and didn't even see they were at 54%
#protection
cinder nova
waxen orbit
For fights like Anduin with 4pc you can get 100% uptime
cinder nova
I cry every time
waxen orbit
In keys (22 range) I’ve been maintaining ~90% uptime over the course of the key (not including time out of combat)
cinder nova
If you factor out of combat it's still like 50-60%
cinder nova
which is still kinda whack
BIS is Unity on helm, but non-ideal 4p configs can force it on belt or wrist.
Rep on feet always
waxen orbit
ok so whats the jist again?
unity on belt + rep on feet?
Rep on feet, unity on belt until you get all 5 tier slots, at which point you put unity on helmet
blazing condor
thank
cinder nova
I will also say that while Kyr probably will shine more the higher keys are being done, NL feels cashmunny atm because of all the extra rage and between the defensive benefits of the NL tree and Undulating Movements
You feel like a completely different tank.
Only thing that'll still plow you over is huge magic burst like HOA obliterators
Everything else is just
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dawn canyon
Nf will gain some damage once they fix the Lego
inland wasp
so little late to the party but the new prot buffs seem promissing
cinder nova
They aren't fixing any major issues endemic with the spec
But nobody will say no to more mit
inland wasp
thats kinda what im thinkin. like kool more mitigation and you made IP slightly better then garbage
cinder nova
Not really. It's better, yeah, but polish a turd it's still a turd.
Hasn't even moved the needle on its role as a perfunctory rage dump
inland wasp
yeah, i guess it kinda makes the free one with our tier better? bout it
cinder nova
Yeah. I think the biggest change is the uhhh... SR changes
urban portal
the biggest buff is the vanguard buffs
cinder nova
But that's only going to be noticeable in PVP
urban portal
5% damage for free is insane
cinder nova
And prot PVP lmao
inland wasp
yeah the vangard is a good change
cinder nova
We DH now boiz
urban portal
5% reduced damage
inland wasp
demo shout getting slightly stronger wasnt bad either. we alrdy build to use on CD
cinder nova
I predict that despite these many small changes people are gonna complain somehow about warriors suddenly being unkillable juggernauts
sweet summit
inland wasp
i mean it does make us more tanky if only slightly
cinder nova
kek
blazing condor
actually true
inland wasp
if it doesnt get used up instantly like usual
blazing condor
SR buff is big
waxen orbit
Still waiting on them to segregate the reflect and DR
One day
Maybe when Mike rerolls prot
cinder nova
if he does then he'll make sure they're OP
@waxen orbit go to his twitter and neg him into playing prot s4
mighty valley
catchup gear for alts
blazing condor
any way now to get soul cinders fast?
forgot i needed it to craft a new lego
smile
nvm you get loads from torgh
strong forum
i have no idea how much gold i have left
torpid junco
Why would you do unity on helm. It’s a haste vers tier slot
Wouldn’t you do gloves assuming you have all 5 tier
strong forum
more stats > better stats
strong forum
rygelon drops 285 gloves, nobody drops 285 helmet, so 291 leggo gives you the most stats on helm slot
sinful stone
you cant use rygelon gloves and leggo helm
sinful stone
math not your strong subject
strong forum
the stat gain from using tier gloves vs tier helmet
is better to use leggo on helmet
sinful stone
helm has more stat budget, so the idea is that going to 291 helm from 278 hellm is more stats than 291 gloves from 278 gloves
strong forum
yes
strong forum
rygelon drops 285 gloves, nobody drops 285 helmet, so 291 leggo gives you the mo...
i forgot there that rygelon gloves arent tier
yes unity changes based on cov
thats the whole point
blazing condor
zereth mortis wormhole when
mighty cairn
try to int your keys so community perception remains low for more buffs
strong forum
shame that those buffs arent iny et
latent pier
I'm liking necro a lot for war.
only thing that sucks is swapping for fury.
I mean yeah but it's just an annoying step to do every so often
crystal iris
Prot would be offspec for me and Ive got anduin helmet, should I just craft reprisal on boots and save myself the trouble?
blazing condor
rep should be on boots 
crystal iris
oh you guys meant unity on helm?
blazing condor
ye
crystal iris
eh I might eventually, but I mean mythic anduin prog will happen before mythic lords / ryg so im more likely to get that helmet first
or is that made obsolete with tier crafting coming week 8?
urban portal
Red bull
manic root
@shell fox do the campaign and you get it
blazing condor
you need more achis done
strong forum
0.6% wipe
blazing condor
Liquid officially calling the race
throwing in the towel
their players feel like shit (understandably after playing all day for 4 weeks)
and echo is clearly better on jailer and about to kill it
GGs i guess
chrome falcon
i can't even play this game for 6 hours a day for a week so don't blame them
tier must have been horrible and their venue doesn't seem great
blazing condor
idk if it was the raid or the way the raid was put out
but yeah it felt hella long and dragged out
blazing condor
Method WF 
strong forum
god no
chrome falcon
raid is just way too hard
blazing condor
they dont have Kungen
chrome falcon
tuning is totally fucked because of the double legendary thing
blazing condor
i mean it kinda had to be tuned for 4p and double leggo
strong forum
bro kungen is literally more than dead to me
blazing condor
or it would just be a stomp
strong forum
i dont even wanna meme him anymore
blazing condor
but yeah it fucks the rwf raiders
strong forum
the idiot is fucking antivax
chrome falcon
yeah so double leggo should just have been a thing forever
strong forum
yes...
blazing condor
but i dont doubt it
blazing condor
weirdge
blazing condor
😐
strong forum
literally not even worth to meme him anymore
blazing condor
honestly
same
9.0 bfa i was kinda banging
raid-wise it was 9.1/9.1.5
ive always been a m+ dude tho
crystal iris
what amount of haste do you guys like?
I know I know, stats dont matter
but ive got all these at very similar ilvl
strong forum
i dont like to be below 25% haste
but with tier and double leggo you want as much as you can get
crystal iris
it would be mostly M+ (almost only)
blazing condor
idk all of those rings but i'd probably run death god signet and something else
strong forum
yes
crystal iris
stichflesh (haste vers)
I thought mastery wasnt great? Ive got haste crit rings vs death gods that is haste mast
strong forum
whatever gets you the most haste
crystal iris
ouh and this
blazing condor
but yeah
strong forum
dont do this ring
crystal iris
wish the leech was on a haste one tho
strong forum
play haste/vers haste/crit rings
sturdy sable
Or crit vers if your High haste already and feeling spicy
crystal iris
perfect
crystal iris
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
actually nvm death gods is 265 lol
crystal iris
32%
blazing condor
but idk maybe that 48 extra vers rating will help you push top keys
blazing condor
aim for haste
but if you got a ring thats high asf in ilvl then they could be better
cus eventually more stats > right stats
crystal iris
youre right, when equipping both 265 rings my haste is still 27% so that should be fine
ya
I aggree
Now I just need to find a blacksmith
blazing condor
don't focus too much on your secondary stats
crystal iris
had reprisal on legs that wont do
blazing condor
try and get what you can but if not thenit doesnt matter
crystal iris
I put on as high ilvl as I can, then tinker with rings / similar ilvl gear
you arent saying anything that merits a response?
cool
blazing condor
35% is good
blazing condor
welcome to the club
chrome falcon
just kill the fucking boss man
blazing condor
they're edging me
🔵 🔵
they're 0.6%
might as well kill
they got the fight already and im sure they all just wanna get it over with lol
crystal iris
I mean if they wanted to they could sleep for a full day and just kill it tomrrow still got plenty of time
strong forum
liquid called it
crystal iris
bit odd that liquid sees a .6% pull and calls it there
blazing condor
then go to bed knowing i won't have to do it tomorrow
strong forum
bit odd that liquid sees a .6% pull and calls it there
they lost a few people of their main roster and theyre legit an entire phase behind
blazing condor
well i mean their players feel like shit, morale is down, and they see echo already having won
they're nowhere near
might as well call it
crystal iris
Idk its a wierd move
blazing condor
i can see it being "weird" in the sense that it ruins the "race"
for echo and stuff
knowing they just quit
crystal iris
Would have been a lot chiller to just not say anything, wait 30 minutes and then congratulate echo for winning
blazing condor
but i mean does it really make a difference
crystal iris
instead of seeing a .6% pull and announcing that youre done
strong forum
everybody knows that echo alread won
when they saw echo at 0.6%
and liquid only hit p4 once
like breh
thats not a race
waxen cradle
overall has anyone ran the numbers on where the buffs leave as such in a flat % damage reduction gain ?
crystal iris
Im saying they should have just not said anything about calling it. Would have been more sportsmanlike to call a break on the stream, go for dinner or just chill and then when echo kills it then its over idk
I guess its not a big thing. Im sure they are all mentally exausted and probably very frustrated
blazing condor
wouldn't really be genuine
if they took a long ass break
and just wait it out
but i get it
crystal iris
I fully understand they must be completly drained but you wouldnt want to see it as "well echo is so close to killing it and winning we give up"
waxen cradle
just wondering where it leaves us in terms of where our "community" perceived weaknesses, and I say that with a HUGE grain of salt as well there were few in anything outside of those who WF push/top 100 if even that
chrome falcon
How is it unsportsmanlike to announce when you're bowing out of a race
rugged mural
Still haven't pulled from vault. Got tier chest from raid so not taking the 278 chest. Have a 278 crit/haste ring and a 278 crit/vers neck. Any good way to make a decision for tanking M+?
chrome falcon
🤔
crystal iris
How is it unsportsmanlike to announce when you're bowing out of a race
They didnt say they were bowing out they said they were done to preserve their mental health and get some rest
chrome falcon
It's not like they're going to start again when echo wins, they're literally stopping for multiple days
That's the same thing?
strong forum
just wondering where it leaves us in terms of where our "community" perceived we...
its moreso "we're exhausted, this has been going on for too long, 1 of the tanks had to leave already, we want to go home"
chrome falcon
^
crystal iris
ya its 100% understandable
chrome falcon
This race basically ended when one of their best players had to quit
And they had to train a dps main to tank this shit
waxen cradle
ah ok
chrome falcon
Not to say that echo aren't the better players
crystal iris
I think they are all basically on the same skill level
almost a mental fortitude test at this point
chrome falcon
Yeah no-one plans for it to go past 2 weeks
strong forum
theyve been at it since february
chrome falcon
Liquid's hotel time ran out and they had to hog the convention hall when another event was meant to start
waxen cradle
not been watching so much it had come down to Echo and who else ?
crystal iris
Idk how I feel about this either tbh
chrome falcon
He's not saying blizz has to improve it
He's saying they have to improve their long-term sleep schedules
waxen cradle
If nothing else it has been interesting to see the race get shaken up for the first time in a while and there not be a pretty obvious winner within a week
crystal iris
I just dont like the idea of raid designed around RWF
chrome falcon
Echo and Liquid were both simultaneously pulling both denathrius and sylvanas to sub 5%
Both of the last 2 races have been giga close
crystal iris
like there isnt a problem with a raid designed around tier and double leggos, so if RWF takes a longer time beacuse they dont have that extra power then so be it
or give us all the extra power right away
chrome falcon
Raid isn't designed around RWF, 99.9% of raiders aren't going to see these bosses like this
crystal iris
ya
strong forum
I just dont like the idea of raid designed around RWF
well it kinda isnt, its just that this tier is unnaturally hard
chrome falcon
But yeah we should all have all the power straight away
Stupid not to have done that
Caused themselves and the playerbase problems for absolutely zero reason
strong forum
this whole splits degeneracy and stuff legit doesnt affect anyone but top 10/20 guilds
crystal iris
well it kinda isnt, its just that this tier is unnaturally hard
I mean... Everyone was freaking out about how hard heroic raid was at the start of the tier. Now with 2x leggos more ilvl and tier heroic is a joke until anduin
A joke like, skipping mechanics and phases bc were pushing too much dam
crystal iris
I dont think they should have nerfed the raid until at least this / next week
strong forum
but double leggo releasing randomly at week X just shouldnt be
crystal iris
no HC anduin needed those nerfs
the mechanics maybe, but the HP?
urban portal
hp did not need a nerf
sure the adds could walk slower
since not every pug has the cc
waxen cradle
them locking double leggos behind X weeks into the patch feels like just a way to draw out the content
mighty valley
I think it's cool to have a hard final raid that stands for a long time, there just hasn't been one since the RWF turned into this level of event so it wasn't planned for
strong forum
condensed
waxen cradle
And I dont even know how to feel about the announcement for season 4 content.... maybe I am looking at it the wrong way but it feels like a kind of "oh shit the player base is going to not have enough to do guys come up with something to keep them busy until our new expac is ready"
strong forum
yes
crystal iris
its like 20% of our dmg in raid
if I have rage to spare ya, what abot M+
tame valley
is 85% shield block uptime good for a m+ or do i need more
crystal iris
is 85% shield block uptime good for a m+ or do i need more
you should look at melees block % unstead
mighty valley
And I dont even know how to feel about the announcement for season 4 content.......
yes, and we'll have to see how they execute it, but it's better than the alternative of a year with nothing changing
tame valley
you should look at melees block % unstead
how do i find that
strong forum
logs
nimble plover
Are the prot warrior buffs significant at all?
crystal iris
yeah you have to run logs, then damage taken, hover over melee and youll see blocked hits
strong forum
the buffs are pretty big
mighty valley
yes. they won't make us fotm but they're strong
crystal iris
Are the prot warrior buffs significant at all?
ya BiS tank now
its right there in the pins 🙂
nimble plover
I havent played prot warrior for years, and i mostly do m+ these days. Ive always thought prot was rather fun so i was more wondering from an m+ PoV
mighty valley
we're harder to play than other tanks in m+ generally but can push hard
strong forum
M+
tame valley
ok i just uploaded the log for my run, where do i find the melee block percentage
mighty valley
we have a bad rep in the community so it's sometimes hard to get accepted to pugs but we can do it all
urban portal
damage taken melee
safe thistle
spectrometer aint better than retrofitting ?
urban portal
hover over it
strong forum
spectrometer aint better than retrofitting ?
not in m+
nimble plover
I think what is lacking is an effective way of pulling several packs in a reliable way as prot? Its what ive felt compared to say just swiping as druid
strong forum
retrofitting is broken in m+
latent pier
And I dont even know how to feel about the announcement for season 4 content.......
I like the idea behind actually making use of assets and not just throwaway content we will never use again after current patch.
WoW needs more evergreen content, it's a good start.
strong forum
spectrometer aint better than retrofitting ?
its legit over 300hps
way better than the god awful spectrometer in m+
spectro is only a slight bit of ST dmg, good in raid, but terrible in m+
chrome falcon
And I dont even know how to feel about the announcement for season 4 content.......
yeah that's literally exactly what it is, but what's the alternative? 10.0 needs to be good so if blizz can buy themselves some more time with this, that's ok
safe thistle
https://i.imgur.com/DRbA34D.png
hmmmm thanks i thoug retro git nerfed
strong forum
spectro is much more flavour than use
safe thistle
guesa ive just becamoe tankier in m+
crystal iris
Kyrian still mostly the play right? How is necro in keys?
safe thistle
i would go NF on caster based dungeon though
strong forum
necro is very defensive
waxen cradle
still like NFae on any heavy caster dungeon and for me this week I prefer NFae
strong forum
GG
crystal iris
wwoooooow nice
safe thistle
there were 3 fury war
1 rogue and 1 enhance
man they were all 270 + ilvl show how the race was long haha
old idol
can someone explain why is NF the go to against magic damage?
safe thistle
not agaisnt magic dmg but agaisnt heavy caster instance its better than kyrian because AFS silence. just a minor positive thing.
strong forum
it knocks down*
safe thistle
sorry 😛
strong forum
NF is the choice because it can lock down an entire pack for 12 seconds
safe thistle
with belt it increased the duration i believe
old idol
ahh the knockdown got it
strong forum
thats the main reason
urban portal
with belt it increased the duration i believe
1 extra knock
latent pier
What's a good, detailed but not overly in the way spell reflect wa?
stiff bear
Anyone tanking as Necro that could give some tips on soulbind/conduits? Reached 3k as dps now so gonna do some weekly tanking for guildies and feel i might as well buff some boys while doing it 😄
stiff bear
thanks!
young badge
yowtf.... seems fkin impossible to survive the packs in front of each wing in DoS
what the hell am i supposed to do there???
this week
strong forum
Don't be in melee range of the small skeletons
Their magic tank buster is a 1y range instant melee nuke
strong forum
No just barely outside of range
You can tank a bit with CDs
If stuff isn't dying you have to start walking
You just have to
young badge
i see...
mighty valley
on the caster ones it's really about good kicks/spell reflects
strong forum
Yeah and the inspiring has to Die instantly
Otherwise shadowcore will tear you 14 new ones
young badge
joined a +17 expecting easy time, insp didnt die and i got fked hard
chrome falcon
shadowcore the hardest hitting kick/reflectable tankbuster in the expansion i think?
trim cove
the scythe on ToP endboss is also digusting if you dont have spellreflect rdy
strong forum
Well starting next reset you can reflect every single one!
lime urchin
\o/
radiant magnet
yep
latent pier
Internally tested totally
sick sentinel
heyyy i remember getting invites to uhh whatever that ghuun place was cuz i had MS and in lfr would just invalidate that one boss where he like eats adds and does a frontal and if you do it wrong he heals
MS is disgusting lol
dawn canyon
fettid devourer
cinder dirge
yowtf.... seems fkin impossible to survive the packs in front of each wing in Do...
play necrolord
viral flume
How does necro work with prot
viral flume
I've never played necro warr, and I thought it just gave mastery (which I was led to believe is a bad stat)
For prot^
cinder nova
There's a conduit called Veteran's Repute that gives like 23% STR while banner is up
And if you're not a geed with 2p or 4p you can have 70-100% uptime on banner
Plus Marelith has some 💯 base abilities in his bind that make mitigation nice
misty marsh
I mean the signature ability is good for every tank at the beginning of every boss or during downtime, no?
chrome falcon
23% str is massive defensively
imagine if you could wear like 3 more pieces of chest armour
urban portal
I've never played necro warr, and I thought it just gave mastery (which I was le...
if you have enough of secondary stat it becomes good
applies to any spec
cinder nova
Plus banner gives 4 rage every 1 sec or whatever
Which is massive if you have good uptime
You use 2p/4p to rage so you can get rage while you rage
you feel me?
viral flume
Das a lot of rage
cinder nova
Yeah, the entire purpose of NL is to just juice the extra rage we get by getting value through banner, which through Veteran's Repute, gives a massive bonus in damage and defense.
limpid lion
If Shield Block is a 100% added block chance, why do i still take damage (this is a very dumb question but I would like to understand the logic better)
limpid lion
Isn't block just a DR?
chrome falcon
no
limpid lion
then what does block actually do
chrome falcon
30% DR on a base block, 60% DR on a crit block (mastery)
limpid lion
so it's DR on blocked attacks?
limpid lion
is there an ICD on blocking?
chrome falcon
no
limpid lion
So then what's the point of crit blocking when Shield Block is up if Shield Block is 100% added block
chrome falcon
30% DR on a base block, 60% DR on a crit block (mastery)
limpid lion
oh wait shield block increases the chance not the dr
limpid lion
so basically shield block makes it so all blockable attacks are just mitigated
cinder dirge
Necrolords is super good only when you have 2p or even 4p so you can use anger management.
That way your avatar uptime (which reduce dmg taken by 10% with 4p) will go up.
Your shieldwall 50% Dmg reduction CD will go down drastically (around 1min30 sec CD when play necrolord) so you can use it almost every pull (not counting urrh)
Fleshcraft gives you 20% dmg reduction huge shield (depending if you combined it with last stand or not), you can't get CC while cahnneling it with marileth soulbind every 2min (not counting urrh)
Banner gives you 23% strength as long as you keep it increasing your dmg AND your armor
In other words, you can't die unless you fkd up
chrome falcon
you got it
placid hatch
guys just switched to prot, i have 2pc but one of them is in the legs is it too bad to craft the intervene legendary on boots?
hollow hill
Actually it's recommended to put Reprisal on boots now so you are all good!
maiden ravine
Str is parry for warriors is it not?
oh wait, just straight up armor
23% str is giving yourself 10% more armor.
mighty valley
Crit gives parry
maiden ravine
yeah, I was getting it mixed up with the armor and how agi gives dodge to druid, brm, and dh
I know DK and Paladin AM scales with STR, but I don't think it's as direct as 1 str = 1 armor
unkempt trout
how much uptime do you have on banner with 4p
maiden ravine
it's near 100%
I've heard stories of some people pressing it again just to reactivate Plaguey
unkempt trout
is necro better defensively than kyrian
maiden ravine
I'll let smarter people than me answer that, but "defensively" is hard to measure.
cinder dirge
It's worlds apart
kyr and nf are for aoe dmg and no threat problem but lack survability
Necro is an immortal god
I just tanked a sanguine +20 taking triple pack early
Couldn't die
Had shield wall at the beginning and at the end of the pack thanks to urh.
And banner that gives tons of rage + anger management that reduces shield wall CD everytime you spend 10 rage
worn basalt
veve is that with 2/4pc tier?
unkempt trout
any necro warriors that stream keys?
sand drum
any necro warriors that stream keys?
https://www.twitch.tv/plkatv :> probly some in a pin somewhere :>
dark lark
I just tanked a sanguine +20 taking triple pack early
Did you rally last stand fleshcraft before the key started? You get a ton of absorb by doing that
My biggest problem with doing that triple pull is melee dying to traps and thrusts (which I aim at the wall) because urh is such a fatass 
mighty valley
yeah I like this affix overall now but my biggest criticism is it just fills the screen with shit
scenic mural
any necro warriors that stream keys?
Tattman does regularly
latent pier
Isn't tatt mostly night fae
maiden ravine
yeah I like this affix overall now but my biggest criticism is it just fills the...
I'm so glad the other two vanish once you kill one. Blizzard needs to be smacked for thinking adding 3 big glowy things to every boss was a good idea. 😄
mighty valley
my introduction to it was theater of pain first boss, on explosive week
just a bazillion health bars clogging up the screen
and that was before it changed
scenic mural
Isn't tatt mostly night fae
Didnt see the necro part in there lol
latent pier
i was just curious if it was nose for trouble or memes
my lock is a vulp so I can't judge
safe thistle
? Elaborate
scenic mural
there is a listing for 13 spires and the title says "note tier", with the part lead being 1800io LMAO
cinder nova
oofies
maiden ravine
SEE, that's why I wish the creation catalyst was here already
magic mulch
maybe now that mythic jailer is done, they will release it earlier
mighty valley
"the game would be better if i got gear faster" - every player, no matter the gear design
urban portal
ye
its like
by the end of the tier you have bis gear just from vault
yet there are plenty of guilds that arent CE
mighty valley
pug players are gonna gatekeep no matter what
having things to chase and hitting power spikes is fun
urban portal
tbf
you have to gatekeep
you dont know if they are like a CE alt
or some shitter who got carried into aotc
mighty valley
yeah i just don't think they're very good at it
there are plenty of 4p gamers who have no idea how to m+
urban portal
and having bis gear is 2 things
- they make the game easier, since a shitter with 4p is still gonna do more than an average gamer with 0
or 2. they are able to down heroic last 3
mighty valley
or paid to get carried
urban portal
or that
but refer to 1
like im fairly sure gingi with 0 set will do less damage than the say, #100 hunter
mighty valley
sure, but that kinda gatekeeping does hurt players who are good but have been unlucky on tier so far
urban portal
for sure
mighty valley
but i dunno, the true solution is end up with a social group of players who are 1) good and 2) actually like each other
urban portal
yeah
just like in real life, wow is a nepotism based game
the only game thats truly your skill is like starcraft and fighting games
mighty valley
and friends can teach their friends how to get better at the game
urban portal
but who plays those
mighty valley
i play fighting games
but also the online experience is miserable lol
also most fun with people you actually know
rts games died because they're 100% stress all the time
and there's nothing to blame but yourself
mighty valley
just gotta know more people
plush tendon
? Elaborate
The dot man
that fight trucks tanks; and lack of self healing agency makes me sadge
but I did a mist to make myself feel better 🙂
worthy haven
Prot warrior is so hard
Like I run into a pack, demo shout shield block ignore pain, spear
And still get fucking clocked
worthy haven
Yeah but in low keys you can do nothing and survive
naive mauve
Good morning guys 😄
Just to understand. Why is Kyrian actually better compared to NF? Which effect makes Kyr better?
worthy haven
Spear go boom
urban portal
Good morning guys 😄
Just to understand. Why is Kyrian actually better compare...
Both are about equal
Kyrian is better cuz phial is more useful
worthy haven
Also it's much easier to use spear
odd tree
Like I run into a pack, demo shout shield block ignore pain, spear
Ravager > charge > avatar + spear > SB > IP > revenge spam (toss in some rage gen abilties and keep SB rolling with intervene/charge)
Not too hard, does help when your group lays out stuns and interrupts tho
odd tree
Good morning guys 😄
Just to understand. Why is Kyrian actually better compare...
Spear lines up better with CDs and pulls. I start just about every pull with it
mighty valley
Good morning guys 😄
Just to understand. Why is Kyrian actually better compare...
they both have pros and cons. we can go real deep if you want, but you can honestly pick on which color of blue you like better
worthy haven
The opener I understand but the thing is like on my demon Hunter I just hit sigil demon spikes and run away
blazing condor
Get some logs if ur struggling
mighty valley
i don't need to run away on warrior
urban portal
Best part of warrior is when you know you are dead
On dh/bdk/monk you think you can just heal a bit more to tank it
plush tendon
Good morning guys 😄
Just to understand. Why is Kyrian actually better compare...
Both are very close; I like spear more due to it being uncapped and a shorter CD for M+.
blazing condor
year of the spear
mighty valley
is a banner a spear
sweet summit
yes
blazing condor
yanner of the banner
mighty valley
blazing condor
"broken"
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Yo a guildie told me prot were getting changes. Do we know what yet?
blazing condor
yes 🙂
sweet summit
Warrior
Ignore Pain now ignores 55% of the damage (was 50%).
Protection
Demoralizing Shout now reduces the damage enemies deal to you by 25% (was 20%).
Ignore Pain now reduces the cost of Ignore Pain to 35 Rage (was 40 Rage).
Spell Reflection cooldown reduced to 20 seconds (was 25 seconds).
Vanguard reduces all damage taken by 15% (was 10%).
sick sentinel
Tyyyy
blazing condor
now you only need 20% vers
sweet summit
shut up dog
sick sentinel
Lmao
sweet summit
sick sentinel
Okay it seems decent enough
blazing condor
did you also change to summer time today erga
sick sentinel
But wished for more
glacial ivy
I think its pretty good
sweet summit
i haven't changed anything
sweet summit
it's 11.19
sweet summit
real and true
plush tendon
I mean we still lack dps
sweet summit
I mean we still lack dps
idk, we're fairly even with the regular tanks
just not the outlier
plush tendon
In raid, pretty balanced
Keys, prot pumps
Actually, most tanks pump now
But a lot is scenario based; like a bear Druid smacks in DOS ardenweald where they pull everything and it tickles when they have their CDS running; however a prot warrior shreds through the maze is mists
plush tendon
We like 40 second packs of like 5-8 mobs
blazing condor
not to mention you got your CDs up pretty much for every pack
plush tendon
Also, I’m off the BSC train; Booming Voice is now de way
At least when playing reprisal+EM
north rampart
conspiracy theory time, the buffs are just to make up for no analhides aegis
north rampart
Dont listen to the crisis actor above me. a simple /who of sanctum of domination will show the facts main stream activision apologists do not want you to see!
uncut notch
conspiracy theory time, the buffs are just to make up for no analhides aegis
I still use this even tho i only have it at 239 it fucking bangs
blazing condor
tank trinkets this xpac has been kinda wacky
at least raid-wise
people still running 226 splinter at top keys in s2
uncut notch
I got a 278 scale in the vault last week and it was creaamy
blazing condor
aegis being bis since 9.1 release
uncut notch
I've been running 278 scale and ticking sack
Sack absolutely rips, can get up to 400 more dps in certain dungeons
orchid mural
what would you say is the haste break for prot wars? 30%? 35%?
orchid mural
really. so, are you aiming for 40?
blazing condor
you're aiming for main stat
then haste > vers > crit=mastery
and you stop taking haste at 40
orchid mural
will 40 even be possible with tier itemization?
blazing condor
🤷♂️
orchid mural
hmm
currently at ilvl 269, 35% haste, 21% vers. wondering if i should switch out some haste for crit.
orchid mural
mmhmm
blazing condor
on jewlery just go for haste ones
odd nimbus
guys I'm in a complicated situation in which i have to make a new account and start fresh, since i have to do everything from 0 is there any catch up mechanics that i can look forward to?
first time doing this i don't know if i have to do the campaign from 0
strong forum
Uuuuhhh....
You gotta do cov campaign, torghast and the zereth mortis campaign
Rest shouldn't be needed
dawn canyon
After finishing torg
Instead of farming cinders etc
Get the item for 3k flux that gives 5510 ash ans 1650 cinders
strong forum
But man I wouldn't come back to wow if I had to start from 0
All my transmog gone...
odd nimbus
thanks guys
strong forum
For me it's moreso, I don't wanna lose my unobtainables
blazing condor
yeah fo sho
molten night
Can you block auto attacks while in swarm form with the on use trinket from lords?
sweet summit
yes you can
median tulip
guys I'm in a complicated situation in which i have to make a new account and st...
IIRC you have to do the first 3 steps of the Korthia campaign only before it'll give you the ZM access 9.2 questline
cinder dirge
Did you rally last stand fleshcraft before the key started? You get a ton of abs...
@unkempt trout with 4pc
and ye last stand + rallying cry + fleshcraft before key started, had a 90k shield LOL
sweet summit
amber herald
sick sentinel
guys I'm in a complicated situation in which i have to make a new account and st...
8m curious what this guy did to get the bzn hammer lol
sweet summit
i've had similar results with both kyrian and necro. can play whichever you prefer tbh
kyrian being better for mob control and personal damage, and necro being better for group damage if played well enough and you're tankier
sick sentinel
If necrolord pwar was more .... fleshed out (I'll see myself out now) in 9.0 i probably would have loved to roll it
median tulip
Is there a good way to handle the Nave in Halls? It always just seems to dissolve into absolute chaos.
sick sentinel
Takes 2 /3rds and beyond 9f current expansion for more than 1 covenant to be good for you class spec, I dunno man
blazing condor
Is there a good way to handle the Nave in Halls? It always just seems to dissolv...
Nave?
first part?
median tulip
No, the bit just before the last boss
blazing condor
shouldn't be too chaotic
median tulip
Sigar and all the ghosts
blazing condor
if you wanna play it more safe
start in the back
and kill both sides and the ads
then move up
loses you time but is easier
instead of taking all sides
sick sentinel
im using prot war as an alt but i have problems staying a live in m+ and raid i just spam Ignore pain and trying to keep as long as possible shield block uptime
but i feel very squish compared with mi bdk
my question is better use ignore pain or use ravenge and try to get more shield slam reset
errant leaf
What key level range are you rn ?
sick sentinel
15-16
blazing condor
log a run
if you already got IP and SB up and you still die SS won't really help you
errant leaf
Idk the only key that really destroys me is DoS rest is fine as long as i 100% sb on packs
Are the buffs live already ?
Or on reset ?
errant leaf
Kk
hexed tundra
I main holy priest, and the warriors I heal have 100k health. I leveled a prot war and having a ton of fun playing, lvl 60 ilvl222 reknown 80 kirian and still just 60k health. I feel like I'm doing something wrong?
blazing condor
how much stamina do you have?
hexed tundra
3113
hexed tundra
ok, so sounds like I'm on my way then? ok ok right on
blazing condor
yep just keep gearing and it should get better
hexed tundra
thanks Dog 🙂
mellow gorge
i mean i tried necro for the first time
i sitll have alot more to do in dungeons
but it's quite fun since i can manage to make banner last for an entire minute
might be better for tyra weeks
mellow bridge
https://gyazo.com/8df92ed9826dc77f34f0c8c0f3a3a95d
tbh i at least understand wanting a dk this week for it
dk just makes inspiring so easy, meanwhile most pugs just chainwipe to it in top lmao
mellow gorge
and with 4 set, or atleast 2set, necro makes warrior juicy due to all that rage
dawn canyon
control undead too big
uncut notch
Any of you guys breaking 10k dps yet? Mists 15 i did just now. Fury warriors were getting a bit sweaty trying to keep me away haha
mellow gorge
what ilvl are you
uncut notch
265 no tier
mellow gorge
cries in 250
uncut notch
10k in mists was already doable last season
yeah but like, by good people
I am not good people
mellow gorge
yeah exactly
uncut notch
gotta press more revenj
Bro i spammed that shit
minor sparrow
is prot war good
uncut notch
is prot war good
ask me again on wednesday
minor sparrow
got it
uncut notch
In all seriousness its fine - its viable, but its definitely "harder" than gdruid or ppal
but theres no reason you cant be doing up to 25s as prot if you have the gear and patience for it
typod, 25's not 15's*
strong forum
Erga is already doing 23s with a literal demon comp
So yeah, you're gonna be more than fine
strong forum
Any of you guys breaking 10k dps yet? Mists 15 i did just now. Fury warriors wer...
10k dps has been broken several times last season already :D
Ah okay has already been said
Sorry for piling on
blazing condor
weird to play with double leggos
9k dps in a SD
also is pwarr just very heavy CPM class or do people just not push buttons
feels like every class sits at aruond 30-45 cpm
and we out here with 60
merry ocean
Yea it feels I press more buttons then when I play other classes
sweet summit
yeah
tore me apart
almost timed a 24 but i'm bad and died on the pack outside hakkar like twice 
strong forum
Pwar with tier is 80cpm
west walrus
There is no tier
strong forum
Meanwhile bear is at 57
sweet summit
can't wait for the nerfs to come 
chilly brook
At least we’re getting some buffs
lofty widget
are you necro boys playing 2p or 3p in keys?
west walrus
Blizzard does not want me to push, in Gambit, 1st boss bugged
sweet summit
steel mist
guys this weakaura doesnt sshow on my side the time for the banner
is there something missing that im not aware off is there a bug?
sweet summit
the buff id for banner is 324143, or you can make a simple WA from template too
steel mist
thank you and is this shield even worth to equip it even if it have like a 252 crit vers shield
if i have the other shield
sweet summit
the extra block value is better defensively
steel mist
i ssee
sweet summit
you don't ever use the offensive mode
steel mist
should i equip it then?
sweet summit
sure
bright dock
any talent changes for necro prot?
blazing condor
timed my first 15 this season damn im gaming 😎
had a lock doing 16,5k dps like a madman
sweet summit
any talent changes for necro prot?
i'm liking BV, but BSC is good too
nothing else changes tho
bright dock
thanks 🙂
chrome falcon
BV probably goes marginally up in value after the wednesday buff too
sweet summit
i guess yeah?
doesn't really change when you use it tho, but i suppose there's more incentive to press it with BV lol
chrome falcon
idk BV is a weird talent because i find myself slamming DS on cooldown when i should probably actually be saving it for stuff
strong forum
<:okayge:917646812519739433>
Idk I think getting condensed anima sphere is better than the conduit on the right or?
Defensively speaking
So you go 3p3e
sweet summit
it is yeah, but then i lose safeguard 
blazing condor
safeguard is dope
strong forum
Eh
chrome falcon
Is safeguard even good like
strong forum
When do you actually use it properly
chrome falcon
Don’t we use intervene on CD anyway for rage
strong forum
It's good, but when do you actually use it as a defensive for others
blazing condor
i do that kinda often
chrome falcon
In legion there were giant 1 shots on dps that you’d save it for but idk where I’d actually use it now
blazing condor
some bosses are better than others for it
dealer in DoS can be one of those bosses where it's good depending on who has stacks etc
otherwise its just whoever bouta die you can always just chuck it
sweet summit
dos, nw, pf, top, sd off the top of my head
blazing condor
safeguard probably gains value the higher in keys you go
a bit overkill if you do it in 15s
like me 😎
sweet summit
guess you could play heirmir 3e 2p 1f?
chrome falcon
heirmir 🤮
chrome falcon
any soublind that doesn't summon kevin 🤮
dude we had a wipe on hc jailer where everyone was MC'd
lofty widget
isnt kevin only good as moral support and ST?
sweet summit
ye chimmi
chrome falcon
then another 15 seconds killing a bron
those dudes have like 1 million hp for no reason
sturdy sable
eh it'll line up with something you need it for eventually
This
chrome falcon
kevin is a 6% dps increase with 30% uptime
safe thistle
Démo shout align well with aegis
chrome falcon
shit's tight
sturdy sable
Id probably wait for demo to drop before i popped aegis
sweet summit
how much raw hps is CAS?
lofty widget
3-400?
craggy pilot
how big/minor are the prot buffs?
sweet summit
so it's basically equal to ooz's when accounted for overhealing
situationally huge
generally minor
craggy pilot
situationally?
lofty widget
my ooz is only 150 tho
chrome falcon
SR buff is insane in some situations
strong forum
Well it was 300-400 last patch
chrome falcon
the other buffs are just as impactful as they look
lofty widget
am i doing something wrong or what
lofty widget
well i only have a log from week one of this season where it was 365
sweet summit
idk the only "log" i have available right now is the dos, and there it did 270 hps
but i guess that's a dungeon where u drop <50 quite a bit lol
blazing condor
i can look at a log i did today
mine's only 252 ilvl but it did 406 hps
in the SD i did
or wait what we talking bout lmao
CAS?
strong forum
ye
waxen orbit
Yo I got a hot-take
That will likely get me put on a shitlist by healer pugs
But I gotta vocalize it
Healer dam matters less this patch than it did last patch because the overall damage potential of DPS and tanks this patch is higher than it was last patch, hence allowing healers to essentially settle for 2k DPS overall in keys (or not even) and solely focus on healing without it being a problem
strong forum
nothing changed about healer damage mattering
waxen orbit
No yeah and healers should still optimize and min max the same way everyone else does
I’m simply saying
strong forum
its only cuz its early season and nobody is pushing keys where dmg output is the issue
waxen orbit
Actually that’s probably it. Genuinely disregard what I said, I literally thought that up in 15 seconds and didn’t give any thought to the fact that we’re early season
strong forum
waxen orbit
I can already see it coming. I’m gonna complain about a healer not breaking 5k overall DPS in a +27 later in the season, and someone is gonna screenshot that message and hit me with the “this u?”
I’ve jebaited myself
And I’ll have completely earned it
strong forum
@sweet summit stream keys when
sweet summit
i'm #5?
chilly brook
It's good, but when do you *actually* use it as a defensive for others
In fairness I did last night
Tanks were struggling on the soak for rygelon
strong forum
chad
halcyon current
guys, does anybody have a working mouseover intervene macro?
I cant get it to work
#showtooltip Intervene
/cast [@mouseover,help] Intervene
#showtooltip
/cast [@mouseover,exists,harm] Charge;[@mouseover,exists,help] Intervene; [harm] Charge; Intervene
strong forum
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [exists, nodead, harm] Charge
this should work
mighty cairn
charge target and intervene on ally mouse over is p good too
ember tangle
i am kinda struggling with uptime on banner
i only have double leggo no tier yet
but i can only manage 1minute- 1:30 max
strong forum
ye without tier you wont be able to maintain godtier uptime
ember tangle
the tier gods have not been generous to me
strong forum
PTR calculations were that it takes around 8 weeks on average to get full tier
assuming you full clear HC and normal every week + a few mythic bosses
- 3 extra options from vault
ember tangle
i have only gotten one piece so far
blazing condor
ember tangle
not clearing full hc but nm only
and all teh m+ options every week
and full pvp options week 1 aswell
it's all good i will get it sooner or later
mellow harbor
i would love a buff where shield slam extends shield block by 1 second as default no need for heavy repercussions
strong forum
or just fix the base class
or make AM baseline and replace it with another block style talent
so we dont have to choose between block and no block talent
or remove all block talents and let us get full uptime just by playing well
lofty widget
are we at all likely to see some form of reprisal as a talent next expansion?
halcyon current
#showtooltip Charge
/cast [@mouseover, exists, help, nodead] Intervene
/cast [ex...
Like a fucking charm, ty.
night tusk
This buff coming. Making prots on par or still below? Or better?
dawn canyon
safe thistle
yah warrior are view as crap now or what lol getting refused for 15 keys
not like 15 are hard
west walrus
That's not we cannot tank
It's more a matter of how we can carry a key
People want easy runs
Without worrying about cut/stuns controls
strong forum
also true
strong forum
ya arcane aint half bad
blazing condor
people are getting nutty with tier pieces and stuff
this run was omega ass
but still
ToP
quaint glade
95% of pwarrs cant tank
west walrus
people are getting nutty with tier pieces and stuff
👆
quaint glade
#notiergang
blazing condor
preach
west walrus
I was not picked for a PF 20 because i have no bonus :D
(I have to change my key if I want a chance to push it)
I am just tired of DPS focusing on their overvall instead of mechanics.. :|
lime urchin
fill your friendlist with nice people you meet in pugs
west walrus
I do :D
lime urchin
95% of pwarrs cant tank
y u call me out like dis 😢
blazing condor
honestly if you're in this discord then you're probably part of the 5% that can tank
lime urchin
mah logs beg to differ!
blazing condor
well
maybe you strive to learn at least
thats better than the 95
hell thats better than 95% of the entire wow player base
most people just press their buttons and dont care what comes out
lime urchin
\o/
fading quiver
Quick question. I'm looking up mythic prot war logs and literally everyone is using the wall instead of reprisal. whats the deal?
strong forum
thats an improvement, in s1 and s2 boomies did less dmg than tanks
strong forum
Quick question. I'm looking up mythic prot war logs and literally everyone is us...
theyre bad
thats about it