so on
twilit dawn
Hello ! I just got my 4pc and I don't see the damage reduction in the Avatar tooltip box, is it normal ?
strong forum
Idk if the tooltip of the spell itself should update
Cast avatar and check the tooltip on your buffs
twilit dawn
Only dmg
sweet summit
:hmmge:
twilit dawn
Have you reloaded UI / relogged?
Yep !
strong forum
The 10% DR does appear to be working
From the minimal log checking I've done
So it's just a tooltip bug I'd say
It's 19.x% with avatar down + codex up
And 27.x% with avatar up + codex up, consistently
So that checks out
twilit dawn
I see it, that's great ! Thanks π
jagged pier
i think its just a hidden thing tbh
blazing condor
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wNfxTPmQ7qVB1h8y/#fight=last&type=summary
first key with 2p and necro. Any of yall gamers wanna give pointers? besides low blocked hits idk what CPM/wasted rage ""should"" be like. Ty
i also put like half my outburst procs into tc i think
jagged pier
only intervening once a minute
yer you for sure did
Tc damage is high
its usually below rav for me
TRACK IT
thing that helped me the most was making seething red flash at 7 stacks
so i know i have an outburst coming
blazing condor
yeah i should do that
i have outburst on flash but that doesnt really help
still playing around with the WAs n such
jagged pier
nah its too late on outburst imo
u need to know in advance so u can plan the next button presses
73% blocked hits
looks like u have a huge issue with overcapping and SS
maybe outburst procs
blazing condor
yeah
jagged pier
youll get there
jagged pier
takes a dungeon or 2
blazing condor
its fun though
jagged pier
strong forum
Ngl
I haven't really found it any more fun to play necro + tier
It's just alot more spammy idk
And feels giga bad to drop banner
jagged pier
it was good for the first few days, now im like meh whatever
and yer fucking hate loosing banner
jagged pier
84.3 my highest so far
but the question is, is it more than it was before
which i would say
yes
blazing condor
no squek pad?
wild hemlock
im a boring NF chad
jagged pier
wild hemlock
prolly gonna dabble in necro this weekend. looks amazing
just gotta farm some flux so i can make reprisal on boots and use catalyst for 2 piece
i have like 30k cosmic on main thatll just sit π¦
wild hemlock
yeah 3.5
jagged pier
1.5 cata
wild hemlock
at 1.9 right now
jagged pier
F
tropic linden
wild hemlock
f u
brave stirrup
Lol wow
wild hemlock
my vault was trash. got a 278 anima field
sweet summit
jagged pier
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
ebon geyser
Omw question that I have is we want unity headpiece but no warrior have it on head piece. They all using desausage helm
jagged pier
becaue u need all the other tier pieces at 278 or higher
and belt at 278 or higher to make helm tier piece
strong forum
my vault was trash. got a 278 anima field
Sir that's over 10% haste with 30% uptime
hard vessel
I wouldn't think that much about unity on helmet, just put it on whatever is your worst slot with worst stats and worst ilvl
And if fully geared put it on helmet then
uncut bronze
Guys, what's best trinkets for m+ in S3?
wild hemlock
Sir that's over 10% haste with 30% uptime
but but standing in my cage
ooo itll be fun with sanguiney this week too
blazing condor
during execute phase we just spam execute like normal right
with banner
and put outburst on ss
scenic coral
any good wa for the tier set buff to track?
wild hemlock
any good wa for the tier set buff to track?
i dont have tier yet but im sure "seeing red" or "outburst" on wago will help
scenic coral
Well, i was more looking if some people recommend a certain one
twilit dawn
I can share mine
lofty widget
any good wa for the tier set buff to track?
theres one in the pins
odd tree
Trying to keep intervene on cd, do people recommend a focus macro on a melee? Most pulls I can find a ranged to do the intervene/charge combo, but on crazy pulls it can be hard clicking a melee.
jagged pier
just mouse over
odd tree
Yea, use mouse over, just find it takes a bit to hit the dh I run with, haha
Fucker moves too much
Or I find myself trying to intervene someone's pet
jagged pier
u can mouse over frames
odd tree
Yea, that's what I'll do
hard vessel
Just have both a makro with name of your best melee buddy and if he's dead a mousover charge
odd tree
Hadn't considered it
odd tree
Just have both a makro with name of your best melee buddy and if he's dead a mou...
I might also do this with a spare keybind
orchid frigate
and here i am with a 9/9 vault with no tier in sight
median tulip
What does the Infernal affix do?
oblique garnet
Nothing
orchid frigate
anything worth getting from the legion dungs?
orchid frigate
ty
jagged pier
Faulty countermeasures and cos ring
ring isnt worth for us
ebon geyser
Since nobody has unity on helm
oblique garnet
ring isnt worth for us
272 with socket are you sure?
jagged pier
last it was about 2000 damage over a boss fight
with socket and max ilvl
like less than a SS
oblique garnet
Stats are nice tho
tardy sequoia
guys i've got a bit of a question, ive got the cosmic flux to craft 2 set pieces, even if they are 252
should i craft them?
tardy sequoia
i mean should i wait for higher ilvl?
chrome falcon
If you donβt have access to higher ilvl gear then yes make your tier set
Well I donβt know what content youβre doing
tardy sequoia
is it wasted cosmic flux right now?
chrome falcon
I donβt know, are you doing 15s and raiding?
strong forum
and cosmic flux isnt wasted cuz its not used for ANYTHING ELSE
chrome falcon
^
tardy sequoia
ive got a piece of gear who is 275 but is not upgradeable
strong forum
cuz 272 is max
tardy sequoia
i thought 278 was the maximum
strong forum
272 is max upgrade
tardy sequoia
so it will take the mythic appearance of the set?
strong forum
only if you upgrade a 278 to tier
strong forum
Vault
ebon geyser
I donβt know, are you doing 15s and raiding?
I know I'm not 
chrome falcon
Mythic raid or 15 from vault
tardy sequoia
i think im stupid cuz i don't understand
if the maximum upgrade is 272 and mythic raiding or 15 vault gives you a 278
why is this 275?
strong forum
You can upgrade anything lower than 272 up to 272
It's 275 cuz you didn't do a +15 key
Only a +14
Or +13
ebon geyser
I realized I have no valor oof
median tulip
why is this 275?
because your highest key for that vault slot was a 13 or 14
tardy sequoia
ahhhhh
so basically only a +15 or higher from the vault gives a 278
once a week (or mythic raiding)
median tulip
Correct
tardy sequoia
ah that's a bummer
well i think i'd craft a gauntlet with a heroic appearance
(if you think it's not a waste cuz eventually i will recraft/replace it with 278)
median tulip
Getting declined for +5 VotW because I don't have a legion mythic rating... what, you want me to actually timewalk now
vernal vale
We gaming Bois
huzzah for getting rid of your bad shield
tardy sequoia
just a quick question
basically i can craft a whole mythic set just by doing 15s and getting great vault items with creation catalyst?
strong forum
Yes
tardy sequoia
that's uber cool
ebon geyser
huzzah for getting rid of your bad shield
Is In vault for memories 
tardy sequoia
i thought only set items
ebon geyser
that's uber cool
In other words u can be a m+ degenerate and get mythic tier
chrome falcon
median tulip
Remember that the actu8al Mythic Raid gear is 285 for 4 pieces
chrome falcon
oh baby
ebon geyser
But we all know raiding is far superior that m+
tardy sequoia
that's uneggscusable
ebon geyser
https://gyazo.com/c1415c165be85066e02ba5c97d86c102
Carry me
tardy sequoia
next week I should really start doing +15s, I already lost two months cuz I started playing again last week
ebon geyser
I need to baby step my way to 15 on my monk and warrior
cinder pasture
I got my 4set
vernal vale
I need to baby step my way to 15 on my monk and warrior
What's your ilvl now?
ebon geyser
What's your ilvl now?
244
vernal vale
244
He'll I'd run a 15 with you at that ilvl.
Just gotta find a group that's not being jerks about wanting tier and stupid high rating.
chrome falcon
26 ilvl upgrade on shoulders and legs just for waking up this morning
pretty sweet
ebon geyser
He'll I'd run a 15 with you at that ilvl.
Look I'm super bad at this lol I'm still in double training wheels
vernal vale
Look I'm super bad at this lol I'm still in double training wheels
If your on NA I'll send you my battletag start getting you some good runs in.
sacred timber
@chrome falcon I got it down to 5% but I was at 62 CPM
chrome falcon
i wouldn't look at CPM as a wildly valuable metric in a vacuum
our CPM should be high but it becomes that way as a product of doing other stuff correctly
ebon geyser
If your on NA I'll send you my battletag start getting you some good runs in.
Indeed I'm na
sacred timber
SD is also rough this week
I was 9 minutes under getting to Kaal in a +19 and we wiped with 4 minutes left and the guy just leaves (we went thru 3 brez's and still only had 3 people standing in the last 5% and they died at 1.5%)
Then I ran my +18 back and we had our fury warrior die to second boss on pull all three times....
Sad also cause my lowest IO is SD
chrome falcon
anyone asking for actual legion experience to get into these timewalking keys on +15 is a fucking subhuman
honestly
insanity
jagged pier
just have played in legion
chrome falcon
just go play on a private server for a few months to train up
dawn canyon
There's no shot i dont time me 15 cos, right?
jagged pier
legion tm was a joke last time
vernal vale
anyone asking for actual legion experience to get into these timewalking keys on...
Welcome to the elite ass holes lol
I hate pugs for that reason
Unreasonable expectations
chrome falcon
i mean i'm not mad for myself, i did these keys on like 24 last time
which is why i know that asking for experience for them
is ridiculous
they're not hard
median tulip
I don't know the routes, but the tanking in them doesn't seem particularly hard
vernal vale
I don't know the routes, but the tanking in them doesn't seem particularly hard
Legion was literally press w
median tulip
I don't understand this Court of the Star minigame
median tulip
Someone had an addon for it
vernal vale
I don't understand this Court of the Star minigame
Find the right person. Talk to the bubbles to get hints. It's a horrid time sink even if it isn't hard.
jagged pier
its really not that hard y u talk to the ppl they tell what to look for
or just a DH
or a paladin with the artifact tmog'd
distant crystal
someone says "i see Jakey"
you look at Jakey, if you see a demon, kill him
if you don't see a demon, look at the guy who said i see Jakey, if you see a demon, kill him :p
the vote weakaura lets you do it without voice but it's not really needed
oh shit
jagged pier
your talking about a different thing
distant crystal
court of stars not lords of dread lol
distant crystal
i would hope not
median tulip
and because, in theory, you can get 285 on all tier pieces except head
cost of a socket barely registers either, TBH
distant crystal
feel like i'd rather a crapton of crit over a craptop of mastery
median tulip
IDK about that; With banner and solvent I already have a craptop of Mastery, and you know what? Crit blocking is great
as is the 15k Ignore Pains
urban portal
Secondary stats don't matter man
It's very minor
The fact that head can't be 285 ilvl makes it hard to recommend
And the socket is the icing on the cake
What are you suggesting to craft it on again?
I just got here
Also 40k is a lot, literally a McDonald's meal
median tulip
I mean, if you need head to make 4 set, put it elsewhere. Getting 4 set is important. But If you ask "what's best?" the answer is gonna be head
urban portal
^
Wrist is the recommendation for offspecs
If you play dps then wrist is the way
If everything is 278 but you don't have access to mythic last 3 gear
median tulip
Then still Head, because free socket
urban portal
Is what you are saying?
Then yeah head
Socket on head beats out extra stats on legs
Unless you go even further and say you are willing to take tokens from vault to put in sockets
Why wouldn't you catalyst a 278 shoulder?
I'm assuming you have alternative 278 gear ready to go then
Honestly once a week is kinda plenty, I spent my catalyst on 272 this week
median tulip
I pulled 278 shoulders out of the vault and immediately threw them into the catalyst to make my 4set
vernal vale
I'm waiting until after raid to grab my vault. I only have 1p
So depending on what drops I could potentially have 4set.
Shoulders are in vault. So that makes 2 piece no matter what.
Plus catalyst puts me at 3
chilly brook
Socket on head beats out extra stats on legs
In fairness you could just socket your helm
vernal vale
However if I take shoulders and then that's the only drop I get then I'm missing out on a 278 I could catalyst.
chilly brook
I think in the long run socketing tier helm>recrafting unity on helm
But thatβs just me
urban portal
I just pretend I got a heroic lords drop
vernal vale
Besides at this point it's not like waiting until after this weeks raid will actually hurt.
brave stirrup
it scale trinket good for prot wars?
vernal vale
it scale trinket good for prot wars?
Yes, if you don't have the trinket from The Nine in SoD
vernal vale
I did the same thing and then reread.
urban portal
It's only good on st
vernal vale
Raid trinkets are really bad. I've been watching the proc rate on protoforge that our pally has and it's so low. Plus it never happens when needed
urban portal
Dual wield doesn't affect anything
It's ppm
Normalized for all specs
Yeah
But the rate at which you get stacks is normalizrf
Normalized
median tulip
The problem with bells is that its stacks build on the target, not on the user
So any time that your are frequently hitting new targets, it's a waste of time
urban portal
Imagine the boss goes immune on a pop
Or fight is over before you hit the next pop
Huge dps loss
median tulip
When you are engaged on a single target, with no target switching, for extended periods... then it's merely mediocre
urban portal
And you really wish you had sack
median tulip
There are a large number of trinkets I would equip in preference to Bells
zealous ore
Any decent trinkets from Legion muh pluh?
urban portal
Hopefully it's not the garuanteed mount
blazing condor
nah the 2% one
vernal vale
Any decent trinkets from Legion muh pluh?
Countermeasure
zealous ore
For keys
jagged pier
yer countermeasure
wild hemlock
If your on NA I'll send you my battletag start getting you some good runs in.
ill dps on my sham. need weekly keys
urban portal
If your on NA I'll send you my battletag start getting you some good runs in.
Ditto, down to carry too
zealous ore
yer countermeasure
Why wear a st trink in keys
brave stirrup
how much do you big boys execute for when it crits?
urban portal
Why wear a st trink in keys
It's for raid parsing
zealous ore
It's for raid parsing
I know
ebon geyser
Raid parsing> surv
urban portal
how much do you big boys execute for when it crits?
Thats kind of an irrelevant question, if you are stacking our best stats which is haste, your execute would naturally hit less
But you get much more executes
brave stirrup
makes sense
jagged pier
i mean i wear sack and phial in keys
because its more damage
faulty is more damage than ither of them
so
π€·
ebon geyser
Phial I haven't seen that trinket at all and when I see it goes to someone else
zealous ore
Raid parsing> surv
I don't tank raids I just want to be alive in dungeons π
median tulip
I don't really have very good damage trinkets right now, so I usually just wear both techniques
zealous ore
Raid is the superior content
I'm a dps player, tank is omega π΄
jagged pier
u survive keys by just playing correctly
jagged pier
then your playing incorrectly
jagged pier
trinkets wont save u
zealous ore
Scale and codex
sacred timber
Wait, aegis is better than scale???
jagged pier
yes
median tulip
No gear will save you from being bad
zealous ore
trinkets wont save u
Ok so there aren't good defensive trinkets from legion or what?
sacred timber
252 aegis > 278 scale?
brave stirrup
Another nub question, I havent played the game since legion. I have zero idea what the routes are in any of these keys. Super anxious about running mythic+ with pugs who are so used to routes and pulls that seasoned tanks have been doing all expac....what can i watch to learn proper routes and pulls?
jagged pier
Ok so there aren't good defensive trinkets from legion or what?
no
jagged pier
252 aegis > 278 scale?
yes
west walrus
Aegis = infinite absorption
sacred timber
I should reclaim mine...
jagged pier
since ageis was in the game
median tulip
Another nub question, I havent played the game since legion. I have zero idea wh...
Download an addon (via Wowup.io) called Mythic Dungeon Tools
MDT allows you to see the dungeon layout, work out routes etc
sacred timber
since ageis was in the game
what is 239 better than? I thought I had a mythic one but I dont
sacred timber
LOL
median tulip
It looks like this:
solid granite
Is the block value on the shield from the first boss in Sepulcher worth anything? Had only that as an option that wasn't absolutely trash
west walrus
Another nub question, I havent played the game since legion. I have zero idea wh...
It will always be tank fault in PuG
Whatever you do
So, do as you feel :D
chrome falcon
@solid granite yes it's 7 ilvl defensively
brave stirrup
@median tulip am I able to look up popular routes on there or do i have to map my own
urban portal
jeez, what the hell happened?
And scale nerfed doesn't help
Anyways for a regular player I'd say scale is good
vernal vale
what is 239 better than? I thought I had a mythic one but I dont
It's because aegis is uncapped. Scale always has a set number.
west walrus
Scale is still good, but not any longer the only way to go
median tulip
Scale is... niche. It's selling point is when you absolutely need to survive one big single hit of magic damage. For anything else there are better trinkets
solid granite
aegis is also not effected by necrotic
TIL
urban portal
Idk about scale being niche
It's x hp every y seconds
Always
If the mobs can't pop your shield then you aren't doing hard enough content where you need scale
sacred timber
So basically I will never have a 278 trink this season ;-;
solid granite
278 sack
sacred timber
is OWS not good?
median tulip
So basically I will never have a 278 trink this season ;-;
Be careful what you wish for. You might wake up one reset to a 278 Bladedancer's Armour Kit
ocean yoke
Be careful what you wish for. You might wake up one reset to a 278 Bladedancer's...
say sike right now
median tulip
psych
sacred timber
I'll make a bet
If I get one
278 in vault next week
I'll take it
and tank a +20 with it
chrome falcon
i got two consecutive bladedancers
median tulip
In Season 2 I had a vault with a BAK and a Pulsating Stoneheart
chrome falcon
hot
chilly brook
Is the block value on the shield from the first boss in Sepulcher worth anything...
Itβs better defensively than a same ilvl shield
jagged pier
not really I would take stats tbh
u never use the on use if u want it to be better all the time
so its worthless
chilly brook
Itβs def worse offensively
But if itβs what you got
And itβs an ilvl upgrade
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
dense shell
hey folks , i have a terrible vault. the only decent choise is a helm 278 with wrong stat, but i have the BIS of dung with socket.
dense shell
i take the 278 and mog in tier set or mog the bis with socket?
chilly brook
There is no βwrongβ stat
jagged pier
the stats change to the ones on the tier piece anyway
and in the end u wont even use helm tier piece
π€·
dense shell
y but there is a free socket
jagged pier
then take the socket
dense shell
and in the end u wont even use helm tier piece
miss this information. Why ?
jagged pier
because its the most total stats
urban portal
At bis gear you would convert helm to unity
dense shell
unity on the helm and tier on other ?
median tulip
Yes, in the long run the absolute BiS is 4pc Tier on the other slots and Unity on head. However, unless you are going to be putting Mythic Tier bosses on farm, this information is barely relevant
jagged pier
no u get mythic tier from vault
chilly brook
Outside of chest/shoulders
Those will be stuck at 278
Cuz Yknow creation catalyst
jagged pier
they wont
median tulip
Pretty low chance unles you kill Lords/Ryg
jagged pier
the last few bosses drop 285 stuff
no u can get lords or ryg pieces but killing the first 2 on mythic
and youve killed them on hc or normal or lfr
chilly brook
no u can get lords or ryg pieces but killing the first 2 on mythic
What Iβm saying is that even if you donβt raid
dense shell
the last few bosses drop 285 stuff
my guild can't reach the myth content at the end of the raid π
ocean yoke
yeah i got 285 tier chest, only 2/11M
chilly brook
You can get at least the 278
median tulip
You can, but there is a much lower chance (according to the wowhead article)
chilly brook
Because creation catalyst
dense shell
so, my goal is 278 catalyst with dung drop
chilly brook
Iβm aware that you can get any tier from any boss regardless of killing them in vault
urban portal
no u can get lords or ryg pieces but killing the first 2 on mythic
I think wowhead said the probability of getting a mythic drop if you haven't cleared the boss is very low
jagged pier
HAHA LUL
fat chance
ive still not got tier in vault even tho i kill them every week
chilly brook
ive still not got tier in vault even tho i kill them every week
Saaaaammee
ocean yoke
just be lucky lol
sweet summit
chrome falcon
but now i'm permanently stuck in the countermeasure mines
vernal vale
I need to do some vaults
I ran vault of the wardens 10 times last night at low keys to make it fast. Saw 0 countermeasure drop
median tulip
I'm going to wait until later tonight. PUGs in peak hours are full of gibbering morons
median tulip
The 15s are all "we are checking your legion season scores" lol
Like I said; gibbering morons
I'll do some keys at 2am when the only people playing are the true obsessives
sacred timber
I mean, have you seen what people do for +15s in SL???
"+15 NW, need CE, Kyrian, Resto Shaman, must have over 60 timed +20s and at least 3200 io, 3150 might be considered, ilvl 278+ only, 5/4 tier set with 2 291 legos required"
ocean yoke
dont forget the 4pc
median tulip
They might as well just write "carry me UwU"
ocean yoke
perfect
strong forum
The thing I put into my lfg groups is
"+15 big pp"
sacred timber
Title: "+19"
Note: "awoo"
do it every time
median tulip
The thing I put into my lfg groups is
"+15 big pp"
The last group I joined that said similar I outdamaged the party leader
median tulip
what you do with them is up to your discretion
jagged pier
sacred timber
I have 2 non-furry toons, one of which I dont play, the other was my raid main last season
Even then....
elves
median tulip
all of my characters are Orcs
sacred timber
I spent 3 hours unlocking the furries on horde, and Im gonna use them gosh dang it
vernal vale
Doing it on low keys is smolbrain
I was doing the runs with my wife who is super casual.
hard vessel
anybody else feeling booming voice with 2 set is just too much rage?
urban portal
Never too much rage
chrome falcon
definitely don't do that
chrome falcon
well you don't even have 4set yet so you're gonna have to press more ip
lofty widget
those are rookie numbers
hard vessel
really?
crimson marsh
So do you guys have any UI stuff to make reprisal easier like, like vuhdoo with mouseover with easy to see who's in range frames
chrome falcon
if we get unlucky we can't buy these timewalking trinkets at good ilvl can we
mighty valley
So do you guys have any UI stuff to make reprisal easier like, like vuhdoo with ...
I just use a mouseover macro on regular raid frames
vernal vale
if we get unlucky we can't buy these timewalking trinkets at good ilvl can we
Nope if we miss the timewalking trinkets we have to wait another 6months to try again.
Court of Stars ring Sims really high for me as well.
sacred timber
anybody else feeling booming voice with 2 set is just too much rage?
from what I have been learning. There are two rules to prot....
- There is no such thing is too much rage
- There is no such thing as too much ignore pain
crimson marsh
then you will get hit by anything and ignore pain is no longer at cap so you can press it again
urban portal
nah prot war so op that you just perma cap on ignore pain
wraith hemlock
if you are not getting hit and ignore pain is capping you are either pulling too slow, too few or both
or you are too good for this game, I guess that could work too
crimson marsh
I would go nice I can tank keys a few levels higher no problems
urban portal
i mean
something like this week
tyrannical with no tank affix
you actaully take z dam in a 15
sacred timber
don't make me tap the sign
urban portal
if there was an ogcd button that says "do 500 damage for 80 rage"
you would press that over capping ip
wraith hemlock
execute?
urban portal
its also on gcd
sacred timber
but from what I have learned IP is off GCD
urban portal
yeah you press ip whenever you need to dump rage
sacred timber
so dump all rage into that
urban portal
but the rage is literally dumped into nothing
it disappears
but you still do it to proc AM
and tier
sage yacht
**2. There is no such thing as too much ignore pain**
banner stonks 
crimson marsh
Dump the rage into irl anger and scream
chrome falcon
IP just turns into a button that gives you a stack of outburst and reduces avatar by 3.5 seconds i'm pretty happy pressing that
crimson marsh
Irl bolstering shout
urban portal
unlucky heroic strike gone
sacred timber
IP just turns into a button that gives you a stack of outburst and reduces avata...
WHAT ABOUT SHIELD WALL
urban portal
did you macro heroic strike into something or nah
chrome falcon
you'd almost never press heroic strike without an ultimatum proc
from what i remember
median tulip
If you time a Legion+20 dungeon do you get a teleport for it?
chrome falcon
no
wraith hemlock
heroic strike was meeh
urban portal
better than pressing IP for nothing
wraith hemlock
better than pressing IP for nothing
for that matter ratter have cleave
urban portal
cleave also good
chrome falcon
time for another reclear with no dps trinkets
ebon geyser
time for another reclear with no dps trinkets <:sadga:869134702970273812>
What trinket u looking for
chrome falcon
phial, sack, countermeasure
crimson marsh
I got 278 vault scale trinket on my 2 week old tank
wraith hemlock
phial, sack, countermeasure
the one from taza?
chrome falcon
yeah
i've done 30 streets runs, one of my mates has done 40, neither of us have sack OR codex
wraith hemlock
from vault
278? I'm jelly
If i'm gonna start tanking keys for my guild is it worth it to try and run mythic SOD for the nine's trinket?
I've it as a 239 but its 1.5k more absorb PER HIT on mythic
ionic fern
It's good but you don't need it.
latent pier
You guys lag at all during the swarm on dreadlocks? Trying to figure out ways to reduce it.
wraith hemlock
not at all
latent pier
My system isn't top end but it exceeds wow's requirements pretty handily. Trying to find the issue.
wraith hemlock
but I think I've reduced setting for my pc when in raid
I run this with a Ryzen 5 5600x + a gtx 1650 (and 32 gb of ram)
wraith hemlock
I run this with a Ryzen 5 5600x + a gtx 1650 (and 32 gb of ram)
on raid that is. On open world I just run with almost everything maxed
shadows and AA are what helped me the most with any fps drops during heavy animation fights
latent pier
More curious if there's some kind of logging monitor I can use that would narrow it down.
Game runs pristine but when I burst on anduin/lords it gets real choppy.
Had a similar issue in sanctum with weakauras, but it's not them this time. I'm stumped.
wraith hemlock
π€· dunno man, I'm not an IT engineer