Yeah, when I say it's the worst
#protection
urban portal
Prot warrior still goes crazy on physical tank busters
teal swift
I'd just like to see it buffed a vit
teal swift
Prot warrior still goes crazy on physical tank busters
100%
urban portal
Our tier set doesn't scale w target count
Is my biggest problem imo
Literally everyone else does
teal swift
Like prot warrior, is okay and viable in all content minus very top of m+ rm
So balance is good, but it being so drastically underrepresented
It'll likely get some buffs going into 10.0 prepatch
teal swift
They seem to like to shake up balance
ionic fern
Low presentation = people being dumb and following tier lists.
teal swift
Stop making strawman arguments.
urban portal
It's not worth rerolling for is the thing basically
urban portal
Every other tank was either so op it was worth rerolling for, or mandatory in raid
ionic fern
That's a whole other topic. 🤔
teal swift
Rn, unless your raid is a unicorn, and has no warriors
There's 0 reason to reroll to a warrior
Unless someone likes it
ionic fern
Okay..?I thought that's the main reason..you like the class..you play the class.
teal swift
I think prot warrior is currently the weakest, of all 6 completely playable and well balanced tanks. I'd like to see prot warrior improved in some way just to shake up meta again. Prot warrior is better now than in BFA for raid, worse for m+. Maybe reverse that again
teal swift
Okay..?I thought that's the main reason..you like the class..you play the class.
Unfortunately
Most people don't subscribe to actuslly having fun in wow
So they whine and bitch, and let the game be a cortisol factory while they play bear they don't wanna play
ionic fern
Honestly i don't think prot is bad currently. It's in a really solid spot.
There are some outliners with tier set/ double legendaries for tanks but that's about it.
teal swift
I don't think it's terrible, I just think it could be better.
Ideally, you'll see 16% representation on every tank. But rn it's the closest I've ever seen to that so
5/6 is okay with me. It's not like prot is unplayable or bad.
It's just that there are better options. I personally adore prot warrior
ionic fern
That's never going to happen because when some top 1 streamer says X is good everyone will follow that
urban portal
The thing about classes is that you have to be super op for people to reroll for you
ionic fern
Even if the difference between S and D "tier" is 0.0003%.
jagged pier
even when prot is top tier is has less representation because ppl just dont like the spec
urban portal
even when prot is top tier is has less representation because ppl just dont like...
Think it's because it's mitigation is very invisible?
teal swift
even when prot is top tier is has less representation because ppl just dont like...
I thought it was the most played m+ tank in bfa
urban portal
Like unless Im perma staring at combat logs Idk how much I'm actually mitigating
teal swift
Xoxo @jagged pier
teal swift
Deathstroke is definitely visible lmao
urban portal
Yeah
teal swift
Makes your tank invisible in raid
To your healers
Cause you basically ignore there health ar
urban portal
Ye all you need is externals here and there
@teal swift can I get in on some heroics sometime
With your guild
I'm guildless rn
ionic fern
Same.
jagged pier
prot was only popular in season 4 even tho u had bom etc in season 2 onwards
and even in season 4 its not all prots there are all the other tanks there too
ppl just dont like the spec
ionic fern
Unless their stuff got nerfed they are still ahead in overall.
High hopes of it getting trucked tho.
🙏
gaunt dawn
Yeah but hear me out
What if I'm a player that doesnt know how other specs work
Nerf bdk?
urban portal
Ofc
gaunt dawn
🤝
urban portal
Nerf their kit so they rely on borrowed power more
urban portal
Isn't it only like 3 globals
gaunt dawn
Nah
gaunt dawn
The 4p ramp is more like 8-10 globals
dawn canyon
Isn't it only like 3 globals
Negative aggro globals
gaunt dawn
But you can maintain that ramp for prolonged periods with chain pulling
And not inting a single global
cunning viper
how big is the jump between 2p and 4p bonus, im currently doing 22 keys and i wonder if i'd feel a substantial difference whenever i get 4p
gaunt dawn
So player skill becomes a factor
dawn canyon
That's why naowh and lepan are doing so well
urban portal
Oh yeah I see it
dawn canyon
Since they mained it for ages
ionic fern
So player skill becomes a factor
That i like. You should be rewarded for playing well...BUT it should be so for every tank then.
gaunt dawn
Its not ideal
ionic fern
Currently blood is just a outliner , a good outliner, but still a outliner.
gaunt dawn
I dont have OWS
urban portal
Does brew have to chain pull
gaunt dawn
Yep. All tanks need to chain pull
urban portal
Or are their keg buffs independent
urban portal
So can you go to infinite str on blood?
gaunt dawn
Caps at 75%
urban portal
Still a lot
gaunt dawn
But is only active when your drw is
And that extends by 1.5s per heart strike
Which is tied to your rune regen
dawn canyon
Also smart rune tap use
gaunt dawn
Blood tap*
urban portal
Rune tap is too high iq
dawn canyon
Which is tied to your rune regen
Which is linked to marrow rend usage
gaunt dawn
You marrow once per 30s
west walrus
People see very skilled BdK or pal, then think the class is OP
But they rarely think you have to play it properly
dawn canyon
Necro makes it a lot better
urban portal
What about brew, can they have infinite HP or are the stacks independent
dawn canyon
Oh so it's like battlemaster
gaunt dawn
If you keg a target with reduced damage taken. Your max hp buff gets multiplied by that damage reduction
dawn canyon
Okay yea i dont understand it properly ill read it up again
gaunt dawn
Happens when you keg artificer during intermissions
teal swift
@urban portal I quit
urban portal
Gg
Think prot needs a st buff somewhere
If we aren't going to have a scaling aoe tier set
Give some st
dawn canyon
Think prot needs a st buff somewhere
necro execute
ionic fern
Make SS hit moooooore.
jagged pier
well as monks KS hits like 8k uncrit on everyhting and SS hits like 4kish now
dawn canyon
Double ss dam 
jagged pier
another little buff would be nice but as we've seen u can be up with the paladins and bdk on ST
sense proving that
urban portal
10 stacks of hp buff
Do those 10 stacks roll independently
Or do they refresh when you pick up a new one
ionic fern
well as monks KS hits like 8k uncrit on everyhting and SS hits like 4kish now
Gimme that 25k non crit SS.
Wait, gimme 2p first.
jagged pier
maybe do content?
jagged pier
like lfr has more than 3 tier bosses now
ionic fern
Isn't the thinguy coming this week
That allows me to craft tier?
So i can just craft 1 more piece.
jagged pier
well u need currence
gaunt dawn
Or do they refresh when you pick up a new one
Why not both
jagged pier
which u might not have
ionic fern
which u might not have
Naa, i got that Cosmic flux thingy.
west walrus
I'm thinking about one thing... What if seeing red gives some hp buff?
urban portal
The value is a weird amalgamation
So it's just monster spaghetti that we don't know about
ruby berry
Isn't everything when you really get down to it?
silk pine
How about indomitable heals more
ionic fern
Huh?
jagged pier
eh?
deft granite
IS there ever a situation where you thunderclap over SS with outburst (high target count) or is the extra rage from ss just better for more revenge
deft granite
bet
dawn canyon
On the high target count, while at some point TC is more damage
SS' Bonus rage equals 2 revenges which is more damage than the empowered TC by a longshot
deft granite
that makes sense ty
hard vessel
So even on big m+ pulls with 8+ target no buffed TC?
jagged pier
nope
dawn canyon
Read what i said 2 messages above 
median tulip
I wish TClap's rage gen scaled with target count. Make it 5 Rage +2/target
strong forum
I wish TC did dmg
oblique garnet
I wish TC did dmg
Tc was too strong last expansion because systems made it strong which gets it nerfed and now made into useless button damagewise
Very cool
low kindle
TC buff would be very cool, would not mind going back to UF playstyle
ionic fern
jagged pier
strong forum
Tc was too strong last expansion because systems made it strong which gets it ne...
Very fun
worthy haven
Something very surprising, there's 0 beard in the top 20 tanks on Io but there is a warrior
oblique garnet
Severe threat issues outside of cds
Warrior is probably the only tank that doesnt suffer from that
jagged pier
☝️
strong forum
Bdk is perma inside CDs and vdh still has spirit bomb and lot of fel devs
jagged pier
cant even do a +5 with tier
strong forum
And bears get boatloads of dmg from barkskin, I think every tank is in the same boat for the exception that bdk just does 50% more than other tanks
Bdk just doesn't have any snap
uncut notch
Before and after your guys coaching, identical keys
So uhh, thanks 🙂 - 30% EHRPS reduction and wasted rage down by about 60% overall.
Not to mention i'd gone straight in from a low key so had only had scale and seismic lego haha, forgot to switch back.
strong forum
uncut notch
Also Necro is giga fun
im a full convert now
spear is sick but banner is just immortality mode
oblique garnet
Banner is big dam
rich beacon
Well, i just did a 16 Halls and I took double your damage in the "before" picture. Im just going to surrender my shield and pick up a secon weapon.
uncut notch
Well, i just did a 16 Halls and I took double your damage in the "before" pictur...
Thats EHRPS - my Damage taken was way higher
my raw DT was 5.6
dawn canyon
Tc was too strong last expansion because systems made it strong which gets it ne...
Love base spec being cucked when it's borrowed power that makes it bad 
ionic fern
So...you mean every expansion?
dawn canyon
Im not implying that's a bfa/SL Problem
Idk when it came up since it probably did before i started playing
strong forum
If we removed borrowed power right now without any changes, bdk and bear would be in the fucking dirt
Pwar would struggle a bit
dawn canyon
All I know is in MT some base specs feel very iffy
strong forum
And vdh pally and brew would chill
silk pine
Hey guys i am probably changing my race what would you recommend more kul tiran or dark Iron dwarf? The active of dark iron dwarf looks awesome to remove dots, but on the other hand kul tiran looks awesome and 2% hps of damage intake sounds good aswell
ionic fern
DID.
limber sky
Anyone know this wake or addon?
dawn canyon
Text or icon?
dawn canyon
Weakaura
limber sky
Stay the .. here
dawn canyon
Np
limber sky
Very thx wariror friend
steel mist
tried to run a plaguefall +15 with 3 other guildies and pugging a healer shaman who has 2.5k rio, we go to the mushroom adds with two packs and for a whole minute i was outhealing the resto shaman and noticed he was dpsing instead of healing me and i just died with only riptide casts
told him how are you not healing me and the others, he says he cant heal offspec......
and quits the key
tropic linden
told him how are you not healing me and the others, he says he cant heal offspec...
Download the raider.io addon, u can see the RIO for each spec
ionic fern
jagged pier
GIGACHAD
dawn canyon
median tulip
The difference between dungeons this week is really getting to me. Can easily +2 Mists, ToP, Streets. Get absolutely trucked by DOS and HoA
hard vessel
Streets trash is still giga pain for warriors and DOS only these 4 inner ring packs are pain, everything else is giga easy
median tulip
I have had zero problems in Streets. +2d a 16, no worries
hard vessel
try 21 without a rogue and with 0 tier set, it's worst dungeon for us :)
oblique garnet
@ionic fern imagine
jagged pier
what do u mean imagine thats reality
uncut notch
The difference between dungeons this week is really getting to me. Can easily +2...
Dos is the most frustrating key. Get absolutely assfucked on the ring mobs and then afk the rest of the dungie
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> imagine
I'm in this image and i don't like it.
oblique garnet
what do u mean imagine thats reality
I know right? Im 10/11 mythic 275 ilvl 2.7K and decline 
jagged pier
steel mist
are they still asking for that 4 set pieces
uncut notch
Faction change - good tanks are rare on alliance side so can usually get into every key I apply for
I’d say it’s at least a 60-70% success rate
oblique garnet
Yeah im not playing on alliance
uncut notch
It’s the only thing that makes me sweaty about cross faction
strong forum
Sorry only 4pc + jailer wep bdks can tank 15s
jagged pier
true
steel mist
im on alliance and a russian hunter was asking if im inventing a new route in Spires , news flash we 2 chested it
he just left in shame after we timed it
jagged pier
the amount of times ive been told left side is trash in SoA and then proceed to +2 the key its staggering at this point
steel mist
left side instead of right side
strong forum
Left side is so much better
steel mist
i know
hard vessel
Left side is just slower than right
steel mist
less stresssful
jagged pier
i have always been faster on left side
strong forum
I don't see how left side is slower
jagged pier
i literally can solo 2 of the packs left side
hard vessel
There are more big mobs which give the 75% buff on all mobs
This is why it's slower that's all
steel mist
if left side is slower for you than there is something wrong
i just mark the add and the dps go boom on it with me doing the ccs
median tulip
More Etherdriver; those things practically kill themselves
ionic fern
More Etherdriver; those things practically kill themselves
"Don't kick/stun, i will SR"
Everyone kicks/Stuns while i SR.
steel mist
and silence
ionic fern
hard vessel
Yeah but on right side you skip this 75% mob, on left there are 2 of them, so easy slower, but not much, this is why every high key is played on right side :)
median tulip
"Don't kick/stun, i will SR"
Everyone kicks/Stuns while i SR.
🤦♀️
hard vessel
"Don't kick/stun, i will SR"
Everyone kicks/Stuns while i SR.
Rip 50k dps
jagged pier
thats why u go first and pull them before ppl are even there
median tulip
Yeah but on right side you skip this 75% mob, on left there are 2 of them, so ea...
You mean the Squad Leaders?
hard vessel
Ye
ionic fern
thats why u go first and pull them before ppl are even there
Jeh, works great during Spiteful weeks. Kill everything while near the flying dude - spam the fly button and activate it before you get in combat with Spiteful.
And watch everyone else stay behind.
radiant magnet
Dos is the most frustrating key. Get absolutely assfucked on the ring mobs and t...
My regular group actually skips those ring packs now. Sounds silly, but works. Take Wo off the entry pack, skip to Ardenweald where you clear almost everything - leaving that north pack of birds w/ relics. After boss, clear that pack w/ Wo - skip to 2nd pack in Hakkar wing. Clear Hakkar, on your way out clear the entry pack w/ Wo - skip to Mechagon, full clear.
After 1 'practice' run to train them, the timing is still basically the same - but zero risk of missed interrupts, wipe, etc. You do need some caution with the pats around the ring. Also 1st Hakkar pack since you save those for exit. Not saying it's ideal or anything, but it works if those packs are the painful part for your team.
ebon geyser
I'm panicking on anduin, try it last nite but in lfr and it was horrible
uncut notch
I'm panicking on anduin, try it last nite but in lfr and it was horrible
Honestly, anduin is an on:off switch
Either you can tank the mobs or the willpower isn’t high enough and you’ll die
ebon geyser
I mean is lfr I thought it was gonna be manageable
uncut notch
Don’t panic when all the mobs come up, just stack up and keep block up and spam revenge
Rally helps a lot here
ebon geyser
I feel too squishy
uncut notch
Shield wall it then I guess
ebon geyser
Is like I'm butter and mobs are hot knife
I'll try again today
I wanna get some tier but nothing
At least I can save charges and craft it in like a month
If I can stack charges
Since I don't have the currency
chrome falcon
Anduin should do 0 damage since it’s all autos
Just maintain block uptime when you’re tanking and you’ll be fine
west walrus
<@238357283996696576> imagine
Tag into 21+, you will be less declined 
worthy haven
Hey are there times when likw
You just don't have buttons to push
Or am I fucking something yp
west walrus
When I have nothing to press is when I am waiting for SS. More likely I did something bad
radiant magnet
Nothing to press means you're out of rage. Should almost never happen w/ reprisal. Intervene out, charge back.
uncut notch
When I have nothing to press is when I am waiting for SS. More likely I did some...
Yeah happens all the time, leap out charge in, sorted
radiant magnet
Folks will give you a more detailed analysis if you post key logs, but our rage generation is superb when playing correctly. Should almost always have something to press in my experience.
polar shale
Why is it that the top prots on raider.io play with heavy repercussions while having 4 pcee?
I thought that constantly having avatar through anger managment would get more value out of the set
strong forum
You do get more value out of the set
median tulip
Why is it that the top prots on raider.io play with heavy repercussions while ha...
b ecause they are playing at a level where if you don't block, you are dead
hard vessel
If you wanna face tank for 45sek or 1 min in high keys you need the block time
strong forum
I don't recommend anybody playing HR with 4pc until you know better
polar shale
b ecause they are playing at a level where if you don't block, you are dead
yeah, i was thinking this might be the reason
Thanks guys
hard vessel
But even in 22 or 23 you insta dead if you don't block
polar shale
Are they going necro now? haha I knew it! 4pce necro would be nuts. Now I need to get my other 3 pieces pepega
strong forum
But even in 22 or 23 you insta dead if you don't block
Na
hard vessel
Hmm im pretty sure I got globaled the one time I fucked up shield block, but maybe depends on the pull
polar shale
I know I feel im wearing cloth if shieldblock is not up
hard vessel
Just press alt f4 and say it's internet issues
strong forum
If pwar gets globalled in those levels how the fuck don't pally get globalled when they have only a little bit more armor with sotr up and can't guarantee block at all, or bdk
Or any tank really
polar shale
They're also using booming voice instead of best served cold despite having the charge/intervene leggo. Any specific reason
strong forum
More rage
polar shale
hmmm
strong forum
= easier time to keep up Banner
It's barely a dps loss as necro to play BV in multi target
polar shale
well I personally haven't had an issue to keep up banner up to 1:15 mins or so and I spam ignore pain a lot
strong forum
That's about as far as you can go without tier
polar shale
now I am ofc not saying i know better lol. is just i never had an issue with it
hard vessel
So if we go avatar with 4pc do you guys kite the shield block downtime or do you would press shield wall?
strong forum
Given that SW is only like 1min CD
You should use it often
Now throw urh into the mix, and you can get it even more often
polar shale
how come SW is 1 min cd lol
strong forum
Lotsa rage
polar shale
specially if you dont run avatar in high keys
median tulip
how come SW is 1 min cd lol
Spend. More. Rage.
polar shale
I mean, anger managment
hard vessel
This is my thought ye, still don't have 2 pc so I'm still on the no anger management train
strong forum
Oh lol
craggy pilot
This is my thought ye, still don't have 2 pc so I'm still on the no anger manage...
🤔
strong forum
I went from 40% banner uptime to 60-70% banner uptime in the key I ran
hard vessel
I like having shield block always
median tulip
Blizz should really baseline AM
strong forum
And it doubled my rage gen
polar shale
I'm confused. How do you get short Shield Wall cd besides URH?
strong forum
And tripled my IP use
craggy pilot
I like having shield block always
make reprisal then
strong forum
I'm confused. How do you get short Shield Wall cd besides URH?
anger management
Nobody said anything about using HR
polar shale
hard vessel
make reprisal then
Ye but no tier there is no reason to go AM until 4 pc
craggy pilot
anger managetment is the only train
polar shale
KEKW
craggy pilot
if you wanna be bored as fk then ye 😄
strong forum
I've never played HR in my life
craggy pilot
if you wanna be chad, get a Prot warr 💪
hard vessel
Last patch everybody played the shield block talent last row, if you have no tier yet its basically the same
oblique garnet
why wouldnt you play am on prot in higher keys 🤔
craggy pilot
Last patch everybody played the shield block talent last row, if you have no tie...
what? no way bro
everyone used AM last season
oblique garnet
in high keys people played hr last season
polar shale
The other tank that I am looking at is BrewMaster, looks fun af
strong forum
Only for ultra pushing you played HR
oblique garnet
this season im like 99% sure you just go am
hard vessel
this season im like 99% sure you just go am
And with no set? Until then hr or not?
oblique garnet
in high keys?
craggy pilot
HR should be a choice, when you are doing 25s and cant surv with AM
dusky canopy
With how much rage spent now yeah I would think AM would be default?
hard vessel
22 and 23 rügt now
strong forum
AM is the default.
hard vessel
Not not super high
craggy pilot
there no thing such as "tier = AM no tier = HR" its just always AM
oblique garnet
cant be 100% sure because some streamer is probably gonna play hr and then we get asked if its the play
distant crystal
When people say "looking at raider.io" it usually means the tippy top runs
makes sense you'd see higher HR usage there
craggy pilot
When people say "looking at raider.io" it usually means the tippy top runs
raider.io is not very consistent, since the talents and whatnot might be from different content
need to look at warcraftlogs or subcreation to get a better overview
strong forum
99% of all cases you should run AM
If you're doing 23rn without tier, for god knows what reason, HR is fine to play from a defensive standpoint
distant crystal
you get to see accurate info
dusky canopy
I can understand why they run HR since the 4pc wants us to SS as much as possible so it has some synergy
strong forum
People have been pushing 25s with AM and 2pc BTW
So it's not mandatory at all to run HR.
HR just makes block management alot easier
But it's not as simple to say as "it's better"
hard vessel
K I will try this next week on tyran
polar shale
polar shale
Unless that tool is just buggy or inaccurate
hard vessel
I'm just so hardcore used to HR its just easier by far
distant crystal
it mighht not even be what's best for that run lol
strong forum
I wouldn't ever play HR
distant crystal
ppl are gonna have comfort picks, nobody wants to be the tankdeath that scuffs the run
strong forum
Cuz I don't do 25+
And even if I did, I'd prolly still play AM
Cuz the synergy is just too strong
Imagine going from 70% avatar uptime down to 30%
Because you can't manage your block properly
dusky canopy
Even in the small “High keys” I did in s2 20-21s I didn’t run hr once
distant crystal
I ran HR for all of last season
dusky canopy
I even spent most of them with seismic and managed
distant crystal
but my peak ilvl last season was 238
hard vessel
ppl are gonna have comfort picks, nobody wants to be the tankdeath that scuffs t...
Just blame dps for not kicking aways works
polar shale
Bring back BFA prot
jagged pier
no
west walrus
Bring back BFA prot
No
median tulip
I enjoyed BfA prot, but this tier prot is (finally) getting back to being as fun. S1 & 2 was not, however
dusky canopy
I don’t mean it as an insult but just stating that HR incentives bad shield block usage because it acts as a crutch it’s better to try and train yourself to have good block uptime without and then when you get to a key level where you cannot live outside of shield block then you switch to it
west walrus
I just wish we keep reprisal baseline 
jagged pier
no
craggy pilot
only reason to really play HR is when you are getting 90% attacks blocked in a dung, and getting 1 shot by 1 unblocked attack
hard vessel
I just wish we keep reprisal baseline <:sadge:820202363359854633>
Pls yes
craggy pilot
I just wish we keep reprisal baseline <:sadge:820202363359854633>
its a weird way of fixing our broken SB uptime...
dusky canopy
God I hope not I’ll be happy to get away from the reprisal play style myself
craggy pilot
it makes us use Intervene on CD, and not for the actual helpful utility it brings, just as a 2nd SB CD
west walrus
It's not about SB uptime, it's about a fun way to get more rage and more 
craggy pilot
if its only tied to Charge maybe, intervene is a weird thing to put in there
or tie it to Charge + Heroic Leap
hard vessel
God I hope not I’ll be happy to get away from the reprisal play style myself
Maybe remove the shield block CD, this would be fun
strong forum
I don't mind reprisal, but I'm fully against them creating artificial block downtime to then fix it with borrowed power 1 or 2 major patch later
It's so dumb
Tanks without 100% uptime on mitigation suck
dusky canopy
I’m of the opinion that thunderclap boy in bfa was the “most fun” obviously subjective id like to go back to that
west walrus
I liked Cata and Legion prot warr,
strong forum
Yet they create 3 of them at the time with downtime
Vdh, pally (early on) and pwar
Pally fixed it naturally with haste
Vdh is still fucked
Pwar bainaid fixed with legendary
craggy pilot
do druids have perma uptime or barkskin or what?
strong forum
Perma uptime on IF
craggy pilot
or what is their mitigation?
strong forum
Which is their AM
craggy pilot
Ironfur ah
dusky canopy
It would be nice if they’d allow for 100% blockuptime without a bowered power, it would require good play ofc but yeah
hard vessel
Ironfur is ass tho
deft hinge
bear with their 2x shieldwall. bah
craggy pilot
how should they fix it? 6 sec duration 6 sec CD sounds kinda boring NGL
polar shale
too bad for you, it was fun af
deft hinge
from vanilla to now, Bfa was the greatest feeling
strong forum
Ironfur is ass tho
Doesnt matter if its ass, their other mitigation tools are their mastery, FR and SI
west walrus
I did not like it
lofty widget
spamming TC every other global... not very fun
strong forum
And in aoe bear has infinite stacks of IF
Bfa was great design wise
It rewarded playing well because it allowed you to have 100% block uptime
Which we should have all the time, play well, have high block uptime and high dmg output
That's how all the tanks should be designed
deft hinge
i agree
polar shale
I just liked random avatar procs :pepega
craggy pilot
It rewarded playing well because it allowed you to have 100% block uptime
how did you get more SB uptime then?
lofty widget
you had AM reducing LS cd and you could run bolster as well
craggy pilot
but honestly HR baseline would probably be better than Reprisal baseline
lofty widget
so basicall SB>SB>LS>SB something like that
craggy pilot
you had AM reducing LS cd and you could run bolster as well
oh 🤔
deft hinge
and RANGED block, wohootzie!
polar shale
make dragon charge baseline
lofty widget
its fun in pvp
hard vessel
No give prot warriors bloodlust
strong forum
It sends you a fixed distance and bonks mobs in all directions
craggy pilot
strong forum
And costs a charge.
craggy pilot
found old video of the talent tree 😄
deft hinge
HR baseline prot, put in something else there instead.
polar shale
Imma just wait for BFA classic
strong forum
As I've said on the podcast that's releasing
Either Remove all block talents
Or make last row full of block talents
Don't make me choose between block and no block
strong forum
Tbd
craggy pilot
AM+HR baseline 😄
lofty widget
and revert it to bfa AM while theyre at it as well
deft hinge
and revert it to bfa AM while theyre at it as well
👍
craggy pilot
was indomitable the same in BFA as it is now? or was it worse?
just thinking current Bolster vs current Indomitable, if it was in same row?
polar shale
im guessing the ignore pain conduit is doo doo right/
jagged pier
yep
craggy pilot
im guessing the ignore pain conduit is doo doo right/
its not the worst, but its not the best
deft hinge
only affects ur current IP, which is gone in a sec anyway
craggy pilot
just get Uinnerving Focus+Stalwart Guardian, and pick any of the last as long as you dont pick Indelible Victory
craggy pilot
It's the 4th best or 3rd worst
🤔 do you rank it higher than Fueled?
oh maybe because of the tier?
strong forum
Yes
polar shale
dude
strong forum
I'd rank them equally bad
craggy pilot
😄
lofty widget
we're never running more than 3 endurance conduits anyway so anything below condensed shouldnt even be considered
polar shale
why does prot have deep wounds? it doesn't make any sense to me
polar shale
I know
craggy pilot
we're never running more than 3 endurance conduits anyway so anything below cond...
i have 4 endurance 🤔
polar shale
still doesn't make any sense to me
craggy pilot
mikanikos you almost cant get less than 4 endurance for M+
oh wait nvm im dumb and blind
i have 3
but honestly 4 if i would play the correct route 🤣
i stand my point
strong forum
Ima just stick with necro now
jagged pier
no there is no wrong or right route for mic
strong forum
Niesen defo blind
deft hinge
😄
strong forum
But you're already playing the correct one
Retrofitting is so good
Like actually nuts
lofty widget
shield>some small st dmg gain
west walrus
I would just completely remove talents
strong forum
Spectrometer is only good for pure ST dmg
Since it only works on 1 target at a time
lofty widget
maybe for kyr parsing or something? but then youd run 2/3 dmg conduits anyway
craggy pilot
I would just completely remove talents
blizz announces talents removed
lofty widget
so you wouldnt have 4 endurance in that case
craggy pilot
but we get this instead:
hard vessel
Pls no
craggy pilot
This tree isn't that complex
🤣
strong forum
It rly isn't...
craggy pilot
nome pathofexile gamer confirmed
strong forum
I've played for like 3 leagues
But it's essentially classic talent tree
"here get this +3% of garbage"
"here get +10 Str"
west walrus
Easy to understand, hard to master
strong forum
They could remove 80% of the tree and skill points
And it would have the same outcome
deft hinge
i cant play PoE, i only go for tankyness. my friends angry at me doing no dmg just walking around making noise
strong forum
Most of the time it's just alot of pathing of mainstat nodes to get to where you want
And +life nodes
hard vessel
Does anybody knows at how many mobs you press buffed TC instead of SS? Like 12+ mobs or all of ardenwald?
craggy pilot
give us this, instead of Rumbling Earth or Double Time 😄
craggy pilot
is Double Time ever useful if we didnt have Reprisal?
strong forum
Does anybody knows at how many mobs you press buffed TC instead of SS? Like 12+ ...
You don't
hard vessel
This sounds so confusing I don't know why
strong forum
Cuz you get alot more rage from SS
craggy pilot
guys, i fixed the tier set
hard vessel
And what's about snap threat with a 30+ mob pull? Like first pull gambit
craggy pilot
Ravager
hard vessel
Not enough against 4 set destro
craggy pilot
AOE taunt
strong forum
And thats still not enough
hard vessel
No don't invite these shitters
lofty widget
even rogue+hunter is not enough
strong forum
^
hard vessel
All survival hunters are garbage and dead whole dungeon
ebon geyser
2pc is insane for surv
I need this
lofty widget
cause its easy af to play and does insane dmg
hard vessel
Don't invite them EVER
strong forum
I need this
Just as an example
hard vessel
Does the free ip from 2 set counts as rage spend?
strong forum
lofty widget
no
craggy pilot
almost double amount, with only 40 more casts?
strong forum
Well I did get like 5more ilvl
And I took alot less dmg in the first key
Cus tyr
But it's a 27min before tier
ebon geyser
I do have a question, I have IP tracker and at times the number on it goes red is that good or bad
lofty widget
I do have a question, I have IP tracker and at times the number on it goes red i...
red means it's capped and thats fine
rather overcap IP than rage
ebon geyser
Also I'm combining ip and sb
oblique garnet
capping ip doesnt matter
hard vessel
Push higher so it can'tcap for more than a sek
hard vessel
In a big enough pull you press and it's gone in a sek
strong forum
Sure but you'll still cap quite often
hard vessel
OK that's fair
ebon geyser
I have a rage cap wa because I'm smooth brain and need something to tell me for now that I'm at rage cap
strong forum
With 2pc/4pc it's not uncommon to do more "healing" than the healer
hard vessel
Thanks for hyping me to get finally 2pc in 2 days
strong forum
I've done 5k hps and I'm only 2pc 255 ilvl
lofty widget
4.5k with 4pc 😦
strong forum
Git gud
lofty widget
gotta up my healing parses god damn
lofty widget
oh im spamming it alright, but overcapped IP doesnt count as healing does it
jagged pier
i had so much mitigation up at the start of rygelon last night i didnt even get stacks
:Yep:
was basically all IP from tier
ebon geyser
Hopefully I get some on the last 3 bosses in lfr
And also should I open my vault as prot for now?
lofty widget
probably until you get a decent shield
ebon geyser
I don't have a group for normal atm and I'm still grasping around the class so I just wanna practice before I commit to a normal group
craggy pilot
my idea of prot rework for 10.0 prepatch
this could somehow make both Slam build viable, TC build viable, and Revenge build viable
but requires a lot of number tuning probably 🙂
tropic linden
Anyone knows the HPS of Fuled by Violence on ST?
jagged pier
aweful
polar shale
guys
is there like a rare or something
where I can get a shield
above 226
I've been tanking 16s and such with this fucking toilet lid for 3 weeks now
and havent got anything
lofty widget
protector of the first ones drops a shield
chrome falcon
The first 2 bosses in the raid drop a shield assuming people do skolex second
polar shale
yeah
downed that too for 2 weeks in both normal and LFR
nothing
I'm just cursed to wear this for eternity
at this point imma just go do pvp
and get the honor one
chrome falcon
Do it on heroic too, you can just start your own group and then leave it after you’ve done vigilant+skolex
polar shale
idk if Im heroic ready
chrome falcon
Would be my advice but obviously a bit more work
chrome falcon
This apple I just finished eating is heroic ready, for vigilant guardian at least
polar shale
lmao
lofty widget
you can more or less afk kill guardian
craggy pilot
Anyone knows the HPS of Fuled by Violence on ST?
i doubt it calculates seperately on the HPS so hard to tell anyway
polar shale
I will look into that this week
is the effect from that shield good?
or is it doodoo?
lofty widget
chrome falcon
If you keep it in defence mode it’s the best shield for its ilvl defensively
Obviously worse for dps
polar shale
what does the 'offensive mode' do?
tropic linden
All i want is idom 2%, nothing more
craggy pilot
All i want is idom 2%, nothing more
🤔
strong forum
what does the 'offensive mode' do?
Nothing don't worry about it
ebon geyser
1612 
chrome falcon
23 damage reflected to melee attackers
polar shale
XD
chrome falcon
literally the worst effect i've ever seen on an item
craggy pilot
23 damage reflected to melee attackers
huge 
chrome falcon
that's at mythic ilvl btw
polar shale
XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
chrome falcon
like
polar shale
why even bother designing an effect like that
chrome falcon
it would be dogshit in actual literal classic
craggy pilot
you think rextroy will make a video oneshotting someone with it?
polar shale
these devs are such clowns
chrome falcon
the on-use to switch back to defensive mode does about 10k damage
which is fun to use as part of the 1 shot combo in pvp
lofty widget
tbf the other unique items in the raid are cool
craggy pilot
tbf the other unique items in the raid are cool
such as?
all the tanks one seem dogshit to me :<
if only we could get the Resonant Reservoir trinket as tanks
median tulip
there's only one good trinket in the whole raid
strong forum
And it has a 5min CD so it's boring
craggy pilot
there's only one good trinket in the whole raid
first sigil?
5min CD is omega boring
only kinda useful for Venthyr Palas or some shit
chrome falcon
it's boring for 4 mins and 40 seconds and then you hit 70ks for 20 seconds
lofty widget
good for parses right?
chrome falcon
very good for damage on an appropriate fight yes
craggy pilot
if only the Gavel of the First Arbiter effect was available as 1h or shield or something fun
but no, its only for BDK
median tulip
The worst raid trinket this tier is the Bells of the Endless Feast
median tulip
I swear to god, quaking always starts right as I press Fleshcraft
chrome falcon
@median tulip marileth?
median tulip
Yes
craggy pilot
tried to make my ideas into a talent tree 🤣 huge paint skills in the works here guys
median tulip
Spell lock is not crowd control in the games logic
craggy pilot
oh fuck, forgot i wanted a Spell Reflect talent somewhere 🤔
tropic linden
Rlly like the idea of a SR talent where u can spec in a heavy magic dmg DG/Boss
craggy pilot
something like "when you succesfully reflect, CD is reduced"
tropic linden
Or "DR lasts for 5sec even if reflect"
urban portal
That sounds either op or useless
craggy pilot
or something like this 😄
polar shale
so for the 4 pce when it says 200% more effective
for the thunderclap, it is only 200% more effective on damage ?
tropic linden
and slow
craggy pilot
also on rage
polar shale
or does it reduce mov speed by 90%?
tropic linden
the 10% of the talent is after the 200%
polar shale
oh ok, but it also increases the slow
craggy pilot
TC: 5 rage => 15 rage
SS: 15 rage => 45 rage
polar shale
nice
tropic linden
oh ok, but it also increases the slow
yes
ebon geyser
This is my welfare prot https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/stormrage/carlwyn
polar shale
This set is actually nice
tropic linden
It feels rlly good to play. U always have rage to spend
polar shale
unlike outlaw's 
polar shale
wait wrong discord, imma keep seething on rogue's discord
Brewmaster looks fun AF tbh
polar shale
And I would play it if I didnt have to farm conduits + leggos + renown
polar shale
at this point we shouldn't be farming anything
urban portal
Didn't they add 60 renown
lucid heron
brew in keys feels amazing - in raid it feels the same mostly: single target damage doesnt feel like a big boost especially coming off of dom shards from last tier
chrome falcon
brew is always a snoozefest
polar shale
Nothing will compare to prot war
imo
but my second in line is brewmaster definetly
I find blood dk extremely boring next to prot pal
Guardian prob kinda fun to play, idk
Oh well, maybe DH. DH looks fun too
polar shale
eh
you know what I hate healing?
a Dk
a blood dk*
I dont even heal them tbh
I just throw a renew and mending
fuck that
median tulip
Blood DK is what you play if you hate your healers and want them to die of a heart attack
polar shale
I don't any more
their fucking problem
you can't expect me
to react to your 10% hp
craggy pilot
Blood DK is what you play if you hate your healers and want them to die of a hea...
isnt BDK what you play if you want heart attack every 10 sec?
polar shale
when the next second you heal to full by yourself
craggy pilot
and your hp bar flying up and down
polar shale
hearth strike should be renamed to hearthattack strike
sick sentinel
Blood DK is what you play if you hate your healers and want them to die of a hea...
bdk and paladin healer seems to work good
polar shale
I am not looking forward into my mains tier...
sick sentinel
hpal does bops and freedums and aura mastery and shit and bdk is happy
covers alot of the weakness bdk has, paladin can also like, i dunno, hoj, and wog
modern trout
I ❤️ prot pally
sick sentinel
i played vanilla 1.0 ret paladin
so, that should explain all you need to know
i just can't stand every time i want to go to another character previous reputations and partial unlocks don't transfer over
ebon geyser
i just can't stand every time i want to go to another character previous reputat...
This hits home
I don't get why
Is 2022
Make everything account bound
And call it a day
Money,bank, rep, etc the works
distant crystal
account-wide bank would be so good
ebon geyser
Yep
distant crystal
i just want to put a bunch of flasks/armor kits/etc in one spot
ebon geyser
They do the worst QoL
median tulip
One of the funniest things in this game is watching a melee DPS player accidentally try out their damage rotation on a tanking dummy
uncut notch
One of the funniest things in this game is watching a melee DPS player accidenta...
omg yes
ebon geyser
I sit there like
https://c.tenor.com/G-ImeupyxmIAAAAM/eating-the-chip-chips.gif
ebon geyser
Warrior best class
oblique garnet
Like rooting for Arsenal
Atleast with arsenal you always know what you get
Steady 4th place finishes
chrome falcon
isn't that prot warrior for basically every patch apart from that one time in bfa
frosty ridge
first tier of legion would like a word
chilly brook
last tier of legion was also kinda nutty
brave stirrup
what is it prot needs to be nutty again? what are they missing? asking from a nubs perspective
blazing condor
group utility and damage would help but i feel like pwarrs biggest weakness rn is just the community's perception of them
oblique garnet
what is it prot needs to be nutty again? what are they missing? asking from a nu...
Nothing
Literally
Prot is actually sleeper atm
chrome falcon
just make all our spells do 2x damage or something
radiant magnet
agreed. we dont have an issue. community has a FOTM issue. early personalities declared pwar as weak, they were wrong, but people are still clicking those vids
chrome falcon
honestly in terms of survivability almost every tank can handle the hardest content
urban portal
what is it prot needs to be nutty again? what are they missing? asking from a nu...
5% on shield slam
amber herald
something to move mobs
chrome falcon
it's just a damage thing with like bdk
urban portal
A little bit of aoe scaling like every other tank has
radiant magnet
all that being said though, we're seen as underdogs - so act weak til we get those buffs
chrome falcon
but i agree with late i don't think we justify a buff at all rn
west walrus
Its a commitment
Amen
radiant magnet
We dont actually need a buff to be viable. A buff might adjust the community perception though. Last round of buffs we had everyone asking if pwar was fixed now.
brave stirrup
so ive seen bdk with 4pc dmg be around 12k dps or even 14k....where does prot usually sit with 4pc damage wise
urban portal
all that being said though, we're seen as underdogs - so act weak til we get tho...
+1
Bitch harder
Like voomies and warlocks
urban portal
so ive seen bdk with 4pc dmg be around 12k dps or even 14k....where does prot us...
Much less because we don't abuse the jailor weapon
brave stirrup
ok maybe bad comparison, what about compard to brew? like where is our dmg at number wise if played well and have 4pc
craggy pilot
is keg smash aoe?
radiant magnet
yes
craggy pilot
the tier set sounds kinda boring tho
50% more dmg on an ability?
no CDR or anything
craggy pilot
just more dmg and healing
radiant magnet
doesnt really change playstyle
craggy pilot
doesnt really change playstyle
exactly my point
urban portal
If you keg smash like 6 people you get like 10k hp
And max HP so you don't get bursted
modern trout
Its a commitment
You have to be really tough to play prot right now
brave stirrup
anyone see BDK damage getting tuned downward?
modern trout
Snooze fest & weak too
modern trout
Brewmaster and prot p are way more fun
blazing condor
also i dont do 25+ keys or rwf so i dont feel weak in any way 🤷♂️
modern trout
Bfa prot was fun
chilly brook
Snooze fest & weak too
???