worth going banner before 2pc or 4pc?
#protection
main veldt
plush tendon
I think its worth trying before 4
in fact, its worth trying before tier imo
lets enjoy the fact 3/4 covs are pretty cool for us 🙂
mossy ferry
I played banner with 2p last week and it felt noticeably tankier than Kyrian to me. You do less DPS yourself, but you contribute more DPS to your party so who knows what the actual difference in damage you bring is.
craggy pilot
so basically in DOS you are supposed to just Lust the first pack, and pray you survive the magic dmg?
like im getting melted on my alt paladin in those packs
amber herald
there might be a WA for tracking banner damage, there is for chaos brand
craggy pilot
and the first pack in Hakkar wing, 2 devoted, and a Inspiring on top of them... Cant even CC the inspiring cus you will have to walk to the devoted?
chrome falcon
yeah you just pull the inspiring away while your group kills the devoted
mossy ferry
and the first pack in Hakkar wing, 2 devoted, and a Inspiring on top of them... ...
You can pull the caster away from the devoted. Just an interrupt and LoS will do it.
craggy pilot
You can pull the caster away from the devoted. Just an interrupt and LoS will do...
ohhhh wow
im idiot
plush tendon
so boys how you think prot warrior will do after reset?
tankier then before, nothing meta changing, but obviously stronger and more on par with the mean
mossy ferry
Chances of doing that successfully in a PUG are low though.
craggy pilot
usually im the only one doing Shockwave 😄
chrome falcon
leap in then
mossy ferry
In my last run I said what to do and a hunter thought that meant "CC it."
worthy trellis
@plush tendon isnt the prot warrior tier sets abit meh?
mossy ferry
Better than the people that stunlock it though.
worthy trellis
im fury main and got 4set allready but was thinking to try out prot
but the set bonus looks shit
plush tendon
Prot Tier is pretty fun
worthy trellis
okey
plush tendon
It gives lots of rage
chrome falcon
infinite* banners
mossy ferry
Yup
craggy pilot
ye long banners sure, but that doesnt rly help when running Kyrian
plush tendon
When Im using all my rage on revenge and IP pretty much all the time, I just think of it as feeding the fire
plush tendon
Spear is fun
mossy ferry
I mean sure, but is it BANNER fun? 🙂
plush tendon
keeping it rolling kind of fun
craggy pilot
spear is big dmg, and yoinks
mossy ferry
keeping it rolling kind of fun
This.
amber herald
did they increase our rage gen without the tier set?
plush tendon
I think its more of Spear>Banner, but Glory>EM
craggy pilot
keeping it rolling kind of fun
didnt you use to have a different avatar? im so confused 😄
plush tendon
yes
craggy pilot
I think its more of Spear>Banner, but Glory>EM
ye tru EM is kinda sadge
why i was considering going NF
plush tendon
changed avatar for reasons
plush tendon
why i was considering going NF
eh, the NF one is like EM; it doesnt really do much
just bigger number
and still capped at 5
plush tendon
it puts that stacking dot on, so really punishes movement
craggy pilot
like in overall dmg?
plush tendon
I think thats the question
vernal vale
Ancient Aftershock is good for interuppting groups of casters
plush tendon
400 mastery or 90%+ uptime is quite big
vernal vale
It's why I like it.
plush tendon
plus 20% strength from conduit
like, banner may be a stat stick, but its a big stat stick
craggy pilot
ye but the 20% strength doesnt extend right?
chrome falcon
ofc it does
plush tendon
the conduit strength does
chrome falcon
why wouldn't it
plush tendon
why wouldn't it
Blizz coding?
but in this instance, yea, when you keep banner up its 20% strength and 400 mastery
plus the movement speed and slow resist
plus 8 rage per 2 seconds
chrome falcon
4*
craggy pilot
rage pr second, we dont need more rage pr second 🤣
plush tendon
chrome falcon
uh
craggy pilot
make Revenge cost 40 rage and do double the dmg, then well talk
craggy pilot
well 30 for starters then 😄
craggy pilot
i feel so much better when its 1 target in Execute range
plush tendon
yea, more rage please
chrome falcon
like if you don't want your rage
plush tendon
I want all the rage
craggy pilot
😄
chrome falcon
i'll gladly take your portion
chrome falcon
yeah sure i'm not going to pretend we're a perfect class but i don't think we're fixing that by uh
plush tendon
Ill find a way to spend
chrome falcon
doubling the rage cost of revenge
sturdy sable
Let spell reflect allow me to block spells during its duration
Double indom heal
Bandaid fix till next rework
Quadruple the amount of IP we can bank
latent pier
just did a 15 theater and I don't think my health fell below 80% once.
sturdy sable
Yeah we mitigate shit well
chrome falcon
I don't think anyone's hp is going below 80% in a 15 atm tbf
latent pier
I don't think anyone's hp is going below 80% in a 15 atm tbf
Last two weeks were rocking me a bit.
chrome falcon
Sure pre-double legendary
latent pier
Granted my guildies needed some carries but my rag healer in this pug didn't even have to try.
latent pier
a little.
plush tendon
and more gear
latent pier
I definitely feel sturdier.
plush tendon
which also helps
latent pier
war's kind of my side char till my warlock gets 4set so it's not that much more new gear sadly :(
plush tendon
hedging my bets by keeping a Blood/Frost DK, Warrior, and Warlock geared
latent pier
Warlock has never really been bad in the game's history.
plush tendon
naw, but I need it good in keys
latent pier
Few very brief times.
plush tendon
and demo is looking like stonks
latent pier
Demo and 4pc destro
latent pier
why the hell they buffed destro I'll never know.
Yeah, venthyr destro with big pulls is actually like
legitimately broken
lofty widget
it's apparently behind in raid or something
lofty widget
🤷♂️
latent pier
Meanwhile affliction didn't get buffed because I assume blizz looked at pantheon parses and went 'this is fine.'
lofty widget
they also buffed our dmg but that wasnt like needed or anything
lofty widget
prot y
plush tendon
Meanwhile affliction didn't get buffed because I assume blizz looked at pantheon...
its like when they said 'we'd rather you not play demo'
plush tendon
I think they have a issue with affliction
latent pier
Design entire spec around malefic rapture
nerf malefic rapture when it does majority of aff damage
stonks
plush tendon
wasnt really a fan of it tbh
plush tendon
but I think going into this expansion, blizz tried really hard to kill DoT classes in general
at least, in the traditional sense of a DoT class
latent pier
I don't get why they reversed the roles of shadow and aff
aff used to be about spread pressure and shadow about kinda funneling into one guy you hate in particular
plush tendon
aff used to be about spread pressure and shadow about kinda funneling into one g...
100%
in my mind, affliction is a spec that has a slow ramp up in their damage, but once they get it, they just maintain
latent pier
The madness thing was cool but it's actually unbalancable.
plush tendon
little burst, but consistent output
latent pier
WoD shadow was awesome. :<
plush tendon
never played a priest
couldnt really get into it
Warlock I could get into; honestly, it was the mage tower set that made me try lock out
latent pier
uhhh
plush tendon
ill know in a hour I guess
sweet summit
no
chrome falcon
what's the affixes for the week
plush tendon
Necrotic and spiteful?
sweet summit
should be ^
chrome falcon
like every patch for the last 2 years
plush tendon
pretty much
was a mistake to make a affix so toxic for tanks that they just dont play the game when its up
vernal vale
Necrotic was so aids at times when enemies couldn't be slowed or would jump to you it just wasn't worth playing.
viral flume
prot warrior 2nd best necrotic tank
Actually?
strong forum
ye
viral flume
What's the best? Bdk? Cuz they basically have drw every pull now, parry op
strong forum
it would be best if bears UFR didnt ignore necrotic
BDK might have alot of parry, but they still need to do like 10-20k hps everypull
urban portal
bdk/s mitigation still gets eaten
strong forum
regardless
urban portal
yeah
viral flume
Ahh rip
urban portal
whereas shield block is more consistent
strong forum
so while theyve gotten better vs necrotic, theyre still relying on their healing alot
viral flume
Shield block is the best active mitigation in the game, isn't it?
urban portal
brew is not bad
strong forum
ye
strong forum
vdh is the weakest vs necrotic
viral flume
You spelt kiting wrong
urban portal
shield block is the best mitigation its just that ignore pain is also the worst spender
plush tendon
I think lots of tanks have good ways to get around Necrotic
Prot Warrior just really good at mitigating damage, Bear incarn lego plus their cc stuffs, VDH can just jump away and use sigils, BDK with DRW reducing stacks and 90% dnd slow, Paladin with bubble taunt and BoP, and monk with movement and RoP
plus Kyrian good for all of them so they can Phial or run Kleia if they feel they need it
blazing condor
@jagged pier that mustve been the cleanest artificer kill ive seen
jagged pier
<@!179993058186625025> that mustve been the cleanest artificer kill ive seen
I got more executes not my problem
Also raid leaders fault called to early
chrome falcon
not looking forward to RL xymox on thursday definitely going to get everyone killed a few times
mighty valley
"rings are happening, you figure it out, i'm not your dad"
chrome falcon
i will definitely make that call on the last rings of the fight thank you
pliant sage
Regarding the Intervene/Charge macro in the pins, can I drop the mouseover part of it and still have it function?(pins lead to icyveins, veins has macro listed in it)
mighty egret
mighty valley
Better than 0 piece
I haven't seen any 278 tier yet so all mine's getting replaced eventually
lofty widget
Regarding the Intervene/Charge macro in the pins, can I drop the mouseover part ...
yes it will still work, i do recommend this one instead tho
#showtooltip
/cast [help] intervene; charge
austere forum
My SS cool down at raid last night was 6.1 secs - too much haste?
Shield slam .. typo
lofty widget
equip your highest ilvl gear and youre golden
and prio haste on jewlery within like 13-16 ilvls
mighty valley
if your haste isn't blasting above 40% you're absolutely fine
austere forum
Also felt like there was a lot more downtime than I anticipated.. so I just burn rage on IP? Or revenge On Boss? And do I even need to cast thundershock on Boss fights
lofty widget
you press IP to avoid overcapping rage, revenge is your main damage dealer outside SS, and yes you press thunder clap more or less on CD
warm warren
hello prot brothers, are prot warriors great now with new changes?
lofty widget
warm warren
fu
latent pier
hello prot brothers, are prot warriors great now with new changes?
I definitely feel a lot tankier than yesterday for what that's worth
My vault was a dps weapon so that's not a factor.
west walrus
To kill a party member we don't like
Do you mean... a misdirection ? 👀
latent pier
I prefer the term 'human shield'
Bonus points if we physically pick up the targeted party member
latent pier
No but real talk
A weird version of leap of faith where we can just yeet our intervene target if we wanted to would be dope
Rampantly abused
But dope
west walrus
We are supposed to protect people
austere forum
Are there any other alternative legendaries besides Reprisal and the wall?
dense pewter
Why is it when you talk about enjoying prot at any time, someone has to run in from the woodworks and say "yeah but how much self healing are you doing?"
Like bro I'm taking 20% of what you do with autos in M+. Shut up.
latent pier
According to some meters here
Our effective healing ain't bad >.>
Why does ip count as a heal? It's kind of a weird absorb ain't it?
urban portal
any absorb is a heal
lofty widget
our EHRPS isnt much different from other tanks, we just have different ways of mitigating the damage
chrome falcon
There’s no functional difference between an absorb and a heal
Other than absorbs being better
twin linden
is 2pc enough to run AM or should i wait until 4pc
urban portal
0 piece is enough to run am
chrome falcon
You could have run AM last patch
lofty widget
you should have run AM last patch
twin linden
i was blood last patch 🙂
mighty valley
Well there's your problem
twin linden
dont worry i passed the curse onto my former cotank
fading quiver
hows the new patch feel to most?
chrome falcon
You get a pass because your name and discord pic go well together
I am imagining that that dogs name is brioche bun and it’s very cute
twin linden
i sure am a little cutie 🙂
waxen orbit
Rampantly abused
Damn bro just @ me next time
latent pier
You say that like I wouldn't yeet the goblin from rag into certain death if given the chance
scenic mural
Got tier gloves to replace tier gloves
latent pier
I got the good ending to that
I skipped tier gloves two weeks ago and got higher level ones the week after
#winning
vernal vale
another week with no tier this week its belt where i have unity for now, a pair of boots, and a bad trinket, with the other stuff being just as bad
mighty valley
That's not a bis cloak so sure, tier will give you the biggest boost now
old flame
thanks harrow
sick sentinel
new to tanking, at how many stacks should we start kiting necrotic>
hard vessel
There is a WA which makes a sound at 35, this should be a good time to think about kiting for reset
old flame
I normally start planning at about 30 for the best way to reset
languid smelt
Is the Slimy Consumptive Organ a trap or did I get lucky in my vault?
old flame
trap
languid smelt
That is what I was thinking.
chrome falcon
oh that shit REAL bad
old flame
it's a big stam trinket with 0 benefits basically. do not want
languid smelt
Yeah the healing sounded lackluster. Thanks for the feedback.
dark lark
278 tier gloves and 265 tier helm in vault. Normal tier bosses and some heroic tonight. What should my plan of attack be?
languid smelt
Decide after the raid imo.
chrome falcon
depends what you have already
dark lark
Already at 2p chest and shoulders
chrome falcon
decide after tonight
dark lark
Pray for legs I guess
mighty valley
278 gloves is bis and ideally you won't use helm at all long term
But for real, getting 4p asap is the main goal for prog
so wait and see
mellow bridge
new to tanking, at how many stacks should we start kiting necrotic>
There's no fixed number
Some pulls you get a lot of stacks quickly but take low damage so you can chill
Some pulls are very hard and even low stacks are already dangerous
Just need to feel it out
Kite whenever it seems like your healer can't keep you up anymore
With the 5s duration you can easily reset stacks with a good shockwave and just a few yards of kiting
tropic linden
When is best to spell reflect on dausegne?
chrome falcon
depends
but you could do a reflect on 2 stacks
and then it'll be back up near the end of your 4th stack
pliant sage
yes it will still work, i do recommend this one instead tho
#showtooltip
/cast [...
Ty
brave stirrup
with the changes, and considerin the "feel" test, how do the changes feel? can you tell?
nova rover
any suggestions? I have a haste mastery cloak at 262 that I can upgrade
Thinking of taking the Pocket Protoforge
chrome falcon
real rough vault
nova rover
yea its kind of gross
chrome falcon
protoforge sucks but it might get buffed in theory
nova rover
Does it?
nova rover
I already have the earthbraker in bags
the cloak would lose me so much haste, the same with ring
chrome falcon
rng absorb just not a good thing
nova rover
Yea I honestly want an upgrade to tyhe scale
rain portal
Question, all trinkets at 252 ilvl, Elegy, vs Decanter vs Sigil (Kyrian) which two would be best, currently using Elegy and Decanter
chrome falcon
really depends on the content
sigil is a ST trinket
for execute phases in fights that last like 6-8 minutes
pliant sage
Is this the best chat to ask kinda basic questions about Prot? I'm relearning the spec and trying to fit in the Reprisal play style since that's the legendary Prot is apparently using
urban portal
rng absorb just not a good thing
RDM tho
chrome falcon
does a bunch of damage not the same
latent pier
is a heroic rdm worth holding on to?
urban portal
yea
serene saffron
i feel like i literally dont do enough damage to even do this mage tower its kinda insane.
balmy canyon
Anyone else getting 3% dodge from somewhere when in prot spec? It shows up while I'm prot but if I go arms or fury it disappears (even with the same gear).
sharp torrent
how is pocket protoforge for keys?
chrome falcon
also yeah conman that's the hard part
have fun
protoforge is bad codex is better
sick sentinel
is there another cutscene for sylvanna
or did she just yeet herself into maw and thats it
sick sentinel
wait, and so we cant just go into the maw and follow and kill her because???
cinder nova
Because she kicked your raid's ass solo
You think you can just yeet after her and give her a drubbing alone?
still topaz
Any US people tried the new changes out yet?
Is Prot any better now or is it still meh?
^ ignore that part, does it feel good to play *
I found myself roleplaying as a demonhunter before
mighty valley
It felt good to play before the changes
torn gust
not yet
still topaz
I like the feel of it a lot better than say druid, but my health didn't agree
mighty valley
Where were you dying?
cinder nova
My HP barely moves on anything but the most thick tankbusters
still topaz
Last time I tried playing it was 2 weeks ago, so I don't remember at all
cinder nova
That was before
mighty valley
It is harder to play than most
still topaz
Big pulls with shield wall felt a lot better to tank than anything I've tried so far, but I felt that downtime on that ability
Granted, I played as NF since my Kyrian wasn't fully unlocked
so that was probably one of the core reasons it sucked for me
I feel like having that 1 min kiting CD is really good
still topaz
Interesting, I might give it a shot again when I get more versa gear
mighty valley
Vers isn't important
still topaz
Ok well you've convinced me I have to say. I'll definitely try it out again
You reckon investing into a stat neck with more versa would be worth it tho?
mighty valley
If your neck is bad, grabbing a crafted haste one would be fine
still topaz
My neck is the crafted haste/mast one
I'm 270 ilvl with practically almost fully BIS fury gear
mighty valley
Just play that gear with a shield and you'll be fine
still topaz
Might play around as prot offspec so I get some tanking trinkets, I think that'll be huge too. Might be able to yoink one from my raid tomorrow
lootspec ^
mighty valley
A lot of the tank trinkets aren't super great and you're fine with just damage ones
still topaz
Well, I'd like at least one
upper spoke
What's the macro or command to intervene your focus target? Sry if it's posted somewhere
still topaz
/cast [@focus] Intervene```Thank you 🙂
torn gust
i'll probably try out necro with 4 piece
still topaz
I hope I land a 4 set tomorrow
balmy narwhal
Hey guys, I don't have the option to move the weakaura icons, I can do it by playing with X and Y axis
but I would like to move it with click and drag
balmy narwhal
how can i unlock it lol I can't find the option in wa lol
still topaz
I have no idea to be honest
It might be in the code
I tried googling it for you but there's nothing that pops up for that
I have a few WAs that are immovable, but they aren't ones that I should be allowed to move
What is your WA for? It might be locked for a reason
Can you see if changing the anchor point does anything?
balmy narwhal
didnt work i guess i just work with the x y axis ahaha
When is it worth to go necro?
After the 2 legendaries or should i get the 4 set before swapping to necro for raid
I only got 2 set
latent pier
Can you mess with it in the weakaura menu?
If you select it?
Also an unrelated question: do we use IP more now or mostly the same?
ocean yoke
maybe slightly more over time with the cost reduction but doesnt feel too different to me
novel temple
How’re the new changes feeling?
ocean yoke
at least my experience a little bit tankier and the spell reflect cd change probably the main thing i notice
novel temple
Cause didn’t we get a damage buff last time too?
sand pebble
New changes felt amazing basically solo tanking lfr looking for tier gloves
opal pawn
The defensive buffs have felt pretty great. Just the 5% passive along with the CD of Spellreflect being lowered was gnarly.
timber cloud
Hey anyone know how exactly the Lihuvim tank swap works? Do you taunt before the animation hits the other tank? After? During resonance cast? etc
hollow bolt
fading quiver
Yooooo, is something broken? did they fudge a number in the tuning? This is our heroic rygelon ehrps:
im below dps that didnt even get hit by massive bang
kinda surprising tbh
I was struggling this boss last week
tidal reef
Hey anyone know how exactly the Lihuvim tank swap works? Do you taunt before the...
You can taunt when the yellow ring comes to the other thank
distant crystal
apparently block is OP for corrupted strikes/corrupted wound
tidal reef
Isn't it parry to not get the dot, like dancing rune weapon from bdk
fading quiver
to not get the dot you just have to completely mitigate
either parry, dodge, or full absorb
heading into each corrupted sb + a full ip and it almost never put the dot on me
distant crystal
the more you mitigate the smaller the dot
and who mitigates more than warrs
ez
and the strikes are like a dual physical/cosmic attack but phys is way bigger
idk if you can reflect/deflect the cosmic 🤷
guess not
tidal reef
Tbh I have never sen anyone die to that ability, it hits for nothing If you swap every cast
fading quiver
the above was with 1 stack swaps
distant crystal
i snooped your log that seems to be the big diff
the DK is taking huge corrupted wound dot compared to you
urban portal
He has to rune tap
fading quiver
BIG absorbs
urban portal
Need to literally push every button
That being said I'm fairly sure bdk doesn't need that much eh
He could've just healed it up by himself if you tainted off
fading quiver
hmm, looking back at logs its the same for other fights
even anduin im waaaaaay low
really surprising
mighty valley
this patch we've gotten 5% more DR in general + 5% more DR on IP + 10% DR from Avatar with 4p plus a million more IP uptime from rage
it adds up
fading quiver
it just seems.... excessive
mellow gorge
no such thing
jagged pier
Its ither theres something funky about the new changes or your log. Or that is just the class now
green laurel
Hi all, Do any of you happen to play both prot warrior and Pala? I main Fury but would very much like to start taking. Just can't decide which one to play. Is one much harder to grasp than the other? Appreciate Pala may be considered more 'meta' (I'm only going to be playing m+)
Is there anything that warrior really lacks?
I suppose one other conciseration is I already have tier/set on my warrior and no real gear on an alt.
Cheers
tidal reef
Prot paladin is way easier to play effectively
delicate sluice
Hey guys, is prot Warrior good with the new buffs?
tough cloud
its better ahahha idk how good it is, its still far from bis tank
bright dock
Hi all, Do any of you happen to play both prot warrior and Pala? I main Fury but...
Hey I was in your situation last tier. I love prot pally hate ret love fury and thought prot war was okay. May seem really hard at first compared to prot pal but being able to do everything on one character is really nice. I raid as fury and tank keys as prot. Start off kyrian in low keys to learn. Get a good weakaura with the basics. It's worth it in the long run to not have a shittier geared tank alt if you play fury.
Kyrian and necro can be really fun in keys once you're used to the class
green laurel
That was kinda one of my thoughts. The fact u already have a sum what geared warrior. With tier etc.
All I'd need on the warrior is a 1 hander/shield which I think for the time being I could grab from zenith mo?
I'll slowly get my necro up, is kyrian still competitive for keys or should I just bit the bullet and get necro straight away?
@bright dock
bright dock
That was kinda one of my thoughts. The fact u already have a sum what geared war...
yeah most warriors are still running kyr for keys, imo i wouldnt waste time leveling necro until you are comfy with the class in general
you could even keep doing keys as fury and set your loot spec for dungeons that have 1h/shields
sweet summit
echo egret
278 Scale or 259 Tier shoulders (my 1st piece, I'm not a heavy raider) ?
raven hatch
do you have a scale at all?
echo egret
not anymore, last I had was early season 2
raven hatch
scale is just so good for m+
and in a few weeks you can craft tier
so if you can be patient for tier
echo egret
yeah that's what I'm thinking
raven hatch
maybe updated tooltip but don't think the actual changes were online
seen a couple people saying there is a noticeable difference
proper dock
Sepulcher's Savior, has anyone looked into this Shield, is it worth losing the sub stats.
ionic fern
Sepulcher's Savior, has anyone looked into this Shield, is it worth losing the s...
Idk about the offensive side but from the defensive side, no.
ionic fern
opinons on the trinket?
It's solid - use it in Execute phase for big damage in Raid.
dawn canyon
It's an "easy" 278 item though 
so using it is fine
proper dock
thanks 🙂
tawdry dirge
have a bit hard times to pic my vault
wepon is atm 3 ilvl upgrade cloak i have allready and belt is my unity 291
ionic fern
Belt or Sigil then.
You will (or should alteast) craft Unity in another slot down the road.
If you won't be bothered with it just take Sigil.
sweet summit
^
tawdry dirge
so ignor weapon and vp upgrade?
sweet summit
weapon is only 265, you can get better with valor, but i suppose you could take it to save 500(?) valor (one upgrade rank) if you don't want sigil or belt
tawdry dirge
my curent is the crit mastery one at 262
ionic fern
😦
sweet summit
big ring or socket angle
craggy pilot
no socket tho
ionic fern
I wonder if today is the day where i join the 1p squad.
craggy pilot
i have 3p, and then i get this garbage 😄
sweet summit
o yeah 4 slots is not a full socket :/
craggy pilot
o yeah 4 slots is not a full socket :/
ohhh the coins
craggy pilot
isnt 3 slots enough for a socket?
craggy pilot
ye you get 2 pr slot
sweet summit
an upgrade at least
craggy pilot
no tier on 5 toons 😄
craggy pilot
3 more weeks no?
blazing condor
No doubt about it i am ready to be disappointef again
sweet summit
that's soon
craggy pilot
6 slots and no tier on paladin 😦
main veldt
For those of you who have played both, how much easier is BDK over PWar?
lime urchin
I wonder if today is the day where i join the 1p squad.
All the cool kids got no tier
uncut notch
I wonder if today is the day where i join the 1p squad.
Don't im hufffing full copium here
sweet summit
For those of you who have played both, how much easier is BDK over PWar?
they're difficult in their own ways if that makes sense, i do think warrior is easier overall, but that might just be because i have more experience on it
uncut notch
and all the sick players are 0 or 1-2/4 haha
quick coyote
need a second opinion... I am still barely on my 2set at the moment and this is the best two in the vault the ring simz as a dps upgrade and naturally be much better stats wise as its a big Ilvl jump from the 252.. Should I take it or take helm and go for 4 set this week?
helm is a 4ilvl downgrade on my 259 piece but its the 4 set option seems nicer
dawn canyon
Are you doing the tier bosses you are missing this week?
quick coyote
doing the bosses we are currently 9/11
blazing condor
What's a guild.
dawn canyon
doing the bosses we are currently 9/11
Id wait till after you did raid to try and maybe get 4p
quick coyote
We raid sun/tues so could be before reset literally before i know
wild rampart
i guess shield right?
quick coyote
nice
wild rampart
crit vers, not too shabby, i can have my haste on other slots
sweet summit
pog fury ring!!!!
ionic fern
https://gyazo.com/2ecc2f6e3f0273ce820f123f173a51a2
Big, i also did 4 dungeons for 2 thingies.
blazing condor
honestly pog fury ring
but im not a pog fury player
im more of a cringe fury player
blazing condor
true
strong forum
I accuse you of false things
west walrus
I want to kill myself...
A part in my vault... heroic gloves, for the second time, the ONE I already have
uncut notch
A part in my vault... heroic gloves, for the second time, the ONE I already have
In S2 i had sin stained pendant 6 weeks in a row
Became a running joke in my guild
west walrus
I do not understand why the fuck they cannot code somethine which does not give an option you have EQUIPED !
uncut notch
The vault sucks as a loot mechanism - Even if they let you pick a slot you wanted an upgrade for, like you stand at the vault and say "new gloves please" theres no guarantee it would actually be better or BIS, and even if they did let you pick slots, it would still be 16 weeks before you hit the m+ ilvl cap, which is pretty reasonable really.
blazing condor
i mean the vault is way better now than what the weekly chest used to be
uncut notch
i mean the vault is way better now than what the weekly chest used to be
Agreed
Still needs work tho
blazing condor
doesnt mean its perfect tho ofc ofc
uncut notch
I made my warrior in aug i think, hit 249 in november, and stayed there till S3 because i just never got an upgrade for the vault, i got the same slots and pieces over and over and over again
blazing condor
ez
uncut notch
Also kind of why if you see a bis trinket or ring i'd recommend that over a tier piece in the vault
Odds are you'll never see that trink at 278 again
But in a few weeks getting tier in the vault is going to be annoying
blazing condor
yup
good m+ items like trinkets and stuff you'll also get a higher ilvl on in vault
than otherwise possible
west walrus
Personal loot in kinda shitty too
blazing condor
i dont mind it
i feel like it has its issues for sure but that in the grand scheme of things its way better for the average player and the game in general
if you're a top player its annoying sure but thats such a small % of the playerbase
it removes a lot of drama / obstacles for your average player
west walrus
Top players have workaround
I'm not a top player, and feel it really worst than with master loot
Because some people can have the chance to loot more, and you sit aside with nothing. ML gives a chance to balance loot among the group.
blazing condor
i feel like the problem rather lies in the "not being able to trade if you don't have same ilvl or better"
uncut notch
i feel like the problem rather lies in the "not being able to trade if you don't...
I’m STILL bitter about that BDK looting devouring cold and being unable to trade it despite not even needing 1h
He collected the appearance and vendored it
blazing condor
fair
median tulip
Also kind of why if you see a bis trinket or ring i'd recommend that over a tier...
Same way you should almost never take items that come from the first half of the raid; you will always end up with them from boss kills
median tulip
i feel like the problem rather lies in the "not being able to trade if you don't...
The whole "same ilvl or better" was a solution to guilds funneling gear
blazing condor
yeah and now they have to slave splits and go millions in debt for boes instead
its still a problem but difference is that it bleeds out over everyone
median tulip
It's definitely imperfect
west walrus
i feel like the problem rather lies in the "not being able to trade if you don't...
If a hunter wants a bow, only them or another hunter can loot, which makes it harder to get
Same for tank trinkets or whatever specific
In the end, with split raids, top guilds have more room to get the gear they want, while lower players struggle
median tulip
top guilds will cheese any system you put in front of them, no matter what it is
west walrus
👆
uncut notch
top guilds will cheese any system you put in front of them, no matter what it is
But doesnt that help our case
Stop punishing the 98th percentile because the top 2% can cheese it?
sweet summit
not even 2%
uncut notch
not even 2%
Yeah I remember reading that KSM puts you in the top 10% of all players on r.io
So mythic raiding must be absolutely non existent
uncut notch
Yeah I remember reading that KSM puts you in the top 10% of all players on r.io
This isn’t even 10% of all players, it’s 10% of all players that have a score
uncut notch
not sure how accurate that is
Well yeah but the statistic skews toward the negative so it’s immaterial really
west walrus
Alts count in the rating cut-off
uncut notch
Anecdotally 10% tracks with my guild in S2
but obvs my guild isnt representative of the world, and is also reasonably casual
median tulip
Stop punishing the 98th percentile because the top 2% can cheese it?
That was kinda the point I was going for, yes
lyric geode
lyric glen
I get confused when I read on different forums about the Unity legendary, one place says waist, another ring, and third head. But where have you guys put it? I have made reprisal ilvl 291 for boots, (eventho the legs reprisal 262 got much higher stats, using it until I get tier, (whenever that happends) But I sit here thinking where would we benefit the most for the unity? Ring gives just alot of raw stats tbh its nice but yeah (I also have a headpiece with the Seismic Reveberation, which I would reccommend all warrior tanks for m+ to use on tyrannical weeks. omg the damage we do, together with Best served cold talent) tho I need to put that somewhere else if I get ANY tier piece in that sloot, anytime near soon)
lyric geode
Poggers my first tier
@lyric glen I believe, ring is a bad spot, because you don't get any strength.
lofty widget
I get confused when I read on different forums about the Unity legendary, one ...
belt is fine to start, can put it on helmet once you have 4x278 tier pieces on the other slots
lyric geode
@lofty widget i would prefer shoulders as there is no haste/versa from m+ or raid.
median tulip
I get confused when I read on different forums about the Unity legendary, one ...
You will see a lot of people say Head based on a reading of the gear list that presupposes that you can put Mythic Jailer on farm; it's still a good spot for it, but overall you should simply prioritise getting the 4pc set bonus first, even if that means using a head tier piece. As a result, most people go with Waist as it doesn't conflict with tier while you are still gatering pieces
The reason that the Head is the "absolute-BiS-jailer-on-farm" slot of choice is that it's one of the three slots with the highest stat budget and it's the only tier piece that you can't get at 285 in the long run
lyric glen
You will see a lot of people say Head based on a reading of the gear list that p...
I do prio to get 4 pieces.. tho the tier pieces decides not to find me:P I guess I have to make my tiers tho I have the amazing luck of getting the horrible trinket "pulsating stonehart" in my vault every week:P No legs nor chest no head pieces to even make legos with stupid system:P so far in the vault its been that silly trinket, and waists and boots.
median tulip
You have my sympathies
lyric glen
and yeah jailer on mythic will most likely not see until expanion 12.3 😛
median tulip
and yeah jailer on mythic will most likely not see until expanion 12.3 😛
Yup. Like me, and like the vast majority of people, put Unity on belt for now and don't worry overmuch about the theoretical
lyric glen
But back to the waist, so unity on belt would be a togo to item? would it be better than ring? (I mean if I dont make it on head later on)
oki will do:) Thankies
median tulip
You'd avoid ring because Rings don't give Primary Stat
lyric glen
yeah my thoughts too. ofc the headpiece would be bis, but yeah we will see about that.
lyric geode
Also, 1 thing folks. Is tazavesh streets mobs hit that much or I am noob?
median tulip
The 3 big dudes around the lift up to the last boss are a bit nasty
frigid vault
Tazavesh street has some nasty trash if they are not handled. Interrupt any spell with bolt in the name and keep shield block up and you should be fine.
median tulip
and if you do the left route you need everyone to hug close to prevent the cats from leaping
lyric geode
I do the right because I use wo for the trade.
median tulip
The trading game is trivial with the weakaura
lyric geode
I do faster.
sweet summit
wo is real hack
lyric glen
Also, 1 thing folks. Is tazavesh streets mobs hit that much or I am noob?
Horrible streets of terrors.. (not wonders) 😛 Those Wiseguys are stupid overtuned
frigid vault
Anyone tried some high-ish keys with the new buffs? Feel any different?
uncut notch
Horrible streets of terrors.. (not wonders) 😛 Those Wiseguys are stupid overtun...
The hyperlight bolt was hitting me for 50k in an 18 the other day, and it gets like chain cast
Aaaaand in gambit the pirates too holy fuck
brackish bolt is genuinely fucked
I dread to think how classes that arent good with physical damage deal with haymaker and enrage
frigid vault
If it ain't soothed I run.
blazing condor
definitely wrong place to ask but out of curiosity how much CPM should a ww monk have ish?
strong forum
Atleast 7
blazing condor
seems about rihgt
sweet summit
less than 100
dawn canyon
Isnt monk on set gcd
sweet summit
most abilities yes
blazing condor
their spinning crane kick / FoF and stuff are channeled
but i feel like they should have high cpm
but monks i run with have like 30-40
so i'm curious if theyre inting or nah
sweet summit
monks have downtime i think
hardy flare
1 question for m+ talents ... in logs and everywhere people play best served cold and heavy Repercussions but wowhead guide says boominb voice and anger management with double leggo and 4 piece
so what should i go with?
frigid vault
Do you have 4pc?
hardy flare
yeah
lofty widget
you definitely run AM, i prefer bsc over booming tho
blazing condor
people run HR because they need the extra block% to live the highest of keys
unless you do those you dont need to run HR
with 4p you wanna prioritise spending as much rage as possible for your tier set
uncut notch
1 question for m+ talents ... in logs and everywhere people play best served col...
Anger mgmt with 4 piece, heavy repercussions with no 4 pc
lofty widget
i think @sweet summit played around with both he might be able to answer that better
uncut notch
you definitely run AM, i prefer bsc over booming tho
Does it sim higher? Flat 20% damage taken across EVERYTHING seems more powerful than a 20% empowerment of (admittedly) your biggest dps ability.
Also while we're theory crafting - can i Demo shout to help my friends? Lets say my offtank is getting worked, if i demo shout does he get the benefit or is it only damage done to me?
lofty widget
the tooltip says "on you"
blazing condor
its only to you
uncut notch
but the buff says 20% damage done reduction, which was my reason for asking
blazing condor
yeah its messy
strong forum
It's conflicting the pvp talent with the regular spell I think
Or there's 2 ranks to Demo shout
Morale killer - pvp talent makes it so it reduces dmg they deal to anyone, not just to you
uncut notch
ah there it is
so the pvp version is flat reduction of damage done
pve version is damage taken
limber sky
4 week with full 15+ farm raid n and H still 1 tair pcs wut!!!!
jagged pier
empty path
4 week with full 15+ farm raid n and H still 1 tair pcs wut!!!!
just wait two more weeks to get your pcs from ZM 😄
vocal geode
green laurel
Hi again all, reprisal warrior legendary. Abit out the loop with the torghast changes. What layer/floor part of torghast do I need to run now to get this? Can't work out if it's just a level 4 of upper or I can run the gauntlet run
sick sentinel
you can buy all legendary recipes in zerath mortas now 🙂
uncut notch
Did a quick DOS 15, a dungeon ive always hated
honestly it was an erotic experience
Buffs are great, 20s spell reflect is the best thing since sliced bread
tropic linden
got my all my tier pieces from vault
2 consecutive weeks
but now need to recraft reprisal 
kevin's oozling is extended by Glory?
lofty widget
nop
tropic linden
The tooltip says it last for 20sec but he's staying with me for more than 40sec
uncut notch
Tanking this week be like
blazing condor
This week in theory: ^
blazing condor
This week in practice: ”your application to ”15” has been declined”
tropic linden
Are u sure kevin isn't extended by Glory?
chrome falcon
um
well
if we consider that kevin lasts 40 seconds
and you just linked a log of kevin lasting, 40 seconds
yep.
kevin used to be extended by glory but that shit got fixed real quick
blazing condor
Justice for kevin
vapid sluice
guys what do u think about [Codex of the First Technique
raven hatch
how many stacks of necrotic should i be jumping out on?
median tulip
how many stacks of necrotic should i be jumping out on?
depends how close to dead stuff is tbh
blazing condor
guys what do u think about [Codex of the First Technique
a bit on it in the pins here but its a great defensive trinket
iron ravine
how many stacks of necrotic should i be jumping out on?
If you wanna play safe i guess like 30 ish? Depens heavily on situation, sometimes its ok to keep tanking if you know shit will die fast
blazing condor
how many stacks of necrotic should i be jumping out on?
100% feely - what you think you can live, how long left on the pack, etc etc etc
i was up at 75 stacks today in my NW i did cus i forgot the affix and that was fine
with phial you can just drink and cleanse and with Kleia you get immunity too
iron ravine
Always forget that on my first necrotic m+ of the week too
Does anyone know the best slot to put Unity? I main prot but i still want a leggo spot for fury and arms left
blazing condor
Does anyone know the best slot to put Unity? I main prot but i still want a legg...
belt until you got all tier pieces then helm iirc
iron ravine
Wont it intervere with enduring blow for arms tho? That can only be put on belt or head
blazing condor
oh oop didnt read ur message correctly
yeah idk about that
helm in that case id imagine
sweet summit
wrist, or head if you have 5 pc
blazing condor
how will the tier crafting system work?
distant crystal
take piece that's not tier, convert it to tier for that slot, with a 1 day cd
if it's not a tier slot it turns into the matching mog piece for that slot from raid
blazing condor
costs?
forest fjord
1 day cd only? and cost remains flux?
distant crystal
oh wait, it's 1 week cd at first
then eventually gets down to 1 day
idk bout cost, prob cheap flux, seems like the cd is to be the bottleneck
median tulip
Regarding the Tier-Crafting-Catchup thing; it's probably worth remembering that you can get a Head, Shoulder, Hands and Chest from 4 of the earliest Raid bosses; these will be prime candidates for turning into Tier IMO
oh wait no. Legs, not hands
blazing condor
you can only convert pieces that are non-tier slots originally?
distant crystal
if they're not tier slot, you get a raid offpiece
blazing condor
i may be stupid
distant crystal
the catalyst system might be stupid :p
forest fjord
But why would you do that, to roll the stats?
distant crystal
or to complete the mog
sand drum
can pick hands for 2set (will still clear LFR-> HC so chance to get set or wep 🤔
uncut notch
Guy in my guild got his 4 piece set bonus... in one vault...
plain iron
The glory legendary effect don't increase the duration of Conqueror's Banner on raid member? At least that what I see in my logs. (sorry if this is a well know effect)
lofty widget
no it doesnt sadly, would be OP if it did
plain iron
I mean, they could have give the only C tier tank according to wowhead something to boost his raid... (half joking)
tropic linden
if we consider that kevin lasts 40 seconds
Oh, the tooltip on wowlogs show that it last for 20sec
my bad
chrome falcon
Kevin’s duration scales with your cov ability CD
Wouldn’t be very balanced if it lasted 40 seconds for people who’s cov ability CD was less than a minute
lofty widget
are warriors damage really that low in raid compared to other tanks?
jagged pier
no
sturdy sable
are warriors damage really that low in raid compared to other tanks?
We arnt high end but we arnt bottom barrel either
chrome falcon
hahaha holy shit the offensive mode of the shield does 23 damage to melee attackers
did they forget to add a 0 to that
chrome falcon
yeah
sturdy sable
Massive
Imagine the tens of damage itle do for you in keys
And the thousands of damage youll take with the less block
chrome falcon
@jagged pier you have this dumb shield too right? do you even put the defensive active on your bars in case of emergency? because man this offensive mode is BAD
median tulip
The point of the offensive mode is the single-target nuke, not the passive
chrome falcon
yeah and that's still dogshit
median tulip
bring back shield spikes /s
vernal vale
Well, I ran LFR last night. Finally got a piece of tier. If I get another tonight I can drop huge amounts of ilvl for bonus but it will still feel good to have 2p
balmy coral
What's this I hear that Prot is now S+++ and every other tank is ranked in the D category?
vernal vale
I too would like shield spikes back. The damage was minimal but it still added up.
median tulip
The days when belt buckles for sockets were player crafted as well... bring those back
chrome falcon
shield spikes was great back when aoe threat was like a problem
median tulip
shield spikes was great back when aoe threat was like a problem
just use a mouseover Sunder Armour macro :P
balmy coral
I've been hearing all the other tanks were benched this week in favor of 2 Necro prot warriors for mythic prog.
Should I bring my prot boi off the bench?
vernal vale
Prot remains fun.
sturdy sable
Might ruin your wrist with 4p tho
sick sentinel
in M+ should we be pressing shield wall on CD or holding it for big packs? I find i'm actually holding it way too often I think (probably only 2-3 usages in the dung) i'm sure the answer is somewhere in between where i'm not using it on small packs where its not needed but otherwise use it fairly liberally if the pack is big enough?
and is it more useful at the start of the pack rather than as an o shit button when you start dropping health?
balmy coral
Also side note, I was talking a key and a fury Warrior had charge and intervened macroed together and kept blaming me for moving which caused him to intervene me va charge the mobs. Like who TF runs that macro as a DPS? Hell I have them macroed separately even as Prot.
sick sentinel
ya thats what i'm finding
chrome falcon
absolutely please do not use SW on cd
lavish hare
Hello Prots! Where are you crafting second leggo? Ring?
sturdy sable
The cd on it is small enough with proper play that you should have it up when you need it
lofty widget
unless you need it within like 1-2 packs you can safely use it on cd
sick sentinel
last stand is basically our o shit button right?
sturdy sable
Last stand is a dps cd
sturdy sable
With the rage gen conduit
chrome falcon
chimmi is correct
if you want an oh shit button go play bdk or paladin
that ain't us
lavish hare
I use last stand for dps input yes, not for saving life, but to increase rage
sick sentinel
yeah just learning the prot playstyle, played a little bit of brew and that was alot different since you don't proactively press many buttons - just stagger everything off
I feel like once I get the hang of prot it will be alot of fun, already enjoying it alot its obviously just alot more punishing than other tanks as like you say everything needs to be proactive
comfortably doing 15's atm just getting used to the rotation and trying to keep shield block up with charge and intervene
chrome falcon
you just need to know what is scary and SW that because obviously if you're already 40% hp SW isn't giving you much effective hp
sick sentinel
yeah i'm mostly using SW on bosses on the tank mechanics atm
chrome falcon
which is just practice/instinct, you can be pretty liberal with it because of how low the CD is these days but just ripping it on CD is a bit much
sick sentinel
need to learn when to use on particular packs but that will come with practice
chrome falcon
yup you got it
sturdy sable
which is just practice/instinct, you can be pretty liberal with it because of ho...
Yes it was an overstatement because using ut more often is better then holding it and never using it. I assumed hed learn from playing the flass more hence my rip it on cd
sick sentinel
yeah I mean there are obvious packs where pressing it is dumb but I guess if I use it on CD if I don't have it up and notice that I need it it would be useful to know in the future that I should ensure I have it up for that pack
lavish hare
It’s been pretty safe lately, dunno if the gear starts to be badass or what. With mykanikos’s Bron, Scale, Protoforged trink, reprisal, SB, IP, SW… I mean, iTS BADASS
I just go M+ btw
sick sentinel
also don't have tank trinkets which is slightly cucking me - scale would be super nice ahahaa
and keen to try out necro since i've heard thats a bit tankier but also heard it requires a bit more skill in keys so going to try learn basics then jump to necro and see how it goes
all I know is fleshcraft is a good button ahahaa
lavish hare
Scale is Number 1. I would use another DPS one like phial or decanter, but I love the protoforge cause its another absorb shield every minute or so
And DMG is already decent, so I go defensive on trinks
sick sentinel
yeah I just need scale - have decanter already
lavish hare
Tankier is Kyrian. Necro is to buff party
cinder dirge
in M+ should we be pressing shield wall on CD or holding it for big packs? I fin...
Depends of what covenant you're playing tbh.
Shield wall CD is bigger in kyrian/nf than necrolords due to banner uptime.
I like to use it a lot at the beginning of dangerous packs with urh in it like in DoS.. Ardenweald etc. Shield wall CD comes back faster than you think. And for the "oh sh*t button" if your kyrian or NF you're fkd. If you're necro you still got fleshcraft + last stand.
chrome falcon
No
NL is tankier
MUCH tankier
Necro is not to buff party, the party buff is very minor compared to what you do for yourself
sick sentinel
only problem is other trinket is power crystal which is a bit troll as prot ahaha
waxen orbit
You’re near invincible with banner up if you’re playing properly in the current key registers
sick sentinel
necro is all about spending rage right?
cinder dirge
Necrolord banner is not for party.
Necrolord banner = 22%strength as long as you have it +400 mastery.
waxen orbit
necro is all about spending rage right?
Spot on
sick sentinel
like during banner, to keep its up time
waxen orbit
Yep
sick sentinel
definitely looks fun but waiting for 4 set to try it out tbh
or is it still decent with 2 set?
lavish hare
Where are u crafting second leggo?
I got legs for reprisal, should I put second on ring?
Already got gloves for set
chrome falcon
You can play necro with just 2 legendaries
sick sentinel
ah ok - i'll start lvling my renown on it and give it a crack!
this week is good tank practice week because i'm learning to kite necrotic so next week should feel much easier LOL
anyways ty for all your help everyone! regardless of how i'm tanking having alot of fun playing prot which is the main thing!
lavish hare
Spear, TC and Shockwave, interveane, leap, charge… abuse your mobility and you will do great kiting
Prot is fun as hell
uncut notch
Do any of you have any clever weakauras for necrotic? I have one that counts stacks but its visual only and would like some sort of ping at like, every ten stacks or something idk
Tyr necrotic is a joke tho
big big push week for protwar
mental scarab
Necrotic is kinda mhe for us, good when you dont so much healing Huhu
uncut notch
wonder if it gives BDK grief
patent osprey
When your class doesn't rely on self it is great ^.^
uncut notch
Limited mobility and based entirely around self heal
patent osprey
But we also have like no slow, so kinda sad unless ur running with a frost mage
uncut notch
When your class doesn't rely on self it is great ^.^
oh shit its the real1
Love ur stream ❤️
uncut notch
Yeaaaaaaah but there are 400 million fury warriors queuing for every key so piercing howl etc is easy to come by
I also use the leap talent, very handy
west walrus
When do you stream again Plka ? :(
patent osprey
Yeaaaaaaah but there are 400 million fury warriors queuing for every key so pier...
400 million fury warriors, only 200 that use piercing
XD
west walrus
I miss you
patent osprey
When do you stream again Plka ? :(
im kinda depressed I don't have 4 set on warrior 😦
uncut notch
400 million fury warriors, only 200 that use piercing
I have a mouse button macro that calls for it haha
west walrus
Imagine, got hands in the raid, then twice in the vault, and nothing else
uncut notch
Join us no tier andies 😠
patent osprey
both my brew and pala are like 270 now with all heroic/mythic tier
its kinda nice
where my poor warrior is 3 set normal
XD
uncut notch
Also something you said on your stream the other day
About Last stand playing well with fleshcraft
Rally gets reset on key start right?
So could you rally and fleshcraft to get the same effect when starting a new key?
uncut notch
Sick, that will be a big help in DoS or something where the big opener fucks me up
Though the 15 I did today was so smooth
Buffs feel nice
patent osprey
So could you rally and fleshcraft to get the same effect when starting a new key...
yup you are right ^.^
I did a 25 DOS on my warrior during inspiring fort
uncut notch
+ Last Stand
Last stand gets reset?!
This has potential
100k absorbs lets goooooooo
patent osprey
we ccd the inspired mob but the hunter didn't kick the shadowcore. It hit me for 74k and i died
KEK
west walrus
It's a cooldown > 2 minutes
patent osprey
Laststand does reset yes
unless ur playing bolster? then maybe it doesnt
i forget
chrome falcon
yeah you can get an 80k fleshcraft
it's really hot in DoS where the first pull is one of the hardest in the key
west walrus
It's should reset with bolster, but who plays bolster in keys
meager locust
2nd pull dos is the scariest pull in the game some weeks with big pull first SD
uncut notch
It's should reset with bolster, but who plays bolster in keys <:ratge:8903577325...
I had a go with it a few times and enjoyed it, its fun but not especially powerful
uncut notch
2nd pull dos is the scariest pull in the game some weeks with big pull first SD
I hate hate hate the triple opener in SD
meager locust
Agreed
patent osprey
Problem with DOS for prot war
patent osprey
is u need like every CD for each pull in the inner ring
But if you do them back to back
meager locust
Yeah
patent osprey
its spooky LOL
meager locust
Back to back inner ring is scary af
uncut notch
But if you do them back to back
yeah! Oh great we're gonna hero pull two thats fantastic
No shield wall, last stand or rally
Strap in boys!
patent osprey
im hoping 4 set
meager locust
I shudder fortified week dos or insipired