protection

[urban portal]

I don't think that sounds very good

This is a dos 21

It would be 46 hps in ergas mist 22 that he did right after

A 252 rdm in comparison would heal around double that

Obviously it gets better the higher you go

Logs support my statement as a similar tank in a dos with 262 codex that took more melee damage than erga healed for 40% less from his codex

Than a 252 rdm

[burnt flame]

Hi guys

Sorry for the noob question, our guild warrior tank is having trouble surviving and wanted to share logs here to see what we can do to improve

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VMb8gQBZ61L7dfvR/#type=summary&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1&source=32

[jaunty otter]

I'm just now starting to overcome my tanxiety and try pushing keys. should i go straight for the rank 7 reprisal or go 6 for now until prices drop?

[jagged pier]

do u want a short answer or a long answer?

[burnt flame]

It's that bad

Short is good

to respect time

[jagged pier]

low blocked hits, so miss useage of SB, on skolex he melees all the time including the off tank
he wastes about 25% of the rage he generates
and he doesnt generate nerarly enough as hes not pressing his buttons, for instance his SS casts should be around 17 casts per minute (CPM) but his is 10 so its mssing 7 casts a min which is a tone of rage over a fight but its the same for like all his spell there should just be more of everything

[median tulip]

He used Shield Block ONCE in an 8 minutes fight on Guardian?

[tawdry dirge]

but SW 5 times

maybe he mixes it up

🙂 na jokes aside

[jagged pier]

no hes running the wall, probably doesnt understand the base calls at all from the look at logs

[median tulip]

poor talent choices; it looks like he is trying to play a Thunderclap spam build build that hasn't worked since the end of BfA

[tawdry dirge]

aye,...

[stray gazelle]

Needs to read 1 guide

[jagged pier]

no hes not

[stray gazelle]

And he’s golden

[tawdry dirge]

also odd to use pelagos

[median tulip]

Isn't using Spear of Bastion anything like enough, which is another Rage-loss

Low Haste as well; which admittedly may simply be a loot availability/itemisation issue, but he could very much stand to crop some crit for Haste

[median tulip]

I don't know what he's doing with that Talent/Legendary setup TBH; nothing good tho

[jagged pier]

right okay hes playing the normal talents

if your going to give advice please actually look at what ppl are running instead of just saying some shit

[median tulip]

He's got booming voice and crackling thunder

[tawdry dirge]

talent and lego is fine

[jagged pier]

yes u run BV in raid

[urban portal]

Booming voice is mwta

[tawdry dirge]

crackling thunder isnt bad on trash bosses

[jagged pier]

and u can run CT if u want

[urban portal]

Cracking thunder is fine

Nothing on that row does anything

Bounding stride better sure

[tawdry dirge]

well qulity time they do 😄

u probly mix up CT and UF

[median tulip]

3112231 fo lief

[urban portal]

Ik

Crackling thunder is on a util row

Who cares if he's running it

[tawdry dirge]

3112231 is more a m+ setup

[median tulip]

anyway, leaving talents aside; low haste, low ilvl conduits, low use of Rage generation, almost no use of Shield Block, low ilvl Shield are all issues

[tawdry dirge]

well i wouldnt call that almost no use on SB i would rather call it NO USE 😄

1 cast on a full encounter is nothing

[median tulip]

and only 3 Ignore Pain casts too

Lots of REVENJ

Replace his Revenj buttan with a shield block macro and he'll be fine

xD

[stuck rock]

seems like people are going necro for high keys is it a lot better than kyrian or you arent missing out on much if you go kyrian?

[median tulip]

You are probably seeing the effect of a lot of high-key pushers being in static teams that are playing around the Mastery buff for their DPS; It 100% definitely works, but it relies on more co-ordination than your average PUG can manifest

[tame jasper]

And with next id many will be kyrian as of kleia 😂

[tawdry dirge]

why

necro week?

[tame jasper]

According to mythicpl.us spiteful+necrotic

[tawdry dirge]

ahh fair well is stay mika

[jagged pier]

with 2 pc necro is a very viable pick in keys sure u dont get 100% uptime on banner but u get alot of it and it easier to play compared tro kyrian and NF with 2 and 4 pc because alot of the rage isnt front loads but come in slowly with banner make it slightly easier to manage your outburst stacks

[stuck rock]

Thanks for the answers

Necro is easier than kyrian to play? Isnt managing banner uptime and optimizing rage a lot harder?

I didnt want to touch necro bc it seems a lot harder than the fire and forget kyr and nf

[limpid lion]

Just dump into ip or execute if ur close to capping

[median tulip]

Personally I dislike Necro's drip-drip-drip of Rage. I prefer that big chunky Rage hit from Spear

But that's entirely a personal viewpoint

[tawdry dirge]

i only go necro for the buffs in PF and ToP,... since we dont have any other

[raven hatch]

I feel like Necro this week was the only viable option for DOS keys... the inspiring packs are super mean, and in some pulls I was healing 12k hps with my healer doing the same and I was still nearly dying xD (only on +18s too)

[ionic fern]

I wouldn't say it's easier - harder to optimise fully if you're running Glory to maximise the banner up-time. Kyrian/NF are, as you said, shoot and forget. Just pay attention to when using Spear/AA near a Outburst proc so you don't overcap rage.

[scenic mural]

Paying for rank 6 first would just end up costing you more in the long run.

[median tulip]

DOS has some truly brutal pulls on any Fort week. This seasonal affix actually makes it worse

[ionic fern]

Necrolord is fun to me because of the mini-game that the banner management provides.

And the fast gameplay in general.

[median tulip]

Which is fair; if that's what you enjoy, more power to you. My personal preference is more towards abusing Spear's tether effect and playing around Reprisal's advantages from that

[stuck rock]

im thinking about it and it must feel bad if you have to wait for the healer to drink or a patrol going away before pulling and losing banner

[jagged pier]

healers have urh for mana

[median tulip]

I'm a "Combat means movement" kinda guy. Which is probably why I value Bounding Stride so highly as well

[ionic fern]

Well, it's something that you can play around and it shouldn't be a issue once you have more experience.

[ionic fern]

I don't think i've ever used spear for the Tether.

Oh, no..wait..i use it for the tether on PF first boss for the mini adds when needed.

[median tulip]

I do it all the time; anything that can't get to me isn't doing any damage

[ionic fern]

Anything i can't get to is stopping me from doing damage.

[stuck rock]

last question, which covenant is doing more damage? or are they all similar?

well except venthyr

[median tulip]

I'm usually murdering a caster that isn't speared TBH

[median tulip]

I think in theory Night Fae does the most damage

[stuck rock]

But in a realistic scenario which is the most consistent for big overalls in keys?

[median tulip]

Personal damage only? K or NF

[mighty valley]

they're all really close (except venthyr), it's possible necro is pulling ahead with 4p

honestly play what you want at this point

[median tulip]

Necro probably is ahead once you factor in a well played team playing around the Banner

[mighty valley]

the team also has to be good with you chain pulling to keep your banner flowing

[stuck rock]

Pretty cool you have that option

[median tulip]

As long as you're not Venthyr, everything is fine

[stuck rock]

thanks for the answers again, ill probably stick with kyrian for now considering i only have 1 tier piece

[orchid frigate]

welcome to 1p gang

[ionic fern]

So..instead of AoE'ing every enemy down you are just ST'ing onE?

👀

[median tulip]

Going to, threat build, interrupt and then counter charge back to the back as the spear releases, to proc Reprisal

[uncut notch]

It’s been pretty handy this week separating inspiring mobs, but other than that yeah only really splitting the PF boss from the slime

[steel mist]

Hey guys ,if I have 252 tier pieces but I got higher ilvl non tier pieces, whom should I equip ?

[blazing condor]

depends if you get tier bonus or not

[median tulip]

Tier

[blazing condor]

but almost always go for tier

if it's 1p or 3p you might as well have the higher ilvl one and then keep it in the bag

until you get 2p or 4p

[median tulip]

Yeah; if you have an odd number of tier pieces then resting one in order to wear a higher ilvl is obviously fine. But tier bonuses are priority one.

[uncut notch]

The exception to this would be the vault - if you get 278 BIS trinkets or Rings I would always advise you to pick those over tier, in two weeks we're going to be drowning in tier gear, but you may never see that Ticking Sack/Phial/Scale again

I imagine in a very short amount of time its going to be irritating getting tier gear in the vault.

[lime urchin]

not even in Spires 😮

[ionic fern]

For what?

The tether is like an additional plus.
I don't think "Ok, i will cast Spear now FOR the tether."
I think "HURRDURR SPEAR DPS GO BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" and tether is just there.

[shell shale]

Did an rbg as prot last night. Hit a 52k shield slam on a dh. He proceeded to msg me. " Alright then have a good day " was base sitting eye of the storm

[ionic fern]

Reasonable.

[lime urchin]

I see what you mean

[shell shale]

Filled out my vault so I get to open 4 piece tomorrow!

[indigo bramble]

People tell me not to use my jump to go clean the little motes on Lihuvim HM when I have the bomb. And I'm too afraid to ask why 😒

[uncut notch]

You cant jump over a mote, so you'll detonate ones you path through.

[indigo bramble]

But if I jump to the closest one, not passing through any other, is that fine?

[uncut notch]

Sure, i leap to the outside and walk in

should be fine

Not sure why they would have an issue with that

[indigo bramble]

Ok so they just told me not to do that on principle, because I always jumped to an edge. I thought maybe I was damaging them while jumping over the group but I didn't actually think so

or maybe I fucked up and just didn't see a mote, that's also possible I guess

[trim bay]

do u need a 2H to pass it to someone? or does a main hand and shield count?stupid question

[median tulip]

Not quite sure what you mean here, but in terms of loot passing having had an item in the relevant slot counts. So if you have had a 262 2-hander in your off-hand as Fury, then you can pass 262 Shields (and vice-versa).

[uncut notch]

speaking of - this system fucking sucks. Blood DK friend of mine looted the devouring cold from hc KT, couldnt trade it to me as it was a 3-5 ilvl upgrade, despite being literally useless to him

Meanwhile id farmed the shit out of KT and never got a drop

Ended up buying the gladiator version instead

Also that leads me to another point - If our stat priority is Haste Verse - is PVP gear not a more reliable and arguably "better" way to gear up for high mythics

All i seem to get from dungies is haste mastery - I have so much mastery its not even funny.

[median tulip]

I honestly have no idea about PvP, so I could not tell you

[silk pine]

@uncut notch u can watch on wowhead with tazavesh we have a really good neck and finger to use

[blazing condor]

no cus pvp gear scales down outside of pvp

and since you only care to get as much ilvl = main stat as possible then you don't settle for lower ilvl

just because it gives you a bit more haste/vers

[uncut notch]

hmm, i noticed a lot of the RWF guys were using pvp weapons and stuff

But I imagine that was because it allowed them to plug specific gaps with vendor options

Run 10,000 DOS in the hope of getting the 2h sword vs just doing 10 arenas

[blazing condor]

yeah im obviously not gonna talk for rwf people on how they gear cus they probably know what they're doing - most get the pvp trinkets at least and probably fill gaps in where they can

i can imagine they focused even more on PVP this raid considering you could get tier sets in pvp-vault as well

so maybe it was just a by-product of filling the vault

[west walrus]

Another day, another love sign :)

[blazing condor]

ez

tell them you were hacking

[west walrus]

Yeah, I am a druid hidden behind a shield 👀

[lyric geode]

We are here, because we expected the gdruid nerfs.

We are very pleased by it

[west walrus]

I cannot wait for the 20s spell reflection

[long roost]

and then you do a key as dps with guardian druid as tank and it makes you wanna cry seeing what he is capable of

[west walrus]

Why would I do a key as dps, when I can play the best spec ? :O

[blazing condor]

whats the difference

most of the times you pump as hard or harder than the other dps

[west walrus]

Isn't prot a dps with a shield ?

[dusky sentinel]

That druid u who drank a beer while tanking shittons of mobs and pressing one button kinda annoyed me. But meh. In the end. U wanna have fun playing right.

[blazing condor]

yep

so dont play bear

[dusky sentinel]

#facts

[tribal monolith]

32% haste is too much or it's fine?

[toxic kelp]

More haste more shield block

And even more apm

[tribal monolith]

ty 😄

[toxic kelp]

But in the end usually chase ilvl

[teal swift]

https://open.spotify.com/album/5sLq1UswvFh3E4hta8LnmM?si=8zWMkiMJTYGV2YDmKGN7ew&utm_source=copy-link

Music for my boys

enjoy

[uncut notch]

Whilst also only having to press 3 buttons

[spice mortar]

Is Heart of the Swarm viable for prot at all? Looks memey

[uncut notch]

I often find with gdruid tho the tanks are limited by their bravery - a few of them in my guild are too scared to do the insane pulls required to actually take advantage of the lego - its singles and dubs the whole way round.

Found myself in a key with a 2900 rated Gdruid last season and he did Ardenweald in two pulls - blew my mind.

[ionic fern]

But.

That's pretty much what we did.

👀

[uncut notch]

Really? I usually do it in 3 or 4

The quad opener, then patrol and surrounding stuff into the jar

then all the way down the hill to the boss in 3 or 4 depending on CD's

I'd be pretty impressed if you were doing ardenweald in 2 as a prot warrior on a progression key

[jagged pier]

Nome literally has footage of it from season 1 🤔

[strong forum]

So he did the entire 27+ mobs or w/e you need to do into the urn immediately, and then ran the entire way down the hill into boss?

[uncut notch]

Good job i didnt call him a liar then isnt it? I just said id be impressed

[strong forum]

He (the guardian) did those 50% count in 2 pulls?

Are you sure

Cuz that's bigger than mdi

[uncut notch]

it was only a 15 or so at the time i think - but the route was essentially everything down to the jar

Then everything down to the boss

but the patrol came in a little later so it wasnt 100% uptime

[strong forum]

In s2 you couldn't do those pulls cuz of the lieutenant so it was in 3 pulls back then

But it's pretty much standard practise to pull like 5 groups at a time in ardenweald

Same as you couldn't do that in S1 cuz prideful spawns

[uncut notch]

I asked him for his route - let me see if i can find it and SS

[strong forum]

S3 is still pretty fresh so I guess people aren't ballsy enough yet to do dumbfuck pulls

Not to mention that not alot of dps get value out of over 20 mob count pulls

[tropic linden]

Hey, i'm having a rlly hard time intervining on skolex. How are u guys doing? Cause i can't intervene my cotank because of the Wormhole jaws and can't intervene a DPS because they can take the jaw

[jagged pier]

U can intervene during retch or just intervene your cotank skolex melees are not the issue

U can also just charge its fine

U dont have to intervene charge is enough

[tropic linden]

But just charge on taunt?

and during retch?

[lofty widget]

you can walk out to charge any time, the range of wormhole jaws is 10 yards, charge is 8

[tropic linden]

But i don't go out of the range of the auto attack?

The AA is 10 yards also?

[lofty widget]

while your co-tank has aggro youre right

[tropic linden]

My problem is SB uptime while i have aggro

cause I charge b4 taunt and intervene the co-tank. But I don't find any window to charge while having aggro

[jagged pier]

Again

The melee range is 10 yards

Charge minium is 8

U also dont have to block everything

As long as u have block up at the important times like when uve got rend on you or when youve just taken a riftmaw

[tropic linden]

Ok, thanks 🙂

and u just walk back while spamming charge to don't pass the 10y?

[jagged pier]

U can but again just plan out Sb more as i said u dont need to have it up 100% of the time there literal points where he casts dust flail retch u can charge back and intervene on the knockback

U can just take unmitigated hits for a little but

Like he melees really slowly

[tropic linden]

Thanks for the tips

[obsidian sand]

Does the Vanguard passive ability, Demoralizing shout & when cast avatar with 4pc set, reduce the magic damage or only physical damage?

[sweet summit]

all damage

[obsidian sand]

so why I hear and read that the prot warrior doesnt have magic reduction like pala for example?

[sweet summit]

copers

[pulsar wedge]

yall playing necro or kryian for prot?

[obsidian sand]

sorry I dont follow you ?

[lofty widget]

both depending on key/level, necro is tankier, kyrian is more dmg overall from my exp

[dawn canyon]

paladin has a talent that gives them immense absorbs so that makes their damage intake for that a lot smoother

[sweet summit]

people need to find an excuse as to why they are dying, so they say random shit
while it's true we struggle more with magic damage and dots than with straight up melee hits, we do still have good mitigation againat that too

[dawn canyon]

imo what makes pala "better" into magic is toll permakicking all the casts

a pwar can live most stuff if its kicked correctly

[crystal iris]

They say that because all tanks have CDs (20% reuced damage, 50% reduced damage). But paladins can actually "block" magic damage, we cant

[dawn canyon]

holy shield terra omega illegal tbh

[obsidian sand]

clear now the picture

[crystal iris]

each tank has a specific block chance that will reduce the damage from the attack by ~30%

[sweet summit]

what

[jagged pier]

Yer lets no forget IP actually reduces magic damage but 55% upto a certain number as well 👍

[sweet summit]

no?

[lofty widget]

only warr and pala blocks

[jagged pier]

Eh?

[strong forum]

By each he means pala and war

[crystal iris]

am i nuts?

ya

[strong forum]

I hope

[crystal iris]

haha

ok not each

[sweet summit]

oh okay that makes more sense

[strong forum]

Either*

[crystal iris]

but thats how it works for warrior and pally no?

[jagged pier]

Duru blocking 🐻

[crystal iris]

im still drinking my coffee

those are the only 2 tanks I play idk!

[silk pine]

Irish coffee?

[crystal iris]

I wish

[west walrus]

Tanks without shield are not tanks

[obsidian sand]

but the others tanks got good self healing not like us

[crystal iris]

I never understood why people say monks have trouble with magic

[lofty widget]

we dont really need self healing as much as the other tanks tho

indom is more than fine in most cases imo

[crystal iris]

isnt is all just the same? they take damage, stagger it and either erase it or heal it?

[strong forum]

Paladin has a chance to block dmg, yes
Pwar can guarantee to block dmg with shield block

Now
Consecration from paladin reduces all dmg they take by X% (15% on average)

They can additionally talent into holy shield which increases their block chance by 15% and allows them to block magic damage

[crystal iris]

Im doing like 3.8k overall HPS in dungeons now with tier

[strong forum]

Erga does like 6k

But that's all mitigation

Not healing

Well Partly healing from indom

[lofty widget]

is that from logs?

[strong forum]

On logs it's ~5k

[west walrus]

Indomitable + victory rush

[strong forum]

But that's not the discussion here

[west walrus]

Not crazy, but can save us

[obsidian sand]

I hope the new buff today or 2mor make us better

[sweet summit]

i need more leech /s

[strong forum]

Now, paladin has several cooldowns, just like pwar that reduce all dmg taken
So we're pretty much equal on that front

[crystal iris]

its interesting though, that our IP will count as healing but a pally preventing damage through consacration / extra armor from SoTR wont show up

[strong forum]

Cuz it's %mitigation

[crystal iris]

athough their absorbs show up too

[strong forum]

Not an absorb

[west walrus]

IP is absorption

[strong forum]

Absorbs show up, %mitigation doesn't, IP is an absorb

[crystal iris]

yes yes I know, I guess it just goes to show its not a good metric to go by?

[strong forum]

Yes hps is not a good metric

For anyone

[west walrus]

Imagine if we could display blocked damage as healing

[crystal iris]

At the end of the run when im not logging, i will usually look at my HPS vs my DTPS

and see how much hell i put the healer through

[west walrus]

We could become the new meta

[jagged pier]

No

[crystal iris]

if its around 2K HPS needed from the healer im usually like eh that wasnt too bad

[silk pine]

I dont think so kuku

[strong forum]

If we got block displayed as healing, all it would do be to nerf block

And we don't want that

[west walrus]

Just making fun of people only reading raw numbers

[crystal iris]

Its my ghetto metric for M+

I take in 6k and heal 4k im chillin

[strong forum]

My ghetto metric for m+ is, did I feel in danger or no

[crystal iris]

a lot of times I do as prot haha

[strong forum]

Or, did my competent healer, complain

If answer is no, I'm gucci

[crystal iris]

but actually since picking it back up yesterday, I did a 15 NW and a 16 PF and felt mostly fine

[crystal iris]

Yeah I usually ask the healer on warrior

[strong forum]

No I don't ask

[jagged pier]

Imagine asking instead of just being told at the end of the run :kekw:

[crystal iris]

on my pally I know how it was, but warrior I can never tell because Im not sure how much is from healer vs how much is indom

well ill ask the pug healers ya

[strong forum]

That's a sign of low confidence

Smh my head

[jagged pier]

Make indom 2% never need a healer again

📈

[crystal iris]

well ya I started playing prot again last night

course I need to build up confidance

the 16 PF helped though

[west walrus]

Make Inspiring presence come back

[strong forum]

Eh

3% leech is meh

[west walrus]

With current numbers?

[strong forum]

3% is 3%

Lol

3% is what, 300 hps?

And thats on a good day

In reality 3% leech is more like 100hps

But indom being 2%, works all the time, not only in aoe, and it would catapult our survivability

[wild hemlock]

nf cause i have that at 80 lmao

[silk pine]

Quick question does it make sense to use brutal Vitalitality now probably?

[west walrus]

No

[crystal iris]

oh the arms talent, 5s out of combat we start healing, wouldnt help all that much but nice QoL

[strong forum]

5s without taking dmg*

So you could utilise it in kiting

But pretty awful

[silk pine]

On paper it Sounds pretty cool 20k dps transformed into 2k brutal vitality

[strong forum]

That's 10%

[lofty widget]

we are overcapping IP like crazy anyway, so the value of brutal vit goes down like crazy

[crystal iris]

20k dps where you getting that from?

[silk pine]

Ignore pain*

[jagged pier]

From playing the class

[silk pine]

Like aoe dps

[crystal iris]

Ya RN I am mashing IP constantly to dump rage

[strong forum]

Brutal vit increases IP size tho, doesn't give you leech

[crystal iris]

we arent all gigachads like you playing SRB in 18s

[jagged pier]

I dont do that

Havent even done an 18

[lofty widget]

SRB?

[crystal iris]

seismic reverb idk if thats the acronym

[west walrus]

It does not increase beyond original cap though

[crystal iris]

well in s2

[jagged pier]

I didnt run it in 18s in s2 ither

🤔

Maybe mists i suppose

[crystal iris]

Idk I remember you posting your DPS last season from a mists 18 with SRB you were at like 11k overall or something

I for sure remember it though because i was like wtf

I think I just need to get used to the pulls on Pwarr, pally you have armor and block chance blocks everything equally

Pwarr ill go into a huge pull expecting to use defensives, but its all physical and ill be taking like no damage

or ill go into a smaller pull with 5 mobs, IP and SB up and be getting chunked and I cant figure out why.

[west walrus]

With logs, someone may help you

[austere latch]

The answer is usually magic damage

It hurts eh?

[radiant magnet]

missed kicks

[jagged pier]

The answer is usually the person doing somthing wrong tbh

[crystal iris]

No like I mean I know after the pull what went wrong i Just need to get used to which pulls need defensives and which dont

magic, poisons, bleeds

[loud kestrel]

Magic damage seems to hurt so much on warrior. Even with IP up

[crystal iris]

well, ya

IP is 55% absorb to magic

[silk pine]

What is execatly the ignore pain cap? How do I calculate this?

[lofty widget]

2x tooltip

[crystal iris]

theres a weak aura in the FAQ section

it shows how much absorb you have

and number is red when its maxed out / using IP again will max it out

[jagged pier]

To all damage

[crystal iris]

no I know i meant to say like

[jagged pier]

Which is why its not great for magic in dungeons because it gets eaten by melees

[crystal iris]

IP will be 55% to magic and thats all you get vs magic

[jagged pier]

I dont know why they didnt get rid of the sb shiekd barrier stuff

[crystal iris]

melees get reduced by armor + block + IP

[jagged pier]

Spell reflect, sw, demo all reduce magic damage

2 of which are on a very short cd

[loud kestrel]

Yeah I wish warrior just had one more small tool to help smooth magic damage

[jagged pier]

Ls unerving focus combo is also huge for magic damage to bad its to good for dps

[crystal iris]

just talking active

[jagged pier]

Well if u arent using your stuff actively whats the point in having them 🤔

[crystal iris]

lol

[lofty widget]

BTW, with SR now being a 20 sec cd does that mean we can spam it with uhr buff?

[crystal iris]

what im saying jake

is that all of those things reduce all damage equally

so all things equal no matter what defensives or CDs you pop

magic hurts more

because its not affected by block or armor

replying to the statement

"magic seems to hurt more"

yes

Using defensives = good

[strong forum]

Well yeah that's the case for every tank

They made it that way from legion to bfa

When they turned all AM into armor instead of %DR

[loud kestrel]

Well paladins can block magic though, which smooths it out

[strong forum]

They still take more dmg from magic than from physical hits.

[west walrus]

Paladin cannot critically block

[loud kestrel]

Also other tanks may also get chunked by magic but they can heal actively. Warrior just has to sit at low health and hope the healer comes through

[strong forum]

That's not the point being argued

[loud kestrel]

Oh yeah. All tanks take more from magic than melees

[strong forum]

Holy shield is also capped at 30%

It'll never reduce magic dmg for more than 30%

And it's still just a %chance to block

It doesn't function like physical block does

Incredibly strong nonetheless yes

Not discrediting that

As its been stated numerous times, the issue isn't magic dmg, the issue is very frequent unblockable dmg intake for us

Which these buffs today/tomorrow are aimed to Adress at

BTW

They're direct ways to deal with that

The flat 5% DR, the 5% IP mitigation increase, the SR CD reduction aswell as Demo DR increase

All ways to have a better standing against frequent unblockable dmg intake

[loud kestrel]

For sure. I think the buffs are well placed and I’m hoping to notice a difference going into this next week

[chrome falcon]

i would not want to tank mythic lod/rygo without those buffs

[strong forum]

It's like a 7-12% increase I'd say

Depending on availability of CDs or use of SR

So pretty strong

[crystal iris]

do you have any examples of painfull pulls with lots of unblockable damage ?

not counting magic damage?

[strong forum]

Magic falls under unblockable

Dots fall under unblockable

[crystal iris]

so like halls dogs

[strong forum]

Halls is the prime example of pwar weaknesses

Dogs, lots of casts, and last boss' dot

[crystal iris]

Does the staby stab dudes in SD count as physical?

[strong forum]

No

Their attack is magic instant nuke

[crystal iris]

lol

its a stab with a sword how the hell

[strong forum]

Emphasis on nuke

[crystal iris]

Ya i dont often double that

same in Halls right? the deadly thrust is magic?

[strong forum]

Physical

[crystal iris]

i suppose i should just look at the excel at this point

[strong forum]

And blockable, but also sidesteppable

So sidestep it

[chrome falcon]

yeah both of those things are dodgable so they hit stupid hard regardless of who yo uare

[strong forum]

You're dumb if you eat that :D

[crystal iris]

Depends on the key level for me

if its a low key and the DPS are monkeys

ill eat it instead of spinning the pack around

[strong forum]

I never eat frontals willingly

https://tenor.com/view/mr-bean-get-out-of-the-way-need-to-go-gif-16107077

Me when playing with unwilling dps

[west walrus]

Reminds me frog's tongue in mists

[distant crystal]

all the survival hunters in SD and halls

learning of a new mechanic that didn't exist when they were MM

gettin' thrusted

[west walrus]

Thrust me, I am a good dps

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-it-like-that-casey-frey-dodge-it-like-this-dodge-it-just-like-this-gif-22008610

Ranged when they play melee for the first time and realise how much shit there is to step out of

[wild hemlock]

me going from ele to enh

world of difference

[median tulip]

It's been hillarious watching Hunters switching to Surv realise they actually have to pay attention now

[wild hemlock]

not gonna lie. melee in m+ is hard

only boss i had issue with was lihuvium heroic the first night lol

STARING AT MY BARS trying to dodge tank buster lmao

[tropic linden]

What's an aproximate % that IP is from ur health?

[strong forum]

In bfa it was ~13%

Useless bit of info

But there

[median tulip]

Fun fact: Sharpening Stones increase your ignore pain

[silk pine]

If we use demo shout should we do this before he applies the dot or afterwards?

The last boss

[tropic linden]

At the end of the dot

the dmg ramps up each second

So u need to save defensives for the last seconds when the dmg is bigger

[median tulip]

Demo Shout lasts for 8 seconds

[deft hinge]

stigma of pride - applies a non-dispellable DoT that ramps up in damage by 30% per tick for 18 seconds

[silk pine]

Ah ok I thought it would probably decrase the value of the dot if we use Demo shout before he use it

[tropic linden]

But don't use SR for it, it deflect the beams

[median tulip]

The Ritual of Woe is, I think, 13 seconds duration?

[lofty widget]

SR only deflects one tick of the beams

rather use it for the boss dot

[tropic linden]

Are u sure? though it deflected for the entire 5 sec

[deft hinge]

it makes the whip sound

[urban portal]

It'll never deflect for 5s

[strong forum]

Nothing in this game snapshots, damage always updates constantly

Once the buff/debuff fades, everything is back to normal

[distant crystal]

except for tiger's fury :p

[strong forum]

Shut up

[distant crystal]

[ionic fern]

Warlocks snapshot. 🤔

[strong forum]

?

[distant crystal]

assaulting nome with the exceptions that prove the rule

[strong forum]

Exactly

I know about feral

But what snapshots for warlock? Do you mean demo?

[ionic fern]

I honestly diddn't read more.
I just read one sentence.

[strong forum]

Their commander thingy?

[ionic fern]

[median tulip]

Tyrant

[strong forum]

Ya tryant that's the name I keep forgetting

[distant crystal]

we stan for warlocks

press rally when they're gonna tyrant

[median tulip]

Its stats are set based on the conditions at the time of its summoning, so its attacks can be buffed by whatever you had affecting the caster when it was summoned

[strong forum]

Ye

Just like darkglare

But that's a summon

[distant crystal]

but not your actual stats right

it scales dynamically with like haste or no?

[median tulip]

I think all the summons work that way

[strong forum]

Not your actual stats no

[distant crystal]

just like imp count and HP and such ig?

[strong forum]

Tyrant and dark glare have specific summon mechanics

[iron ravine]

yo quick question, i have no tierset at all but is it worth it to try necro for raid/m+ or do i just stick with kyrian

[strong forum]

For raid yes, m+ no

[iron ravine]

gotcha, thanks

[median tulip]

You can do any content as any Not-Venthyr Cov

[iron ravine]

what if im aiming for higher parses with no tierset, still necro?

[median tulip]

Necro isn't about personal parses

[strong forum]

Necro is the best for parsing

[latent pier]

No?

[strong forum]

It is tho

[distant crystal]

i know rogues snapshot

[iron ravine]

ty, i'll give it a try

[distant crystal]

pikabu does it all the time in arenas

😏

[strong forum]

Nobody actually tries to min max around necro group buffs

If you play it around your raid you might aswell not play necro

[latent pier]

The summon thing isn't really snapshotting so much as their ability to update being unreliable.

[distant crystal]

just gotta evict the melee healers

so they don't steal banner from dps

[strong forum]

Ye

[crystal iris]

i like it well enough in M+

[latent pier]

Is necro the parse king in cleave fights? Figured that's where the lesser covenants come in.

[crystal iris]

mostly because i dont need to swap my kyrian fury conduits

[latent pier]

That's real nice. Can just poke the necro guy when tanking.

[sturdy sable]

NF with kory or spear would likely pull ahead on aoe fights (andy lithium)

[chrome falcon]

you might parse harder on anduin with kyrian or NF but you'll do more useful damage as necrolord

[sturdy sable]

Yeah but we talking parsing

[tame jasper]

what trinkets do you use at Skolex Mythic? I get in struggle with Fate +Scale as on 4th Tankcombo I need external CDs 😦

[sturdy sable]

You running the wall?

[chrome falcon]

though actually on anduin hc

4 of the top 5 parses are necrolord

[sturdy sable]

Really?

Colour me suprised

[chrome falcon]

and the only kyrian got SIX PIs

[sturdy sable]

Only six?

Casual

[tame jasper]

Wall-Lego, Anger Managament, 4piec, Fate, Scale: Rota i use so far:

1. SW 2) Last Stand + Scale 3) SW 4) 😢

[sturdy sable]

You reflecting any of these maws?

Demo shouting?

Max IP?

[tame jasper]

TC, DEmo up on CD, every rage goes into IP

[sturdy sable]

Yeah not all your rage should go into ip

[tame jasper]

wait the blue ones are reflecctable? opens spreadsheep

[sturdy sable]

The maw?

[chrome falcon]

it's not reflectable but

it's magic damage

[dapper coral]

No, but you get 20% dr

[sturdy sable]

Its 20% dr regardless if you can reflect or not

[chrome falcon]

you should have SR up for every maw

[sturdy sable]

20% plus demos 20% is basically wall

[tame jasper]

Retch: Hotfixed, no longer reflectable

[strong forum]

Parsing rn is a meme

90%of people don't have 4p

If not more

[chrome falcon]

i don't think it's as much as 90% but yeah a lot of very good players don't have it yet

[sturdy sable]

Yeah ive got 3p and all of them are normal :(

[vernal vale]

I have 0 tier.

[sturdy sable]

Buuut the other warriors/monks are full tier now so

Come heroic reclear ill hopefully be decked out

[chrome falcon]

Yes but the people who don't have tier aren't trying to parse on late heroic/mythic bosses so it's kind of irrelevant

Like those who don't have any tier

[vernal vale]

Its so sad to get shit drops.

Just have to keep grinding and hoping.

[chrome falcon]

@tame jasper You didn't mention spell reflect or demo shout in that but I sure hope you're using them

[sturdy sable]

Ive gottene everything else just not the tier lmao

Yeah you can delay demoshout a bit for mechs its not gonna ruin you or anything

[tame jasper]

demo on TC on CD sure, spellreflect not, at least at hope I can reduca damage of Retch

[sturdy sable]

Retch is the thing you dont stand in

[chrome falcon]

Why do you need to reduce the damage of retch...?

You should be using spell reflect on Riftmaw every single time

[sturdy sable]

Are you getting hit by multiple riftmaws?

[ember token]

SW -> External -> SW -> External until end. Reflect on Riftmaw, Block on Rend - Demo/IP when available, 4set Avatar is also good. If that it's a walk in the park with that setup

[chrome falcon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/yL7GY3agbKp6qB8n#fight=12&type=summary i didn't play this fight perfectly or anything but i didn't die so here's my log

[tame jasper]

ho? Rend and Retch are the Tank combo or do I mix up all those R-Spells again?

[waxen cradle]

2 riftmaws = splat usually anyway

[chrome falcon]

And yeah just call for externals

Retch is the giant cone

[waxen cradle]

why is that such a issue

[chrome falcon]

Riftmaw is the tank ability

[sturdy sable]

Im just asking cause some tanks gets clipped without realizing

[tame jasper]

OK then SR for Riftmaw putting it on list

[ember token]

100%, as you wont be reflecting it but reducing the dmg

[chrome falcon]

SR reduces your magic damage taken

[tame jasper]

yeah sure

I know

had not on mind that its magic damage

[waxen cradle]

yeah aware but why is it causing them such a issue, 1 riftmaw 1 rend is the usual scenario just unsure why its causing them so much trouble

if ever taking more then 1 maw your asking for it

[chrome falcon]

who is taking more than 1 maw

[waxen cradle]

they said the damage felt intense

[chrome falcon]

yeah

on mythic skolex? that shit hurts

[sturdy sable]

I brought it up incase they didnt realize they where doing it without noticing and drkreven got stuck on it i think

[waxen cradle]

yeah it will shit on ya hard for sure, but I read more and saw they said they were not SRing and was like... oh ok makes sense now

[sturdy sable]

Yeah alot of ppl dont realize how much you have to use SR

Especially with blizzard decided everything and its mum had to do cosmic damage

[waxen cradle]

yeah I treat SR like a mandatory CD when I know I might take anything not physical but that became a habit

[tame jasper]

as said: i forgot that its magic damage

[waxen cradle]

yeah saw you say that as I was typing response

[chrome falcon]

but yeah bukama "i had to call for an external" is not like

a problem

that's fine

the externals are there for you to use

[dawn canyon]

That's why you track em on ui

[waxen cradle]

after today using SR is going to be even more nice then it already is, that 5 second cd reduction is truly what I am looking forward to after servers come up

[tame jasper]

I have to wait until tomorrow :

😄

[waxen cradle]

lol

[tame jasper]

but skolex is in twoi days so nio prob

but for m+ ❤️

like DOS where u miss these 2 secs

to get back to scolex

can I see in warcraftlogs how much I reduced damage of riftmaw by SR or just see the absorb by scale?

[sturdy sable]

Its the only change that really matters

Now give me 2 charges of it and we are golden

And let me block spells during its duration

[chrome falcon]

@tame jasper why do you need to see how much damage SR reduced

it's 20%

[tame jasper]

want to see if I "accitendal" used it

I dont think so, but want to check

[crystal iris]

HR on skolex ?

[jagged pier]

no

[waxen cradle]

Sadly we both know with the ease, and the amount of SB uptime we get from Reprisal they are never going to let us block spells, but its nice to dream. I for one am wondering what kind of changes we can expect going into the next expansion given they are slapping on these changes now

obviously leggos go away but here's hoping some of these leggo effects at least somewhat get baked into the spec

[crystal iris]

would be nice if reprisal was baseline

or maybe just the charge part of it

[waxen cradle]

knowing how blizzard thinks I would say baseline no way, but maybe worked into our spec partially

[frail oar]

hi guys, when we are checking the logs in dungeons, the part that's supposed to be >80% is the blocked hit for melees or the mitigated % for melees ?

if it's the latest, i'm getting closer but if it's the first, god i have work to do

[distant crystal]

blocked %

but... make sure it's under hits

one of the blocked % things is like, what percentage of dmg taken was blocked

which skews things obv cause blocked hits are way smaller

[frail oar]

is this the thing i'm supposed to look at ?

[distant crystal]

i'm mousing over that "747"

under the hits column

[frail oar]

oh, ok

[distant crystal]

looks like you're mousing over the "Amount"

[frail oar]

better than i thought, but still far for 80%

(i was looking under amount)

thanks 🙂

[distant crystal]

npnp

[crystal iris]

damn dude 88

nice

[distant crystal]

that's ToP, the downtime makes it easier i think

[frail oar]

I'm at 65 in taza street

But I know I don't use reprisal properly

The intervene part, I'm ok, but the charge part I almost only use when I pull 😬

[waxen cradle]

yeah finding that perfect time on pulls to get in every single charge usage can be extremely tricky and there are certainly times when a unwise leap out and charge back in would be foolish

so timing is huge

well that and opportunity

[distant crystal]

During casts, after an aoe stun, etc

there's a lot of opportunities to make some distance

[waxen cradle]

yeah if I have to kite I use them then or during shockwaves is when I try to get in my uses

[lyric geode]

Use macro to intervene on a set focus target. Usually you set focus on a range player. Then you charge back to the adds.

Charge/intervene/charge gives you 12 sec

[lime urchin]

That sounds like a dps loss to me!

[lofty widget]

you shouldnt do that

losing out on a revenge proc

[lime urchin]

Are the US warriors playing already

[distant crystal]

no

long ass maint

7 more hours

[lime urchin]

Sad

[crystal iris]

wait wtf

for what there isnt even anything new this week

[lofty widget]

all the prot buffs takes a while to import

[distant crystal]

bear nerfs were hard

[lost mist]

Aw what happened to that tier list that was in the pins showing Pwar as S tier and everyone else at D?

[blazing condor]

big dratnos took it down

[autumn lintel]

Been using The Wall Forever, should I switch to Reprisal if my primary goal is Raid Prog?

[jagged pier]

u want both in raid prog

if its just normal and hc then repisal for sure, on mythic u want the wall for some fights

[radiant magnet]

keep both. use the one that makes the most sense based on mechanics & your skill.

progression fights I like The Wall since it gives some margin for oops. once you've seen the live mechanics though, Reprisal gives you a ton more rage & flex

[jagged pier]

u follow what sense does its simple as that

[autumn lintel]

And who might that be and where can I see what they do lol

[jagged pier]

u see it on logs

[trail brook]

does anyone have the shield from guardian? If so how is it?

[urban portal]

It's ok

[jagged pier]

mine is in defensive mode and i havent changed it in a month

👍

[tropic linden]

don't u save Demo for riftmaw?

why use on CD?

[ember token]

Didnt need to, SW + SR was enough for Rift

Usually Avatar was on too, which is that extra 10%

[chilly brook]

I feel like I should look at the Druid discord

To exhume some salt

[distant crystal]

idk anyone who played bear or did a key with a bear that didn't think they needed a nerf bad lol

the nerf itself is p solid, doesn't really take any strength away except giga aoe dps

idk if this is enough to make them ditch sleeper and go back to UFR

[chilly brook]

Idk but UFR is still dumb

[upper spoke]

Wowatnight, a youtube channel by the creator of wowhead tank guides, has a 9.2 guide for every tank except prot warrior

Maybe I should just level guardian ...

[foggy loom]

Imagine

[sturdy sable]

Aw shit thats the only place you woulda got your information on how to play a pwar

[deep steppe]

he does have one though.........

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjRXhsfpDrk

[blazing condor]

smh my head

[strong forum]

Petition to make reprisal craft able on shield.

[blazing condor]

🤔

[west walrus]

😍

Makes sense

[upper spoke]

Halbeard, that guide was created before the release of shadowlands.

[deep steppe]

its his 9.2 prot war guide

[upper spoke]

yeah that is. it's not listed on the youtube channel

my mistake

[grizzled lotus]

that said, it's crazy how hard it is to get your "first shield" on an alt shield user

my buddy swapped to Prot Paladin this patch and was rocking some world green forever until he got one from Mists. We did like 20ish ToP/Mists/NW

[foggy loom]

Conquest

[grizzled lotus]

very weird that there's no craftable one

[foggy loom]

Shield

Cheap asf

[chilly brook]

Honor

[grizzled lotus]

what ilvl is the honor/conq shields?

[chilly brook]

200

[grizzled lotus]

okay sure you can get A shield

[chilly brook]

Depends on your honor and your rating

And or conquest

Since you can upgrade them

[blazing condor]

Just do CN lfr for the token

[upper spoke]

wow that video gets into some detail. having reactivated yesterday, im having trouble digesting everything

[autumn lintel]

As Venthyr prot I feel attacked

[chilly brook]

One step at a time

[chilly brook]

Venthyr is swamp ass

[autumn lintel]

Be mad at my double execute phase

jk. I did switch to necro lol

And then back...

[chilly brook]

The problem is

it just does everything worse

Execute damage?

Play necro

AoE and decent single target?

Kyrian/NF

[upper spoke]

wrong channel. but wow i just stumbled on this and it looks cool https://thegadgetzantimes.com/

[oblique quarry]

idk, I like necro for some of those magic damage runs.

[sturdy sable]

Lmao i ran it until sludefist M prog

[chilly brook]

I mean it was a little different in CN

[dark lark]

I just learned that Streets trash hurts

[sturdy sable]

Was definitely swamp ass tho

[chilly brook]

I ran it on sire

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[oblique quarry]

real talk, this is what I was thinking of when I said that lol.

[sturdy sable]

Hey man i could definitely see the value of having condemn for the last phase of sire

[dark lark]

Definitely feel like Streets trash hurts the hardest now of all the dungeons

[sturdy sable]

Yeah some of the trash fucks

[oblique quarry]

I am guessing this will be a garbage week for pushing with spiteful and necro 😦

[chilly brook]

def useful for the damage check

[lofty widget]

theyre fine affixes, can definitely still push high

[dark lark]

Spiteful is a dps problem

You can help with stuns though

[median tulip]

Spiteful is an affix where I'm glad I use Arms as my DPS spec

[dark lark]

You just have to worry about necrotic which isn't that hard to deal with once youve done it enough

[median tulip]

"Oh there's a Spiteful shade on me?" presses Die By The Sword

[dark lark]

I just stun it and use it for pad

[median tulip]

Don't even have to stun it when you have 100% Parry xD

[dark lark]

True

[strong forum]

Also dbts + intervene on your tank is goated

[lofty widget]

but then you have to play arms instead of fury

[strong forum]

If you pop dbts legit macro intervene in

Imagine playing fury

Cringe ass nae nae spec

[lofty widget]

well when you dont have the brain capacity for arms you have settle for the next best thing

[sweet summit]

@strong forum

no u

[strong forum]

No u

doodoo

[sweet summit]

arm stinky

poopoo spec

[chilly brook]

get a sub before you even think about putting my specs name in yo mouth

smh

[dark lark]

Why can't we all get along

[chilly brook]

This guy

[dark lark]

Griff about to go will Smith on nom

[strong forum]

Ima put in my mouth whatever I want OK?

My body my choic3

I'm not fixing that typo

[chilly brook]

[chilly brook]

https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-gif-8186779

[dark lark]

hot off the press

[chilly brook]

trruuuuuueeee

[craggy pilot]

damn this dung feels difficult to time

near perfect run with 3 deaths, no full wipes

but a bit low on the DPS

and then we like 10 seconds over

[strong forum]

A bit is an understatement

[safe thistle]

which one would you pick already have a 272 belt but i still have 252 rings.

[strong forum]

Ring lol

That ring is omega bis

[craggy pilot]

well people for 16s dont have tier set yet

[strong forum]

Thats still pretty low m8

No dps should do less than 10k

Especially with double leggo

[craggy pilot]

ye ok 🤔

[strong forum]

They should do minimum like 12k

Minimum

[craggy pilot]

also with left route in streets?

[upper spoke]

i was thinking tank's dps was insane

[craggy pilot]

so many small pulls in left route

[chrome falcon]

yeah honestly you did the best dps in there, considering how shitty and slow your group was, 8k is not bad

[craggy pilot]

❤️ thx

😄

even though pepega dps in streets, i still got it finally ❤️

[plucky hearth]

honestly feel like i have to take phial with these choices?

idk when ill use phial tho..

[chrome falcon]

those are both crit rings right so yeah

[strong forum]

Phial is your best choice

[plucky hearth]

verse heavy rings

[chrome falcon]

phial for parsing

[strong forum]

Pretty best dps trinket

Crit vers rings are yikes

[plucky hearth]

ows + phial or phial + opc tho

if i was to use it

[strong forum]

Ows

[chrome falcon]

what's opc

[strong forum]

Haste is by far out best stat

Especially so with tier

[plucky hearth]

haste is pretty even with mastery if anything we favor a bit more mastery if talking sims

but trinkets are strange

[strong forum]

Overwhelming power crystal

[plucky hearth]

and i wasnt planning on using phial

[chrome falcon]

oh yeah ows for sure

[plucky hearth]

it doesnt even sim over my 272 opc..

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qr8ZiCiYrkHVYWaqMfcHex

[unkempt fox]

hey guys what are the affixes this week?

[strong forum]

Bro

This is prot

Not fury

[plucky hearth]

BALLS

[strong forum]

[chrome falcon]

man i was going to say how tf are you simming 13.4k

[plucky hearth]

i was talking in prot last night

forgot to swap

sorry boys

i do love prot ❤️

[sullen tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/imposter-detected-gif-21973555

[chilly brook]

this is what you get for talking bad about fury

[upper spoke]

Oh servers are up. Not bad

[main veldt]

necrotic 😴

[upper spoke]

Read every wowhead guide about legendaries, but I still feel clueless. If anyone could shoot me a guide for stupid people to it, I'd appreciate it.

[tropic linden]

Craft reprisal

[upper spoke]

I understand what's best, but not how to make them

[main veldt]

do i just take the tokens

[upper spoke]

oh thanks. sounds easy

i have 120k, so coin isn't really the issue

will that require a certain level of faction or anything?

[tropic linden]

U can buy memorys at zerath mortis

just bought the wall there

[upper spoke]

will do. i appreciate the tip. i needed that concise breakdown

[tropic linden]

Reprisal is best no boots

the wall is best on back

Unity is best on belt/ring until u have full set, than craft on head

[tame jasper]

just recraft it :p

and keep multiple in bank

[lime sluice]

2 - 291 gives a substantial item level increase though

[upper spoke]

last question. how can i get this free unity belt. i reactivated about 2 nights ago then pulled an all nighter, so i don't even have that

[main veldt]

complete the entire Zereth Mortis campaign

you get it at the very end

[upper spoke]

oh ok. thanks a million everyone

[main veldt]

do i hold the waist until i recraft my unity on ring/head or is that a throw?

[vocal geode]

um

wait till you see leggo prices

tarren mill eu

[main veldt]

[vocal geode]

[mighty valley]

yeah i'd take waist and hold it, we have a lot of better trinket options

unless your current trinkets are literal garbage

[main veldt]

236 scale and 262 ticking sack

[mighty valley]

those are fine for now yeah

[chrome falcon]

236 scale is literal garbage i think

[main veldt]

can confirm its literal garbage

[vocal geode]

how so

I was using 220 scale on my monk until I got it this season

[chrome falcon]

uh

[vocal geode]

65k absorb to 120k absorb

[chrome falcon]

ok and that was literal garbage too

[vocal geode]

[chrome falcon]

236 is barely even 9.1 ilvls

[main veldt]

32k absorb

[chrome falcon]

and the trinket is nerfed

[vocal geode]

scale and codex so good

maybe not on prot idk

[main veldt]

how did you get 65k absorb

[vocal geode]

codex is bad on prot but

because it is increased up to 5

[strong forum]

The absorb doubles on 5 targets

[vocal geode]

220 is 65k

[main veldt]

wait i thought pins said codex is good for prot

[strong forum]

Codex is good on any tank

It's just it's offensive capabilities don't take effect until very very high keys for us

[vocal geode]

it's better than the alternatives for sure

[strong forum]

Ye

[sweet summit]

@vocal geode

?!

[vocal geode]

meow

[sweet summit]

🐱

[vocal geode]

I dont play prot

still got unity on feet

my brewmaster is too stacked

[sweet summit]

🙂

[vocal geode]

🙂

[lament musk]

🐱

[sweet summit]

[mighty valley]

i guess i should not complain about a 278 weapon from vault, but 3/4 tier is painful

i'm so close

i can taste it

[radiant magnet]

you can 3/4 taste it

but dont worry, I'm 1/4 tasting it

[old idol]

239 tier or 278 so'leah trinket hmmm

[radiant magnet]

mail Harrow your tier, use the trinket

[upper spoke]

is shattering throw part of M+ rotation?

[chrome falcon]

shattering throw does like 900 damage on a 1.5 second cast so... no?

[wild hemlock]

holy shit i got 2p on my shaman

[upper spoke]

yeah didn't think so ...

[wild hemlock]

have only gotten 265 and 252 tier from vault lmao. not a single drop in raid

[upper spoke]

and is ravager only used on pull?

or tanking groups would you throw it in?

[chrome falcon]

uh

why would you only use it on the pull

spell does damage

damage is good

[upper spoke]

thanks. matta, twice you've been condescening. might want to chilll

i've played this expansion all of 2 days

[west walrus]

Generates 10 Rage each time it deals damage.

[chilly brook]

not sure if that's condescending but ok chief

[amber herald]

there's a couple bosses that have shields where shattering throw is ok to us

[chrome falcon]

they're weird questions

do damage with your spell that does damage

if the spell isn't going to do damage because the mobs are low then don't cast it

[upper spoke]

so... no? & uh why would you only use it on the pull

idk i speak differently. maybe that's just me

anyways. asked and answered. thank you

[chilly brook]

There's not a whole lot of holding abilities in the game

[mighty cairn]

arent you the one who asked lol

[chilly brook]

just use them

[chrome falcon]

man if i wanted to be condescending it would have been a lot more obvious

[chilly brook]

We're a builder spender class

and we reduce our CD's by spending

so more rage is good

more uses=more rage

[craggy pilot]

how the hell you supposed to do first 2 packs in DOS?

weith inspring

[radiant magnet]

skip em

[sturdy sable]

Hero first pray 2nd?

[west walrus]

First pull, I usually use lust, and take wo to go into ardenweald

[sturdy sable]

Get the druid your running with to go bear foe those to pulls then have him switch back to boomkin

Ez

But listen to kuku for a real answer

[chrome falcon]

yeah lust first pack, kill wo, come back to the "second" pack when your CDs are back up

[patent osprey]

sigh 😦 another week of vault, another week of no 4 set on the warrior

RIP my Prot warrior

[west walrus]

If by second pack, you mean before Ardenweald, there is a urn, with which you can kill inspiring wihout worrying
If you mean before Hakkar, you may cc the inspiring

If you want better tips, master @patent osprey is here :D

[pulsar wedge]

how much haste should we be looking for?

vs vers/crit

[sturdy sable]

As much as your highest ilvl gear has on it

[lofty widget]

just equip highest ilvl, and high haste for jewellry

[sturdy sable]

Literally no amount of haste is going to save your life just gear ilvl and play well

[west walrus]

39%

[sturdy sable]

Sim for dps (tho i dont think 4p is implemented)

[west walrus]

(there is a stronger diminushing return beyond this point)

[lofty widget]

simming necro is kinda weird, only getting aroun 40 % uptime on banner

[sturdy sable]

"Optimal"

[lime urchin]

look what I found!

[amber herald]

phial is pretty nice

[sand drum]

wonder if I would swap 😛 ?

[dawn canyon]

afe bad

its hard to stand in the haste

[sand drum]

thx :> ❤️

[lofty widget]

big banner uptime in mists

[chrome falcon]

nicely conquered brother

[plush tendon]

very cool

whats the overall though?

[amber herald]

89% on IP, woh

[lofty widget]

only 13k 😦

[plush tendon]

too much rage, has to go somewhere

[lofty widget]

taking no dmg forced to spam ip

[amber herald]

yeah but that's crazy compared to 9.1 when I last played, you barely pressed it except in the ravager window

very cool

[plush tendon]

banner pretty cool though; I only did 10.5k in mists last week with spear 😦

but I dont have 4 piece, so maybe that would help

granted, I was only 2k behind the dps in damage : P