They need to replace 'uses all weapons' with 'BiS mog farmlord'
#protection
neat harbor
then Ill be happy
yeah the fact that its only a 600 DPS loss without even being able to use revenge should indicate that the slam damage does in fact go up.
in theory
or rather, the # of slam procs
distant crystal
yeah you'd also gain the flat dmg from devestator i guess
oblique garnet
@patent osprey im gonna judge this key 
distant crystal
yeah i remember doing some simming w/ folly & that waycrest fist
folly was so silly
P1ka gettin' slammed 
neat harbor
finally did the sim, the proc rate is normalized on Devastator passive
81 casts with sword, 80 casts with dagger
😦
distant crystal
the slam procs?
neat harbor
ya
Honestly the reason we didn't see Rextroy using a dagger should have settled it then and there
distant crystal
well more procs wouldn't do anything there would it
neat harbor
If you cant trust that nerd to hack the game, who can you trust
distant crystal
he just hit em with the wam bam 1 shieldslam KO
neat harbor
or actually yeah it wouldnt, well in theory it MIGHT give you a Shield slam proc just as you hit 8 stacks of the tier set bonus
but yeah not that critical
hollow dove
What is a decent overall damage for 17-18's? I'm hitting between 7-8k with 4set and 265 ilvl
tame jasper
7-8k is last patch dmg
Then iam still playing last patch 😦
strong forum
Smh update your game
tame jasper
so i need to pull even bigger I think
tame jasper
strong forum
And 9/10 it's just people not pressing enough buttons
neat harbor
The WoWhead 9.2 guide says that Glory effect synergizes with Anger Management*, in what way?
Im sure Im just dense and dont see the interaction
sorry, anger management, not necro banner
strong forum
It's insane rage gains?
And thus you get more rage to feed into AM
Which leads to more avatars, which leads to more outburst procs
Which leads to more rage
Which leads to more Banner uptime
Which leads to more rage
strong forum
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fjmCJ9GyMadxZ3ct#fight=1&type=damage-done&s...
You're barely charging and intervening
Your cpm of SS and TC are fine-ish
strong forum
60%+ is the achievable uptime
neat harbor
Right... insane
tame jasper
You're barely charging and intervening
yep thats my reprisal problem,
tame jasper
woth low blocked hits
strong forum
In an 8min shorter streets, erga generated 18k rage
32min total
You on the other hand only generated 20k rage in a 40min key
neat harbor
I feel naked without tier now, lmao
tame jasper
uff, thats obvously noobish of me
strong forum
uff, thats obvously noobish of me
So yeah, rage is the main thing
You also didn't execute for shit
chilly brook
execute=big stonks
strong forum
Start using execute! 
neat harbor
@chilly brook grats, Im gonna try to LFR some
tame jasper
what's somehow logical if I hjave too less rage, but yeah I get the point
tame jasper
So I have to force myself to get out and in more, regarless of the dps
strong forum
Effective reprisal usage is key, if that's what you're asking
strong forum
You also kinda underused spear and ravager
Which contributes further to less rage gain
chilly brook
tbh I don't care about my dps'd CDs
tame jasper
wild spirits and other "dont move the mobs you idiot"
chilly brook
I'm gonna continue to pull
strong forum
The mobs don't move if you play reprisal well
chilly brook
^
strong forum
Also
Erga had in his 32min key 123 outburst procs
That's roughly 40procs per 10min
You had only 139 outburst procs in 40min
Should've been closer to 150, ideally 160 at that point
tame jasper
You also kinda underused spear and ravager
uff, thought I improved that, after creating a WA for that, damn
tame jasper
even if this read somehow frustraating to get tell how bad am I, it somehow motivated me, but as of now Im somewhere in the "I know what to improve, but not yeat how"
strong forum
It's just small things adding up
That's how pwar always worked, but with 4pc it's a continuous marathon to fuel that rage engine
Raises the skill ceiling
Just keep it in the back of your mind to get more 
tame jasper
and explains why I'm still at the 20/21 m+
strong forum
Well pushing keys is more like a discipline thing
Unless you have someone with a big key and you just keep rolling off on those
tame jasper
and always feels like getting carried by the dps (esp if comparing with our druid tank who does 16k+ overall in a m+ and runs 24)
strong forum
It's more like that druids are being carried
Because their borrowed powers are extremely easy to use and overtuned
Press incarn and thrash, GG you've now completed the guardian tutorial
Here's your 15k overall
blazing condor
”Actually we have to press ironfur too dont say its easy!!!!”
cinder nova
Bro I just got through tanking a pug Anduin and the other tank was a warrior that refused to taunt 2nd intermission
median tulip
Pugs 😞
oblique garnet
That's how pwar always worked, but with 4pc it's a continuous marathon to fuel t...
4p NL prot warrior is actual dopamine rushed all the time
Even if you play seismic you are fairly tanky
cinder nova
Pugs 😞
Actual mouth-breather that's drinking glue by the gallon.
Dude was too busy trying to pad lining up a suboptimal spear.
I was dead for all of P3 and he still did 1K less and took 3K more damage per second.
cinder nova
Basically, Griff.
I checked his damage strat and it was TC top
Dude was busting his nut on TC outburst with EM on ghouls.
I was like ??? what is this literal noid thinking
teal swift
I just press buttons
proud fulcrum
how viable is to tank with war to get the weekly 15s with the signet of tormented kings? would you say necro or kyrian better? tyvm, just started wondering if I could
chilly brook
how viable is to tank with war to get the weekly 15s with the signet of tormente...
signet bad
but you could do 15s without legendaries so
median tulip
I mean you can do it, but it's way suboptimal. Just make Reprisal.
proud fulcrum
I don't have 90k to spare but thank you for the advice.
chilly brook
90 wadu hek
median tulip
90k? What hellserver are you on?
proud fulcrum
It's what I had to pay for the signet. I'm on Sanguino, EU
chilly brook
median tulip
Think they're about 35k on EU-Draenor
chilly brook
unless you're on a dead server there's no shot your 291 legendary costs didn't crater
proud fulcrum
I'm on the most competitive raiding server of my language xD
chilly brook
honestly it's harder to get the cosmic flux than the 291 base item
if you're just starting
chilly brook
I'm on the most competitive raiding server of my language xD
that means it should be cheap lol
proud fulcrum
i have 13k of unused cosmic flux
best I could do is 235 "The Wall", and because I already have the cloak (someone mispriced it as 100g)
jagged pier
amature
chilly brook
I mean you could just craft a 235 reprisal
median tulip
best I could do is 235 "The Wall", and because I already have the cloak (someone...
Sell the cloak, buy boots, make Reprisal
Better yet ask your guild if anyone can make them, and buy the materials
shrewd bronze
Hi folks, trying to get my prot set up for keys now, are there are trinkets that are considered a "must"?
shrewd bronze
I got a heroic one, is that still good?
blazing condor
yes
shrewd bronze
neat, ty
median tulip
First Technique, Secret Technique, Anima Field Emitter, Scale are all good trinkets
jagged pier
just run phial and sack
merry quail
Noob question here : why does IP sometimes proc from Shield Slam ? thanks
blazing condor
it doesnt...?
chilly brook
it doesnt...?
it does
merry quail
It does tho, I'm hitting a dummy for like 10min and sometimes it really does, might be a bug ?
chilly brook
if you have outburst
merry quail
y
chilly brook
if you have outburst you proc an IP when you spend it
either through shield slam or thunderclap
chilly brook
yeah i dont have tier
just loot it
blazing condor
🙂
chilly brook
I finally installed the overwolf client
Finally logging keys
I disappoint myself
Only 85% blocked hits
chilly brook
Y
oblique garnet
Worst overlay program ever
blazing condor
just use WCL?
oblique garnet
Wouldnt be surprised if they mine bitcoins
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
I find it very convenient
Plus like everyone I know uses their R6 client
median tulip
which covenant are people running in m+?
Just don't be Venthyr
lament musk
Wouldnt be surprised if they mine bitcoins
I remember installing for the LoL overlay a few years back when i took a break from wow, my fps tanked
Quickest uninstall i've ever done
oblique garnet
I remember installing for the LoL overlay a few years back when i took a break f...
blazing condor
cus itd be popping up / doing thing for other games
i press some buttons it would like open the overlay mid game or something
uncut notch
Any idea why logs and details will have different answers for my dps? Details says 9.7k but log says 8.5
So its not a small margin of error either
oblique garnet
@jagged pier ok jakey analyze log for me thz
uncut notch
Ah so is the log then just total damage/dungeon time
That seems a terrible way of metricising that
oblique garnet
https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850
Please ❤️
blazing condor
Whats the Taz Streets meta nowdays? I've barely done the dg
seen some people Wo skip and do RP after 1st, some go right side?
sweet summit
Any idea why logs and details will have different answers for my dps? Details sa...
logs is the entire dungeon start to finish
details is only during combat
uncut notch
Whats the Taz Streets meta nowdays? I've barely done the dg
seen some people Wo...
Left side is 10,000x easier
I will literally never go right again
Clear trash in the first room, go left, kill the guy on the bridge. Two dogs, the dino, the wolves and then you only need to clear the perimeter to get you from auction boss to mail boss and youre done for %
uncut notch
jeez
sweet summit
median tulip
Are people really out here doing zm dailies daily?
It's going to cost 2500 to make a tier piece, so it's worth grabbing a bit of a stockpile
blazing condor
Then u only need 10,000 
jagged pier
imagine going into ZM everyday
median tulip
You may need to remake; once to get 4pc ASAP on a M+ item that can go to 272, and again as and when you get a 278 item to upgrade to
median tulip
imagine going into ZM everyday
TBH I'm mostly just wanting the mount
also at some point flux will become tradable to alts, so again, making a stockpile now is good for the future
uncut notch
So ive taken your learnings team
My rage waste is still huge but getting better
Took 5.2k dps in an SD17 which is high i think
but self healed for 4k overall
so a 1.2k healer deficit
grave needle
Will the tier set get nerfed?
uncut notch
Blocked hits was suspiciously low at 75% tho
cinder nova
Will the tier set get nerfed?
Doubt it. We're not even king in any category besides mitigation.
cinder nova
Took 5.2k dps in an SD17 which is high i think
5.2K DPS is low, like - erally low.
Do you have 4p?
2p?
cinder nova
Oh, took.
eager falcon
Might be a dumb question, but do u throw the bastion spear at your feet or into the pack of enemies and then walk in?
uncut notch
Might be a dumb question, but do u throw the bastion spear at your feet or into ...
Pull, take two steps back, then spear
cinder nova
Never. I put up banner and do 35K DPS smashing WW with Bonegrinder and First Sigil
eager falcon
Alright, cheers
uncut notch
Never. I put up banner and do 35K DPS smashing WW with Bonegrinder and First Sig...
this makes me scratch my head
cinder nova
How so
grave needle
I only ask because of the new video that surfaced recently....
uncut notch
Interesting
cinder nova
This is old tech my man.
uncut notch
And you just mash the shit out of whirlwind
cinder nova
It hits hard with Bonegrinder going. Did a Mists where I hit with a 21K WW
I usually get 3-5 casts depending on what kind of rage I got
Higher casts in the window are usually from having Ava come off CD aligned with BG.
Or having an Outburst midway through
strong forum
outburst owns
cinder nova
Bonegrinder is entirely leaning into DPS and little else. It has its best returns now more than ever since we're playing more around Outburst than anything else, but you're pouring rage on a non-synergy spell that hits like a truck for cleave during BG uptime.
I wouldn't do it on any key where you're gonna be struggling to push.
But lowball keys like 15-20 ezpz
Just mash it
sweet summit
bg cope
uncut notch
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/372A6gYvB4zCJGVm/#fight=last&type=damage-ta...
you have this prefiltered to EHRPS
what is that pls
Effective hitpoint reduction per second maybe?
strong forum
its the only thing remotely close to evaluating defensive play from a tank
besides deeply analysing CD usage and so on
strong forum
2k is still very little
uncut notch
Really? 😄
uncut notch
I made a wa that pings at 75 rage
and i just dump into IP now
transformed my game honestly
strong forum
sure
uncut notch
Good tips from you guys thank you 🙂
The run was pretty smooth, just went a little sideways on the gauntlet with bolstering, I wanted to slow down the pulls but the dps kept pulling in more and more
We doubled pack 1 because i had shield wall etc and i wanted to split pull 2
mage pulled extra in and it was just tough to recover
blazing condor
Hate that shit
If youre good on time
Just play safe
No need to mongo pull so we can be even faster when we won’t +2 anyway
median tulip
which weakaura is it that gives you a % still needed when you kill particular bosses?
cinder nova
I just dump IP whenever I have enough rage to press Revenge and it together tbh
I'm just blazing through Outburst procs as fast as I can
Gotta crank that banner to 30s
blazing condor
which weakaura is it that gives you a % still needed when you kill particular bo...
That one is usually not accurate so i wouldnt recommend it.
median tulip
I can't seem to get the banner to last more than about 60% of its cooldown
blazing condor
Doesnt count in slimes after 3rd boss in PF for example
Better to just learn the breakpoints cus there arent that many. Like 80% in HOA, 81,5 in PF, 75% in SD etc
median tulip
It's SD that's making me think of this, because Blizz seem to have fuxed with the LOS to pull bats and stoneborn flyers on the gauntlet
blazing condor
As long as you get 75% before going down from 2nd boss its gg
If you wanna skip the pack before gauntlet that is
jagged pier
I can't seem to get the banner to last more than about 60% of its cooldown
then u arent press your buttons
literally as simple as that
strong forum
i could manage it multiple times in the key i did just now to keep it up until its CD came back
brave stirrup
@uncut notch can I get that IP WA
median tulip
then u arent press your buttons
I'm pressing all the button, just not necessarily in the right order...
uncut notch
<@!378276775920140299> can I get that IP WA
Uh sure, it’s very simple to make tho - I just made a secondary rage bar that pings at 75%
It also has a low rage indicator I might turn off
Because it’s fucking constantly going off
median tulip
Mine does the sword schwing noise at 75 Rage and calls me an idiot if I hit 100
chrome falcon
i understand if that wa helps you but it's not a good habit
there are plenty of situations where you're under 75 rage and still need to dump
like if you're going to charge, intervene, or outburst SS
median tulip
Agreed; but at 75 you always need to dump
chrome falcon
sure
but that doesnt mean it's a good habit
and the longer you play with a bad habit, the harder it will be to shake
median tulip
The "idiot" noise has definitely improved me
blazing condor
(not saying this is the case here) but i feel like a lot of people over-rely on WAs to tell them how to play and it ends up making them worse
but maybe im just a gatekeeper boomer who underuses WAs
median tulip
I don't really see that there's much difference between a bar that says "you have 75 rage" and a noise that says "you have 75 rage" TBQH
chrome falcon
because the bar also tells you when you have 74 rage
and 73
and all the other numbers too
if you're not able to constantly be aware of your rage at all times while tanking then that's a problem that you need to fix
median tulip
Well you do you, I'll stick with what works for me
chrome falcon
🤷♂️
point stands that if you wait for 75 rage to dump you ARE going to overcap with charge and outbursted SS
median tulip
point stands that the sound is a warning noise, not the sole thing I'm paying attention to
ebon geyser
Me last nite playing warrior after a while
https://c.tenor.com/bCfpwMjfAi0AAAAM/cat-typing.gif
ebon geyser
Yep lol
Specially when my buttons on my UI are all new placements
On guides we go with wowhead one or icy veins
I feel I need a better UI but I think is also I need make my scale bigger. I feel buttons are small
dusky canopy
Coming back to the party after a 5 month break
What should I expect?
Oh great so nothings changed
What’s the competitive damage overalls for keys these days? For us
I like to run seismic and shoot for the moon, I assume double Lego and 4pc is a huge impact?
dusky canopy
Oh hell yeah! I’m assuming that’s in 18s or less roughly while packs still die fairly quick?
sweet summit
ye
dusky canopy
So last I was lurking in here I was seeing all the bad rap necro was getting we’re back on the necro train again?
distant crystal
i know prot can do 15k but idk that i'd call it comfy
dusky canopy
Or maybe that was just fury
sweet summit
that was defo fury
dusky canopy
Well sick I’ll have to fool around with necro then
median tulip
So last I was lurking in here I was seeing all the bad rap necro was getting we’...
Necro banner with the second legendary (and ideally tier) institutes a feedback loop of rage spend and rage gain that just sustains
median tulip
Yeah
median tulip
You should use SR on those pulls as well, because the Bonestike is instant but shadow damage
craggy pilot
is Bonestrike supposed to hit that hard on +18? or did i not block? 😄
dusky canopy
WAIT A MINUTE
craggy pilot
You should use SR on those pulls as well, because the Bonestike is instant but s...
?
dusky canopy
Bro why am I reading that you took melee hits
craggy pilot
i alrdy did SR :<
dusky canopy
craggy pilot
wdym?
oblique garnet
Bro why am I reading that you took melee hits
🤔
craggy pilot
like am i not supposed to take Melee as tank? 
oblique garnet
Block isnt dodge
radiant magnet
still get hit, just for less
chrome falcon
strike and bonestrike only cast if you're in melee range
craggy pilot
i like the DH who had the 18 key says "no more warr tanks" and leaves
he did 2 interrupts on those 2 first packs in DOS
chrome falcon
at real key levels on fortified i'm never in melee range of those mobs without SR, SW, or DS up
craggy pilot
at real key levels on fortified i'm never in melee range of those mobs without S...
hmm ok, thanks for the tip 🙂
dusky canopy
Chances are the people who act like they can’t do a key because of their tank, are actually the weak link
craggy pilot
well obv they are 😄
some people in 18s are fucking dog
people being carried by their tier
radiant magnet
just like the ones screaming "PULL MOAR" are usually 3k dps
craggy pilot
i had a healer say "kick more" and he couldnt heal people on 2nd boss NW
he had less HPS than me Prot warr
how are people like this doing 17s?
cinder nova
Tbh seismic feels worse than rep in keys
dusky canopy
Seismic gang
cinder nova
It hobbles rage gen
ebon geyser
I would use icy veins
ty
craggy pilot
if Misshapen Mirror was "60% spell reflect CD reduc" would it be good for DOS? 🤣
cinder nova
Your real dam is from banner uptime and veng
oblique garnet
Tbh seismic feels worse than rep in keys
Git gud
dusky canopy
You really do not need 90% block uptime until like 22 and up and even then
chrome falcon
that ^ is not true
dusky canopy
Absolutely is true
cinder nova
Not about Block, it's about the rage
craggy pilot
oh shit ye maybe i should go Necro for DOS
chrome falcon
Coming back to the party after a 5 month break
i'm sure you're a real expert on the current state of prot warrior in m+ 🤔
cinder nova
I can't even remember the last time I used rep for shield uptime
craggy pilot
the Scribe cast on DOS is it always on the tank?
dusky canopy
I mean 2400 in s2 is enough xp to have an opinion.
craggy pilot
it only casts if you're in melee range of it
lol thats huge info wtf 🤣
chrome falcon
hey man you're welcome to an opinion but if you go into a 20 and have bad block uptime on fortified you're going to fucking explode
dusky canopy
My opinion is you do not need reprisal until 22s or higher and even then it’s not absolutely necessary
dusky canopy
You can have good block uptime without reprisal
median tulip
Reprisal is increased Rage gain
oblique garnet
I mean its not like you need reprisal to keep 100% uptime on banner in keys
As long as you chain
lofty widget
it sure helps tho
craggy pilot
how do we lust on Fortified DOS?
chrome falcon
i mean you're welcome to drop a log of you doing a 22 fortified without reprisal Brew like i'll wait but that just sounds like nonsense
dusky canopy
Theirs no denying that reprisal is superior defensively absolutely. But you don’t need it in 15-20 keys as the default option
chrome falcon
first pack in fortified
dusky canopy
how do we lust on Fortified DOS?
I’m of the opinion that you lust second pack
cinder nova
Rep is superior offensively, Seismic is literally useless unless you're 3+ you can always use Rep and get 10-12k overalls in anything under a 20 comatose
chrome falcon
I’m of the opinion that you lust second pack
no because of Wo
cinder nova
Like it's just inting unless you're hard carrying
craggy pilot
I’m of the opinion that you lust second pack
and then what boss you go first?
dusky canopy
Oh word I’m speaking from season 2 experience
chrome falcon
@craggy pilot you kill wo on the first pack with lust and run to ardenweald or hakkar
dusky canopy
They should know better
craggy pilot
<@270309256471773194> you kill wo on the first pack with lust and run to ardenwe...
hakkar without lust then?
chrome falcon
well it is fortified
but ardenweald first is probably better for your lust timing
since you can lust that boss
cinder nova
I'm still hyped over being about to lock in Ashen to clown boss meters in keys
Bring a 4th DPS makes a huge diff
chrome falcon
if your group is smart they'll stop hitting mobs at 20% so you can build up stacks on trash it's a pretty big optimisation on packs of 2 or 3 mobs
ebon geyser
any needed WA for us
cinder nova
if your group is smart they'll stop hitting mobs at 20% so you can build up stac...
What for? Not like you're able to roll them to boss
What's the breakdown here
cinder nova
Oh I see
dusky canopy
I’m really intrigued by this necro talk I’m looking forward to trying it
cinder nova
Banner is the reason we can absolutely bust on damage
lofty widget
necro is great but really not needed outside big keys
dusky canopy
Banner on pull or what’s the min max?
cinder nova
It's freakishly tanky and it hits dumb hard
Banner on pull and you never let it drop
cinder nova
100%
dusky canopy
Oh hell yeah!
fathom turtle
hey guys, can u tell me about the pros and cons of prot necro / kyr and how to play necro?
dusky canopy
It gives us strength increase right?
dusky canopy
Oh hell yeah
chrome falcon
@fathom turtle you play necro by pressing banner and spending rage
necro is better for survivability and single target
fiery prism
If i just play 15-17s, you guys reckon i should get NL or Kyrian up first
fathom turtle
keeping it up by spending rage?
cinder nova
Alright lads I'm boarding my flight let's hope I don't get turned to salsa in a crash
chrome falcon
If i just play 15-17s, you guys reckon i should get NL or Kyrian up first
literally your preference at that level
kyrian most dps necro if you just want to be braindead unkillable
fiery prism
kyrian most dps necro if you just want to be braindead unkillable
what makes NL braindead unkillable
all that mastery?
fiery prism
i see
ebon geyser
imo fleshcraft should be instant
cinder nova
FC beasts for +2% STR
ebon geyser
what u mean no, that channel sucks
fathom turtle
is there a case for prot warris in m+ to cast fleshcraft in a pull?
cinder nova
Before the pull
You want the mastery for damage
I legit only push it for the buff not the absorb lol
chrome falcon
you think fleshcraft should be an instant 40% max hp shield on a 2 minute cooldown
fascinating
ebon geyser
but again if i was in any way of form part of the decisions in this game i would have had account bound rep and shit a long time ago
chrome falcon
just keep fleshcraft on cooldown
you should never really be full channelling it ideally
real thunder
For NL, people in disc say to go Marileth but my sims(bunch of diff types) say to go Heirmir. Are the sims just bad for Heirmir or does Mari have something that makes it the way to go? Which SoulBind is best for keys for NL?
cinder nova
Kevin slaps and the first strike is nice
Otherwise the coating can be good for raid bosses
real thunder
thx
chrome falcon
coating is really good in everything
real thunder
I imagine the 100% uptime on banner is dungeon/chain pulling dependent. So maybe some dungeons NL might not be the way to go? Any dungeons you guys find that NL isn't the play in?
lofty widget
nah
chrome falcon
spires
real thunder
make sense
chrome falcon
trying to keep uptime in spires can be an absolute fucking nightmare
lofty widget
ive had 95 % uptime in spires
chrome falcon
but you can still play it
radiant magnet
agreed on spires, too many gaps. still high uptime tho
lofty widget
just dont use your banner right before you go flying and youre f ine
radiant magnet
yep, you can plan around it and mitigate most of the gaps
just not as much fun as chain pulling
chrome falcon
well you go flying (or wo skip) like 6 times, plus the downtime if you go left then right after the first boss
it's still good there but it is the worst dungeon for chaining uptime
lofty widget
sure, still wouldnt opt out of necro for spires
chrome falcon
yeah i just find myself always playing kyrian there anyway for obvious reasons
craggy pilot
how do you handle stealthlings in PF?
strong forum
prevent them from spawning in the first place
dont kick the envebbing
and chain stuns on the stealthlings cast
if they spawn, just aoe stun them
craggy pilot
wont everyone get rooted in the webbing?
craggy pilot
ah ok
chrome falcon
stealthings super easy to deal with you have shockwave and fear to either interrupt the spawn or the spiders themselves
strong forum
fear only hits up to 8* so be careful of individual ones leftover
chrome falcon
the amount of people who don't understand that you don't kick webbing even after you TELL them not to kick webbing
is a wild ride to go on
mob stuns itself for like 15 seconds it's so weird
distant crystal
letting them spawn is better for my overall tho
vernal vale
that plaguefall was so rough on interupts
frosty holly
Should have been in my NW i did on paladong tank. I had 74 interrupts. Number 2 had 16 ;_:
frosty holly
Yea sure. But 74 vs 16 is a bit yikes
vernal vale
paladin gets auto interupts a lot
frosty holly
Even if i only counted my Rebuke interrupts i was way ahead
frosty holly
If i dps or tank I'm pretty much always top interrupt. It's not on global so at least melee classes have nothing to lose
strong forum
yep
fathom turtle
which lv 50 talent do u prefere? am or the 2nd one?
strong forum
am
fathom turtle
mh does prot warri get rage when receiving dmg? just tried necrolord on training dummy and didnt manage to get 100% uptime :/
strong forum
only 3 rage per 1sec max
vernal vale
I'm wasting way to much rage in dungeons compared to raid bosses. Need to manage that way better.
strong forum
so if you cant keep up banner 100% with 4pc then youre not playing correctly
vernal vale
I still don't have tier.
jagged pier
so if you cant keep up banner 100% with 4pc then youre not playing correctly
Only in 100% uptime cases nome, if theres flat down time nothing u can do
vernal vale
I can get about 50-60% on bosses if I'm playing well
fathom turtle
well so im doing something wrong on training dummy. 2nd try my banner went down and i had 1 min 10 secs left 😄
jagged pier
The highest ive hadin a dungeon is 86% i think on details some pulls i just didnt have it
strong forum
well so im doing something wrong on training dummy. 2nd try my banner went down ...
thats hella wrong
you could keep up banner for that long last patch
with only glory
vernal vale
The dungeon I just did had a 33% uptime without tier and I was playing bad wasting lots of rage.
strong forum
without tier and double leggo
are you charge weaving at all?
are you pressing revenge at all?
this is @fathom turtle
strong forum
without tier 33% uptime on banner is pretty normal in keys
vernal vale
I know I'm making tons of mistakes in dungeons right now. Overcapping rage, only 60% blocked hits.
strong forum
but holy man
youre overcapping rage like fucking crazy
press IP more lol
10% of all of your rage is wasted
vernal vale
Yeah, I need to clean it up a massive amount in dungeons.
I'm probably trying too hard on stacking things too BV, Avatar is a shitload or rage all at once.
fathom turtle
mh 50 seconds now xD
vernal vale
Which then leads to shield slam, and everything else overcapping
Probably go back to BSC until I'm managing rage better
vernal vale
youre overcapping rage like fucking crazy
Besides my low blocked and overcapping rage. How are my SS, and Revenge casts?
I'm still learning to read dungeon logs as closely
strong forum
Haven't looked too closely tbh
But around 12cpm of SS is good in keys
And revenge anything between 10 and 17 cpm
viral flume
What soulbind is ideal for necro if you can't be marileth?
strong forum
Heimir
viral flume
Mmk thanks.
vernal vale
But around 12cpm of SS is good in keys
Thanks knowing those CPM helps a lot. I'm looking okay on both those fronts then.
strong forum
This is my mists I just did a few hours ago
With 2pc as necro
So smth along those lines is what you're looking for
I did waste a good bit of rage aswell, but was my first key with 2pc and necro so not too used to it
vernal vale
Thanks again. Looks like I should be doubling my ignore pain and I'm just a bit shy on my shield block usage
strong forum
If you're playing necro you'll need to pump alot into IP yes
vernal vale
I'm working on getting a feel for it despite not having tier because I find it tons of fun and I know tier is only going to make it better.
strong forum
Without tier I'd just play kyrian
You need that extra rage gain from tier to make necro shine
vernal vale
Yeah, I normaly play night fae in dungeons when im pushing keys
I like AA for a group interupt
warped thorn
do you need 4pc for necro>kyrian
jagged pier
2pc
vernal vale
do you need 4pc for necro>kyrian
I don't feel any less tanky necro over kyrian or night fae. My damage is not as high. With 0 tier.
warped thorn
does the ip from outburst add to banner duration
vernal vale
Though as Nomeratur said it wants tier to really shine in necro.
warped thorn
w/ unity
chrome falcon
no
safe thistle
hmm someone else tried pelagos in gambit ? i forgot to switch to mika and it was pretty good
the dmg reduction etc...
and mastery
we talk about mika a lot but forget about our buddy pelagos
scenic mural
Bc miks tree is great, bunch of haste, shorter spear cd, pelagos is meh
chrome falcon
nothing pelagos does really matters because it's not 20 second CDR on spear
pallid musk
I got 99% banner uptime w Represial on boss but there a few boss with downtime can lead you lose Glory
median tulip
Pelagos is ok for single-target fights where Mika doesn't offer as much
pallid musk
Yes 4pc
I think i got some record with 1 million boss dps / 7-8k with glory/ Represial (2k came from execute)
In 16 keys
chrome falcon
right but you're already not playing kyrian on single target fights anyway
pallid musk
Yes. Go necro for singletarget. It shrine
severe grotto
Yo, im new to prot, whats my basic rotation in keys?:) what do i not use at all and spam?
chrome falcon
there is no rotation just press shield slam and when shield slam is down press revenge/thunderclap until shield slam comes back up
then continue pressing shield slam
severe grotto
alright, execute off bar?
severe grotto
o.O
chrome falcon
it literally hits harder than arms execute
median tulip
It's more priorities than rotation. You're fishing for Shield Slam resets.
median tulip
Avatar ASAP
severe grotto
what about ignore pain?
chrome falcon
what about it
chrome falcon
press it to spend rage
literally prot warrior comes down to 2 things
- have shield block up when you're being meleed as much as possible
- generate rage, spend rage
you're never going to spend all your rage on just revenge and shield block so put your excess into ignore pain especially when you're taking damage
median tulip
Once you get to the double legendary/4pc Tier/Necro build, you will have so much Rage that you dump to ignore pain because you literally can't spend it all any other way
chrome falcon
i believe that even the sim bots physically cannot avoid overcapping with last stand up
so yeah when you're full build there's a lot of rage to spend
median tulip
This is another reason we use Execute; what else are you gonna spend it on?
chrome falcon
i've managed to SOMEWHAT consistently reproduce that outburst bug where it's consume and doesn't do anything
median tulip
i've managed to SOMEWHAT consistently reproduce that outburst bug where it's con...
Isn't that just a time thing?
chilly brook
these back to back outbursts are crazy with 4p
chrome falcon
it seems to only happen to me if i press shield slam and literally miliseconds later i press and IP that procs outburst
which is very weird
median tulip
it seems to only happen to me if i press shield slam and literally miliseconds l...
does it do it if you use Avatar to proc Outburst?
chrome falcon
tried it 10 times and the avatar outburst has worked 10 times
tried it by proccing outburst via 8 stacks and it bugged 4 times
severe grotto
hmmm seems like i should track outburst?
chrome falcon
track seeing red
so you know when outburst is coming
and obviously outburst as well
but if you're only tracking outburst you're missing out on important info
median tulip
I've got one that tracks seeing red, lights up at 7 stacks as a warning, and changes to the Outburst icon when it rolls over
chrome falcon
the tracker in the pins shows both seeing red and outburst
chilly brook
the tracker in the pins shows both seeing red and outburst
^ very useful
chrome falcon
yeah it's important to know both pieces of info
chilly brook
there are times when I'm with an outburst and 7 stacks
chrome falcon
so you don't accidentally throw away an outburst
(i have never done this btw please don't check my logs 🙂 )
chilly brook
which means if I convert to an outburst I lose the first one
chrome falcon
it's annoying because sometimes i'm 60 rage and 6 stacks seeing red+outburst
and i'm like
do i need to IP to avoid an overcap and risk wasting outburst
(this is when the 5 stacks seeing red + IP = outburst bug tilts the fuck out of me)
chrome falcon
finna BURST
chilly brook
can you solo g'huun normal?
chrome falcon
i don't think you can solo ghuun at all
it resets if the whole raid is up in the side bits
but lemme double check
strong forum
Yeah you can't solo ghuun
chrome falcon
which is a tilt because that shield is nice
fathom turtle
just finished as necro a NW+16. shadow priest had 9k overall dps, same as me 😄
chrome falcon
i want that blue one
chilly brook
which is a tilt because that shield is nice
yea was just looking and it would go so well with my mog
strong forum
Mythic one is bis cuz it's the hardest shield to get in the game
Until they make him soloable
chrome falcon
unironically probably is one of the least obtained shields in the game yeah
because you need like 5 or 6 people for it on mythic with the MCs
strong forum
Aswell as the orb runners
chrome falcon
yep
strong forum
Don't forget you need 4 people per rotation, so 12 + tank(s)
Or 2 warlocks and classes who can solo it
chrome falcon
fortunately the actual bis shield is the hyrja one they added last patch so we don't need the one from ghuun
west walrus
Not big enough
strong forum
That one isn't bis at all
chrome falcon
it's pretty big
west walrus
That's the proof tauren > all
chrome falcon
it's not from WQ you need tier three anima conductor with kyrian which probably like 4 people in the world have
strong forum
Right...
chilly brook
oh and I need the KT heroic sword to round it all out
chrome falcon
it's an unused model from legion, it's even in the legion section of the transmog tab lmao
strong forum
That's why I, who has done less than 200 wqs total and isn't exalted with any covenant
Have it
🤔
west walrus
strong forum
Grats!
strong forum
The bullshit part about the Black Bell is that you can't solo it
Maybe you can nowadays
chilly brook
oh yea
chrome falcon
yeah you can
strong forum
But in 9.1 you couldn't
chilly brook
I see your neck
chrome falcon
why not, just too hard?
chrome falcon
yeah makes sense, even now it feels like they do a good bit of damage
chilly brook
and raise it with
chilly brook
more stats bruh
strong forum
It's not better
west walrus
No main stat
strong forum
Taza neck Sims higher
chrome falcon
same as every other necklace in the game then kuku?
west walrus
Yep
chilly brook
Taza neck Sims higher
amplifier?
chrome falcon
huh i wonder if wod m+ jewelry will have mainstat
west walrus
That's why ilvl is not relevant for rings / neck
chilly brook
cab?
chrome falcon
cab overtook sin-stained
chilly brook
we bout to find out
strong forum
I literally simmed it for the profile
I simmed every raid and dungeon item
Taza neck came out ahead
chrome falcon
i wonder if punish got any better with tier set
strong forum
No
chrome falcon
good
urban portal
It probably got worse
chrome falcon
fun in pvp though
strong forum
Devastator got better cuz more rage
west walrus
Nomeratur, when do you stream some pwarr gameplay ?
strong forum
when im not pugging
jagged pier
🙏
chilly brook
cinder dirge
Nomeratur, when do you stream some pwarr gameplay ? <:sadge:820202363359854633>
i'm streaming keys sometimes if you want. Not raid tho. Only M+ keys around 3.2 - 3.3 rio
But it's french baguette gameplay
😄
west walrus
Voraj ? O_o
cinder dirge
ye
west walrus
\o/
dark lark
Just to double check with 4p, these globals should all be one after the other right?: Ravager on Pull > Charge/Avatar > Demo (BV) > Spear > SS > Revenges and you spam IP/SB the whole time?
or do I weave in Revenges
dark lark
Wouldn't I want the demo for the 20% damage amp (BV)
west walrus
Another pwarr in my list 
mighty valley
on some packs I have to delay spear a couple globals until everything's walked together
hard vessel
How much more dps are you guys doing in m+ since you got 2p or 4p? I am super unlucky and play 21s without any set and wanna know how much higher I can go soon
dark lark
I just did 9.9 in a 19 spires but the last set of pulls from 3rd boss to last just take so long and it's ST 😦
hard vessel
K I do around 8k as kyrian with 0 pieces, this seems like 11k with 4p as kyrian
Thanks guys I have hope now for 2 keys lvls highers in few weeks
dark lark
or do I weave in Revenges
So no revenge weaving on that opener right? Just mash SB/IP to avoid capping?
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cUdRPhz1KKdfoZJLyT5...
🤷
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
chrome falcon
i would SS before the BV probably but i don't know if that's correct
strong forum
this is with WF
urban portal
negligible
strong forum
🤷
chilly brook
idk
chrome falcon
now that's negligible
urban portal
and just higher quantity of stats too
chilly brook
all I know is it's simming better on my tournament realm toon
I could be missing something tho
chrome falcon
holy shit this outburst bug is making me want to throw my pc out a window
doing some 2s for memes and guy lived on 5% hp because it happened on my mega shield slam
chrome falcon
listen the 60k shield slam crits in arena is going to get nerfed soon
i'm just trying to ride the high while it's available
latent pier
holy shit this outburst bug is making me want to throw my pc out a window
What bug?
chrome falcon
if you proc outburst in the MINUSCULE window between pressing SS and it hitting
the ss won't be empowered but your outburst will still go bye bye
jagged pier
i think its the same server tick
latent pier
What the fuck
chrome falcon
yeah that sounds about right jakey it's an incredibly small window
but when you spam as hard as we do it happens annoyingly often
latent pier
Is there any way to make a weakaura that does nothing but play the tf2 pan impact sound when an empowered slam lands
chrome falcon
sure
chrome falcon
same brain too small motivation too low
latent pier
I'm learning c++ now and it's already making me wanna die.
chilly brook
i'm just trying to ride the high while it's available
is this actually good in pvp
chrome falcon
i dunno it's real fuckin funny though
but with holy priest, paladin, and druid all having immunities any build that's based on blowing someone up in 2 globals is never going to be amazing
seriously having a potential 60k shield slam just miss on a druid because they're tranqing sent me to a new dimension of tilt
chrome falcon
chrome falcon
lost maybe 10% of my (already scarce) brain cells when i learned they added this
chilly brook
fire these pvp balancing dudes smh
chrome falcon
it's ok at least we have bodyguard to protect one person from 40% physical damage as long as they're fucking pixel stacked on us
chilly brook
it's ok at least we have bodyguard to protect one person from 40% physical damag...
kekw
running a new sim with some swapped jewelry
grave crane
tranq is an immunity now
has been since 9.1 i think
chilly brook
has been since 9.1 i think
i've stayed away from pvp as a general rule this xpac
chrome falcon
good rule
grave crane
played my Rdruid in pvp and gonna be honest it was kinda necessary cause RM one shots, holy pally blessing of summer, monk spinning crane kicks, DH hunting people and warriors like the bubble aint huge imo
odd tree
fire these pvp balancing dudes smh
There are some bonkers pvp talents.
Execute charge as venthy was fun
grave crane
and shadowy duel is wild
chrome falcon
but yeah i would expect our pvp thing to get nerfed
you can quite literally kill someone in a single hit even in arena
grave crane
probably yeah, but itll take a while i assume, lots of other classes still doing big damage in arenas
neat harbor
Hello lads, I just intervened someone in solo shuffle and buff lasted literally 3 seconds
is this intended?
chrome falcon
depends how long they stay within 10 yards of you
neat harbor
were both rooted right next to each other, confirmed he never moved out of range
worn bear
were both rooted right next to each other, confirmed he never moved out of range
it was nerfed last year
neat harbor
ok ty
blizzard really needs to update all the damn tooltips when in WM/PvP instance >.<
literaly just left to guess at all the pvp specific durations
so lazy
median tulip
Condensed Anima Sphere or Brutal Vitality as a 3rd Endurance Conduit choice?
chrome falcon
uh well condensed anima is standard
but brutal vit might actually be good now
it's kinda hard to tell
distant crystal
i feel like vit will naturally heal more when you need more healing, in keys at least
median tulip
This is what I'm thinking; I have IP a lot more now
median tulip
Fueled By Violence? I don't think that does a significant amount of healing compared to the other two
neat harbor
safeguard lasts for 6
This is so odd man.. the intervene duration isn't even listed on the safeguard conduit, Lol
median tulip
its pointless
So you would rec CAS?
neat harbor
u overcap
wonder if the 120 rage cap would be beneficial now with the amount of rage we're getting
would be interesting to see just how much rage gets wasted with high banner/avatar uptime
strong forum
bigger rage cap would be nice
vernal vale
Fueled By Violence? I don't think that does a significant amount of healing comp...
fueled by violence is horrible heals because bleeds don't tick all that high
bosses its completley negligible healing
median tulip
I use FBV on Arms, never on Prot
vernal vale
huge trash pulls it gets mediocre instead of terrible
neat harbor
How good is FBV for arms compared to the others?
strong forum
fbv is like 3% leech now
median tulip
The question was CAS or BV as a 3rd choice, IDK about FBV
median tulip
How good is FBV for arms compared to the others?
SG is best, but FBV is probably the best of the rest
neat harbor
👍
median tulip
UF > SG > CAS
Noted, thanks
median tulip
I guess the other question is; with Marileth, 3e or 2e/1f?
strong forum
3e for yourself
chrome falcon
preference but 1f feels better in most group content
strong forum
1f if youre more party play oriented
chrome falcon
safeguard can do great stuff and the rally conduit is absurd in raid
ebon geyser
@median tulip holy crap just by doing the story campaign of necros i goto 80. ty
median tulip
<@220649471804047360> holy crap just by doing the story campaign of necros i go...
YW
chrome falcon
https://gyazo.com/92fc1d81083f3d1a3c5f322e5e0c003a this shit is cracking me up
bright dock
For people that have had great uptime in keys with banner; what are your stats like? Do you use booming voice or ITF also?
I have 4set but not having great uptime in keys
chrome falcon
charge weave more, press LS, stop wasting rage
play ravager and bsc
you can play BV if you prefer it's a very minor difference
jagged pier
u should be playing BV
chrome falcon
i play BV but people keep saying bsc is more damage
jagged pier
but then again i dont think ive run a key with 4 set without bv
leaden swallow
I see a lot of warriors playing necrolord in keys recently is that the BiS covenant for m+ atm?
oh okay ty
bright dock
charge weave more, press LS, stop wasting rage
thanks for the tips
probably just need to do it more
chrome falcon
yeah sorry i know they're not very specific
bright dock
naw that just means that its not talents or shit, its me
chrome falcon
if you have a log it'll be easier to break down
chrome falcon
90% of the time people come in and ask why their banner uptime is bad they're just wasting a huge amount of rage
or not generating enough because they're not SSing every time it's up
bright dock
cool thanks, i'll work on it more appreciate the help
dawn canyon
west walrus
Can a tank be ranged ? 🤔
strong forum
vdh is ranged tank
leaden swallow
ty i appreciate it 🙂
distant crystal
if they have a tank listed in the grp that means tanks can apply and tank will go dps :p
west walrus
It was a lonely HDH :D
distant crystal
maybe he meant the opposite then lol
west walrus
A tank without a shield and fleeing before their foes is not a tank
distant crystal
Making a ranged tank would be weird cuz like
ok you're ranged but you're still gonna be standing in melee
unless you make all the bosses/mobs ranged too
strong forum
just doesnt work
strong forum
i remember seeing a priest running in circles
overwhelmed with what to do
switchting targets, spam hitting his wand so hed cancel all his attacks permanently
for like 2min straight
👌
chrome falcon
whose idea was it to put 11 items on the streets drop table i just wanna talk
spiral warren
what soul bind do u do for necro in keys?
torpid junco
Is gambit trinket comparable to old warrior soul for haste ?
chrome falcon
quite a lot less haste too if you're chaining well
like half as much haste if you're comparing 259 OWS to 272 SST
median tulip
You do miss out on a whole chunk of STR though
strong forum
ya but only like 15 str