flag in execute is fun times tho
#protection
latent pier
mighty valley
personally gonna stick with kyrian so i can hold threat even when my dk does some big fuckoff dragon immediately
mellow gorge
i've managed mine max at 1 minute or so, so far
latent pier
also
mighty valley
but if your dps has any restraint at all necro is strong
mellow gorge
emeni best soulbind
chrome falcon
managed 3 minutes on a boss with lust on the pull and no downtime
then had to do raidleader things and dropped off a cliff
latent pier
as you do
mellow gorge
i wonder how strong it would be compared to kyrian/nf
mighty valley
at 2pc and it's infinite in zero mechanics situations
mellow gorge
since you get a consistent buff of like 18-20% strength
latent pier
probs depends
mellow gorge
- 400 mastery so it's large AP
mellow gorge
oh yea
latent pier
I made a leapers just for tusk farming
chrome falcon
infinite banner is really easy in a vacuum
sick sentinel
5 infinite banners
ocean yoke
damn necro is fun as fuck in m+
viral axle
heroic shield from first boss in raid or the package protector from mailroom boss in tazavesh?
chrome falcon
ilvl
deft granite
How do i play reverberations as prot? Does ravager proc it? And do i spam ww or revenge after?
opal pawn
Reverb just happens and you want to spam Revenge. If you're talking Bonegrinder, Ravager does proc it.
deft granite
Reverb just happens and you want to spam Revenge. If you're talking Bonegrinder,...
Yep meant bonegrinder soulbind, thanks
opal pawn
Bonegrinder only effects whirlwind, And it does make whirlwind better than revenge at the time
Devastator/Double Time/Best Served Cold/Bounding Stride/Indomitable/Ravager/Anger Managment is what i use. But there's a moderate variety.
15-3 25-1 30-1 35-2 40-2 45-3 50-1, Does that work?
noble shard
3-1-1-2-2-3-1
opal pawn
And tier makes anger management just better in general. More avatar is Tons of rage.
mighty valley
also gives shield wall a lot more often, plus Ignore Pain suddenly starts being ok when we have this much rage
nova cave
how to stop simping for girls on wow?
opal pawn
It worked really well for me.
mighty valley
same, highly recommend
nova cave
if only it was that easy
opal pawn
You gotta find the differences per-channel of people's solutions to simping
Prot warriors just get married
sage yacht
amen
nova rover
get married to a wow playing wife
Its worked fantastic for me, especially that she is my main healer win win
odd tree
Prot warriors just get married
Can confirm, married prot war
sage yacht
erga some day i will play prot
sweet summit
sage yacht
i am inspired by your insane 3 pixel gameplay this afternoon
sage yacht
🙏
torpid junco
Any chance prot warrior gets out of bottom spot ?
noble shard
worst before, and got the worst tier bonus of them all? dont think so 😦
chrome falcon
ruby berry
I noticed some things today on my 2 set that are different from the expected behavior, I've got 6 stacks of Seeing Red, and then when I hit ignore pain, get Outburst. Did they buff the behavior?
sand pebble
Dont believe so, if you were at 6 stacks and 21+ rage spent usung a 40 rage ip completes 7&8 instantly
ruby berry
is it calculating using 40 rage instead of the current 35 cost?
sand pebble
Oh shit never thought about that ill test it later
Still you might have been at 25+ rage and same outcome
ruby berry
I also just went through 3 revenges, one free, without it granting a single stack of seeing red
sand pebble
Free one doesnt count as no rage cost so you spent 20 rage
ruby berry
well 40 rage
since one of three was free
Moderately unfortunate that it doesn't count free revenges but eh, I'll live.
sand pebble
Only played prot this week in zm and a low key i wasnt really watching it tbh
Holding proc while ss on cd and not using tc kinda sux though
ruby berry
yeah doesn't feel great
chrome falcon
Free revenge only counts if you’re already 7 stacks
Weird bug but hey
It seems very buggy
I went from 5->8 stacks with a single IP before the change
And for some reason you can HAVE 8 stacks
ruby berry
yeah I noticed earlier this week too I couldn't build seeing red if I had an active outburst, but now we can yay.
Hopefully it'll get sorted but I'll take what I can get.
chrome falcon
Hm yeah I never had that bug
Always been able to build stacks while sitting on a burst
ruby berry
I had to change gear for it to go away
chrome falcon
cinder dirge
shittest part is when you are forced to wait 2 to 3 seconds because you have no rage to spend. Shield slam on 3sec CD not proccing the whole time while thunderclap is available
You really wanna smack your monitor when it happens
sand pebble
You really wanna smack your monitor when it happens
I learnt not to care and just tc anyway
Tierset dogshit, wtb druid/pally/bdk bonus
dark lark
I wish they would buff TC to BFA levels, or at least make the Unstoppable Force talent worth taking with it, then it wouldn't feel so awful to waste Outburst on TC
mighty valley
So long as it's only generating 5 rage, it would need to do obscene damage to be worth wasting 30 rage
urban portal
wouldnt it generate 15 rage
cinder dirge
it would
but the fk you do with 15 rage ? x)
The ONLY time i landed TC when outburst was up on purpose was in 21 gambit to prevent murloc from running away because it increases the slow of TC aswell
TC on tier set is so crappy sad they didn't remove it or buff tc somehow
mighty valley
honestly, there are times when it's right to TC
sometimes just for burst threat if you start off with stacks, or near the end of a pull where you can't chain to the next with the rage
sand pebble
Onky for the slow because in twrms of dam you better to ss and revenge with the rage
mighty valley
i know the math works out like that but due to capping sometimes most of that rage just goes to IP anyway
but yeah it's a very feels thing
99% of the time it should be SS
sand pebble
I just macro tc&ip and press it when i want to burn rage
I only hold it when outburst for ss but like i said earlier i gave up caring
mighty valley
ehhhhhhh that sounds sketchy
sand pebble
Watching a 4p druid out dps my fury and be immune to death makes me not want to tank on warr
pine vector
I gotta ask a question, do prot warriors tend to forget healing themselves? I keep taking a look at my logs for raids and dungeons and the healing is mostly worked into the rotation. At least it does to me anyway. 🤔
mighty valley
everything we do that counts as healing is just automatic
i don't think i understand the question
sand pebble
The only on use heal is victory rush, it does decent healing with talented impending victory
Just pop scale/aegis and prevent dam taken
warm warren
dapper coral
I gotta ask a question, do prot warriors tend to forget healing themselves? I ke...
Prot doesn't have any real heals, aside from Victory Rush if its already proc'd
sand pebble
Anything tgat isnt reprisal in keys i dont trust
Can you still block while bladestorming?
Does it proc from ravager?
naive panther
Does not proc from ravager so lame
sand pebble
No i meant does signet proc on rav
mighty valley
afaik signet doesn't work in the ways you want it to
mossy peak
ravager for prot does not replace bladestorm, since prot does not natively have bladestorm
so it doesn't inherit the trigger
can also bounce
instead of grabbing
rop etc
typhoon
bron cena
mighty valley
if everyone runs in don't they kind of just come together
mighty valley
yes but if you wanna have a good brain don't install it
plush pagoda
seeing alot of haste > mast builds any reason for that
plush pagoda
yes
mighty valley
I dunno, our stats seem v close together and the sims aren't perfect yet
plush pagoda
got it thanksa lot
blazing condor
same picture but its the 2nd now
west walrus
@strong forum @sweet summit You can count on me for a 5 pwarr key 
pallid musk
I got 4pc and this changed my playstyle on oponer since you want run AM and use avatar early on pull to grant a outbrust and IP
So I run reprisal
Charge - SB - avatar - but in this you want dump a ravager to increase dmg and threat
And then just normal as before
It happens you sit 80 rage after press Avatar so just dump 1 more IP and it end up Both 2 stack IP on early pull with SB up
It happens you can have 60-70 % uptime on avatar with AM talent in combat
In m+
sand pebble
Charge - SB - avatar - but in this you want dump a ravager to increase dmg and t...
charge > reprisal procs sb > avatar/ravager > ss to extend sb and use outburst for rage > sb is my opener, but i only have 2pc atm so i miss free outburst
i dropped am for now
pallid musk
Yes I agree that 2pc is unaffected but when 4pc you can go AM and make Avatar uptime is very high
west walrus
I do not have 4p and I do no feel HR is needed
sand pebble
not with these current prot buffs but last was a nightmare
west walrus
Even with 2P AM is a good choice, more avatar then more rage
pallid musk
Just a Kyrian player you can dump Ravager - revege and press 3rd IP before you drop spear
And end up with 3 stack IP early 
blazing condor
Every top pwarr
civic torrent
i dropped am for now
Massive mistake not playing am with 2 or 4pc
jagged pier
Hr has never been needed
It literally covers up bad play
Or not proper usage of repirsal
sand pebble
im saying i was am but needed the extra sb uptime before the dr buffs this week, ill swap back when i tank a key over the next few days
sand pebble
first pull dos fucking wrecked me
pallid musk
You only need SB for exemple Hakkar hit, trash who enrage in DoS
But leap out and kite a bit if ppl don’t soothe / purge
Or big packs - there SB should be up to migitute/ reduce
lime urchin
You only need SB for exemple Hakkar hit, trash who enrage in DoS
And spell reflect!
mighty valley
if you've felt like you've needed HR this past year, you haven't been mashing your buttons enough, your DPS hasn't been doing their job, or you've been doing keys way above 20
pallid musk
Thats true 🙂 you want reflect all possible dmg reduce
blazing condor
Ngl i feel no real difference HR or not regardless of key
strange cloud
is Necro best covenant for prot ??
strong forum
you dont care about the group buff part
strange cloud
wall best raid reprisal best M+
strong forum
reprisal raid
reprisal m+
strange cloud
really
strong forum
always has been
strange cloud
surely you would take the wall on harder hitting bosses ?
strong forum
no
strong forum
the only reason to play the wall is when you can NEVER charge and when you need SW every 50seconds
jagged pier
There are some fights on mythic only where the wall is better just because theres no point in running repisal
Skolox and pantheon for instance
LoD probably another 1
strange cloud
OK so skolox and pantheon you should use the wall due to not being able to benefit from reprisal
jagged pier
No because u need SW every 40 secondsish
strong forum
i found it pretty doable to use reprisal on skolex
strange cloud
your running necro right
jagged pier
Yer but in mythic nome u only care about riftmaws
Same with pantheon u only care about wracking pain and humbling strike
strong forum
hm
strange cloud
cause I am back up tank for our warrior tank and he is away this week so wondering if you run necro and reprisal
jagged pier
I checked on wednesday
Maybe he qent there after lith so had 4 set i dunno
Just looked at pantheon more than anything
pseudo timber
What trinkets do you think are my best for raid and m+?
jagged pier
Yer he had 4 set there think they went straight to lith and across cause it wasnt his 10k log on wednesday
median tulip
Legion Timewalking is not far off; is there anything we should be targeting from M+TW?
strong forum
faulty countermeasures
lime urchin
252 aegis 😍
strong forum
nice
west walrus
gz
sweet summit
lime urchin
I was simply commenting on someone else showing that 252 aegis.
Sadly I am still working with my precious LFR version
blazing condor
You have been kicked out of the poggers club
errant leaf
Still rocking scale here
errant leaf
blazing condor
We doin any keys today tho?
west walrus
You have been kicked out of the poggers club
Your application to "poggers club" has been declined
Suits better
blazing condor
pale roost
am thinking of trying out prot as i got 4set recently. but is it worth it when i dont have any tank trinkets? atm only have phial and opc from dos
fervent ferry
Opc is bis just go kyrian
strong forum
opc isnt bis, but it has nice synergy with kyrian yes
fervent ferry
I was Meming yeah
pale roost
aint necro best as 4set?
fervent ferry
Kyrian is prob the go to unless you’re hard pushing keys
You’ll smash keys with spear and opc
But also the Phial this week from Kyrian is super underrated
sturdy sable
Necrotic is such a meme now your not really going to need kyrian pot
mellow bridge
depends on the dungeon/pulls youre doing
wet atlas
speaking of M+/Kyrian, what slot should we use for our Unity once we hit rev?
civic torrent
Prot only - helm with 4pc in other slots, otherwise belt till then
Multi spec: helm with 4pc in other slots, otherwise bracers or ring
wet atlas
4pc. u say this like they drop in game or something lol.. jk. ty for the info
potent dirge
5pc gang here
strong forum
One piece gang here 🏴☠️ 🥤 🤠
sage yacht
median tulip
I have 3; I had 3 in week 1. I still have 3 now.
solid flicker
Just trying to get some offspec 15-17 tank keys going, Im having alot of issues with using reprisal though, is using thunderlord like a significant loss over reprisal, having alot of issues with decent reprisal usage
mellow bridge
yes
thunderlords is incredibly bad
using reprisal isnt as hard as you probably think
charge into a pack to start the fight
intervene a melee on CD
if you are running out of SB, shockwave -> walk out -> charge again
plush tendon
learn Reprisal, youll thank yourself later
mellow bridge
or leap -> charge
or just kite with a slow -> charge
or charge a ranged that doesnt move with you
if you just do that, it's already massively ahead of every other possible legendary for m+
plush tendon
its also fairly good for this week; you can reset necrotic and get a good charge off at the same time 😄
mellow bridge
like even just this will make it better than any other legendary
every charge you manage to fit on top of that makes it even better
dark lark
It's such a fun playstyle too
I was hating SL prot warrior until they revamped Reprisal
toxic prairie
Hey I was looking at coming back to prot , how are the new buffs ? Coming from dh
dark lark
Just don't eat wicked Bolts or brackish Bolts and you're vibing
toxic prairie
Words to live by haha
sturdy sable
Yeah you can face tank quite alot as prot
toxic prairie
I miss it, Dh is cool but outside of cooldowns it’s a piece of paper
cinder nova
some dude in trade chat saying prot is unmitigated dogshit while doing 4K ST in N
Then gets salty at my 100 parses.
radiant magnet
./leave trade
strong forum
bdk
radiant magnet
orange furry
cinder nova
I mean yeah but for damage?
all of it is baked into that stupid tier that flings judge free
strong forum
well
no
thats still bear
bear and brew dont have to do anything different for their tier to do numbers
pally gets a sped up rotation
bdk gets speedup x10
pwar gets speedup x20
chrome falcon
yeah if they didn't have their details up bear and brew literally wouldn't be able to tell that their tiers exist
chrome falcon
this is why i'm not even mad that our tier isn't as whack ass broken as the others
at least ours is fun
radiant magnet
covert beast tank mode engaged
chrome falcon
take 10 rage off whirlwind and make bonegrinder last full 9 seconds after ravager
this is the way
radiant magnet
we are but poor sad orphans, neglected in the streets, abused and beaten
please sir, may we have another buff please
strong forum
lowkey, anduin is quite a good representation of which tank will do how much m+ dps
not entirely accurate cuz druid can abuse it a bit more than others
cinder nova
pwar gets speedup x20
my fingies
cinder nova
pally just gets 1 more holypower every 3 sec
Isn't judgment one of their hardest-hitting abilities, though? A passive 3s slap without pressing anything seems imba af.
Imagine if we got SS every 3s for free without even having to press it
strong forum
it is
its good but its nothing crazy out of this world
but a pallys dmg profile is similar to ours
its not like bear where 40% dmg is thrash and the other 40% is their tierset
cinder nova
I must be doing something wrong then
The biggest bars on my damage profile are SS and Exe by miles
Tangentially... does it feel like we're pressing TC less?
At least with banner play
Almost doesn't feel worth the GCD with how little rage it gens unless I'm absolutely starved and have nothing else to push.
mighty cairn
in m+?
chrome falcon
TC is a terrible ability yes this is accurate
cinder nova
I mean, in M+ it's gonna see way more use outside of banner uptime
Because then you aren't sweating over rage gen and spend.
But in most raid encounters I almost feel dirty pushing it.
chrome falcon
i think it's the opposite
in m+ i would rather go get a charge reset to keep revenging than TC
cinder nova
Ehh... yeah, me too, but I tend to spend them pretty fast.
Mostly because I'm trying to pad the opening banner up to ~20+ seconds.
mellow gorge
lads
quick question
i've accidentally zoomed in on the meters addon
and now i don't know how to zoom out
and it's really tiny, how do I fix that
strong forum
mellow gorge
ah thank you
cinder nova
I noticed in general I actually press TC when I'm not in banner, which is... rare, but.
It just feels like a dead GCD half the time with banner.
And I think I saw a log from one of the SF that had 20 casts of it in a boss fight.
sturdy sable
Tangentially... does it feel like we're pressing TC less?
100% we have moments in our ration that only has TC off cd and we cannot press it ( dont wanna waste an out burst)
cinder nova
So with 4p I'm betting it'll basically fall to the wayside.
limber shadow
is there a up to date Necrolord Banner Sims list? (one in pins is 9.1)
strong forum
not that im aware
sturdy sable
It doesnt really matter unless your running keys
cinder nova
What can they do to TC to buff it without making it OP?
Nom, lemme hear your THEORYCRAFT
cinder nova
The talent or the conduit
strong forum
talent
cinder nova
Oh, I see what you mean
cinder nova
Remove the tech to use it through UF as a clown cleave
Then it allows them to buff it more aggressively
strong forum
yup
sturdy sable
Remove TC and give us back cleave
cinder nova
Big brain
cinder nova
Remove TC and give us back cleave
Revenge would like a word
strong forum
its such a sad fucking button
sturdy sable
So is revenge lol
cinder nova
Revenge is huge the fuck you mean
sturdy sable
I call prot the lawn mower spec
sturdy sable
Its huge because we press it a million times
sturdy sable
I dunno id like a st rage dump that i can use outaide of execute
sturdy sable
It buffs your sotr after you avenger shield
cinder nova
I'd suck toes for HS
sturdy sable
GIVE HEROIC STRIKE
Yeah i didnt wanna say it lol
strong forum
make revenge hit harder on if you hit 3 or less targets
or TC
but ST isnt the issue anymore
the issue now aoe dps
cinder nova
Oh man what if they turned the Show of Force conduit into a passive function of TC
and made it NOT dogshit
sturdy sable
Our aoe is alot better as NF or kyrian
strong forum
from what ive seen
sturdy sable
The problem is we cannot do both well at the same time
strong forum
no it isnt
strong forum
like ive seen tatt today
do first pull in halls 23 as NF
10k dps
thats just sad man
sturdy sable
Thats uhhh bad
strong forum
then you have warlock bursting for 70k+ dps
fury for 50k+ dps
on the same pull bear would do 50k dps bdk atleast 35k
strong forum
it was as NF
chrome falcon
focused rage make it work on revenge too 
cinder nova
That's awful.
cinder nova
Only way to do gigacleave as Prot seems to be Bonegrinder
which is suicide because it's completely disjoined from everything.
If they made Bonegrinder work with Revenge
📈
Huge
Mad huge
Still doesn't change the issue with snap aggro
dark lark
i dunno been bursting 40k on 5 targets today
Running BV right?
chrome falcon
they spawn in the same number and in the same places every time
based on which matter you killed
gotta say i don't really see an issue with snap threat either atm
on the few occasions where you don't have ravager/spear/avatar+TC at the start of the pack you can just challenging shout
dark lark
gotta say i don't really see an issue with snap threat either atm
Only time I have an issue is when they unload in that split second between I throw ravager and charge
cinder nova
i dunno been bursting 40k on 5 targets today
Kyr or NL
chrome falcon
i don't know the answer to that specific question domo, their positions are different but i would imagine the same number every time
cinder nova
And w/ or w/o bonegrinder?
jagged pier
Running BV right?
yes
chrome falcon
bursting 40k as NL is physically impossible
chrome falcon
unless you immediately crit with scale and an avatar TC and then screenshot details in the first 2 seconds
jagged pier
Can you just post your whole build 😅
dark lark
:(
chrome falcon
jakey doesn't do anything different to the normal build he just does it correctly with a very good group
cinder nova
ST on NL is yooj
chrome falcon
there are no secret hacks for prot just do it good
dark lark
Just do gooder 
cinder nova
Sucks to hear, but yeah that's basically it
jagged pier
yer tbh alot of u have to get a lot better sense out dpsing all u when he had 2 pc and u guys had 4 pc
chrome falcon
i'm being attacked.
jagged pier
not just u
was looking at stuff last night loads of ppl have less banner uptime as well
even tho they have 4 set compared to 2 pc
chrome falcon
counterpoint senses' guild is 400 ranks higher than me and kills bosses about a minute faster
that's my excuse and i'm sticking to it
dark lark
Counterpoint I'm in dps jail
cinder nova
I mean kill time is a huge factor in parsing tbh, but some stuff can't be excused from that.
Bigger on some fights than others, that is.
I JUST WANT 4P FUCK
chrome falcon
as long as i beat the guy who gets 6 PIs every fight i'm happy
cinder nova
👀 who the fuck is that and how do I poach those priests
chrome falcon
korean guild and he's their RL so i don't think they get much choice
dark lark
Lots of gold
chrome falcon
it's insane though they literally PI him outside of execute phases during progression
cinder nova
Is it Boost?
cinder nova
Who knows.
chrome falcon
when he's actively fucking up their prog for his own ego
chrome falcon
yeah it's very cringe
cinder nova
Last time I got 6 PI in a fight it was Andy and I had two priests simping MADLY for the tank DPS
Not gonna complain tho
chrome falcon
it's funny when you think about it for 2 seconds
but then you realise it's EVERY pull on EVERY boss
and it's just weird
i can't even get PI for anduin sub 20% when i'm literally top dps
sturdy sable
His guild obv
cinder nova
wait what the fuck is squeak
lofty widget
some toy used for padding cpm
lofty widget
i dont think so
cinder nova
y tho
jagged pier
to throw ppl off
cinder nova
of?
chrome falcon
for exactly what is happening right now
cinder nova
I hate this
chrome falcon
it makes people wonder what the fuck and then move on with their day
jagged pier
literally to confuse ppl
cinder nova
gotta fuck with my guild then how do I get it
blazing condor
cinder nova
Well none on the AH
amber herald
macro train set to all of your buttons
jagged pier
because u dont get it from AH
cinder nova
Oh, where from?
cinder nova
Yeah says it drops off Scornful Duelists, but it's not soulbound
So I figured it might be on AH
cinder nova
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
WOWHEAD LIED TO ME
There are no scornful duelists in either location marked
you tricked me reeeee
shut summit
🦇
oblique garnet
boost fell off a long time ago
Boost is also playing dps
blazing condor
why would you wanna pad CPM tho
i mean i get it confuses people...until you check the logs
but y
jagged pier
because its funny
blazing condor
hehe
dawn canyon
Tbf pi-ing prot over Demo is sigmamale behaviour
opal pawn
PI should only be used on prot warriors, I'm not biased at all
tame jasper
KSH done 🥳🥳🥳
blazing condor
pog
latent pier
quick question
Didn't the talent that reduces shockwave's CD if you hit three things used to be baseline?
latent pier
I was thinking around legion time-ish.
strong forum
think it was like that for arms
latent pier
or it came baked in with shockwave
straight up didn't remember and wanted to make sure.
I didn't really play warrior at all before legion.
chrome falcon
shockwave fucked so hard in legion
blazing condor
or it came baked in with shockwave
yeah was baked in in either cata or mop iirc
if you hit 3 or more enemies
15 sec cdr i think...?
latent pier
I'm glad they pruned it, I don't like having utility :)))))
latent pier
the real question is which classes would not want to go back to mop at this point
I can think of boomkin and that's about it
sturdy sable
DH would probably be upset
mighty valley
max did a poll a while back of "when was your spec best designed" and the results were clearly just when a spec was most busted
latent pier
my unpopular opinion is liking new demo more than mop demo.
though if you brought back old demo and old surv as fourth specs, I wouldn't complain.
urban portal
max did a poll a while back of "when was your spec best designed" and the result...
People don't realize a spec has a good design and still be weak
Or conversely
I think fury even in 9.0 was fine, just the #s are too low
mighty valley
yeah I think modern fury is so much better than the heroic strike era, regardless of strength
chrome falcon
@urban portal didn't people pick BFA for prot warrior
probably tied for the worst designed i've ever seen us
urban portal
Don't remember
Something like arms warrior isn't exactly the pinnacle of design this expac
But it was clearly very good in .1
strong forum
Due to WF being fixed and boss design
latent pier
People don't realize a spec has a good design and still be weak
I feel this way about survival, I genuinely love it, it just wasn't strong enough to justify maining.
It's like my second favorite melee.
urban portal
I don't like survival design tbh
jagged pier
Nani? Survival fucks right now
urban portal
Your resource bar doesn't matter in aoe
urban portal
It feels awkward that your optimal rotation has you resource capped for days
chrome falcon
if we could take every iteration of prot in the last 5 years and make them all equally numerically strong i don't think anyone would pick bfa
jagged pier
Erga would
chrome falcon
ok true
latent pier
how do the prot vets feel about legion?
chrome falcon
exactly one person who is a freak
chrome falcon
legion was a weird expansion because we started off great and then immediately got reworked into something pretty much equally great
latent pier
I figured
jagged pier
Vengence banners bladestorm dragon roar
chrome falcon
and it was like
ok sure but also weird
yeah mop was amazing though
solo tanking hc garrosh and topping dps and healing
lime urchin
Mop was fantastic yes
latent pier
new enhancement rework should have been how it worked from the start
chrome falcon
nothing has ever been like it
latent pier
it feels a million times better now
not mop level but it's sure as hell better than 9.0
chrome falcon
having two defensive CDs and one offensive CD for the raid in mop was just
lime urchin
I like the reprisal gameplay a lot
chrome falcon
fucking insane
lime urchin
Reprisal fits the class fantasy perfectly
latent pier
I like reprisal but I don't like depending on it.
lime urchin
Hopefully we can keep it
jagged pier
Rep is a bandaid fix
latent pier
ideally I could have good block uptime without it and just elect to use seismic like a chimp
lime urchin
Rep is a bandaid fix
Yes indeed
jagged pier
Personally i would just like the uptime and a different leggo
chrome falcon
it's definitely not fun atm every expansion/patch being like "ok what borrowed power is going to fix our SB gaps this time"
latent pier
I'm going broke off my lock just because of how many legos are viable
chrome falcon
i just want baseline ravager
it's such a relief being allowed to actually play with it this expac
sturdy sable
I enjoy the rage influx from rav alot
latent pier
what did the prot artifact thing do, again?
sturdy sable
Crit block
jagged pier
Block
latent pier
crit blocked-yeah
chrome falcon
a VERY little fire gout
latent pier
I love the deathwing shield
strong forum
Imagine the least amount of dmg you can think of
Then lower it by 50%
That was nelth flame
chrome falcon
i think it hit for less than a melee swing on each target
sturdy sable
The only time i actually remember using that ability consciously was mythic argus
strong forum
Ya it was a massive dps loss to press it
chrome falcon
there was exactly 1 pack in the whole game where it did good damage
and even then it was just ok
plus in legion revenge did fucking DAMAGGIO so it felt even worse to press it
latent pier
I remember the revenge mechanic in mop or whatever it was called
made tanks do cracked damage
chrome falcon
it was sweaty as fuck though you had to solo tank to get the juicy value
latent pier
sweaty tanks are the best tanks
chrome falcon
vengeance was so terribly overtuned that the higher your tank debuff from a boss got, the easier it was to tank
graceful kite
what did the prot artifact thing do, again?
blocking whatever the tank thing was on agramar
chrome falcon
the scariest part of the fight was the first few melees and then you were autopiloting
graceful kite
god it's animation was so awful
latent pier
starting my tanking journey on heroic kil'jaeden was an experience
slapped me around like I owed him money.
sturdy sable
Played brew for ant
sturdy sable
So i didnt even know he slapped till i came on alt night on my warriro
Oh yeah i loved legion brew
latent pier
i wish they would just figure out what the hell they want brew to be.
sturdy sable
2 tiger palm rotation was so smooth
graceful kite
early legion brew was dumb tho
sturdy sable
Yep
latent pier
I love prot it just feels like it's been missing something since legion ended.
graceful kite
I remember bluepost about how brew should work lol
latent pier
any notable timewalking M+ items I should farm out for prot, on that note?
Already doing that one trinket for fury
sturdy sable
Iirc they just werent staggering things correctly
graceful kite
Great design that you should stay at low health (30% iirc) to get maximum from your mastery
sturdy sable
Well
latent pier
you play a brewmaster when you want the healer to question his life for the entire run
sturdy sable
Brews ehp is massive
graceful kite
thats true
latent pier
they have no idea if you're sitting on a full heal or are legitimately about to die
graceful kite
still in early legion every other tank was better in m+ atleast
latent pier
I don't think there's a tank spec I dislike.
It's just a matter of liking the other specs.
graceful kite
Or their viability
latent pier
Like I genuinely don't like havoc.
I think it's one of the most boring specs in the game.
I like windwalker but don't like mistweaving since they don't let fistweaving be viable ever
graceful kite
they've removed fistweaving I'd say
graceful kite
they should return way of the crane
latent pier
I don't get why it's okay for feral aff resto and resto sham to do good damage but the literal punch healer can't.
graceful kite
And disc priest is the worst dps in m+ too
sturdy sable
The dps healer
latent pier
It's always one or the other with priests
mossy ferry
PUGging keys this week is no fun.
latent pier
either disc is dominant and holy sucks, or the other way around
mossy ferry
Necrotic is an invisible affix for most DPS every week, but this week in particular everyone is saving their slows and roots for spirits.
graceful kite
PUGging keys this week is no fun.
boomkin saves a lot of trouble
sturdy sable
Ive yet to have to really think about necrotic since getting 4p
mighty cairn
necrotic feels mostly easy after the nerfs now
latent pier
I sometimes forget it's necrotic week and almost died like an idiot a few times.
mighty cairn
falls off between a shockwave and heroic leap
mossy ferry
I did a run with two boomkin and clearly neither knew how necrotic worked since only one even had treants and he used it like every 5 minutes.
I kind of blame them but also kind of don't because how would they know if no one told them?
latent pier
I love spiteful week on the lock.
mossy ferry
Just an organized groups week I guess.
sturdy sable
Dude i tell boomies to just rip ent on cd and they still dont
latent pier
maximum pad.
mighty egret
necro is definitely a joke
mossy ferry
Usually yeah. But the start of NW with a couple butt pulls of 5 blight bags and the soldiers that will leap to you stacked me up to 60 and kept me there.
graceful kite
necro is definitely a joke
wdym
mossy ferry
It's not generally super dangerous until you're at 30 stacks or so, and groups with decent DPS will start thinning most packs out by the time that happens.
latent pier
i think
mighty egret
yes necrotic
torpid junco
Is necro BiS now?
mighty egret
for raid once you have set
jagged pier
Depends on fight as wrll
woeful trellis
Seismic still OP dmg?
jagged pier
On 3 target or more
latent pier
I wish I could play seismic on a 15ish key
chrome falcon
is seismic just dogshit with whirlwind because of how whirlwind works
latent pier
I feel too squishy if I try though.
strong forum
Seismic should be fine to play in 15s with a decent group
latent pier
I'm so used to reprisal at this point that I feel like I would just die instantly if I tried.
strong forum
The loss of rage gen
Is
Just ultra painful
Like not ingame but hurts me mentally
latent pier
the block uptime is what worries me.
chrome falcon
it's a 15
strong forum
Shouldn't matter too much
latent pier
still kind of a prot noob idk.
chrome falcon
you don't need to have 100% block uptime
strong forum
Lemme check my logs actually I did 2 baby keys today
hardy ridge
does any1 here play prot warr
latent pier
no
mighty cairn
no
strong forum
only ironically
lofty widget
we just talk about it alot
latent pier
i thought this channel was for paladins
strong forum
eww i only had 79% blocked hits
latent pier
how vile
lime urchin
Pleb!
uncut notch
Messing around with Fae, seems hugely underwhelming compared to Kyrian
But soulshape is veeeery nice
not having spear felt like id lost my right arm 😦
uncut notch
in practicality, i dont think so
I play with an arms warrior a lot and the damage done of AA is always 30-40% less than i get with spear overall
not to mention the absolute loss of utility
strong forum
AA used to do more dmg on 5 targets than spear did on 10
but now with EM, spear just does more
urban portal
Also 2 spears for every aa
uncut notch
I tried a mists and it just felt so off pace
jagged pier
I will say this it is harder to get QA out with koryan buff and avatar with tier set as u need to spam.rage away
uncut notch
never had AA when i wanted it
sturdy sable
Ive only ever been NF and i find mists to be the best dungeon for AA timings
But then again i have 2 years of using the spell so I know when i should use it
Well i was venthyr for most of CN
grave wedge
How do you guys feel tanking in prot my guild refused to allow a prot tank in raid. I hate my lack of self healing compared to other classes but it isnt that bad is it?
sturdy sable
Your guild 10/11 mythic or something?
grave wedge
not even fucking close
sturdy sable
Then they should just be happy they have someone willing to tank for them
This is tje closest tank balance has been in years
grave wedge
we have a prot pally and a Dh
sturdy sable
Pwar is def better then dh in raid
grave wedge
i mentioned tanking if need and it was shot down asap
true sparrow
But we're the worst damage? so everyone thats big on "well the top guilds didnt do that, so we shouldnt do that" hates them.
jagged pier
Prot played correctly is actually giga strong right now
sage yacht
we have a prot pally and a Dh
dh 
jagged pier
We arent supposed to heal, but we need a lot less healing than everything else thats the point
sturdy sable
Well we all should strive to be like sense
uncut notch
The only boss you might need to play well is Dausegne, DBM will tell you to taunt at 10 stacks which is insane DTPS
Drop that to like 7, and the whole raid is cruise control honestly
jagged pier
Well we all should strive to be like sense
Dude is legit on another level from the SFs and mwahi impossible
jagged pier
The only boss you might need to play well is Dausegne, DBM will tell you to taun...
U do not taunt on 10 stacks its like 3
urban portal
Maybe that's the heroic meta
uncut notch
DBM will tell you 10, we've been doing 7 in hc and its fine
jagged pier
Well yer in mythic its when the add is up/ when your stacks drop its like 3
uncut notch
yeah sure but if youre mythic raiding youre addressing like 0.1% of the populace
cinder dirge
Would it be broken to have TC off GCD ? 😄
oblique garnet
Dude is legit on another level from the SFs and mwahi impossible
🤔
uncut notch
Would it be broken to have TC off GCD ? 😄
I just want demo shout off GCD 😦
jagged pier
🤔
Legit in raid, im the on Sf that raids cant even get close and ive tried
Am always 2nd to sense
He is god 🙏
oblique garnet
Similiar killtimes?
oblique garnet
I mean you have logs you can analyze what he does differently and try to match it
oblique garnet
🤔
jagged pier
Well maybe a little
median tulip
God I hate the second boss in Gambit
jagged pier
Theres an ez way if u have a warlock 
median tulip
"Why didn't you breath the adds?" MAYBE BECAUSE YOU ALL RAN AROUND LIKE HEADLESS CHICKENS SO HITTING MORE THAN ONE WAS IMPOSSIBLE
jagged pier
🤫
oblique garnet
Well maybe a little
Genuienly curious tho what does he do differently
jagged pier
From what i remeber its slightly better rage management, probably down to most comfortable guild etc etc
My guilds good, but first tier progging with them so gettting used to the healers
jagged pier
I dunno its depend when your looking at logs tbh, from what i remeber u dont see sense cheese much and like im legit comparing like first kill logs cause anyone and their mums can cheese at the end of a tier
But doing good damage on prog thats where its at
haughty sleet
Also he raid leads
oblique garnet
What was most fun as tank on prog was just trying to minimize the damage you are taking while also maximising your dps
strong forum
ye
strong forum
whenever i compared to better logs than mine, i always took alot less dmg
urban portal
And on farm you try to maximize the damage you take
strong forum
i cant greed enough
urban portal
So healers can parse
jagged pier
Nome will tell u i literally link everything as second when i kill it atm
That man is always ahead
strong forum
but now you have 4p aswell
chrome falcon
i just want my goddamn dps trinkets i still don't have sack or phial
haughty sleet
I just want to tank again 😢
jagged pier
I have phial but sack eludes me 5 runs today and no ends of gambit groups because the group finder doesnt know the difference
uncut notch
I just want to tank again 😢
honestly prot is perfectly viable, and the way sofo is designed you can do disgusting damage on a lot of the fights
chrome falcon
I wish every key just had 4 bosses to normalise the loot table
uncut notch
I have phial but sack eludes me 5 runs today and no ends of gambit groups becaus...
hhahahah ive had that so many times
Queue for streets and end up in stormheim
chrome falcon
Still no codex either but I’m not doing stuff that requires it yet
hardy viper
Thought anger management would be locked in talent when gettign 4-set but can see heavy reprecussion is still heavily used
chrome falcon
It shouldn’t be
lofty widget
nah you shouldnt play HR with 4pc
chrome falcon
Those people are doing it wrong
jagged pier
Ppl using before were wrong imo
lofty widget
yea
jagged pier
Its for sure wrong now
chrome falcon
Tru
hardy viper
good
sturdy sable
I think HR simmed slightly better in ST then AM for me during SoD for some reason
sturdy sable
Well you gave up so much running it
safe thistle
oh well next season with old raid coming back means we will be able to get aegis/OWS at max ilvl 🙂
we will get ShA back too o.o
jagged pier
The apl was wack back then
Repisal wasnt working correctly all sorts
Its better now dont know if what nome and mwahi have been working on has been released yet but its slightly more robust
jagged pier
Str> haste anything else
chrome falcon
tazavesh is fine
jagged pier
Codex is flat 10% damage reduction its huge
chrome falcon
and legendary prices have cratered
if you get a codex proc during avatar that's the same as pre-buff DS it's pretty great
idk what's going on on your server but here (tarren mill so huge demand for legendaries) a 262 and 291 are both 48k
down from 150k on wednesday
mighty valley
you can live with a rank 5 which is extremely cheap now
mighty valley
i guess it's very server dependent
chrome falcon
very server dependent and prices also fluctuate wildly
mighty valley
i'm on a smaller server and everything has dropped so much
mellow bridge
sure
but even if we say it's 50k per legendary
on VDH I still need 4 of them just to play my spec properly
that's 200k gold just to be able to play without dragging down my stats for no reason
mighty valley
sounds like a bad spec
mighty valley
are they choices if you need them all to feel functional?
mellow bridge
not that big a difference
mighty valley
you can get one leggo for free, and you can live with just reprisal, wall is just an optimization for some fights
mellow bridge
"without dragging down my stats for no reason"
in previous expansions I could just play the game and get my optimal items
oblique quarry
What kind of dps are we looking at with 4pc single target necro?
mellow bridge
now I have to spend hundreds of thousands of gold over the entire expansion to get it
it's just dumb
chrome falcon
full bis sims at like 11.5k anema
mellow bridge
but w/e pointless discussion
oblique quarry
Cool, thanks
chrome falcon
if i remember nomer's last post
oblique quarry
Thats not much worse than prot pally from what I hear
chrome falcon
nope NL fucks hard on single target
oblique quarry
There is hope! 😌
final bay
prot warrior is still the most addicting/fun tank to play, so i'll take the glimmer of hope
we get a bad rap, but we do alright
mighty egret
i want TC bfa build back
oblique quarry
Strong agree; I have been enjoying my prot warrior so much more than my pally. The damage dif was starting to make me have doubts. At least the tier seems to help.
final bay
I was actually a little shocked how smooth the rage loop was with 4pc. It didn't seem like it was gonna be as sexual as it turned out to be
feels good, man
chrome falcon
@mighty egret yes pressing TC every other global for a whole dungeon was very engaging gameplay super fun
mighty egret
the CD reduction playstyle was fun too
dark lark
<@!178570824331165696> yes pressing TC every other global for a whole dungeon wa...
More so than anything, I just want TC to do some damage again
mighty egret
that too
dark lark
I don't need Unstoppable Force to be good, competitive maybe so that we have options, but TC needs to not be a shit global
final bay
I wish show of force (conduit) had more interactions (and be good). If you're gonna make TC suck, atleast make it like the "wingman" global, so we can weave it in to make another button press good, almost like a monk hit combo or something.
OR; alternative,
Change the animation of TC to be thunder clappin' them cheeks, making the button press at least entertaining
mighty egret
technically it is the wingman global
you press it to see if you get a SS proc
lmao
mighty egret
true
chrome falcon
@sweet summit i feel like you've trolled me with your hidden tech
final bay
and then i fatfinger it anyway, FEELS WORSE MAN
hardy ridge
got 3k as pwar thinking they pretty good.. my friend first times guardian and does like 12k overall pressing 1 button while fkn chuckling the whole time and being unkillable
guess he's my push tank now
chrome falcon
@sweet summit i thought you said grapeshot wouldn't go up there
sweet summit
idk what that is
mighty egret
got 3k as pwar thinking they pretty good.. my friend first times guardian and do...
3k at what ilvl?
hardy ridge
like 270
sweet summit
got 3k as pwar thinking they pretty good.. my friend first times guardian and do...
got nerfed
🙂
mighty valley
how is someone doing 3k at 270
hardy ridge
got nerfed
haha sick nerf.. he did like 60k first pull of gambito
sweet summit
mighty valley
oh
hardy ridge
so sad man
hardy ridge
he was first timing it and did 12k trolling
i wouldn't be surprised if good guardian druids could 20k+ overall
urban portal
already nerfed
lofty widget
big pog
urban portal
o where
sweet summit
ionic nimbus
Guardian 4set got nerfed (reduced dmg to high target numbers) and now they will get a flat 35% nerf
plucky hearth
honestly feels so much better than hammer
had to necro for a pf and was amazed by it
sweet summit
urban portal
isnt this just worse than hammer
you get the haste after something dies
when the pull is about to be over
while hammer is active when the fight is at its hardest
lofty widget
guess it might be decent with spiteful this week if you chain pull?
urban portal
but that would be equal in the best case scenario
you take the haste from the end of pack 1 to beginning of pack 2
but with hammer you have it at beginning of pack 1 and 2
amber herald
just saw a monk with 95k hp 