protection

[blazing condor]

this is more fun

imo

[chilly brook]

lmfao

[blazing condor]

unironically the class plays way better right now than what it did in bfa

[chilly brook]

this is literally the best iteration of prot I've played

including legion and BFA

9.2 prot is nuts

[blazing condor]

id say MoP is a close second but i wasn't good enough at the class to even know

[modern trout]

I guess it’s subjective

[blazing condor]

it is

[chilly brook]

didn't play in mop

[chilly brook]

do you have 4 set and have you played necro??

[chrome falcon]

it's not subjective at all

[chilly brook]

Like the feedback loop is 10x more intense than it was in BFA

[chrome falcon]

prot is only a snoozefest rn if you are very bad

[modern trout]

It’s objectively one of the 2 weakest tank specs with tier

[lofty widget]

prot warr and snooze in the same sentence, now thats something i didnt expect to see today

[urban portal]

It's higher apm than almost every tank

[pale roost]

are prot realy bad? couse i got 4set on my fury and thought i try tanking on it. but every time i mention it in guild they say am gonna regrett it as its crap even after buffs.

[radiant magnet]

the spec is bad if the player is bad

[urban portal]

If you just wanna fk around in 15s it's fine

[lofty widget]

wont be able to do rank 1 keys probably, but below that youre fine

[blazing condor]

pwarr arguably takes more effort to get good at compared to most tanks

but if you do get good at it it's a breeze

nothing you'll regret

and also fun

[pale roost]

i mean it looks alot fun. think am gonna try it out. what cov would you recomend?

[radiant magnet]

necrolord

[lofty widget]

anything but venthyr, necro is more defensive, kyr+fae is more dmg

[modern trout]

Prot is reasonably fun with certain builds, but the builds that are optimal are not fun for me

[pale roost]

necro sounds nice

[modern trout]

And they’re just not very good for raids atm

[blazing condor]

well if you don't like it don't play it thats about it

luckily no one is forced to play any class

so go play something thats more fun 🙂

[modern trout]

I’m playing pala and monk atm, both very fun and effective

[chilly brook]

again

[modern trout]

But I still love warrior and am excited for the changes if they do any

[chilly brook]

have you played necro

with 4p

[modern trout]

I don’t have 4 pc yet no

[chrome falcon]

there it is folks

[lofty widget]

cant really complain about a spec if you didnt unlock all the features yet

[chilly brook]

so no 4 pc

have you at least tried necro?

[modern trout]

I wouldn’t call tier feature… I play all the tanks and I did so on 9.2 release. 2 in guilds

[chilly brook]

cuz it's literally a way stronger feedback loop than it was in BFA

there's a difference between opinions and stating things that are just simply false

[modern trout]

I’ve tried necro but it’s probably not the same without the tier

[lofty widget]

tier is a big part of what makes pwarr fun atm tho

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel calling a spec a snoozefest when you don't have the basic patch feature that makes it not a snoozefest isn't an opinion

it's just wrong

fury's pretty boring if you don't have any conduits socketed

[urban portal]

Bdk is pretty boring if you don't have death strike bound

[chrome falcon]

and saying prot is weak in raid is also just wrong

[modern trout]

@chrome falcon all the specs I mentioned felt complimented by tier but still really enjoyable without

[strong forum]

Pwar is so bad that they're doing 26s

And truly terrible that I'm doing 10k dps with 255 ilvl and 2pc

Absolutely unplayable garbage

[lofty widget]

^

[west walrus]

pwarr is dead

[modern trout]

I’ve liked prot in the past, used to like it so much I raided as prot on one warr and arms on another

[chrome falcon]

people think prot warrior is bad because they're room temp CPM and can only handle monk so they play prot and just die

[west walrus]

My warrior is prot since her day one

[modern trout]

Prot Paladin is even worse for that crowd

[chrome falcon]

not sure i've seen too many people calling prot paladin bad recently

or, like, any. like even a single one.

[modern trout]

It’s not, it’s just squishy so you saying ppl who like bm and hate prot bc damage intake is easier to react to would also hate prot pally

[urban portal]

^

Not a single person says prot pal is bad

[chrome falcon]

yeah that makes sense

[strong forum]

Pally ain't squishy, the people just play wrong who say so

[chrome falcon]

well, there is also that

[chilly brook]

Pally is kinda pretty stout tbh

[chrome falcon]

i feel incredibly squishy when i play prot pally

[strong forum]

It's just that brew and bear take about half an iq to perform decent enough

[chrome falcon]

the prot pally i play with feels incredibly squishy when he plays pwarr

we both just suck at each others classes

neither of us feel squishy when we play brm ;^)

[modern trout]

It’s just lower hp than the other tanks. I love playing mine personally

SOR uptime makes a big difference

[chilly brook]

I really need to record a key as 4pc necro

Cuz it’s actually bonkers

[amber herald]

is brew easy I always was told it was one of the more skilfull tanks with bdk

[strong forum]

It do be many fast

Brew was always omega easy

[chilly brook]

It’s easy enough

[strong forum]

Now it's literally autopilot tank with 4pc

[chilly brook]

But there’s a lot of degen crazy things you can do

It’s a low skill floor

[ebon geyser]

Please do I need to make my notes

[chrome falcon]

you can definitely be a very good brm player and distinguish yourself

but

[chilly brook]

With some highish skill ceiling things

[chrome falcon]

you can also be a very mediocre brm and never die

[chilly brook]

Prot warrior is a high skill floor in comparison

You need to know a lot ahead of time

[ebon geyser]

Thing is with brm u throw a rock and hit 20

[modern trout]

Brew master is definitely a little smooth brained for sure

[chilly brook]

Idk I still see a lot of them die

[chrome falcon]

then they're not mediocre

[ebon geyser]

That's me

[chrome falcon]

they're fucking terrible

[chilly brook]

I really enjoy the direction of BrM with SL

Much more like pre Legion

But the degen things you have to do in order to parse put me off

[modern trout]

Vengeance dh is not my thing tho, that’s my least favorite tank

[strong forum]

Highest skill ceiling is bdk rn but relatively low floor
Bear has incredibly low floor, but decently high ceiling cuz of weaving
Brew has very low floor, decent ceiling cuz of stomp and elusive brawler abuse
Pally has mediocre floor and very high ceiling
Pwar has high floor and high ceiling
Vdh has mediocre floor and high ceiling regarding surv but can't do much for dmg

That's my take

Correct me if I'm wrong

[ebon geyser]

Isn't bear snooze fest

[strong forum]

It's snoozefest if you don't want to min max

[ebon geyser]

@undone sun

[strong forum]

But cuz of weaving and urh / holy priest and stuff you can do some fancy stuff

[ebon geyser]

I mean I do get the brm parsing is ass

[chrome falcon]

anyone who can actually tolerate weaving as a druid has my respect that shit is annoying

[ebon geyser]

Yep

[strong forum]

Weaving was the main reason why I considered leveling up mine

Love min maxing dmg

Just sitting in bear all day is boring

[modern trout]

Bdk is highly skill dependent for sure

[strong forum]

Gimme those owlvokes

[modern trout]

More the reactionary skill set

[strong forum]

Bdk isn't reactionary

In the slightest

It plays exactly like prot

[modern trout]

Hmmm

[strong forum]

You anticipate dmg and deathstrike afterwards

[ebon geyser]

I liked bdk because of dnd

[strong forum]

And use CDs before it so you don't get 1tapped

[modern trout]

I do be reacting maybe that’s why I’m bad at it

[strong forum]

Nowadays with 4pc you don't need to plan your deathstrikes as much anymore

But getting the most out of tier is the high ceiling now

[modern trout]

I see what you mean tho

[strong forum]

Cuz teh difference between a good and a great bdk

Are several thousands dps

As shown per naowh

He does 18-21k on retail keys

When every other wannabe bdk I've seen only does like 10-11k

Skill diff

[chrome falcon]

yeah naowh is not actually a real human i swear

[ebon geyser]

U saw the vid of him being top healer and dps @strong forum

[strong forum]

Ofc doesn't take much to find

[chrome falcon]

one day i want to actually end up playing the same class as him so i can discover that i'm secretly dogshit at it

[strong forum]

Naowh is one of the few streamer tanks who can actually play the class he's playing

Unlike other pushers

Who only play the dungeons well but not the classes

[ebon geyser]

Yeah

He is a good tank

Multitank

[strong forum]

His music taste in legion was fucking ass tho

[ebon geyser]

I don't think I have ever seen him on warrior though

[strong forum]

Then you missed all of bfa

[ebon geyser]

Bfa I was watching sco

[strong forum]

Wha

Sco is only good at raiding

Not at playing his class

[distant crystal]

Floorpov ❤️

[ebon geyser]

I mean I only do raids I endure m+ because idk

But idk I like his streams

[strong forum]

M+ makes the best tanks

[ebon geyser]

That explains

[distant crystal]

raidtanking is like holding a baby. it's not really difficult but it's very important that you don't mess up

[strong forum]

Cuz m+ actually requires you to play your full class, not just half of it like in raid

Raid tanking in bfa was literally 0 tank dmg

Except zul

[chrome falcon]

sco was pretty good at warrior in 7.0 i remember but generally yeah he's just good at raiding

[strong forum]

Fuck zul

[chilly brook]

Sco is def washed lol

[chrome falcon]

yeah sco probably has more on his mind than perfecting every tank class now lol

[strong forum]

Sco is good at raiding, mad props for raiding that long and consistently, I couldn't do that even for 1 day

But not good at getting the most out of his class

[chilly brook]

his 8.0 warrior content was frustrating to say the least

[strong forum]

Or dealing good dmg

Yeah, his 8.0 guide was just wrong

I think he picked.. Indom? Over Bolster

[chilly brook]

man would be sitting there taking damage

[chrome falcon]

he did

[chilly brook]

and not pressing shield block

[distant crystal]

BEG PARDON

[strong forum]

He's in monk prison forever

For

specific reasons

[distant crystal]

ohh i thought his guide actually said not to press SB

[strong forum]

There's a reason why he mained monk since mid legion

And hasn't done a tier as anything else

[distant crystal]

wasn't monk kinda cracked

[strong forum]

Monk is cracked

But also can't fuck it up

[chrome falcon]

You play monk when you can't dedicate 100% of your attention to your class

[strong forum]

Alongside the shitty mystic touch

[chrome falcon]

every time i die as prot or some vaguely difficult tank class

i think to myself "man i should just play fucking brm"

[dapper swift]

I say this about all tank specs except prot war. All other specs ez mode

[chrome falcon]

because RLing and playing a hard tank class is basically the hardest thing you can do apart from like

RLing as healer

[distant crystal]

i rolled a monk just because of that one bfa affix

w/ the inspiring mobs

[strong forum]

We lost 4 guild members to monk in bfa

[distant crystal]

incap + rop was so sweet

[strong forum]

As soon as they rolled monk, they quit the game within a month

Coincidence? I think || yes || NOT

[chilly brook]

just bring back pre Legion monk

literally one of the coolest classes then

[strong forum]

Wasn't pre legion monk bad

[chilly brook]

and also not exactly brain dead

[chilly brook]

no just wasn't popular

still isn't

[strong forum]

Monk is popular by the very definition

[vernal vale]

Do it

[strong forum]

Very populated

[tardy sequoia]

so if i craft a tier set piece with catalyst, does its appearance depends on its item level?

[strong forum]

Uuh... Good question

[chilly brook]

probably is this xpac just simply because WW has been busted

[strong forum]

Well im talking brm

It's always the top 2 tanks in raid

In terms of sheer numbers

[chilly brook]

as a class

it's not popular

[strong forum]

Well yeah

That's true

[chilly brook]

pretty sure brm saw huge rwf usage pre legion

btw

[strong forum]

Idk

Pve before uldir has eluded me entirely

No fucking idea about anything on the raid side of things

I don't even know if tanks were such a hot topic before m+

Cuz I somehow doubt it

[chilly brook]

kinda

[tardy sequoia]

how was prot in antorus raid 7.3? i barely had memories of it

[undone sun]

Hello

[tardy sequoia]

better or worse than 8.3?

[strong forum]

Worse

That I know

It wasn't considered a good raid tank because IP was finite

iirc

It would just get eaten up in 1 or 2 attacks

[chilly brook]

in 7.3

you were either full hp

or ded

[strong forum]

You mean 7.3

[chilly brook]

yea

[strong forum]

Ye

[chrome falcon]

7.3 prot was fuckin LIT

[strong forum]

It was fast

But defensively worse than bfa

[chrome falcon]

mm

in keys yes

[tardy sequoia]

i dont even remember what was built around

[chrome falcon]

pwarr was dogshit for keys for almost all of legion

[chilly brook]

lots of rage

[strong forum]

Shield slam

[chilly brook]

and lots of IP

[tardy sequoia]

i just remember there was this talent "vengeance"

[chrome falcon]

absolutely obscene amounts of rage

[strong forum]

You stopped playing vengeance in 7....1.5

?

I think

[chrome falcon]

vengeance was an awesome talent and a great idea i enjoyed it a lot and hope it comes back in some form

playing with vengeance in 7.0 was like

the most fun shit ever

[strong forum]

Eh

It was just revenge - ip - revenge - ip

Always in that order

[chrome falcon]

vengeance+ultimatum

?

[strong forum]

Nothing really relevating

[chrome falcon]

in 7.0

vengeance went with focused rage my guy

[strong forum]

Same thing

[chilly brook]

also yea

[strong forum]

Not rly hype

[chilly brook]

BrM on Blackhand and Archimonde

[chrome falcon]

not when FR got free procs of SS

and they were both off the GCD

[chilly brook]

BrM was really good in WoD

[chrome falcon]

it was fast as hell especially during battle cry

[strong forum]

Idk I didn't enjoy vengeance

[chrome falcon]

when you were trying to jam 2 guaranteed SS crits

[strong forum]

But I was ultra casual all of legion

Never had good gear

[chrome falcon]

i didn't like vengeance when it got bound to revenge

i like the concept of alternating spenders but it wouldn't work right now when both of our spenders are pretty low impact and one is on the GCD

[dapper swift]

vegeance was bs im having traumatic flash backs to tanking prot in cataclysm

[chrome falcon]

i did like that revenge hit like a fucking TRUCK

[dapper swift]

as opposed to prot paladin back then

[strong forum]

I don't remember shit from cata

[dapper swift]

good looool

[strong forum]

Except tiny bits of pvp

[chrome falcon]

i was giga terrible at the game in cata

like even worse than i am now

[dapper swift]

blood and thunder was fun tho

[strong forum]

I was pvp only Andy from late wrath until mid legion

[dapper swift]

I like deep wounds but blood and thunder felt more prot like

back when revenge hit 2 targets lol

[oblique garnet]

cata pvp was great fun

[chilly brook]

bring back heroic strike and cleave

k thx

[sweet summit]

no

[chilly brook]

it would actually be better for the current design

[sweet summit]

cope

[chilly brook]

It would

we'd actually have off GCD offensive spenders

as opposed to our only offensive spender being GCD locked

[chrome falcon]

we already have those it's called ignore pain and it reduces the cooldown of avatar by 3.5 seconds

[chilly brook]

granted if you did bring them back Revenge would need to be changed probably

back to being like a 6 second CD or w/e it was

[sweet summit]

boomer take...

[chrome falcon]

uh

skolex i guess

[chilly brook]

plz explain

how having a spender for actual damage off the gcd would be bad

[sweet summit]

it'd just be button clutter

[chilly brook]

it's like 2 more buttons

we only have like 3 rotational abilities

my 1 key literally doesn't even get used cuz devastator

[urban portal]

@strong forum the skill cap of blood dk is seeing how many speed gems you can get away with so you can chain pull faster

[mighty valley]

People are already bad enough at prot warrior without adding more rapid fire decision making

There’s also a bunch of boring technical reasons why they can’t just throw in a ton of off GCD buttons

[ebon geyser]

SB should be free.

[chrome falcon]

no thanks

[ebon geyser]

SB 100% up

[amber herald]

HR

[jagged pier]

if u want SB up 100% it need to be nerfed

[ebon geyser]

Jakey we missed you

I really wanna get better at this tank I wanna clap em cheeks

[jagged pier]

[ebon geyser]

My goal is get to sense level for 10.0
I need to make thyme and mwahi proud

[jagged pier]

yer sense level is pretty much reachable

[ebon geyser]

Idk sometimes I feel is impossible. Have u seen his tank vids

I saw the jailer one and I was like can u take dmg

To see what u do in panic mode

[jagged pier]

nah jailer hc does nothing

like literally nothing

[chrome falcon]

^

[ebon geyser]

And I have seen pika in m+

But I also feel they have solid healer and ppl so they can be degenerates on gameplay

[chrome falcon]

good prot warriors don't get into panic mode

[tropic linden]

Can u link those logs? I'm 255 and doing 7k on ST with 2pc

[chrome falcon]

because we have no way to live panic mode

7k ST is fine with those numbers Nomer is referring to overall in m+

[ebon geyser]

I went into panic mode in lfr crab from phase 2 to dead

But I calm myself

[chrome falcon]

the boss doesn't do anything sir

[ebon geyser]

Trust your healers and weave your cds

It's my first raid since early early sod

I had to swap to monk

Early sod

[chrome falcon]

no Major the fight is just shitty design

you dunk instantly

and you just don't need the third shield guy

[jagged pier]

it depends on boss hp

once he reachs 40% he stops doing stuff

[chrome falcon]

yep he stops exposing himself after 40%

😳

[ebon geyser]

[bright dock]

What haste are you guys comfy at?

Playing necro mainly

I have 32% with haste vers jewelry

[chrome falcon]

mid 30s but you don't really notice it idk

[bright dock]

Gotcha

[strong forum]

Anything above 25 is fine

And thats just me feelycrafting it

As much as you can get is the goal

[chrome falcon]

yeah you're not gonna replace a few haste pieces and be like "wow this feels worse"

it just, will be worse

[bright dock]

Okay good to know, I went from about 20% from my fury set but have started specifically gearing for prot now and I get the Feely part,after 30% I thought ss procs felt better but idk

[lofty widget]

perfection

[hard vessel]

gets oneshoted by magic dmg even faster 😂

[blazing condor]

[lofty widget]

kick

[sacred timber]

Got kicked for telling a group not to blow CDs half a second into every pull.

[glacial skiff]

What’s the main differences between the necro soulbind options? Is it just single target vs defense value potential?

I keep looking both trees and I’m not really sure why one matter more or less than the other

[distant crystal]

Kevin ftw

[glacial skiff]

Is Kevin simply ST damage potential?

And stats

[jagged pier]

well bonesmith sims higher just

[vernal vale]

Looking at logs from m+ runs last night and I was playing like total ass. I've done considerably better. Part of it was I pulled stupid for bolstering always forget how nearly that can get.

[glacial skiff]

I’m ST only or aoe too?

[grave crane]

Yeah bolstering always gets me halfway through the first pull lol

[vernal vale]

Oh, well it would probably also be good to look at kicks. In DoS and Spires I ran a shitload of kicks never happened which never feels good.

So it's seems like I wasn't playing as bad as I thought.

10 shadowcores got missed in my DoS

I interrupted 5 the mage got 2

Druid and demon hunter didn't get any

[polar shale]

hear me out

Signet with 4 piece

GIGA 5head

[vernal vale]

DPS should be forced to tank dungeons where no one interrupts they would learn so fast.

[polar shale]

yep

[sweet summit]

i still don't kick when i dps keys

[glacial ivy]

can you get reprisal legendary power

from some other source

[craggy pilot]

anyone know if the rings on Dasausage are always the same order?

[glacial ivy]

not only upper reaches

[sweet summit]

twisting corridors
korthia vendor
haven vendor

[glacial ivy]

thx

[ionic fern]

We try and sound smart in this podcast hosted by MarcelianOnline about Protection Warriors.
Ft. your favourite SF's:
-Mr.I don't play but i still talk in Skyhold to call you bad @strong forum
-Mr.My guild hides my logs so i can't show off @jagged pier
-Mr.I wish i had tier 4P but i don't want to do any activities to get it@ionic fern
https://youtu.be/Rof_DE3S6j0

[strong forum]

You know me so well

[jagged pier]

and me

[dawn canyon]

This is good content

[chrome falcon]

private logs is such a lifehack because you can selectively flex on people when you're secretly a higher rank but stay quiet when you're not

maybe i should try it

[jagged pier]

wasnt my choice

[bright dock]

A podcast about prot warrior is this christmas

[chrome falcon]

yeah i don't think anyone parsing top 5 is hiding logs by choice it's very cruel that they make you do it

[jagged pier]

but we did a hc log last night that everything up to jailer was uploaded

now its taken down

[chrome falcon]

[jagged pier]

but im rank 16 without a how boss kill of all star points

also looks like im rank 16 with a boss kill

👍

[strong forum]

Imagine if jailer log was in

[chrome falcon]

i really need my guild to be less bad at xymox and pantheon if possible

https://gyazo.com/99616be30719cbb4ccdbd530685c83c1

because this keeps me up at night

[lofty widget]

yeesh

[glacial ivy]

so i cant buy

[chrome falcon]

every other prot warrior should be embarrassed if i beat them on xymox

[glacial ivy]

specific legendary power

[strong forum]

Nop

[chrome falcon]

because we literally had a minute long intermission

no you can either go get the specific one from the intended source

or buy random ones until you get what you want

[jagged pier]

[urban portal]

did you know you can beat the archon in normal

i had to do that in normal

it doesnt insta wipe the raid

[chrome falcon]

christ

[urban portal]

i had a 8 minute fight

lmao

it had 3 mil hp

while the boss had 6 mil

[blazing condor]

anyone got a good streets route nowdays?

think mine's outdated and havent done that dg since

[distant crystal]

did they ever update MDT after the nerfs

[dawn canyon]

Noggie probably busy

[distant crystal]

my 100% route was showing up as 84% because of nerf

[dapper swift]

After clearing first boss area just go left and clear the outside on way way to post and the oasis

[strong forum]

Don't you need less count now for streets?

[dapper swift]

need good kicks for the dogs

streets is a joke now

[distant crystal]

sorta, same count i think just things give more

[dapper swift]

you barely need to pay attention to % in there now - just take left route

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/left-left-trevor-may-iamtrevormay-left-side-to-your-left-gif-17655193

[blazing condor]

just like my dad did

[strong forum]

Same but a different kind of leaving

[mellow bridge]

it got updated

[chilly brook]

nah go right

going left is gross

[dapper swift]

its way easier

[chilly brook]

doubt

you didn't even hear what I propose

kill wo after first boss, open mailroom, go back to market kill wo again (mobs right before market on right side) one person goes and grab the item. you zoom through market in less than 30 seconds

do club boss

clear trash until lust

kill mailroom

clear mid

go do council boss

profit

[lofty widget]

this is the route

[strong forum]

Sounds complicated

Go left

[chilly brook]

it's really not complex tbh

[strong forum]

Dun care

Go left sounds better

[chilly brook]

it's not

left was good

still is

[dapper swift]

This is the streets version of going left in hoA with lust on shard... try it in a pug i dare u loool

[chilly brook]

but this is better

I've done this with a pug

[dapper swift]

i believe u

[chilly brook]

it's literally not something you can wipe to

[lofty widget]

its actually foolproof (if you can kill wo)

[chilly brook]

^

especially in a dungeon that has portals

it's like using wo to skip to Ardenweald in DoS

it's not complicated at all

and spoiler alert you can grab the item and do it yourself

🙂

[distant crystal]

wo is like full invis now right

can walk thru shit

[chilly brook]

nah

don't step on things

[distant crystal]

what if you cross paths with invis bois

[chilly brook]

as long as you don't have them in your circle you're gucci

[chilly brook]

haven't had it happen

[lofty widget]

hug the left wall down the stairs, then go to the right

[tropic linden]

U can do the deliverys while invis?

This is nuts

[ebon geyser]

I laughed out loud at this omfg ty

[craggy pilot]

does anything cause more animals to spawn on Pantheon HC? 🤔

it felt like we had full room of animals

[median tulip]

time

Pantheon HC is purely a fight about pumping DPS; if you're not doing enough DPS, you get swamped by mechanics

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, at 7:08 we had 3% hp wipe

[urban portal]

wtf

7 minute heroic pantheon

if you are NA and running rn

ill run it with yall

[craggy pilot]

nah we just stopped, and are EU

[median tulip]

Yeah, 7mins is too long

[craggy pilot]

we have only 3 dps over 10k dps

[urban portal]

usually 4-5 min

[median tulip]

Our first kill was 6mins, which is acceptable, but got a bit crazy at the end

If you can push past the second set of adds in phase 1 you should have enough DPS to do it

[craggy pilot]

ye we didnt 😄

we push the 3rd set of ads haha

[median tulip]

Get bigger deeps

[craggy pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/bz6BAXvmjYPCLT84/#fight=43

people are shit at the adds i guess

7dps less than tanks in the first phase

[median tulip]

The difficulty of the fight, from a tanks perspective, it pretty minimal and mostly involves communicating where the raid needs to move to in phase 3

[craggy pilot]

is there a set rotation that is best?

like going left vs going right?

[median tulip]

We split; half the DPS go one way, half the other, they meet up on the far side and then warlock portal back towards where the tanks are

[craggy pilot]

so do you kill the one under tanks first?

[median tulip]

The add that we are tanking on top of dies to tanks and mistweaver DPS

nah, the DPS don't touch that

[craggy pilot]

ah, we couldnt kill the one on tanks without having some DPS stay

[median tulip]

I Revenj it

depends on your numbers I guess

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, well now we go again on next monday

so everyone should have 4p

should be easier

[median tulip]

The one time we have a bigger raid group than normal we had a Ret pally stay with tanks because Ret slooooooow

[craggy pilot]

ye was thinking that as well

[median tulip]

But yeah mostly I pad Revenj on the stack of 2 bosses and an add xD

[jagged pier]

we just kill the bosses

[median tulip]

First set of adds you gotta kill; second set we just push past

[pliant sage]

Watching your MO Cast video about Prot.

[jagged pier]

thats not mine its @wild rampart 's

[wild rampart]

and Marcelian's

❤️

[jagged pier]

❤️

im just there to sound intelligent

then u realise im not

[pliant sage]

I'm not that far into it.

Just saw you in here and wanted to let you know people appreciate the effort.

[craggy pilot]

on heroic Halondrus, is it a benefit to save DPS CDs for the Reclaims?

(considering half my raid is grey parse)

[jagged pier]

[jagged pier]

every one in the vid is in the discord my dude but thanks we all appreciate it

[pliant sage]

Oh Marcelian is bringing up why Ignore Pain sucks. I thought it was just a second layer of anti-death but the reading I've been doing has basically been saying Revenge is a better use of Rage because damage matters in M+

[craggy pilot]

IP is basically just to avoid overcapping rage

[median tulip]

Revenge is a good use of Rage because it has a chance to reset shield slam, allowing you to gain more rage

[pliant sage]

Was more saying 'thanks for taking the time to put more information outside if the discord and verbalizing concepts for people like me that do better with listening than reading' gj stepping up, thank you

[pliant sage]

I'm still in the Legion mindset of IP is magic mitigation and Revenge should only be used on proc.

I'm having to break bad habbits

[fierce spear]

What other magic mitigation do you have outside your big cds and spellreflect for one direct hit? Imagine playing halls without IP. Healers will hate you and the key will be ripped quite fast I guess

[craggy pilot]

halls can be interrupted, whats your point?

[pliant sage]

This is why learning is important. I'm listening to people better at the spec than I am to learn and understand why things work and what doesnt. I'm working on the basis that I'm wrong and learning :3

[fierce spear]

I think on higher key levels playing without IP will not lead to any success. Imagine how much damage you mitigate by using IP during the whole dungeon. I assume that 95% of depleted keys are not depleted because you were missing 2k dps of Tank damage in the end but more because you died of unmitigated dmg

[chilly brook]

tbh best thing you can do is to assign some DPS to kill adds and have everyone else keep cleaving the boss

[craggy pilot]

the adds already die too slow

[chilly brook]

the only thing that matters in halls is kicking the wicked bolt

[chilly brook]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[pliant sage]

Obviously the goal is to use Shockwave more so they can't cast. Intimidating Shout, Shockwave, Shield Wall for every pack. /s

[chilly brook]

we have like 3 locks

so we have them blow up adds

with havoc

and then assign like 2 hunters and a rogue to help

p1 is a tighter DPS check now with the way that they phase at 40%

so ideally you assign just enough DPS to kill the adds and keep cleaving the boss the whole time

if you have boomies they trivialize the adds

then again

your boomie just doesn't like pressing buttons it seems

[fierce spear]

Once again, tank dps is nothing worth if you die as a tank. As long as you can’t 100% assure that all kicks will be done on point it makes no sense to maximize damage

[chilly brook]

1. you're spamming so much IP as it is
2. you can do both so you should

[pliant sage]

Doesn't IP have an upper cap?

[craggy pilot]

youre literally tanky enough with just SB

[chilly brook]

Also

Mobs can't kill you if they're dead

🙂

[pliant sage]

SB?

[fierce spear]

Against magic damage?

[chilly brook]

magic damage only kills

if it goes through

[craggy pilot]

yes, most magic damage is reflectable or interruptable

[fierce spear]

😂 insert good thinking meme here

[chrome falcon]

what tf are you going to do OTHER than maximise damage

[chilly brook]

and if wicked bolts are going through

[chrome falcon]

IP caps at 2

[chilly brook]

IP isn't going to save you

[chrome falcon]

i don't understand what your rage is going on if it's not going on damage lmao

[pliant sage]

This was my thinking. Too much magic damage coming in to have IP affect it a super large amount unless you are dumping all rage into it everytime you can use it.

[chilly brook]

again

[sturdy sable]

Still wont save you

[chilly brook]

IP isn't saving you from Shadowcore

or Wicked Bolts

[fierce spear]

I‘m currently trying 21 keys and I have the feeling that IP saved me quite often in pug keys. If you are playing premade this might be another case, but in pugs you have to mitigate damage coming through

[chilly brook]

you have to mitigate damage coming through period anytime

[fierce spear]

Because damage will come through

[pliant sage]

Man I'm just trying to not suck enough to do keys. Trying to unlearn bad habbits before they kill me

[chrome falcon]

my point is i don't understand what you think the difference between mitigating and not mitigation is

like

you have enough rage that you have to press IP anyway to not overcap

[chilly brook]

^

[median tulip]

This

[chrome falcon]

and if you're IPing so hard that you can't revenge then you're losing rage

because you're losing SS resets

which are rage.

[sturdy sable]

Unless your sitting on globals hoping to pool rage for the right moment

And if you are you playing the game wrong

[median tulip]

Assuming you're running the Necrobanner build, anyway

[chrome falcon]

^ which you should never ever do

[pliant sage]

And more damage*

[chrome falcon]

(referring to dose not zet)

[lofty widget]

thats my healing in a 16 just to avoid overcapping rage

IP should never be an issue

[median tulip]

Rage Spend priority is Shield Block > Revenge > Ignore Pain

[sturdy sable]

Every season we get some blow hard who thinks theyve "cracked the code" on prot warrior

[median tulip]

Replace Revenge with Execute in appropriate situations

[chrome falcon]

to be fair dosequis that's normally me

[sturdy sable]

Lmao

Just hit them with your shield

[chrome falcon]

i constantly think the accepted best route in here is incorrect

[sturdy sable]

Ez

[pliant sage]

Er, someone was talking about covenants like 2mins ago. I'm capping renown for Night Fae and Kyrian, should I care to cap Necro as well?

[chrome falcon]

yes

If you were only going to pick one covenant that you could play for the rest of this patch it would be necro

[median tulip]

I mean, our assessment of the relative merits of Warrior builds does change. Until a few weeks ago I would have told you that Kyrian was the better build. I was wrong.

[chrome falcon]

speak for yourself i am never wrong

[median tulip]

Necrolord is amazing

[pliant sage]

Oh? What has changed to make Necro stronger?

(I wanted to be Necro boi in 9.0 and got laughed at)

[sturdy sable]

We can run glory

And reprisal

[median tulip]

Permanent Banner with Unity and Tier

[sturdy sable]

Even without the tier glory is huge

[lofty widget]

double leggo so we can have decent uptime on banner+tier generating us enough rage to have close to 100 % uptime

[chrome falcon]

i would also have laughed at you if you played necro in 9.0

it was pretty ok in 9.1 though

[pliant sage]

From Feb 2021. " I'm currently playing a Kyrian Prot but I want to be a Necro so bad."

[median tulip]

The only reason I can foresee to go back to Kyrian is if it's Necrotic week in M+

[pliant sage]

Ah so Perma banner is the selling point? I thought that Fury had that broken

[chrome falcon]

no

that nerf was only for fury

it's ok for us to have permanent banner

[pliant sage]

T-T I get to play my favorite covenant. I did the full renown grind on Night Fae just to have Aftershock ready

So hype

I'm going to have to do more research on how to not f up Necro.

[median tulip]

Necrolord Prot Warrior is a fast, pacy build that revolves around Rage throughput; your Rage build and Rage spend are through the roof

[sturdy sable]

Also flesh craft is nice to have

[median tulip]

Once your Shield slams are giving you 74 Rage, you really have to go some to spend it ASAP

[pliant sage]

I assume that it only really comes online with tier and legendaries or do I have to just get part of that going? (I'm doing the ZM grind so I don't have Unity yet)

So revenge off proc and IP as needed

[sturdy sable]

Id say double leggo is the bare minimum

[median tulip]

I only have 2p and I can maintain permanent banner in perfect circumstances without a problem. 4pc will give me the ease of doing it even if circumstances are bad, though

[chrome falcon]

you could get banner up to 1:20 last patch without double legendary

wasn't easy though

[pliant sage]

Even 50%+ banner is stupid strong for allies in m+

[chrome falcon]

no

1. it doesn't increase the duration of banner on allies

[median tulip]

The effect only lasts on you

But

[chrome falcon]

2. you're really not helping people that much with that mastery

[median tulip]

22% Strength with the conduit

[pliant sage]

Hrm. Im obviously new to this, is there a written guide or video about how it all works anywhere? (I haven't looked at wowhead to see if that's updated)

[chrome falcon]

how what works

you press the banner, friends get it for 15 seconds, you get it for as long as you can keep it

[pliant sage]

Oh, how to get rage gen to keep it active. What needs to happen to increase the duration and what conduits make it better

[junior spade]

Are all tanks viable for +15s cause I really want to play prot war over dk and pally

[chrome falcon]

all tanks are viable for +25s

[pliant sage]

I get the basic concept of big banner is good, I just want to understand how to make it happen. :)

[jagged pier]

All tanks are viable period

[chrome falcon]

uh i don't understand the questions buttons you just generate and spend rage

conduits don't change, you were already playing unnerving focus

[junior spade]

Sweet

[median tulip]

The banner generates Rage. Spending Rage means you keep the banner. This is not a complex concept

[jagged pier]

Its made better because of 4 set and double leggo allowingnu to have banner up 100% of the time and keep reprisal

Thats it

[pliant sage]

I wasn't. I stopped in 9.1 and have spent the last while trying different tanks to see what I wanted to play.

[junior spade]

I'm sure that's a stupid annoying question everyone asks. Just needed to be sure

[pliant sage]

So ability priority doesnt change it's just double leggo enabling cool stuff. And from what you said the Necro Covenant conduit gives good strength?

[pliant sage]

Ty

[chrome falcon]

boy i swear to god next time you post your soulbind i better not see SoF

get those executes going

[median tulip]

Meh, I run M+ with an execute-heavy team already, the value is less and SoF gives me more snap aggro

[pliant sage]

Oh, the Thunderclap conduit.

[median tulip]

TBH your third potency is going to be kinda meh regardless

[chrome falcon]

ashen juggernaut is this weird thing where on most packs it's meh and when it's good it's increasing your dps by a bunch

[median tulip]

You're not wrong. I don't have a strong preference between the two, it's just I felt I don't really get value out of AJ in my specific M+ comp

[urban portal]

what snap aggro

300 damage

huge

[median tulip]

The other thing with the banner and Marileth's fleshcraft buff is that you have a permanent 520 extra Mastery. I'm sitting on about 66% Crit Shield Block chance as a result

[chrome falcon]

528!

[pliant sage]

That's great. I think I'm only at +30% Crit Block.

In the MO chat they are talking about controlling Outburst stacks so they arent consumed on Thunderclap, I assume that's just a damage thing or a rage gen thing? How niche would that be in actual play? (How much should I care about what is using the Outrage buff?)

[chrome falcon]

never ever spend outburst on thunderclap

[median tulip]

Outburst triples the rage gen of whichever consumes the buff. Shield Slam base gen is 15, TClap is 5. You can do the math.

[chrome falcon]

set up a system where you receive an electric shock every time you outburst a thunderclap

[median tulip]

Outburst + Last Stand/UF + Shield Slam = 74ish Rage depending on your UF conduit level

So you see why "dump rage into ignore pain so as to not overcap" is a thing

I made my Rage tracker WeakAura call me an idiot if I ever get to 100 Rage

[vernal vale]

Share the weakaura so everyone can know when they fucked up

[chilly brook]

you literally press buttons

you hit banner

and generate and spend rage as much as possible

[pliant sage]

This is what I was going to look at. How to do this the best way or at least not f it up

[chilly brook]

you press revenge

a lot

so you get more shield slams

and use IP to prevent overcapping

[pliant sage]

Doesn't sound hard. Just practice.

[chilly brook]

Last Stand as a rage amp for situations where you feel like you might drop banner

[pliant sage]

Also SB uptime from Reprisal should help.

[chilly brook]

abuse reprisal like a madman for the rage

etc.

Stay in combat always

always be hitting something

that's about it

[pliant sage]

This is what I'm going to have to learn. I have the bad habbit of collecting a balm of enemies and just face tanking them until dead. The rinse repeat for the dungeon

I just have some learning to do and bad habbits to break. Should be fine when I get everything together.

Thx all for the help. I'll be back to annoy with questions as I have them

[chilly brook]

Necro prot is dummy fun

easily the most fun I've had with warrior tbh

[vernal vale]

I'm still a 0 tier scrub and I like necro banner minigame.

[craggy pilot]

how many bosses can be solo tanked in Normal?

[median tulip]

It's literally just a condition of If Rage = 100 then playsound "Idiot" attached to your Ragebar WA

[craggy pilot]

only Skolex?

or can we reflect enough on Guardian to solo tank it?

[median tulip]

The "Idiot" soundbite is even pre-included

[broken mulch]

Any legion timewalking m+ trinket or other gear that's worth farming out you think? =]

[median tulip]

Hope you like Vault of the Wardens

[broken mulch]

yikers =p

faulty?

[median tulip]

Yeah

[broken mulch]

big for prot?

[median tulip]

Supposed to be

I don't have any personal experience of it

[broken mulch]

Gotta make sure to get it first try then!

[median tulip]

Good luck!

[chrome falcon]

@craggy pilot you could probably solo tank almost everything on normal

[craggy pilot]

🤔

[chrome falcon]

vigilant skolex xymox dausegne lihuvim rygelon all doable for sure

pantheon too with good dps

[craggy pilot]

the tanks swaps fall off before it becomes too dangerous?

[chrome falcon]

it's normal there is no dangerous

[craggy pilot]

yea tru

just thinking in some of them i can Spell Reflect

mainly in Skolex

[frosty ridge]

guys, wtf is squeak

[sweet summit]

toy

[urban portal]

It's how you proc unholy shards

[sweet summit]

🐀

[frosty ridge]

how much it lowers EHRPS

[sweet summit]

roughly 3

[frosty ridge]

sold

[thorny glacier]

Any really spicy trinkets from Timewalking worth farming next week ?

[urban portal]

Faulty countermeasure if you wanna be funny in raid

[chrome falcon]

i wonder how faulty countermeasure compares to first sigil

[distant crystal]

for prot dps? should be waaaay better

[waxen orbit]

They really trying to get me to resub

Fucking 272 Whetstone/countermeasure

God if I cave and actually resubscribe I’m gonna fucking fart in my grandpa’s breathing machine

[chilly brook]

[waxen orbit]

WoW is my 3rd toxic ex

[ebon geyser]

Faulty is numbah one in bloodmallet trinket list

[waxen orbit]

Blood mallet is :susge:

[ebon geyser]

look if i wanna know whats good i know jackey will reply and num as well

and zeta will drop some knoledge aswell

so im golden

no need no mallet

[median tulip]

are any of the defensive trinkets worth the bother? How about that Jeweled Signet of Melandrius (sp?)?

[waxen orbit]

Mmmmmmmmm

Nah

Scale

Aegis >>>>>>>

First Technique

Basically the three actual defensive options

[maiden ravine]

Ugh, if Rextroy gets our 2p/4p nerfed.

[rose solstice]

guys quick q- is bolster worth taking for synergy with unnerving focus?

[chrome falcon]

no

and he won't get it nerfed

they'll reduce the tier buff to 100% in pvp combat or something

[chilly brook]

No

Bolster is bad

[rose solstice]

cheers, lol

[vernal vale]

its as good as our current haste crit rings I would think, with a tiny bonus to auto attack

if it was the old version that added 10% it would definitely be worth

[ebon geyser]

one thing that i dont do is i dont hit revenge enough after watching sense lithium kill

i just only hit it when i proc it

...BIG OOF

now i know why my dps is shit

[chrome falcon]

we've been saying in here that you just hit revenge to dump rage

[ebon geyser]

[ebon geyser]

welp lesson learned

[vernal vale]

@chilly brook tried out your pathing using wo in a pug 16 streets

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CYcHPVFXrRmnMTQq/#fight=last&type=casts

felt pretty solid actually

monk was trying to heal me like i was a blood dk at the start though lol

[austere forum]

Didnt somebody link a WA with a timer for when Banner was up?

[chilly brook]

It’s a really good route

[toxic pewter]

anyone have any advice for keeping conqueror's banner up more? I read that it can be kept up 100% of the time for some people? Am I missing something? Apparently I ahve it at 40% uptime rroughly... I must be doing a lot wrong

[chrome falcon]

Generate rage

Spend rage

Don’t waste rage

[toxic pewter]

what do you mean by dont waste rage

[chrome falcon]

If you have 90 rage

And you shield slam

You wasted 5 rage

[austere forum]

should I be looking to keep above like 40 rage at all times? I get spammy and take myself to 0 sometimes...

[toxic pewter]

But is it true that people have 100% uptime on conquerors banner?

I find myself losing it sometimes pack to pack

[chrome falcon]

You said 40% uptime? So that means you spent… 660 rage? Over the course of 50 ish seconds? That’s low

[vernal vale]

I was really happy with the run despite it not being the cleanest. Better than my others where I went left.

[chrome falcon]

In keys it’s harder to get 100% uptime

But 40% especially if you have tier+reprisal is low

[toxic pewter]

40% over course of entire dungeon

[chrome falcon]

Right gotcha

[chilly brook]

It goes super smooth and there’s nothing crazy with trash

[toxic pewter]

hmmm I agree its way low, i am doing something very wrong

[chrome falcon]

Depends on the key in some it’s harder to keep it up

Do you have logs apb?

[chilly brook]

Don’t have to rely on people kicking a curse instead of a breath

[toxic pewter]

not really I jsut switched to necrolord today

[chilly brook]

That haste curse is so bad

[toxic pewter]

so I am still trying to get used to it

[chrome falcon]

If you can log a full run and post it in here some time tomorrow and ping me I can take a look

But keeping banner up is all about generating and spending as much rage as possible

[toxic pewter]

Ok- thank you for the help

[vernal vale]

Demon hunter backlfipped and pulled extra at one point. I'm probably going to start going right with wo everytime. The run felt better.

[chrome falcon]

But fortunately, spending and generating rage is what you should be doing anyway

[toxic pewter]

right

[vernal vale]

Do you have tier?

[ocean yoke]

it definitely takes a sec to get used to the high cpm for it if youre overcapping

[chrome falcon]

So good necrolord habits are good habits in general

[toxic pewter]

2 piece tier yes

[vernal vale]

Without tier in dungeon I have about 35% uptime.

[chrome falcon]

Ah ok only 2

[toxic pewter]

Ok Yeah I am very much messing up then

[chrome falcon]

That explains some of it for sure but you could probably push it a bit higher

[toxic pewter]

yes

[chilly brook]

I’m trash

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/24BnFAjPkaCzyNrf#fight=3&type=summary

[vernal vale]

So yeah, best advice pull faster, and generate/spend more rage.

[chrome falcon]

Are you spending outburst on thunderclap

I am on mobile sir it’s 4am here

[chilly brook]

It’s ok I know what I actually need to do I’m just calling myself trash

[toxic pewter]

I won't lie- sometimes it happens, the pace of necro prot warrior is insane- i feel like I am under the gun constantly LOL

i should be saving outburst 100% for shield slam I know

[chrome falcon]

Yep that’s why we love it

It definitely takes practice

[toxic pewter]

its an insane spec right now

[chilly brook]

It’s fantastic

[toxic pewter]

I wont lie I am havign fun

[chrome falcon]

Also griff that doesn’t look bad to me at all at a quick glance your CPMs generally seem good and you’re not wasting buckets of rage

Charge more though

[toxic pewter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/id/46873819?zone=25&new=true#private=1&bybracket=1 this is my char on warcraft logs does it show logs though? I am no sure how it works

[chrome falcon]

No that’s just the leaderboard, you or someone in your group would need to actually combat log

[toxic pewter]

Ok

[chrome falcon]

Which I’ll be honest I can’t quickly or easily explain the process for on mobile

[toxic pewter]

fair enough

i can google it

[chrome falcon]

Some of the stormforged have a copy pasta that explains how to do it but

[vernal vale]

Some people log pugs to analyze what they do.

I log all of mine now as I'm pushing to improve.

[chrome falcon]

Yep it’s worth doing for sure

[vernal vale]

While your here @chrome falcon want to look at my streets log. See if you notice anything glaring for me.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CYcHPVFXrRmnMTQq/#fight=last&type=casts

I'm working on rage management right now. I'm still overspending.

[waxen cradle]

Hey guys do you run a specific focus macro for intervenes for Reprisal or just a basic set focus one ?

[vernal vale]

#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover] Intervene
/cast [@focus] Intervene

That way if my focus is dead I can mouseover quickly

[chrome falcon]

I have a mouse over but mostly just use one that casts it on whichever melee in my group I distrust the least

So I can brainlessly hit it on CD

@vernal vale not an insanely deep dive or anything but quite a bit of wasted rage, nearly 1k over the whole run

[toxic pewter]

is haste better than vers these days

[vernal vale]

Yeah, im doing better than a week ago but still wasting a lot of rage.

[chrome falcon]

Wasting 150 rage on avatar casts in particular means you wasted 5 whole avatar casts of rage, any time I’m gonna press avatar I literally mash IP until my whole bar is gone

Because I’m about to get 75 rage from avatar+SS

(This is where you need to be careful that you don’t waste your stacks by overlapping with avatar obviously)

[vernal vale]

I will get into that habit. Thanks.

[chrome falcon]

And remember that ravager fills the majority of your bar so you can slam extra IPs during that too

And yeah also consider that wasted rage is even worse than it looks

Because it’s less banner uptime

So you wasted rage AND lost even more potential rage

You could also charge and intervene more but I would worry about fixing the rage issues first

[vernal vale]

Yeah, I was running NF tonight because I'm sad about no tier this week.

[chrome falcon]

SS and revenge casts look ok though

Oh yeah you’re NF what am I talking about lmao

[vernal vale]

I attempt to intervene on CD

Hold it this week if it overlaps quaking by a few seconds.

Then hut it as soon as quaking goes off.

[chrome falcon]

Yep

But yeah just mash more IP

300 rage wasted on SS is literally 20 wasted casts

[vernal vale]

Completely swapped my problem now lol. Hitting revenge enough now but failing to hit IP enough.

Overall I do feel like I'm improving and appreciate the feedback.

[chrome falcon]

All about playing whack-a-mole with your bad habits until they’ve all been purged and beaten to a pulp

As long as you’re keeping SB up and generating and spending as much rage as humanly possible, everything else falls into place

[chrome falcon]

Always has been, ilvl is king but haste is bis

[chrome falcon]

Nothing wrong with going to 0 rage, it’s not doing anything for you if you just sit on it

Just make sure you can shield block when you need to and you generate as much as possible

If you’re sitting at 0 rage and SB is about to drop, THATS a problem

[sacred timber]

🤷‍♂️

[mighty egret]

that looked rough

[urban portal]

9.0 damage

damn

[sacred timber]

Prot is a meme

[mild bough]

Any tips for prot warriors on handling the dot damage from mythic dausegne?

[waxen orbit]

Spell reflect off CD, IP mash (which you’re already doing a lot from tier set and necrolord rage gen)

[mild bough]

Doubt it’s worth it to use the spell reflect leggo yea

[urban portal]

That's cringe

[dire sparrow]

does Demo shout affect all damage the boss does to you, ie Riftmaw on mythic skolex?

[austere forum]

Thanks

[broken stratus]

how many target would we cast empower TC instead of shield slam?

[meager locust]

for dam? usually 4

or 3

for rage? never. always shieldslam for more rage

[jagged pier]

u dont

[jagged pier]

yes

[bright jetty]

hey guys, quick question: whats more viable pulsating riftshard or codex?

[jagged pier]

codex

[bright jetty]

alright ty

[dark lark]

Even gravitational core collapse on Rygelon?

[jagged pier]

well it hits the orb

but SW is enough for it

[jagged pier]

low blocked hits,
wasted 1k rage,
casts a bit low

[blazing condor]

jakey doing bits in the morning

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

/

[jagged pier]

just

always

[blazing condor]

there there

[jagged pier]

i just need

[scarlet ember]

I'm necrolord tank and i'm wondering if something is normal or not.
I noticed that the conqueror banners buff last quite a long time for me: i managed to extend it to 1.40 minutes but the buff seems to expire on my mates after 15 seconds.
Does the legendary only applies to me ?

[jagged pier]

yes

always has

always will

otherwise it would be busted

[scarlet ember]

agreed, but the wording on the legendary item is shit then.

[strong forum]

If you could extend it for your teammates aswell

Ho boi

Nerf bat inc

[jagged pier]

that being said 1:40 mins is like last patch banner time

[blazing condor]

:bonkcat:

[scarlet ember]

i know i can do better, but i think that blizzard could be at least a bit more explicit in their tooltip so that i don't need to check guides on the internet or logs to know how their spell work.

[lofty widget]

seems clear enough to me

[jagged pier]

☝️

[uncut notch]

I will defend him slightly - it doesnt differentiate between the buff and your banner

I can see how he's come to that conclusion

[scarlet ember]

yeah, i mean it is clear once you know that the "warrior" banner and the "others" banner are two different buffs.

[sick sentinel]

Hello everyone, a rookie question about the standard rotation. In the reload time of the two shield block charges; what is used to mitigate the damage?

[lofty widget]

reprisal

[blazing condor]

intervene or charge with the Reprisal legendary

[lofty widget]

charge/intervene

[uncut notch]

As others have said, intervene your casters and charge back in, or if all melee use leap and charge

[ionic fern]

Why not just Intervene a melee player?

👀

[uncut notch]

More rage and SB time i guess?

[blazing condor]

what orange man said

[jagged pier]

why would u wait a revenge proc?

[blazing condor]

youre wasting revenge proc

[ionic fern]

^

[uncut notch]

Isnt it cost neutral tho

[blazing condor]

free damage is free damage

[uncut notch]

No because Revenge is 20 rage, reprisal gives 20 rage

[blazing condor]

but you only get one "Revenge!" proc that you can use

[uncut notch]

So its a net positive as you're prioritising the more expensive SB buff

Or is this with the BSC Damage buff?

[blazing condor]

i mean it's both

[jagged pier]

but the revenge is free

and can reset SS

[uncut notch]

But the opportunity cost is entirely neutral

Someone smarter than me can do the maths but the double buff of SB costs more rage equivalent than one proc of revenge

But i think at the level we're talking about it really doesnt matter

Debating over like a 10 rage differential every 30-40 seconds

[ionic fern]

I'm super confused about what you're arguing about.
Why Intervene range->Charge back for 2x SB + 1x Revenge when you can Intervene melee->Leap->Charge for 2x SB + 2x Revenge?

Don't even need to Leap, just take 2 steps back.

[uncut notch]

Prefer to save leap in certain keys for kiting if i can, places like halls, dos, etc

[ionic fern]

You do you., 🤷