boomer meme
#protection
spiral warren
boomer meme
Ok boomer 
jagged pier
chilly brook
Easily the most fun interaction of prot rn
spiral warren
Yeah I usually only play prot to help out guildies and such with weekly 15s
chilly brook
<:sadge:820202363359854633>
I’m gonna feel real bad in live after this weekend since I’ll be doing mdi keys to get banner
strong forum
boomer meme
Factual tho
chilly brook
So I’ll have access to Uber optimized gear
spiral warren
Haven’t got around to playing it yet with 4p so prob gonna recraft reprisal and get it
dawn canyon
Whatd u get?
strong forum
Pork cutlet with fries and schnitzel with fried potatoes
spiral warren
<:wicked:937093876857045012>
Matthew
strong forum
:peepofat:
blazing condor
dawn canyon
If u need help log a key
strong forum
Come on if I can manage to text my crush once every 6 months you can manage to play prot war
dawn canyon
Pork cutlet with fries and schnitzel with fried potatoes
Sounds great
ebon geyser
Ok so how u log a key? Same as raids
dawn canyon
Yep
ebon geyser
I have done keys on monk buy I have never seen them
dawn canyon
Press start log and go
mighty valley
Being bad rules, means it's easy to improve next time
mighty valley
What's the worst that can happen? Some nerd you'll never see again has an embarrassing freakout?
chilly brook
What's the worst that can happen? Some nerd you'll never see again has an embarr...
Tbh the only freak outs happening are the DPS I’m beating on bosses
ebon geyser
I actually want to be good and start killing it
mighty valley
ez, you just start doing
sturdy sable
Dont we all
chilly brook
Haven’t had some healer whisper me amazed at how little they have to heal me yet tho
Literally healers have died on some of these pulls and I just live the whole thing without heals
It’s great
mighty valley
oh i only play in guild and our best healer is constantly like "can you take some damage please"
ebon geyser
I have someone I wanna strive to be. I know is not realistic but is a start
dawn canyon
Erga had no healer
chilly brook
I need to start doing some 20s
chilly brook
Erga had no healer
Have had a few pulls like this
dawn canyon
5 wari tech too op
dawn canyon
Have had a few pulls like this
Overall 5k hps
chilly brook
And actually decent
vernal vale
That sounds fun
dawn canyon
chilly brook
Overall 5k hps
vernal vale
I played necro in raid last night because as I've been told "you take too much damage" so I went to the defensive covenant
vernal vale
Lots of funeven without any tier
chilly brook
chilly brook
Honestly
dawn canyon
Can you make 15s from bfa for tr?
chilly brook
Necro is def 
ebon geyser
You take too much dmg is because ppl only want meta tank. Keep on trucking king
vernal vale
I was playing like ass though so that never feels good.
chilly brook
I mean
Meta tanks take about the same amount of damage
In terms of healing required
dawn canyon
Funny cuz meta tank pala also takes loads
vernal vale
Didn't have good blocked hits all last night.
ebon geyser
Be a Griff on this sea of followers 
chilly brook
That’ll do it
chilly brook
Be a Griff on this sea of followers <a:keksquad:766690598635044895>
No no don’t be me
I’m a fury boi in raid
ebon geyser
I’m a fury boi in raid
Wow....is this what my mom feel about me...
chilly brook
Me raid tanking=toxic
vernal vale
Even then the pally in our raid is starting to drive me nuts.
dawn canyon
I’m a fury boi in raid
Some time deep in reclear do a full raid as tank while not actually tanking
Dps pwar
chilly brook
When you take 3 pulls to get your job down and everyone else takes 40
It grates on me
Especially when I start not being able to do my job because someone else didn’t do theirs
ebon geyser
I legit start getting toxic as a raid tank
Bro u saying this make so much sense... I was super toxic last nite on normal.... And when I got chest and I lost my pant to greed
vernal vale
That’ll do it
If you feel up to look at my 0 tier logs it would be appreciated. You normally give good brutal feedback
chilly brook
On mobile atm but I can def do it in a little bit
vernal vale
Appreciated @chilly brook
mighty valley
tanks don't have to learn much, plus we are forced to deal with our mechanics every pull, while dps might not even see a mechanic happen to them til several pulls in
so yeah, a lot of the time we're just waiting for everyone else to learn
ebon geyser
I was being told like why u dying on adds in anduin and I'm like because of the heal reduction
vernal vale
tanks don't have to learn much, plus we are forced to deal with our mechanics ev...
I've never felt like I don't understand dps mechanics when I've played fury either. Maybe it's because I find dps boring so I like the mechanics forcing me to do stuff.
dawn canyon
Tanking raid depends a lot on Boss imo
sturdy sable
^
sturdy sable
90% of the time they are target dummys with a taunt swap
sturdy sable
Other 10% are coordinated dances that are beautiful
dawn canyon
PS
mighty valley
fury is one of the simpler specs plus is fully mobile, lot of the time dps is focusing too much on perfect rotation and panics when a mechanic happens
dawn canyon
I didnt go for into myth CN but Don looked great
mighty valley
yeah i don't enjoy the fights that are like "uhhhhh a million adds. deal with it i guess"
sturdy sable
By far my favourite fight this expansion so far (to tank atleast)
dawn canyon
Huntsman was fun at start then boring
vernal vale
Any fight that is trash in a boss costume blows
dawn canyon
What's your favourite fights to tank in sofo guys
sturdy sable
Loved it
mighty valley
rygelon's nice as just a real big numbers fight that doesn't take long
sturdy sable
mythic donny fucking piped the tank
Sylv as well. And its looking like jailers gonna as well
chrome falcon
i'm just really not looking forward to halondrus
that's not gonna be fun to tank for 250 pulls
mighty valley
halondrus is a great fight overall imo but not one of the best tank fights
sturdy sable
i'm just really not looking forward to halondrus
Yeah its not a fight you can auto pilot so your gonna have to pay attention for every single pull
chrome falcon
oh yeah i didn't consider that tanks might do potato
after the nerf
i doubt that's correct though
i hated tanking sylvanas though
different shit every pull
RNG veil in p3 while you're clearing zzz
mighty valley
progging her was so bad, when people only need practice on p3 but you have to slog through the rest of the shit every pull
chrome falcon
fetid was certainly memorable
chrome falcon
fetid was rough when prot was so unbelievably fucking bad in that patch
sturdy sable
I tanked it as veng so it was really fucking dicey
chrome falcon
bad to play
chrome falcon
my co-tank was a fucking dog tier brm at the time as well
he died so hard one pull that he fell through the floor and DCd
strong forum
Mine was a bdk who dropped to 5% everytime he got hit by fetid
Which was good enough
chrome falcon
no you just played HR and that was good enough but i'm pretty sure i was being retarded and playing AM because i missed legion
sturdy sable
Naw you played AM
strong forum
You played AM 12000% of the time
You played itf, BV, bolster, am in raid
And in m+ you played itf, BV, bolster and AM
chrome falcon
Which definitely left you with block downtime for a few seconds every phase
chrome falcon
Either way that shit hurt real bad
strong forum
Idk I chilled all of bfa raids
Only scary thing was zul
Cuz he was just beyond dumb with his dot
Bfa raids legit did 0 dmg on tanks, absolutely nothing
Rastakhan was also shit cuz of his dot
But it was a 10pull boss so its w/e
chrome falcon
Overall it was a free expac for tanking which is probably why fetid was so memorable
Azshara was inhuman levels of tilt though fucking awful boss
strong forum
My reason to like fetid was cuz it's just 3min of sit there twiddling thumbs doing absolutely nothing and getting free loot
Love bosses like tat
Just tank and spank patchwerk
chrome falcon
Sludgefist too
Though I would definitely not want to do that fight as prot I was orange class for that
strong forum
sludge was the perfect prot fight?
like absolutely peak
if not for a 2nd target being slapped you could solo tank him easily
chrome falcon
sure but you'd have to play properly
oof ouch no thanks rather just press barkskin and tab out for 12 seconds
mighty valley
why is "prot war takes so much damage" still a meme
blazing condor
sludge was best fight this xpac
strong forum
cuz people have never seen a good one
also bandwagoning
its easy to hate on smth if everyone else agrees to hate on it
instead of liking it despite people hating on it
blazing condor
also most people dont have the knowledge of the actual class
no one really plays
so if someone says something is bad
especially "higher ups"
strong forum
thats literally 90+% of people who hate on pwar
blazing condor
you believe it
strong forum
its bad cuz im being told its bad
mighty valley
lol lmao
vernal vale
Too many people obsessed with what is MetA
lofty widget
would you guys run OWS above 40 haste?
strong forum
smh, goodstuffe taking almost twice my ehrps
blazing condor
i blame my raid
lofty widget
yh thought as much
strong forum
thats less than half of mine
blazing condor
strong forum
actually no its a little more than half of mine
only 1 scale use?
smh you slacking
blazing condor
noobstuffe
strong forum
that coudlve been a 30k crit for dmg
strong forum
cries in 92
strong forum
eh
blazing condor
8 months in
strong forum
was fun
blazing condor
i loved it
strong forum
so it wasnt painful
blazing condor
dont get me wrong
but like
we had 10+ 0% wipes
we had no DR
no disc priest or whatever
and we would always hit enrage
strong forum
lol
blazing condor
think i might have a kill moment somewhere
strong forum
you had a priest
that wasnt disc?
nani
you already had 2 shamans and a druid for hps
disc wouldve been so much better
blazing condor
trust me
i tried
on our sludge prog i was probably not fun to be around
cus people genuinely didnt care to learn how to maximise the fight and their class
on a literally scripted fight
you can make a document for your entire rotation p much
chrome falcon
on our first sludge kill
blazing condor
and people didnt care and we were always 1% off kill
blazing condor
i had great synergy with my tank on sludge which really helped my mental
we played really well all prog
which i mean it isn't really difficult not to break chains
but still
strong forum
well yeah
thats the whole point
i didnt need SW for myself on sludge
so i just used it for him cuz DH needs to ramp souls
blazing condor
maybe shouldve done that with my dh
aint no "we" in this i let him do his own
which is also why he dies in the end
blazing condor
strong forum
and that purple thing jumping around
mighty valley
purple thing sacrificed everything
strong forum
what a loser
chrome falcon
your preference at that point but i like the finesse
mellow bridge
yea safeguard is what i would take
3 potency feels kinda wasted but ig it's not too bad
blazing condor
safeguard gang
mellow bridge
preemptive strike would be insane if it wasnt capped 
strong forum
its OP in chaos dungeons
sweet summit
wtf is preemptive strike
dusky sentinel
Anyone wanna be a god and send me a site for some awesome m+ routes? Havent really bothered checking for some time but its time to blast my warrior
strong forum
best route is and always will be hold W
dusky sentinel
Yeah but people sometimes find loopholes I like. Nome: Always brother! With the occasional charge keybind 😉
sweet summit
:noted:
median tulip
3 potency feels kinda wasted but ig it's not too bad
I mean, you're playing with the banner and strength buff conduits anyway
hardy flare
😄 im hyped guys i tankd this week my first +20 keys 😄
mellow bridge
poggers
hardy flare
as prot newbie 😄
mellow bridge
gj
smoky warren
I had a question about crit blocking, I see that mastery boosts your critical block chance, but is there a base chance for crit blocking? Or is what you see in your mastery what you get?
chrome falcon
I want to say you have a base 10% chance to crit block but lemme check
sweet summit
I had a question about crit blocking, I see that mastery boosts your critical bl...
you have x% of mastery baseline
that is the base chance for crit blocks
smoky warren
Ohh gotcha, thanks!
chrome falcon
12% is the base
ebon geyser
best route is and always will be hold W
median tulip
With banner and humanoid solvent I can hit 70% crit block, easy. Can you actually get to 100% crit block?
vernal vale
The mastery requirement would probably get stupid high. At that point.
Considering how much banner and humanoid solvent give us already to get where we are.
ebon geyser
I was gonna wait to play until I can get the skip to 60 renown but I am sure 9.2.5 is gonna be a month away
I don't get why we have ptr, send it live is what we do
hollow hill
Does into the fray give you a flat 10% bonus to haste (i.e. 35%->45%) or is it an additional 10% of the value of your haste (i.e. 1100 -> 1210)?
Not sure if my tooltip is wrong but i'm going from 35% haste to 49% with into the fray on
median tulip
I was gonna wait to play until I can get the skip to 60 renown but I am sure 9.2...
Getting 40 Renown is a matter of a few hours
ebon geyser
I mean I can get the skip but I just wanna jump on stuff
median tulip
40 to 80 I mean
ebon geyser
Ok how
slender relic
you basically start at 49
because you do the instant 40 item from the guy by the flgiht path
and then all 3 soulbinds give 2 each
ebon geyser
Because I did kyrian and I was getting 1 renown per turn in
slender relic
then souls and 1k renown quest
median tulip
Callings, LFR
ebon geyser
And I felt I was getting cucked
ebon geyser
Callings, LFR
Lfr
slender relic
they added 20 more renown to the baseline campaign rewards
ebon geyser
I'm scared
median tulip
I'm scared
I mean fair; LFR is harder than normal
slender relic
i did 6 chapters of NF and got to 78 yesterday from 40
ebon geyser
I mean fair; LFR is harder than normal
Lfr is harder than mythic imo
median tulip
The 3 World Bosses give Renown as well, I think
slender relic
LFR vigilant is for sure
ebon geyser
Ok u guys convinced me Necro Boi incoming
median tulip
And then you can just start on tanking baby M+ keys
ebon geyser
And then you can just start on tanking baby M+ keys
I will
I need practice and to shake this fear
median tulip
Pretty certain you can tank +2 in 226 greens from ZM vendor
Might actually try that as a challenge
jagged pier
u can tank higher than that
strong forum
Does into the fray give you a flat 10% bonus to haste (i.e. 35%->45%) or is it a...
haste% is multiplicative
i have 31% haste
but with 5 ITF im at 44%
because your actual haste is 100%
so technically rn im at 131% haste, 144% with 5ITF
all %haste increases work like that, heroism/lust work like that aswell
ebon geyser
Pretty certain you can tank +2 in 226 greens from ZM vendor
I'll try
median tulip
I'll try
Honestly you will probably have a bunch of 233s from ZM pretty quickly just from world quests
cunning viper
top 21, necro 2p ITF shenanigan
hollow hill
haste% is multiplicative
Ahh I see. Thanks for the info!
Sitting at 49% haste currently with 5 ITF which seems pretty crazy
chrome falcon
you can do
it hurts but just press the shield wall you were saving for the explosion in the downstairs phase
and get an external or something
crimson furnace
..quit wow in november, just checked the M+ leader-boards for EU -- 1st prot tank in the list is on 262th place with a MIST 25, timed...what the F happened to us???
mighty valley
we got the bottom of the meta this expansion, ultra pushers aren't picking us, it's fine
strong forum
its almost as if pwar isnt popular
crimson furnace
😢
mighty valley
yeah we're the lowest population tank
and weren't even popular when we were busted
mighty valley
tbh tank balance has been really good since 9.1, but someone still has to be least favored
crimson furnace
is the game play and the pace of the warr still ulta fun and fast?
..was looking into stuff since I might try playing it again...
chrome falcon
almost never been faster
mighty valley
necro especially forces you to play v fast to do well
chilly brook
It's legion levels of fast
crimson furnace
😮
chilly brook
only it's also forcing you to chain pull like a mad man
chilly brook
No hyperbole
it's the best iteration of prot I've played
from a pure gameplay standpoint
chilly brook
some people say it's boring
but it's a major reason why we're so busy
the influx of rage gen is huge
I feel immortal inside banner
and since I'm getting so much rage it just feeds back into tier set
4p is solid, 10% extra damage and DR is always welcome as well as extra outburst procs
crimson furnace
..its sounds fun, ty for the small overview and thoughts
i just might get back into it
ebon geyser
Honestly you will probably have a bunch of 233s from ZM pretty quickly just from...
about that if my main has everything max out will i benefit from anything
median tulip
define "max out"
chrome falcon
it's not as fast at 7.3 legion but 7.3 legion was exhausting so i think this is a good level of fast
vernal vale
it's not as fast at 7.3 legion but 7.3 legion was exhausting so i think this is ...
We need to go faster and faster.
ebon geyser
define "max out"
he has all pocopoc thing unlock and getting max gear from the zone and rev rep but i know that blizzard suck and even is 2022 rep is not account bound
median tulip
If you've got to rev on any character then all your characters can use Unity regardless; my shaman has a 291 Unity and is only hon
chilly brook
it's not as fast at 7.3 legion but 7.3 legion was exhausting so i think this is ...
7.3 legion legit actually hurt to play
But it was also awesome
chrome falcon
it was like it is now
except you had to hit battle cry berserker rage and demo shout shout on cooldown every 20 seconds off the GCD
chilly brook
I still think 7.3 was faster and the IP spam was definitely more intense
thorny solstice
Anyone tested how high you can crit with shield slam & 4pc? could've been a fun pvp cheese if they havent nerfed it in pvp
misty coyote
Yo, convince me that Indomitable is better than Never Surrender. I'm fully on board with Indomitable, been using it all x-pac but I feel like NS just has good potential. Mayeb in like SoA, HoA where there is high magic dam? IDK
mighty valley
You really really really shouldn't be spending enough time at low health that Never Surrender does much of anything
strong forum
thats why
indom makes your HP go up and increases your HP pool
bigger IP isnt worth the loss of actual healing
misty coyote
Gotcha
Only thing that brought it on was this breakdown of my last key
Lots of missed interupts with pug,s 16.4% ios absolutely nothng to scoff at
It's insane actually
strong forum
indom is the reason why you can stay alive without much healer attention
chrome falcon
indom adds a new effect to IP that heals you for 3.5% when you press it
strong forum
^
misty coyote
Gotcha gotcha
strong forum
easiest thing is to play NS and then youd notice it heavily i bet
cuz youre already overcapping IP like a motherfucker with tier before it gets depleted
since you spam it so much with 4p
misty coyote
Makes sense
strong forum
actively making you lose value of NS since it doesnt increase cap, just makes every IP cast bigger
THAT BEING SAID
they should buff IP
chrome falcon
if IP cap wasnt like 10% of our max hp it might be interesting but
chrome falcon
Ignore Pain? More like Ignore All The Text On This Tooltip Apart From "Costs 35 Rage"
vernal vale
Hahaha
chrome falcon
strong forum
pretty accurate
strong forum
THAT BEING SAID, when its being spammed this much
it does provide a substantial increase to surv
misty coyote
55% DR of Half Damage...so like
22.,5% DR?
such a weirdly worded spell lmao
Just trying to be a better war lol
chrome falcon
it will prevent 11.5k damage
it will just prevent that damage over the course of 23k damage taken
misty coyote
Never looked at the nitty gritty
chrome falcon
so if you took a 23k hit you would lose the whole IP and reduce that damage by half
chrome falcon
if you took 11.5k damage, it would half the damage it 5.75k
and then do that again if you took another 11.5k damage
misty coyote
So condensed anima sphere is better then
Or would Fuled be beter?
(assuming taking SG/UF)
chrome falcon
condensed is fine
your third endurance conduit is basically irrelevant but condensed is nice and passive will do like 10-15% of your healing
brutal vit might be better but it's almost impossible to even figure that out
misty coyote
Would it be better ot just take a 3rd potency
chrome falcon
third potency is also basically irrelevant
our conduits suck!
if you need to take third potency go AAF
chrome falcon
juggernaut
our execute hits harder than arms
and we have more rage to spam it with
misty coyote
Oh my
shut summit
brutal vit might be better but it's almost impossible to even figure that out
can just query damage done with ignore pain up
chrome falcon
brutal vit doesn't go after the cap not sure how you'd check that
shut summit
yea there'd be some mashing prolly but still decent idea
chrome falcon
it's definitely better now than it ever has been, probably good on rygelon and lords with the dots there
shut summit
brutal vit woulda been 1.2mil more ip in the 22 theater im looking at, fueled by violence woulda been like 531k heals
assuming ip isnt wasted etc
misty coyote
To backtrack adn piggyback off that statement-
chrome falcon
if it actually pans out in practice
misty coyote
Ashen, AD, or SoF
PV feels mandatory cause of the rage regen alone almost
Insane healing and dam output that it gives you, imo
chrome falcon
it would probably depend what you're doing
ashen jugg tears up bosses/big fortified mobs
but if stuff is dying before you can stack it, sof might do more...? sof sucks though
misty coyote
AAF?
chrome falcon
no TC sucks
strong forum
"very little*
misty coyote
That's a meme right? I get that SS does like 30k on crits
strong forum
m8
chrome falcon
5 rage and like 4 damage
misty coyote
But the AoE potential of a 12k on l8+ mobs is insane
strong forum
^
chrome falcon
your meter only looks like that because you're playing incorrectly
revenge should be way higher
but your rage is lower because you're not SSing
so you have fewer avatars
misty coyote
Ahh
strong forum
the extra rage you get from outburst SS
is more dmg from revenge
than outburst TC would be
misty coyote
That makes a lot fo sense
blazing condor
preach
strong forum
chrome falcon
enjoy revenge
ebon geyser
i know the answer is gonna be everything but is there any macros i need or any buttons that are not needed
chrome falcon
the only situation you would outburst TC imo is if you're pulling a pack where you cannot drop threat for a second, your dps are popping CDs, and you don't have challenging shout or ravager
(or if you fuck up)
blazing condor
i know the answer is gonna be everything but is there any macros i need or any b...
charge/intervene macro is what you should have
hamstring and whirlwind is what you shouldnt have
chrome falcon
hey i pressed hamstring once or twice this expansion on fatescribe
hamstring is trying
median tulip
Is the 30% chance of Revenge procing a Shield Slam reset per target hit? Because it seems way higher than the listed value
misty coyote
I'm now a Ravager enjoyer huh?
chrome falcon
... were you not before?
misty coyote
Never have been
median tulip
I mean, ITF is ok...
chrome falcon
and remember with revenge zetakya you're autoing at the same time which is another 30% proc
so if you hit revenge twice you've had 3 or 4 rolls to proc SS already
median tulip
and remember with revenge zetakya you're autoing at the same time which is anoth...
True, true
median tulip
If only BV wasn't up against BSC
chrome falcon
just be careful not to waste a shitmillion rage
amber herald
median tulip
BSC
misty coyote
That's what I've been doing, wanted to make sure my life wasn't in danger
blazing condor
BV with tier???
misty coyote
4 set
chrome falcon
BSC is more damage
misty coyote
That's waht I thought
misty coyote
Just figure I'd ask. Been using it forever lol
chrome falcon
it's pretty marginal so if you really wanted you could play BV on tyrannical
blazing condor
gl hf
chrome falcon
main thing to focus on is never ever outburst TC
revenge needs to be top source of damage
lofty widget
and here i was pushing keys with BV 😦
ebon geyser
charge/intervene macro is what you should have
hamstring and whirlwind is what y...
no memes plz lol i wanna make sure im top shape lol
blazing condor
no memes plz lol i wanna make sure im top shape lol
Not even meming
Thats all you need to know
lofty widget
yeah it feels better for maintaining banner
blazing condor
Good to get a wa that shows shield block uptime as well
chilly brook
@vernal vale logs look generally fine, blocked hits could be better. Your shield slam casts seem like they're on point the amount you had on Desausage is insane
lofty widget
and i didnt notice any big dps loss from bsc anyway
ebon geyser
Not even meming
anything i shouldnt bother to put in bars
chilly brook
@vernal vale got about 300 wasted rage on artificer
wasted ~100 on every other boss
blazing condor
anything i shouldnt bother to put in bars
Hamstring and whirlwind
I genuinely think i have everything else on my bars, and use it
vernal vale
<@167799819555831808> logs look generally fine, blocked hits could be better. Yo...
Thanks for looking. Pally lost threat multiple times or wouldn't move boss so i would taunt to make it move.
Confirmed my blocked hits need work still. Actively attempting to improve this by not hitting SB when I am not actively tanking so I always have charges when I get boss.
median tulip
That "press shield block" reflex is a bugger, isn't it?
vernal vale
Yeah, it's a bad habit. I've gotten my revenge over ignore pain to be better. Though I still have lots of room for improvement.
Its why I'm actively spending time here to absorb more information and have people better than I am critique how I'm doing
Thanks again for taking the time @chilly brook
dark lark
When soaking Rygelon cores, it's listed as physical damage but I'm assuming it's not blockable, right? Do I just hold Shield Wall for those? Would Demo Shouting boss work?
misty coyote
@strong forum Like 13k per mob
strong forum
<@192743144276623360> Like 13k per mob
not per mob, i mean overall of a dungeon
rep
misty coyote
4.3m
median tulip
On Patheon, is humbling strikes completely unblockable?
strong forum
dps
misty coyote
103k
strong forum
i want your overall dps
misty coyote
10.3*
misty coyote
Low?
chrome falcon
uh
strong forum
11-13 ye
misty coyote
kk
strong forum
in pump keys 14k+
chrome falcon
but 10.3 for not running ravagar is
misty coyote
Very bad key as well
strong forum
no its 10.3k for using outbursts on TC
oblique garnet
I just press buttons 🙂
chrome falcon
yeah
chrome falcon
i dunno that's higher than i expected
strong forum
i mean if i can do 8k without ANY tier
chrome falcon
maybe i'll try just always TCing on 5 targets in an 18 or something and see what happens
misty coyote
I usually get aroudn 12k Overall
strong forum
even if used on the wrong ability
chrome falcon
you use SS on cooldown
uncut notch
Trying to implement the tips you guys gave me is crazy hard
strong forum
using outburst on TC in aoe isnt bad persé, when i changed APL to prio TC outburst in aoe the dmg didnt change at all
uncut notch
Overcoming bad habits is gonna take aaaaaaaages
strong forum
but m+ is more versatile than just "perma 5 target"
oblique garnet
using outburst on TC in aoe isnt bad persé, when i changed APL to prio TC outbur...
Ofc it doesnt because tc has chance to proc ss
strong forum
ya but you still miss out on 2 additional revenge casts
chrome falcon
and 3 seconds on your next avatar
strong forum
those 2 revenge will make it so you break even with the TC cast but you spent more rage for more outburst stacks and AM
get 3 globals for the price of 1
chrome falcon
huh humbling strikes isn't blockable gonna be honest i didn't know that
median tulip
huh humbling strikes isn't blockable gonna be honest i didn't know that
Thanks. I thought I was fucking up badly for a while.
chrome falcon
feels a little rude that we can't block that but hey
shut summit
prot warr in a nutshell
oblique garnet
Aint that the truth
chrome falcon
yeah that's a tombstone quote
median tulip
It's probably just that we would make that entire mechanic trivial if we could block it
chrome falcon
my BDK seemingly parried both in the last phase and it didn't pulse any aoe damage on the raid
oblique garnet
Isnt that the one dk immunes?
chrome falcon
or at least that's our best guess on wtf was happening
oblique garnet
With ams
chrome falcon
oh
oblique garnet
Yep
strong forum
🙂
median tulip
my BDK seemingly parried both in the last phase and it didn't pulse any aoe dama...
Really? Hmmm. I wonder what would happen if an Arms Warrior Intervened while using DBTS
oblique garnet
Warrior takes damage
chrome falcon
pretty good tier for AMS i guess just afk in MULTIPLE xymox rings too
oblique garnet
Yes
shut summit
🙃
lost seal
pog
chrome falcon
told my bdk that at least one of us would need NF for xymox and he was just like "nah it's cool dw :)"
strong forum
Ams is allowed to ignore mechanics
But Sr?
Nah fam
Remember when bdk was the only tank that could reset necrotic without kiting or bubble?
chrome falcon
Remember when bdk was the only tank that could do fucking anything?
legion m+ tank balance was a trip
but at least back then people in pugs didn't care as much as they do now
strong forum
I was in my casual bubble and didn't know anything about m+ meta
I didn't even know logging was a thing until bfa pre-patch
chrome falcon
zoomeratur
chrome falcon
legion m+ meta was literally pull 200 mobs and cc lock aoe them down which meant the only viable tank for really pushing/rushing keys was bdk because mass grip was fuckin stupid
strong forum
I know that, I've watched every single mdi
And high keys
But I never got into the whole meta thing
That always eluded me
chrome falcon
p3 starts when there are 3 pillars in any position
so breaking whatever is closest/joint closest to the middle is what you need to do
can't stop it forever, you get 2 shatters every time he makes 3 new pillars (i think?), but you can delay it a good long while
uncut notch
made a weakaura that pings when at 75% rage
holy fuck
the difference this has made
as well as just slowing down spear and ravager, not just bombing one on the other
waiting 1-2gcd makes all the difference
Lots more IP's. Ive doubled my total hps
chrome falcon
out of curiosity can you post your UI
also you should be fine slamming spear and ravager as long as you're mashing IP at the same time
because you definitely don't want to intentionally delay power spells like spears and ravager
uncut notch
out of curiosity can you post your UI
nah im offline - but its a fairly standard elvui grid set up
chrome falcon
where's your health/rage relative to the middle of the screen
uncut notch
where's your health/rage relative to the middle of the screen
Rage is now like, mid mid mid
chrome falcon
because you should be able to play the game effectively while just staring at your rage bar
wicked ridge
😴
median tulip
I gotta be honest; my health bar is not actually particularly useful information for my decision making in a fight
It's not like I can directly do anything about it, after all. The only thing I can do is spend more rage, which I was going to do anyway
chrome falcon
yeah i dunno i've never bought that line of thinking
uncut notch
I gotta be honest; my health bar is not actually particularly useful information...
Ehhhh depends on the affix
strong forum
Well it helps to determine if you can live a mechanic coming up without the use of CDs or not
chrome falcon
you have healthstones and health potions
uncut notch
you have healthstones and health potions
Agreed
scenic mural
Yeah i definitely see my HP
uncut notch
Kiting and movements, cc’s, stuns
median tulip
you have healthstones and health potions
My screen border flashes red when I should use those
chrome falcon
that made me shudder deep in my soul
scenic mural
https://tenor.com/view/liar-why-the-fuck-you-lyin-dancing-why-the-fuck-why-are-you-lying-gif-7431053
chrome falcon
this isn't modern warfare 2
sick sentinel
wrath infinity use hp potion for alchs plz
uncut notch
this isn't modern warfare 2
I wish I could laugh react this
chrome falcon
like i'll agree that you don't need to know what your health is literally 100% of the time
sick sentinel
it was that or cata, and i remember tanking/doing LFG with that
chrome falcon
on the majority of pulls it's not going to be relevant information
but uhh definitely something you want to have access to when you need it
uncut notch
I monitor it so I can adjust my play on the fly like
median tulip
I am slightly exaggerating
uncut notch
Am I getting shredded? Time to move
If you wait til redflash you’re already dead imho
chrome falcon
yeah i get what you mean but
a surprising amount of dps these days are like "yeah i don't have my health bar on my screen"
and i'm just like... please never try to join my raid team
or any raid team
median tulip
Eh, to be honest, if you're a DPS in a +20 your heath bar has 2 states: Alive and Dead
uncut notch
Eh, to be honest, if you're a DPS in a +20 your heath bar has 2 states: Alive an...
Speaking of
Fuck shadow well
Why the fuck is that so hurty
median tulip
Oh I fucking hate those Shadow wells
chrome falcon
yeah literally the only thing in NW that requires active use of brain cells and motor functions
i should probably make a weakaura that screams whenever that's casting
uncut notch
It’s the only thing I slightly dislike about an otherwise amazing dungeon
Had a fun bug in SD yesterday where the chain guys didn’t root
They just followed you
median tulip
When I play Arms in there I enjoy the game of "Drain fluids is going off! I'm incapped" presses Berserker Rage "anyway"
uncut notch
You couldn’t break the chains because they’d just chase you down
sick sentinel
best trick for final boss NW is when you get to the falling ice, everyone runs to seperate corner and run around in medium circle
really fuck people up leave a giant lane of it
uncut notch
best trick for final boss NW is when you get to the falling ice, everyone runs t...
I’ve never seen the point of this
sick sentinel
its because other players walk on it and get screwed
uncut notch
You can literally just make little circles on the spot
Not even 2 paces in any direction and you’re clear
median tulip
the comet storm might as well be subtitled "here is a prime opportunity to get distance for a charge"
uncut notch
Or a spicy forbidden intervene
median tulip
Or a spicy forbidden intervene
It annoys the hell outta me how Heroic Leap just doesn't fucking work in that necropolis though
sick sentinel
my grievances are tiny, numerous, and nobody cares anyway lol
just a whole lot of tiny crap that annoys me to point of give up
dark lark
For Heroic Rygelon, does demo shouting boss work on reducing the gravitational soak damage or is it considered environmental? Otherwise I could probably shield wall/fleshcraft with IP right
I'm assuming that because it's physical, spell reflect doesn't work and shield block doesn't work
urban portal
You should def flesh and ip
Might as well Sr but check the guide
Shield block shouldn't work
Demo shout probably works
chrome falcon
It’s physical so please don’t SR
dark lark
Sense spreadsheet says block/sr doesn't work
dark lark
Ok, just checking what I have in my toolkit for it
chrome falcon
Anyway DS should work
It’s the core itself casting though not the boss
Having said that it does at the end of the cast so it’s a bit of a guess really
dark lark
It’s the core itself casting though not the boss
Exactly that's why I wasn't sure
chrome falcon
Does die* at the end
dapper swift
Question - For m+ Should I keep 252 pocket protoforge or a 262 anima field emitter trinket? Finally got a codex
chrome falcon
Uhh emitter I guess?
dapper swift
thats wat i thought but wasnt sure if the low proc for more absorb had value over the haste. goes to waste alot when im kiting
chrome falcon
Don’t kite
dapper swift
xD rip me
cinder nova
Yep.
dapper swift
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F9uvoGB-ME
sigh
sweet summit
tanks 👏 do 👏 not 👏 belong 👏 in 👏 pvp👏
dapper swift
tanks 👏 do 👏 not 👏 belong 👏 in 👏 pvp👏
❤️
urban kindle
Guys, the covenant legendary it says craft for waist/ring, which one slot is pref?
dapper swift
Alot of ppl using waist
sweet summit
head is ideal, but you need 4 set in the other slots for that
and waist is a great 2nd option
urban kindle
and just haste/vers right
sweet summit
yeah
misty coyote
@strong forum Alrighty there BUB
I tried ur tricks magic man, I don't get it lol
misty coyote
228 Casts! 281 Shield slams lol
I REVENGED my bois
I had... 26 Casts of Ravager, means I missed a few of them. 23:48 key, Used 19:30 of Ravager. That's a bit of rage, still confused
vocal geode
more revenge
oblique garnet
@sweet summit look at my banner uptime 📉
vocal geode
🤏
timber dagger
scenic mural
228 Casts! 281 Shield slams lol
Tbf this isn’t a lot of revenge casts
misty coyote
More revenge, ty
oblique garnet
@sweet summit honestly pretty surprised how beefy prot felt with seismic given that i have pretty bad shield
sweet summit
ya necro kinda owns
oblique garnet
@sweet summit did you happen to log either of the keys we did?
sick sentinel
for keys where you run seismic (aka low keys just trying to pad as much dmg lmao) is BSC or BV better with 4 set?
oblique garnet
BSC
neat harbor
Evening guys, have a quick question: Why aren't daggers more popular as a weapon option for prot? Doesn't that synergize with proccing more shield slams, or did Blizzard somehow normalize the PPM for weapon speed?
misty coyote
Daggers don't have str
scenic mural
they are literally not on our loot table
misty coyote
^ Also this
neat harbor
Those are both good answers.
Since when, out of curiosity?
could we still loot daggers in Bfa?
misty coyote
No, I don't think. That's a google question sorry my friend
Anyone decent with WA's wanna help me set up a glow macro in Afrenar's ui for Raveger?
distant crystal
since personal loot existed p sure
misty coyote
I can add a glow to almost every button but this one specifically is blehg
neat harbor
Sorry, I'm still on about the dagger thing.. so you can't loot them, but I assume they can still be traded to you?
neat harbor
so like a 1.80 dagger with shield slam proc rate, anyone tested that?
oblique garnet
Not worth the str loss
upper spoke
Just completed "A new deal," the quest that wants you to collect 150 protplasmic plasma. Are any of these trinkets any good?
neat harbor
yeah I assumed normalized, would be interesting to know for sure tho
distant crystal
it'd probably sim correctly
upper spoke
249 trinkets, increased to 262 in pvp
neat harbor
How are the prot sims these days Waat, we finally have a DPS sim?
distant crystal
ye
distant crystal
i was simming in bfa, idk about the status before then
neat harbor
gonna sim a 1.8 rq
distant crystal
dagger sims a 650dps loss
vs same ilvl slow str weap
seems kinda...large for a 52str loss
i wonder if there's spells we can't use without a slow 1h
strong forum
Isnt it smth like 5% mainstat loss cuz you're not using gear you're supposed to
Or was that only for armor
distant crystal
i thought that was only armor
i think ppl were using diver's folly's with some success on str classes
but that's a slow axe
strong forum
Actually it makes perfect sense to lose 650 dps
Cuz you lose AFFUCKLOAD of weapon dmg
neat harbor
revenge yeah
strong forum
In favour for atk speed
neat harbor
losing revenge dmg
strong forum
Your dmg of attacks
Of SS
TC
Revenge
And execute
Will all be lower hits
For the favour of faster melee attack speed
distant crystal
that might not really be a thing for specs that use a fixed weapon speed typically
neat harbor
ahh right, they changed it back
strong forum
Yup
oblique garnet
i think ppl were using diver's folly's with some success on str classes
Folly was cracked tho
distant crystal
i don't think there's any variation in weapon speed anymore
among same-class of weaps
strong forum
DAGGER VS AXE IS
distant crystal
like i think all daggers are 1.8 all str 1h's are 2.6
strong forum
That's the point being argued
distant crystal
all 2h are 3.8
yeah that's why they ditched the normalizin'
just agreeing :p
might still have some wdps based stuff for like
frost dk and ww/brm monks
since they can use diff speed weaps
strong forum
I'd guess it's cuz they get to use 2 that it uses a coefficient for weapon dmg
oblique garnet
oblique garnet
So it should be even more of an dps loss
distant crystal
surprised it's only revenge tho
neat harbor
you can't press revenj with a dagger equipped
LOL, well that settles that
Pretty sure that's not covered under the 'Warriors can use all kinds of weapons' class intro 😄
distant crystal
59 gold well spent
neat harbor
Blizz gonna have to update the literature