yep. physical dmg tho should not be a threat if playing properly. once you reach that point, it's down to reliable dps who learned kick from their trainer
#protection
radiant magnet
strong forum
But with the obscene rage gains, you can keep yourself alive for very long times
Fucking wcl is down
granite anvil
Does NF only hit 5 Targets, or does damage spread beyond 5 Tar?
granite anvil
ok. thats...not much
hard vessel
Isn't this why vers is good for us after insane haste ? Keeps us alive with IP through magic dmg shit?
strong forum
"insane"
hard vessel
Have 40% haste this feels insane
strong forum
M8 it's 10% maybe 15% if you go ultra hard
Dr from vers I mean
Vers is a good stat yes
And yes it's the 2nd best stat after haste defensively
I just prefer crit cuz it's more fun
And I don't do top end keys so nothing matters
west walrus
Crit, on necrotic weeks 
strong forum
Pmuch
jagged pier
u do that anyway as the timer is so small now
chilly brook
I do think Marileth is probably the play regardless just because the tree is so good for extra survival as well
sullen tangle
Is Necro the move now in keys?
chilly brook
Yesnt
sullen tangle
Like?
chilly brook
Imo Kyrian is just easier and more consistent for the average tank and group
Drop spear on CD and profit
Necro needs you to:
- stay in combat constantly
- play the class well from a basic mechanical rotation standpoint well
If your rage generation or rage spending gets caught lacking you lose uptime on banner
Which ultimately means you start losing the benefit of playing necro to begin with
craggy pilot
ofc the time when log actually works i only get 9k dps 😦
and i forgot to log the first pack
chilly brook
You’re also trading snap threat from aftershock or spear
Granted I don’t think that should be an issue
sullen tangle
Granted I don’t think that should be an issue
I use scale for snap threat
chilly brook
But like I said if you’re not good at spending rage especially offensively it’s not going to be good for you
Better trinkets for that tbh
strong forum
I use scale for snap threat
#1 way to trigger nom in 1 sentence
chilly brook
#1 way to trigger nom in 1 sentence
I play never surrender in keys /s
sullen tangle
So on big pulls just revenge and ip spam to keep banner going?
strong forum
Not only on big pulls
sullen tangle
Yeah on bosses I’ll spend a last stand to get extra rage with ravaged for big execute damage
chilly brook
25-30k executes are juicy
craggy pilot
Not only on big pulls
rate my log nome ❤️
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/KBqvwg7j8CYkRMzT/
rip me a new one
strong forum
With tier you'll have so much rage gain that you will defo be able to keep up Banner pretty much indefinitely
chilly brook
If you’re in constant combat
You can
For sure
I was chaining back to back banners
craggy pilot
my log is a bit scuffed cus i didnt start it early enough 😦
chilly brook
Which I mean I guess at this point you just hold banner if you have it still running
Since there’s no instant benefit to just hitting banner other than giving your party the mastery
Which could be worth if they have CDs
The first key I had the healer whining because I was pulling so much and kept chaining
But like homie legit didn’t heal me
He didn’t need to
strong forum
Hm from what I can tell it seems aight, 87% blocked hits, wasted a bit of rage, very little SW and LS usage tho
chilly brook
I think he only did like 1 mil healing to me
And I did like 6mil
Yea
Straight wild
Hi @sick sentinel
sweet summit
chilly brook
craggy pilot
Hm from what I can tell it seems aight, 87% blocked hits, wasted a bit of rage, ...
SW is what im practicing currently
chilly brook
Now we just need to convince blizzard that we’re still bad
craggy pilot
the CD is so low with AM and Tier holy shit
chilly brook
chilly brook
Avatar is easily over 50% uptime it’s great
sullen tangle
Now we just need to convince blizzard that we’re still bad
That’s not a problem, we always are and always will be kek
craggy pilot
what is the CD usually with SW?
chilly brook
what is the CD usually with SW?
Like 2m or less if not running wall
Wall makes it like 1m ish give or take 10 seconds
craggy pilot
ye ok so every 2nd pack ish
craggy pilot
holy
strong forum
1min on average
craggy pilot
i need to throw it every pack then holy shit
any specific time, or just when i open maybe?
lofty widget
No
jagged pier
no
west walrus
With Urh you get SW something like every minute.
urban portal
^
west walrus
(If your party is skilled enough to focus Urh 
)
brave stirrup
does anyone have some time so that i can PM them some prot questions? i am a returning player and i havent honestly tanked since vanilla wow. I have these ideas of old habits and i just need some things cleared up for me
blazing dune
$pb 217380996276944896
true pawnBOT
Done.
sweet summit
ty vel 
median tulip
does anyone have some time so that i can PM them some prot questions? i am a ret...
ask
don't PM, just ask
chilly brook
does anyone have some time so that i can PM them some prot questions? i am a ret...
ask away
brave stirrup
Well, being that i played vanilla wow as a prot tank, things just feel so passive now. No sunder, no queing heroic strike between sunders depending on rage. Sometimes it feels like im doing nothing? is that normal? Or should i always have something to press between thunderclap, shield slam and revenge? Sometimes if feel like i need to press nothing to save rage for IP and shield block? I feel im spamming too much and not having rage to do those things
As far as shield block goes, why do i feel anxiety about not. having this up 100 percent of the time? Am i only supposed to ever prio this during "tank hits" or am i supposed to have it up as much as possible for active mitgation ? If not, what am i focusing on while saving it? IP and demo shout?
median tulip
I rarely have nothing to do. Things like Ravager, Spear of Bastion, Demo Shout etc fill in the rage generation cycle
sweet summit
are u level 60 yet? pre level 60 is quite slow with downtime, but it gets a lot better with gear and especially with the tier set we have this tier
shield block is keep as high of an effective uptime as possible, and hold if you're doing a boss/mob with a heavy tank hit for that
IP is mainly used to dump excess rage, otherwise rage is spent on SB and revenge
demo shout you can basically use on cd, or hold for when you know a decent amount of damage will be coming
cinder nova
I don't think invis pots break on quake unless you got overlapped, no?
sweet summit
it doesn't do damage so no
pallid fox
correct
brave stirrup
i am 60 yes, and i have reprisal, and i guesss thats my third question, should i be leaping away as much as possible on a boss and charging back to proc it?
sweet summit
you don't have to leap to be able to charge
cinder nova
Shockwave > Charge
median tulip
i am 60 yes, and i have reprisal, and i guesss thats my third question, should i...
I find that it's pretty easy to step backwards slightly and re-charge to get the proc in. Especially if there are ranged/caster mobs
cinder nova
Hamstring > Charge - on this one make sure you're charging the lead member of a pack otherwise you'll take back hits
pallid fox
in raid taunt swaps, really easy to walk away to charge
cinder nova
This entire Tier is a Reprisal Paradise
brave stirrup
so if its not possible to have SB up 100 percent of the time, with just an estimate, how much should it be up if you are doing really well with it
median tulip
Regarding Intervene: I like to have a melee (ideally the biggest burst pumper) set as focus and use a macro that intervenes my focus trget
pallid fox
target of target intervene macros are also great
sweet summit
over the course of a full dungeon i average like 80-85% blocked its (can be better i am kinda shit)
uptime % is kinda irrelevant
chrome falcon
finally got 3k jesus
sweet summit
:yejoice:
brave stirrup
are you ever overlapping SB? or is it better to let it fall and reapply? like how are teh charges of it best utilized
i feel like im not using it right
median tulip
80%+ blocked hits is possible. TBH it's not always that desirable. I'll take an unblocked hit in a 15 to get an execute finish on the last mob
sweet summit
you can overlap them
active mitigation like that stacks up to 3 times base duration
pallid fox
Ever go out and watch some YT videos and realize just how much more you could be doing as a warrior? I watched "Biz's" YT channel last night and. Sigh. I have a lot more to pick up this season
pallid fox
he did in some videos, I think?
median tulip
Shield block buff maxes out at 18s durations. Unless you are using Bolster (which you shouldn't) you'll never hit that
west walrus
don't think biz plays prot
They just play it bad
pallid fox
dadjoke.txt
west walrus
I undersdood Blizz :D
brave stirrup
on the subject of youtube videos can anyone link me some good ones to watch of some good players?
strong forum
Sense - nurfed
cinder nova
Shield block buff maxes out at 18s durations. Unless you are using Bolster (whic...
idk if that's true, I remember seeing 22s in Nathria during M HD prog because we had over 100 pulls and I perfected my rotation for ShB uptime while my guild was trying to figure out how circles worked
cinder nova
You sure Reprisal block doesn't overcap?
sweet summit
brave stirrup
i appreciate yall helping me out with the answers
strong forum
That's what this discord is for
median tulip
That's what this channel is here for
blazing condor
sullen tangle
Should I be running adaptive armor fragment as Necro for a potency slot?
urban portal
not as bad as some dps classes
at least it kinda makes sense for tanks
but if a dps has AAF as their 2nd best
thats really sad
cinder nova
80%+ blocked hits is possible. TBH it's not always *that* desirable. I'll take a...
As soon as my execute button lights up I press it until it's not lit
:^)
waxen orbit
Pro moves
sturdy sable
Man pwarrior chat has really poped off lately
median tulip
I'm not quite that gung ho. But cutting an enemies head off counts as mitigation. Dead things mostly can't hurt me any more
sullen tangle
yeah
Is there a pic of the Necro conduit build or just default to the method.gg one?
cinder nova
Probably dogshit
Method ranked warrior like bottom-barrel and their review showed the wrong talents and the wrong playstyle like last xpack
I don't trust WF guilds to know underdog specs anymore
chilly brook
chilly brook
This is the soulbind tree I was using last night
austere latch
Subcreation is the way
sullen tangle
You go bonesmith? I would think emeni would be best for keys
strong forum
Subcreation is also not the way.
strong forum
It does sim like 100 higher indeed
chilly brook
but mari is super well rounded
strong forum
Yup
chilly brook
so probably the better soulbind in the long run
but running that tree basically just slot banner conduit
and then shield wall conduit, last stand conduit, and IP one
strong forum
Wait why would you go serrated
chilly brook
Wait why would you go serrated
simmed better
dapper swift
We dont have a haste cap right? im at 38%
strong forum
40% before itf
strong forum
simmed better
Dafuq
chilly brook
¯_(ツ)_/¯
strong forum
That would do it
median tulip
Does anyone know of a decent guide for Vault of the Wardens M+TW?
chilly brook
Execute>Rev on 3 targets or less yea?
strong forum
Ye
strong forum
No but fast
sweet summit
idk i didn't play it properly
median tulip
Have to loot spec as DPS for the Faulty Countermeasures, right?
dapper swift
40% before itf
ty!!
ebon geyser
Doesn't plague give u free oozes that dps
sweet summit
Have to loot spec as DPS for the Faulty Countermeasures, right?
yes
strong forum
Doesn't plague give u free oozes that dps
That's the whole point
Without Kevin heirmir would be infinitely better
strong forum
Does anyone know of a decent guide for Vault of the Wardens M+TW?
Hold W, then when you jump into the hole on your way to last boss, clear until the statue with the orb, then jump down the cliff towards the door
GG there's your route
Bosses are pretty self explanatory
2nd boss just don't look at the eyes or you'll get disoriented
You can LoS him upstairs when he runs away and just stay there and aoe him and everything else down
sweet summit
phial is weaker than sack on st so probably that one
limpid pawn
so the necro banner can be extended pretty much indefinitely
sweet summit
yep
limpid pawn
even with like 1 second remaining, if you pop your cds - you can extend it like 20+ seconds i noticed
chrome falcon
yep
limpid pawn
i haven't been able to extend it like until the next banner was up, but maybe about a minute thirty or so
anyways, for high keys the added DPS you get from 3 members + yourself
chilly brook
i haven't been able to extend it like until the next banner was up, but maybe ab...
oh it's possible
chrome falcon
no
blazing condor
in net dps it probably is
chilly brook
I've had several where I have 14-15 seconds left on banner when the 2m CD is up
chrome falcon
banner is like 2k less individual damage over a key
chilly brook
banner is like 2k less individual damage over a key
ehhhh
chrome falcon
and you're not even remotely close to making that up on group damage
chilly brook
not according to sims
ebon geyser
So can I be Necro with my no brain cells
limpid pawn
so when you say 2k less individual dps, you mean like for me as the warrior
chilly brook
sims are pretty favorable to necro tbh
limpid pawn
ok so instead of 8k ill do 6k
chrome falcon
uhhh
strong forum
phial is weaker than sack on st so probably that one
They're actually equal now
chilly brook
I mean I'm not playing this for group benefit anyways
chrome falcon
if you were doing 8k as kyrian in the first place, i guess? but you should be doing much more than that
sweet summit
chrome falcon
tbh if your dps is already at like 8k it probably won't go much lower than that
chilly brook
? pretty sure that's exactly what the sims say
5 target 300 seconds from Nom https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/961392244202569769/unknown.png
strong forum
The loss of mainstat literally balances out the difference between the 2
strong forum
5 target 300 seconds from Nom https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/14889794188...
That's with seismic*
limpid pawn
so the group dps added is less than 2k?
chrome falcon
nomer himself said that sim was scuffed beyond belief no
chrome falcon
you're adding almost no group dps
just don't consider it at all
it's not worth your brainpower to think about
strong forum
Not beyond believe, just not optimised for aoe as much
chilly brook
That's with seismic*
sorry this is the one without seismic https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148897941883584512/961390388248203284/unknown.png
like ehhh
chilly brook
fairly competitive
ebon geyser
Yeah I have seen a bit of kyrian instead of necro
chrome falcon
because 408 mastery for 15 seconds means basically fuck all
ebon geyser
I mean I know spear is juicy
strong forum
Yeah the banner effect for group dmg won't make up for 2k individual dps
chilly brook
like this is 1000x better than spear in enjoyment factor alone
limpid pawn
wait why not?
strong forum
?
chrome falcon
because 408 mastery for 15 seconds means basically fuck all
chilly brook
Yeah the banner effect for group dmg won't make up for 2k individual dps
don't know if I buy this
limpid pawn
the mastery should last longer than 15 seconds though?
chilly brook
banner was worth 500 dps for some specs alone last patch in pure single target
chrome falcon
not them
strong forum
Not on Party members
ebon geyser
I mean having yet another Smurf tank is no
limpid pawn
oh i see
strong forum
banner was worth 500 dps for some specs alone last patch in pure single target
If lined up perfectly
For them
limpid pawn
so because it's such a short duration on party members, you don't make up 2k lost dps
unless you play perfectly?
strong forum
I'd say so
chrome falcon
you probably don't make up 200 lost dps
strong forum
Na that's exaggeration matta
ebon geyser
Paladin is ven/kyrian, monk kyrian
chilly brook
If lined up perfectly
I acknowledge that but in aoe that value should also be much higher than just 500
strong forum
It's defo doing smth
chrome falcon
yeah sure probably it's like
chilly brook
And in fairness
strong forum
I acknowledge that but in aoe that value should also be much higher than just 50...
Idk. It's not a 5min scenario but a 26-30min one
chilly brook
Considering you can extend one banner indefinitely
strong forum
Extremely hard to judge
chilly brook
you should be able to just cast any other banner after that on someone's CDs
chilly brook
Since you literally gain nothing of benefit personally from popping it while it's already running
chrome falcon
half the time your ranged don't come close enough to get him
yes you do
you resummon kevin
ebon geyser
What I loved about tree huggers was the interrupt on the smash
chilly brook
you resummon kevin
assuming you're running marileth
chrome falcon
which most people are
chilly brook
idk
I personally don't think this is a worthwhile discussion anyways
play Necro if you like it in keys
strong forum
But as I've said 4pc necro is 100% competetive in dps I think with kyrian, but harder
chilly brook
if not play Kyrian
strong forum
Kyrian is alot easier to get consistent pump
chilly brook
Or NF
strong forum
And better threat on pull
Idk NF loses value cuz the leggo isn't as good
Cuz it do be buggy
chilly brook
All I really care about with necro is the feedback loop is insane
strong forum
Less consistent
ebon geyser
Again I only liked NF because of the constant interrupt on dmg
Since NA players do not know what interrupt is
cinder pasture
ebon geyser
Na mostly
chrome falcon
yeah i mean i'm also exclusively playing necro in keys unless we need a kyrian
chilly brook
I'm not playing necro in keys until I have 4pc
I don't even have 4pc
and necro is giga comfy
ebon geyser
I have both covenant at 40 lol
chrome falcon
you shouldn't really ever die to anything regardless but yeah banner just makes you a god
ebon geyser
All I wanna know is when 9.2.5 is coming out
blazing condor
necro > kyrian just because they're actually bros about letting you rejoin
and not just hating on you
chrome falcon
bro
fr
you have to write an essay apologising to the kyrian when you try to rejoin
strong forum
Na i tried playing necro without tier in keys, was Hella shit when you just lose banner
And then are left with nothing
Kyrian is big dopamine every 40sec
chrome falcon
yeah i didn't play kyrian at all in 9.1 but throwing spear definitely feels pretty good
chilly brook
Na i tried playing necro without tier in keys, was Hella shit when you just lose...
all you need is 2p
blazing condor
how come the macro for every covenant class-ability shows tooltip but the other one doesnt
when i switch to necro it goes from spear > banner but my fleshcraft is just a "?"
strong forum
Works on my machine
blazing condor
strong forum
Weakauras
blazing condor
unless you go full WA
strong forum
?
limpid pawn
the banner is kind of like BoM azerite power
strong forum
My bar works by not showing its uglyness
chilly brook
I guess I'll be setting up marileth
strong forum
Banner is scuffed Bom, yes
chilly brook
for that juicy dam
limpid pawn
if its' so meh, then why are so many top prot wars using necro
serious question
is it just out of curiosity and for some change
chilly brook
if its' so meh, then why are so many top prot wars using necro
it's not meh
limpid pawn
or is there something to it that we are not seeing
jagged pier
what do u mean somthing we are not seeing
chilly brook
not better than kyrian
jagged pier
have u not read the pins?
chilly brook
*Necrolord is arguably harder to get the maximum out of in Mythic+ than Kyrian/NF. When played properly it can absolutely be great but it takes a lot more paying attention to than just throwing a Spear/Ancient Aftershock down and calling it a day.
limpid pawn
mattacate literally said the loss in 2k dps (personal) is not even close to made up by group dps gain in groups
limpid pawn
in which case... kyrian would be much easier
ebon geyser
``*Necrolord is arguably harder to get the maximum out of in Mythic+ than Kyrian...
In other words u need a brain to play banner and spear is brain ded
chilly brook
kinda ye
although realistically
if you know the basics of prot well enough, banner doesn't require much thought
ebon geyser
if you know the basics of prot well enough, banner doesn't require much thought
And by this u mean press button and don't rage cap
limpid pawn
banner doesn't require much though other than positioning sort of, but with it targeting 3 members
i mean... it is pretty brain dead
limpid pawn
so the real benefit is the added tankiness?
chilly brook
ended hackar yesterday at like 10.7k
chilly brook
so the real benefit is the added tankiness?
the benefit is it's fun as fuck
urban portal
its a minigame you play
chilly brook
and it's good boss damage
strong forum
The primary benefit is the tankiness yes
urban portal
instead of just a damage button every 45 seconsd
ebon geyser
And also next week u can make tier
chilly brook
and it's good overall
ebon geyser
Bear was way op
chilly brook
yes slightly worse than kyrian in overall damage
but when I say slightly I really do mean slightly
Like imho I think whatever you lose in personal is more than made up for in group gains (and I'm not talking about the DPS you contribute by banner)
you're tankier
cinder nova
You're way tankier as necro and you do FUCKLOADS more ST so on boss fights you're literally a 4th DPS
chilly brook
you're encouraged to pull like a madman
chilly brook
which also means you're doing the key way faster
cinder nova
And a LOT of it.
chilly brook
We almost timed it despite having like 25 deaths?
cinder nova
DOS has a very forgiving timer.
chilly brook
And if we didn't mess up routing and things that we were trying
it would have been a 2 chest easily
chilly brook
DOS has a very forgiving timer.
right but the point I'm making is it's forcing me to go go go go to keep banner up
like we missed the timer by like 30 seconds or something
chilly brook
And we were messing about with trying different routes hence the deaths
wo and frogger don't mix well
make sure you get an engineer
limpid pawn
i noticed most scuffs there are because people try to hop the slimes before the button is fully done
chilly brook
We got to mecha with like 28 minutes left on the timer
limpid pawn
anyone got a good HoA path for like keys above +20
chilly brook
anyone got a good HoA path for like keys above +20
left then double back right
then clear mid like normal
limpid pawn
the first pull
limpid pawn
so even with bolstering, mega pull left as first pull?
mighty cairn
yeah tell your rogue to prio the shard
if you see black powder in the dmg breakdown
it’s an ff
chilly brook
but you can definitely at least do the casters and the shard
west walrus
I am so sad when I loose the banner :(
limpid pawn
ok and anyone here loving heavy reperucssions?
chilly brook
no
jagged pier
no
mighty cairn
it’s funny
limpid pawn
i've tried both, i actually like HR better than AM for high keys
west walrus
HR means less Avatar, less uptime when I am bigger
jagged pier
and less synergy with tier set
jagged pier
and thats true HR has always been inting tbh
chilly brook
my CD use has been less than ideal with me just repicking this up
but my avatar uptime is >50%
jagged pier
less SWs
chilly brook
so kinda inting
jagged pier
espeically now
chilly brook
to not be running AM
west walrus
The more haste you have, the more rage you spend, the more AM is better
sleek thistle
What is the best covenant for m+? (0 tier set item)
chilly brook
you're still massively cutting out a flat 10% DR
mint pike
what is a realistic shield wall cd like with AM in keys
chilly brook
and massively inting your SW casts
jagged pier
well i think we saw a log with like 90 somthing % blocked hits without HR in season 2
chilly brook
^
torn gust
^
chilly brook
you see that now without HR
median tulip
What is the best covenant for m+? (0 tier set item)
Without tier, either Kyrian or Night Fae. Necrolord kicks into gear with Tier, really. Do Not Be Venthyr.
chilly brook
just be good about using charge
and intervene
and not wasting charges of shield block
sleek thistle
Without tier, either Kyrian or Night Fae. Necrolord kicks into gear with Tier, r...
aight thanks
torn gust
lol venthyr
chilly brook
also uhr existing
jagged pier
guys, can i take your energy i start crab tonight and can barely keep my eyes open already
chilly brook
lessens the value of HR
jagged pier
🙏
torn gust
eggplant emoji
jagged pier
😳
torn gust
:y
ebon geyser
guys, can i take your energy i start crab tonight and can barely keep my eyes op...
Crab will wake u up. He will whisper in your ear
wild hemlock
guys, can i take your energy i start crab tonight and can barely keep my eyes op...
run HR
jagged pier
yes run hr in a raid and on an encounter where my cotank will be doing most of the tanking
🤔
chrome falcon
yeah we're starting lihuvim tonight and i just don't want to kill it
i don't want to tank crab
and i especially don't want to fucking raid lead crab
wild hemlock
yes run hr in a raid and on an encounter where my cotank will be doing most of t...
memein brotha
chrome falcon
"hey what happened... oh you just fucked up... that's ok lets go again"
repeat 250 times until we all quit
wild hemlock
cause of all the HR talk lately
chrome falcon
i'm so jealous of that 278 sigil
jagged pier
yer have to run defensive trinkets on sauage
chrome falcon
apparently he doesn't
since that's what i just linked
he got 20 more executes than me what the fuck
jagged pier
well i shouldnt ither but we were having all sort of issues on artifcer and sauages last night
chrome falcon
must have been a giga scuffed pull
chilly brook
he got 20 more executes than me what the fuck
looks like he got externals tho
and you didn't
chilly brook
Faeries matters
chrome falcon
and he got to execute for way longer than me
urban portal
Only for avatar
chilly brook
avatar still massive
chrome falcon
listen
chrome falcon
i don't think condensed anima makes up 1k dps
but i will admit
i tried bonegrinder on hc anduin for a giggle
except i was emeni by mistake because i used her for the hearth
chilly brook
except i was emeni by mistake because i used her for the hearth
bruh lmao
chrome falcon
so i was spamming ww during the intermission with no bonegrinder buff... and execute with no ashen jugg...
strong forum
This is big brain time
granite anvil
Is there a reason not to macro Ravager @player?
jagged pier
preference
urban portal
Yes
chrome falcon
uh that sounds terrible
tame jasper
Is there a reason not to macro Ravager @player?
I have it a cursor for pull
lofty widget
Cant throw it pre pull then
urban portal
You waste a gcd to go in
chrome falcon
don't do that
pallid fox
Much like spear, it gives you some options at tank to grab mobs
urban portal
Basically you should ravager then charge
chrome falcon
90% of the time i ravager i do it as i charge or just before having it macro'd to player sounds awful
jagged pier
no
urban portal
With player you don't have that option
chrome falcon
having two buttons is probably optimal
well
definitely optimal
if you have the space on your keyboard and in your brain
granite anvil
Not on war...
I feel like on war u rly need every single global asap
Might try @cursor tho
median tulip
I have an (at)cursor macro on my mouse and an (at)player macro bound to a key for both Spear and Ravager
pallid fox
Fury and Prot are two of the highest APM specs in the game
granite anvil
I guess its not to Bad if you miss one of 10 Ravager on some lantern
chilly brook
Fury and Prot are two of the highest APM specs in the game
prot APM is through the roof if playing necro in keys
it's wild
ebon geyser
Wtb 9.2.5
median tulip
90% of the time I use the (at)player
The only place I regularly throw the spear is on Mueh'zela
chilly brook
The worst part about necro prot is that I play it knowing it will be gone in 10.0 and nothing will come close to the feedback loop and fun it provides @jagged pier
strong forum
That sounds horrible
Ngl
Gna miss half of the mobs with @ player
Atleast with spear
Cuz it's fucking tiny
wild hemlock
holy i just look at sense's logs
vernal vale
I want 4p to get to the stupid APM
chilly brook
Gna miss half of the mobs with @ player
@ player is fine
ebon geyser
holy i just look at sense's logs
Big mistake
strong forum
Well without tier pwar is sill like 70-72apm
chilly brook
take it from a fury enjoyer
jagged pier
your APM should still be dumb without tier
wild hemlock
Big mistake
what a unit
vernal vale
I miss 90CPM of gladiator dps.
granite anvil
I Main bear right now, that qualifies me for QoL easy modes on war
chilly brook
I miss 90CPM of gladiator dps.
I mean we're at like over 80CPM
chilly brook
@ player sounds HORRIBLE for spear
it's fine trust
chrome falcon
no
vernal vale
I mean we're at like over 80CPM
I'm in the 70s with no tier and I want it faster
chilly brook
play necro
vernal vale
but for ravager it makes sense
I have at player spear for fury
chrome falcon
sounds terrible
chilly brook
It really isn't bad
ebon geyser
what a unit
Watch him in YouTube and twitch and his hp not moving
I strive to play like that one day
And admire him for not being a meta follower
chilly brook
^
Been doing it for two expansions now
and people are always amazed
I say that but prot ended up being meta
but during 8.0
lmfao the shit I heard from guildies and other people I would group with when they saw a prot warrior
vernal vale
I played gladiator in WoD would get installed kicked from pugs because it was "bad"
No need to ever be meta just focus on playing well
ebon geyser
Just don't be a pussy ass bitch
Don't threaten me with a good time talking dirty to me
strong forum
It's literally just a buff to track
chilly brook
literally can't drop it
strong forum
Nothing else
chilly brook
I really do mean that, if you stay in combat and are charge weaving and intervening as well as not letting yourself overcap rage
you literally can't drop it
strong forum
If you have tier*
ebon geyser
What's banner cd
chilly brook
2m
ebon geyser
Not bad
vernal vale
The two minutes goes quick when you are trying to keep it up too.
ebon geyser
I'm happy unity is account
I just need to make peace with the fact that I can save tons of currency for when I'm ready to craft gear
uncut notch
erga has it at player
I've always had it at player, but thats probably not the endorsement youre looking for
median tulip
you literally can't drop it
With 2pc I can get about 60% uptime, so I'm looking forward to when I have 4pc next week
chilly brook
With 2pc I can get about 60% uptime, so I'm looking forward to when I have 4pc n...
definitely can get higher with 2pc
make sure you're leveraging last stand to your benefit
like way higher
median tulip
Yeah I only really tried it on a target dummy so far
chilly brook
I only have 2pc but it's lasting full duration of the CD
granted thats in keys
haven't tried in single target
but I'd wager it should be somewhat similar
primal cape
im renown 48 necros atm without campaign, what would you recommand to up quickly ? some thorg then campaign ?
radiant magnet
or spam torghast 9s
craggy pilot
2600 rio and getting declined to 16 wtf?
minor helm
There's 5000 other people applying to those keys
craggy pilot
5000 tanks?
primal cape
wrong prot
minor helm
Yeah
craggy pilot
doubt it
strong forum
🐖
craggy pilot
3 warr, enha sham, and healer
strong forum
3 war, enha and monk
craggy pilot
ah yes
strong forum
Why shaman
I guess for Lust?
Better make it enha then
More useful
Been there done that
Indom is all you need
ebon geyser
2600 rio and getting declined to 16 wtf?
U are not meta. that's why
strong forum
Your mom is meta
craggy pilot
last week i was getting invited to stuff easy
strong forum
craggy pilot
but guess i would climb rio faster with my own key
at least them im 100% sure i get invited
yea that too
im just lazy
ebon geyser
Your mom is meta
She is a dk
craggy pilot
would like to go into premade grps
i even have Scale Phial
but not upgrading the Scale, cus thats boring
only upgrading Sac + Phial for Raid DPS 😄
primal cape
whats your ilvl
craggy pilot
267 (3p)
torn gust
oof 3p
chilly brook
2600 rio and getting declined to 16 wtf?
I'm almost 2800 got removed by a 1900io andy after being invited to a 15 mists
craggy pilot
I'm almost 2800 got removed by a 1900io andy after being invited to a 15 mists
kekw
Mist is harsh for some reason
primal cape
kind of guys getting 2k3 rio and thinking a +17 is hard i guess
craggy pilot
highest keys i done last season was 18-19
chilly brook
Mist is harsh for some reason
got into a 16 afterwards and slammed the hell out of it and got a shield
craggy pilot
but 16s feel kinda easy this season
chilly brook
torn gust
17 easy
craggy pilot
still only 252 weppy tho
chilly brook
oh well still doing like 11k overall in keys and generally being immortal
chilly brook
tanked a 20 on necrotic week :y
wdym necrotic is comfy now
strong forum
craggy pilot
oh well still doing like 11k overall in keys and generally being immortal
🤔 thats huge
im only on 10k
torn gust
wdym necrotic is comfy now
hecc
craggy pilot
and feeling quite squishy sometimes, especially on big bolster packs
strong forum
🅱️olster
primal cape
i just kited necrotic with spear if i had to
chilly brook
🤔 thats huge
necro keys are goated
torn gust
i did it as necrolord :v
craggy pilot
necro really doing that much dps?
torn gust
ye tried bonesmith on 15 sang, close to 10k overall :v
primal cape
if dps are not pumping i find necro hard to play
torn gust
^
chilly brook
why
chilly brook
you being in combat longer is a benefit to you
chilly brook
or is it because of the Str?
it's also 4 rage per second
primal cape
then better combo with HR talented?
chilly brook
then better combo with HR talented?
no
torn gust
banner, revenge spam :v
grizzled lotus
I have no tier pieces after all this time but I want to play Necro lol
Just do it?
chilly brook
I'm still curious why you guys think necro is hard to play when dps aren't pumping
primal cape
im used to get perfect agro with spear
primal cape
sometimes i feel im not pumping enough even with revenge spaming
grizzled lotus
270ilvl no tier gang but Necro sounds like it needs tier? Maybe I'm wrong
shell shale
ravager agro go brrrrrrr
craggy pilot
sucks that you have to give up Revenge casts because Slam procs 😦
chilly brook
270ilvl no tier gang but Necro sounds like it needs tier? Maybe I'm wrong
it helps
craggy pilot
either Revenge shouldnt be on GCD, or SS shouldnt be on GCD 🤔
chilly brook
it's a big rage gain
craggy pilot
but not sure how it would play out lol
chilly brook
if you have to choose between shield slam and revenge
limpid pawn
ok i just did a bunch of keys back and forth necro/kyrian
chilly brook
you choose shield slam
grizzled lotus
Lol Revenge and IP off the gcd would be hilarious
craggy pilot
you choose shield slam
ofc i know that lol
primal cape
baneer is giving 4 rage every sec its up?
chilly brook
kyrian just feels better
hard disagree
chilly brook
baneer is giving 4 rage every sec its up?
yep
craggy pilot
Revenge off GCD like Paladin Shield of Righteous ❤️
would be so sick
slash slash slash
torn gust
im liking necro more than spear
limpid pawn
for me, the snap aggro is nice with spear
chilly brook
Revenge off GCD like Paladin Shield of Righteous ❤️
you mean like heroic strike
limpid pawn
like i never lose aggro ever
chilly brook
like i never lose aggro ever
I don't lose aggro as necro either
craggy pilot
you mean like heroic strike
but Heroic Strike is "on next attack" isnt it?
grizzled lotus
Ravager/Charge/Revenge is good
chilly brook
rav>charge>revenge
grizzled lotus
Yeah lol
torn gust
i only lose aggro when theres one trash away from the pack that im spamming revenge on
craggy pilot
if i Ravager before Avatar, does it still gain the bonus dmg from Avatar? 🤔
grizzled lotus
Luckily Warrior has AOE taunt like a beast
chilly brook
but Heroic Strike is "on next attack" isnt it?
in vanilla yea
craggy pilot
Luckily Warrior has AOE taunt like a beast
this is one of the things i miss hwen playing Pala Prot :<<<
chilly brook
it got changed to just be an attack off the gcd
grizzled lotus
Miss that when I'm playing Monk honestly, just helps spicy situations cool off
Yes seriously
craggy pilot
it got changed to just be an attack off the gcd
and now its completely removed instead of Slam 😄 which is on the GCD
grizzled lotus
And the cooldown isnt short but you shouldn't be needing it more often than it's up
Just nice to have some kind of safety thing
chilly brook
with the rage gen we have right now a spender that's not IP off the GCD would be welcome
grizzled lotus
Indeed
brave stirrup
246 ilvl with double legendary no tier, what m+ level should i be ready for?
dawn canyon
if u know ur stuff 15s should be fine
mighty cairn
ez 15s but you prob won’t get accepted to pugs
vernal vale
If anyone has time to tear into my logs
I had to dps jailer because I missed the first kill and raidead didn't want to take the time for me to get a few pulls to figure it out.
mighty valley
Blocked hits are low on rygelon even though your casts look alright, must be burning uptime when you're not the active tank
Hard to judge DPS since you have no tier at all, executes still seem a bit low
Some wasted rage, not a wild amount but you really wanna get that to zero before you get tier and your rage income skyrockets
vernal vale
Blocked hits are low on rygelon even though your casts look alright, must be bur...
I'm probably burning charges when Pala taunts without saying anything for sure. I'm actively working on my execute and my tier luck has been atrocious.
mighty valley
Should just be taunting at a set number of stacks so it's predictable for both of you
Which'll be 1 at heroic and up
Well maybe that'll change with huge gear
vernal vale
Comparing Jailer kill against other Fury warrior
I fell right into a hole when knickknacks sent me at a weird angle I was mad. Figured I could beat the other fury warrior even though he has tier. I was close up to that point.
vernal vale
Should just be taunting at a set number of stacks so it's predictable for both o...
Yeah, I have a hard time getting him to listen to how we should be taunting.
mighty valley
I'm pretty overcommunicative on taunts when a boss is new til we've got it mindless
But I'm friends with my cotank so there's no weirdness to worry about
vernal vale
Yeah, there a meta is king thought that happens too much from GM and officers. One of which is the pally.
vernal vale
Blocked hits are low on rygelon even though your casts look alright, must be bur...
Thanks for the quick look. I'm working on improving because I want to push myself again. Starting by getting others to look over my logs and confirm/point out my issues.
primal cape
some help for a macro saying "baneer up" ?
sweet summit
epic
craggy pilot
some help for a macro saying "baneer up" ?
macro? i believe you can easily find a WA for it
when you get invited to a +16 DOS key
wtf is this even 🤣
many pulls i was top dps...
on fortified
west walrus
Someone asked me if I was lost... in lfr
craggy pilot
felt like that a few times alrdy
guess its my fault for not checking the ilvl of the grp
shell shale
this reminds me of a key i did 1st season where i tanked it. Guy got carried similarly (I joined a random group in lfg) At end of key he tried to trade me gold and the party lead was like no trade me
and then they kicked me outa the party
chrome falcon
fuck
100 dps behind rank 2 on skolex
forgot to pot and i still only have a 252 fucking sigil
west walrus
The joy of joining a LFR group, to a boss already defeated and get 30 minutes debuff
sweet summit
wicked
trail brook
How much dmg is the tazavesh trinket for prot? the sozamis or whatever is called
strong forum
Codex?
Scales with dmg intake
So it won't do any dmg until 26++ keys
Or extremely intensive tank dmg fights like rygelon and jailer
craggy pilot
its not more dmg than Phial/Sac right?
sac seeming kinda lackluster to me tbh 🤔
maybe i will get better dps from Soleahs trinket?
jagged pier
they both got nerfed for the patch
strong forum
As I've said...
It scales with dmg intake...
In 17-20s you won't get any value out of codex
Soleahs technique is good if you have another haste stacker in the group
craggy pilot
they both got nerfed for the patch
Phial and Sac?
strong forum
Yes
craggy pilot
oh didnt know 😦
strong forum
They got both nerfed by 30%
craggy pilot
what are the best M+ trinkets now then?
strong forum
Phial and sack
craggy pilot
i have 268 Sac 272 Phial
strong forum
Is the best trinket by miles
craggy pilot
also in AOE?
strong forum
Windscar is an aoe trinket
chilly brook
They got both nerfed by 30%
Nerfed again? Or are we talking the nerf that dropped when 9.2 dropped
hot dew
but seeing things on ssubcreation doesnt seems good
strong forum
The 9.2 nerf
chilly brook
Ah so nothing new
chilly brook
Warr is legit actually slept on at this point
tulip kelp
All these big dps numbers need tier?
strong forum
Yes
tulip kelp
I legit have had horrible luck... 0p sadge
strong forum
With seismic
chilly brook
Nah
strong forum
With reprisal it required a bit more effort + powers from affix
chilly brook
With seismic
I was doing 8k before tier at the start of the patch before all the gear upgrades
strong forum
Yeah so am I
chilly brook
Like 10k definitely in reach
tulip kelp
As prot right?
strong forum
Yes as prot
chilly brook
But you’re gonna have to do some fancy stuff
craggy pilot
if i go Seismic, i wont get 100% uptime of SB right? 🤔
tulip kelp
8k overall fine for me
strong forum
Not even close
craggy pilot
so do i have to jump out and kite or what?