yea
#protection
chilly brook
chrome falcon
yes
chilly brook
better than letting the rage go to waste
chrome falcon
IP cap is literally 2 casts it's always going to be capped
lofty widget
capping IP>>>>> Capping rage
chrome falcon
literally this whole class is 2 things
- shield block uptime
- spend and generate rage
cast more shield slams so you get more rage
sacred timber
this class was supposed to prevent me from breaking my wrists on fury....
lofty widget
necro prot with 4pc is like the highest apm spec
chrome falcon
fury doesn't do shit off the GCD
also
you cast 2 LS
the whole dungeon
that's really bad
LS = rage = banner
chilly brook
chrome falcon
your banner uptime is very low
chrome falcon
because you waste so much rage
craggy pilot
prot CPM is becoming so damn high with the Tier set
im consistently the highest CPM class in our raid
every single boss
lofty widget
whats acceptable rage loss? like sub 1 %?
chrome falcon
you're going to waste rage if you pop LS during avatar+ravager
chilly brook
it's going to happen
chrome falcon
it's literally unavoidable
lofty widget
yeah
chrome falcon
but it should be low
chilly brook
but you want to try to mitigate that as much as possible
sacred timber
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Im just gonna go get carpal tunnel surgery rn
and I'll brb
errant wagon
Im just gonna go get carpal tunnel surgery rn
Prot warrior is the one class I play where my wrists are literally just burning after I'm done with a dungeon
like actually an issue 😂
chrome falcon
oh and you're already overcapping so more rage isn't necessarily what you need rn but you should be popping last stand almost on cooldown for more rage, and you intervene'd 10 times over the entire dungeon
so, yeah
generate more rage and start actually spending it
craggy pilot
anyone have something installed that makes the mouse visible when moving the camera?
chilly brook
anyone have something installed that makes the mouse visible when moving the cam...
WA
sacred timber
screams in wrist pain
chrome falcon
@dark lark yep that's low
craggy pilot
i dont want it to show GCD or anything
sacred timber
wait
errant wagon
anyone have something installed that makes the mouse visible when moving the cam...
I use this addon 🙂
chilly brook
i dont want it to show GCD or anything
not all of them do
craggy pilot
i just want it to be visible when i move camera
sacred timber
is there a pin for conduits on Necro Prot?
errant wagon
a little different but does a similar job
chrome falcon
no but i can log on and show you mine
sacred timber
no but i can log on and show you mine
plz
also Im only renown 66 if that makes a difference
chilly brook
is there a pin for conduits on Necro Prot?
Necro Conduit, AAF, Ashen Jugg, SW Conduit, IP Conduit, Last Stand conduit
Marileth
3p, 3e
errant wagon
anyone have something installed that makes the mouse visible when moving the cam...
Show during Mouse Look: When on, the cursor effect will remain visible while using the mouse to look around. (Note: When on, make sure "Fade out when idle" is off.)
is a feature of the addon
chrome falcon
condensed anima spear > IP conduit probably
chilly brook
condensed anima spear > IP conduit probably
I still haven't done any logs between the two
It's something I'm intending to do but haven't
chrome falcon
i'm willing to be wrong but i believe you can't accurately check how much brutal vitality does
you can check damage done while you have ignore pain but that doesn't count overcapping
dark lark
<@197616292679647232> yep that's low
Shit
chilly brook
i'm willing to be wrong but i believe you can't accurately check how much brutal...
It should just be reflected in the overall absorb wouldn't it be?
in logs
ocean yoke
is there a pin for conduits on Necro Prot?
is what i have
craggy pilot
ah found one that is great 🙂
chrome falcon
no
ocean yoke
oh you just did yours
chrome falcon
yeah mine is the exact same as papa dragon
you can pick between safeguard and inspiring presence
north rampart
you guys take execute conduit?
ocean yoke
big pump
chrome falcon
yeah
chilly brook
you guys take execute conduit?
it's big dam
you press execute in 3 or less targets anyways
north rampart
wellwell well
chrome falcon
you ever hit 3 consecutive 30k execute crits before?
because that's what that conduit does
sacred timber
Ight time for round 3
chilly brook
wellwell well
There's a reason I beat DPS on some bosses
ebon geyser
vault gave me pants (lfr) and i made teh Wb chest into tier
sacred timber
hopefully my wrists dont break
ebon geyser
we 2p here bois
ocean yoke
if you dont start to scare your dps approaching them quickly at 20% what are we even doing here
chrome falcon
@sacred timber your absolute priority is to never cap rage
nothing else matters
apart from block uptime
sacred timber
but at the same time
north rampart
cool ill swap that in now, 1st time going necro just crafted 4pc
sacred timber
generate as much as possible
chrome falcon
has been basically this whole expansion
sacred timber
also a reason why that might not get used for me isI used to be a bolster noob
chrome falcon
pressing avatar->shield slam with LS up (as long as you have 4pc) is like 120 rage
good lord why were you ever playing bolster
after bfa
sacred timber
I started prot as a meme end of last patch
dusky canopy
@sacred timber try to teach your brain that it’s ok to press SS before revenge as long as the SS won’t cap your rage bar, if it will cap your rage bar hit IP in the same global as SS to prevent capping
ocean yoke
first Slands patch before reprisal with wall maybe
even then AM probably better usually
sacred timber
also, never played wow before SL
dusky canopy
The goal is to not waste rage and cast SS/revenge as much as possible
chilly brook
i'm willing to be wrong but i believe you can't accurately check how much brutal...
I just know in 15s (which kek it's a 15 so who cares anyways and is a poor indicator of true effectiveness) Brutal Vitality actually seemed very impactful, extending current IPs back to full strength before being eaten
chrome falcon
@dusky canopy you prio SS over revenge literally every time
dusky canopy
Correct that’s what I’m telling him basically
chrome falcon
no but you put a condition on it
but either way
SS always over revenge
unless it's a meme 15 with seismic and you're POMPING
dusky canopy
I mean yes he should be aware that if the SS will cap rage he should try to press IP a mili second before the SS to prevent capping
chilly brook
<@!454006337425244160> try to teach your brain that it’s ok to press SS before r...
just press Shield Slam
burn excess rage with IP
generating the rage is far more important than consuming a free revenge proc
not to mention
free revenge means maybe more rage from shield slam reset
chrome falcon
revenge procs literally do not register in my mind unless i use them to bug abuse
the idea of people waiting to revenge for when it procs is giga weird
dusky canopy
generating the rage is far more important than consuming a free revenge proc
this @sacred timber
chilly brook
the idea of people waiting to revenge for when it procs is giga weird
left over from BFA days
chrome falcon
imagine remembering anything from bfa and not purging it from the mind palace
chilly brook
I mean
dusky canopy
Bfa Prot war was the shit dude!
chilly brook
SL Season 3>BFA Prot>Legion Prot
north rampart
if i just want to do 15s as fast as possible what setup do you think would be best?
dusky canopy
You missed out if you weren’t there
chilly brook
if i just want to do 15s as fast as possible what setup do you think would be be...
depends
north rampart
double dps trinkets or aegis for big pulls? necro vs kyrian etc
chilly brook
that is the worst take i've ever seen
🙂
chrome falcon
and this is #protection that's saying a lot
chrome falcon
legion prot had 45% DR spell reflect that reflected infinite spells
higher cpm than we have now
chilly brook
I said what I said
chrome falcon
fuckin BATTLE CRY, revenge hit so hard they had to nerf it multiple times
chilly brook
And I meant it
chrome falcon
BFA prot was just retarded overtuned and all you did was press thunderclap
dusky canopy
What’s average CPM of 4pc necro?
chilly brook
BFA prot was just retarded overtuned and all you did was press thunderclap
I'm aware of how it works
chrome falcon
great so you agree with me i'm glad we worked this out bro
strong forum
chrome falcon
8.0 prot was the absolute worst the spec has ever been p e r i o d
dusky canopy
@strong forum advises to use HR???
chilly brook
8.0 was fine
dusky canopy
chilly brook
It was far better than anyone gave it credit for
sacred timber
pray for me bois
chilly brook
the damage was bonkers
strong forum
<@!192743144276623360> advises to use HR???
Fake news
chilly brook
and the only thing that actually made you scared were the ranged projectiles you couldn't block
strong forum
Don't buy into propaganda
chilly brook
which they changed in 8.1
dusky canopy
HR best Confirmed
ocean yoke
What’s average CPM of 4pc necro?
looking in my logs for raid 80-88 seemed the usual depending on fight
dusky canopy
dusky canopy
Thanks just wanted a point of reference
chilly brook
8.0 prot was the absolute worst the spec has ever been p e r i o d
but with all those caveats yes I will agree it was the worst the spec felt since I started playing it
chrome falcon
ignore pain was on the fucking global cooldown for a while in 8.0 absolutely goddamn unforgivable
dusky canopy
Still don’t have 4pc lmao
strong forum
I was used to it at the point and we didn't generate as much rage
So I didn't fall out of the heavens
I also played fuckloads of beta and pre-patch
So I got used to it very quickly
chilly brook
You just had to break the mental link between rage gen and pressing IP
dusky canopy
IP coming off the GCD felt fantastic for me hopefully that stays
strong forum
I played the same as always, was just a bit 
to pause just to press IP
To prevent rage capping
Was just very slow spec
chilly brook
IP coming off the GCD felt fantastic for me hopefully that stays
It probably won't lol
ebon geyser
what endurance conduit should i run in mari
chrome falcon
IP on GCD was a fucking war crime
chilly brook
IP has been off the GCD for 2 xpacs now
strong forum
Technically 3
chrome falcon
unnerving focus, condensed anima, stalwart guardian
chilly brook
that change lasted literally one patch
chrome falcon
IP was on GCD for like a month so i was mostly memeing
strong forum
Eeeh
chrome falcon
but still i can't believe that was like
strong forum
For like 4
chilly brook
IP was on GCD for like a month so i was mostly memeing
it was longer than that
chrome falcon
a thing that ever happened
chilly brook
it was an entire patch
chrome falcon
like i said, purged from the memory banks along with the rest of 8.0
strong forum
Ye
chrome falcon
the worst patch of the last 10 years
strong forum
Agreed
chilly brook
We yelled loud enough and they changed it?
they changed a lot of the GCD changes
but they've also held onto a few of them
chrome falcon
charged was on gcd too for a while
dusky canopy
Btw nom great podcast! Cheers
chilly brook
chrome falcon
like FULL gcd
strong forum
Bfa had a huge controversy around spells on the gcd
strong forum
Btw nom great podcast! Cheers
chrome falcon
blizzard thought in bfa that people could literally only use their brain cells once every 1.5 seconds
chilly brook
I never get asked to be on podcasts 
strong forum
They reverted more and more spells off the gcd afterwards
Just like the conduit bullshit
dusky canopy
Wait until blizzard try’s longer GCD they haven’t done that yet
strong forum
We had to yell at them from beta to revert gcd changes
chrome falcon
yep we just need demo shout off GCD now and we're gucci 🙂
and back on the AM CDR list 🙂
ebon geyser
what should i run. im necro atm with marileth
ebon geyser
dude tag me im not paying attention lol
chrome falcon
you can drop condensed anima for a finesse if you'd like
strong forum
Yeah, Demo needs to be off gcd, their whole reasoning was "defensives should be off gcd"
And demo is a defensive
dusky canopy
Stalwart>unnerving>condensed
In that order of priority
chrome falcon
unnerving reduces the CD on shield wall anyway
ebon geyser
Stalwart>unnerving>condensed
In that order of priority
so keep the ones i have on then
chrome falcon
if you want a finesse conduit then yes
dusky canopy
so keep the ones i have on then
I would yes
chilly brook
gonna be real
chilly brook
Unless you're actually coordinated
chrome falcon
i mean
chilly brook
3e>2e+1f
chrome falcon
i don't know your situation xpired
should you get an ilvl upgrade? yeah i'd generally recommend it
restive oak
yeah make it 291
chilly brook
finesse conduits are great
specifically the two we have
but most of the time you're intervening on CD
restive oak
its cheap and free stats
chrome falcon
yeah safeguard is great in keys and inspiring presence is absolutely nuts in raid
(and also great in keys)
chilly brook
and I'm not super convinced I use rally enough in keys to even justify inspiring presence
dusky canopy
Safeguard even passively provides a good amount of value with reprisal
chilly brook
Safeguard even passively provides a good amount of value with reprisal
eh
mostly disagree
safeguard is really good for what it does
ebon geyser
My situation, with tier (lfr)pants and chest and crab trinket in bags
chrome falcon
the odds of you doing anything relevant with on CD intervenes are basically 0
chilly brook
but for it to actually be value you need to use it right
which means you're delaying your intervene
for example
vernal vale
My situation, with tier (lfr)pants and chest and crab trinket in bags
Find any shield. Go pvp for a little bit even.
chrome falcon
but i also got lucky
chilly brook
3rd boss of SD
chrome falcon
also yeah good lord that shield
chilly brook
it's super value
chrome falcon
please do the first 2 bosses of the raid
chilly brook
but you have to wait for the big aoe
chrome falcon
on any difficulty
dusky canopy
My situation, with tier (lfr)pants and chest and crab trinket in bags
I second that shield suggestion, shield will make you the tankiest above all other options since you only have a 226
vernal vale
LFR shield even @ebon geyser
chilly brook
So generally I recommend 3 endurance over 2 endurance 1 finesse for that reason
dusky canopy
So generally I recommend 3 endurance over 2 endurance 1 finesse for that reason
I can get behind that makes sense
ebon geyser
Enchant and socket your gear
dude, i swear i saw u typing and i knew u where gonna say something to me LMAO
strong forum
ebon geyser
im so happy to be a warrior 
kind prairie
Is there a way to add the necro banner buff to the sim of another character in raidbots?
dusky canopy
Gang gang
ebon geyser
ok so shield aside, do 291 lego
chrome falcon
only if you're rich
dusky canopy
Is there a way to add the necro banner buff to the sim of another character in r...
Don’t worry about other people banner for yourself like the rest of us chads
ebon geyser
Is there a way to add the necro banner buff to the sim of another character in r...
banner is FOR YOU not for them
YOU ARE the banner
ocean yoke
banner is for me and the other tank anyone else should be grateful to be accidentally included
dusky canopy
^
chrome falcon
@kind prairie i can only find the banner sims from 9.1 if you want those
ebon geyser
banner is for me and the other tank anyone else should be grateful to be acciden...
stop thinking like a good boi, be a degenerate, banner is for u
vernal vale
YOU ARE the banner
If you have spare anima you could even by the Zerith Mortis items for your other greens
ocean yoke
bdk is basically a dps anyway these days
chilly brook
bdk is basically a dps anyway these days
I like BDK less with tier
as compared to before
ocean yoke
i havent played with it myself but i have heard some complaints about the playstyle
ebon geyser
If you have spare anima you could even by the Zerith Mortis items for your other...
what u mean
strong forum
You an buy 233 gear in ZM I think
vernal vale
^
kind prairie
<@222569327562326018> i can only find the banner sims from 9.1 if you want those
I was hoping to sim my friend's toon so I can be all "told you it helps ya fuckin nerd"
ebon geyser
anima gear is 226
vernal vale
Could have sworn it was better than that
kind prairie
Right now he alternates between DH and survival hunter.
vernal vale
Well nevermind ignore my dumb ass.
ocean yoke
theres also 246 gear for the sandworn relics but no shield and not BOA sadly
kind prairie
My other friend in enhancement shaman, we know it helps him as he runs primal actuators lol
chrome falcon
i think it's fine on surv
my advice would be not to try to sell your friends on the benefits of banner (outside of their opener with lust where it'll be worth like 1k dps for some classes)
because in keys it's big doodoo
chrome falcon
it's still worth as long as you have good personal uptime
kind prairie
feels great to use for myself, really love the rage gen and seeing if I can extend it till it off CD again
chrome falcon
but you're certainly not doing it for anyone else
chrome falcon
yeah banners are cool
vernal vale
One MoP banner was fun and it wasn't the raid buff one.
ocean yoke
its nice getting a bit more of a benefit to yourself with the buff too
hard vessel
How much Banner uptime is possible with 4pc in m+? Anyone tried?
chrome falcon
100% in a key is probably like
a theoretical possibility
in some dungeons
but it's more like 70-80% if you know your shit
hard vessel
K that sounds good, got like 40% without tier so I'm expecting a lot
chrome falcon
40% without any tier not bad at all
chilly brook
i havent played with it myself but i have heard some complaints about the playst...
It's not necessarily dissimilar to prot in terms of it being a feedback loop
but it's a lot less.....intuitive
chilly brook
but it's more like 70-80% if you know your shit
it's also highly key dependent
hard vessel
BTW we are tankier than holy Palas by far when both have no tier
chilly brook
ToP is kinda cursed for banner uptime
hard vessel
I mean them yes
chilly brook
Same with DoS outside of Ardenweald
Mists is actually a really good banner uptime key
unless your healer is trolling and waits until after combat to figure out the right door in the maze
hard vessel
A really good banner uptime key is a no bolster week haha
chilly brook
ehhh
I just face tanked it
healer wasn't happy that I kept chain pulling
but hey
hard vessel
I don't care about my healer, I care abiut time loss chain pull
chilly brook
no complaining when I almost 2 chest your key
mighty egret
sigma pulls only
ocean yoke
if banner is up i will throw everything else to the wind i must keep it going
chilly brook
if banner is up i will throw everything else to the wind i must keep it going
exactly
I told him he can start complaining about me chain pulling when 90% of the healing done to me isn't from me
hard vessel
Usually not worth to bolster x5 for more banner uptime tho
chilly brook
Banner going away is cring
hard vessel
Still big timeloss
ocean yoke
bolster mobs do damage, healers heal damage, thus it is healer mechanic
chilly brook
<:keks:936231610850897992>
not actually a meme though I did like 6m? And he did like 1m to me
mighty egret
who knows we might get banner as a talent added on
chilly brook
bolster mobs do damage, healers heal damage, thus it is healer mechanic
truuuuuueeeee
someone give this man a raise
hard vessel
Banner without legendary? This kinda sucks. Better give us spear as talent
ocean yoke
chilly brook
Banner would have to have the extension rolled into it for it to be a good talent tbh
kind prairie
I think I figured it out?
override.conquerors_banner="1"
grave crane
Or make AM reduce its CD as well maybe?
kind prairie
under buffs
chilly brook
I think I figured it out?
override.conquerors_banner="1"
?
kind prairie
oh, um adding conqueror's banner to other toon's sims
for my own curiosity.
in raidbots.
I set the fight to 90s, because that's a reasonable banner time with lust, etc
urban portal
i think its like external.buff.conquerors_banner or something liek that
kind prairie
i think its like external.buff.conquerors_banner or something liek that
Thanks, I will have to try that.
chrome falcon
wait kaldren are you setting THEIR banner uptime to 90s
kind prairie
Trying to?
kind prairie
Oh no what have I done wrong
blazing condor
glory only extends your own
chilly brook
Banner is always 15 seconds for allies
kind prairie
WHAT.
cunning viper
have you tried ITF recently? i find myself doing more dps than using ravager, even in big aoe dungeons
chrome falcon
Conqueror's Banner affects 1 additional ally and every 10 Rage you spend while it is active increases the duration of ||your|| banner by 0.5 sec.
urban portal
have you tried ITF recently? i find myself doing more dps than using ravager, ev...
ravager has synergy with urh, and generates burst rage and burst threat
kind prairie
Excuse my dumb, came back for 9.2, decided to try necro
chilly brook
have you tried ITF recently? i find myself doing more dps than using ravager, ev...
I'd wager you're not using ravager enough
or not running necro
sacred timber
zzz
chilly brook
pretty sure ravager is infinitely better especially for necro
chilly brook
Healer dies 3 times on last boss of SD
you can live without a healer 🙂
urban portal
the urh synergy actually pushes it over the top IMO
sacred timber
I stayed alive for 4 minutes alone and we couldnt kill
chrome falcon
link the log anyway still valuable info
chilly brook
Fat rip tho
chilly brook
did you upload it?
sacred timber
I was live logging
chilly brook
combat log turned off?
sacred timber
I turned it on before dungeon ;-;
chrome falcon
yeah if glory actually extended everyones banner
it would be the most broken legendary in the game
if you're getting 100% uptime you could blanket the buff over your whole raid with 2 warriors and extend it on all of them
kind prairie
It would still be less broken than certain other tanks current setups >_>
chrome falcon
so yeah
blazing condor
Can you still Wo skip the market RP in streets?
chrome falcon
it most certainly would not
kind prairie
oh fair I was not thinking of raid.
chrome falcon
giving your entire raid 30% movespeed and 408 mastery would definitely not be ok
chrome falcon
shield slam casts better, could probably be higher but better
1.3k rage wasted again but admittedly you generated more so as a % it's lower wastage
but still way too high
LS casts better
about 300 rage wasted between charge/intervenes
just hit IP whenever you're going to do one of those things in combat even if you're only like 40 rage
you wasted 7 whole DS casts worth of rage, again if your rage is over 50, just IP before you DS
and 210 wasted on ravager so again just IP more liberally during that
same thing for avatar, avatar gives you basically the same rage as 1 IP so unless you're starved you can always match an avatar cast with an IP
sacred timber
you wasted 7 whole DS casts worth of rage, again if your rage is over 50, just I...
DS?
chrome falcon
demo
sacred timber
w a t
sacred timber
big green orc yelling aaa
ty
chrome falcon
42% blocked hits is also GIGA low
chrome falcon
blocked hits tend to be a bit lower in sanguine because of the gauntlet where it's hard to proc reprisal and you're constantly being meleed by multiple things
but still
chrome falcon
your revenge CPM is also a bit high relative to your SS cpm
chrome falcon
well
you're not doing anything else with that rage
just think of it as "push button to get a seeing red stacks and 3.5 seconds off avatar"
the defensive part basically doesn't factor into it
ocean yoke
tbh dont even factor ip into your decisions just let it rip
chrome falcon
yep
worrying about what your spells actually "do" is a trap
all your class actually is
is a rage bar
that you want to keep below 100
but also try to reach 100 at all times
do this and all good things shall come to you
sick sentinel
Can someone explain how to keep up banner 100%
chrome falcon
spend rage
blazing condor
spam rage
blazing condor
thats where the skill diffs come in
chrome falcon
ravager/demo shout (with booming) on cooldown
blazing condor
how efficient you are at generating and spending rage
chrome falcon
and cast one million ignore pains
sick sentinel
So no revenge, unless it’s free?
chrome falcon
no i didn't say that
i said spend rage, revenge is spending rage
and it's also generate rage
from SS procs
but if you try to spend all your rage using only revenj then you're in trouble
sage yacht
how dis breakdown look?
sweet summit
looks good king
sage yacht
ngl playing necro prot is the most fun ive had in awhile
blazing condor
sage yacht
im dps brain
blazing condor
is it only the miniboss that has true-sight in streets? the one before last boss
if you wanna wo
chrome falcon
yurr
blazing condor
like can i run through the market
sick sentinel
Thats a lot of revenge
chrome falcon
that's an appropriate amount of revenge but probably not enough shield slam
sage yacht
yea i heard that
i press thunderclap to much dont i?
or do i press at the wrong timings
chrome falcon
yep thunderclap sucks a big one
sage yacht
aah fairs
chrome falcon
think about it, revenge does more damage and has a 30% chance to proc SS
SS makes 15 rage which is 3x what TC makes
so revenge almost generates as much rage as TC does anyway!
sage yacht
i might be a little pepega but what is ss
sick sentinel
More revenge less thunderclap
chrome falcon
shield slam good tc bad! tc only good because maybe tc make shield slam
and shield slam good
sage yacht
viral flume
junior pebble
Are there any goood tank trinks from TW legion?
chrome falcon
countermeasure for dam
chilly brook
ngl playing necro prot is the most fun ive had in awhile
brooo I told you
legit best warrior spec in 9.2
no meme
cunning viper
This feels better than prot war 8.3
chrome falcon
i want to see if i can maintain banner for a full normal clear in a curated group in sepulchre
but they'd need to give like 2 mins of just executing the first boss so you can start with like 6-7 mins left on it
obtuse marten
how come so many top players are playing necro? did it get buffed or something?
last time i checked it was all kyrian
sage yacht
brooo I told you
true lmao
i cant stop playing it man
chaining everything just to keep your banner up
median tulip
how come so many top players are playing necro? did it get buffed or something?
In the hands of a competent player it is extremely strong. However, it can be very unforgiving of mistakes
cinder nova
Amazing what happens when a spec gets a cool combo that's not totally imbalanced.
cinder nova
In the hands of a competent player it is extremely strong. However, it can be ve...
What's there to mistake? Just push buttons.
chilly brook
how come so many top players are playing necro? did it get buffed or something?
Necro was always going to be uber good for prot with double lego
tier just compounds that
median tulip
NGL, I am really looking forward to 4pc tomorrow
cinder nova
4p is smoothie brain easy to use efficiently tbh
cinder nova
tier just compounds that
Mfw I'm the only Warr in my guild with 4p and also the highest DPS warrior by that virtue
I am the DPS now
The fury in my guild were malding that I did 12.1K on H Daus
uncut notch
Do any of you guys raid lead or do any kind of raid comp management?
chilly brook
The fury in my guild were malding that I did 12.1K on H Daus
kekw
uncut notch
I’m quite curious as to how you manage the team from the perspective of say, you have 30 good people and you need to get to a mythic team of 20, do your guilds have like a rotation, is it metricated like whoever can do more damage gets kept or what
chrome falcon
Step 1 don't have a 30 man roster
uncut notch
We have a lot of decent players in my guild but there are just so many of them, every raid is 30 people and it makes prog infinitely harder
radiant magnet
Not raid leading this tier, but did last tier. We scored the team based on DPS * Wipefest rating = rank. Top ranks got spots.
chrome falcon
I would never go over like 24, maybe 26 at a push
uncut notch
But they’re all kind of on a level so tricky to know who to cull
civic torrent
Hard question
uncut notch
Not raid leading this tier, but did last tier. We scored the team based on DPS ...
What is wipefest pls? I’m omega casual
radiant magnet
chilly brook
@cinder nova I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a desire to do some tanking this tier with how good necro prot feels
chrome falcon
Telling them they're not allowed to play the video game with us for a night/week/entire boss feels fucking horrible
On easy bosses we just rotate people randomly so everyone can do about the same
civic torrent
Exactly
radiant magnet
What is wipefest pls? I’m omega casual
So warcraft logs ranks you based on output. Wipefest.gg ranks you based on mechanics. Scores you 0-100 based on what you avoided.
chrome falcon
Then over the course of a tier, people get bored or they're just having a bad tier and not playing great
uncut notch
So warcraft logs ranks you based on output. Wipefest.gg ranks you based on mech...
Oh shit that’s awesome!
civic torrent
Who the fuck am I to tell someone who's paying the same sub fee as me "hey you can't play for this boss"
chrome falcon
Or their class sucks for an encounter
uncut notch
Do I just plug in my logs?
chrome falcon
Doing it mathematically like that will work up to a point but you also really have to consider that sometimes there's a player that's maybe not your absolute best
But everyone likes them, they communicate well and they're smart
So the raid goes better with them there
radiant magnet
Oh shit that’s awesome!
Output * Awareness = ranking. So if you have 2 dps at 10k each, but one is 90% aware and the other is 60% aware - you show them and sit them.
uncut notch
But everyone likes them, they communicate well and they're smart
Ah yes, the bard
uncut notch
Output * Awareness = ranking. So if you have 2 dps at 10k each, but one is 90% ...
That’s wild
chrome falcon
tldr making your comp is an absolute nightmare
uncut notch
This is great, thank you so much!
chrome falcon
and i've definitely fucked my team over in the past by just procrastinating and not making that decision
civic torrent
Yeah
uncut notch
I’ll report back with my findings, do you guys mind if I dm you some questions later/tomorrow pls?
uncut notch
and i've definitely fucked my team over in the past by just procrastinating and ...
Same boat, massively. Ten years of this guild never saying no to anyone
And now we’re totally fucked
radiant magnet
Wipefest is far from perfect, but worked for our purpose. If you do use it, I'd check the box to "ignore after 2 deaths". For us, 2 deaths usually meant a called wipe - no point punishing people for dying after you told them to die.
chrome falcon
good vibes >>>>> everything
civic torrent
YERP
chrome falcon
i'd rather have fun for 4 weeks progging a boss than be miserable for less time
as soon as the vibe gets bad
you ain't getting that boss lower that night
civic torrent
left my last guild cos the vibe in guild was the GM GF and the RL BF were the only people allowed to talk during raid LMAO
chrome falcon
lmao when i had my first tier where i started as raid leader i made that a rule
civic torrent
just get fucked honestly
chrome falcon
that no-one can talk about anything other than the encounter during the encounter
there's a video of us doing NORMAL KARGATH BLADEFIST
and someone cracked a joke then apologised for it because they thought i'd get mad
radiant magnet
honestly I miss that about Teamspeak - priority speaker option, so when RL speaks up everyone else is muted
chrome falcon
that was a very bad idea i learned from that pretty quick lmao
that's literally a thing on discord sir
radiant magnet
I saw a guide saying it was a discord thing, but didnt work for us. who knows.
civic torrent
yeah fuck ptt
chrome falcon
it's not an option for me
civic torrent
IMO
chrome falcon
RLing on PTT is goddamn impossible
radiant magnet
easy here, have PTT wired to a foot pedal
civic torrent
smart
chrome falcon
if i had a foot pedal i might
radiant magnet
amazon, $10
chrome falcon
i generally prefer my raiders to use PTT but as long as they're not retarded they can hot mic
chrome falcon
yerp
chilly brook
like between adjusting your gain properly and discord having actually good background noise cancellation it's kinda weird to force PTT
chrome falcon
i have ctrl as my mute key which is fucking bad because ctrl is obviously a spell modifier
chilly brook
Mine is on my mouse
chrome falcon
but i can't break the habit
chilly brook
last row and the top button
radiant magnet
depends on the group tbh. I've had teams where PTT was required because people never shut up
other groups w/ raid discipline enough to focus up
chilly brook
That's an individual person problem
chrome falcon
it is very funny when someone isn't muted and they're having a whole conversation
chilly brook
not a group wide rule lol
chrome falcon
and everyone gets to rip on them
just gotta be quick on your tab out+server mute game in case it's not something we're meant to hear
old flame
hello warrior frens
I need vault advice
I have teir chest gloves and helmet (all normal ilvl)
civic torrent
take shoulders then if you dont have any current shoulder you can catalyse
that are >= 265 ilvl
civic torrent
oh yeah the legs
median tulip
Take the legs and cata them to 4pc
civic torrent
yeah def take them
old flame
makes sense, that's what i was thinkin
civic torrent
Sorry im a dingus
cinder nova
<@145720204775784448> I'd be lying if I said I didn't have a desire to do some t...
My Hpriest ints and gives me Faerie and PI
old flame
all good, I was just half thinking grab shoulders for mog and catalyze pants I had but those pants aren't 278, so that's kinda a waste
cinder nova
Feels cash
old flame
pnatalooons it is boys!
chilly brook
PI during execute would be nutty
chilly brook
you got dudes doing 17k or more in execute without PI
cinder nova
PI during execute would be nutty
It is. That 12K H Daus parse if you look at 20% to 0 I did 23K DPS
torpid junco
What’s our worst stat? Crit or mastery?
chrome falcon
mastery
civic torrent
IQ
chilly brook
It is. That 12K H Daus parse if you look at 20% to 0 I did 23K DPS
yea so not inting
cinder nova
Lol
chrome falcon
embrace CPM
civic torrent
^
cinder nova
Squeak! gives the most DPS though
trim bay
any legion time walking trinks worth famring for
chrome falcon
trim bay
farming
chrome falcon
countermeasure for dps
sage yacht
getting there boys
still alot of revenge
but was top healing so ig its fine
im sorry if i ever hated on prot
this spec is bussin
chilly brook
this spec is bussin
uncut notch
this spec is bussin
King
stuck compass
So i have my two piece can i go necro or should i wait for 4 set. I am noticing I am getting tons of rage with the 2 set already.
mighty egret
you can go necro with 2p
stuck compass
you can go necro with 2p
Right on! Thanks!
mighty egret
obv not as good with 4p but playable with 2p
stuck compass
obv not as good with 4p but playable with 2p
👍
sweet summit
this spec is bussin
sage yacht
googlable question 
im pepga
civic torrent
Friendship ended with IQ, now CPM is my best friend
dusky mica
How people who can't kick get past 2k IO baffles me.
ruby locust
Zug zug dps duh
dusky mica
IO inflation is through the roof this season. Subtract 1K from all dps scores and you'd still be a generous man.
sweet summit
power gain and additional dungeons kinda do that yea
chrome falcon
keys mega easy this season
dusky mica
they are if your friends hadn't all quit because this expac is shite
civic torrent
Feels fucking bad man
dusky mica
rolling the dice on clownshoe dps who have no clue what they're doing but 50% of their dps comes from passive nothing.
civic torrent
3 of my irl friends quit cos of expac
Legit did a 15 top with a mate, died to the xav frontal line that looks like it should just hit Infront of him
Quit the key
Never logged in again
sick sentinel
i cant be bothered any more given the issues
civic torrent
Tbf that spell has horrible telegraphing
dusky mica
When you're used to doing 20s with friends and you venture into pug land, it shatters your mind.
civic torrent
Haha fair enough, it gets exhausting being upset
sage yacht
has he considered getting good?
scarlet geode
Any good Legion trinkets to look for?
sick sentinel
not interested until a new expansion comes out or all boosting for wow is bannable
sage yacht
Any good Legion trinkets to look for?
yea what he said^
sick sentinel
nerf weak auras, don't delete it but nerf the hell out of it
scenic mural
boomer take
sick sentinel
i feel like it just alters the game far too dramatically
frosty ridge
if stock ui was any good
ruby locust
^^^ but yes very boomer of you
ruby locust
frosty ridge
you know who's wrongest? clouds
sick sentinel
anytime someone says boomer i think of l4d zombie boomer rather than like old man old woman
ruby locust
you know who's wrongest? clouds
frosty ridge
anytime someone says boomer i think of l4d zombie boomer rather than like old ma...
I think of boomer bubble gum I had when I was little
ruby locust
Weakauras help a lot though with rotation or specific mechanics it’s all I use it for really
sick sentinel
it bridges the gap for bad players if used correctly, like if a boss casts abiliy every minute and theres a thing player can do to avoid that to not get killed each time, and then so you make a WA that lets him know when its about to come for next cast and go off
ruby locust
So for paragon we use a weak aura to keep a kick rotation
sick sentinel
our keys interupt strategy was "i got next" on microphone
and if you said it, you had to, or expected to
chilly brook
nerf weak auras, don't delete it but nerf the hell out of it
Okay how about they do this
What then?
Dumbed down fights?
ruby locust
We had constant over laps so it made it easy
chilly brook
Cata era raid design?
Like fine get rid of addons to defeat the addon/encounter design arms race
ruby locust
WA’s make complicated fights easier
chilly brook
But you’re going to have to do something to compensate
Because stock UI is shit
Blizzard telegraphing is shit
Shit like LoD would be a nightmare without WAs because the design is honestly a good idea but the execution lacks actually good UX
sick sentinel
maybe not so much dumbed down fights but its very clear when the boss is about to shoot a 5 second you stand in it and die thic laser boi
chilly brook
Having a stance against addons works
sick sentinel
its immensly obvious to everyone that this is the mechanic thats about to happen,
chilly brook
When you as a company put in the work
FFXIV has beautiful telegraphing and a really good design language that alerts players
Like anything an addon could accomplish they’ve basically tried doing in game somehow
Blizz has not done that
ruby locust
Tbh this raid itself has been amazing and honestly shows blizzard is Atleast trying to improve Atleast imo
sick sentinel
sound is a huge portion for some players too, unique spell sound effects would help some players, like on other games FPS or something i often try to go on small musical, or sfx notes
ruby locust
They were harassed alot about getting 9.2 out so I don’t think lod would have been as terrible if they gave it more time
Cause the vote wa makes that fight so much cleaner
sick sentinel
the cockroaches crawling on the screen works really well too, could work with any kind of debuff, like how l4d boomer zombie spits on you and you only see green for few seconds after being hit with the debuff
chilly brook
Tbh this raid itself has been amazing and honestly shows blizzard is Atleast try...
It’s a good raid
I won’t say it isn’t
It’s genuinely good content
What I’m saying is that the whole game would need to change fundamentally if you remove addons
And I’m not sure if they’re up to that task
ruby locust
Oh I 100% agree with you I think getting rid of add one though would fuck so many players up though
Cause some people rely to much on them
sick sentinel
at what point is the burden too much though uses so much memory and resource
frosty ridge
if they remove ui I worked on for years, I'm quitting
sick sentinel
i never played ff14 long enough to set up my ui or even get a full ui, but something like that wher you can drag stuff and delete stuff you don't want from base ui, sure
ember dust
is there an MDT for timewalking legion m+?
ruby locust
I was mostly stating that lod is extremely hard without add ons but would have I think been better given the needed time cause that was a fight we went into without testing cause they didn’t have time all and all though the raid shows so much promise unlike sanctum which was boring and dead in the water on release with the longest boss fight of all time
ruby locust
is there an MDT for timewalking legion m+?
No but the mdi did do a few in the tournament this year along with the normal m+‘s we have now
chrome falcon
thwump are you ok sir
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ember dust
No but the mdi did do a few in the tournament this year along with the normal m+...
ok ty
dire sparrow
should we be aiming to get mythic Skolex shield or Vigilant?
sage yacht
did you officially reroll prot now @chilly brook
sage yacht
should we be aiming to get mythic Skolex shield or Vigilant?
the skolex one has bussin stats innit?
chrome falcon
Vigil is better defensively
chilly brook
did you officially reroll prot now <@!133532617940140032>
no but I'm having a great time
hollow hill
Obviously we're aiming for 100% uptime on banner, but what are you guys seeing on average? I'm struggling to keep uptime over 50%, but i'm literally spamming all my rage spenders, definitely not overcapping rage at all(or very little according to wowanalyzer), and yet don't seem to be able to keep it up for more than a minute or so usually
cinder nova
Do you have 2p 4p
hollow hill
4 piece
cinder nova
Send us logs
ocean yoke
in raids?
hollow hill
Yea I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
lol
I probably just need to play as necro more often, i'm only playing it for raids right now
cinder nova
I probably just need to play as necro more often, i'm only playing it for raids ...
Too much TC for starters.
vernal vale
Yea I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
rage gen looks way low over the course of a fight to me
bright dock
Go to a tank dummy. Step 1 keep banner up till it comes off cd
That's what I did
That's how I learned and it helped me a lot
neat harbor
arent you missing a lot of haste buffs on a dummy? 🤔
bright dock
And rage
cinder nova
Yea I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong
You're not even using Rep
bright dock
So if you can do it on 1 dummy
cinder nova
You have to charge weave you sloth
cinder nova
Even if you aren't using Rep you should be charge weaving
neat harbor
charge weaving a boss could be problematic lol
cinder nova
Not even.
ocean yoke
its pretty easy tbh
cinder nova
Get good
neat harbor
I guess you just do it during leap
cinder nova
Nope
ocean yoke
make yourself a habit of walking out to charge in each time you taunt swap
thatll get you like 80% of it
cinder nova
Just charge when you aren't active and during boss casts
ocean yoke
except for like skolex theres no issue at all
neat harbor
well yeah obviously when youre not actively tanking
cinder nova
If you aren't keeping it in CD you're dragging ass
You can walk away during dust on Sko
neat harbor
doesnt mean it will be practical 100% of the time
cinder nova
Like bro, if you're having a hard go of charge weaving I don't know what to tell you
ocean yoke
also in respect to that log, the shield slam casts probably low, my log tonight 2 mins shorter but you have only 9 more slam casts than me
cinder nova
You're already going lowball at that point
neat harbor
I mean noone is inviting prot warriors to M+ anyway so its all off-meta in any case 😄
but thats another matter
cinder nova
Charging in m+is easier than raid
neat harbor
correct
neat harbor
its not a question of you struggling, its a question of moving/rotating the boss around if you try to do it while you have aggro
so not always practical
ocean yoke
dont need to do while you have aggro
cinder nova
Only if you're a geed and can't do it
ocean yoke
youre taunt swapping enough anyway to get all of them in
cinder nova
You can do it w/aggro tbh, so many bosses have stand casting
neat harbor
well yeah that I can see
hollow hill
You're not even using Rep
Yea I definitely need to be better about charge weaving and intervening. I just focus on mechanics a lot and then forget to do it
neat harbor
but, to say that his lack of charge weaving is a prime reason for his low banner uptime
dont think thats the issue
ocean yoke
theres definitely always a the less you have to think for abilities better you can pump it
hollow hill
Too much TC for starters.
Is thunderclap not really part of the rotation anymore?
cinder nova
but, to say that his lack of charge weaving is a prime reason for his low banner...
It exclusively is
Do you know how much rage it gives with rep
Bro where are you
neat harbor
20 rage every 20 seconds? no
ocean yoke
also you arent using last stand with your banner
neat harbor
it exclusively isnt
ocean yoke
its 40 with reprisal
cinder nova
Is thunderclap not really part of the rotation anymore?
You should have enough rage to not have to press it much at all except total deadzones
ocean yoke
massive rage
cinder nova
I have similar Daus times and and I pressed it half as much
And used charge six times as much
Contentz you really have no idea what's going on my guy
Charge weaving has been worth it since before Rep got a glow up its free rage
Like why wouldn't you want more rage lol
neat harbor
I mean you would, not debating that
to clarify I think theres enough cases in raid when you wouldnt* want to do it to not obsess over it
assuming mythic, assuming prog, etc
mighty valley
You can get great banner uptime without charging on literal CD but most players can and should try for better, don’t need to all lose our minds here
cinder nova
Yeah but home boy isn't charging at all
neat harbor
ok then yeah thats an issue
cinder nova
That's hundreds of fucking rage
Bro DID YOU COMMENT WITHOUT READING LOG
This guy
neat harbor
yeah I didnt scroll up enough
didnt see that he wasnt charging at all
Im trolling sorry
mighty valley
Whatever log y’all are talking about is pages back now, we can chill on the condescension lol
neat harbor
but, I did get tier in vault today.
just sayin
tier in vault is the new holiday inn express
quite the boast
neat harbor
priest kills 20 bosses and 3 weeks of vault: 0 tier - Warrior plays half as much, gets 2 pc with minimal effort
mkes sense
cinder nova
Then again, far as I know most of our raiders aren't getting 2x3 or 3x3 vault
hollow hill
Thanks for the feedback y'all. I will definitely work on my reprisal
cinder nova
If you want to see when other warriors are charging us larrgs
Or just watch replays on WCL
Or both
neat harbor
I mean the crafting tier is nice.... so you get it for sure after 2 months have gone by.. but my contention being, isnt the first 2 months the whole REASON to play a patch? D:
so you end up getting it for sure just as you get bored
lmao
cinder nova
Sorry LORRGS*
hollow hill
lorrgs?
hollow hill
ahhh
mighty valley
I mean not a lot of people have cleared mythic by now lol, so still a ton of people benefiting from crafting tier
cinder nova
Compares parses for cast time to see how and when little are pressing buttons
hollow hill
Nice, will definitely check that out
cinder nova
Yeah makes it easy
As a small aside, you should basically have banner locked to the kill when you hit 20% on most bosses
hollow hill
right, execute should pretty much keep it up
cinder nova
The sheer speed of Ava CDR and Outburst just flushes you with rage
I pretty much only push ShB, SS, and Execute outside of CDs
oblique garnet
ocean yoke
my hand is tired by the end of raid time and i wouldnt have it any other way
oblique garnet
Carpal tunnel speedrun playing necro prot rn
oblique garnet
Sigil
hollow hill
My lihuvim pull just now had 72% uptime on banner with a 97 parse
that was much better
cinder nova
I get PI in execute too
oblique garnet
I get PI in execute too
Curious to see what kind of numbers that is
cinder nova
23K DPS from 20% to 0 on H daus
oblique garnet
Eh
cinder nova
Ashen slaps
brave stirrup
where is the tanking dummy in SW?
oblique garnet
Yeah but prot is the strongest execute spec atm
ocean yoke
one day i shall talk my team into the execute phase PIs
ive wormed my way into the windfury group so thats a start
dusky canopy
one without a single tier piece would prio any tier gear over item level correct? even lfr tier?
oblique garnet
Well yes and no
cinder nova
I mean, I got two LFR pieces
dusky canopy
like our 2pc is worth getting no matter the item level if i dont have it yet
oblique garnet
Yes
cinder nova
And it's busts
dusky canopy
i rolled a 246 shoulder in the vault from lfr and 3 278 pieces that i cannot turn into tier...........
oblique garnet
Oof
dusky canopy
i have zero tier pieces so i could grab those shoulders and use catalyst to get 2pc
im thinking thats the play
oblique garnet
Yeah for sure
dusky canopy
thank you for your input! 🙂
ocean yoke
yeah might be worth going through your lfrs first
oblique garnet
And pick 278