if youre in doubt what to play on a boss
#protection
fading quiver
even sense swapped to the wall on skolex
strong forum
ya skolex
safe thistle
i use sense weak aura its not bad
strong forum
cuz its easier on him
fading quiver
i thought skolex was great for reprisal
strong forum
no
its fine
but wall is much less dangerous to play
cuz you always gotta hug properly on that boss
strong forum
sense has a reason for it
safe thistle
depend of your co-tank and group
with the SR change reprisal will be easier on skolex cause you wont need shield wall that much to compensate
fading quiver
hmm so 85% of prot warriors are bad because they use wall
safe thistle
no
fading quiver
gotta pump those reprisal numbers
strong forum
on other bosses besides skolex
yes
pretty much the case
they still think that wall is the prog leggo
when that changed 1 year ago
unless ofc you get bosses like pantheon aswell
where you cant get reprisal value
fading quiver
pantheon not so bad, lords is impossible
safe thistle
why lord imposssible
fading quiver
always on a boss and pointing them is important
safe thistle
not during the cd
after they did the strike you can move intervene/charge the other they will stay stacked
safe thistle
ahhh
some melee might get anxious but...
it does work
anyway you turn them to not get melee cleaved and theres always that 1 guy that come dps the boss right next to you
mighty valley
there's enough going on in lords that your RL isn't going to notice malganis turning for a fraction of a second between casts lol
safe thistle
its sad that i dont veven push keys and dont go higher than 16-17ish cause i play with friend that arent min-max crazy about dps mostly and 17th pwar tank on server....
the fotm war all went ppal
trail brook
Same, im 4rth on my realm and im at 2600
silver river
Hey y'all, DK discord has a FAQ about codex pulling targeted mobs that you aren't in combat with because of grievous, I'm trying to figure out if anybody has experienced it pulling mobs that you aren't currently targeting
I saw @sweet girder mention it earlier, so I know y'all are aware of the greivous/targeting bug
sweet girder
happened repeatedly last week ye, it didnt make sense it was the trinket since i have had it since week 1
so grevious, triggering, makes sense:D
silver river
yessir
Thanks DK discord just ignored my question when i told them i wasn't talking about the case in their FAQ, I appreciate you
cunning viper
why heavy repercussions over anger management
sweet summit
it's a thing for high keys without tier set
idk if you play it on any raid fight tho
cunning viper
yeah ive seen they're going heavy repercussions and best served cold
urban portal
yeah ive seen they're going heavy repercussions and best served cold
some of this data is before double tier
double leggo+tier
strong forum
3/5 out of the top 5 pwars don't have full tier
lofty widget
you definitely dont play HR with full tier
west walrus
When do we do 5 prot warr EU ?
blazing condor
the gangs all here
strong forum
Went on a 70km bike ride instead to tan
blazing condor
monka
strong forum
🚴
blazing condor
does jakey have time?
strong forum
🤷♂️
blazing condor
5 prot warr is dead unless everyone has 4p
no wonder i'm last if i dont have it 
blazing condor
holy
strong forum
copper lava
yeah I was wondering about HR too tbh. I should have 2 piece on tuesday
but ignore it and just run AM?
strong forum
until you have 4p you can play HR if you need to
copper lava
ah
jagged pier
does jakey have time?
Not till tomorrow afternoon
blazing condor
pog
copper lava
I will prob be running like 15s to 20 on it tho so will HR really be needed? Feel like ill be okay on tyran week with AM
coral widget
hey sorry if asked before i did try search. Any tips for streets? I just cannot seem to stay alive in 80% of packs.
I like to think I know somewhat of what im doing (I got to 21s last season) and am comfortable doing 18s atm without tier set but streets is just another level and im wondering if im just not getting the dungeon or if its just a real pain?
coral widget
yeah the right side is all casters, i cant stand in melee and they melt me
strong forum
And also F for you only being 80cm tall... Must have it rough
dawn canyon
😳
strong forum
Man.. Phil out here ruining the " being oblivious and innocent" joke
dawn canyon
Sorry 
west walrus
Go left side
👆
dawn canyon
I just cant accept gnomes and vulpera as a real thing
dawn canyon
U still on the all t6 mog?
coral widget
end of last season did some meme 15s and one was a first person run. Didnt see anything in mists as a gnome.
sick sentinel
Cuz you can actually fucking see what's going on!
medium races because dwarf is superior for everything
dawn canyon
Dwarf is great
coral widget
Go left side
can someone link me a route?
dawn canyon
@sweet summit can you please share your go left Route in lower taza?
sick sentinel
dwarf is also good because built in 3m delete anything but a curse or raidboss debuff
dawn canyon
Isnt it 2 mins?
coral widget
i mean going left would be so much better. its that trash on the right im having trouble with
sick sentinel
in 2004 it was 3min, but delete disease, bleed, and poison was always kinda a big deal
sweet summit
i'm not at computer, but sec
sweet summit
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distant crystal
sweet summit
notes are a but outdated, but rest should be fine
coral widget
Thanks so much! Nice to have people actually help me rather than just be like. YoU CaNt TiMe 24s? ShIt PlAyEr
grizzled lotus
Did the cats get nerfed yet lmao
dawn canyon
If you are doing that level of keys already you're definitely not a shit player 
sweet summit
yea
grizzled lotus
I remember that first Tyrannical week our Enh Shaman prefaded his Astral Shift because he "had a feeling'
sweet summit
i'll see if i can make a pastebin with decent ish routes
grizzled lotus
Double cat jump and he barely lived... In a 17 Tyrannical
grizzled lotus
Yeah Dino and dogs aren't a problem
coral widget
the rest are okay. I thought maybe i was just struggling coz i dont know the dungeons enough. the 8 old ones can probs do in sleep.
sweet summit
- the thrash dino does has like a 5yard range
grizzled lotus
We were trying to shroud past cats lmao
coral widget
but streets ive been going right and literally crying
grizzled lotus
I noticed going right in streets works if you can fight a pack where it stands
sweet summit
shrouding cats are a waste imo
dawn canyon
i'll see if i can make a pastebin with decent ish routes <:okayge:91764681251973...
Would be huge
coral widget
you can LoS the dino charge too
thats good to know. I probably should actually do the left side so i know what anything does
sweet summit
ancebt dread is an attack/cast speed reduction curse
lava breath is a frontal magic damage hit
chrome falcon
lava breath hurts a bunch but nothing else does so just use every CD
sweet summit
try not to have two lavabreaths go off at once, otherwise pretty chill
coral widget
awesome ill give it a go
sweet summit
also, hounds have to die within a few sec of eachother i think
coral widget
In response, you might already know. it;'s not massively useful but you can use wo in the buy sell mini game and nothing attacks you.
probably not useful but we tried it earlier and it worked
chrome falcon
it is worth doing as long as you already triggered the RP
sweet summit
yeah that's a huge time saver
chrome falcon
otherwise you waste most of the wo on the RP
chrome falcon
you just have your weakest dps do the whole event solo while the rest clear mailroom trash
coral widget
thats a good idea
grizzled lotus
Which Wo do you get? Courtyard pack with the 2 peacekeepers only?
coral widget
i guess the first one in mailroom?
grizzled lotus
Oh that'd work too
sweet summit
i use wo by menagerie to start rp, and if we have time finish rp. otherwise mailroom wo to finish
grizzled lotus
Yeah that would also help with needing an invis skip to mail room for lust timings
coral widget
thats really cool
grizzled lotus
Yeah super smart
Also if you get a new Wo in the mail room, the buff is global so you would refresh your buy/sell player's buff
And also give them time to run back to mailroom
west walrus
My best ravager placement
languid smelt
Feel your pain
fringe folio
Now show your worst !
oblique garnet
i use wo by menagerie to start rp, and if we have time finish rp. otherwise mail...
Pull everything outside from mailroom
Easiest pull in the dungeon
prisma obsidian
yea, pretty chill with like 2-3 stops
sweet summit
epic
chrome falcon
that sounds like a really good way to die to the random group damage
latent pier
Necro feels so nice as prot now
fossil stone
Yes dude. Just tried it on 2 keys after reading some of the posts from earlier. I'm sold. Feels great.
dusky sentinel
Someone go indepth here please. How do u do it. Start event then pull wo or just take wo to event then start or what? Not on my comp but tactic sounds golden
lament musk
like, left side is a joke
My group likes left side, feels like very efficient and easy %
Also hi #protection
lofty widget
im a firm believer of skipping left and right and playing majority of % in the end of the dungeon
mellow harbor
pretty sure when a prot warrior gets hits by any magic bolt, it hits least 3 generations of their family
mighty cairn
the packs toward the end are messy tho
lots of kicks and potential for dps to accidentally pull other stuff
mighty egret
streets is just rough in general on fort
dapper coral
As long as you LoS/communicate kicks, end is ezpz
Streets, more than other dungeons, feels so easy if you have good/competent DPS
because you bypass so many spooky mechanics/spells
mighty cairn
big dps absolves all sins
lament musk
The sparkcasters at the end are annoying, probably have to let scintillate casts go through and kick the channel ability thing, they probably need to slow down the wind-up on that
spring heart
oi nerds
is 4 set gud
or is prot still shit with 4 set
kinda wanna slash my wrists seeing other tanks outperform us
hollow bolt
its eh
latent pier
You saw the buffs right
scenic mural
Lol?
mighty egret
dmg was never the issue
scenic mural
Yeah bit of an odd take, but also if you cant read our tier and conclude its at the very least good then idk
sand pebble
If anything bear damage is probably getting nerfed.
They did say they wernt looking to nerf overperforming specs so guessing that means bear stays unless they find a bug with it
spring heart
where we do 10k others do 13+
mighty egret
They did say they wernt looking to nerf overperforming specs so guessing that me...
they weren't looking to nerf it now
cinder nova
How come the jailer trinket sims like dogshit for prot
but my VDH is creaming his jeans over it
scenic mural
its just the lowest dam
not really. we are lower than pallys and druids, the others we can compete with.
latent pier
Being lower than pallies and druids isn't exactly a bad thing either.
scenic mural
exactly
scenic mural
surely u arent including ST in this argument
bc vdh is laughable at best
and we beat bdks
latent pier
doesn't our 2set kinda address the st issue
scenic mural
our st is fine, my point was that vdh is shit
chrome falcon
did you time it?
austere forum
Where does most of our dam come from? I’m trying to figure that out
spring heart
ye it was free
dapper coral
SS in ST, Revenge in AoE, covenant ability, and execute in execute
spring heart
i missed some dps cause i kited too mch on the pull with the cats and didnt double pull the 2x goliath pack
so would have been maybe 8.5
chrome falcon
alles gut then brother
sinful plover
wouldn't dmg be lower this week in general bc more kiting is required with fort?
chrome falcon
moreso because of inspired
fewer double pulls, ccing shit
especially in soa, fuck soa inspired
austere forum
I feel Ike I’m hitting too many buttons
spring heart
anything else were facetank gods
sinful plover
basically you're gonna want to go in there and just mash all your buttons
austere forum
Ok - then I’m on the right track
chrome falcon
nope you need to be roughly 1.5-2x as many buttons on prot as other tanks
depending on the second obviously
austere forum
Will the guides be the same after the buffs?
dapper coral
buff don't change gameplay much, you can just do more more often
and IP stinks less
dapper coral
SR CDR is super cool though, as you can fully SR some stuff I think (ToP Scythe, Hakkar thing, Mueh'zala thing, Halondrus beam, etc)
You're thinking too much. Protection is pretty low brain. Don't wanna get hit? Press Shield Block. Can't press Shield Block? Press Shield Slam. Can't press Shield Slam? Press TClap. Have too much rage? Revenge. Want to press IP? Don't, tell your healer to get gud
Magic thing? Spell Reflect
Big thing? Shield Wall
scenic mural
dont just prio revenge on aoe either, spam that shit always for more slams
austere forum
Omg your guide is better than most I’ve read!’ Seriously!!
chrome falcon
yeah you really don't have to think much for prot's general rotation
shield slam on aoe if you need rage to revenge harder, otherwise just revenge
just don't starve and slam more revenges
sick sentinel
prot feels so hard to live on right now 😦
sage yacht
austere forum
I did a 14 just off of @chrome falcon and @dapper coral guide.. still need more practice but we did it
TOP
chrome falcon
it really is just practice
learning to SS if it procs even if you're already mashing revenge
latent pier
especially in soa, fuck soa inspired
IMO theater is the absolute worst inspired dungeon
18 spires was so much easier ;-;
whole marsh
How are warrior tanks looking for mythic plus with those changes boys?
mighty cairn
we might be a little too strong tbh
urban portal
^
waxen orbit
Uh
RL is making me run double defensive trinket on Heroic LoD despite having high mitigation
And not dying
???????????/
Tf is this??/
chrome falcon
sounds like an overreaction and over-micromanagement to the rest of your raid being poopsuck and dying
(when i was a bad raid leader that's the kind of thing i would do to compensate)
waxen orbit
He's no Max, that's for sure
waxen orbit
Okay he admitted it's because healer's are struggling with the actual healing reqs
Alright as long as it isn't some bullshit
chrome falcon
yeah sounds about right
making people compensate for other peoples mistakes is not a good long term strat but if your healers can't handle it (whether thats their fault or the dps') then it happens
chrome falcon
yeah i've been in that boat
had some truly rancid awful healers in legion but stuck with them forever because they were longterm members of the guild and well-liked socially but eventually it just forces too much carrying from the better players and promotes bitterness
buuuuuuut it's not like there are an infinite number of healers out there 4 weeks into the last tier of a new expansion so...
waxen orbit
It's awful when you get blamed for the healers though
Had to parse a 94 damage, 95 healing on Anduin to compensate
Literally received no more than 190k healing overall from any given healer, with 3 of our 5 healers having less than 100k done on me
(Aside from the hpal giving me beacon for 600k)
But before the hpal came in it was the same
Got blamed because I was running double offensive that they were OOM even though they weren't healing me
chrome falcon
yeah man gotta go double defensive on anduin that guy really hurts the tanks
waxen orbit
Actual definition of healer problem
chrome falcon
anduin's melee swings really make you feel like you're being hit by a 25 year old priest
like there is no reason to go defensive on that boss
waxen orbit
Micromanaged
3rd raid lead like this
It's fine
Everything's fine
I'm totally not just sending raid leads who don't effectively understand tank logs literal pages of charts and log dives explaining why defensive trinkets are not the problem
chrome falcon
hey to be fair i don't understand tank logs either and understanding tank logs is supposed to be my whole job
waxen orbit
I mean in raid there's definitely a lot of variables to look at
chrome falcon
the conversation doesn't really need to go further than "i'm not dying and i'm not taxing the healers any more than other tanks" imo
waxen orbit
Right but that's not enough for some people
They need a full thesis
So my neurodiverse ass sits down and pulls up the data, hyperfixates, and compiles a shitload of info on it
But because this is the internet
People don't actually ask for proof and data because they have the intention to listen to it
godineedtoeitherfindadifferentguildorgetoffthisgame
latent pier
can you provide me the proof and data that you actually did that
misty sail
whenever you think you can't drop a specific item, remember that my guild's tank has done 95 DoS since the beginning of season 3 and so far doesn't have the hakkar trinket
45 DoS Just this week 
Check for DoS on his raider io profile https://raider.io/characters/us/azralon/Pegazustorm
mighty cairn
is he doing it with friends who can tank spec at least
sand pebble
Blizz prolly has special code on his account that reads might quit game if loots bss, reduce chance to loot by 100%
scenic mural
I got it on my second DOS of the season, then in the cache that week😂
bright dock
Imagine his loot spec was mistweaver
scenic mural
I hate DOS and the thought of spending that much time in there sickens me
mighty valley
Targeting one item is a strategy for misery
Just run the odds and look at how low your chance per run is
urban portal
If you don't have aegis
There's like 0 good tank trinkets out there
The proc based ones in raid is not bad
Heart of swarm is decent too
sand pebble
Last seasons 252 scale will do me until i get a new one but fuck farming it, already got new opc
scenic mural
Exactly, he has a 246 one lmao
Ive got 272 bss and 272 codex so i can finally start looting in fury to get some dps tribkegs
maiden ravine
Rejoice, for in 5 months scale shall be dead! Unless everyone drags their 272 through all of s4
urban portal
Fury loot spec ain't it
mighty valley
fury's not bad if you've got a great shield AND don't have a good prot weapon yet AND you're gonna play arms or fury down the road
AND you don't need any tank spec trinkets
sand pebble
I have 265 raid weap and shield so ill work on that from vault after i get a decent weap
scenic mural
Ive got haste vers wep haste vers shield i think im safe
mighty valley
Sounds like you're best off in arms spec looting tbh
sand pebble
Looting 8/11 raid bosses as prot being arms/fury main feels weird
scenic mural
True, i dont play any dps spec so its just whatever spec to target the trinkets
mighty valley
arms table is smaller than fury since no 1hers
so higher chance to get what you want
scenic mural
I guess its dependent on what dungeon youre running
sand pebble
Yeah loot as arms or prot only to target what you need
urban portal
I guess its dependent on what dungeon youre running
No because fury loot included both 1h and 2h
It's strictly more diluted
mighty valley
i haven't looked closely at loot tables per dungeon, guess it's possible that some have no 1hers but some 2hers
urban portal
Then arms and fury would be the same
urban portal
Tier set?
blazing condor
thanks
sand pebble
Imagine a world where we could reforge tier gear stats for spec specific
sweet summit
upper spoke
hey. i just hit 60, but every dungeon is locked
blazing condor
imagine brining reforging back
mighty valley
reforging was annoying
maiden ravine
reforging was just an annoying delay to equipping gear
there's 0 reason for it with hit/exp gone
blazing condor
eh i disagree i think it'd be nice to at least have the opportunity
especially since hit/expertise is gone
it doesn't have to delay equipping it any more than gems and enchants do the same
not to mention you used to have the reforger on the Yak mount
but at the same time it's obviously not "needed" today, the secondary stats don't make that big of a difference (at least for us)
mighty valley
i think looting in wow is bland enough without being able to tweak bad drops to be better
it's fine imo when something drops that's like "this is good but there's something better out there"
sand pebble
I mean making it swap to spec specific eg haste vers for prot, crit haste/mast for arms and haste mast for fury so each tier piece looks different for each spec
mighty valley
blizzard shouldn't be dictating which stats are good for each spec
blazing condor
i should
mighty valley
and if they tried they'd be wrong half the time anyway
yes, a dog with a crown should
100% hit rate
blazing condor
haste vers for every spec so the gems and enchants become cheap
sand pebble
Im not sayimg blizz chooses im saying we reforhe it yo what we want
upper spoke
would TW increase my ilvl high enough to start normal shadowlands dungeons?
mighty valley
I think so? You can also buy the cheapest crafted gear on the AH
upper spoke
ilvl of items from these campaign quests are < my old BFA epics
blazing condor
isnt normal shadowlands dungeons like ilvl 200
sand pebble
Hit 60 and buy a full set of 233 crafted gear
upper spoke
looks like i havent even been to zerith mortis. is that pvp?
blazing condor
its the newest zone for this patch
urban portal
would TW increase my ilvl high enough to start normal shadowlands dungeons?
Yes time walking is a good way
blazing condor
pve
mighty valley
time walking will also get you a free 252 piece, but the actual drops are kind of low
idk just do anything tbh
upper spoke
yep sry i know my questions are noobish
mighty valley
no it's all good, there's a lot to do at max lvl lol
maiden ravine
Everyone is a newbie at some point.
sand pebble
Full set of crafted gear at 233, single 262 crafted with some bonus proc/stat, head to zm the quest reward gear starts at 226/236
upper spoke
what is required to go to ZM?
sand pebble
Quick zm guide
urban portal
Just campaign
mighty valley
There should be a campaign quest in Oribos to go there
upper spoke
I'm 1/2 thru Ardenweald and havent touched that R zone
sweet summit
Also hi <#148897941883584512>
did u get lost wtf
upper spoke
do u think i can pick up the ZM quest?
mighty valley
I think anyone can do it
upper spoke
nah did TW and dungeons with full rested. i quit twice
thanks ill check it out
and thanks for that guide
upper spoke
yeah it is
urban portal
Which sounds like it s
upper spoke
yeah i played every other expansion, and i roll over these campaign quests too easily
maiden ravine
Yeah, you'll have to do the story at least once. If you're in ardenweald you have revendreth to go. I liked the quest story though.
mighty valley
revendreth rules
urban portal
They need a skip to zm for mains imo
They do, you skip to chapter 3
Prob not too good of an idea for a full skip
sand pebble
They do, you skip to chapter 3
For mains that havent completed any story yet, they need a skip to zm
maiden ravine
You only need to do the intro to Korthia to get the intro to zm I believe
urban portal
1 button for a 265 leggo
Well they want you to experience it for first time at least
sand pebble
They removed half of the quests that helped you understand it
upper spoke
thanks again for the info, everyone
maiden ravine
Honestly yeah, people who come late, don't finish their covenant campaigns or Korthia or may be a bit lost, but the content is there.
upper spoke
Lol "This is the way" is the name of the next storyline in Ardenweald
blazing condor
🇺🇬
upper spoke
oh do i have an item that unlocks these chests in Ardenweald that I keep seeing? it says they are locked
mighty valley
They're usually locked by some puzzle in the immediate area
upper spoke
ok
mighty valley
yeah they might be important for achievements or cosmetics or something but if just hit endgame and come back later if you care about any of it
upper spoke
should i consider a certain profession? my engineering thru BFA is max, but my other profession basically is empty
a different toon is a max blacksmith (an old level 50 dk), so if most things are tradeable my main prot warrior could consider a different second profession.
i guess it's 4:30 am, so most people probably are asleep
strong forum
Engineering is like the only profession that does anything for you in terms of quality of life in wow
Be it the wormhole generator, auction house or combat res.
upper spoke
yeah I have those. i used to play a ton
it's nice that it's still viable and useful
I figured they disabled unstable time shifter, but it's still on my toolbar and yea I just noticed there is no level restriction
cool name btw
ionic fern
I've never had any professions outside of Enchanting/Inscription at lvl 1 for that Disenchant and opening of doors in Tol'Dagor.
west walrus
No doors in SL, except Mists which does not require a profession
lyric geode
Do you believe these buffs on protection warrior will mean anything?
lyric geode
? Are you referring to my question?
west walrus
Weren't you not asking about next reset buff?
lyric geode
I am asking about the class tuning that was shown two days before
west walrus
Then yes, i was answering this one 🙂
west walrus
lyric geode
I saw it***
west walrus
Sorry, after reading myself I found my answer a bit harsh, not intended 🙂
sweet summit
i'm only disappointed some other tanks cough bear cough haven't been touched yet
upper spoke
im a bit confused how to acquire "one free legendary." I just hit 60, and am about to finish Ardenweald's campaign. I haven't touched Revendrath (sp?) or Zeth'Mortis yet
lyric geode
Maybe give us a better version of ignore pain
upper spoke
end of legion IP was ridiculous OP
sweet summit
they kinda did that when they buffed it
lyric geode
Make it to 80% would make at least the ignore pain viable for magic dmg mitigation.
west walrus
I would prefer a larger IP pool over a better mitigation, especially in late expansion
sweet summit
not with this tier set, kuku
lime urchin
IP already does mitigate magic dmg? Or do I misunderstand you
timber jasper
rage when damage taken and indomitable to 2% and i would be gucci
west walrus
not with this tier set, kuku
What do you mean?
strong forum
Higher % of mitigation from IP is always better than a larger pool of it
lyric geode
@lime urchin it does. sometimes, it is preferable to cast IP than shield block, IF the pull is consisted of casters and your pug group doesnt interrupt them.
strong forum
That way you can actually count on it mattering
And what erga is referring to is that with tier youll have absurd amount of IP uptime
And very high IP usage, making the "larger pool" largely irrlevenat since you'll be recasting it alot
lyric geode
I haven't tier pieces. I dont know how good they are. Is outburst good?
ionic fern
i'm only disappointed some other tanks *cough* bear *cough* haven't been touched...
They said they are giving it another week before looking at nerfing specific specs.
sweet summit
west walrus
How often do you usually get outburst in dungeon?
sweet summit
every 30 or so seconds + avatar outburst?
ionic fern
I actually did dungeons this week to get more chance of tier set.
sweet summit
i have logs, but i can't check
ionic fern
sweet summit
pog
west walrus
Sounds huge
strong forum
It is
west walrus
west walrus
What is your apm? 😏
ionic fern
5
sweet summit
300
jagged pier
Need to do..4 more tho for 3 rewards
Im free from around 4 ST today
lyric geode
So, haste is even more a must stat for uptime?
lyric geode
Into the fray or ravager?
strong forum
Rav
west walrus
Ravager in dungeon
lyric geode
Ok ok
sweet summit
69 cpm in mists 
strong forum
And thats with downtime
lyric geode
@west walrus pray that your pug group may interrupt spells you take dmg from.
west walrus
That's why I mostly play NF 🤣
lyric geode
Me too buddy. It feels so good that you dont have to worry about spells.
Necro, if i play premade and Kyrian for dmg
I last my banner for a minute.
west walrus
I want to break something when a boomie use typhoon, and moves packs away from my AA
Especially in ToP
upper spoke
I just hit Revendreth. Should I worry about these covenant quests in Oribos, or is completing the campaign my only focus?
ionic fern
Just be Kyrian.
west walrus
I'll do that on sanguine weeks
lyric geode
I hope next week, we wont have necrotic.
ionic fern
What is it this week again?
lyric geode
It would feel like a rest week. I would simply do weekly 15s and that is all
strong forum
Necrotic is pretty chill now from what I've heard
lyric geode
I see these weeks when necrotic is up, there is not a tank shown up on pugs.
west walrus
Why are people still worried about Necrotic.
The same way people are worried about prot warriors, habits
ionic fern
young glen
We barely have three pots with ksm on my realm lol
ionic fern
The same way people are worried about prot warriors, habits
Ah yes, the good old "WHY DID YOU INVITE A WARRIOR TANK????" followed by a "What the hell, how do you do so much damage????" at the end of the dungeon.
west walrus
😂
lyric geode
We do less damage than guardians and vengeance. Even monks beat us. I dont want to talk about palas.
ionic fern
I honestly don't know how much damage they do.
ionic fern
Anyone can give me numbers?
sweet summit
45
sweet summit
np
lyric geode
My friend had a vengeance tank that did dmg on par with dps. And I tried my best for 7k and up.
lyric geode
Well, it depends on the pulls.
sweet summit
nerf did 12k in a SD, that's all i know about bdk this season
strong forum
Has nothing to do with the pulls in the same situation all tanks do the same dmg except bears
lyric geode
Maybe I am just bad. I need to get good.
strong forum
Maybe I am just bad. I need to get good.
That's the spirit!
Mdi is gonna be Hella wild
That I can tell you
Lots of bears, lots of vdh, and maybe a few bdks
dawn canyon
I hope echo can compete
lyric geode
Well, 15s are like 13k the dps and I am 7k dps
dawn canyon
If they are too fried it's a big L for the quality of the cups
strong forum
Na echo is gonna compete
lyric geode
I may need to watch some plka streams to see
strong forum
💯
Plka does like 9k on his pwar but he only has 2p and plays necro
But he is slowly doing higher keys
lyric geode
I dont have any piece set
sweet summit
pog
lyric geode
Is 7k good for 257 ilvl geared?
ionic fern
Just remember the following:
Watch Sense
Try to copy what he does
Fail miserably and realise you will never be as good as him
ionic fern
Is 7k good for 257 ilvl geared?
No.
lyric geode
Even with 0 tier pieces?
lyric geode
Ok :(
ionic fern
Do you have double legendaries?
lyric geode
Yes, I play NF
sweet summit
we could do 10k in some keys last season, but then we lost shards, but then we got buffed
lyric geode
Maybe I need to switch to Kyrian for extra dmg
strong forum
Kyrian and NF are the same dmg roughly
lyric geode
Or I need to increase my critical for extra tank dmg
strong forum
And as erga said, with 257 you should be able to pump 10k in good keys
Has nothing to do with stats m8
ionic fern
Buttons
lyric geode
Ok
ionic fern
Do you press em?
lyric geode
Yes
lyric geode
I try my best.
ionic fern
Do you have logs?
lyric geode
Nagoku-stormscale
ionic fern
Wait, are you niya for m+?
lyric geode
@ionic fern idk. Isnt logs on raids?
ionic fern
Also
lyric geode
Yes
ionic fern
Why are you using Bolster
lyric geode
It feels to have good uptime
ionic fern
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lyric geode
Ok, I get it.
ionic fern
Do you feel my dissapointment?
lyric geode
I feel it.
lyric geode
Anger management then.
ionic fern
You should have more than enough SB up-time when Charging/Intervening properly.
sweet summit
AM is a huge dps increase
ionic fern
If you really-really are worried about your SB up-time then you should run HR instead of Bolster.
But generally i would say 99% go for AM.
And swap to Korayn.
lyric geode
Ok
strong forum
Korea owns for keys
lyric geode
Icy-veins is a bit tricky on prot warriors.
ionic fern
<@238357283996696576> idk. Isnt logs on raids?
You can also log m+.
Explain.
Maybe i can help shine some light on some of the tricky parts.
And then inform the writer that they should change something up to be better understood.
👍
sweet summit
dawn canyon
Korea owns for keys
glacial skiff
Is Korayn outperforming mikanikos this season?
lyric geode
Bolster is the best option on the row if you are going for a more defensive setup. The extra Shield Block Icon Shield Block uptime it provides helps us cover our Shield Block gaps, making our damage intake a lot smoother overall.
glacial skiff
I considered trying necro but i don’t have a consistent group to know if banner is worthwhile for them
ionic fern
That's from the talent page
glacial skiff
Bolster is the best option on the row if you are going for a more defensive setu...
I think that’s either outdated info, or talents without leggos etc
ionic fern
It doesn't take Legendaries into consideration
Just talent explanation.
If you take a look at the M+ page
lyric geode
Okay
woeful trellis
Bolster is the best option on the row if you are going for a more defensive setu...
Its for casuals
sweet summit
I considered trying necro but i don’t have a consistent group to know if banner ...
necro feels good regardless, but it's less dps if you miss/misstime it
ionic fern
Okay
But i will let the writer know to add a nice disclaimer on the top that the information in the Talent page is without considering Legendaries.
glacial skiff
I kinda figured. I also feel like I’m usually playing with at least one carry when tanking so I’d essentially be squandering that buff
lyric geode
I see, thanks guys!
glacial skiff
Plus I do solid damage as prot since I tank like and am a dps main lol
west walrus
I am looking forward to playing with Kevin
lyric geode
Niya is the most offensive option of the choices. Grove Invigoration Icon Grove Invigoration will provide us with some extra Mastery and Health. Is this updated? Or is it not true about picking Niya?
lyric geode
But i will let the writer know to add a nice disclaimer on the top that the info...
Nice!
lyric geode
Okay, I am convinced
ionic fern
Great.
lyric geode
Will it increase my dmg significantly, though?
ionic fern
Not as much as playing correctly.
But swapping from Niya to Korayn and Bolster to AM will provide you with more damage.
ionic fern
Next step would be logging a m+ run.
Then we can dig deeper into your casts/performance.
lyric geode
I will learn how to do it.
ionic fern
Exactly the same as logging a raid.
lyric geode
Still doesnt know, i expect from raid party to do the work.
But, I am intrigued by all of this.
lyric geode
Still, a grand thank you! I will get better!
sweet summit
based attitude
lyric geode
I am a diligent person, if I am passioned by it.
And I try to do my best with the friends I am playing with, my cousins and friends.
dusky sentinel
Sometimes this information comes as a slap cause hey! We all pro's 
@lyric geode But bare with em. Knowledge is key! For timing a key ;)
lyric geode
I will inform my group about all of this. Logs are important.
uncut notch
Can we talk about DoS for a min pls
The ring mobs.
I get the absolute shit kicked out of me every time
sweet summit
same
uncut notch
the rest of the dungeon is absolute piss by comparison
I can do huge arden pulls no sweat at all
but those ring mobs just fucking delete me
amber herald
lyric geode
You mean the casters?
uncut notch
You mean the casters?
Literally any of the packs i'm on life support
I can usually survive pull 1 by emptying my toolkit but then im fucked for pull 2
lyric geode
Ah, I have my team bl on this pack. I know it is ineffective, but it is safe.
amber herald
a lot of the melee mobs do magic damage too I think
sweet summit
we blow everything pull1 then go straight to ardenweald
after boss u have cds again for scary pull outside ardenweald
uncut notch
I know hurrrrr prot bad but ive never seen ppal or Gdruid have anything close to as much trouble as they give me
I'm a fairly "okay" player too like it shouldnt be this rough
So im here for copium
mental scarab
ionic fern
I know hurrrrr prot bad but ive never seen ppal or Gdruid have anything close to...
Those packs are so group reliant it's not even funny.
Druid/Pally have more utility to deal with them..e.g stupid broken legendaries or infinity interrupts.
I've had packs on a +13 hurt more than packs on a +19 because people are mongo and don't interrupt.
NF is actually a really solid choice for DoS just because of those packs.
😂
uncut notch
NF is actually a really solid choice for DoS just because of those packs.
shockwave and AA, not thought of that....
thats a lot of utility
sweet summit
doesn't stop deathspeaker cast
uncut notch
Buffs on weds should help a bit tho
ionic fern
Agreed.
lament musk
Most unfun affix
uncut notch
remove inspiring
that one pack in NW too
lament musk
Delete it
lyric geode
Nuke inspiring.
lyric geode
i use orb there.
sweet summit
ya i don't play that necromancer pack
uncut notch
fucking bants from blizz
sweet summit
but i feel u
uncut notch
tbf tho aside from DoS and that pack this week has been pretty easy
got most of the progress to my KSM done, i'll get it on reset next week
Necrotic Tyr is nice too
lyric geode
I feel Tyr is for push weeks, fortified is more punishing.
uncut notch
I feel Tyr is for push weeks, fortified is more punishing.
Yeah Tyr has always been the easy side of the coin
oblique heath
Quick question, with up coming puffs to Prot was Wars a a whole, do you think buffs + tier will help Wars with DMG and staying alive or are we sill bottom tier?
uncut notch
Personally i think they need to get rid of Tyr/Fort and just have proper tuning
ionic fern
Quick question, with up coming puffs to Prot was Wars a a whole, do you think bu...
The buffs are fully defensive. offensively we are already in a solid spot.
uncut notch
Quick question, with up coming puffs to Prot was Wars a a whole, do you think bu...
My experience has been fairly competitive damage wise, but survivability has been a bit lacking
lyric geode
Personally, I prefer skittish than Inspiring.
ionic fern
Our ST is near (slightly behind) other tanks and so is AoE (outside of Gdruid).
oblique heath
Okay thank you for the response, I'll keep my head up
ionic fern
👍
ionic fern
DoS and PF
PF is chill.
lyric geode
PF is just weird, that is all. I expect a bit too much maybe.
sweet summit
is that true? I haven't played for a bit
fortified has always been harder on the tank compared to tyrannical
amber herald
yeah, people were saying for pushing though
ionic fern
fortified has always been harder on the tank compared to tyrannical
Tyrannical was the real show stopper before tho thanks to stupidly overtuned boss mechanics one shotting people.
sweet summit
yeah true
i feel like it's pretty even now though
ionic fern
Jeah, the boss design is better.
The RNG deaths in Legion/BfA dungeons were hilarious.
In high tyrannical keys.
sweet summit
they also directly nerfed tyrannical
strong forum
Both weeks are push weeks now
It all depends on the other affixes
Fort is harder on the tank, tyr is harder on the dps
uncut notch
My favorite is NW and SD
NW SD TOP all goated, DOS After ring mobs is fun
PF is slow i feel tho - mechanical trash makes it hard to double or triple pull like you can in other dungeons
sweet summit
PF is super fast, but feels slow
strong forum
Timing pf is legit just
Hold W
Pull 1, max 2 packs
Then hold more W
GG
You timed it
uncut notch
Pull 1, max 2 packs
I think the only double i actually do is the big giant guy into a pack of mushrooms at the start
then its just onepack the whole way round
uncut notch
skip start
never seen the point honestly
strong forum
You double pull between 1st and 2nd boss
uncut notch
I did PF19 and skipped it, and didnt feel it was much faster
sweet summit
terrible mobs and inefficient pulls
uncut notch
didnt feel easier either
I also remained largely unconvinced by the DoS power gathering strat in S2
ionic fern
skip start
I never do that because pug's are horrid. 9/10 times someone still pulls something somehow.
Same as the ToP start.
😂
sweet summit
play with better pugs
ionic fern
Imagine.
sweet summit
uncut notch
Same as the ToP start.
So so so many dead rogues and druids running ahead of me
And getting onebombed by the bloodhorn
uncut notch
Besides Lust timings
It allows you to use boss RP time
As opposed to using your actual time
strong forum
No I mean on PF
uncut notch
Oh
strong forum
On top I fully understand
uncut notch
Yeah I agree I’ve never seen much benefit in it
ionic fern
I mean..the thrash is kinda horrid in PF. People don't interrupt/Stun etc.
ANd it can go to hell real fast.
uncut notch
There are like 3 kicks
ionic fern
Compared to the rest of the dungeon.
uncut notch
If you manage that you’re laughing
I think a lot of the time tho people watch MDI strats that are super specific to a team, comp or strat and assume that’s the baseline requirement for timing it
Realistically you can time anything by just pressing w, it’s just risk management
ionic fern
Jeah, i love DPS players trying to encourage MDI pulls and then proceed to do less DPS than the tank.
strong forum
Idk I also always found shrooms easy, just need 3 stuns and a few kicks and you're Gucci
Good %
sweet summit
yeah MDI puts an unrealistic picture of keys in peoples heads
ionic fern
Are you R1 yet Erga?
uncut notch
Do you want to risk an invis skip as a potential gain vs the potential loss of it going wrong?
I had a mists 17 blow up in my face the other day
sweet summit
no mwahi, i'm bad
uncut notch
Didn’t bring a fae, massive Wo skip off the start
Paladin died and released
No way of getting him back to us at the gorms
Game over
ancient ore
So prot is getting a buff tomorrow
strong forum
Yes
ancient ore
Cool
strong forum
uncut notch
I really expected a question there hahahah
ancient ore
XD
sweet summit
median tulip
I love getting declined for 15 ToP when I have timed 18s this week already
"but prot war bad"
strong forum
:)
west walrus
There is a lot of competition in 15s
I like when in ToP, people keep telling me it is impossible to not pull Bloodhorn
median tulip
Honestly for a 15 ToP, I just keep it simple. The only skip I bother with is the fat lad in the side chamber on the way to Gorechop
pallid musk
Is NF all best recommendation for protection?
I mean, so we deal with interrupt
And giving dps more room to brust
orchid frigate
I like when in ToP, people keep telling me it is impossible to not pull Bloodhor...
how do you not pull it? 😦
i usually want to pull it. but still interested 🙂
rugged mural
Door of shadows/heroic leap/lock portal around the corner maybe? Just a guess as I’ve never seen it.
orchid frigate
mind soothe?
mellow bridge
you can just walk past it if you hug the wall properly
west walrus
Just walk on the side, near guards, dont be hit
I usually wait before pulling it into bosses
orchid frigate
sounds like a too delicate thing for a pug to handle
west walrus
I find it fun :D
orchid frigate
🙂
is it the same with the mini boss in NW? i usually leap by but maybe thats not needed?
lofty widget
you can technically walk past but its suuuper tight
autumn pendant
no mwahi, i'm bad
Such a blatant lie
strong forum
There are no good tanks
autumn pendant
sweet summit
median tulip
Is NF all best recommendation for protection?
For Protection Warrior, the only real rule on Covs is "don't be Venthyr"
deft hinge
There are no good tanks
maybe, but after seeing ppals doing +20 no healer, healing self and group trough all dungs easily
strong forum
You don't get what I meant
deft hinge
guess u guys talked about real tanks 😅
strong forum
We talked about the player
There are no good tank players
"you either die to shit tanks, or live long enough to become the shit tank yourself"
That's the law
strong forum
maybe, but after seeing ppals doing +20 no healer, healing self and group trough...
And BTW pallies have been doing that in every expansion that m+ existed
Zmok did plenty of no healer runs in bfa
deft hinge
i feel even if we get +10% vanguard we wont come up to even rival them, but what do i know
strong forum
People even did a pwar no healer run +26 in bfa
blazing condor
Im a good tank 😎
deft hinge
i saw prot run bfa, they had ppal tank in group to heal once in a while, rest were pwarrs
blazing condor
Ive decided i am
strong forum
I mean we did 5 pwar runs
In SL
During grievous and necrotic
And it was super smooth
deft hinge
5 tanks ye, but that dont compare to tank alone doing it all. but ye anyway
strong forum
With 4 dps everything dies omega quickly
So nobody takes alot of dmg
And if you take a boomkin and a warlock with you, that's 2 targets that don't need healing and provide healing to others aswell
crystal iris
Or venth enhance
strong forum
Ye
crystal iris
Alright got my reprisal refracted, time to try prot again
So necro is the most defensive, NF the most useful and kyrian the most damage right?
Also what do you guys do for intervene? I have a macro for mouseover intervene or charge my target, but maybe focus target intervene would be easier, just not sure how that would work without having another keybind
also I use focus for kicks
strong forum
If you want to have both focus and mouseover it's gonna take 2 buttons, or 2 different button combinations anyway
Kyrian / NF are practically the same dmg, both have their merits.
Spear tether is awesome to stop leap Bois to leap or kite stuff without having mobs all over the place
NF is great because of first strike and the knockdown can be really useful to keep caster packs knocked down
median tulip
Also what do you guys do for intervene? I have a macro for mouseover intervene o...
This is my Intervene macro; I set a melee (usually my pumper Fury Warrior friend) as focus:
/cast [@mouseover, help, nodead, exists][@mouseovertarget, help, nodead, exists][@focus, help, nodead, exists][target=targettarget, help, nodead, exists][]Intervene
For interrupts I just use a mouseover macro and of course Plater with no overlap turned on
orchid frigate
i do not appreciate leap bois
median tulip
i do not appreciate leap bois
in ToP?
orchid frigate
or NW
median tulip
Try the cats in Streets, they are nasty too xD
orchid frigate
Try the cats in Streets, they are nasty too xD
😦
wild hemlock
number buff looking juicy, boys
crystal iris
For those first 2 pulls
why the first 2?
tropic linden
Those damn casters
crystal iris
Im usually running for my life at that point anyway
strong forum
DoS pulls aren't hard because of the casters
They are because of the small skeletons
And their attacks are melee range instant magic dmg nukes
So kyrian is actually better because of the tether
safe thistle
They are not in the first pull though.
tropic linden
That's why i'm a dwarf
safe thistle
Just have a healer that can dispel disease
crystal iris
BiS race lol
strong forum
Dwarf/did will be bis yes
crystal iris
stoneform is lovely
limber sky
kyrian or necrolord?????
crystal iris
necro for tankyness, kyrian for all around / dps
in big packs when ive got spear and ravager down and im blasting revenges to dump as much rage as I can, when do I prioritize SS procs over revenge?
crystal iris
I often find myself with a ton of rage even with SB, IP up and revenge spamming, so then i see SS light up and its like damn do i use this and overcap on rage or wait until I need it and keep revenge spamming?
sweet summit
IP
crystal iris
Also petition to remove Demo Shouts GCD
crystal iris
IP
youre a madman im going over your halls +23 log cant believe you went for shard pull
lime urchin
Wait we can see erga’s logs?? Link pls!
strong forum
sweet summit
it hurt
lime urchin
Still good to look and learn for the plebs
sweet summit
that's probably me using TC for aggro at the start of a pull
crystal iris
yeah its right at the start of first pull
sweet summit
first pull isn't too bad
crystal iris
+23 shard pull on fort week
sweet summit
that's just trying to not overcap rage
crystal iris
guess it depends on group, My pug DPS usually just blast on first pull and dont think to kick other than collect sins
crystal iris
Reflect collect sins
I try but with the bolts going out and everything else going on not easy
deft hinge
so collect sins is always on tank?
sweet summit
on person with aggro
strong forum
Should be
deft hinge
kk
strong forum
The curses are on dps