protection

[ionic fern]

[cinder nova]

Doing 2s as prot with a sub rogue

This lock just fucking deleted himself with chaos bolt

I ran rebound just for him

[ionic fern]

😂

[cinder nova]

Funniest shit I've seen all season.

Didn't even notice I got a 50.9K SS in the same match

[ionic fern]

I have hopes..that this week i will get my 1p.

[ionic fern]

Is this..is this the comeback @patent osprey ?

[deft hinge]

me2, still hopin for that 1p bonus

[cinder nova]

Alright boys

I got a 3x3 vault

No way I miss tier

Right?

[blazing condor]

👎

[topaz field]

is booming voice the play after recent changes to demo shout?

im talking about m+ btw

[jagged pier]

if u have tier set yes

[topaz field]

thank you

[blazing condor]

yall think blizz secretly buffs tier drop chance in vault every week?

[sand pebble]

Not a secret they openly stated you get bonus chance after having killed that boss

[blazing condor]

well for like m+/pvp

fixed value + x * (missing tier pieces)

[mighty valley]

they buff it every week if you're a dog with a crown that week

idk we're all gonna be able to fill in all our pieces one reset after this one

[blazing condor]

true

[jagged pier]

U dont, no tier set in vault and ive killed all tier bosses at least once a week since patch start

or at least its like 1% extra chance

[vocal geode]

seen tier once in vault (week 1)

monk had lfr tier legs which I didnt take

monk still rocking 0 pc

[sweet summit]

lors say something positive about prot warrior challenge

[jagged pier]

prot warrior challenge?

[vocal geode]

prot does a lot of damage before they die

[autumn pendant]

Prot is strong independant spec

[sand pebble]

Defeating raid bosses that drop tier will increase your chances of receiving that tier slot from the Raids row.

[jagged pier]

yer i know what they said

but it hasnt happened for me

and u would think if u killed all tier bosses each week like i have u should at least see tier regularly in vault

which i havent

[sweet summit]

[blazing condor]

still have 0 boss kills

[jagged pier]

[ocean reef]

Are you letting Lors get to you?..

[vocal geode]

he's starting to realise it

[sweet summit]

lors is a lost cause...

prot fuck good

[strong forum]

Lorst cause

[vocal geode]

[ocean reef]

I've witnessed ErgaWProtectionWarrior in person

[strong forum]

[vocal geode]

highest I've tanked is a 20 last season as prot warrior

[ocean reef]

Can confirm that prot does not die

[vocal geode]

prot def felt stronger last season

[ocean reef]

He tanked +16 DoS pug cages

[sweet summit]

[ocean reef]

That's a very daunting task

[vocal geode]

[sweet summit]

no more cage...

[blazing condor]

ptsd

[strong forum]

Inspiring fort DoS is cursed

That key shouldn't exist

[blazing condor]

it doesnt

[vocal geode]

[sweet summit]

tell me about it..

[ocean reef]

You and I are both free..

[vocal geode]

I got opc after my 2nd or 3rd run

my luck is great

then it drops in vault

life is good

[sweet summit]

got opc in vault too

[vocal geode]

[ocean reef]

I got OPC and I didn't even use it in my first raid after getting it..

[vocal geode]

[sweet summit]

[ocean reef]

First Sigil just too good

[sweet summit]

cope

[blazing condor]

[sweet summit]

!

[ocean reef]

sad

!

[sweet summit]

sigil stinky

[ocean reef]

Very sad

!

[sweet summit]

opc gang

!

[vocal geode]

first sigil as a tank trinket

pop it to remove necrotic stacks

[ocean reef]

Yes but it's very not so stinky for Halondrus

[blazing condor]

yuge

[strong forum]

Sigil in keys is big dumb

[blazing condor]

sigil is crazy good cus you get a free door of shadows

[sweet summit]

crab death when @ocean reef

[ocean reef]

Never

[blazing condor]

the faster you are in the game the less you need to play it

[ocean reef]

Maybe wednesday if we game

[sweet summit]

[ocean reef]

We got to 2nd intermission like 6 times

[sweet summit]

basically dead already

[ocean reef]

A lot of bomba before then

[sweet summit]

love bomba

[blazing condor]

:boomba:

[vocal geode]

we killed sosig yesterday

[ocean reef]

I'm no bomba runner

[vocal geode]

people kept raging

[ocean reef]

So that's pog

[vocal geode]

because people premoved

[ocean reef]

[vocal geode]

like you cant dodge swirlies even if someone premoves

[ocean reef]

Me and Jaes also get HC Gavel 100% from vault on Wednesday..

[vocal geode]

not having gavel for 2 weeks

[ocean reef]

So we automatically do a million more dps by just existing

[vocal geode]

very sus

[sweet summit]

four shore bro!!!!!!!!!!

[ocean reef]

Maybe we can do a DoS for old times sakes when I get it..

[blazing condor]

👉 👈

what if we kissed in DoS

[ocean reef]

😳

[blazing condor]

jk jk

unless?

[vocal geode]

I like gavel except when I get aoe + armor on st

now boon of the end

that's what i like

[sweet summit]

gavel on halondrus br like

hc throw mid reck

haha

!!!

[sturdy sierra]

havent played prot since week 1 of this season. After those buffs and with 4p now. Are we feeling good ? or is it still clunky ?

[vocal geode]

yep

had to do it on sosig

because soul landed with tanks

[ocean reef]

I wouldn't know!!!

Since I don't have it!!!

[blazing condor]

always felt good

[sweet summit]

it's great
feels amazing with 4 set
the buff didn't really change playstyle so it's w/e

[ocean reef]

Prot fuck good

[vocal geode]

maybe we try prot again

no that's

[ocean reef]

I don't play prot but it good

[blazing condor]

can't not play prot if you don't have any alts

also can't get invited to anywhere

[vocal geode]

got a stacked brewmaster

272 codex and scale

only advantage my warrior has is 4 pc

[sturdy sierra]

can someone tell me if its worth to go the necrotrain in m+? or is it just more button smashing with same value ?

[blazing condor]

its kinda worth

good defensive value

not as good offensive value as kyr/nf

[spice mortar]

At what haste % is it like.. no longer worth due to shield block uptime?

roughly

[jagged pier]

there isnt on in terms of that

u need 166% haste for perma uptime

so u get to 40% without dropping strength

[spice mortar]

Ah. Are there any break points?

[strong forum]

10% DR at 30%

No DRs before that

But that can be safely ignored, losing 10% of haste value from 30 to 40% is only 33 in total

You don't wanna go past 40 tho because the 20% DR is not worth it anymore

[sick sentinel]

is sigil a decent trinket for us? seems like a strong 5 mins cd for some dmg and tankiness (for M+)

[safe thistle]

in m+ would ravager give more RPS than ITF ?

feels like already playing nerco you lack snap aggro so i would stick to ravager over itf

[sweet summit]

not good in keys
great in raid

[sweet summit]

ravager is better in keys

[tropic linden]

And you should

Someone did some tests b4 and they are almost the same in rage generation, but ravager generates a lot of aggro in the beginning of the pull

[rich beacon]

How am I supposed to handle the dragon boss in gambit?

And yes, this is more a general tank question than a prot question but i feel like im left alone in dealing with the adds and turning around the boss keeps hooking melees on its tail

[dawn canyon]

Melees should stack on you

Them standing behind it is their fault

[tropic linden]

Lol, was about to ask the SAME thing

[rich beacon]

The melees were mostly trying to stack on me but It felt like duck hunt just spinning the boss around trying to catch all the adds in its breath

And if i spun around they sometimes got caught

[tropic linden]

I feel like the adds are always scattered and the fire rlly messes up my movement cause i can't move the boss fast enought b4 he casts the breath and i'm out of position

[rich beacon]

I just ran through the fire tbh

Is it really just the ranged playing bad and not properly kiting the adds thats making it difficult?

[tropic linden]

But u can't tank in the fire

And can't be too close to the water

need to break some pugs keys to get used to

[rich beacon]

Im not tanking it in the fire. But if theres fire to the left of me and I need to chase some ranged with adds on their ass with the breath I just run through the puddle instead of around it

[lofty widget]

you start off by tanking it in the left most corner away from the ship, when you get fire you just take a few steps backward, once the first fire has despawned you can slooowly rotate the boss and bring it back to the corner

you should be able to hit 90 % of adds that spawn like that

[tame jasper]

At the start i positionate the dragon to breath the full spawn area ans then rarelz move. When fire i move steps towards beach. When to much fire i call melees, jump to wall and replance to starting position

[rich beacon]

So basically just try to hit as much of the shipside coast as possible, slowly kite it down the coast it spawns at and when the fire is gone do a hard reset and start kiting again. And if adds get past the breath the ranged should get them back in there.

[topaz field]

mass root/binding shot makes wonders on that boss

[chrome falcon]

dragon boss is the reason i don't pug anything above 18 in gambit tbh i find it really important to be able to communicate when i'm turning

[sweet summit]

just bring a wl

[jovial zodiac]

Playing a druid on dragonboss makes the adds essentially irrelevant, if the druid has massroot and actually uses it

[chrome falcon]

how far do you bring that dragon back with a warlock erga

like ALL the way back?

[sweet summit]

back to where the first trash pack is

[dawn canyon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoRt-VV-mfo

[chrome falcon]

gotcha

[sweet summit]

credit to the chinese group

not stone

[tropic linden]

Why the cannons stop?

[dawn canyon]

outranged ig

[sweet summit]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

🍝

[strong forum]

Gna be fixed next week

[sweet summit]

ya

big sad

[strong forum]

Unless blizz shits the bed

Which is just as likely

[median tulip]

It's not just the melee should be stacked on you. Everyone needs to stack. The adds fixate on a random non-tank. If party members are spread out, adds go everywhere = problem. Everyone stacks, all the adds go in one direction = No Problem

[strong forum]

Literally shrine 2nd boss all over again

I hate it here

[chrome falcon]

shrine

good lord what a rancid dungeon

[distant crystal]

that one gigapull at the beginning with the mass reflect tho

[strong forum]

1 pull doesn't make up for shit boss fights

[distant crystal]

i thought they had some interesting fights tbh

difficult yes but interesting

having to dunk yourself in the electrified jacuzzi was a little much

[teal swift]

C:

[median tulip]

Shrine of the Storm wasn't the worst dungeon in BfA. That was Underrot.

[teal swift]

Underrot was great

I hated kr

[median tulip]

and Freehold was complete trash as well

[teal swift]

Sots was free

So was fh

Kr was hell

[chrome falcon]

bfa dungeons were straight dogshit lets be real

[median tulip]

I loved Motherlode

[teal swift]

I liked them more than sl dungeons

[median tulip]

None of the Alliance ones were much cop in BfA

[teal swift]

Only good SL dungeon is sanguine

[median tulip]

I like ToP

[teal swift]

I only like top on pwarrior

But not on any other tank

[median tulip]

checks which Discord channel we are in

Yup xD

[teal swift]

How is that relevant, a lot of us are multi classers

[median tulip]

ToP+15 is how I make up my weekly keys if I'm short

[distant crystal]

Freehold was perfect take it bacck

[median tulip]

Freehold was a vile place full of stupid inexplicable buggy links

[distant crystal]

https://tenor.com/80xy.gif

[strong forum]

I multiclass aswell

Pwar and pwar

[distant crystal]

siege of boralus was awful tho, anyone who mentions a worst BFA dungeon without it being siege, oof

[chrome falcon]

yep i play kyrian prot warrior AND necrolord prot warrior

that's enough class variety for me

yeah siege was absolutely the worst dungeon purely because of the spotter meta

[distant crystal]

spotter was a cool strat to watch as a spectator

[median tulip]

Was siege the one with the tentacle boss at the end?

[distant crystal]

absolutely terrible to play

[kind prairie]

Hey yall, how many of you beat mage tower without a cheat death trinket?

[sick sentinel]

Does the conduit Brutal Vitality interact with tier?

[chrome falcon]

o/

[distant crystal]

o/

[chrome falcon]

but i cheated and used the mechagon trinket instead

[distant crystal]

dps trinkets were better

[chrome falcon]

so it was still a bit dirty

[distant crystal]

i'd have to not troll for even longer with a def/cheat trinket

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel define "interact"

[kind prairie]

Mechagon trinket??

[chrome falcon]

it gives you an ignore pain so sure

[distant crystal]

the laser

[chrome falcon]

yeah the punchcard laser

[distant crystal]

that seedpod from EN

i use that on literally every toon for MT

it's so good

[sick sentinel]

You get a free ignore pain when it proc, do you get the extra %?

[kind prairie]

Thanks Watt and Matt

[chrome falcon]

yeah i really don't understand your question step sorry

yes, you get an ignore pain

so any damage you do will go into that

[kind prairie]

It increases the IP by a % of damage, it does not increase IP by a %

[median tulip]

Brutal Vitality as a conduit is only worthwhile if your Ignore Pain is going to last for something close to the full duration. On most challenging content, IP is knokced off well before that so BV does nothing

[distant crystal]

Brutal Vitality doesn't make future IP's bigger

it increases a current IP when you do dmg

[median tulip]

If it did work like that it would be useful, and we can't have that, can we?

[sick sentinel]

Thanks for the information

[strong forum]

MT was chill

I accidentally got my kill with phial

That trinket did literally nothing

[strong forum]

Well with tier we have extremely high IP uptime, so brutal vit is defo going to do smth

[lofty widget]

isnt it just gonna go into an almost always full IP anyway?

[strong forum]

But I personally probably wouldn't opt into using it over stalwart

Although... With tier you could probably get SW alot more often than you'd need it so I guess you can swap out of stalwart and slot in brutal vit 🤔

[chrome falcon]

idk i'd like brutal vit a bit more if it wasn't like

"oh i have 6/7 outburst stacks lemme IP just before i SS here"

"oh i already have 2 IPs so i'm capped anyway and that 30k SS crit isn't even going into brutal vit lol"

sad !

[strong forum]

I've never used brutal vit, it can't go above IP cap?

[median tulip]

I don't believe so

[strong forum]

Sm1 test

Never bothered to research that

[chrome falcon]

it cannot

ok wait i just tested it without having the conduit on lemme try again lmao

nope, it definitely can't

[limpid ruin]

My experience has been mattacte’s. I used to run it until I got 4pc. Pretty much just reduces how much IP the next cast gives and ends up being a waste of time

[strong forum]

Aight so

Stalwart it is

40sec SW CD letsgoo

[median tulip]

I have UF, SG and CAS socketed

[strong forum]

Ya

That's like the 3 good ones

[median tulip]

Actually I also have FBV socketed, but that's on a path I only use for Arms

[distant crystal]

do we still want aegis/rdm

I should really put together a SoD gdkp run or something

[safe thistle]

aegis aint far into the raid for mythic and pretty easy to get.

[distant crystal]

ya there's just a lot of stuff from SoD that's still wanted

[safe thistle]

next season it will be relevant again since we will be able to do all the raid

[strong forum]

Matrix is still really good, aegis is defo still insanely good

But I wouldn't hunt for matrix

Aegis I would tho if I was serious about my trinket choice

[distant crystal]

rogue daggers, jaithys, ows, rdm/aegis, scrawled word

[safe thistle]

ya wish i got my hand onn a matric couldnt get one at all

[strong forum]

My heroic matrix did like 400 dps in my normal raid already

[distant crystal]

our priests have been running LFR SoD

for that trinket

[strong forum]

And like 250dps in baby keys, that's still pretty fucking good

[distant crystal]

let's them fit two penances in a ramp

[safe thistle]

i couldnnt get one cause my group used the kelthuzad skip and were so bad on fate that we always skipped straight up to kel

[distant crystal]

oh derp, almost forgot the fate trinket

that's a lot of goodies from the old raid

[safe thistle]

well splintered will come back too at max ilvl

[distant crystal]

maybe

who knows what the hell they plan to do w/ the s4 nonsense

[safe thistle]

Gluttonous Spike trinket was pretty cool

a jailer 252ilvlnormal weapon is 6% increase dps over a 265ilvl one

[pallid musk]

I definitely need farm Aegis .. 😦

[safe thistle]

you should im happy i got a mythic one

in m+ its amazing the more trash you pull the better it is.

[pallid musk]

Yea. I use Amina field emitter one to have good banner uptime

Then I took pvp trinket for crit

Would replace this one with Aegis one

[median tulip]

AFE is ok. I'm running double techniques

[safe thistle]

i nneed to get a sack trinket

[pallid musk]

Yes AFE is more than ok with NL Glory 😂

[median tulip]

AFEs big weakness is forced movement fights ofc

[safe thistle]

i dont even use AFE in m+

you cant benefit from the circle long enough

[pallid musk]

It does benefit with Glory. If I was Kyrian I would take another choice

Maybe Tazz trinket + Aegis. In that case

[median tulip]

I think that if you're getting less than 30% uptime on AFE then So'leah's Secret Technique gives more Haste overall

assuming you have someone else in the group to leech Haste from, ofc

[pallid musk]

Yes Enha Shaman in party

It been 2 runs I ran with Enha which make I could have 90-99% uptime on banner

[median tulip]

Demolock, Fury Warrior

Tier Creation is in a week, right?

[pallid musk]

I think next

LFR wing 3 this week

[kind prairie]

I am strugglin, lol. I'm a pretty casual player.

Slowly getting there. Got to 5% last night

[tropic linden]

Are ppl doing mythic farm from last raid still?

[strong forum]

Yeah they are

[urban portal]

Mythic you prob can't in without exp

[strong forum]

Cuz sofo has god awful loot beside higher ilvl and tier

[urban portal]

Heroic easy tho

[tropic linden]

I got AOTC, from what i read mythic should be doable with more ilvl

[distant crystal]

if we just start organizing enough SoD raids for ppl to go back and get good loot

[urban portal]

Mythic is not doable at all

[distant crystal]

maybe they'll buff SFO trinkets and stuff

[urban portal]

Lmao

Not without exp

Not to mention ppl wouldn't take you

They don't wanna wipe 2 hours on old content

[distant crystal]

ppl will take a lot of warm bodies to those lol

[tropic linden]

oh nooo

[distant crystal]

getting it filled will be difficult

[tropic linden]

guess i'll farm heroic

[urban portal]

Nah

Go to the sylv discord

Plenty easy to fill

[tropic linden]

Link plz

[urban portal]

https://discord.gg/SHyt9znN

[tropic linden]

Thanks

[urban portal]

It's mainly p3

A lot of organization

[blazing condor]

Aegis + phial

Actually idk how good decanter is

Probably worse

Sim it

[distant crystal]

same way you sim as a dps

raidbots.com

[urban portal]

Aegis is op

[dawn canyon]

raidbots.com

[urban portal]

Rest just pick whatever

But yeah simming isn't the answer here

Aegis you always take

Rest all kinda suck

[blazing condor]

Yes

[urban portal]

So just take ilvl

[strong forum]

Don't take ilvl

Heart is literally worthless

259 decanter might beat the 246 phial tho

But heart is literally trash garbage useless kaputt

Maybe in 11.0

[blazing condor]

Only user still in skyhold

Auto-modded

[median tulip]

There are so many trash tank trinkets from SL dungeons

[blazing condor]

Nom do you even play wow rn or is it just noahs ark?

[fathom jetty]

Can someone explain why both the wowhead and icy veins guide think indomitable over impending victory is a no-brainer, especially for m+?

The logs I'm looking through suggest the healing is at least comparable, and I'd think on-demand burst healing is way more valuable than essentially a small hot

[opal pawn]

I like impending victory on Dps but I like passive healing

If I could take indom on Fury I prolly would

[agile pumice]

Indom on fury would be nuts lol

[strong forum]

i resubbed last friday

[real fossil]

There are other better GCDs a lot of the time

There is a cost to impending victory- it is a GCD that doesn’t generate rage

[strong forum]

impending cant keep up with indom

at all

[latent pier]

So one one hand I got my dps weapon now and can prot lootspec the vault, but on the other hand, dps trinkets are better than 90% of the tank trinkets

[fathom jetty]

Where are you sourcing this?

[latent pier]

Decisions

[strong forum]

the actual quality of having permanent hots is so much better than having 1 burst heal every .. what was it 20 seconds?

[opal pawn]

25 seconds unless you get a killing blow.

[fathom jetty]

I've looked through higher prot war keys -- they aren't consuming 400 rage in 25 secs

And that discounts the cdr of urh

[strong forum]

then theyre pretty bad

[chrome falcon]

Impending victory costs a global

[fathom jetty]

That discounts resets

[chrome falcon]

And doesn't give you more max hp

[strong forum]

feel free to try impending victory in a key

or just try it vs the tank dummy

its horrendous

[ionic fern]

You are forgetting that you won't be using it on CD. 🙂

[latent pier]

Shield block, revenge, ip and execute all spend rage.

400 rage is nothing

[ionic fern]

If you use it on CD you will over-heal by a ton.

Reducing its value significantly.

[strong forum]

let alone the 10% ehp gain from indom

[fathom jetty]

Sure

[latent pier]

Max health on a tank is also just incredibly powerful by itself

[fathom jetty]

But this passive healing is also going to lead to your healer overheating you

[opal pawn]

..So would you bursting 40% of your HP in healing?

[strong forum]

its far less likely to lead to overhealing than IV would

because without Indom, your HP is constantly dropping

at all times

[opal pawn]

If your healer isn't overhealing you with a 40% heal, Then you used the talent far too late

[strong forum]

with indom you can keep yourself up for very long durations

[chrome falcon]

IV isn't 40%

[strong forum]

it is

they buffed it

[chrome falcon]

it is?

[strong forum]

but its still shit

[chrome falcon]

when did they do that

[fathom jetty]

Well, they're different use cases. IV hits a weak spot for warriors. I'm confused why a small hot is better than that

[latent pier]

Unless they are lohing you at full health I don't see the issue with a marginal amount of overhealing.

[opal pawn]

Yeah it's 40%, 10 rage and 25 second CD.

[chrome falcon]

oh it costs rage too? gross

[fathom jetty]

Id definitely rather spend the rage and gcd recovering from a mistake than just die

[strong forum]

what do you prefer, everytime you press IP, SB, revenge to heal for 4% 3% and 2% respectively, or have to wait 25sec to do it in 1 go

then be vulnerable for another 25sec

your choice

[chrome falcon]

um actually it's 3.5% off IP SIR

[strong forum]

right...

god damn IP nerf

[opal pawn]

..Such a strange change to IP.

[jagged pier]

make indom 2% per 10 rage

[strong forum]

yeah its actually a bad change

[opal pawn]

That sounds kinda scary.

[strong forum]

to reduce its rage cost

[jagged pier]

its not if u look at the average prot warrior

they struggling with rage all the time

[strong forum]

true

[latent pier]

Its a change you make if you don't play prot but are told to buff prot

[chrome falcon]

and honestly in a higher key, 40% hp isn't going to save you from a mistake like extended block downtime

[opal pawn]

I am the average prot warrior ;-; I still have no tier

[ionic fern]

Same.

[latent pier]

1/4 gang

[chrome falcon]

it's also worth considering that 40% hp without indom is a smaller value

[strong forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DHxJdp6bXgAfaMjz#fight=50&type=resources&spell=101&source=17

@fathom jetty

thats 1k rage per minute right there

[latent pier]

I wanna see what kinda bullshit plka pulls with 4set

[strong forum]

1.1k HPS from Indom

[fathom jetty]

I was looking at a plka log...

[strong forum]

okay

so?

like i said

go try and play IV

just alone vs the tank dummy

[fathom jetty]

He wasn't consuming 400 rage/25 secs

[opal pawn]

I've had a 4 vault Generally for the past like, 4ish weeks

Nothin

[strong forum]

then play indom vs tank dummy

see how it feels

[opal pawn]

Also PIka just got 4p like, Two days ago.

I think?

[strong forum]

ya he just got it

[latent pier]

That's why I said it yee

[chrome falcon]

trying to get your tier from vault is a losing game

the odds of getting 4 piece just from vault are like

infinitesimal

[jagged pier]

no

[opal pawn]

Last I saw it was around 20%

[jagged pier]

a few ppl in my guild got it that way

[latent pier]

I'm hoping my lock gets 4/4 from vault, I just need shoulders or helm pls god

I even pvped to up my odds

[jagged pier]

where as only like 2 ppl including me got 0 tier over the past weeks

[fathom jetty]

Well what I mean is...the guides already say you can use the wall if reprisal is too much for you. So this is clearly not just about perfect play and high keys

[jagged pier]

more rare to not get any at all

[fathom jetty]

If the average warrior makes mistakes and has rage problems

IV seems like the better choice

[chrome falcon]

IV is not going to save you from being a bad warrior

[latent pier]

To me I wouldn't settle for the training wheels option if learning reprisal is the best route.

[chrome falcon]

it's an extra global and more rage wasted

[jagged pier]

why would IV ever be the better choice if it was the better choice everyone would run it

[chrome falcon]

if you're a bad player, that makes the passive option even MORE appealing

[opal pawn]

I'm bad with reprisal but it's still really good. Even just charging into a mob pack is better with reprisal with the 4 seconds of block to get situated.

[fathom jetty]

Come on now. A healer can heal gradual damage. That's why brew was considered so good for so long

[latent pier]

Everyone's bad with it when they start

Gotta play with it

[fathom jetty]

It's burst damage that kills

[strong forum]

okay so

[chrome falcon]

yes

[strong forum]

in senses kill

[chrome falcon]

and indom gives you more max hp

[opal pawn]

Gods no. Burst damage is not what kills

[chrome falcon]

which is better vs burst damage!

if you're taking "burst damage" as prot warrior you are making fundamental mistakes

[latent pier]

The really killer is your shaman healer THAT DOESNT KICK THE FREECASTING ENRAGED MOB.

[amber herald]

wicked bolt

[chrome falcon]

i say let the enraged mob cast

[ionic fern]

Can't get killed if you don't get into keys.

[chrome falcon]

it's only sealing its own doom

[ionic fern]

https://tenor.com/view/think-smart-gif-22411928

[opal pawn]

My problem was always Shadowcore and Halls spellcasters. ;-;

[fathom jetty]

I'll take a look at the log, on a phone is kind of hard

[distant crystal]

👀

[latent pier]

Exactly what I was thinking lol

[fathom jetty]

Thanks for that

[latent pier]

Annoying in streets too though.

[opal pawn]

Is there an opitimal path for streets or is it a per-tank basis. Regardless of route I seem to always be low on %

[chrome falcon]

streets route is super easy

[jagged pier]

im sorry but if u aint planning around wicked bolts and shadowcores not getting interrupted your doing m+ wrong

[chrome falcon]

grab 1 rogue from right path then go left path

[latent pier]

I copied one plka didn't like the other day and it was the cleanest streets I've done so far.

And he didn't even like that route. So hey

[chrome falcon]

and then i dunno you pretty much only have to pull the trash that's in front of you to get perfect %

[latent pier]

Double pulling mail room to door is fun

[chrome falcon]

yeah doing mail room in 2 pulls is a great time but

on higher keys people will just die to random unavoidable group damage

[latent pier]

Oh yeah

Streets is a very unforgiving key

But if it goes well its easy enough

[chrome falcon]

streets timer is crazy tight

[distant crystal]

needs like +5min

[opal pawn]

I almost timed a 15 if not for menagerie not giving the devour debuff. That was really dissapointing.

[ionic fern]

help

[opal pawn]

Was like a solid 20 seconds off.

[latent pier]

Wtf what's your rating

I usually get auto invited lol

[ionic fern]

[sweet summit]

[latent pier]

Rip

[strong forum]

that sounds like lies to me

[latent pier]

For 15s

[strong forum]

jakey even gets declined with like 2.8k

for 15s

[latent pier]

How

Wtf

[strong forum]

people hate prot

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

i reckon even erga with his 3.3k would get declined for 15s

[opal pawn]

Can't pull the 30k overall them uh.. I think DKs can do now, Not guardian anymore

[latent pier]

I get declined from higher keys but I still catch a lot of 17s

[amber herald]

I got declined for a 5

[chrome falcon]

can confirm i have to spend about 15mins trying to get into 20s with 3k

[strong forum]

DKs are at 22k

havent seen em higher

[latent pier]

Is it the tier + ring?

[ionic fern]

Lets just say that i've done 6 dungeons total.

[latent pier]

Oof

Yeah that was annoying about starting the season

Apparently my high score from the last doesn't mean dick anymore

[opal pawn]

Just gotta link Aotc Keystone hero it's fine

[ionic fern]

Actually got into a +15

Lets goooooooooo

[opal pawn]

Yooooo pog

[strong forum]

was just about to ask about teaming up

[left bloom]

inb4 you get kicked. missclicked, was supposed to invite someone else 🙂

[ionic fern]

😦

[opal pawn]

Lets hope that didn't happen

[limpid pawn]

so, why necro now?

what changed from before?

[strong forum]

you can run reprisal now

and glory

[opal pawn]

Omega-rage from reprisal and tier

Along side Glory

[limpid pawn]

what's the dream scenario

[strong forum]

?

we just told you

[opal pawn]

The dream is 4p tier and existing

[urban portal]

The dream is being invited into 20s

[strong forum]

the dream is getting the boys and memeing in 15s

[jagged pier]

tomorrow

[hot dome]

did the buffs from last week go in yet or is it tomorrow?

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

tomorrow is already reserved you know why

[blazing condor]

actually had a good pug SD Pog

[strong forum]

went in on the date they said they would be in, 29th march

[jagged pier]

thats only going to be like an hour, we will all have time after

[hot dome]

ty

[opal pawn]

I don't know why tomorrow is reserved

[jagged pier]

plus i did tell mwahi i'd do keys with him torromow as well @strong forum

[strong forum]

ic

maybe i can get my irl to heal

[jagged pier]

😮

[strong forum]

ya he came back from his 5year journey

dude has done already more keys this season than ive done all of SL

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

my rio is dogwater rn cus i havent even done all keys

[echo egret]

Does Spell Reflect work to mitigate boss magical attacks like Rampage on Skolex ? Or is there any special "no no" from Blizzard ?

[oblique garnet]

yes it does give you 25% magic damage reduction

[echo egret]

OK thanks and awesome - (20% in the tooltip)

[sweet summit]

20

[strong forum]

i also thought it was 25%

was that from legion?

[chrome falcon]

no in legion it was 50% right because of the artifact trait

i think 25% was bfa

[strong forum]

it was NOT 50% in legion

it was 5sec full duration no matter what

but it was never 50%

thatd be broken as shit

[echo egret]

I'd take a full 5sec duration anytime for M+ and the stupid caster packs

[strong forum]

it would fix alot of issues

[distant crystal]

would you take 5sec DR + reflect anything

with 3min cd?

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/d8093664aaac1fa16f5fa24f46f1152e

45% then because i'm pretty sure in legion it was 25% base

[strong forum]

nani the fuck

[chrome falcon]

yeah man legion SR was probably the most broken tank spell behind, uh, every other classes artifact ability and mass grip

[strong forum]

bruh fix

now

[chrome falcon]

https://gyazo.com/ed57041f7a3a3990acd3995f09913661

lemme get this 33.7k vers back too while they're at it

[lyric geode]

Is 32% haste too much?

[chrome falcon]

nope sounds good to me

[lyric geode]

I ask because of the diminishing returns.

[sick sentinel]

long as its not mastery

[lyric geode]

Also, I think I need some critical chance too.

[strong forum]

40% is where you wanna stop getting haste

the bis profile has 37% haste so, yeah

it aint too much

[blazing condor]

thats my profile 😎

[lyric geode]

Εντάξει εριμη

[strong forum]

sir this is a christian discord

[blazing condor]

greece is very christian 🙂

[jagged pier]

[lyric geode]

Sorry

[dawn canyon]

^

What dog said

[lyric geode]

I am Greek polytheistic

[strong forum]

hes speaking in tongues

[lyric geode]

I worship Zeus

[blazing condor]

the gun in csgo?

when the impostor is zeus 📮

[strong forum]

Zeus was the ultimate rule34 guy

[blazing condor]

it's like rule34.5 - if it exists, i will impregnate it

[lyric geode]

Sir, this is discord channel. Oh you are in the right place. My bad.

[sick sentinel]

rule # whatever, don't reveal your powerlevel

[ebon geyser]

Sense putting prot on the map

[blazing condor]

true take from yogi

[chrome falcon]

yeah i mean my pantheon kill was our first time and it was GIGA scuffed

but i have no idea how i'd push 2k more dps to reach sense

[lyric geode]

Folks, I heard from a whining guardian druid that protection warrior was broken on BFA and they deserve in the place where he is now. My question is this. What was different from BFA to SL on protection warriors?

[strong forum]

the dungeon design

[jagged pier]

and class design

but class design made it better

[chrome falcon]

you pressed thunderclap and everything died

[strong forum]

nowadays there arent much differences between BFA pwar and SL pwar

[sick sentinel]

thunder clap

[lyric geode]

More physical damag

??

Less magical damage?

[jagged pier]

other way round buddeh

[strong forum]

the biggest difference between pwar now and back then is that we do less dmg in comparison and that dungeon design is not pwar friendly

[sick sentinel]

we did more thunderclap, and we pretty much had to weave in devestate some times so rotation was fucky

[strong forum]

thats it

you guys are way too specific in what changed man

doesnt matter where the dmg came from

or what rotation changed

[chrome falcon]

yeah it was mostly just numerical we'd be BFA level strong if all our spells did 2x damage

[lyric geode]

I see. Thanks!

[strong forum]

its literally just that dungeons only did physical dmg, bosses did reflectable dmg or purely physical

no dots

no magic tank busters you just had to eat

not as much group wide damage, almost exclusively tank damage

thats it

every dungeon was like ToP except you could interrupt all magical dmg or reflect it

except Zul. fuck zul

[lyric geode]

I see, so only physical damage and avoidable.

[strong forum]

yea

[lyric geode]

That would be dope if it happened on SL too.

[ebon geyser]

One day I'll strive to be has good as sense

[sick sentinel]

i liked how UR and KR had the "idiot test" in the first 3 pulls of trash

and then a bunch of hard trash, followed by boss have to pay attention and do lots of dps for

[strong forum]

UR was, interrupt the heal from priests, interrupt the shadowbolt from priests, interrupt the CC cast from flowers

thats it

GG

but also get a disease dispell for 3rd boss

or just play it perfectly

SL has alot less avoidable magic dmg sources, or way too many at the same time (hoa first few pulls)

[sick sentinel]

i don't remember which order but the packs with priests have the booba ladies as well, and they do a "can't die" thing and that would kill keys

[strong forum]

well that youd have to kick

[chrome falcon]

i haven't found myself in an hoa since the buff i wonder if it helped much

[sick sentinel]

and so, you'd have to make sure all them were got

[strong forum]

i only did a baby hoa

was an 11

so it dont count

[sick sentinel]

that mask fucker would always delete someone too

[strong forum]

youd always skip mask

that pull was suicide

[lofty widget]

hoa feels really really fine as necro, guess the buffs are nice too

[chrome falcon]

mask was INSANE

[sick sentinel]

i always just killed the hell out of it

make sure im going correct ramp and gogo

[strong forum]

(what also helped pwar in BFA was having 60% mastery with 60% uptime)

for free

[limpid pawn]

are we unkillable with the glory banner uop?

[strong forum]

so you could do shit like that

[lofty widget]

no

[chrome falcon]

not unkillable but considerably tankier

[strong forum]

not unkillable, but the 22% str and 400 mastery help a decent bit

[chrome falcon]

eh well i dunno about considerably actually

but it helps

[strong forum]

its budget bom

[chrome falcon]

408 mastery!

[limpid pawn]

glory gets 3 members buffed?

[chrome falcon]

yes

3+you

[strong forum]

ya but only for 15sec

[limpid pawn]

even when you extend it's effect?

[lyric geode]

If only your rage extended their duration

[mighty cairn]

what does str give defensively

besides bigger ip

[strong forum]

armor?

[mighty cairn]

o i didn’t know that

[strong forum]

youre literally 22% tankier against phys dmg

[mighty cairn]

thought armor was just gear

that’s p good

good edit you know what my follow up q was going to be lol

[chrome falcon]

gonna be real honest

had no idea that was a thing

[mighty cairn]

same

[strong forum]

ya dingos

[mighty cairn]

it’s p lit

[strong forum]

thats why pwar has stupid armor to begin with

we have more armor than a bear with 1 IF

[mighty cairn]

i feel like it’s like

too much phys resist though

like all the kit overlaps too much

[distant crystal]

we have more armor than a moonkin in owl form!

[strong forum]

we dont have too much phys res

[mighty cairn]

armor, shield block, crit block, party

[strong forum]

bear has too much in aoe

bear literally reaches armor cap in aoe

[elfin surge]

I’d play a boomkin with a shield

[mighty cairn]

like can’t they mix up the defensives

spell reflect is cool tho

[strong forum]

demo shout, IP, SW, last stand, 15% base mitigation, SR

[chrome falcon]

bear spends like 20 seconds spamming ironfur while at ironfur cap

[strong forum]

indom healing

its there

every single tank only gets phys mitigation

magic mitigation through CDs

the big difference is when their fantasy comes into play

[chrome falcon]

holy shieldge

[strong forum]

cuz for example, BDKs mitigation model/fantasy, is take big dmg, heal big

our model is, take little dmg, heal little dmg

at a very base level

but they forgot to think about us when they add more and more sources that you cant mitigate reliably

[limpid pawn]

one issue though

[strong forum]

when other tanks can reliably heal, which is a pseudo mitigation

[limpid pawn]

reprisal is considerably more skill-intensive than the other tanks at the moment

[strong forum]

yes

[limpid pawn]

and even when you're doing it well, it doesn't actually make you more tanky than them

[strong forum]

which is the entire issue with tank design right now

big effort, low reward

[limpid pawn]

like a bear thrashing in incarn or pally using divine toll

[mighty cairn]

prot just punishes bad play p hard

[limpid pawn]

and spamming wogs

yeah prot punishes bad play HARD

[mighty cairn]

in raid and m plus

[limpid pawn]

and doesn't reward good play enough

[strong forum]

yes

[limpid pawn]

like I can play prot at the highest APM literally sweating my nuts off

[mighty cairn]

if u pug as a dps and get a prot war, u know when they’re running it down

[limpid pawn]

making sure i'm utilizing 99% of my kit with perfect timings

and it feels like my survivability is on par or maybe worse than like on my prot pally

where im' just kind of chillin

[mighty cairn]

prot war’s ceiling is too low

at least in m plus with utility

[limpid pawn]

yeah, like they should make each reprisal activation also grant ignore pain

lol

[strong forum]

in bfa pwar utility was op

:^)

[limpid pawn]

or have a rolling mastery effect

[strong forum]

can you guess why pwar utility was OP in bfa?

[chrome falcon]

because your utility was killing all the fucking mobs instantly

[strong forum]

thats also a part, but the other part was

you didnt need 23786 dispells

[chrome falcon]

this is why i think "utility" being a big definer of m+ viability is a meme. hasn't been true since legion.

[strong forum]

but rather you needed DR

[lyric geode]

Huh?

[strong forum]

so safeguard was the OP thing

[chrome falcon]

guardian doesn't have good utility, prot has the same "utility" we did in BFA, those specs just did/do a shitmillion damage and never die and that's what actually counts

[tropic linden]

Utility is a Raid thing where tank dmg doesn't matter that much

[lyric geode]

So dh and dk are OP in raids?

[chrome falcon]

not really half the time people complain about us in m+ in here they talk about utility

[strong forum]

DKs are OP rn

yes

[chrome falcon]

dk is crazy in raids rn yeah

dh though lol

[strong forum]

but VDH is the worst tank in raid cuz they bring nothing

[tropic linden]

Dh can be DPS that brings almost all the utility of a tank

[lyric geode]

Ah, I forgot now that Havoc is viable mb

[strong forum]

and VDH does less dmg than every other tank

also a factor

friend of mine is literally rerolling as top10 VDH world cuz hes losing aggro on bosses to bdk 🙂

[chrome falcon]

aggro with my bdk is weird because i always rip from him in the first 20 seconds and then it's kinda spooky where he sometimes rips from me after that

not often but

[strong forum]

well yeah cuz they dont burst

its just constant fucking pump

[chrome falcon]

yup

[strong forum]

until the lose DR for 15seconds

then right back at it

[mighty valley]

it's been easier with my bdk because she has 4pc and I don't yet lol

so esp on necrolord i haven't been outbursting over hard

[distant crystal]

I had to bear tank lords of dread the other day cause we were targetting tier

BDK was big mad that I sent incarn on pull, said I should've saved it for the first swarm

I may have ripped and healed Mal'ganis a lil 😮

[jagged pier]

why?

they dont do the mechanic in the swarm

he can just taunt after

[distant crystal]

this was on pull

I sent carn because it comes back up for 2nd swarm w/ lust

[chrome falcon]

^ if you're lusting 2nd swarm then popping it on pull is the play

tell your bdk to suck it 😎

[distant crystal]

he taunted so many times lol

boss went immune

I think the move was just hold taunt until right before the tank swap thing

[strong forum]

yes

if i can tauntswap successfully as 250 0pc pwar with a 272 4pc bear on anduin

[strong forum]

so can you

[distant crystal]

[chrome falcon]

nice blasting sir proving that any prot warrior outclasses 99% of orange class players

[mighty valley]

why is orange class even being discussed

[distant crystal]

tangent from BDK's can't hold threat convo

[blazing condor]

orange class bad >:^(

[mighty valley]

^

boy howdy when i think about orange class.......

[distant crystal]

will pwarr do more m+ dps tomorrow

than bear

or is the nerf not enough

[blazing condor]

i will 🙂

i wont

[chrome falcon]

i think bear is still top m+ dps? maybe bdk ahead

[strong forum]

Bdk is ahead

Bear is now inline with other tanks again

[wild rampart]

does leap work on dausegne's circle wave stuff?

[chrome falcon]

no

[jagged pier]

soulshape does

but its a small window

[blazing condor]

if you got the first sigil as NF do you just get yeeted in soulshape?

[distant crystal]

NF/venthyr it just resets CD

like it should do for necro/kyrian

also Kyrian phial should cool down in combat CMV

[blazing condor]

it should go on CD at the end of combat to begin with

not 10 seconds after

[distant crystal]

also i've been watching this on loop

it's beautiful

https://m.twitch.tv/clip/CrepuscularSquareCourgettePunchTrees-mxFs-nNuU002_ogP

[blazing condor]

idk how the boss works

red pools move according to how players face or do something?

and they on some coordination shit ?

[chrome falcon]

same as prideful

[distant crystal]

nah just certain cardinal directions

ye like prideful

[chrome falcon]

they're lining up like you would in 9.0

but with 20 people

[blazing condor]

sick

[chrome falcon]

doesn't actually seem like the correct strat

but it is cool

[amber herald]

guessing it's a dps strat?

[chrome falcon]

true it would optimise dps

but sometimes you're gonna have bad animal RNG

and you can't line up like that

[distant crystal]

you can just leave a gap

for the varmints

[mighty valley]

classic varmint gap

is this mythic? would've thought hand of destruction was a lot more lethal

[chrome falcon]

~60% hp during hand looks like mythic and there are 20 people

[quaint glade]

first ever 20+ done haha

[limpid pawn]

so as necro, the overall group dps is much higher than as kyrian?

b/c of glory?

[strong forum]

no

you entirely ignore the aspect of buffing your party

is a nice to have, but not something you try to play around

[chrome falcon]

@quaint glade gz!

you play necro to be tankier and to do more ST damage

that's it

[lofty widget]

isnt it worth to hold banner in aoe if you have the buff but some dps cd is coming up in 10-20 seconds

[chrome falcon]

sure

if you want to

but it's barely worth the brain energy required to think about that

[lofty widget]

well in a coordinated group, i will just ask as banner is coming off cd if anyone has cooldowns coming up

[chrome falcon]

yeah same

[lofty widget]

and if they do i will sit on it for a little bit

[chrome falcon]

then i forget and autopilot hit it anyway

[lofty widget]

YEP

[craggy pilot]

when is a good idea to lust in Xymox? 🤔

[quaint glade]

Ty 🥲

[chrome falcon]

@craggy pilot as soon as you've done the second set of rings after 2nd intermission

[craggy pilot]

so in phase 3?

[chrome falcon]

yeah

make sure you don't push boss below 30% before you're done with 2nd p3 rings though

or he does some mongo stuff and timers get ~funky~

[craggy pilot]

🤔

[craggy pilot]

2nd p3 rings you mean 2x 2?

[chrome falcon]

wait are you talking about hc or mythic

[craggy pilot]

hc

[chrome falcon]

oh i dunno then just press it at like 4 mins or something

[vocal geode]

@sweet summit is this a sign to go prot

[chrome falcon]

well it's definitely not a sign to go arms or fury

[vocal geode]

it's a sign to go shaman

[sweet summit]

it is time

to play prot

[vocal geode]

never

[sweet summit]

!

[strong forum]

sad

!

[vocal geode]

!

[blazing condor]

Exclamation point!

!

[latent pier]

I'm surprised that this season is even easier than the last

I expected blizz to overcorrect

[craggy pilot]

talking raid or m+?

[latent pier]

m+

[craggy pilot]

well more gear = easier

[latent pier]

well yeah, but once people started figuring out the relics it just became a stomp

I do miss those tank anima powers though.

[chrome falcon]

i don't even remember what they were

apart from the thorns one

[craggy pilot]

same lol

some of them were fucking useless

[tardy sequoia]

Is there a standard relic to do in pug?

[latent pier]

thorns and the one that made you invincible if you stood still

[chrome falcon]

last seasons was giga lame

[craggy pilot]

"10% dmg when you interrupt"

[latent pier]

It was lame but it worked

[strong forum]

M+ seasons rarely get harder from season to season

S3 bfa was special because the affix was just major cancer

[latent pier]

s1 was pretty cancer too.

[chrome falcon]

S1 was a different league of awful

[latent pier]

but sandwiched between them was reaping and I fucking loved reaping.

[strong forum]

Yeah and it was the hardest season of bfa

So it proves my point exactly

[chrome falcon]

on god people only remember reaping fondly because it's surrounded by infested and emissaries

[latent pier]

But new to SL is how the affix is kinda also a buff

and not just a 'lol fuck you'

[strong forum]

Reaping was fucking goated

Best affix ever

[latent pier]

playing ele during reaping season was a fun time

[strong forum]

Huge fucking pulls every 20%?

Sometimes get 2 reaping waves at once?

FUCKING YEAH DUDE

Big dopamine

[latent pier]

It wasn't like "oh shit the ghosts are coming" it was "FUCK YEAH IT'S GHOST KILLING TIME"

[chrome falcon]

really didn't like how reaping restricted every dungeon to basically 1 viable route

[strong forum]

Eh?

[latent pier]

that wasn't reaping what

[strong forum]

Reaping never mattered for routing

[latent pier]

if anything that was s3

[strong forum]

It was just "nice this pull just got bigger"

It didn't stop you from doing anything

[chrome falcon]

i just don't like the idea of affixes triggering at certain % markers it feels pretty arbitrary