protection

[strong forum]

vs 100 haste

[urban portal]

the haste breaks even at like, 60 seconds in combat

if you are constantly dropping stacks then its not good

need to gogogo

[strong forum]

259 ows grants a total of 225 haste, soleah is at 110 iirc

[urban portal]

i have 246

sorry 40 seconds in combat

ssince you get your fist stack immediately

so you get around 120 haste from a 246 ows at 40 seconds in

[chrome falcon]

SST might be better in spires or something

[urban portal]

your average stacks needs to be like 2-2.5 for it to be just as good

[chrome falcon]

Where your stacks are resetting every 3 packs no matter what

Actually with 20 seconds you might not even need to drop I dunno stopped wearing mine a while ago

[neat harbor]

A DK just did 400k dmg with Abom's limb in a 30 second solo shuffle game

just abom's limb, no other spells

🤣

[strong forum]

[neat harbor]

wait that was his total damage, Im retarded

reading is hard for me sometimes

[jagged pier]

:winde:

[waxen orbit]

Thanks this gave me a much needed laugh

[real fossil]

how close are brutal vitality and condensed anima sphere for m+? I've been running anima sphere

[waxen orbit]

Never run Brutal Vitality

Not worth

[neat harbor]

Unless youre doing solo shuffle, then it owns 😮

[waxen orbit]

Defensive conduits ranked:

1. Unnerving Focus
2. Stalwart Guardian
3. Condensed Anima Sphere

[neat harbor]

cause noone attacks you, CAS is all overhealing and IP is your #1 healing ability

[waxen orbit]

3 is the maximum amount of defensive conduits you should have on at any given time tbh

[jagged pier]

no its unvering stalwart

condensed

[real fossil]

triple defensive mikanos ftw

[waxen orbit]

Mb mixed that order up

Thought I ordered it that way

[craggy pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LxDhv4aMAtkf6y2j/

rip 400 rage wasted 😦

[vale bough]

I am looking for 2 more Prot warriors with 4 set to play some arena. Message me pls 😄

[lyric geode]

Omg you saw the protection shield slam meta?

50k? My pp is hard

[chrome falcon]

that's a lot of battle shout casts

50k? l2p

66k my max so far

[lyric geode]

Pp is even harder then.

I hope they dont nerf it.

[chrome falcon]

they will

[lyric geode]

My question is this. How much they scream when you oneshot them.

??

I would play solo arenas on rating if I had 4 tier piece set.

[vale bough]

I did 80k with shield slam

playing 3s right now 😄

[waxen orbit]

Pretty busted yea

[steel mist]

guys is it worth doing lfr to get the tier pieces or will i gimp myself

[strong forum]

if it unlocks setbonuses its 100% worth

[steel mist]

well i got two pieces so far

[neat harbor]

hmm, the cypher gear damage procs only work in ZM correct?

simming it vs a piece with equal stats and ilvl gives no dps increase

[kind prairie]

So, I've been reading the guides but I gotta ask - what necrolord soulbind do yall like? (for M+)

(if you decide to go necrolrod)

[chilly brook]

Marileth

[kind prairie]

Thank ya

[chilly brook]

3p 3e

[kind prairie]

for M+? I should have specified

[chilly brook]

Yea

For both

[kind prairie]

Thanks!

What do you like as your 3rd end?

[stuck compass]

I dont have any tier but i have double leggo, and im only 248 ilevel should i wait to get 2 piece before i go necro?

[chilly brook]

The IP one

Forget the name

[kind prairie]

Thanks for the info!

[chilly brook]

The one that adds absorb to IP based on damage

I should do some logs to see the difference between that and the generic anima one that’s just a flat heal

[chilly brook]

Probably

Necro needs a lot of rage to sustain banner

[stuck compass]

OK thanks

[uncut notch]

Is punish now meta

over devestator

with 2pc

[lofty widget]

no

[uncut notch]

Punish plus Sword and Board plus 2pc means bigdam tho

[lofty widget]

oh you mean for pvp, then probably punish yeah

if youre going for those sick one shots

[dark plover]

Okay prot folks, how much dps overalls are u guys able to pull out in your average keys. None spiteful cheese

[mighty valley]

depends on a lot of things, 8k-10k

[bright dock]

Ya I'm about 8.5-10.5 at 264 equipped 4set

Pf and streets a bit on the low end of that

If going left

[chrome falcon]

12k if I try real hard

[craggy pilot]

im 9-10k on 2piece Kyrian

267 ilvl

[craggy pilot]

12k with Necro?

[steel mist]

dont you just hate when someone says streets in group finder and they trick you in a gambit...

[frozen musk]

did they nerf Shield Slam One Shot?

in pvp

i saw some stuff about it

but now its not working i think

any info ?

[shell shale]

if you shield slam insantly after avatar with 4 piece sometimes it doesnt get the 200% dmg buff. At least thats what i noticed

still gets increased rage

and consumes buff

[cinder nova]

Was working fine this morning

[grave crane]

I’m around 7.1-8.3k with 2pc 250ish ilvl and necro. Seems to be decent but trying to get bigger

[frozen musk]

i need 4 piece for woking it?

or just 2

200% is for x2

[steel mist]

why am i seeing warriors running the tazavesh trinket secret technique

isnt it shit for us

[mighty valley]

soleah's? it's just a stat trinket, it's ok

or if you mean codex, it's very good defensively in big keys

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel wdym

all 3 pillars advance by 1 every time he casts it

[low kindle]

the cd on creation catalyst, is it acc wide or character bound?

[chrome falcon]

character

[sacred timber]

Why on god's green earth am I losing aggro, doing 10.4k dps....?

[mighty valley]

probably DH burst?

[distant crystal]

dh and fury kek

[mighty valley]

yeah both those classes need to chill for a few before popping off

[sacred timber]

I always ask, but no one ever listens

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/uXxh.gif

[sacred timber]

then I have to panic to regain threat

also wicked bolts hurt when no one interrupts;-;

[pliant sage]

Assuming the mobs aren't immune, maybe Shockwave will help you get those globals in for threat gen?

[sacred timber]

108 isn't enough

[fallow beacon]

wondering if anyone has experience/knowledge with macros that could tell me if this is possible

I currently have a macro for all my covenant abilities as warrior. What I would like to do is adjust the macro so that when i am necrolord, when i use banner i also use last stand at the same time, but when i am of a different covenant it just uses the other covenant abilities without last stand. I know there are macro options that work like this except its based on spec instead of covenant. Is there a function or string I can use to limit a spell being used based on covenant or nah?

[chrome falcon]

i know this isn't what you're actually asking for but you might not even want that macro in the first place

[fallow beacon]

oh i know, but there are definitely fights that ive got cds planned out and definitely dont need the LS at any point so id rather just macro it in

id have it on a seperate button anyway

be useful to know either way as there are some alts i play where a similiar thing would be good to know from a macro point of view

[sand pebble]

I use that macro and added rek for when im fury and ut works fine on all covs and when not fury but if you put ls in there it will use it every time in any cov while prot

[fallow beacon]

yeah thats what im trying to avoid

[sand pebble]

There is no way to make a macro think

[chrome falcon]

yeah i'm not super sure if that's something you can do but if you ask in the UI channel they might know

[fallow beacon]

will do 👍

[cunning sluice]

Is the Thunderlords play style from season 1 still viable ? I haven't played Prot warrior, but played Arms up until this point. I don't plan on pushing keys to like 20+ etc.

[chrome falcon]

um

[sand pebble]

Reprisal is just so good with the increased rage from charge and the free shield block is better than any other leggo

[chrome falcon]

i don't know anything about thunderlords in season 1 but

reprisal is like 100x better than every other legendary

[mellow bridge]

Thunderlords has always sucked

[chrome falcon]

if you;re doing low keys and just want to bad play seismic but reprisal is much better defensively

[mellow bridge]

And will always suck

[chrome falcon]

yeah i was gonna say

i didn't play prot in season 1

but... what thunderlords playstyle

[mellow bridge]

As matt said

For any serious key you'll play reprisal

[cunning sluice]

Gotcha

[mellow bridge]

If you want to have fun in low keys you can do seismic

And wall is a good option for some raid fights

Those 3 legendaries are all of your choices

[sand pebble]

Nah leave siesmic and have fun in low keys with leaper

[cunning sluice]

🤣

Sounds like a good time :D

Nah I was just wondering. Because at one point you took all the thunderclap talents, booming voice damage talent, and the Thunderlords leggo. But I guess if reprisal and best served cold is a lot better I will go that.

[chrome falcon]

i'm 99% sure whoever told you that was trolling you

but like i said i didn't play pwar in season 1

[sand pebble]

That was legion blizz broke that in bfa and the s1 version was never really a thing

[mellow bridge]

People who played that in sl

Just weren't able to move on from bfa and accept their losses lmfao

[chrome falcon]

thunderlords will never be remotely viable as a legendary because DS is on the GCD

[sand pebble]

Yeah we played the wall and then blizz buffed reprisal

[cunning sluice]

Gotcha well I appreciate the constructive insight. I guess I will just go reprisal since I already have it.

Thank you all for your time

[chrome falcon]

yep even level 0 reprisal use where you just charge the pack and use intervene on a melee on CD will be better than every other option

holy shit man playing this pvp build without devastator is actually disgusting

sitting there for 7.2 seconds spamming revenge and getting 0 resets while i sit on an outburst 1 shot

[shell shale]

is it ever worth spending tier proc on thunderclap?

[kind prairie]

Just did a ToP at 7.1k, 2pc and 255. Necrolord. Getting there...

[chrome falcon]

no chady

[urban portal]

Try not to

[shell shale]

I figured it wasnt. Just thought id double check

[kind prairie]

Is that because of rage gen?

from the ss?

[chrome falcon]

yes

[kind prairie]

thanks matt

[chrome falcon]

the only time you'd ever TC is if you had 0 other damage and needed snap threat

[kind prairie]

That makes sense. I had a TC hit for 18k today.

(thats high for me) heh

[median tulip]

The Tier bonus does not multiply the legendary bonus from Thunderlord, so no. Literally the first thing I tested once I had 2pc.

Oh I was scrolled up, my bad

[chrome falcon]

even if it did

DS on GCD is just way too depressing to be worth spamming

[median tulip]

Honestly, if it did then Thunderlord would at least provide some benefit; you could have a pretty high uptime on the 25% DR. It wouldn't challenge Reprisal, but there would at least be a use-case (heavy magic damage). But it doesn't, so there isn't.

[dapper coral]

Anyone know how to prevent the Streets Oasis bug? I had it happen twice today

[median tulip]

Don't be in combat

Just kill the adds before you go in and it won't occur

[real thunder]

Is it still the case that a 252 ShardOfAnnAegis is better than a 272 BloodSplatteredScale?

for M+

[chrome falcon]

yes

[real thunder]

makes me sad, thanks

[chilly brook]

It's doable

[chrome falcon]

if you try real hard

and your group is good

[chilly brook]

[chrome falcon]

still rocking a 272 after 3 dausegne and 3 xymox kills

gz though

[waxen orbit]

I am no longer imprisoned by RNG jail

I'm in 10.0 waiting room

[chrome falcon]

no weapon no sack no phial no condex

[waxen orbit]

Can't say that the four dogshit pass vaults in a row weren't motivation to unsub

[chilly brook]

RIP

[waxen orbit]

Got my 100s, got my Tormented Hero

I'm passed out for the expac g

Might return casually later in this patch though

Prot warr is genuinely fun so I'd consider it

[sick sentinel]

Hey guys I’m thinking about dabbling prot warrior and I’m just wondering what uptime % of shield block and ip should I be aiming for?

[limpid pawn]

you want like probably 70%+ minimum

[jagged pier]

uptime is irrelavent

u need to log your dungeon and look at blocked hits were u should be at 80% minimum

[limpid pawn]

so is necro anger management the way to go?

[jagged pier]

AM has always been the way to go

and u can be anything but condemn

[limpid pawn]

necro compared to kyrian tho

[jagged pier]

preference

[lyric geode]

Protection venthyr is like off meta of the off meta.

[neat harbor]

Mmmm, indomitable healing pretty stronk now

kinda nice

heals for more than IP even after IP buff

[jagged pier]

It did before, but i can tell u at right its does not anymore with how much u should be pressing IP with tier set

Just to dump the rage

[neat harbor]

Yeah Im a redheaded tierless pleb atm

life hard

just came back from 9.0 a week ago

kind of odd they didnt make the soulbinds catchup oriented, Ive spent half my play sessions doing campaigns just to unlock them

gave the renown 40 BoA, but didnt include the soulbinds...

🤦‍♂️

not to mention half a million gold for 291 leggos on 2 chars + multispec

kinda ruff

not to mention my whole mythic guild xferred horde

but, ce la vie

[blazing condor]

Rip

[neat harbor]

nothing like coming back after a year break being guildless due to mass exodus

[glacial skiff]

Using spear is it better to place ravager first if you don’t need burst threat to not waste CD’s during spear’s duration for crits?

[cunning smelt]

when I look at logs of m+ dungeons I see the prot warriors getting like ~70%+ uptime on banner but when I look at the uptime on the dps its only like 8-9% uptime for the entire dungeon. Does only the warrior get the extra uptime from glory?

[sweet summit]

ya ravager first

[blazing condor]

you always wanna pre-ravager first into packs and pulls because it takes a second before it "ticks"

[sweet summit]

only on the caster

[blazing condor]

so you can ravager into charge then spear

and they pop kinda at the same time

[cunning smelt]

I'm looking at this particular run https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BvmA8fW3LPxC4YwD#fight=25&type=auras&source=512

and all the dps are around 8%

This is the same for all dps on all logs that I look at

[sweet summit]

yes
the caster of banner gets direct value from glory with the extension
the allies buffed only get the 15 seconds

2 different spell IDs for banner, one for the caster one for the allies

[cunning smelt]

I see - cheers 🙂

[sweet summit]

if it extended on the allies hit it would be beyond over powered

i wish man

[sand orbit]

wich talent is better for a garbage tank like me on the 6th line ?

[jagged pier]

AM

[sand orbit]

6th, not 7th :p

[jagged pier]

rav for dungeons itf for raid

[sand orbit]

thanks 🙂

so that ?

[sweet summit]

3-x-2-x-2-3-1

[glacial skiff]

Does HR gain value if you’re not blocking at least 80% of melees in a key? I feel like sometimes I just can’t do anything to not take hits to the face

[sand orbit]

and have a question on stat

[glacial skiff]

Haste/vers always my dude

[glacial skiff]

Though don’t drop ILVL or sockets for either

[sweet summit]

i don't think HR has any place to be played with tier period

[sand orbit]

we have a cap haste or not ?

[lyric geode]

I think AM synergies well with tier sets and with necrolord.

[glacial skiff]

Yeah, I don’t think HR benefits tier at all since you don’t create a loop to quickly gain avatar back

I just don’t know how to increase my SR uptime

[sand orbit]

like 30% hast and 20% versa is good ?

[lyric geode]

Yy

Still, a bit of critical is always good for tank dmg.

[glacial skiff]

The more haste/vers the better, but again don’t drop item level or sockets for it

[sweet summit]

the only haste "cap" we have is 40% without buffs
but that's because of the diminishing returns

just keep doing ilvl>haste>vers

[lyric geode]

I would sacrifice a bit of versa for critical.

[glacial skiff]

General rule of thumb for most tanks is

1. ILVL
2. Sockets
3. Stats (for prot it’s haste then vers)

[lyric geode]

8-10% critical is good

[glacial skiff]

40% shouldn’t even be reachable with current gear/tier etc should it?

[lyric geode]

No, 40% it isnt.

[sweet summit]

stat 👏 % 👏 don't 👏 matter 👏

well they do, but they don't have as much of an impact as you might think

[lyric geode]

Well, being from 5% critical to 10% it means it doubles your current chances to critical.

And with kyrian, critical gains extra value in opening periods.

[blazing condor]

at the same time you gain like 2 more strength and that crit% doesnt matter

[lament musk]

but how much haste % do i need to play shield warrior

ergaW please help

[sweet summit]

at least 1% but not more than 400%

[lament musk]

ok thank you i will play prot from now

as long as i remain between 1 and 400% haste

[sweet summit]

once you reach above 400% haste you ascend

[west walrus]

400 is the limit ? maybe I should lower it a bit

[sweet summit]

[lyric geode]

I remember a day when Plkatv, recommended Seismic Reverberation on 9.05. Is it viable in high keys?

[sweet summit]

seismic is amazing if you can live without reprisal

it is so much damage

[blazing condor]

he would p much only use it in Mists

cus it allowed for seismic very well

[jagged pier]

not if u forget to change to bsc

[sweet summit]

still a lot more

[jagged pier]

around 1k

[lyric geode]

Seems legit.

[west walrus]

Forgot to post my best spear usage

SD, central ring

[sweet summit]

solid

[jagged pier]

but also kyrian

ew

[west walrus]

It was last necrotic week

[median tulip]

Had a thing the other day where I and my Fury friend managed to both spear the same mobs, but off-centre from each other. So the two spears proceeded to rubberband the mobs back and forth for the duration

[west walrus]

Yeah, funny to see. Works in PvP too

Wait! Now Blizzard will nerf it

[lyric geode]

Teach me how to ignore pain in real life.

[lilac bloom]

my guild is progressing to lihuvian? theres this tank combo which i just taunt when dbm tells but doesnt tells me everything like during the tank combo the resonance it doesnt say kinetic or sunder.. how do i know when either comes up? All i see is resonance was casted

[jagged pier]

one tank can legit just solo it

[west walrus]

Taunt during the cast

[lyric geode]

Does bigwig/dbm make us lazy?

I remember the good old days when aggroing and taunting was hard.

And the tank swaps wasn't that mechanically braindead.

[jagged pier]

never was hard

[lyric geode]

In vanilla, protection paladins didnt had taunt.

[dawn canyon]

vanilla is a bit long ago

game changes over the years

[lyric geode]

True.

Well, i dont want to be a bitch but i miss skittish.

[west walrus]

I just press my buttons.
Oh wait! That sounds weird

[lyric geode]

Hahahaha

[neon vigil]

hi all warriors, i wanted to ask is it possible to make a macro that combines demoralizing shot and ravager?

[dawn canyon]

sounds like a bad idea

also both are on global so you cant (iirc)

[sand orbit]

Like phils tell y, I think is not worth and obvsiously you can't by the gcd

[blazing condor]

skittish was a non affix

but its also a weird affix to have

imagine something for other roles

"hardened" - your damaging abilities do 10% less damage

fun

[dawn canyon]

[lyric geode]

Guys, I was commented on a 18 key on SoA how rare my kind is. I feel honestly awkward at first, but later I feel proud of myself.

[dawn canyon]

keep repping the prot 🤝

[uncut notch]

Coming back to this

Sofo has a lot of fights that play like an m+

Vigi, artificer, lihuvim, anduin

Ravager for those is big numbers

ESP since ITF is capped at 5

[uncut notch]

My fav of these is “prot warrior is actually trash but somehow you make it work”

[lyric geode]

My favorite answer is this "I dont understand how you had higher HPS as me (healer) even though you play protection warrior". I had 5k hps, he had 4.5k

[trim bay]

for jailer is the strat to take the entire 4 phase combo

or taunt after persecution

[west walrus]

When you fail a cut, you take insta aggro

I just saw that Kevin wears a cake hat

[jagged pier]

No

Its not about that its u can keep itf up 100% of the time at 5 stacks in raid

Far more benfical than rav every 45 seconds

In dungeons u dont not get 5 stack itf 100% of the time

And every single 1 of those fights the most inportant parts are all ST damage where ITF is far better

[craggy pilot]

can you keep ITF 5 stack up 100% of the time on Skolex fx? 🤔

[west walrus]

Per TC

[jagged pier]

depends on the fight

[craggy pilot]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jLkdTFhNK413yfZm/
you can check my recent normal reclear, im fairly new raid tank, only rly tank a lot of M+

and i have 2 set

avg is 60% :S

70% on skolex

80% on dasausage ❤️

85% on rygelon 😮

[lofty widget]

should be 95-100 % with 4pc

[craggy pilot]

i feel like i get hit very hard by high movement fights

looking at my log, some of the fights i am below 50% uptime with 2p

[dry edge]

How tf do i get aggro as necro prot

Feels impossible

[odd tree]

Smash revenge

[dry edge]

well when lock is doing 150k

Just feels impossible

[odd tree]

Oh, good luck with that

[lofty widget]

then you aoe taunt

[dry edge]

On every pull in gambit? xd

[lofty widget]

or tell them to wait 2-3 globals

[dry edge]

I did but i loose aggro like 10 globals in

[radiant magnet]

If he's legit pulling 150k every pack, then the answer is you dont. You cant. He should know that. Hold the largest or heaviest hitting targets. The rest should melt anyway. If he dies, it's his choice tbh.

[median tulip]

Death is the game's way of telling burst DPS to back the fuck off

[lofty widget]

well in the case of warlocks their threat is spread out on quite a few targets so the threat he generates should be considerably lower

[strong forum]

And tanks are soft capped to 5 targets

So your threat isn't spread evenly

Every single tank in the game has threat issues vs warlocks(and select others)

Even with Tricks and md

Nothing you can do about it except pray

[radiant magnet]

The warlock should also be used to it. No tank is going to consistently hold threat against 150k dps.

[dawn canyon]

Pre nerfed 4p bear potentially could

But lock is just stupid

[radiant magnet]

If he's pulling off you, he's likely pulling off everyone else too. He should be conserving personals, stuns, whatever to survive that. if he's not, it's again his own fault he dies

[dawn canyon]

Correct take

Fuck em

[scarlet bluff]

It is probably not your fault, necro prot have pretty good aggro, just havoc, fury warr, etc who are to eager to dps early

[glacial skiff]

Which necro soulbind is supposed to be better for M+?

[strong forum]

both marge and homer are great

[hollow hill]

Where do you view banner uptime in the logs?

[craggy pilot]

under casts

or under buffs

both work

[uncut notch]

I had 90 seconds on the opener of a top 16

and think thats my best yet

[hollow hill]

Ah I see it now thanks!

[craggy pilot]

i had 3min 30 on Rygelon 😄

[uncut notch]

im super super new to necro so still trying to figure it out

[uncut notch]

bruh how

[craggy pilot]

oh i only really run it in Raid

[uncut notch]

once ravager and last stand are gone

i strugg

[craggy pilot]

not using Rav in raid

2p, Avatar, BV

a lot of rage

and i use Last stand in my opener for even more rage spam

[uncut notch]

my DTPS is going way up lately in line with the harder keys i guess, but my EHRPS has never been lower, sub 2k regularly now

[vernal vale]

Man its "fun" to get denied to dungeons by people with lower rating because and I quote.

"You have to have tier to do these"

I'm only trying to spam out 15s for my vault

[uncut notch]

Gdruid in my guild is waiting till he gets 4pc to do 15s

makes me laugh honestly

[radiant magnet]

I mean, if you did get into that group - it would probably be bad anyway

[vernal vale]

It would be bad based on that but people are requiring way to much for basic 15s

[uncut notch]

I was doing 15/16s no problem with 250 ilvl and 0pc and my gameplay was once described as

[craggy pilot]

hahahahaha

i hope you have that as a screensaver ❤️

[chilly brook]

Y I K E S

[chilly brook]

Number 1) it’s ToP

2. you gotta abuse the crap out of your charge and intervene

3. press shield slam like your life depends on it

4. giga make sure you’re not overcapping rage

[uncut notch]

This is STILL mega my problem

[craggy pilot]

anyone have a good shield/wep transmog suggestion for this chad panda set? ❤️

[uncut notch]

Even tho I’m trying so hard not to I can’t do the maths fast enough

Just practice I guess

[chilly brook]

5. you’re basically gonna start wanting to charge into the next pack before the first one even dies (less so this week since bolster)

[chrome falcon]

stop trying to do maths

just press the button

[chilly brook]

Don’t do maffs

[uncut notch]

yeah i do that and i overcap

[chilly brook]

Just figure out a threshold that works for you

[chrome falcon]

no you don't

if you were pressing the button you wouldn't be overcapping

[chilly brook]

Like there’s only a few things you need to be aware of

[uncut notch]

the big one for me is erm, empowered shield slam

the 80 rage is wild

[chilly brook]

1. last stand=tons of rage so be generous on IP

2. do I have outburst?

[uncut notch]

this too, LS and outburst and youre over 100 rage per cast

[chrome falcon]

if last stand is up

literally just brainlessly IP

i'm not kidding

[chilly brook]

Other than that 60-70 rage is when I really brainlessly hit IP

[chrome falcon]

if i have LS up i don't even think i just mash IP

[sweet summit]

if i have LS up i don't even think i just mash IP

[uncut notch]

laugh react

[sweet summit]

[chrome falcon]

not thinking is the correct way to warrior

trying to do maths is not going to go well for you

[chilly brook]

Isn’t it less?

[sweet summit]

77 i think

[chrome falcon]

it's like 70

[uncut notch]

I get 57% on a 3x rage right?

so 45 + 25

70ish

close enough

i did say my maths was bad

[chilly brook]

Isn’t shield slam 15 rage??

So wouldn’t 200% be like 45?

[uncut notch]

yeah but 200% improved is 3x

[chilly brook]

Yea

[chrome falcon]

we're talking about last stand here sir

[chilly brook]

So 45

[uncut notch]

+57%

wait no 63% i have better conduit now

[chilly brook]

Sorry this was said before last stand was even brought up

[uncut notch]

ah yeah my bad talking at cross purposes

[chilly brook]

Anyways

During last stand, general spend rage freely

Like very freely

[uncut notch]

has anyone made a fun little wa for starting a stopwatch when banner goes up

we can post screenshots as some sort of leaderboard/necrolympics

[chrome falcon]

i had 47 seconds left on a banner on one of my vigilant guardian kills so i think the leaderboards would just be 1) infinite or 2) not infinite

[craggy pilot]

yea because when you have the banner up for 2min, you can recast and just keep going 🤷‍♀️

with 4p it becomes pretty doable i reckon

[raven hatch]

anyone got a good route for streets?

[median tulip]

I can get it to last more than 2 mins with 2pc, although it's pretty close; with 4pc it'll be trivial

[median tulip]

Go left, do menagerie, hug the wall all the way around the way marketplace, don't kill anything you don't have to. Make sure you are out of combat before picking up instruments in the bar or it can bug.

Streets routing is trivial if you go left; you'll be 2% over even if nobody pulls one of the patrols by accident

(which they usually do)

[craggy pilot]

even after the revamp?

[median tulip]

Yep

[craggy pilot]

but honestly, somehow getting in a WO for the instrument maze, can save huge time

[median tulip]

I've never had it be necessary

But then I'm not really pushing massively high keys

[covert robin]

can I infinitely stack IP absorbs?

[mossy ferry]

I like going left in Streets but I'm tired of explaining the three simple things DPS need to know so now I just go right.

[covert robin]

or how exactly does overlapping IP work

[median tulip]

Stacks to a maximum value of 2* the base absorb

[raven hatch]

what do i need to know about the left route?

[covert robin]

ok ty

[median tulip]

Mostly it doesn't matter tho

[mossy ferry]

1. Move out of beams early on big guy so you don't get locked down in one.
2. Interrupt Ancient Dread.
3. Kill dogs together.

[median tulip]

4. Everyone stack together to stop the cats from jumping

[mossy ferry]

The number of people who still go HAM on one dog even after being told is far too high.

[raven hatch]

what happens if you don't kill them at the same time?

[mossy ferry]

Core Hounds have always full healed each other if you don't kill them together.

Since time immemorial.

I guess there's a lot of players these days who didn't raid Molten Core SSO it's understandable that it's not common knowledge.

[craggy pilot]

if you kill them not at the same time, you can just pull it away, and it wont respawn

they respawn only if they are near "heat"

[uncut notch]

Oh and your dps can LoS the dino charge

and it like hard cancels and does nothing for 5 seconds

really weird

[median tulip]

The Dino is kinda trivial

I usually kite it down the steps and do it with the cats TBH

[uncut notch]

and just soak the charge? interesting

im about to go into a 19 streets and there is poo in my panties

PTSD from doing the right route

[chrome falcon]

charge does like no damage

[uncut notch]

That is HORRIFIC by comparison

[median tulip]

I intervene on whoever the direhorn is going to charge

[chrome falcon]

and cats don't jump if you stand on top of them

[craggy pilot]

we talking right of left route, why not just wo skip? 🤔

you can skip the 2 overseers in the first area as well

[median tulip]

basically this plus the mailroom is all you need:

[craggy pilot]

i have this, currently no idea what to take away, since this is now 109% since the change 🤣

[median tulip]

Hmmm, Wo skipping those overseers; interesting idea

[craggy pilot]

wo skip overseers, all the way to maze, and wo skip the maze as well 😉

didnt try it yet, but im looking forward to trying it

[median tulip]

I would genuinely like to know how it goes for you

I would not do that route with PUGs though

[uncut notch]

why does your streets map look different to mine

[lofty widget]

update mdt

they chagned some packs

[uncut notch]

one sec

[craggy pilot]

packs changed on wednesday, so you need to update MDT

[uncut notch]

there it is

[median tulip]

Update your MDT, you have the pre-nerf map

[simple atlas]

how much haste is actually too much :P? feels like never

[mellow bridge]

people can jump on anything

and the dino charge will fail

always charges someone at range, so everyone else goes in melee

[craggy pilot]

what is the deal with the charge?

[blazing condor]

40% unbuffed is where youd wanna start looking at other stats

[raven hatch]

have you done the left route on 20+? @median tulip

[simple atlas]

thanks

[median tulip]

lol no

I've timed 16 tho

with like 2 and a half minutes to spare

[chrome falcon]

@raven hatch i have an it's way better

[craggy pilot]

fk yes finally got Novaburst Warplate ❤️

had to join random +14 key with 1 person, and ask him to inv only plate 😄

[tame jasper]

That's mine @uncut notch

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Updated after trash adjustments

[craggy pilot]

how big is the difference between Eternal Stats and Eternal Skirmish in ST?

simmed it and it turned out to 0.2% dps 😄

wow im farming a rare... he spawns on me while im AFK and i dont get tag 😦

someone killed him before i came back

and i didnt get loot rip me

anyone know how the Creation Catalyst will work on Wed? can we craft unlimited items?

[distant crystal]

1 per char per week at first

[chrome falcon]

it's explained in the wowhead article

[distant crystal]

but the charges will pile up if you don't use em

[craggy pilot]

ah rip

so what do we focus upgrading?

specific slots, or just whatever i have highest ilvl?

[lofty widget]

highest ilvl probably

[craggy pilot]

like i only have 278 on ring + wep

[distant crystal]

i mean first off you're gonna make yourself 4set

[lofty widget]

well highest ilvl on tier pieces

[distant crystal]

if you don't have it

[lofty widget]

i dont think tier can be made on rings etc

[distant crystal]

then you're upgrading your worst tier piece probs

you can upgrade non-tier armor pieces, not jewelry afaik

and it just turns them into the raid piece for that slot

[craggy pilot]

man im gonna pump on our wed reclear then 😄

[distant crystal]

so basically just swaps stats/mog

[craggy pilot]

i will be like 270 4p in Normal 🤣

[median tulip]

Getting 4pc first, then ilvl upgrades. Ideally ofc you would have a 278 to upgrade into, but ideally doesn't always happen

[craggy pilot]

hope i get a 278 then on wednesday 😄

[median tulip]

Is the pocket protoforge any good or should I loot spec Arms on Lihuvim to avoid it?

[strong forum]

I've only heard bad things about it

1ppm

[median tulip]

bleh 🤮

Same question, but for Pulsating Riftshard?

[strong forum]

Riftshard is literal dogwater

That one is actually trash

[median tulip]

I'm looking forward to Skolx dropping me the bells trinket for the 4th time

[grave crane]

I’ve used the protoforge and it’s not too bad honestly

[craggy pilot]

how did they not buff any of the raid tank trinkets 🤔

[strong forum]

Fun fact, they even nerfed the riftshard

And it was already bad before the nerf

[craggy pilot]

wtf 😄

[uncut notch]

Conq banner vs stasis traps

Works or nah?

[sweet summit]

no?

[strong forum]

Banner doesn't make you cc immune

It only prevents being slowed below 100%

[sweet summit]

you can reflect it

but it re-arms

so no point clearing unless you baited real poorly

[uncut notch]

even on normal?

[sweet summit]

no

sr does not get consumed

so u can clear like 3

[uncut notch]

interesting

[mighty egret]

its the little things that keep you going

[strong forum]

Ez w

[blazing condor]

imagine being told that after the key depletes

major w

[sweet summit]

W

[blazing condor]

imagine having a 5 man to push dungeons with for real

[mighty egret]

nah ez 16

wish i had push squad :c

[blazing condor]

dont we all

all these ambitions but nothing to do about them

[mighty egret]

riperroni fetuccini

[blazing condor]

mozzarella

[uncut notch]

make friends

[blazing condor]

friends are a myth

[mighty egret]

all my friends quit in SoD

:c

[blazing condor]

i have a 5 man i play with but they just aint on the same level

works fine for weeklies

but no way we'd be able to do 25+s

[mighty egret]

i feel that

[ebon geyser]

rep or wall ?

since both seem to be optimal

[strong forum]

rep

for 99% of the time

[surreal thunder]

would the slimy consumptive organ be a better "heal" trinket for prot compared to viscers of coalesced hatred?would the dps loss be worth it i mean

[strong forum]

in that very specific scenario it does more healing

but not worth the dps loss no

[dawn canyon]

Neither are very high on your priority list

[strong forum]

theyre both meh trinkets yes

[surreal thunder]

would the organ be better than the dps that viscera gives though?

[dawn canyon]

[vocal bison]

Bladedancer bis

[dawn canyon]

I dont think either of them will noticably carry your sustain

So go for the damage one

[sweet summit]

ogan gives u no damage

stamina mainstat

[strong forum]

organ does literally 0

for your dmg

[sweet summit]

ya

[strong forum]

its an actual dmg loss vs 99% of all trinkets

even vs 150ilvl trinkets

[craggy pilot]

is there any point in going to Exalted anyway?

it only gives the free rune right?

and a mount

[distant crystal]

adding Zereth Mortis to your engi wormhole

📈

[craggy pilot]

im not engi :<

[distant crystal]

disgusting

[mighty valley]

infinite rune is nice, not making me rush rep though

[craggy pilot]

21.000 rep rofl

[sweet summit]

rune

[jagged pier]

i mean i dont even go into to ZM everyday and im nearly exalted

🤷

[craggy pilot]

wtf how?

[mighty valley]

you get rep from raid too

[craggy pilot]

yea i also do raid weekly

but it doesnt rly give a lot

[sweet summit]

daily quests take 10 minutes at most

just a relaxing sweep

[distant crystal]

you mean wqs right

[craggy pilot]

yea, but Jakey said he didnt even do WQ

[distant crystal]

i only do dailies if i want to rush PwP

[craggy pilot]

like i did WQ for 2+ weeks now, and im only just hit Revered

[sweet summit]

world quests yes

i never do daily quest lol

[distant crystal]

speaking of i need to go hit it up

I mainswapped early and ended up just doing rep on my old main

but now i'm doing it on new main for rune

[mighty valley]

dunno what you

ack

dunno what you're missing, i hit revered a while back

[distant crystal]

i'm hitting revered on new main rn lol

did you miss some weeklies or something

[mighty valley]

the weekly + world boss + raid is a lot

[distant crystal]

I legit was neutral rep until the week we got double leggo

and i'm revered now

and haven't been sweatin it hard

[strong forum]

im honored now

ive done dailies 3 times

[jagged pier]

i said i didnt do them anymore

[craggy pilot]

ah 😄

i only started WQ after flying became a thing

that was the time i realized i needed Unity for Arms

then i got swapped to tank 🤣

so now i dont even need unity anyway

[median tulip]

You always need Unity

[craggy pilot]

ye but in prot the belt is ok

[fathom jetty]

anyone have suggestions on how to best manage the ring pulls in DoS? I just feel like absolute paper on those pulls. Thinking of splitting the opening pull into 2 pulls so I don't deal with 3 cultists

[sweet summit]

cultists are not dangerous

[fathom jetty]

looking over my logs, it's probably just a case of missed interrupts -- I blocked 95% of hits, but there were times I was taking 30K magic damage in the span of a second

[sweet summit]

shadowcore and bonestrike are the scary abilities

[fathom jetty]

yeah, I see some nasty bonestrike hits too, but that's just 20K. If I have 3 cultists wailing on me for 10K a pop, that's scarier than an isolated bonestrike no?

but sure, if bonestrike is scary, is there anything to be done for that?

[sweet summit]

you can just not be in melee of the solider

and you will not get hit

[mighty valley]

yeah it's a weird melee range spell, if you're walking away as they try to cast it it won't happen

[fathom jetty]

so always be moving basically?

[sweet summit]

ye kinda

[fathom jetty]

cool, definitely worth a shot

nice that I can just go in on normal and practice the first pull

[mighty valley]

also try and make sure no one's wasting interrupts on the lotus spell

[fathom jetty]

well, I wouldn't be surprised if they just aren't kicking at all. General perception is that scribes are whatever, and I'm freaking out during that pull enough that I'm not watching kicks

[mighty valley]

yeah, a lot of getting better at tanking is just getting past the freakout stage and doing all the things you know you should be doing, lol

[soft prairie]

how does the shield from Vigilant Guardian stack up against the other 278 shields?

[sweet summit]

it's the 2nd best shield defensively - only behind 285 lords shield

unless the 278 has more block than the 285

i'm not sure, haven't checked

[soft prairie]

285 shield has 2370 block, vigilant has 2257+127 (2384) from defensive

[jagged pier]

285 100% best

cause stats

[soft prairie]

yeah that makes sense

[jagged pier]

14 more block aint gunna make a difference

[soft prairie]

then this one is Bis till dreadlords for being not on the floor, thanks

[sweet summit]

ya

[ebon geyser]

when u solo tank the crab from phase 2 to dead in lfr

https://c.tenor.com/u7QyHU7EROQAAAAM/my-back-spiderman-spider-man.gif

[jagged pier]

not really its can be solo tank'd on normal without anything

[ebon geyser]

Let me have this jakey

Shit

Lol

[tawdry dirge]

on anduin is there any real reason to swap befor shadowmourne?

[strong forum]

only cuz of auto attack speed ramping

otherwise no

[tawdry dirge]

ye but we can easy take like 20 stacks on hc

[woven bear]

How does the warri 4p feel? Is it good?

[strong forum]

to quote several people
"the most fun its ever been"

[kind prairie]

ossum. I am excited.

[uncut notch]

its like

Imagine those big shield slam crits that make you giggle

but its now 40k

[chrome falcon]

i hit a 65k tonight in raid

[uncut notch]

having a lot of fun in rbg's hahaha

double procs and bam

[blazing condor]

wombo combo if you get outburst > SS > avatar > SS

[uncut notch]

there is a 1000000% chance this will get nerfed

im just deleting people

You dont even need the full rextroy setup, just banner, avatar and a few choice talents and youre banging people out

[strong forum]

Wish people banged me out

[toxic pewter]

is nerolrod or kyrian better with only 2 pc

[uncut notch]

not sure where youre from but in my country getting banged out means getting the shit kicked out of you

[toxic pewter]

also am i 'missing out' on a lot if i stay kyrian?

[strong forum]

Na you don't miss out alot, necro is just tankier and more rage gain
Kyrian is easier and better threat

[strong forum]

Banging people is usually of a different nature

[chrome falcon]

i'll take either definition i'm good either way

[waxen orbit]

Getting banged definitely doesn’t mean getting ya ass beat

Getting walked down/thrashed/jumped/slumped/folded is what I hear most

[lofty pecan]

big big Banner uptime

[uncut notch]

no no

getting banged is getting shagged

getting banged out is getting beat up

[craggy pilot]

wait so its 4 set in PvP with Punish, BV?

and Sword and Board PvP talent i guess, for the nutty crits

Banner, Demo Shout, SB, SS, Avatar, SS

maybe even an on use trinket for extra spice 🤣

[waxen orbit]

Ohhhh didn’t see the “out” in there

Okay I heard that

Nvm

[craggy pilot]

but with 4 piece casting Avatar doesnt reset SS does it?

[shell shale]

Just hope for best lol

[sweet summit]

no

[craggy pilot]

ye ok, so not rly possible to get off 2x SS

[cinder dirge]

hell ye dude. It's super hard but holy smokes this is so rewarding when you're able to have it for so long. This 22% strength is SO NICE

[ebon geyser]

the charge and run back of rep .. im not getting used to it .. ugh

[urban portal]

either have to hope you technically can just never tclap

and delay the outburst for the 2nd ss

so it would be something like

outbursted SS-avatar-revenge until SS comes off cd-SS again

you can still get seeing red if you have outburst ready

[ebon geyser]

anyone using the wall instead of reprisal? is it only dmg that im losing

[dapper swift]

Losing out on 20 rage

[urban portal]

You also lose block uptime

Wall is def easier to play

[chrome falcon]

just keep playing with reprisal until you learn it

it's not that bad

[urban portal]

Free shield blocks are also rage

[ebon geyser]

the run out and in is what i find difficult

like sometimes i forget or dont do it at all

[median tulip]

You need to learn how to manufacture opportunities to charge. The minimum chanrge distance isn't that big, so it's easier than you think it is

[lofty pecan]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/rYZvmBAaMgzyFx6k#fight=2&type=summary if youre interested in the log

[craggy pilot]

heroic leap

and you can run out on most bosses casts

[median tulip]

On trash I regularly counter charge casters

Hamstring > Step back > Couter Charge works too

and failing all else Intervene your healer and charge back

[odd tree]

Just make sure you don't give back if you charge through to a caster.

[chrome falcon]

spending 10 rage + opportunity cost to get reprisal is probably not the vibe

especially if they're already struggling with the playstyle at base level

best thing to do is just charge whenever you see an opportunity and make sure you IV on cooldown

the rest will come with time

also yeah IVing your healer and charging back

is great

pretty much caps your bar and 8s of SB

[uncut notch]

Nah but double tapping in sub 4 seconds isn’t impossible

[sage yacht]

finally tried some prot @sweet summit
does this look horrible or is this around the direction i need to look at?

i know the reflect damage is abit pepega

literally havent played any prot since 8.3

shockwave needa be higher

[cinder dirge]

thanks !!!

[chrome falcon]

it's totally possible to get 2 consecutive SS what

including with outburst

happens frequently

are you people not playing with devastator or something

OH you mean with the PVP nonsense build? i actually hit someone with 2 consecutive 35k crits because i was playing bodyguard shit was hilarious

if you're playing against a rogue, fury warrior, hunter, and you have bodyguard running, you can literally SS every global

@sage yacht are you spending tier procs on thunderclap?

[sage yacht]

ngl

im not sure what the tier set does

i just made the leggo and went into a key

winged it

[chrome falcon]

your tclap damage seems very high

and shield slam quite low

[sage yacht]

so i should prioritize shield slam over thunder clap more?

[median tulip]

You need a Weakaura to track Seeing Red/Outburst

[chrome falcon]

if SS is up

press it

you should never ever press tclap if SS is up

unless you desperately need snap aggro

[median tulip]

It's a Rage loss to spend Outburst procs on TClap; use them on Shield Slam for 45 Rage, not TClap for 15

[chrome falcon]

^ this applies to regular SS and TC as well

[sage yacht]

ooh fairs

any weakaura for that?

[chrome falcon]

[sage yacht]

ty

[median tulip]

TClap is still a good button in normal circumstances; it generate Rage and has a chance to reset the CD of Shield Slam; what's not to like?

[chrome falcon]

[sage yacht]

you remind me of myself in fury chat

i need to come into prot chat more

this actually seems like a decent channel

[median tulip]

Ahhh yes, Fury Warriors. The number 1 best target for Intervene

[maiden ravine]

I invite one melee to every key just to intervene haha

[median tulip]

saaaame

[sage yacht]

🙏

[cinder dirge]

we all do

😄

[sage yacht]

i like when i get intervened

[median tulip]

If they know how do interrupt shit it's good too

[cinder dirge]

Shittiest part is when they die to frontal when you intervene them on 1st pull of HoA

😭

[maiden ravine]

I really like Fae this patch

[toxic pewter]

sow hat do mostly people use: anger management or heavy repurcussions

[median tulip]

Anger Management

[toxic pewter]

even with only 2 piece tier?

[median tulip]

Well I only have 2pc and I use it

[toxic pewter]

Ok I will try it

[median tulip]

which cov are you using?

[toxic pewter]

kyrian... should I be using necrolord at this point

[median tulip]

Kyrian is definitely viable, no question about that. Necrolord is such fun, though

[toxic pewter]

really?

[median tulip]

Yes

[toxic pewter]

damn lol I feel like I am mising out i wont lie

i am only at 40 renown thats the problem

i guess i can get to 80 pretty quickly

[median tulip]

Necrolord is all about the feedback loop of rage generation from banner adding to banner duration when you spend it

[toxic pewter]

I see

how much does 'positioning' matter when using it

[median tulip]

and also bringing back Avatar and Shield Wall faster

[toxic pewter]

i know thats a weird question

[median tulip]

There's less positioning for Necro than for Kyrian, as you aren't trying to hit all the targets with spear

[toxic pewter]

that is good point

hmmm

how often is banner used its 2 min cd

[median tulip]

You just have to worry about Charging for Reprisal

[toxic pewter]

i see

is it like every other pull

[median tulip]

If you are doing it right, you can keep the banner up permanently

[toxic pewter]

oh shit

also when does the necro bubble even used i know dumb questions

[median tulip]

because of the Unity effect

[toxic pewter]

but like i guess before pulls whenever off cd

[median tulip]

Yeah

[toxic pewter]

man

I want to try it now lol

[median tulip]

On cooldown. Mostly because you use Marileth and you get buffs from Volatile Solvent if it's on Cooldown

[toxic pewter]

i see

my god seems powerful lol

[median tulip]

You get to the point where you are dumping Rage as fast as you can spend it

[thick charm]

any one can advise the skill rotation for ST and AOE ?

[median tulip]

Ravager on CD > Shield Slam > TClap > Revenj > Revenj > Revenj (keep Revenjing until Shield Slam resets)

[cinder dirge]

Don't spam too much revenge when you want to keep your banner uptime tho. You'll end up being trap into a loop where you can't IP / Shield block anymore until you lose the banner and definetly die.
Sometimes you wanna spend your rage so much in order to maintain banner that once you have not enough to spend for another shield block / IP it's preferable to wait a sec or go back into charge to reset it and get more rage

[mighty valley]

Don’t let yourself run out of shield block but if you’re maxing rage income you shouldn’t really have to chill on revenge barely ever

[thick charm]

do u mean playing nercolord prot? coz i heard it will do less dps as a tank than kyrian?

[mighty valley]

Necro is killer in raid, a touch behind in keys, but it’s fun as hell so I play it anyway

[thick charm]

thanks. should i charge in and use avatar and tclap then revenge every mobs in 5 packs or more pack?

[cinder dirge]

Actually I'm not so sure about it anymore tbh. I know it's suppose to deal less than Kyrian on paper...
But you facetank literally everything as necro while have 22% more strength.
I was doing 12k dps on Mist 23 and I really don't know if I would have done that in kyrian KNOWING that i would have been forced to kite at some point, whereas necro I literally don't give a fuck and stay my ground unless I want to use charge.

[thick charm]

oic. im trying to start to play prot tank in M+ only. as im dpser fury in raid.

i have 4 tier btw

[urban portal]

tclap is a bit too high

[thick charm]

more tanky like a nercolord?

[median tulip]

Revenge is your primary AoE aggro tool

[chrome falcon]

never outburst thunderclap

i feel like we need that in the pins

[thick charm]

haha ok. i totall not good in tanking. Revenge has Aoe dmg output?

[median tulip]

and yes, use Avatar as much as possible; look at what the 4pc bonus does. You should make a Weakaura that tracks Seeing Red and Outburst

[thick charm]

wanted to start learning

[dark lark]

It's aoe in an arc in front of you

[chrome falcon]

step 1 definitely read your abilities

[thick charm]

ok i will go and find..

[mighty egret]

necro prot in keys is sooooo good

[median tulip]

Necrolord prot is defined by the large amount of things that get boosted by spending Rage; Avatar and SHield Wall cool down, Banner stays longer, Indomitable heals you. It's all about maximising your Rage throughput

[mighty egret]

definitely a lot more interaction then spear

literally havent looked back to kyrian in keys since ive gotten 2p and switched to necro

[median tulip]

The only reason to switch back to Kyrian would be for the next Necrotic week

[mighty egret]

true

[toxic pewter]

what is fastest way to grind renown these days lol

[chrome falcon]

Campaign

[sturdy sable]

then torgies

[dire sparrow]

on Rygelon are you meant to taunt on every corrupted strikes, or do you have to take 2 applications of the debuff?

[sturdy sable]

should be every one on heroic

normal its what evs

[dire sparrow]

okay cool, thanks

[ebon geyser]

No tier from lfr but got kyrian,NF and Necro to 80

[ruby locust]

question where do you find shield block on details?

cause i dont see it on buff uptimes

[cinder dirge]

scrolldown

oh on details

click on auras

[dark lark]

Good rule of thumb is taunt when yours falls off

[tame valley]

in ToP can you skip the last big add with Wo before Xav or do you have to kill it to unlock the room the Xav?

[crystal iris]

what do you guys like for keys?

I go scale + aegis for pushiing, but just for 15s what do you guys like?

[dark lark]

For vault keys I just go full damage with phial and ticking sack

Is the top right one the heart of the swarm from lords?

[shell shale]

it is the lords trinket

i havent tried in a key yet myself but it looks really underwhelming

sadge

[worthy haven]

As a healer main, I'd like to say those buffs really helped you guys

It is massively easier for me to heal prot warriors than it used to be

[odd tree]

Necro prot feels alot tankier, and I currently only have 2p

Really fun playstyle tho

[dark lark]

It's weird because I didn't feel squishy to begin with, I thought our damage was lacking compared to other tanks with 2L/4P and I thought they should've buffed that

The playstyle is great and feels rewarding when you do it right

[cinder dirge]

Aegis + OWS

[odd tree]

I felt squishy when I started the week as kyrian. Fort + bolstering I imagine

[dark lark]

Wish the numbers were higher

[odd tree]

Dmg could be higher, curious if we'll see some buffs

[vestal summit]

How good is Pulsating Stonehard trinket?

[odd tree]

Not good

[vestal summit]

Lol easy enough, thanks. Got it today and was wondering before i wasted valor upgrading

[worthy haven]

But honestly I thought the reason to stay Kyrian over Necro was just the initial burst of aggro

[vestal summit]

I personally like Kyrian over Necro

[crystal iris]

It does like 600k overall, and im probably forgetting to use it a bunch

[crystal iris]

pally dont have :*(

[brave stirrup]

Which are the top two damage tanks right now in m+

[waxen cradle]

Any advice for getting threat ripped from us as tanks on pull but uncappped AoE classes such as shaman and dk's ?

[fathom jetty]

its a 4 min cd, but if you didn't know its a thing, remembering that Challenging Shout exists helped me a bit

[mighty valley]

Beg them to hold off for a couple of seconds before popping off

[urban portal]

blood bear

[ionic fern]

Are you using abilities properly?
Pre-Ravager, Spear/AA into Revenge spam?

[fathom jetty]

is pre-ravager correct? Healing buddy was complaining he was ripping aggro from just hotting me up when doing that, but perhaps I wasn't hitting everything with ravager

[urban portal]

Yes pre ravager

It's a free gcd

[ionic fern]

Yes, it's correct. You Ravager->Charge

[jade tartan]

For sure not.

[teal swift]

I feel like dh and paladin are putting out more damage at top tier

Almost all tanks are doing good

Prot warrior

[dawn canyon]

Blood fucking owns

[teal swift]

As you can obviously see

5/6 tankd

Are played frequently

1/6 is... Rework plz.

[dawn canyon]

Doesnt need rework

Is great rn

[teal swift]

For 5/6 of the tanks to be that played

Best tank balance

[urban portal]

Blood is simming like 12.5k st on bis

Cuz jailor weapon

[teal swift]

Oh I meant for m+

St kinda meh

[urban portal]

Their m+ is def solid #3 tho

Tho Idk too much

But yeah 5/6 tanks are really well balanced lol

Now that I think about it

[teal swift]

Honestly, prot warrior does need some help

It's okay rn

But it isn't really desirable

For really much

If warrior DPS was bin

It'd have a buff to offer

But it's kind of just a physical meatshield

[urban portal]

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