Tazavesh: Streets of Wonder
[With realm restarts] Adjusted the placement and composition of non-boss enemies in several locations. Total enemy forces required to complete the dungeon on Mythic+ difficulty has been reduced accordingly.
#protection
rugged mural
Hoping MDT is able to reflect those changes today
hollow hill
How do you guys feel about https://www.wowhead.com/item=189584/sepulchers-savior?bonus=6805 ? Seems pretty cool to me
gray iris
thanks
strong forum
its basically +7ilvl on your shield in regards of block value if you keep it in defensive mode forever
so its pretty good defensively until you get the 285 shield
hollow hill
Oh wow that's pretty big
Would be nice if the damage on the offense mode was a little better
I could see that being useful in M+
strong forum
cant have nice things
hollow hill
Like, on the heroic version it's 19 damage.. that's gotta be completely negligible
urban portal
Like, on the heroic version it's 19 damage.. that's gotta be completely negligib...
its probably around the same damage as a oil
in m+
just completely useless in raid
west walrus
jagged pier
west walrus
(was not advised :D)
ebon geyser
<:ratge:890357732543168594>
Ppl like this should be able to be banned like in FF
unique cloak
I dont come here often, and I dont see it in pins.. Ravager interacts with Merciless Bonegrinder and it slaps incase no one has found that
ebon geyser
U so nice jakey
west walrus
That might be simpler
ebon geyser
Lol
west walrus
You are definitely stormforged for a reason :D
jagged pier
its a degenerate play style
actively stops u using mitigation to get full use out of it
and overcap rage
ebon geyser
Jakey for valkyr
ebon geyser
@jagged pier valkyr when. I think u are nice enough to deserve it.
minor helm
https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850
Does it work super cringe for prot like it does for arms?
MBG proccing after ravager ends
jagged pier
yes so u have to hold rage for the end
minor helm
chrome falcon
i don't do the bonegrinder thing on like
real packs
but if it's just a bunch of shit that hits for 2 damage it does burst very hard
it's pretty good in sanguine
i only do it as necro though where you can burn a bit more rage and be a bit tankier, plus the wws hit harder
the damage is very very high but it's so terrible to just burn all that rage and mitigate absolutely nothing
unless i can come right out of the WWs with an outburst'd SS i only do 2 or 3 WWs
yeah that sounds real bad
seismic is terrible with whirlwind
whirlwind hits 4 times
seismic only gives you 75% of one of those 4 hits
yeah i mean if nothing did any damage we could probably pump pretty hard
yeah
unless it's something giga low and you're playing seismic
wild hemlock
waiiiiiiit booming voice is the talent right lmao
not the shout lego
phew i thought we were going back to the shout lego
lofty widget
isnt it still BV for raid BSC for m+?
chrome falcon
BV if you're necro i should specify sorry
lofty widget
idk if that extra rage is needed to maintain banner
chrome falcon
it's the tier as well
mighty valley
3/4 for weeks now
assuming I don't get it from raid this week I can just zap a 272 immediately next tuesday
don't have any random 278s from vault in the right slots sadly
lofty widget
that boss does nothing to pwarr
chrome falcon
that's like
the best pwarr boss in the whole expansion
shield block counters iron spikes and SR counters the giant nuke mechanic
the boss also stuns itself for half the fight so you have 100% blocked hits
jagged pier
well u didnt 18 sd does no damage
lofty widget
you can also alternate SW/trinket/demo for every spikes and be more than fine
chrome falcon
i think pwar might literally be able to do that fight without a healer
it'd be close but at 18 it might be doable with the right trinkets
mighty valley
that fight is more about everyone else handling orbs/immunities and not getting hit by swirls
and the longer it goes on the more likely it is someone goofs
also just a big healer check
chrome falcon
sure it's not an easy fight when you account for everyone else
mighty valley
v frustrating on my mw monk trying to keep uptime for kicking
chrome falcon
but it's THE fight we're best suited for in the whole expansion i think
mighty valley
I could, haven't gone hard on other covenants on alts yet
venthyr was just the best for everything by far last patch
anyway this is prot warrior
press shield block, everyone
dark lark
Already have 4p, do I take 278 shoulders for creation catalyst next week or do I take 278 wrists for immediate ilvl?
limpid pawn
278 shoulders
chrome falcon
can't say without seeing the rest of your setup
lofty widget
i'd take the best long-term upgrade
wild hemlock
3pieces on my main...
dull gazelle
Vault decided I needed trinkets this run. Toying with grabbing Codex of the First Technique, but am running Blood-Spattered Scale and Slimy Consumptive Organ. How does CFT stack up against BSS? The SCO is a nice burst heal every 20 sec, reluctant to give that up.
dawn canyon
can u show the box?
dull gazelle
chrome falcon
please do not wear slimy consumptive organ that trinket is wildly terrible
whereas codex is excellent especially at higher levels
codex is going to provide more ehps and do damage
dull gazelle
ah, good point.
dull gazelle
The SCO heal was super helpful more than a few times when healer was dealing with DPS shenanigans, but, agreed, double on use has been "fun"
chrome falcon
if you really want a panic button for when your group fucks up, scale fits that role
ebon geyser
Double on use 🤢
chrome falcon
i wear double on use in raid sometimes but in m+ definitely not what you want
ebon geyser
Won't the internal CD will conflict
patent gorge
Do we have any healing / damage details on Codex ? If it’s good then I’ll start farming it
chrome falcon
@ebon geyser it was basically only on sylvanas where scale could be a life-saver with bad rng in p3
dull gazelle
The internal CD conflicts a bit. but not terrible. Especially because the SCO has only 20 second CD. But, again, double on use is not optimal, I've just been gutting through it because bad luck on drops
Wasn't scale used on Anduin with Liquid's kill?
that DK?
chrome falcon
dunno about that
scale does have value on that fight
in the downstairs phase when your healers are totally ghosting you
dull gazelle
Do we have any healing / damage details on Codex ? If it’s good then I’ll start ...
this is what it does. dunno about log comparisons.
not sure if that 1.2k is total per second, or for each hit during each second.
blazing condor
it probably works like aegis
12 second window with every melee hit being reduced by X amount during that time-window
chrome falcon
not just melee hits
blazing condor
yeah sorry
chrome falcon
and unless they've fixed it the tooltip is wrong
the max reflect is 10x what it says
dull gazelle
🤯
median tulip
Both of the Technique trinkets are excellent
I am currently rocking both Techniques, and I can confirm that it's a wonderful setup. I would only swap to Scale if I really needed to ride one specific damage event
strong forum
keep in mind the tooltip from codex is bugged
the damaged absorbed per hit amount is 10x of what the tooltip says
they forgot to add a 0
i talk alot
and sponge the knowledge
west walrus
Nomeratur is a secret dev
strong forum
🥷
dapper swift
what are some tricks you guys are using to survive trash in DOS? Oof lol
cinder storm
Kick shadowcore like your life depends on it because it does.
west walrus
First 23 of the season, PF, first boss => frontal => two deaths :D
dapper swift
The first pull is killing me with 8K healing and full cds :/
chrome falcon
blow every CD first pull, wo to a boss/ardenweald and then just use full CDs every inner-ring pull
if you're dying through all your CDs then kite
bonesoldiers and scribes cant 1 shot you if you're not in melee range
dapper swift
I mean im not tanking 20s yet working on 18s im 2660 but it seems like DOS is the only one i run outta buttons to live lol
mighty valley
you should be lusting that first pull so many things should die pretty quick during your biggest CDs
dapper swift
you should be lusting that first pull so many things should die pretty quick dur...
🤩
cinder storm
Try to stay in a pack for about 5-10s then kite, the ring packs are the hardest because of the casters and the poison, the first pack is easy and easier with lust. It also depends if you are pugging or running with a comp but your team should be helping you as much as possible, you can only survive for so long before needing to kite
dapper swift
Try to stay in a pack for about 5-10s then kite, the ring packs are the hardest ...
🤩
inland wasp
i hate my vault choice....get my 4 set...or 278 scale
yeah
im leaning scale...just for the fact that ill craft my last tier piece next week if i dont get it from raid
creation catalyst opens next week
my thought process right now is....i can take the chest and have the ability to trade off if i loot it tonight OR take the scale now hope for the chest drop if not craft the missing tier piece at current ilvl or potentaly higher with the catalyst next week
leaning scale cause then extensivly i get both pieces just have to wait a week
spiral warren
Don’t loot till ya done raid clear then
Can wait to see if you loot tier or not and decide.
inland wasp
thats another option
cinder nova
upper flame
I’d take scale, you gonna get 4p eventually. Scale might not appear for the rest of the season
viral field
i hate my vault choice....get my 4 set...or 278 scale
Scale. This isn’t even a choice 278 , Teri can drop in the raid each week and vault . A 278 scale is rare. I wouldn’t even wait if take the scale and run
chrome falcon
scale is pretty medium these days
but you'll probably never see it again and given enough time you'll get full 278 tier
inland wasp
Scale is still one of if not the best trinket for us still is it not?
chrome falcon
i'd be much happier with a 252 aegis and a codex if i was tanking something that hurts
i just don't think a 278 scale is much better than a 272 yknow
inland wasp
I have the 252 aegis and a 262 scale equipped atm
chrome falcon
if you're progressing in the raid this week you're maybe trolling your guild a little bit by not taking tier but that's your call
inland wasp
Tonight we are doing a normal reclear of just tier bosses trying to get some more 4 sets
chrome falcon
probably just wait unless the tier piece is a big ilvl upgrade
inland wasp
Its a normal ryg piece vs a 252 chest i have equipped
chrome falcon
oh gotcha thought the tier might have been 278/285
just wait until after your reclear then
inland wasp
God i wish lol
I think thats what ill do is just wait. Itll suck for our other warrior if i get it and cant trade it to him but thems the breaks
Monk and rogue alrdy have there 4 sets so its just him and i on that token
chrome falcon
how the fuck are there 13 minutes between boss 3 and 4
craggy pilot
wiped on last boss
chrome falcon
with only 7 deaths?
craggy pilot
with only 7 deaths?
think we had only 1 death until last boss wipe
austere forum
for eng. belt.. Which is more dps? Damage Retaliator or Erratic Genesis Matrix?
lofty widget
both do close to 0 dmg and the genesis matrix can only be applied to crafted gear, youre probably better off with the move speed or invis
austere forum
thanks 🙂
median tulip
Doesn't the invis backfire?
vocal geode
backfires more often for me than works
but when it works it's nice
maybe I should max my engineering
sweet summit
i've had it backfire twice so far 🙂
if it backfires just wait the debuff and use pot
latent pier
maybe I should max my engineering
engineering level determines how often it backfires
old flame
crit vers neck
vocal geode
wtb neck on my monk
old flame
haste verse ring
wep is a slight ilvl boost but I don't know if that's worth
Simc says trinket
but very sus I think on that
median tulip
That trinket is utter shite
The stacks it builds are on the target, not on you, so it only does anything on long single target fights
old flame
Ring then?
old flame
I hardly ever dps, I don't actually like to
vocal geode
without knowing your current gear I'd say ring then
waxen cradle
I would say ring as its BiS and you will ultimately be farming for it either way
mighty egret
old flame
Ring it is, thanks fam
waxen cradle
@old flameAs far as weapon you can simply have your BiS drop from farming the dungeon and upgrade it to 272, and the neck you have you lose a shitload of haste, and for me rings and necks I never really follow max item level rules
old flame
yeah, I feel that, if it was a 278 wep then things would be different
waxen cradle
yeah exactly
old flame
259 isn't as big a boost as 272 ring
it's also max so don't need to burn valor on it either
waxen cradle
simply killing the first few bosses in heroic Sep you can get a 265 weapon either way
not hard to get weapons is all I am saying, more of a time investment than anything but hey thats WoW anyway
radiant magnet
triple the zero luck
atomic current
What leggo do you guys run for raid?
waxen cradle
yep scuffed tier bonus, but a bonus is a bonus and I have been trying so I say don't hate
atomic current
The wall isn't good?
radiant magnet
reprisal on most. the wall if I cant consistently charge (rare) or the tank buster is rough
old flame
but that's dependent on the level of content
atomic current
I figured since I'm not zoom zooming to use the wall
old flame
the wall is okay, but it's less rage and less damage than the wall
and with our tier set, RAGE IS LYFE
atomic current
I don't have any not
waxen cradle
Me personally Reprisal like 95ish % for the time and The Wall on fights where I feel it will be pretty much pure magic and I dont see getting all of the uses off of Reprisal
old flame
Last tier only time I ran wall was mythic eye and heroic sylv
atomic current
Ahh okay. I'm just getting back into prot. Been having a blast
waxen cradle
honestly you just kind of game it out where you think it "might" be wise to run The Wall, but 95% of the time or more Reprisal is the play
old flame
check what sense ran, run that 🙂
atomic current
Lol
sick sentinel
How do you guys deal with the wicked bolt guys in HoA
waxen cradle
I would even go so far as to say 98% of the time as I can't think of but one or maybe 2 bosses in Sepulcher that you would need The Wall
sick sentinel
they legit just eat me up
atomic current
Spell reflect is king
old flame
have melee friends who remember what an interrupt button is
old flame
Rygelon and lords? maybe mythic skolex? not sure about jailer haven't fought him on any difficulty
waxen cradle
Remember to interrupt, go off on my friends when they scuff my SReflect, stun, and again yell at friends if they dont interrupt
atomic current
I had a hard time in crab man.
old flame
stormbolt has it's uses
atomic current
I had a tough time with the tank mechanic. Spell reflect wasn't up for each cast
atomic current
Normal. The second time I got it but I was getting blasted.
old flame
hardest part for me was remembering that you can block lance
so when you're in the move phase you gotta keep it up
and keep pointed at crabby boi
atomic current
Yeah, I kept forgetting that too
waxen cradle
Get used to swapping at 1 stack of his tank mechanic also, on heroic if you take 2 you get deleted by the second hit of the tank mechanic unless you have a very big CD up
atomic current
SB doesn't reduce the damage tho, right?
atomic current
But not lightshatter beam tho. It's cosmic damage
atomic current
I was having problems with beam
old flame
double beam is v bad
atomic current
Yeah
frigid plume
i ran wall on halondrus and rotated between SR, demo shout / fleshcraft, and SW
use SW on the ones where you have to take a laser at the same time the missiles hit
SR and wall should be available every 3rd cast each so you just have to do different stuff to fill in the odd one out
chrome falcon
on normal you shouldn't even die to 2 beams
chrome falcon
it's only 2x damage from the second hit and 2x normal is like survivable with a CD pretty easily
it wouldn't even 1 shot you if you pressed no buttons
real thunder
Ok just got my 4 piece (normal ilvl 😦 ) I hear necro is pretty strong in M+. Which soulbind and soulbind abilities are recommended?
old flame
marilth
Marileth*
Necro in a place like spires is gonna be a bit rough for uptime still
also prepare your hands to hurt lol, that apm is no joke
real thunder
ok i'll take a look at Mari, thanks! is she the same answer for single target in raids if i want to dabble with necro?
real thunder
Mari is the way to go then, thanks!
old flame
Heimir if you want to go super turtle, but you shouldn't need to
for Marileth go 3 potency 3 endurance
potency necro one aaf and ashen jugg
umbral sluice
Am I the only one looking at prot tier bonus and it just look like nothing. A free ignore pain (which IP is already lackluster) and gain 45 instead of 15 rage on our SS every 240 rage
While I'm looking at other tank tier sets and they all have insane stuff making them more tank
umbral sluice
I tank with a blood DK and I swear, I die 10 times before he dies once.
urban portal
compared to most
median tulip
He probably kills your healers by giving them heart attacks though
mighty cairn
that issue sounds like pd
umbral sluice
The math just isn't right. A similar ilvl blood DK can prevent more damage, heal wayyy more, and does more damage than a warrior.
chrome falcon
Man we have 50% avatar uptime
ocean yoke
the tier is nicer than it looks since the extra rage feeds like 3 different damage and survival things at the same time
chrome falcon
You literally just listed the 2set
old flame
That math is 100% wrong watching
umbral sluice
I feel like each tank should excel in one aspect
chrome falcon
Without mentioning the vastly strong 4set
old flame
the similar ilvl BDK will not prevent more damage
hollow hill
I also tank with a blood DK and when I'm really on point my damage taken and healing done are excellent in comparison to him, on top of me doing at least 1 mil more damage on average
old flame
that's a given
chrome falcon
If you die 10x more than your cotank you need to do more about it than complain sorry bud
Our tier might not be insanely strong compared to other tier
But it IS insanely strong compared to the content we have to do
If you’re dying TEN TIMES before your BDK dies once, that’s all you homie
mighty valley
i don't have 4set and my bdk cotank does. bdk overpowered
although my damage taken is still way way way less
chrome falcon
Oh and saying that BDK prevents more damage than prot is just???? Probably extremely false
hollow hill
Yea that's just incorrect
old flame
yeah maaaybe when it's magic damage? but doubt
BDK armor is almost as paper thin as DH
hollow hill
When you're comparing to a blood tank you have to look at self healing as well as damage taken
mighty valley
yeah but self-healing causes higher healer blood pressure
mighty valley
anyway the main point is we're all strong enough
also we do have a niche, in that our execute phase is v strong
chrome falcon
Yeah I’m not arguing that our tier is medium compared to some of the other shit
But there’s no excuse for dying a bunch in anything other than bleeding edge content
old flame
Guardian got nerfed what twice?
median tulip
BDK armor is almost as paper thin as DH
People underestimate just how much defence a Shield gives. My Resto Shaman (with Shield) has more armour than my Warrior does in Arms spec
mighty valley
for real
polar shale
hello guys one question
with the 4 piece bonus does Unstoppable Force gains any value or is Ravager still better? I am playing Necro for m+
chrome falcon
UF still stinky
polar shale
I am guessing Ravager gains tons of value thanks to UHR but I just wanna make sure
polar shale
Thank you
chrome falcon
Rav spam juicy
polar shale
haven't really played prot since BFA ended. it feels weird to not thunderclap spam
old flame
Gratz man!
Just did LFR for a shot at chest/shoulders no dice. guess i wait till tomorrow for raid
ocean yoke
can we go back to when i was luckier than people and got tier early so i can have huge parses thanks guys
urban portal
Just did LFR for a shot at chest/shoulders no dice. guess i wait till tomorrow f...
Is lords and rygelon working now
dark lark
In LFR yes
urban portal
I mean they didn't break 🤣
it legit didnt work
when you cleared anduin and walked to lords
you just die
before being able to be ported into the area after anduin
old flame
Yeah they fixed that I killed them
bright dock
Is anyone using sigil in keys? I have 239 aegis and 262 scale so I'm good all season right lol
I got heroic sigil today but idk when I'd want that
I only dps in raid and tank keys
tame jasper
I primaly use 252 aegis and 252 fate, when pushing (20+). For lowkeys i think i will trade fate to aegis ats the obly dps trinket I have
pallid musk
I tried Kyrian today and ran dos 15 with quaking / bolesting and we were 3 melee in group
I feel Kyrian is harder and NL is much better
In defensive view
timber dagger
silgil is pretty good
jagged pier
sigil is great in raid trash in m+
timber dagger
using 2 on use trinket in m+ atm
jagged pier
yikes
timber dagger
hows codex for prot warr
jagged pier
ionic fern
😦
median tulip
Similar for me; I guess I'm taking the legs to tiercraft
blazing condor
if you dont have 278 wep
jagged pier
https://gyazo.com/bcf6eb4f340ec61af429f7c545c75e23
EZ
median tulip
I have a 278 weapon already; so that would only be useful if I wanted to play Single-Minded Fury
blazing condor
EZ <:yep:703420923625078804>
wow i'm happy for you man what a pull 
jagged pier
tbf i needed some vault luck had a boat load of nothing so far
blazing condor
I forgot i have to go farm Torghast for Cosmic Flux so i can actually craft tier...
holy
or just m+ spam 😄
you get like 90 a key
ionic fern
True.
sweet summit
jagged pier
drowsy scarab
We dont skip
blazing condor
maybe its time for me to jump into the raid soon
jagged pier
👀
blazing condor
try my luck with the tier
jagged pier
Lfr 2 piece and 4 piece is better than any ilvl
jagged pier
blazing condor
the small time i have playing this game every week is not gonna be spent on LFR
blazing condor
gl 
lyric glen
Is this any good for us tanks?
mighty valley
i'm doing it on a healer alt since i already have helm on warrior
it's fine, decent stats
not one of our best trinkets but better than the trash ones
blazing condor
i had it but i think i traded it away
seems kinda clunky and dull but if you can get it work its fine
blazing condor
yeah true but you gotta know what stat to get
jagged pier
30 min duration isnt even some dungeons
blazing condor
granted it takes that long
queue time > stupid wipes >
but yeah even if each wing takes 45 minutes at max its still something i cba doing
but yes i'm inting
median tulip
Is this any good for us tanks?
I run it; 113 Haste is excellent. But I run with a static with a known Haste-maxing class, so it works out for me
lyric glen
also got this one but it really doesnt seem nice? https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.15752-9/277707417_2185595588264121_1353291977252556225_n.png?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-5&_nc_sid=ae9488&_nc_ohc=ssQrlYRzOq8AX_iOgdz&_nc_ht=scontent-arn2-1.xx&oh=03_AVK5zgp7C7NUKTuPe9OvD-lzUKIKd5ovxQFKoYexgGYCQg&oe=62725F28
rose wedge
If I use the Avatar = Bladestorm as a 2nd, can i actually block while bladestorming?
blazing condor
but why would you wanna run signet to begin with 😦
blazing condor
uncut notch
but why would you wanna run signet to begin with 😦
Gets Rek: Fuck yes, amazing!
Gets Bladestorm: What the fuck, no!
cold zealot
Help, i need advice^^
My rings are 265 haste/mastery from raid hand 262 haste/vers crafted
4 set already
blazing condor
I would probably pick the gloves myself i think
lyric glen
that trinket is nice aswell.. I use that all the time Bloodspattered one
cold zealot
its max scale though^^
jagged pier
id go ring for me but ive not got your gear
lyric glen
Well there is alot of bis items in that vault... Lucky you! 😛
cold zealot
better than scale?^^
lyric glen
what is better than scale?
lyric glen
yeah have that too.. I go with both of them
median tulip
4 set already
What ilvl are your existing tier gloves?
jagged pier
aegis is bis until end of expansion
cold zealot
got mythic aegis^^
cold zealot
What ilvl are your existing tier gloves?
265
median tulip
Hmmm
jagged pier
like i even traded scale away yesterday because im probs never gunna use it
cold zealot
lol scale is my 100% use trinket in raid
median tulip
I'd probably take the Scale, myself, but that's mostly because it means I never have to run DOS with Prot loot spec again and can focus on getting the Arms drops
jagged pier
what? why
mellow gorge
mmm finally something good
jagged pier
its not needed in raid at all
lyric glen
I use both my trinkets like almost on cd.. 😛 super neat
jagged pier
no
lyric glen
I asked about that earlier it doesnt look so good?
jagged pier
no raid trinket is good
mellow gorge
hmm
well i don't want to go back to SoD for OWS or Aegis either
guess scale/phial it is
jagged pier
so u go for dungeon trinkets because they are all better than the raid trinkets
jagged pier
better
median tulip
no raid trinket is good
except Sigil
mellow gorge
i'll have to get my hands on it then
jagged pier
except Sigil
that is only good for dps in raid
so im never going to get it over all the dps that actually want it
which is everyone
lyric glen
ist the first techbnique good? it is up there on the top of the lists too together with scale
yeah the sigil is ranked high aswell now
median tulip
ist the first techbnique good? it is up there on the top of the lists too toge...
I run both Techniques. It's strong.
lyric glen
I run both Techniques. It's strong.
Both? hmm could be an interesting combo:) I just need to "get them" havea 233 technique
cold zealot
Hmm so im not farther than before^^
Scale is tempting for raid but would only be 6 ilvl bump, gloves would be 13 next week
lyric glen
well the hands you can make into tier so yeah , I guess you have to "roll" for it:)
orchid frigate
sweet summit
🙂
jagged pier
🙂
tawdry dirge
on first boss are we better on with ItF or Ravager?
jagged pier
itf
west walrus
Third piece in the vault. I trolled myself, I just did 4 bosses in HM, got an NM piece x)
sweet summit
no
strong forum
green laurel
Hi guys, would I be correct in thinking mists would be the best m+ to 'spam' for a 1hander / shield chance? Spent all last week, did 14 dungeons and didn't get either drop at all
sweet summit
ya mists is a chill and good dungeon to do for loot
uncut notch
I know people did this in s2 but this was my first time over 10k overall and a nice personal milestone!
sweet summit
uncut notch
glacial swift
Can anyone tell me how to interpret the list of trinkets that are presented on bloodmallet? are they purely listed in order of most dps?
uncut notch
Is that a thing now?
bruh where have you been
ionic fern
Can anyone tell me how to interpret the list of trinkets that are presented on b...
Yes
uncut notch
RWF running multiple enhance shammies and frequently hitting 15k overall single target
ionic fern
bruh where have you been
uncut notch
Theyre hot meta rn
uncut notch
hahahaha fair enough
ionic fern
I honestly don't care about RWF..and never have.
uncut notch
I honestly don't care about RWF..and never have.
yeah but its more an indicator of whats hot
hardy viper
Was just on subcreation where it places all tanks in s tier this week except warrior which is in d tier is there Any reason for that or is just because of lack of data this week
jagged pier
☝️
ionic fern
Skewed data.
jagged pier
no this
uncut notch
in NW you cant do any of the spicy pulls
jagged pier
NW is dog easy its like 3 pulls
jagged pier
yes
sweet summit
mists is harder than nw
forest walrus
I mean you can just look at the data
uncut notch
Isn't bolstering a joke now?
i wouldnt say its a joke but its nowhere near as bad as it was - Its nowhere near as gimped as Necrotic Tyr tho which literally just doesnt register as an affix.
forest walrus
NW a 26 has been done
Mist 25
so at the moment, NW ranks higher when you take all the data that is available
simple as that
hardy viper
Is there other sites that are better 2 use thab subcreation for that kind of info
ionic fern
What info are you even looking for?
Sites like subcreation don't actually provide anything.
uncut notch
What info are you even looking for?
Its just "make me feel good about being a meta tank" or "Justify the fact i was unable to do x by blaming the class"
ionic fern
People are weird.
I enjoy the tanks that are not "meta". That's why i became a warrior in the first place.
Just to show people that tier lists are dumb and you can do what ever any other tank can.
😂
blazing condor
Mists becomes harder and harder with key level
Because of a tight timer and a linear dungeon
Where as NW is incredibly open and you can do a lot of fast strats
youre not limited by the maze and shit
primal cape
picking a pack before the maze and at ends maze helps
humble tendon
That vault always bad. . i gave only 1 tier and now gives me decanter death signet and a stupid neck 278 all useless. Meanwhile my pala 2 days 60 gets tier. Omg
Have*
strong forum
Hm I got bis ring
humble tendon
Does decanter worth anything? As far i know not much
strong forum
Where can I buy sockets
humble tendon
I think its socket time for me
median tulip
mists is harder than nw
Mists is easy on Fort weeks regardless. It's only hard on Tyrannical
humble tendon
I h8 bliz loot systems
jagged pier
Where can I buy sockets
u get them from choosing tokens as a reward instead of loot
jagged pier
F
median tulip
Guy by the vault sells
humble tendon
Haste always good
humble tendon
Well i suppose next week i make 278 legs tier so finally i can go necro with 2 tier
Although aggro might be a thing till i got used
n fae is more to my playstyle
median tulip
ya its bis ring
Is it? I mean it's good but I thought Stitchflesh and the ring from Gambit were the best
jagged pier
gambit ring has less haste than that one
blazing condor
Ive managed to get like 16% vers just through ilvl now
But only got 30 haste or some
jagged pier
imagine not dropping vers for crit
lyric geode
Guys good trinkets for m+?
I still have the heart of Al'ar and i want to switch it to something else
quaint glade
Haste always good
is there cap for haste? I am at 33% rn
lime urchin
this are my actual talents for m+
Anger Management
lofty widget
this are my actual talents for m+
swap HR for AM
high raptor
To proc avatar more often?
high raptor
cause its a defensive spell now too
lofty widget
more avatar=more rage=more dmg
high raptor
@jagged pier Hmm, i used revenge as a filler. Doesnt it gets useless without the talent?
dawn canyon
Revenge Spam big dam
jagged pier
more rage = more outburst = more rage = avatar = more outburt
its literally cycles the spec
jagged pier
its part of your rotation already or should be
it procs SS which is also more rage
etc etc
high raptor
The upper row display pretty good my acutally priority in using the skills
displays*
jagged pier
no
high raptor
no? ^^
jagged pier
u barely should be using TC anymore
u use IP alot as a rage dump
but if u have tier set u again so much rage at times its pointless to press TC
and pointless to using anything but to dump rage into IP
high raptor
Whaat, no Thunder Clap?
lofty widget
it hits like a wet noodle anyway
high raptor
xD
jagged pier
TC has been trash always and its even lower in the prio now because of all the rage we get from everything else
ionic fern
TC is your rotational rage generator.
It does poor damage.
With tier your rage generation already goes through the roof so you don't need to use TC as much anymore.
mellow gorge
i like TC
high raptor
wow okey
ionic fern
Agreed.
high raptor
But, just to get it right, Ignore Pain doesnt do much. With TC i would do dmg. Isnt Dmg then more Value?
IP doesnt do much dmg*
high raptor
thats what i mean
lofty widget
IP prevents you from overcapping, TC overcaps you
ionic fern
There is the nuance that if you're not playing properly then TC is still valuable due to the rage generation it provides.
But generally when you play well you should be more or less flowing in rage.
With 4p + double lego.
high raptor
So, is The prio is Revenge > TC?
ionic fern
For damage, yes.
jagged pier
in general with 4 set and double leggo, u literally only press TC if u have nothing else to press and u dont have outburst
lofty widget
btw, would you guys rather sit on a SS proc to dump rage with revenge, or rather just IP to SS immediately
jagged pier
like if u can spend rage or SS u do ither of those before TC'ing
ionic fern
btw, would you guys rather sit on a SS proc to dump rage with revenge, or rather...
IP into SS.
median tulip
Guys good trinkets for m+?
First Tech and Secret Tech is my current set of choice
high raptor
Is following right to consume my rage? Shield block > Ignore Pain > Damage
mellow gorge
you know
for AoE trinket
what should i replace my phial with
since i don't really have anything better ilvl wise
i have a decanter and an RDM
still worth using?
either RDM or Decanter for m+
jagged pier
decanter is trash
hardy viper
What is the highest dps overall with 4 set as prot?
primal cape
gonna play with codex and scale this week
hardy viper
Your*
ionic fern
Is following right to consume my rage? Shield block > Ignore Pain > Damage
There is no real priority - as mentioned before your main goal is to avoid overcapping rage.
SB is your main mitigation tool and should be kept up as much as possible while actively tanking.
IP is mostly treated as a rage dump (though you can prepare it for big hits)
Damage is...damage. 🙂
Generally you want to spend your excess rage on Revenge while using IP to avoid any potential overcapping (due to it being off the gcd).
ionic fern
What is the highest dps overall with 4 set as prot?
?
I don't know what your asking.
1?
primal cape
im around 7k on 20ish, so i guess a bit more with full set
primal cape
yes, thats bad?
ionic fern
Do you want me to yell at you now or would you prefer to schedule a meeting for the future?
brittle owl
isn't that season 1 dps
ionic fern
^
jagged pier
12k in a dungeon10K on ST
ionic fern
Can confirm, Jakey beat my Fury on ST yesterday.
humble tendon
Have a ring 262 crafted haste crit stigflesh ring 262 and aracnid 278. Worth take 278 death god signet 278? Or stay as i am and upgrade in future stigflesh to 272. Other 2 vault options are decanter and bad neck... Cause i think taking socket
ionic fern
your fury is shit so
Irrelevant.
brittle owl
Irrelevant.
no.u.
ionic fern
Agreed.
brittle owl
😌
green laurel
Is there an argument for running necro > kyrian for m+?
ember token
Can confirm, Jakey beat my Fury on ST yesterday.
kyrian_boy or necro?
ionic fern
Kyrian
tame jasper
12k in a dungeon10K on ST
Okay ism bad. Im happy if warcraftlogs shows me 8k+ 😦
safe dirge
boyz have a question does seismic reverberation work with ww as prot ?
or only on revenge
ionic fern
WW as well iirc.
safe dirge
kk thx
tawdry dirge
how many ilvls is the 4set worth it?
rotund latch
Prot still dead in m+?
tawdry dirge
we have never been dead
rotund latch
Ait unbenching then
No but forreal, did the buffs impact its viability for 22+ keys?
tawdry dirge
i did allready 21s in season 2
sweet summit
but it's still not the best tank
tawdry dirge
and we got buffed
sweet summit
idk what more you want
tawdry dirge
idd,.. if u like it play it
but other tanks will do things better on situations,,... if u like those play those
rotund latch
Love it but hate being whispered reroll scrub
tawdry dirge
play what u enjoy
ruby berry
I was looking through logs of a 25 tyrannical prot key the other day. They certainly can do it.
tawdry dirge
well that can still be happening
cause of the streamers out there
and all the bad rep we got
jagged pier
how many ilvls is the 4set worth it?
all the ilvls
ebon geyser
Morning fellow clappers
tawdry dirge
fair enough so even a lfr version vs a 278 item
ruby berry
Mornin
jagged pier
its the afternoon
jagged pier
fair enough so even a lfr version vs a 278 item
yes
tawdry dirge
thanks m8
ebon geyser
its the afternoon
0732 in the US of A
safe dirge
Why tho...?
idk wanna try in 15 only ofc if with merciless bonegrinder and 4p u deals more than classic with revenge
ionic fern
Afternoon.
ionic fern
idk wanna try in 15 only ofc if with merciless bonegrinder and 4p u deals more t...
No.
I mean..try it if you want to.
But it won't be more.
jagged pier
idk wanna try in 15 only ofc if with merciless bonegrinder and 4p u deals more t...
no, its not good, to play it optimally u need to have 100 rage at the end of ravager so u only spend your gcds on WW in the 6 second window, mean u cant spend rage and you likely to overcap so your not only not putting up defensives u are also actively not using the teir and just wasting rage
strong forum
Literally counterproductive
tropic linden
if i don't like pressing buttons, what's the best class to play? Not only tank, all of them
ionic fern
That's...a weird one.
Have you tried playing FPS'es?
You don't need to press much buttons there.
tropic linden
if i don't like pressing buttons, what's the best class to play? Not only tank, ...
Just out of curiosity
Not that i want to play
safe dirge
with 4p u play AM in every place instead of HR right ?
jagged pier
yes
safe dirge
kk
tropic linden
I have the highest APM from my guild, 60CPM. What are urs CPM?
My healers have 30CPM
tropic linden
My healers have 30CPM
Why DPS when u can overheal and walk in circles?
jagged pier
i get like 85-90 with 4pc now
weell thats a lie, not even sense is at 85 hes at 80
lofty widget
tropic linden
jagged pier
why not top damage then
okay im a lier im at 83 on a log im looking at
never really looked tbh
lofty widget
why not top damage then
low ilvl probably
strong forum
Squeak
Keep in mind cpm isn't exactly apm
Some procs, like squeak and celestial guidance/sinful rev, count as casts
lofty widget
no squeaks in my logs
jagged pier
nah with out squeak hes at 80 nome
strong forum
Then I'd like to see the logs
strong forum
Cuz 88 is unnaturally high
jagged pier
i just looked at his skolex kill
lofty widget
oh dang youre right
strong forum
Seems aight
jagged pier
if i take taunts out around 80
strong forum
Slow af spec 🧢
jagged pier
strong forum
If anybody ever complains about nothing to press again ima slap a bitch
jagged pier
☝️
chrome falcon
guess i suck i'm only getting like 72 cpm skolex 
jagged pier
blazing condor
Spam taunt and sr and everything else thats off gcd
blazing condor
Clear raid and if no shield take it otherwise take belt ?
jagged pier
shoulders for tier next week
strong forum
For a sanity reasons
strong forum
Cuz you like it
uncut sky
why do u like it
strong forum
Cuz it's fun
blazing condor
If you wont be doing any top tier content (rwf/top keys) then the only thing u need to ask urself is: do i like it?
If the answer is yes
Then you play it
blazing condor
Idk ive been playing prot since cata almost exclusively. I cant really formulate why
strong forum
Uuuh... I just do, I like the playstyle
blazing condor
I like the class, the kit, the playstyle is very rewarding when done correctly
strong forum
Hard to explain when you've played it for better part of a decade
blazing condor
It feels good to play it well
Less competition so i can inflate my ego a smudge more when i perform better than others
strong forum
I also like playing an underdog class
And pwar is pretty much the underdog among tanks
blazing condor
Its high apm and clicking buttons fun
also it feels good to mitigate a ton of damage
Instead of healing
craggy pilot
alrdy have 278 shoulder tier
craggy pilot
but prolly gonna take wep
jagged pier
u should raid den
deft hinge
im also 0p andy, in Legion they made Legos more chance to drop the more u didnt get. could do the same here with tier
wild hemlock
prot warrior and dk are the only "fun" tanks
actually idk about dh, ive never played it
prot pally is so miserably boring though. woof
craggy pilot
warr is fun, knowing what you can SR and shit
Pala is more about what can be BOP and Freedom etc
deft hinge
why the damn raiding. i want tier but not having to raid to get it.
«i want to have a little houseparty with a few friends. No we cant accept this blizz says, u gotta go to the rave downtown taking exstacy gettin wasted!»
blazing condor
My short experience with vdh was just ”sigil simulator”
Put down shit
And i dont even use @cursor so it was even less fun
craggy pilot
no tier on my pala either 😦
strong forum
why the damn raiding. i want tier but not having to raid to get it.
«i want to ...
Starting next week you can craft tier
And then it's slowly gonna ramp up so you can craft a tierpiece like every 2 days
deft hinge
yes, 1 a week. That will be my first tier.
strong forum
I agree that it's just weird design
They should've started with that as soon as mythic opened
deft hinge
i agree so much on that one
craggy pilot
And then it's slowly gonna ramp up so you can craft a tierpiece like every 2 day...
every 2 days? what?
jagged pier
On last patch
its not last patch tho
deft hinge
every 2 days? what?
prob. a month after
blazing condor
jagged pier
and we get to do iron docks
blazing condor
They cant keep getting away with it
jagged pier
1 of the worst dungeons ever made
ppl voted for i guarentee because they think youll get full trash with the stars
which wont happen
jagged pier
auchidoun was trash
blazing condor
It sucks but feels easy
jagged pier
shadow moon was trash
blazing condor
Grimrail depot would be a fiesta
blazing condor
Wod raids:
Wod dgs:
jagged pier
and prot was worst tank for CMs
our best trinket was a world drop trinket for cms
👍
jagged pier
brf ❤️
chrome falcon
auchindoun would suck for m+
it's just a corridor
and i'm PRETTY sure there's a mob in there that just stuns the tank for 5 seconds
no telegraph or outplay
blazing condor
Idk its weird to include dungeons not made with m+ in mind into m+
Challenge modes existed ig but still
Not exactly the same
vernal vale
I played gladiator dps to get my gold challenge modes.
Man I miss that spec just crazy APM
strong forum
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think 4pc necro war is the fastest spec (besides a madness spriest in early legion) the game has ever had
limber sky
Prot war necro
jagged pier
like leaping was part of your rotation and a dps increase
strong forum
Bit on the low end of dps
jagged pier
a bit?
strong forum
Unless you're undergeard like I am c:
drowsy scarab
hey guys, how much baseline haste do i need?