Reaping basically wasn't an affix
#protection
strong forum
So it didn't impact anything
Prideful on the other hand
Literally ruined your key
But reaping was just free pad which you could chain into bigger pulls
chrome falcon
yeah reaping isn't bad or anything i just don't rate it super highly
prideful was absolutely awful
latent pier
g'huun had to be the worst ever
strong forum
Reaping was goated, best affix to just blast braindead keys
latent pier
then again they balanced bosses around prideful
strong forum
That's my take
chrome falcon
i feel like the current season is better to braindead blast
because you literally always have CDs
latent pier
I don't know what I hate more, I want to say my knee jerk "fuck this affix" choice is between g'huun and prideful
chrome falcon
it's infested
chrome falcon
infested is EASILY the worst season affix, and that's even after you accept that emissaries are EASILY the second worst
latent pier
Prideful's more beneficial but prideful the dungeon was balanced around
strong forum
Besides deathskipping or invis
And in high keys if you couldn't skip prideful it was a huge investment to beat it
Infested was controlled "okay kill this and don't let it get away"
Still awful
chrome falcon
infested felt absolutely horrible because by the end of legion you were pulling 3-5 packs at a time and absolutely eviscerating everything
and suddenly
strong forum
But I'd say prideful being harder than some bosses isn't good either
mighty valley
prideful was all worth it for denathrius negging us through the whole key
chrome falcon
OH YOU WANT TO PULL TWO PACKS AT ONCE MOTHERFUCKER?
NOPE YOU NEED TO CC THIS FUCKIN WORM AND IF YOU EVER HIT IT THE PACK FULL HEALS LMAO
chrome falcon
and my god if you ever actually let the worms get away
they'd pull the next fucking pack too
median tulip
I disliked Prideful because of how static it made the routes if you were going to leverage the pridefuls for bosses or big packs
chrome falcon
yeah
"oh ok we've done our 20% lets all stand still now and wait for this asshole to spawn"
blazing condor
Someone accidentally pulled extra
We will now get pride mid pack
And not for the boss
Gg go next
ebon geyser
is prot good only with tier or nah
mellow patio
I hate to jump in and insert myself but it seems everyone has forgotten BEGUILING was an affix
That was the biggest dumpster of an affix I have ever seen
limpid ruin
What’s wrong with having 1/3 of week being completely dead on top of the old issues with tyran? It was sweet
sweet summit
:clueless:
safe thistle
lets talk about importannt things, like why we cant have 2h weapon as main hand as prot ! 😛
agile pumice
Dual wield shields
sick sentinel
one of the best ones was the purple /green ghosts
safe thistle
yah i want dualwield shield with dual slam
sick sentinel
theres your "big magic dmg kill warrior tonk" scenario
died alot to that
yeah dw shield and add classification between buckler and kite (just light and heavy) for leather/mail user
craggy pilot
anyone have a good route for Streets?
just did left route, with 5 deaths on +16, and was still tight in time
1 min left when we ended
chrome falcon
it's a tight timer
your route was probably fine if you timed with 5 deaths and your dps were bad
chrome falcon
gives free charges
lofty widget
you get knocked back and charge in again
chrome falcon
what about him
lofty widget
same thing
chrome falcon
tank him where he spawns, put your back to the wall
lofty widget
just stand so you dont get knocked into mines
craggy pilot
still left route?
chrome falcon
what does route have to do with that guy
you have to pull him regardless he's mandatory
fathom jetty
i heard he's skippable actually
vocal geode
you pull him to the wall
craggy pilot
and the patrol is gonna get pulled if i pull back?
chrome falcon
i don't understand what you mean
craggy pilot
wont you get mines in melee then?
lofty widget
no
vocal geode
nop
craggy pilot
hmm
chrome falcon
if your melee are dumbfucks and stand in mines that's their fault
craggy pilot
i got pulled into mine with the beam
lofty widget
i skip left and right side and play the majority of my count in the end
can recommend it
chrome falcon
i still don't understand your confusion
craggy pilot
do you skip with the Wo from the start?
chrome falcon
what does the big area have to do with it
craggy pilot
what does the big area have to do with it
i mean the patrol
chrome falcon
what does that have to do with it
lofty widget
just put your back into the console if youre worried about pulling extra
craggy pilot
those 2 with the red pathing
lofty widget
i play those with the packs on the side
craggy pilot
i play those with the packs on the side
do you skip the Armored Overseer in first boss room with Wo as well?
lofty widget
yep, so you can clear the minigame with stealth and avoid all the mobs that spawn
lofty widget
yeah you do it in like 15-20 seconds with speedbuff
craggy pilot
cool lol
i will try that
will save a ton of time holy fk
that pack on #2 is it stealthed?
lofty widget
no
craggy pilot
ah ok
very helpful thx 🙂
will try it next
and its still lust 1st, Mail + Last right?
lofty widget
yeah
vernal vale
Definitely going to make use of Wo next time I do streets and see how that goes.
Anyone have a good way to remember where all the market shit goes? The number of dps who run in circles not finding the right place is astronomical
chrome falcon
there's a weakaura
craggy pilot
lol just watching a video where they go left route, and take WO, and 1 guy runs and does the maze, while the rest clear mailroom 🤣
holy shit thats big brain
fathom jetty
if you go left and have good timings, you can lust 1st, menagerie, mailroom, and last boss
median tulip
lol just watching a video where they go left route, and take WO, and 1 guy runs ...
link?
chilly brook
lol just watching a video where they go left route, and take WO, and 1 guy runs ...
yea
been doing something similar for a little bit now
go right with wo after first boss
craggy pilot
but guess it requires someone to know what to do 😄
chilly brook
start RP
craggy pilot
i went like "who takes package on pw boss"
sick sentinel
Disregarding its Necro week. how does one increase the amount of healing Indomitable does
craggy pilot
and the entire grp was like "you" 🤣
craggy pilot
have one dude zoom through the thing
ye
chilly brook
go clear trash until lust
fathom jetty
a more pug-friendly way to do it is to grab that same pack he pulls, but pull it into market. If you kill Wo late, the tank can just run the market himself
craggy pilot
a more pug-friendly way to do it is to grab that same pack he pulls, but pull it...
what is the rest of the grp doing meanwhile?
fathom jetty
the market takes all of 30-40 secs
if you want fully optimized, don't use a strategy for pugs 🙂
mighty valley
Disregarding its Necro week. how does one increase the amount of healing Indomit...
Not sure I understand the question? It heals based on rage spent, so maximize rage income and don't overcap
sick sentinel
You understood the question (it's kind of a stupid question). I suppose I need to be more aggressive with my rage usage to get more healing out of it
median tulip
Disregarding its Necro week. how does one increase the amount of healing Indomit...
Have 4 set, generate and spend more rage
chrome falcon
you shouldn't ever really think about "using" indom
it's just a nice hot and stam buff
spend your rage correctly, don't overcap and the indom will follow
sick sentinel
The reason I'm thinking about it because I struggle to pick myself up after dropping low with HP
and was thiking about using impending victory
sick sentinel
got ya
median tulip
Welcome to Warrior tanking; that's the healers problem
sick sentinel
Sounds like its mostly just an issue with my play style then
median tulip
If you want a class with self-healing, Warrior ain't it
chrome falcon
yeah if you got low it was either your fault for mitigating poorly, your healers fault for TOTALLY ignoring you, or your dps' fault for letting tankbusters cast
sick sentinel
Yea too many variables there
chrome falcon
just assume it was the first one
sick sentinel
I suppose I'm just jealous of paladins and other tanks who can recover from a mistake lol
chrome falcon
just whatever you do please don;t play IV
median tulip
Have 4 set, don't be Venthyr, Charge early, Charge Often, Intervene on cooldown. All valid ways of increasing Rage generation, and therefore Rage available to spend
sick sentinel
I always assume first one
and roger, won't use impending victory
Thanks for the tips, I'll be more aggressive on my rage usage and working on my rage generation
median tulip
using Unnerving Focus is a good idea as well
craggy pilot
Thanks for the tips, I'll be more aggressive on my rage usage and working on my ...
no need to be more "aggresive" just never overcap on rage, ever
and use your CDs
thats basically it
craggy pilot
using Unnerving Focus is a good idea as well
feels so dumb when i raid, and pop Last stand in opener, getting 80 rage for just Demo shout 🤣
and then 80 more rage from Avatar
and then 80 more rage from Empowered SS
delicate iron
I'm trying to figure out "rotation" to increase my DPS. Would you use Thunderclap nearly on every CD to try reset shield slam as often as possible or just spam revenge aggressively and only use TC occassionally when you have no rage left and SS is on CD?
median tulip
Thanks for the tips, I'll be more aggressive on my rage usage and working on my ...
Revenj moar
sick sentinel
Thank for the tips guys
craggy pilot
I'm trying to figure out "rotation" to increase my DPS. Would you use Thundercla...
use TC when its rdy always, except when you have "Outburst" from tier set
any excess rage goes into IP
no need to "spam revenge" if you have SS / TC to cast
delicate iron
I usually prioritise SS > TC to reset SS > Revenge
median tulip
I'm trying to figure out "rotation" to increase my DPS. Would you use Thundercla...
TC is a Rage builder, so use on Cooldown; only Shield Slam is a higher priority on the GCD
delicate iron
Sounds good
craggy pilot
just make sure you dont waste your Tier Set on TC
delicate iron
What tier set? 😥
craggy pilot
😬
delicate iron
1/4, soon hopefully!
craggy pilot
3/4 🤞
had a warr in a pug last week, get 3 tier set in a row
Anduin, Rygelon, Lords
all 3 dropped for him
like wtf
delicate iron
Cleared whole normal - 0 drops
craggy pilot
no clue why they dont do token drop like earlier days 🤔
median tulip
I got 3 in week 1, not a single once since
distant crystal
no clue why they dont do token drop like earlier days 🤔
they...do?
craggy pilot
they...do?
ye valor, but i mean for tier pieces
distant crystal
tier drops as tokens
craggy pilot
ah i missspoke then, i meant like badge of valor or whatever
distant crystal
i guess you mean like vendor? catalyst will basically be that starting next week
distant crystal
would've been nice if it started like two weeks ago instead
mighty valley
dropping items is actually more exciting than dropping currency, i'm sorry to all gamers out there but that's how brains work
craggy pilot
but the bosses dont even drop the item anyway
mighty valley
the current tokens are already a compromise
craggy pilot
they drop an item that creates the set piece
mighty valley
but that's close enough
mighty valley
they do not care about RWF splits
craggy pilot
just have bosses drop gear like normal
and then drop tokens
and for 25 tokens you can put an item in the Catalyst Creater, to transform it into Tier
expx
mighty valley
isn't that what we're going to have in a week
craggy pilot
you get both gear drops, and easy tier with no RNG
yes, but its way too late, and made as a catchup system
instead of as a main system
mighty valley
why is it way too late for a patch that's going to last a real long time
chrome falcon
man how the fuck did sense melee swing 46 times more than me on mythic pantheon
craggy pilot
just feels weird that its made as a catchup for people unlucky
chrome falcon
when my fight was longer
craggy pilot
rather than eliminating the unlucky in the first place
chrome falcon
how does that even happen
craggy pilot
how does that even happen
haste? 🤔
chrome falcon
nope
mighty valley
rather than eliminating the unlucky in the first place
because luck is fun, and to have lucky people you have to have unlucky people
craggy pilot
because luck is fun, and to have lucky people you have to have unlucky people
not rly sure i agree there tbh
craggy pilot
isn't windfury 10%
well, did you have WF on that boss?
chrome falcon
no but he had 20% more melees than me
mighty valley
"why doesn't vegas just give people steady wins"
craggy pilot
and WF is buffed to 100% if the enha has lego right? or is that only for themself?
craggy pilot
"why doesn't vegas just give people steady wins"
not everyone likes vegas bro wtf is that comparison 🤣
wow is not a gambling game
mighty valley
sure it is, they want you addicted to trying to loot stuff
median tulip
and WF is buffed to 100% if the enha has lego right? or is that only for themsel...
Only themselves, and nobody runs Doom Winds any more anyway
craggy pilot
Only themselves, and nobody runs Doom Winds any more anyway
🤷♀️ im only zug zug so idk 😄
median tulip
Enhance got a load of changes in 9.2, and plus Doom Winds doesn't gain any benefit from the Urh Relic
craggy pilot
no but he had 20% more melees than me
try to @ him lol 😄
chrome falcon
nah he's not gonna have an answer anyway i'm just trying to figure out how he's 1.5k ahead and him having nearly 25% more melees than me is the first thing i noticed
craggy pilot
ye more melee = more SS = more dmg
chrome falcon
we SS'd about the same and i cast way more revenges
craggy pilot
im also having hard time with the stupid banner uptime :<
sturdy sable
Oh yeah im in my WF group
chrome falcon
but his average SS was 7.5k and mine was 7.1k..
sturdy sable
Its real nice
craggy pilot
but his average SS was 7.5k and mine was 7.1k..
bigger shield ilvl maybe?
or block rate
chrome falcon
uh i don't think either those things matter but regardless i have a 278
craggy pilot
he did gain benevolent faerie once tho, not sure how big dps increase that is
chrome falcon
basically nothing
craggy pilot
surprised hes running The Wall
chrome falcon
it's for the humbling strikes in the last phase
to reduce incoming raid damage
he did get 6 more outburst procs i guess that might do it
ah 800 more rage generation
yeah that'd do it
chrome falcon
yeah i can't do anything about ITF uptime though lol
craggy pilot
might also be a better lust timing or something
a lot of small factors
wait wtf, does the Kyrian Goliath melee count as your melee? 🤣
latent pier
I wish yee all luck tomorruh in the vault.
scenic mural
ty for tier shoulders
latent pier
yaaay
austere forum
where are the necro soulbinds for raid?
latent pier
how much better is a 278 shield compared to a 272
I'm kinda weighing what lootspec I want to vault, and I'm leaning on arms just because the tank trinkets are all mostly horrible.
dark lark
where are the necro soulbinds for raid?
Marileth with veterans, adaptive, and ashen juggernaut
latent pier
where are the necro soulbinds for raid?
I think something like this.
not at the soul forge but inspiring in that empty slot.
tender oyster
where is the hate on prot warrior coming from for m+? applying for TOP 15's and i have a 18 timed, getting declined and whispered that "we dont want a prot warrior, need a better tank"
cyan quartz
they just dont do very much damage and it can be hard to keep aggro with certain specs like fury in a group
theyre still really tanky but every tank spec is tanky and every other one has better dmg and utility
cinder dirge
high skill low reward
Just the way it is mate
timber dagger
@tender oyster they just don't know the game well
thinking meta classes can only play m+
and prot warr is actually really good in top..
mighty valley
bad prot warriors are very bad
so i'm sure that's most of what they've seen, plus they watch some bad tier list video
no, you are bleeding and have a 150% increased phys damage taken debuff
yeah i think he's fixated on the target the whole time
austere forum
thanks
austere forum
any sweet weak auras to track banner?
jagged pier
No there is no world where u take finesse over endurance in raid
gray iris
hey guys what do you think of brutal vitality as a conduit choice?
jagged pier
Okay 4th choice
mighty valley
for endurance is it still focus > guardian > sphere?
dunno if the others got any better
waxen orbit
for endurance is it still focus > guardian > sphere?
Focus > Sphere > Guard
AM accounts for lack of Guard and Sphere gives way too much extra healing
mighty valley
I guess on the couple of wall fights it's so low already
waxen orbit
Necrolord defensiveness accounts for it with tier set
civic torrent
any sweet weak auras to track banner?
waxen orbit
Lots of excess IP and Indom healing plus SW CDR
mighty valley
🙏 for 4p tomorrow
waxen orbit
Manifest it
You’ll get it for sure next week
Next week? This week? Idfk
Tired
slep
civic torrent
GN mate
jagged pier
for endurance is it still focus > guardian > sphere?
Hes the extra rage and AM stnergy from tier set makes guardian even more powerful
Never not had SW for when ive needed it in raid
Healing from sphere is nice but its nit as strong as sw cd
But when your necro u have 3x potency and 3x endurance anyway
mighty valley
base rally good enough?
civic torrent
Not taking rally conduit seems like a mistake
jagged pier
never had an issue not running it as necro, even during prog
🤷
either way u just go right at the bottom and take rally if u want it
and have sphere at the bottom as well
cold zealot
I am doubting my push to put me in the WF group over our ret or one of our sub rogues. Looking at Skloex mythic logs, in groups with enough other melees they drop the protwarr for melee dps even for a demonhunter.
Is it better for overall prog dps to just put dps into wf bc we as tanks cant really use the theoretical dps benefit?
My strongest argument for myself in WF was that while i wont get 100% damage benefit it also helps with survivability through more rage generated and dps also dont have 100% uptime usually so they also lose theoretical value.
jagged pier
what do u mean we dont get the full dps benefit
of course we do
like i dont know what your guild is doing, but i get into WF group everytime
i dont even need to argue my point
number one they get more damage out of me than some dps will get from it so its a dps gain for the raid
and i get more rage to do with what i want
usually more damage
but u get more SS procs etc etc literally going back into the feedback loop of the class
strong forum
Pwar gets more dmg out of WF than most dps classes do...
jagged pier
like its actually dumb to not put prot in the WF group especially if they have tier
cold zealot
yeah that is also my point i rarely or never need to pump ip over revenge so the dps loss for using the rage for that is negligent.
But is the wf dps increase bc we just get more auto-dps or ist ist factoring in more revenges
my healing officer is still worried bc he saw me getting trucked in keys and on some bosses week one and two but warr has changed since then with gear, buffs and 4set...
jagged pier
i mean u shouldnt have been getting trucked week 1 or 2 tbh
cold zealot
i felt alright in raids, adjusting to the difficulty in m+ took some time for me
core of my question really ist, do we realisticly get the full damage benefit of windfury and is it worth it over a dps thats simming the same dps increase with our current gear
Id say yes, alway because there is more potential and an added defensive benefit that more rage brings.
blazing condor
Wf is good
jagged pier
There is no dps thats gets the same value out of wf, or last i checked prot get like 6% which is highest out of every spec
jagged pier
^
Like WF is literally more procs more rage which is more outburst which is more damage and more buffed ips
strong forum
With bis gear WF is 700 dps for necro pwar
jagged pier
Then feed that into execute phase
strong forum
For normal 4pc pwar it's around 500 dps
cold zealot
yeah bis gear alright but for example our ret and i sim the same dps increase with our current gear, about 550dps
ionic fern
No.
jagged pier
Yes
jagged pier
🤷♂️
ionic fern
Should be the same as a normal IP now.
jagged pier
I mean doesnt really matter anyway u hit cap regardless
jagged pier
IP the faster way to get outburst and more damage tho
jagged pier
😂
strong forum
yeah bis gear alright but for example our ret and i sim the same dps increase wi...
Yeah that's more than most dps gain from WF
cold zealot
sure but if the decision has to be made, dps and tank theoratically simming the same. Who is to be put in wf?
cold zealot
real answer or bisaed bc we are the prot warrior
jagged pier
well again im not the one that makes our WF group
and i get put in it everytime
over dps
so thats pretty none biased
strong forum
If the dps gain is equal, the pwar gets more out of it because its not just dps for us
Pretty simple ain't it
cold zealot
okay, thank you. 🙂
Sorry for coming up with that topic repretadly but its a discussion between our officers :/
strong forum
The only thing the ret pally gets is better logs
cold zealot
If the dps gain is equal, the pwar gets more out of it because its not just dps ...
thats always my point... but hard for dps and others to comprehend in my guild
ionic fern
okay, thank you. 🙂
Sorry for coming up with that topic repretadly but its a dis...
Just send your officers here.
🤷
cold zealot
lol try to get anyone interested in any protwarriors. They worry i cant survive mythic which we are starting now...
im beeing asked why im griefing the raid just worded nicer...
ocean reef
But you have a ret pala with you and you're being asked why you grief 
With their mindset they would also bench the ret pala and get some meta class
cold zealot
yeah. Big discussion if we need to go more meta or keep the players we have and know at least can perform...
cold zealot
They are brainwashed from streamers and meta...
ionic fern
Just link them Sense's logs.
jagged pier
yer prot warrior is griefing raid and not perfectly fine/ actually extremely strong on jailer because u spend like 4mins in execute
ocean reef
Ngl if you're just starting mythic now, you're at a level where it doesn't really matter what class you play and you should just bring the player and not the class
ionic fern
They still aren't?
jagged pier
they never will be again
ionic fern
😦
jagged pier
west walrus
jagged pier
my forever second place to sense 🙏
cold zealot
Ngl if you're just starting mythic now, you're at a level where it doesn't reall...
Thats also my take on it... but then they hit you with, less ppl play, we only raid one night and need to compare higher and so on
cant get the meta out of meta slaves
strong forum
If you're just now starting mythic, class choice is the least of your problems
ocean reef
If you swap players and/or their classes then you will very likely get punished harder than letting people play their preferred class
west walrus
I see many people unable to complete dungeons in time, because they die and pad a lot, instead of playing tactics
cold zealot
I see many people unable to complete dungeons in time, because they die and pad ...
Did i hear blackpowder rogues on halls shard pulls?^^
sweet summit
I see many people unable to complete dungeons in time, because they die and pad ...
literally me
ocean reef
Stop padding in our DoS cages Erga..
jagged pier
erga share all your secret strats with me please 
sweet summit
yell at healer to heal when i have 63 necrotic stacks
ionic fern
Smart.
sweet summit
necro is for cool kids
jagged pier
^
ocean reef
Hipster..
sweet summit
you wouldn't understand
west walrus
5 pwarr key today?
ionic fern
No.
west walrus
ocean reef
crab prison...
Kill tonight?
ionic fern
If we did a 5 prot warrior key i wouldn't be invited cause i play a prot warrior.
ocean reef
🦀 🪦
sweet summit
Kill tonight?
for sure...
ocean reef
4sure..
ionic fern
fo'sure
sweet summit
7% yesterday...
ocean reef
😳
sweet summit
there is hope...
jagged pier
sweet summit
bomba go boom...
ionic fern
I wonder if Paladins are playing Crab build on Crab.
ocean reef
💣 🤯 
sweet summit
wtf is crab build
jagged pier
just do the Chinese guild strat @sweet summit 
blazing condor
If we did a 5 prot warrior key i wouldn't be invited cause i play a prot warrior...
ocean reef
We have decided not to, for fear of our lives (and kill)
jagged pier
understandble
ocean reef
Pretty sure it's a big enough exploit that Blizzard would roll it back if you did it that way
Unless it'd be seen as a "clever use of game mechanics"
sweet summit
just do the Chinese guild strat <@!165864577760755712> <:yep:703420923625078804>
and get banned? 
jagged pier
tbh it is kinda clever use of game mechanics
like your using what the game has given u to break the encounter
sweet summit
yeah just remove the entire mythic mechanic :)
ocean reef
!!
jagged pier
i mean bliz gave them the option to do it
🤷
dont let everyone one be NF and 1 necro tank
🤷
blazing condor
🤷♂️
dawn canyon
How'd they get rid of the bombs
ocean reef
How'd they get rid of the bombs
Let them blow up, and everyone pops Dreamwalker seed
You do it in P2 when the last bombs spawn, then they wont respawn
ocean reef
Yes
dawn canyon
That's disgusting lol
Dreamweaver too good
So u just gotta do easy Mode p3
But if u wipe 5 min break timer
pure sun
How many targets for outburst to be better spent on thunderclap over shield slam?
jagged pier
there isnt
jagged pier
well it gives u 2 revenges
median tulip
SS always generates more Rage
pure sun
Also one more question, if I have max rage with 3-5+ targets in m+, is it better to rage dump some on revenge then TC? Or tc then revenge when on SS+TC cd?
pure sun
What if I dont need ip tho
median tulip
You did something wrong to get to having max rage with a rage generator off cd
jagged pier
u IP
pure sun
reprisal op
ionic fern
You don't care if you need IP or not.
Treat it as a rage spender.
The "oh no, i'm IP capped" doesn't mean crap.
pure sun
Aight well say I'm quite literally taking 0 damage, is it better to slap revenges out or press TC in multi target if capped
ionic fern
Aight well say I'm quite literally taking 0 damage, is it better to slap revenge...
- You won't be taking 0 damage
2)Revenge + IP -> TC
Your main goal is to NEVER waste any rage. While TC is a generator i would postpone it by 1 GCD to Revenge+IP for the damage/rage dump and then TC.
strong forum
You want to spend rage regardless of dmg intake, to feed into AM and feed into outburst
civic torrent
^
blazing condor
we supposed to have avatar on bars?
sweet summit
woof
ruby berry
I only hit it when hekili tells me to
sweet summit
gaming
dawn canyon
i type it out
gets a bit trickier when you want to use revenge
blazing condor
idk when it changed but SD is honestly pretty nice to run now
Dg is still ass but i used to think it was way harder
jagged pier
🧑🚀 🔫 🧑🚀 always has been
blazing condor
maybe
vocal geode
after dung nerf in 9.0 it became pretty easy
blazing condor
probably lol
vocal geode
streets gonna be a joke now too
blazing condor
good
vocal geode
mobs got even more gutted
blazing condor
idk i feel like taz is just poorly made for m+ overall atm
maybe not so much now with incoming nerfs
vocal geode
gonna be a cakewalk now
median tulip
Those are certainly some chunky Nerfs to streets
vocal geode
blazing condor
havent really pushed anything this season yet best ive done is a 19
blazing condor
same honestly
i never did taz even once before it came into m+
i cba with mega-dungeons
vocal geode
I did it for mount
and I got so'leah mount on 2nd gambit run this season
feelsgood
blazing condor
😎
vocal geode
my monk got codex on his 2nd streets run so he never needs to go back
unless I decide to get 278 conduits on him
vocal geode
sweet summit
would've timed all if u played prot
vocal geode
for sure
sweet summit
ur benched this season
vocal geode
unless they give them more survivability
vocal geode
sweet summit
vocal geode
or I can play my brewmaster
get 50% more keg smash dmg
and heal for 66% of damage it deals
blazing condor
sweet summit
you do you 🙂
blazing condor
slight smile
static scroll
Hello, I haven’t played in a few years and am coming back. Thinking of doing a prot warrior and starting from 1. How are they right now? How’s leveling and how are they at high level? Just interested in tanking
vocal geode
they are decent and recently got buffed
so depends on what content you do, some tanks are performing better now
but unless you go for cutting edge keys
blazing condor
Hello, I haven’t played in a few years and am coming back. Thinking of doing a p...
tldr tank balance is in a good spot right now and any tank is viable. At the very highest level is where differences really matter and there we aren't in the top.
vocal geode
it doesnt really matter
static scroll
I have a prot pally but I remember it being boring
blazing condor
class can feel slow when leveling but once you get higher haste% its gonna be speedy
blazing condor
we are a really high CPM class so you always got something to press
not any real downtime
mellow gorge
Necro warr seems to be more fun than kyrian especially
cold zealot
If you like high cpm and much to do warr is fun in iself. The class experience is fun and gets better with tier.
Honestly though at the moment the community experience is shit. Warr is not wanted because of bad tierlists and community perception. You can do everything in the game though getting into pugs can be a struggle.
mellow gorge
Keeping that banner uptime is interesting
static scroll
What’s the “preferred” tank right now
dawn canyon
brew also okayge
static scroll
Not much of a raider more push keys in dungeons
blazing condor
Not much of a raider more push keys in dungeons
this is what top tanks look like rn
primal cape
this + codex giving wprot strong survival
blazing condor
first pwarr is #25
primal cape
120k hp
static scroll
I am pretty humble I know I’m not with it enough for a DH or Monk….I have a dk, pally, bear but I find dk and pally boring.
primal cape
bears 😴
ruby berry
The top tank on thatlist doesn't even raid so don't think it's required! 😀
deft hinge
but if u want tier this part of year, gotta raid
primal cape
seeing tanks tierlist with wprot on C alone
blazing condor
but if u want tier this part of year, gotta raid
nope
you can get tier in vault
for pvp/m+
static scroll
I mean I have my pally if I want to switch, levelled and ready to go.
blazing condor
and soon you can craft tiers
deft hinge
you can get tier in vault
..
jagged pier
hes not wrong u can literally get tier in vault without raiding
and in 2 weeks u can just make tier pieces
deft hinge
6% chance, got 0 sofar
static scroll
Part of it is wanting to play alliance and not cheat by paying for it
deft hinge
got 278 tier shoulders last week
blazing condor
our tier set looks ass
deft hinge
when tier creat cata comes out its another damn timegate so we can only craft 1 set aweek. were’s the catch-up for those with 0 pieces
sweet summit
ya they all look poopoo
blazing condor
what was our coolest looking tier set?
sweet summit
you
blazing condor
😳
blazing condor
musky
strong forum
Stinky
blazing condor
🦧
frosty holly
Feel like nearly all tiers from new raid look kinda ass
blazing condor
its true
jagged pier
tier set havent looked good since ToS tbh
mainly because there havent really been any
member when they removed tier sets and they said as they dont need to spend time designing them for each class they will be really good
then we got uldir sets
craggy pilot
Do we know the m+ affix yet? 🤔
jagged pier
cause i member
strong forum
Do we know the m+ affix yet? 🤔
Huh?
craggy pilot
Or is it another few hours for the us to reset?
strong forum
Oh you mean weekly affix
craggy pilot
Yes 😇
strong forum
Reset is in 4.5hrs for NA
cold zealot
somewhere i read it will be bolstering quaking. but not sure
strong forum
This season affixes are very predictable
strong forum
But idk where the basis of that is yet
craggy pilot
Thx 😅😅
blazing condor
This season affixes are very predictable
yeah its encrypted 
craggy pilot
Encrypted fortified 😉
strong forum
Na there's some rotation out there which is pretty much in line with what's going on
For example we knew well ahead of time that it was gonna be necrotic spiteful this week
median tulip
Na there's some rotation out there which is pretty much in line with what's goin...
So what is next ?
sweet summit
teeming skittish
median tulip
teeming skittish
🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮
jagged pier
thats great if it is one combo wtf u on about
strong forum
Explosive overflowing
tame jasper
Bolstering, quaking, fortified, encrypted as of www.mythicpl.us
frosty holly
Can they just remove bolstering. Just booooring
Sure it now drops the buff after 20 sec. Still eeeh
sweet summit
current bolstering is a lot better than qhat it used to be, but still cringe
frosty holly
Mm
tame jasper
Espc that bosses cant get bolstered anymore, right?
frosty holly
Ye that was another good thing
mellow gorge
bolstering should debuff enemies
make them have reduced max health
and deal less damage
easy fix
rancid tiger
Ye i mean pulling mobs into boss is nice now... More free fury cleave
blazing condor
do boomies just have a way low skill floor or is every boomie just shit?
mellow gorge
nah that's on them lmaeo
rancid tiger
Nah on tank if u want boomie to perform
sullen valve
@ionic fern should I go crab build
jagged pier
blazing condor
pog
sullen valve
MASTERY BUILD LETS GOOOOOOOOO
deft hinge
i remember back in the days when i saw the «parry and dodge animation» on my warr, are they still there? i zoomed out too much later years, and cant remember seeing them ☺️
wild hemlock
todays the day i get mf 4 piece on my sham
blazing condor
Prayge
sick sentinel
Stack mastery.
i've won, but at what cost?
theres alot i just get really confused with when it comes to block, critical block, reflect, parry, dodge, armor
bit too overwhelming for me
urban portal
Just don't look
I'm garuantee you 70% of the top tanks don't know how they interact
whole sphinx
Umm.. codex of first technique or blood spattered scale is better? Got both 278 options in vault lol
sick sentinel
something like rogue evasion would be perfect for us, chance to have the attacks not connect
ionic fern
i've won, but at what cost?
I hope you understood that this was a joke.
lone folio
Guess who got AFE on the weekly chest?
THIS GUY 👆
ionic fern
Nice save @lone folio .
sick sentinel
I hope you understood that this was a joke.
well, i've not bene on for about 4 months, and there was a patch for us
deep steppe
Quick questions, is sigil good for us? Or am i better off taking 278 helm to make into tier next week?
sick sentinel
i saw about vengeance and some other stuff got buffed, necor was being taken, though maybe necro mastery was a thing
latent pier
2pc, let's gooooo
median tulip
Umm.. codex of first technique or blood spattered scale is better? Got both 278 ...
Ooof... tough choice
ebon geyser
Ooof... tough choice
Big oof I agree
The codex is a dmg reduction constant if I'm not mistaken and the scale is a on use
median tulip
Umm.. codex of first technique or blood spattered scale is better? Got both 278 ...
Do you have either of them at a high ilvl already?
ebon geyser
But I'm a new warrior so don't listen to me
wild hemlock
Quick questions, is sigil good for us? Or am i better off taking 278 helm to ma...
i would take helm for tier
ebon geyser
One day I'll be thyme level or sense level of amazingness
sullen tangle
How’s the first technique trinket for prot warrior? Just got a 278 ilvl one
jagged pier
median tulip
wish they'd make the secret technique an hour buff though. 30mins is an annoying duration
sullen tangle
I have a weak aura to remind me lol
median tulip
I have a Warlock to remind me lol
ebon geyser
Is the great thyme still in this amazing discord
jagged pier
try the druid discord
ebon geyser
Nooo
jagged pier
well thats where he is
ebon geyser
What has blizzard done to my folks
urban portal
The codex is a dmg reduction constant if I'm not mistaken and the scale is a on...
not constant
around 3 procs a minute
3-4
jagged pier
yes sense is the top warrior, because hes at the top
there wouldnt be a top warrior if there were different warriors at the top for everything
ebon geyser
Is there a reason why there's no more
jagged pier
because sense is literally a god at the class
ebon geyser
Or is because ppl are following the bdk and monk meta
@shut summit do u stream?
I wanna learn more on my alt
jagged pier
in the first few weeks i only know of 2 prots that were beating 4pc prots with 2 pc that was me and sense, where i was only just beating them, sense was miles ahead
ebon geyser
Mwahi not tanking anymore or just doing math for prot
chilly brook
Lots of people in 10.0 waiting room
chilly brook
I’ll start ducking around in keys as prot again this week
primal mauve
Sigil or Sack?
ebon geyser
Like I know game is shit but
chilly brook
Like any reason why
I’d assume they’re just not enjoying SL
ebon geyser
Ok so is not the class
rugged mural
Really dumb question, is a higher ilvl shield a notable DPS increase?
ionic fern
At least mwahi is still here
distant crystal
ebon geyser
<:peepoBlush:818323879315505233>
chilly brook
i've been rolling prot loot spec for like every key last week
ebon geyser
Good seeing you mwahi
distant crystal
I do 1 key a week on this guy, last week it was a 14 oof
chilly brook
I should open my vault in prot loot spec
don't need a weapon for fury
just need helm or shoulders for tier
ionic fern
Good seeing you mwahi
Welcome back. 🙂
ebon geyser
Welcome back. 🙂
Ty. I miss warrior so I undelete it
And this discord is to wholesome
Even though thyme is not here
😢
jagged pier
this place wholesome 🤔
ebon geyser
Yes
jagged pier
ive been actively trying to make is a toxic place :/
ebon geyser
U are failing..hard
jagged pier
jagged pier
fuck i try and be as unhelpful as possible
rugged mural
Really dumb question, is a higher ilvl shield a notable DPS increase?
heady latch
Really dumb question, is a higher ilvl shield a notable DPS increase?
I guess a simulation could give you an insightful answer 🤔
chilly brook
Really dumb question, is a higher ilvl shield a notable DPS increase?
I mean
you get main stat
and more secondaries
jagged pier
Really dumb question, is a higher ilvl shield a notable DPS increase?
i mean not really its main stat
chilly brook
but block has no interaction with your damage
rugged mural
Ok. Good call on the sim. But sounds like no. Appreciate the feedback. Block used to impact SS many years ago if I remember right.
jagged pier
it did
but if u have a shield upgrade u take it regardless
only piece with block on it
heady latch
Ok. Good call on the sim. But sounds like no. Appreciate the feedback. Block use...
Would you share the answer with us? I am curious, too.
rugged mural
Yeah. Can check tonight when I’m home.
ebon geyser
Isn't ilvl over anything
craggy pilot
do we know the M+ Affixes for the week in US yet?
sinful plover
Bolstering Quaking
craggy pilot
anyone have a Necro setup for M+?
jagged pier
foggy loom
@jagged pier can u send raid setup
My group dosnt have another tank so I throw on a fukin sword and shield
I have 4 piece
jagged pier
shy yoke
Is this shield worth or nah?
sweet summit
it is currently an upgrade defensively from the extra block stat gained from the passive
chrome falcon
those streets nerfs jesus
i would have been ok with like... 2 minutes extra on that timer
that feels like a lot
sweet summit
ya i spoke to a gamer friend about it
and he said that a +2min increase and a nerf to scintillate would be enough
this is just excessive
lime urchin
i would have been ok with like... 2 minutes extra on that timer
Yes this would be massively enough
chrome falcon
"we wanted to make the timer easier"
"so we nerfed all the trash into the ground"
🤔
i mean i guess it does the job but it's weird
what are the affixes btw NA gamers
lofty widget
bolstering quaking afaik
jagged pier
literally in the new channel
chrome falcon
wow you're right they literally are
i literally didn't know that that's cool!
i wonder why wowhead stopped posting them even though they were doing it like 6 months into last season
ebon geyser
Watching sense and his hp barely hit 50% on heroic jailer and I'm on my alt and my hp is like I said-a hip, hop, the hippie, the hippie to the hip hip hop-a you don't stop the rock
chrome falcon
jailer melees pretty hard but y'know we can do the whole block thing
then all you have to do is CD the shattering blasts in p2
latent pier
So just to confirm
Is 2pc enough to commit to necro or is that still kind of a 4pc thing
chrome falcon
you can literally play necro with 0pc
chrome falcon
yes having 4pc is more optimal than 2pc
ebon geyser
So is NF still the go too
chrome falcon
like you're asking if having 4pc makes necro more better than 2pc? sure yeah
ebon geyser
I mean like I'm not that smart to assign banner to dps
latent pier
For things like perma banner shenanigans
chrome falcon
ignore your group with banner
ebon geyser
What u mean
chrome falcon
what i said
fuck your group
banner is for you
the benefit to your group is marginal just use it for yourself
latent pier
Big true
sick sentinel
i didn't like the spores bubble ability you can choose, and i did like the ones where you get more HP and can do it while move
i feel like that bubble is a bit rediculous
ebon geyser
Doing campaign again oof
sick sentinel
i did all campaign expect for 80 NF 80 venth
tropic linden
6% chance, got 0 sofar
Lol, don't hate me, got 2 pieces in 2 weeks with only 3 slots open on vault
ebon geyser
3 weeks 1 piece on my monk
latent pier
Three priest tiers dropped last week and I've been stuck on 3/4 for awhile on my main :(
Vault gave warrior 2pc at least
chrome falcon
have had 6+ vault slots every week so far and seen tier 0 times
guess we'll see how tomorrow goes
craggy pilot
love it when i get a pug hunter who doesnt know how to lust
a healer who does 5k hps on tough pulls
and dies 3 times on Skeleton boss
😄
and then they write to me "sshit tanking mate"
"learn to tank"
tawny maple
You were obviously taking 0 damage that's why they were doing 5k HPS 😎
craggy pilot
he died 3 times on skeleton boss, to the dispellable dot
lock kept CR ing him
😄
quaint glade
Hello, can someone please tell me at what % to leave the stormhelm in gambit?
chrome falcon
52
um
you can yeah
but going from anduin to lihuvim would be the same as just doing lihuvim anyway
since you'd have to go through dausegne and panth anyway
and yes you have to do vigilant guardian
craggy pilot
i weould say 41% excluding the big guys
chrome falcon
best way to do the dungeon is to wo to first boss then either 1) finish the instance and port back to kill murlocs meaning you don't have to kill guardians or 2) backtrack after first boss for murlocs
i like strategy 1 because it lets people dip out and grab aoe talents to just obliterate murlocs
latent pier
and dies 3 times on Skeleton boss
actually how
latent pier
i like strategy 1 because it lets people dip out and grab aoe talents to just ob...
thats incredible, lol
craggy pilot
actually how
dont know, maybe he was just bad kekw
mighty valley
I really like just coming back after last boss, lets you skip the stormforged guys past the murlocs completely
craggy pilot
can i reflect phantasmal parasite?
radiant magnet
Theres a list in the pins, but no
mighty valley
20% DR on it is helpful though
Another week no tier
Also don't have any 278s ready to zap next week, blugh
Oh well I'll live
gray iris
hey guys.,. do you immediately start off your pull with avatar, sob and ravager? Or do you do them midway
mighty valley
Throw ravager before charge, blow everything at the start
You're just looking for as much avatar uptime + as many good spear casts as possible, so if they're sitting off cooldown, that's time wasting
This is a big thing to work on, overcapping rage a lot - you can just hit IP off the GCD as much as needed to stay below cap
latent pier
war 2pc feels great, woo.
I actually didn't notice the IP part.
as in I didn't even know about it till I re-read today.
mighty valley
That was part of the 2nd pass when they separated outburst and seeing red
latent pier
nice.