No
#protection
strong forum
craggy pilot
in packs etc
strong forum
You just don't block
craggy pilot
just stun at the correct times?
strong forum
And kill instead
strong forum
Like if you're gonna go kiting with seismic, you might aswell not play seismic
craggy pilot
but for weekly +15 its doable?
west walrus
The idea of dps, is to kill mobs before they kill you 
strong forum
Ofc it's doable in +15
limpid pawn
for 20+, HoA timer seems really tight
dawn canyon
never change it up 
dawn canyon
jagged pier
i dont
blazing condor
just do it mid pull with sb up then?
lofty widget
i just do it when i need an extra defensive or whatever
blazing condor
:T
jagged pier
u dont have to full cast for the mastery
u can just tap
actually i could be wrong
i dunno
🤷
blazing condor
makes sense
feels like most abilties proc in the beginning of another cast
not after a channel
chrome falcon
nope you just tap for mastery
uncut notch
ngl
i was a kyrian purist
and i cant do anywhere close to the dps i do as kyr as necro
but banner makes me feel like a fucking freak
ebon geyser
I'm back kiddos
uncut notch
i wanna listen to death metal and punch things
austere forum
So are more and more ppl splitting Necro and Kyrian for raid? Which do you prefer?
chilly brook
but banner makes me feel like a fucking freak
it legit forces you out of your comfort
which is good
blazing condor
does it tho isnt it just spam more rage
chilly brook
makes you a better tank and makes you set a better pace for keys
blazing condor
or am i misremembering
chilly brook
does it tho isnt it just spam more rage
kinda
specifically it makes you chain
a lot
uncut notch
Thoughts as a total scrub
Its tricky with aggro
spear was VERY good for just oneshot 999% threat on everything
blazing condor
tbh tho yeah spear was nice
uncut notch
and the damage loss is very bigly
blazing condor
if you play with a fury warr its not uncommon he hogs aggro a bit
but i havent had aggro issues as necro yet
uncut notch
fleshcraft is very awkward to use
vernal vale
I've never had any aggro issues as necro.
uncut notch
tbf im 90% sure i was getting trolled by my group a little
chilly brook
uncut notch
Surv hunter ripping 60k with no MD up or whatever
austere forum
Is revenge our main aoe Aggro ability?
vernal vale
This k its all about how you open and if the dps are rushing ahead of you.
blazing condor
challenging shout 😎
uncut notch
challenging shout 😎
one per 4 mins tho
median tulip
Like @uncut notch says, it's not overall aggro that worries me, it's snap aggro at the start of an M+ pull when my Fury friend bursts like crazy
chilly brook
more revenge=more shield slam resets
uncut notch
like it wasnt a problem per say
Its just like, ive gone from literally never worrying
vernal vale
Ravager
chilly brook
Like <@!378276775920140299> says, it's not overall aggro that worries me, it's s...
your fury friend should give you a few seconds
vernal vale
You can honestly suffer a use of Thunderclap to help with threat
median tulip
your fury friend should give you a few seconds
Have you, like... met a Fury Warrior? 😆
chilly brook
Have you, like... **met** a Fury Warrior? 😆
I am one
The sad thing is I do wait until like a ramp or two
and still rip aggro
chilly brook
Why do you think I'm back to tanking again
uncut notch
but ive gone from 9-10k average as kyr to around 7-8
median tulip
I feel overall that snap threat is a weakness of ours.
uncut notch
But i was a kyr main for all of 9.1 and have done precisely 2 keys as necro
median tulip
I always have to let the pally cotank take first aggro in raids, as his snap aggro is way more than mine
chilly brook
but ive gone from 9-10k average as kyr to around 7-8
for reference this was my first key back as a tank and first key as necro
press
more
revenge
oblique garnet
I dont think warrior should struggle with aggro
vernal vale
but ive gone from 9-10k average as kyr to around 7-8
My difference in dps between NF. KYR, and Necro isn't that substantial in the grand scheme of things.
uncut notch
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/689969250273722413/961706467579281408/unk...
what key is this please? dungie and level
chilly brook
what key is this please? dungie and level
15 mists
chilly brook
rep
uncut notch
wat
sweet summit
i agree with late
i play with a mongo fuck fury warrior
hate him so much
but aggro usually isn't a problem unless i fuck up
jagged pier
I dont think warrior should struggle with aggro
it doesnt
sweet summit
and if it is we have intervene
chilly brook
if you think you're hitting revenge enough
median tulip
I am forever intervening on the Fury warrior
uncut notch
i did 308 revenj in a pf16
chilly brook
uncut notch
whew lad 400 in my SD earlier
chilly brook
whew lad 400 in my SD earlier
erga did 546 in a 24 PF
uncut notch
jeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeesus
chilly brook
i don't have any personal logs to pull from I don't think
sweet summit
halls+23
15.8 cpm
430 total casts
jagged pier
546 in a dos i did the other day
ebon geyser
i play with a mongo fuck fury warrior
ROFLMAO this made my day ty
ebon geyser
546 in a dos i did the other day
uncut notch
how are we working out cpm pls
are you just cast/total time
or is it in logs
cant see it
sweet summit
player -> casts
chrome falcon
Yeah once every 6 seconds is crazy low
uncut notch
feels like i pop it as much as i can but clearly room to speed it up
Another thing - your HPS is way way high at 4.5-5k
how are you getting it that high?
I fairly consistently kick around 3-4
chilly brook
Another thing - your HPS is way way high at 4.5-5k
trying not to overcap rage
and running fueled by violence
median tulip
Jesus Halls trash hurts
vernal vale
and running fueled by violence
Are you actually running fueled by violence?
I thought it didn't provide much if anything.
chilly brook
Are you actually running fueled by violence?
I have 3 endurance slots what else am I going to put in there
vernal vale
Fair enough lol
chilly brook
although with how much IP you end up spamming/getting from set
and the huge rage of banner
it probably actually amounts to a sizeable amount of absorb over the long run
vernal vale
Brutal vitality was what I ran season1 when I was playing even more casual than I do now.
chilly brook
oh wait
sorry fueled by violence was the wrong one
I'm using the one that adds to IP
from your dam
vernal vale
All good lol. As I said ran brutal vitality during nathria when I was in a normal only guild so my wife could try out raiding.
chilly brook
Stalwart, Unnerving and Brutal
vernal vale
She didn't like it now I'm pushing back to higher tier play.
vernal vale
Stalwart, Unnerving and Brutal
I run condensed anima over brutal more often than not.
Less reliant on how well I'm actually playing.
chilly brook
I'd have to log keys to see the difference in the two in real applications
but at least in the 15 I felt like Brutal Vitality was very noticeable
vernal vale
I think pika recommended brutal vitality at one point.
Would have to go look at his videos on YouTube to check again.
mighty valley
The early conduit rankings were pretty feelycrafty
chilly brook
yea I'd like to see the difference between the two in logs
but from what I did yesterday brutal vitality seemed to be doing a lot of work
vernal vale
Hey sometimes what feels good to you can work out. Especially since none of us are robots who push buttons exactly the same.
mighty valley
I'm gonna miss this prot next patch
vernal vale
Especially when the numbers are actually close together.
chilly brook
I'm gonna miss this prot next patch
I was saying that this morning
I love this iteration so much
And that's the worst part
Knowing that it's gone in 10.0
mighty valley
But feels like the game is due an overhaul... seems to be roughly every three expansions there's a big shift
vernal vale
My only hope for 10.0 is to being gladiator dps back
mighty valley
So I'm vaguely optimistic we won't go back to "now, but minus cool stuff"
mighty valley
My only hope for 10.0 is to being gladiator dps back
i would put these foolish ambitions to rest
(elden ring joke)
severely doubt they'll ever try prot dps again
chilly brook
median tulip
I don't think it's a coincidence that Warrior is feeling good again when for the first time since the end of BfA we have a working feedback loop
vernal vale
i would put these foolish ambitions to rest
Will never happen its the most fun I've ever had.
chilly brook
I don't think it's a coincidence that Warrior is feeling good again when for the...
feedback loop is like the heart of this class
and this is the best one we've had tbh
chilly brook
yea
banner gives rage
we spend rage
which in turn extends banner
and gives CDs faster
which makes banner even better
mighty valley
that plus AM and revenge giving SS procs all add up to a cool engine
chilly brook
TLDR, when the game actively rewards you for playing well it's fun
mighty valley
it does kind of mean prot is among the least intuitive tanks to pick up
which is weird for the historic "basic ass tank" spec
at least, not intuitive based on the questions we always get from new wars in here
median tulip
To be fair, Urh helps a lot
chilly brook
even if we didn't have urh the feedback loop is insane
and you can easily extend banner for the full CD and longer
median tulip
If you still have it up when you reuse it does it add onto the duration or just replace?
mighty valley
urh does make it more likely you can activate with dps who care about it
chilly brook
If you still have it up when you reuse it does it add onto the duration or just ...
not sure tbh didn't pay that much attention
I was running heirmir so I had like no reason to press the button again unless DPS had CDs
mighty valley
i gotta sim marileth vs heirmir for me, just been defaulting to marileth
also heirmir has some unclear path choices
chilly brook
Mari is honestly the better option
vernal vale
Heirmir Sims higher foe me but it doesn't feel as clean to play.
craggy pilot
clean?
vernal vale
The dim is also only like 200 more dps
chilly brook
higher depsite 3p and 3e on marileth?
vernal vale
can you feel a difference? 🤣
No kevin
chilly brook
Cuz you'd probably sim either very close or higher with marileth with ashen jugg
vernal vale
Think bloodmallet Sims it higher as well.
Might just be a wonky Sim for some reason but that's beyond me.
chilly brook
Heirmir Sims higher foe me but it doesn't feel as clean to play.
Yea Marileth sims higher for me
by like 219
plus it's kinda a better well rounded soulbind
blazing condor
did a gambit where we went first boss directly with wo on first pull
is that even meta
oblique garnet
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/r8GLjBb7tPpCM7Bo3FhRja
Yikes
oblique garnet
246 shield
blazing condor
also is sin stained still dungeon bis or is gambit neck better cus vers
but with lower haste
chilly brook
246 shield
oh I have 272 now
that's just an old string
first dungeon I did dropped me a shield
🙂
chilly brook
Took me forever but ksm aquired 😎
best tank alive
tanks could
but you're already getting slapped
so why would you
assign DPS with huge defensives or immunes
you don't have paladins, rogues, hunters or mages in your group at all?
no shot you don't have any of those classes in your raid
oblique garnet
Why would you not soak it as a tank🤔
chilly brook
Why would you not soak it as a tank🤔
why not put immunes on it
we're talking about the orb in p1
not the ones that need to be soaked after dying in the shadow phase
oblique garnet
Yeah
chilly brook
idk it makes like 100000% more sense to just put immune on it
oblique garnet
They dont do much damage
dapper coral
What is the big selling point of Marileth over Heirmir? I assume Kevin's +6% damage for 40sec largely
For DPS*
chilly brook
What is the big selling point of Marileth over Heirmir? I assume Kevin's +6% da...
Triple potency, Kevin, better defensively
chrome falcon
soaking core was scary as fuck with low gear
chilly brook
You get 3p and 3e
chrome falcon
but now you can do it with an external or smth
chrome falcon
you take 5% less magic damage for most of the key
because fleshcraft passive from mechanical (urh) gives that
median tulip
Is there a list of Marileth's fleshcraft buffs?
distant crystal
chilly brook
We are in the afterlife
Don’t even need to fleshcraft to get them either
Most of them you just get by walking over the body
distant crystal
you just need fleshcraft to be on cd
chilly brook
But the mastery one is applied every time you craft
distant crystal
when you're near a corpse
median tulip
Thanks
vernal vale
when you're near a corpse
Pretty sure you always get the humanoid one just for pushing it as you are humanoid.
distant crystal
ye
median tulip
suddenly I'm motivated to kill one of those giants in gambit for the buff
distant crystal
livin' large
vernal vale
suddenly I'm motivated to kill one of those giants in gambit for the buff
dps like to pull extra anyways so just pull one and blame the dps for not paying attention
median tulip
xD
urban portal
Pretty sure you always get the humanoid one just for pushing it as you are human...
you know that wasnt a thing in 9.0
fun fact
vernal vale
yeah in 9.0 fleshcraft stopped you from blocking too if i remember correctly
median tulip
9.0 Flashcraft was pretty terribly designed
mighty valley
9.0 Banner was also so much weaker
median tulip
well and it was static
mighty valley
God the movespeed floor is such a quiet champion on the buff
Just cannot be slowed, ever, sorry
hollow hill
I don't think she's recommended at all
chilly brook
emeni bad
chilly brook
emeni encourages you to full channel fleshcraft on CD
uncut notch
been using bonesmith and having a lot of fun
chilly brook
which kinda hurts
because that's time you're not spending rage
also kind trolly ability it pops off being healed
so like 60% of it just gets wasted
and she's just not better than Marileth
uncut notch
Loving the DR of banner
Excited to try it with Avatar 4pc
going to be so gooooooood
if you Str pot its a 50% flat DR hahah
chilly brook
banner has no DR
uncut notch
banner has no DR
+22% strength -> Vanguard right?
chilly brook
unless you're talking armor gain through strength from conduit
uncut notch
chilly brook
but that's kinda feelycraft and also not as good as you think
uncut notch
wat
chilly brook
since armor is affected by k value
and it only applies to melee/shoot and some abilities
chilly brook
Like banner absolutely makes you more tanky
chilly brook
but that has a lot to do with more mastery meaning more crit block as well as just the sheer influx of rage
uncut notch
chilly brook
when we're drowning in rage we're super tanky
hollow hill
can i have that WA? i'm curious about it lol
median tulip
I'm very much not optimised and with banner and the fleshcraft buff I have 65% crit block
mighty valley
armor is better than it seems, it mathematically has diminishing returns but the increase of Time Until Dead is pretty linear
tulip kelp
Is there any abilities you don't use as prot? Setting up bars now
mighty valley
whirlwind outside of v niche gimmick
vernal vale
whirlwind
vernal vale
i never actually find myself using hamstring in dungeons or raid anymore
mighty valley
devastate since we always run devastator... although I've left in on my bar all expansion in case we ever stop
tulip kelp
Yeah hamstring seems super shit now a days... I'm used to the 50% slow
Wait is it still 50? lol
mighty valley
we're just so mobile already and passively slowing everything a little with TC
vernal vale
if you really need to put some distance shockwave and leap are available
median tulip
hamstringing a purely melee mob and then charging something else is actually a good level of mitigation
balmy narwhal
Hey guys, I don't seem to have access to acherus discord for unknown reasons. But would you happen to know the answer to this question: For Rygelon, the active mitigation against corrupted strikes: is it just having bone shield up?
urban portal
You should use mytliple mitigations
Because the dot is based on how much unmitigated damage you take
Meaning rune tap
chilly brook
armor is better than it seems, it mathematically has diminishing returns but the...
sure but when you say "Oh I have 50% DR from armor"
that's not how it works
it changes as soon as you target a M+ mob
it's not nearly that good
median tulip
Huh. That's fun. Elegy of the Eternals will reconfigure to Mastery when banner increases the secondary stat above Haste
mighty valley
sure but when you say "Oh I have 50% DR from armor"
oh yeah for sure, that tab is near useless these days in terms of numbers accuracy
since it's not just level any more
uncut notch
can i have that WA? i'm curious about it lol
@ me tomorrow and I’ll send it - if you listen to Kublai Khan - the hammer it’s approx 00:25 to 00:35
chilly brook
Armor is fine
I'm just making the point that DR from armor is not nearly as simple as just saying that "yo banner armor from strength is what's making me tanky"
uncut notch
K value is not fine
Sorry - K value?
brazen tusk
I think in layman's terms, it's how hard your face gets smacked in keys
uncut notch
Argh this is making me headscratch
I’m trying to dump mastery in favour of verse
But talk of critblock makes me feel like that’s a mistake
But from the conversation earlier I’m chasing the final 1% stat gains when gameplay changes will yield 20% gains
median tulip
No stats will ever save you from bad play
uncut notch
My Guildies have been poking me for low verse
But my stats are about the same as plka
% at least…
In terms of split anyway, about 15% verse, c40% mastery etc
cinder pasture
I've got 2% vers in prot
uncut notch
But obvs he’s way better than me
It makes me scratch my head watching him/sense take zero damage or at least it looks like that…
cinder pasture
I basically just equip highst ilvl, take whatever stats that is
median tulip
I don't even pay attention to Vers. I've got about 10% purely because it came on some Haste items
and yeah, tier first, then ilvl, then haste. You can shade away from ilvl on items that don't have PriStat
uncut notch
Got my 3/4 from lfr today so 100% getting 4 set on reset
Cannot wait
Should be able to sort 20s next week
Affix looks hilarious too - storming sanguine, cake walk…
median tulip
Gonna spend most of next week in Legion TBQH
urban portal
Sorry - K value?
Some complicated crap that makes your shield weaker if you do harder content
uncut notch
Some complicated crap that makes your shield weaker if you do harder content
Ahh, artificial difficulty then
Doesn’t increase the challenge it just uses sliders to make things harder
uncut notch
I find it so funny that like
You get okay at the game, time 10 keys comfortably
You do a bit of research, practice, and time 15s
You’re then upper percentile of players
Better than most
median tulip
over half of the playerbase never even sets foot in a Mythic 0
uncut notch
But to then build on that and become a 20+ player is just so much reading, theory, understanding and marginal gains
It’s unreal
uncut notch
over half of the playerbase never even sets foot in a Mythic 0
Wonder why that is - m+ has shown me how fucking boring raiding is, and it’s vastly superior for gear
Tanking m+ is such a rush compared to “okay now you taunt”
woven lance
Is rallying cry on the gcd?
mighty valley
a lot of people aren't here for a difficult challenge with strangers and that's fine
woven lance
Wonder why that is - m+ has shown me how fucking boring raiding is, and it’s vas...
Here here
mighty valley
take the cooldown off've battleshout please
it's only there for historical reasons
mighty valley
god, reading back. we need to pay for a PSA to unbrainwash people about vers
uncut notch
god, reading back. we need to pay for a PSA to unbrainwash people about vers
It does kinda make sense tho I guess
A bonus to flat Dr is always going to be attractive
mighty valley
yeah, it's intuitive that it would be "the good tank stat" but that's just not reality
so when people are declined for "not enough vers" i lose my mind
uncut notch
It does work tho, the first sigil can be a fun defensive Cd as well as a bigdam button
But that 5 min cd man
I think it took me to about 15% DR from the verse spike
But suspect if you did the maths the 2.5 scales you could have used in that time will take it to the cleaners
mighty valley
But the sick execute window
ebon geyser
wow i just realize the raise your condits to 239 is not account bound...
waxen orbit
Very useful
ebon geyser
now i know what my mom feels
median tulip
Wonder why that is - m+ has shown me how fucking boring raiding is, and it’s vas...
I don't think most of those people get any further than LFR, if that
ebon geyser
Tanking m+ is such a rush compared to “okay now you taunt”
i dont mind this at all, i hate m+
i feel m+ is more forced than raiding
like i love my raids, but m+ is a 🤮
dapper swift
Can somebody clarify this? For legendaries in pins just want to be sure im reading it right... legendary helm is bis with tier in the other slots right? Unity - Waist, later when you have all tier pieces then Head.
chrome falcon
ye
dapper swift
I dont see anybody with 4pc using it so just wanted to ask thanks!
mighty valley
at first you just use the first four tier pieces you get
latent pier
I haven't really had a reason to try it yet, but does intercepting the fixate on the third boss of necrotic work out, or do we just die?
if for whatever reason the person in question doesn't kite it or the hook fails.
latent pier
excellent.
hollow hill
@ me tomorrow and I’ll send it - if you listen to Kublai Khan - the hammer it’s ...
Great song choice
austere forum
Anybody got Necro raid tank soulbinds?
median tulip
Can somebody clarify this? For legendaries in pins just want to be sure im readi...
Yes, but unless you are likely to be regularly clearing Ryg/Lords/Jailer it's fairly irrelevant
tulip kelp
Is shield biggest survivability piece?
median tulip
Is shield biggest survivability piece?
Yes
tulip kelp
Trying out prot for first time.. 265 ilvl but my shield is 236 and I'm getting smashed lol
median tulip
You're 350ish block behind what a 265 shield would give you. However you probably aren't playing optimally either. Do you have 2nd legendary and tier?
tulip kelp
No tier but have 2nd legendary
median tulip
Which Cov?
tulip kelp
Kyrian
median tulip
What %age of melee hits are you blocking?
median tulip
No. I mean on your logs
brave stirrup
Is prot war the hardest tank to play optimally?
brave stirrup
And by optimally does that basically come out to being worse or equal to others that are much easier to play? Such as a dk?
waxen orbit
The best prot warrior will do less damage than the best BDK/bear/prot paladin/BrM monk if that's what you're asking
That's not doomsaying btw that's kinda just statistically true
brave stirrup
Not just damage but survivability and stuff
waxen orbit
Other tanks definitely are easier to play in terms of survivability, yeah
civic torrent
It has a higher skill floor, yes
waxen orbit
And they're beefier to most damage except physical
Not by a huge margin, but by a little
tulip kelp
@median tulip Can I access that through Details or gotta log and parse?
I'm just doing M+ right now lol
waxen orbit
Gotta log and parse
median tulip
log and parse I think
vernal vale
man, im playing like ass tonight and its increidbly frustrating
ebon geyser
We all have one of those nights
dapper swift
man, im playing like ass tonight and its increidbly frustrating
doubt its u its hard out here this week lol
vernal vale
doubt its u its hard out here this week lol
im raiding so its definitely me
dapper swift
im raiding so its definitely me
:c
modest ocean
Logs will show that?
brave stirrup
Returning player and I have my warrior and dk about neck and neck with 245 ilvl double legendary and no tier for each. It’s so disheartening how much easier it is to play my dk when I want to play the war. I feel like I make waaaaay more mistakes and screw up juggling rage usage, SB, IP and basic positioning
ionic fern
Practice. 🙂
crystal turret
It’s crazy cuz I have the opposite effect. It’s so hard to play dk and warr just feels so comfortable.
urban portal
At least on warrior you know when you are dead
On dk you sometimes just get one shot
Tho you kinda know when you start running dry on runes and runic power
torn gust
At least on warrior you know when you are dead
so true
dry spear
Played prot yesterday on jailer. The first 2 phases are really fun but the last one was kinda boring. No tank swap here right? But was a good experience to play as a tank. I play kyrian because of the mind control and spear. Normally you play necro as tank atm?
jagged pier
There is a tank swap
Its on chains
And last phase is great its just execute till the guy dies
Your number literally just goes up
dry spear
oh there is? lol we didnt swap :D
mighty valley
the chained people take damage when the tank takes damage
so you should swap and break the chains
torn gust
hmm think i'll try Emeni in some 15's
woven lance
How does leaping work exactly? Can I leap behind me without turning and facing that way? If I do leap behind me, will that turn my back to my enemies and thus leave me open to unblocked attacks?
strong forum
For like a split second
blazing condor
you can leap behind yourself but the animation will always have you "jump" with you facing the way you're going
but i doubt it has any serious impact on blocked hits cus its so fast like nom said
maybe like one auto in the back or smth
woven lance
Even if you're tanking like 10 mobs in m+?
strong forum
You're instantly moving very quickly
The chance to be hit in the back in those very few frames is minimal
You're more likely to die if you jump through the mobs
Than behind yourself
And more often than not are you on the move already anyway
So you're automatically getting hit by less mobs simultaneously
blazing condor
i mean if you're curious then go log some keys
and check
but its never been something i've had to think about
strong forum
Yeah it's not worth thinking about
sick sentinel
for dmg on gurdians would korrain or niya be better? or is kyrian the move
strong forum
First boss?
sick sentinel
yeah
strong forum
Uuuh... I'd say necro
jagged pier
the adds dont come in 5s
so koryan is kinda meh
but u'll do more damage as necro
its like 2 -3 target cleave at most
west walrus
'morning all
blazing condor
howdy
west walrus
Just did my first 22 of the season, first as NL, and with raid talents 
Strangely, aoe aggro was... spicy
west walrus
- BSC
west walrus
I play kyrian only on necrotic weeks. I usually play fae
blazing condor
kyrian gang
but i guess i gotta shift into necro now when tier is out
implying i will actually get any tier
strong forum
Year of the spear
blazing condor
preach
west walrus
I am a tauren, I am closer to nature than light
jagged pier
its red panda or bust
jagged pier
oh english terms its means do it or run out of money i.e do it or u loose
wait not english gamba term
west walrus
Legit races are tauren, pandaren, vulpera. Others lack fur
ionic fern
Dwarf.
dry spear
undead female.
jagged pier
get the fuck out undead female
civic torrent
Dwarf is insane for woyer
blazing condor
Im finna bust
strong forum
Why are you playing 252 tier legs when you don't have 4pc
jagged pier
what do u mean when theres no downtime literally 2 of the bosses dont melee
tropic linden
what do u mean when theres no downtime literally 2 of the bosses dont melee
They don't? Was shure they melee when interrupt
strong forum
:noted:
blazing condor
west walrus
blazing condor
Im jelly
west walrus
I'll got it next week, shoulders are in the backpack
ebon geyser
Morning fellow clap bois
hasty fjord
I just got my 4pc
blazing condor
I would assume so
west walrus
Never assume with Blizzard :D
blazing condor
boreal plaza
I don't play prot and I rarely take them since I feel double warr is pretty meh utility in m+ but
Are you guys blasting dps now?
The few times I've taken one they're just shredding
Might be to do with mass aoe dungeons and revenge
chrome falcon
Yes prot warrior is extremely overpowered you should invite us to all your keys
tropic linden
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CN6AyJnP1dqFkfTG#fight=8&cutoff=0&type=dama...
Any other opinion on the log?
ebon geyser
But other tanks can pump more
by tanks u mean 1 and is paladin
blazing condor
☝️
tropic linden
On prototype is better to revenge or execute?
jagged pier
revenge
jagged pier
yes they do
jagged pier
thats ST btw
4 set and jailer wep they do so much fucking damage if played correctly
most bdks cant play it to do that, but that doesnt mean im wrong
ebon geyser
@jagged pier buddy, my friend protection channel bundle of positive energy that's naowh can't compare him with any of this dks out there
chrome falcon
My bdk did like 3k more dps than me on pantheon last night
He got the aoe proc from HC jailer wep in last phase
jagged pier
<@179993058186625025> buddy, my friend protection channel bundle of positive en...
its like u didnt read what i wrote
but okay
blazing condor
didnt read but ur wrong
strong forum
Bdk is currently the strongest dps tank
Yes it's not easy to pump those numbers
But pwar is in the same boat, except our ceiling isn't as high as bdk
viral flume
But it is pretty easy to pump 10k ST on bdk
viral flume
I am definitely playing my warrior wrong then lol
strong forum
Just like bdk needs 4pc
To do 10k
So there's that balance, but to get to the 15k you need to be proper good and have jailer wep
And I wish every tank worked like that
Good medium performance, but really fucking high performance if played perfectly
But blizz doesn't agree with that philosophy
viral flume
There's 10 total so it rounds out 🤣
strong forum
Like for every 10k dps pwar, you have 100 bad ones
Same with bdk
They have 100 bdks doing 10k, and 10000 that can't
(not that there's 10000 bdks to begin with)
But you get what I'm tryna say
blazing condor
my st kinda bad 
blazing condor
But thats cus i have no tier 
viral flume
And get memed on for playing pwar
strong forum
I'm content with my 6k at 250 ilvl and 0pc
4pc would give me another 2k+
20ilvl the other 2k
viral flume
I did normal last night, 83-85 parsed every fight
strong forum
That's less than I parsed
viral flume
Which isn't bad considering it was the first time trying to optimize damage
strong forum
Sounds like you have some studying to do
strong forum
Even without anything
trail brook
Necro execute fells actually good
viral flume
I will have to look into it
I really wanted to play necro in keys too
Simp for the dps
strong forum
And I haven't played for 6+ months, so yeah, necro owns
ionic fern
Play what ever IN MYTHIC+ as long as it isn't Venthyr.
sick sentinel
ive been pumping in aoe as NF
strong forum
Yeah NF isn't bad for cleave
sick sentinel
on panth NF does so much dmg
also only doing heroic and normal so dont have to press any defensives whatsoever lmaoooo its alll revenge dmg
blazing condor
Maybe bout time i try the raid
strong forum
How is that r1
sick sentinel
cpm?
strong forum
Casts per minute
sick sentinel
lmao
jagged pier
How is that r1
cause no ones doing normal anymore
blazing condor
30cpm revenj
strong forum
True I guess
strong forum
0 use of reprisal
blazing condor
But if u get it normally then its cool ig
sick sentinel
I mean its a guild fun run
strong forum
Ofc it's fun run
jagged pier
0 use of reprisal
hes using siesmic
sick sentinel
havn't crafted reprisal yet
strong forum
Necro would've been better then
Seismic + necro = infinite revenge dmg
Cuz of the rage gain
sick sentinel
oh right since necro gives alot more rage?
strong forum
Fuckloads
sick sentinel
farkkk i'll have to try it
strong forum
On my pantheon kill I couldn't even start to do dmg
Cuz 4pc bear solod the phase where seismic would activate
4 targets that share health
Is just GG
strong forum
Like on normal pantheon parsing is impossible unless people literally afk the last phase
sick sentinel
im in a shit guild
4/11 heroic
and its our normal fun run lmao so no one is doing dmg hahaha
jagged pier
fucking leave
sick sentinel
find me a guild on OCE that doesn't raid on either wednesday or thursday lmao and I will XDDDD
strong forum
Hate schedules
sick sentinel
yeah
strong forum
Shit gives me anxiety
sick sentinel
work late wednesday and thursday nights and legit every guild runs on one or both of those days
strong forum
Raiding on Wed is kinda dumbo imo
Thursday Monday is bis schedule
if you have to have one
chrome falcon
what's wrong with wednesday
blazing condor
Im 3/10m 😎
sweet summit
sod?
blazing condor
Also wednesday kinda poopy cus thats when you gotta slave all the weekly stuff (usually, not much to do this patch)
Yes
blazing condor
ye thats what im sayin
But in general
Meaning u either get people who have to play way much on wednesdays to do weekly + raid
chrome falcon
yeah but how can you survive not raiding on the day the raid comes out
chrome falcon
incorrect
sweet summit
yeah but how can you survive not raiding on the day the raid comes out
go bed early
watch strwams
play other game
chrome falcon
sweet summit
chrome falcon
i guess i see your point though but how much weekly stuff has there actually been that you need to do before raid
strong forum
Raiding on Wed is just cancer
Simple as
I like to come home after work, loot my vault, and prior to this patch, do my weekly shit in calm
Don't like to come home, open vault and head straight into raid
blazing condor
So much to do on reset so its better to portion out the weekly activites
Otherwise you got nothing to do rest of week
median tulip
my guild (EU) does Wednesdays. We once thought about moving it, but we came to the conclusion that doing the easy reclear part of the raid ASAP was a good idea, because if people had close vault choices they could potentially do the raid and get an alternative that would change the optimal vault choice for them
languid cove
What’s recommended minimum haste to help with sb/ip uptime?
median tulip
What’s recommended minimum haste to help with sb/ip uptime?
There isn't one, just "as much as possible"
dawn canyon
People aim for 40% but mid to high 30s is good
strong forum
my guild (EU) does Wednesdays. We once thought about moving it, but we came to t...
They can always open vault later
Soooo nothing changes
languid cove
Okay, explains why it’s a little challenging for me at 23%
median tulip
Okay, explains why it’s a little challenging for me at 23%
What ilvl are you?
strong forum
23% is still perfectly fine
median tulip
That's fairly reasonable value for 243 TBH
median tulip
Yeah, try and target a better shield. Mists or ToP
languid cove
Yea I kinda figured, been spamming for a new shield and haven’t been lucky
strong forum
When a 278 shield is 35+
strong forum
252 King here
blazing condor
Remove valor cap or have every upgrade cost the same
Lets be through with this bs
median tulip
I don't want to valour my 262 because it's Crit/Mast
strong forum
I had 272 shield in my scuffed vault but it's 272, can just get that by upgrading
blazing condor
Yup
median tulip
Just keep openinhg the vault as Prot until it gives me a Shield I guess
wild hemlock
whats senses twitch? i can only find his youtube
strong forum
In the 5 years that I'm here, I caught him streaming 1 time
wild hemlock
except for mythic bosses
blazing condor
Never caught a sense stream
Actually i mightve
In EP
But i didnt know him and i wasnt exactly read up on pwarr either
wild hemlock
i just wana watch some 20+ Warrior keys while working this morning
from this season
blazing condor
i wanna get back into streaming keys but at the same time i dont want people watching my play
What if im bad
wild hemlock
were all bad lol
ebon geyser
Who cares if u are bad, we will love u either way
blazing condor
At the gym atm
ebon geyser
I hate keys and I'm not ready to run them on warrior
wild hemlock
ive only done lik 3 15s on my prot this season lol
ebon geyser
I just miss a tank with shield to be honest
wild hemlock
ill get 2 piece tuesday babyyyy
blazing condor
strong forum
Gamer
blazing condor
Like that one post about the HR rep who divides half of the applications and discards them immediately
Aint gonna work with unlucky people
sturdy sable
I mean at this point if you raid you should atleast have 2p
blazing condor
im just unlucky
mental scarab
Just have the tier drop in vault
median tulip
If playing Necro, is it worth macroing Last Stand into the Banner button?
strong forum
No
Cuz banner can last longer than LS CD
Or you may want to use banner, but not LS
Aka saving for execute/lust
chrome falcon
yeah in raid fights i normally LS the pull and then execute
but macroing what is technically a defensive cooldown into your offensive CD is probably going to get you killed if you do it long enough
sturdy sable
"defensive"
median tulip
Yeah I kinda think it stopped being a defensive cooldown when I slotted UF, but 🤷♂️
strong forum
Still good to use defensively when you have nothing else or it's heavy barrage in m+
It is a good ehp increase
And obv big time hps increase through tier and indom
vernal vale
I was playing like ass last night anyone want to look at my logs and see what mistakes I was making. My brain is just fried it seems. I know blocks are low.
My logs so bad they shut down chat.
mighty cairn
should you play kyrian necro or nf on sylvanas with double lego
urban portal
Heard venthyr is pretty good
balmy canyon
Anyone know what exactly triggers the menagerie boss in taz to start? I know its the person porting to the stage the letting the first boss out but what triggers her to jump. Sometimes the wait is 10 seconds, sometimes 20, sometimes 30 seconds and I want to know so I can reduce or remove that time
chrome falcon
if you enter the room the rp starts
if you leave it stops again
some people will enter the room to start the RP and then leave again to do trash
but that bugs it out and makes it way worse
in my experience at least
uncut notch
some people will enter the room to start the RP and then leave again to do trash
To be fair
Timers in streets are VERY generous
We did a fuck about 17 this week with loads of deaths, shit Dps (everyone sub 10k) and we were still 3-4 minutes clear
Think it was around 18-20 deaths
chrome falcon
yeah streets is a joke now
ebon geyser
Which one is street
chrome falcon
the one with the streets
ebon geyser
Is that the one with the the star boss at end
chrome falcon
no
ebon geyser
the one with the streets
I swear on me mum bruh
chrome falcon
there are no streets in that one
uncut notch
Is that the one with the pirate dragon
No that’s the one with the gambit in
There are no gambits in streets
Idk I feel like Streets is just like “what if halls was bad”
ebon geyser
Bruh I barely do this m+ shit u can say the one with the planes and I'll be like ohhh
crimson marsh
So I have 243 ilvl and playing with people with 4 sets and like 268 ilvl and a hunter is pretty much ripping aggro off me whenever misdirect falls off, i don't feel like am doing anything wrong DPS wise I charge Into pack, I thunderclap, use revenge and still lose it
Is it just more gear I need?
chrome falcon
halls IS bad
if you're THAT undegeared it'd probably be impossible to hold threat
ravager the pack before you charge in though to give yourself the best chance
if you ravager the pack on the pull you can open with SS, opening with TC is not ideal
you should at least open revenge since it actually does damage
but with a gear difference THAT huge i'm not sure how you can consistently hold threat
strong forum
My logs so bad they shut down chat.
Your casts of SS were a bit too low
IP quite high for someone not using tier
west walrus
A hunter, aggro, 🧐
strong forum
And you didn't execute enough
Rest was fineish
On skolex atleast
Too lazy to check more
vernal vale
And you didn't execute enough
Thanks for looking. I ignore pain when my rage gets to about 80 or try too. My reflexes still overuse it. Working on doing better.
Execute is also something I'm working on. Our skolex kill was disgusting as people started doing stupid and dying. So I had to focus on living as long as I could.
jagged pier
oh we pumping today
autumn lintel
Super basic ass question that I have not been able to find an answer to. Does IP clip or stack?
austere forum
Is there a way to make the DBM lady say "taunt" louder?? I feel like shes whispering in my ear... I need her to hold my head and full open mouth SCREAM!
autumn lintel
Also, is there a WA that says "Will Smith just slapped the shot out of me" when I interrupt?
west walrus
😏
austere forum
oh we pumping today
Can I peep your Soulbinds? and Trinkys?
spiral warren
oh we pumping today
Blasting. Maybe it’s time to recraft my prot leggos
wild hemlock
oh we pumping today
what key? fat dam nice
jagged pier
Can I peep your Soulbinds? and Trinkys?
im just running maraleth and phial and sack
jagged pier
what key? fat dam nice
18 SD
wild hemlock
nice
jagged pier
18 mists i just did with not over the top pulls
chrome falcon
that seismic?
jagged pier
no
amber herald
you must have been spamming whirlwind like crazy
jagged pier
i dont see WW here
dawn canyon
Kevin 
wild hemlock
this is my only accomplishment so far lmao. 15 ToP. the SR buff feels sooooo nice
strong forum
That's cuz it's on #0
spiral warren
Reprisal ?
strong forum
WW is at the very top but jakey cleverly cut it out to fool us
dawn canyon
But the % doesnt add up
jagged pier
Reprisal ?
yes
dawn canyon
spiral warren
strong forum
But the % doesnt add up
Photoshop
dawn canyon
140% damage
blazing condor
deepfake
dawn canyon
That big of a pump
amber herald
I miss playing whirlwind with the leaper legendary
blazing condor
jagged pier
strong forum
Yeah that was peak wow
uncut notch
honestly the way pwarr is played rn is really nice
having a lot of fun absolutely shredding bg's with it atm
empowered shield slam is just amazing
crits for 30-40k just deleting casters
spiral warren
Kk
cunning viper
18 mists i just did with not over the top pulls
4P?
spiral warren
5p
cunning viper
The avatar buff is actually huge
ebon geyser
I gonna need motivation this weekend to get my warrior up
blazing condor
9p nuggets
ebon geyser
Indeed
strong forum
blazing condor
literally me after taking 10 nyquil
strong forum
Literally me 12sec after coming home from work
wild hemlock
i have 3 hours still 😦