protection

[chrome falcon]

i went from full+IP->dead in 0.3 seconds on a 21 today

you have to kite cultists/bonewarriors or whatever they're called

scribe won't cast if you're out of melee range

[sweet summit]

i fucking hate inspiring so much holy fuck on god please delete it i can't

[chrome falcon]

the fact that they made an affix that in any way resembles infested is weird

[scenic mural]

I cant even get close to 100% banner uptime with 2 piece, whats the secret😂 i shield slam on cd, revenge spam, i feel like im using ip close to rage cap and just not getting good uptime

[chrome falcon]

shield slam more, use LS, optimise reprisal usage

[mellow bridge]

Inspiring is the worst affix in the calendar from a fun perspective imo

[sweet summit]

it's just

punishing

for no reason

like

you can CC sure

but that just slows you down

so much

[mellow bridge]

The placement is so weird too

[chrome falcon]

any affix that slows you down is anti-fun

[mellow bridge]

Like in gambit it barely matters

In top meanwhile it's such a huge time loss

[sweet summit]

yeah

feel it especially in DoS

which is what reminded me

[mellow bridge]

Yeah dos too

SD the first boss room just sucks too

And it's two casters that are inspired so even playing them together sucks

[chrome falcon]

inspired in gambit might as well not even be an affix yeah

[mellow bridge]

Inspiring weeks are usually skip weeks for me ngl

[sweet summit]

yeah sanguine too

sucks

[mellow bridge]

But it's fine

[chrome falcon]

pretty rude in spires too in the first half

just annoying affix ccing mobs is not fun

[mellow bridge]

I still haven't gotten 4p (as one of just 3 people in our entire raid roster) and it's inspiring

So I just don't play instead

Ty blizz

[sweet summit]

[mellow bridge]

Got time for other stuff now

Can work on my paper instead

[chrome falcon]

my guild doesn't do as many keys with me anymore because both of our boomies tank in keys pug life for me

[urban portal]

Get 2 more pieces

[chrome falcon]

^ this will also help a huge amount

hit 70% uptime in a spires earlier today which is one of the absolute worst dungeons for banner uptime

[scenic mural]

i might have to reread tier but how does 4p play into more banner?

oh insta outburst

[sweet summit]

outburst ever avatar cast

[scenic mural]

nvm

[median tulip]

1. The first pull in DOS is Brutal
2. I really hate the position that the relics spawn in on Mueh'Zala

[sweet summit]

i've started just pulling with taunt/hc throw, tc on relics then charge

but yeah i do feel you

[median tulip]

Doesn't he do a massive AoE if you're not into melee range really quickly?

[sweet summit]

yes, but i haven't had that issue yet

[median tulip]

The other problem is getting the eventual spawner into a position where you can tank both it and him in your frontal arc

[chrome falcon]

GHHOOOOOOOOOOLY

NO SHOT

https://gyazo.com/ec86e81c551284e4b5c4611e065a7840

[waxen orbit]

OH SHIT

[chrome falcon]

NOOOOO SHOT

[waxen orbit]

YOOOOOO

[sweet summit]

YOOOOOOO

[chrome falcon]

KISS ME THWUMP I THINK I'M DREAMING

WE'RE GETTING A LIL KISSY FROM BLIZZY

[waxen orbit]

MF KISS ME I’M DREAMING

[sweet summit]

wait no

[sick sentinel]

I mean but is that even enough

[sweet summit]

why did they

reduce IP rage cost

[waxen orbit]

More rage for revenge

[sweet summit]

true

[chrome falcon]

no honestly

the biggest buff on that lixt

is EASILY

EASILY

spell reflect CD

[sweet summit]

SR

[chrome falcon]

(for keys)

[sweet summit]

ye

huge

[lofty widget]

For sure

[mighty egret]

20 sec wow

[chrome falcon]

20% CDR on free, off the GCD, unique damage reduction spell

[sweet summit]

is that enough

[chrome falcon]

i'll fuckin TAKE THAT LADS

[sweet summit]

to SR ever cast

of the mists mobs

?

[chrome falcon]

the soulcleavers?

[lofty widget]

Does that Mean we can go back to back to back SR with uhr?

[waxen orbit]

Mmmmm

[sweet summit]

without kiting

[waxen orbit]

Nah

[sweet summit]

yeah matta

[chrome falcon]

uh

[waxen orbit]

Don’t think so

[lofty widget]

I think its still too long

[sweet summit]

idr the cd of it

[chrome falcon]

it's real close

[lofty widget]

Its like 15s cd

[chrome falcon]

but i kinda doubt it

[waxen orbit]

P sure it’s 16 sec

[chrome falcon]

dude i'm straight BUSSIN

[sweet summit]

rip

oh well

we fucking TAKE THOSE BOYS

[waxen orbit]

WWWWWWWW

[chrome falcon]

what is that 5% vanguard DR buff btw

we do not need that

[waxen orbit]

HUSH

[sweet summit]

i mean

don't care

i take it

[sweet summit]

@vocal geode

copa

prot bis now

[chrome falcon]

me neither it just feels like 1) no-one at blizz plays warrior so they just slam us with random buffs or 2) the only guy who plays warrior at blizz just gets ignored so he can do whatever he wants

[sweet summit]

oh these buffs are definitely dice rolls

[chrome falcon]

on god bro how mad are VDH right now

because they're just as dogshit as us

[waxen orbit]

We’re far from BIS but at least we are now BUSSIN

[lofty widget]

Is the ignore pain nerf just gonna make it harder to not overcap rage btw?

[sweet summit]

yeah

[lofty widget]

Sadge

[torn gust]

fuck yeah

[urban portal]

macro ignore pain to every button

[sweet summit]

might just

[lofty widget]

Legit

[sweet summit]

default to necro

tbh

in keys too

[ember token]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/upcoming-class-tuning-buffs-on-march-29th-feral-druid-protection-warrior-beast-326496

[broken stratus]

Someone said we can SR uhr defbuff?

[urban portal]

so what exactly does the ignore pain changes mean

[sweet summit]

spear is too much burst rage

even nf good too

[urban portal]

the 35 rage thing

[waxen orbit]

A little late there

[chrome falcon]

idk erga, necro's strength is Not Fucking Dying

[sweet summit]

it means you can cast it more often

that's about it

[ember token]

Sorry couldnt hold myself

😉

[chrome falcon]

but the buffs help us do that anyway i think this is more positive for kyrian/nf than anything

[urban portal]

why does ignore pain reduce itself

[waxen orbit]

I’ve been doing necro in keys all of today and it’s straight up been so fucking easy

[urban portal]

or did the intern just fk it up

[sweet summit]

it's a later rank

[waxen orbit]

Literally just don’t die as necro

[chrome falcon]

yep

[sweet summit]

cos it's base 80

or 60

[chrome falcon]

necro are giga tanky

[sweet summit]

i think?

[chrome falcon]

60 pretty sure

[sweet summit]

wait no, it's not

[waxen orbit]

40

[sweet summit]

rank 2 is only cd reduction

so idk

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[urban portal]

60 makes snese since fury is 60

[waxen orbit]

IP cost 40 rage

Oh wait

I’m dumb

Misread

[sweet summit]

we can not

[torn gust]

loving the spell reflection change

[hollow thorn]

Prot war good now?

[sweet summit]

bis for sure

[chrome falcon]

the SR change is nuts

i would take the SR change over every other change put together if we had to pick

but we don't

[lofty widget]

Now All we need to be bis is another 6%

[hollow thorn]

Still the most shit tank spec to play. Dont @ me im going bed. :))

[sweet summit]

it's okay to have bad opinions

[chrome falcon]

I found the VDH who's mad that his spec that is even worse than ours isn't getting buffed

[maiden ravine]

Not gonna look a gift horse in the mouth, but why?

[hollow thorn]

; )

[chrome falcon]

Because we're fuckin bad kyle

Because we're fuckin bad

[gentle finch]

True

[median tulip]

That SR CDR is going to make the last boss in ToP even more of a joke to use than she was before

[maiden ravine]

But y'all have been talking about how much rage y'all had and so much IP and stuff. I thought it was dps prot warrior was lacking

[chrome falcon]

oh fuck do you think we can SR all of them now

[sweet summit]

no shot

[chrome falcon]

i dunno, it was already pretty close

[sweet summit]

checking logs

brb

[chrome falcon]

yeah we have a lot of rage and we cast 1 million ips

however

ip is a meme

[median tulip]

Pretty sure you should be able to SR every Reaping Scythe now, yes

[chrome falcon]

gang gang gang

[sweet summit]

idk

kinda juicy

[torn gust]

mmmmm juicy

[sage yacht]

erga your time to shine has come

[sweet summit]

i will rise

to the top

||of my server||

[sage yacht]

im like 15 minutes late on this

but

now

you will be best tank

ngl

they need make new warrior spec

called

ergaW

top of the meters

oh wait

you already are

[sweet summit]

wanna do a key

[torn gust]

give warriors hero :v

[sage yacht]

[sweet summit]

i'm bored

[ancient vale]

Will I now survive the dausegne dot 😮

[sweet summit]

donowalled by @sage yacht

[sage yacht]

no

[chrome falcon]

now we just need liquid to kill jailer and the night's complete

[sage yacht]

i just

didnt read

sorry

yes i wanna do key

if my game repairs

[sweet summit]

[sick spade]

noh

[sage yacht]

my game repair has been breaking since i got home

[sweet summit]

??

wth

[oblique garnet]

False

You just suck at it

[sweet summit]

dang he took the bait

[sage yacht]

i just transferred wow to different hard drive 2 days ago it been bugging ever since

[sweet summit]

oh

rip

[sage yacht]

yea

[maiden ravine]

Isn't it best to uninstall and reinstall if you're moving drives? Or do registries update better

[chrome falcon]

someone put me in the cryo-chamber until wednesday thanks

[ancient vale]

Fr tho how do you actually live things like Dausegne dot on warrior, u just hope?

[mellow bridge]

The second I swap off prot warrior, they get juicy buffs

You're welcome lads

[sweet summit]

ty

[unkempt trout]

are those buffs even huge

[sweet summit]

now do it again

[chrome falcon]

i dunno about huge

but they're big

[mellow bridge]

You use wall and reduce the dot

[waxen orbit]

They’re big for sure

[chrome falcon]

this is a very large increase to our tankiness

[mellow bridge]

Her melees don't do shit

[sweet summit]

the SR change is situationally huge

5% more tanky, IP change is nice

[mellow bridge]

Use CDs for dot at high stacks and tell healer to heal you

[sweet summit]

5% more DR on demo is nice

[chrome falcon]

SR change is gonna ruin some nerds in m+

[sweet summit]

it all adds up to a good bit

[mellow bridge]

IP absorbing more damage is so good

[sweet summit]

yeah

[mellow bridge]

With the amount you're spamming now

It will add up very quickly

[twilit sable]

Yeah good to see prot love 🥰

[sweet summit]

it's uhh

less shit now

[chrome falcon]

yeah idk we have almost literally never had this much rage in the history of wow

and reducing the cost of our spender while also buffing it

[sweet summit]

someone didn't play lucid major

[chrome falcon]

is gonna make those big pulls where you have infinite rage but still die a lot less scary

[oblique garnet]

Lucid major was cringe

[twilit sable]

IP just needs to be 100% value and magic damage and we all g

[sweet summit]

it was so much fun

[ancient vale]

The rage during last stand feels so insane haha

With the conduit

[torpid junco]

Just read buffs. What is vanguard !??

[sand pebble]

Bring back legion ip and fuck this current one off

[twilit sable]

Passive DR

[chrome falcon]

yeah you can generate like 300 rage in the space of 3 globals with 4pc+LS

[waxen orbit]

So first you press P

[chrome falcon]

we are even more hardened by battle

we are now the hardest dudes around

[sage yacht]

yell at healers man

[sweet summit]

:gachihyper:

[waxen orbit]

Didn’t need this buff for that

[chrome falcon]

No but it sure helps

[torpid junco]

So basically just 5% dam reduction ?

[sweet summit]

yep

[chrome falcon]

yep 5% flat DR

blizz are really good at their jobs

[sand pebble]

I mean does this put us in line with bear 4pc for both damage and healing?

[sweet summit]

[ancient vale]

Hahaha

[chrome falcon]

i

[sweet summit]

remain ignorant

[chrome falcon]

actually laughed out loud

[torpid junco]

We still going to be worst tank?

[chrome falcon]

no VDH is worse for sure

[sage yacht]

not when ergaW is playing

[waxen orbit]

Prot warrior as of March 29th

[sage yacht]

i need to play prot sometime

so i can actually talk in this channel

[ancient vale]

Man, I just feel like , war is so punishing when u mess up shield block and then get meleed for your whole hp

[sweet summit]

well yeah

that's the thing we do

[chrome falcon]

yep that's the class

[vestal moat]

Can someone explain ignore pain buff 50 to 55% ? Is it a straight 5% buff. IE it absorbed 100 damage before, it absorbs 105 now?

[oblique garnet]

Not anymore

[sweet summit]

instead of absorbing 50 out of 100 damage, it absorbs 55 out of 100 damage @vestal moat

[vestal moat]

ok that s what i thought. doesnt seem too impactful

[ancient vale]

I’m scared because I might have to tank pantheon tomorrow and then I’ll have multiple bosses meleing for my whole hp instead of just one

[vestal moat]

It was the size of the shield that was too low not the percentage absorbed

[waxen orbit]

You’ll have 2 and the other tank will have 2

You’ll be fine

[chrome falcon]

nah gourt two of the bosses are casters

and don't melee for shit

[waxen orbit]

^

[ancient vale]

Tru

[waxen orbit]

Especially if you’re necro it’s a joke

Before tier and when running Kyr, yeah it hurt

But now with everything we have? Joke boss

[sweet summit]

yeah this kinda isn't too bad now with the tier set, you have so much rage you have to spend on IP anyway

[ancient vale]

It doesn’t look too bad compared to skolex and desaugne tbh

They were rough pre set bonus and double Lego

[chrome falcon]

dausegne just got a lot easier

tip for dausegne make sure fleshcraft is always on CD

and you get 5% magic DR from the domination cores when they die

[ancient vale]

Ye I did it as night fae last week , maybe not the play idk

[chrome falcon]

definitely gotta be NF for mythic

for HC you should be good as anything

[sweet summit]

venthyr works too

[chrome falcon]

i'll take your word for that

[sweet summit]

(door of shadows, not condemn)

[ancient vale]

I don’t think I needed nf this week

We killed before the scary set I “needed” blink for

[chrome falcon]

that SR change is so nice for LoD and rygelon too i was just thinking about it for keys

[sweet summit]

oh shit really

you actually kill it that fast with double lego now

[vast forge]

prot warrior feels like 3x the effort for like 60% of the reward of other tanks

[chrome falcon]

sense's guild killed it in like 2:30 this week, i think i got it in 3 or so

[vast forge]

buffs are nice but imagine buffing prot war like this when bears exist

[sweet summit]

that's wild

[chrome falcon]

yeah goddamn right F5in welcome to the trenches

[vast forge]

or blood or pal

[sweet summit]

we still haven't done mythic this week

[vast forge]

sometimes im literally pressing 5 buttons in the same gcd as prot

meanwhile other tanks press 1 button only

or alternate 2

[chrome falcon]

yep

all we have left is

[sweet summit]

i don't mind it

[chrome falcon]

our confidence that we have triple the apm of every other motherfucker out there

[sweet summit]

this is as fun as SL prot as been

[ancient vale]

Wait what boss are you talking about haha?

[sweet summit]

and i will enjoy it

[jagged pier]

Nope u dont need a blink at all

[sweet summit]

gm jakey

[vast forge]

my main problems with prot are the 2 ignore pain limit and shield block and ignore pain both costing a bunch of rage

[chrome falcon]

I mean you don't hard 100% need it but you'll help your group's uptime on the boss

[vast forge]

and when you have no cds then ur starved like crazy for rage

[chrome falcon]

sir

[sweet summit]

you're really not starved on rage

[jagged pier]

Gm

[vast forge]

and when you are in cds you have way more rage than you can even use

[sweet summit]

unless you have giga bad rng and no tier set

[vast forge]

properly*

[chrome falcon]

have you picked up a shield and played prot this patch we generate like over 1k rage a minute

[jagged pier]

Your starved for rage if your bad

[chrome falcon]

even bad players shouldn't be starved for rage anymore

[vast forge]

oh this is without reprisal i guess

[safe dirge]

with the up of demo shout do we even consider to play thunderlord on m+ ?

[vast forge]

with reprisal its fine, but the reprisal playstyle is pure cancer

[sweet summit]

no

[chrome falcon]

there isn't really a reprisal playstyle

you just make an intervene macro for whatever melee you're playing with

[vast forge]

pressing intervene off cooldown is definitely a playstyle

[chrome falcon]

and sometimes charge during a pull

[vast forge]

yeah if only it was as simple as glueing a melee to you

[chrome falcon]

sssure but it doesn't interfere with anything else you're doing

[vast forge]

does not always work out like that

[chrome falcon]

where are your melee if they're not next to you

[jagged pier]

Your over thinking u do not need to charge or intervene on cd

[sweet summit]

i am very close to deleting that image man

[chrome falcon]

this is also true

[sage yacht]

i couldnt be bothered to make a screenshot

[chrome falcon]

you still generate a shitzillion rage with bad or even 0 reprisal usage

[vast forge]

to play efficiently you do, any there can definitely be times melee arent on you

[sweet summit]

have u ever tried using something other than you phone to take a screenshot of your computer screen

[vast forge]

or you might not even have melee in a key

[sweet summit]

smhing irl rn

[sage yacht]

no smile

[chrome falcon]

doing a key with no melee is brutal yeah

i wish we could intervene pets

[sage yacht]

this is like the 3rd time already this week i post a picture like this its wonderful

[sweet summit]

get owned

[ancient vale]

I crafted reprisal but have literally never used it lol

[vast forge]

i crafted reverb cuz i didnt wanna play reprisal

then i crafted reprisal after 1 key cuz it was so bad

🙂

feels like its the same problem as holy

only 1 good legendary (for keys at least, could play wall in raid) and its just annoying to play

holy priest*

[viral flume]

These buffs to prot make having prot war as my main alt less painful 😁

Just wish I could get tier on him

[jagged pier]

Holy fuck we got more changes lol these are busted

[chrome falcon]

Yep

20% more spell reflects

nutso

[jagged pier]

Literally more rage to spend on stuff

[chrome falcon]

everything else there is like, whatever, numbers stuff, but i cannot get over the SR buff

[vast forge]

spell reflect weakauras gaining huge value

[sweet summit]

same matta

[viral flume]

Reading some comments from earlier I need a bit of clarification, does IP mitigate magical damage?

[jagged pier]

Enough 5% dr on pyhsical

[sweet summit]

yes

all damage

[viral flume]

That's what I thought

[chrome falcon]

like numbers change from patch to patch but we're still gonna be feeling that SR buff in 10.0 (hopefully)

[sweet summit]

cope

for sure

[jagged pier]

They are gunna revert for sure

This is just to help current raid

As they forgot about allowing usage of our toolkit..... again

[maiden ravine]

Apparently 2 seasons of not being first offended a classic purist on devs

Granted this isn't first right now? I dunno

[jagged pier]

We still wont be first

[chrome falcon]

First place still has a massive powergap between us and them in keys

[jagged pier]

Still not inline, to much magic damage around

[chrome falcon]

But I think in raid we're very very good now

[jagged pier]

If they had increased indom healing to 2%, then we gaming

[chrome falcon]

We definitely needed this though the back half of sepulchre has way too much magic damage lmao

[maiden ravine]

Blizzard likes magic damage, but they see that as healer mechanics haha

[chrome falcon]

This is huge for rygo tbh

[oblique garnet]

Isnt jailer alot of physical damage and heal absorbs🤔

[jagged pier]

Hes main thing is magic damage in p2

[chrome falcon]

Not in p2

That shit hurts

[jagged pier]

Like 45k ticking every srcond

150k magic hit

[ancient vale]

P2 pillars can reck haha

[chrome falcon]

And there are periods when it's on both tanks and huge raid damage

Where you kinda have to deal with it yourself

[ancient vale]

The far pillar out of range of heals feels pretty scary haha

It’s not toooo bad tho tbh

[chrome falcon]

Yeah it's scary on the way back but a decent ilvl scale goes a long way there

[ancient vale]

Just like waddling back with 20% hp having a mini heart attack np

[chrome falcon]

just us getting the SR buff right

[sick sentinel]

Warrior

Ignore Pain now ignores 55% of the damage (was 50%).
Protection
Demoralizing Shout now reduces the damage enemies deal to you by 25% (was 20%).
Ignore Pain now reduces the cost of Ignore Pain to 35 Rage (was 40 Rage).
Spell Reflection cooldown reduced to 20 seconds (was 25 seconds).
Vanguard reduces all damage taken by 15% (was 10%).

[chrome falcon]

oh the other specs get the IP buff too

good for them

[ancient vale]

Pressing IP as arms can feel correct sometimes , but my god pressing it as fury feels so bad haha

[sick sentinel]

extra 5% dr on ds is nice

[ancient vale]

It’s a bit of a bummer because literally the week I’m probably going to stop playing prot they get buffed , but oh well haha

[sick sentinel]

i feel like there is 2 versions of people that wear shields in fantasy and one is like, the targe fanboy, vs the chad tower shield

[maiden ravine]

Hoplite vs Roman. It'd an age old fantasy trope

[sick sentinel]

and so, that meme looks pretty much exactly like you might imagine, and we think we are tower shield and we aren't quit there but we are more more pepega mode activated and like small round sheild guy instead

[chrome falcon]

if gladiator stance was still a think i'd definitely rock the small shield look

but you can't play prot warrior without a giant plank of metal on our arm

it's just not right

[safe thistle]

some vanilla small round one out there

[chrome falcon]

give me a "hidden shield" transmog option

lemme backhand some idiots

[ancient vale]

I trasmogged to the bulwark of azzinoth the other day and it just felt right

[safe thistle]

the only huge shield i like is uldir one

[maiden ravine]

Ff14 has that

[sick sentinel]

like, i know its not realistic, but thats part of the shield aesthetic fantasy

[chrome falcon]

i know it's dope

[sick sentinel]

and its like, you bash people really hard with your shield and it throws em around

[chrome falcon]

artifact shields are unbeatable, bulwark is the only one that comes close

[ancient vale]

Hmm I don’t know if I even have any artifact shields lol

[safe thistle]

ok but gotta use the WoD hd one

[maiden ravine]

I am actually using the venthyr renown shield

[chrome falcon]

i mean cmon, you've got a scale of deathwing, and a piece of metal the size of a DOOR with some weird fucked up demon skull on it

[maiden ravine]

Plus the spiky sword

[ancient vale]

I started playing prot about 3 weeks ago, so my shield collection is extremely lacking :/

[maiden ravine]

I've played everything so long I have so many

And only use artifact and a few more.

The axe artifact one looks really good with the green zm set

[chrome falcon]

yep as a pair, the axe is the best

[sick sentinel]

in very early vanilla 2004 i played paladin, that account got hacked deleted so i lost any mogs or whatever

[chrome falcon]

the flail from challenge is trash and the mace from scale is just meh

[sick sentinel]

but then i played alot of rogue, so i have a whole crap load of 1 hand weapon mogs already farmed out

[maiden ravine]

I have the mage tower flail and I do like it

I use it with smf haha

[chrome falcon]

mage tower flail would be bis if it animated properly on revenge

but it just looks bad

the animation on the autos is awesome

[ancient vale]

If I did the mage tower as a different warrior spec, do I get the flail?

[chrome falcon]

nope

[maiden ravine]

Nope, had to be prot

[ancient vale]

Damn, how is the prot one haha?

[maiden ravine]

That's why the challenge was 36/36

[chrome falcon]

it was very hard when it first came out, one of the hardest tank ones

got easy with gear

[ancient vale]

Pog

[maiden ravine]

Bull. You had charge

Haha

And leap

[chrome falcon]

yeah but you also just fucking died

[ancient vale]

I did the guardian Druid one but wasn’t playing prot warrior back then

[sick sentinel]

maybe if i come back i'll do bdk

DEATHSTRIKE DEATHSTRIKE DEATHSTRIKE nice ez rotation

[ancient vale]

Man bdk seems crazy

[sick sentinel]

bdk is secretly always going to be super pimpin tank

i played all of BFA with one

[ancient vale]

I’m like watching videos and figuring out how to do the halos on xymok and drsaugne , and I just see bdks just AMS and run through

Doesn’t seem fair haha

[sick sentinel]

bdk just survives for a long time very well, so only thing they worry about is group dmg and not having CDS for boss

[gentle finch]

The ignore pain from 50/100 to 55/100 is it that’s good? I feel like you have a max ignore pain thrown up and it’s usually instantly gone in like less than a globals time

Wouldn’t Mind a little ignore pain cap buff too

Pretty pitiful compared to health pool rly

[ancient vale]

I feel you, I feel like sometimes I IP and it’s gone before my finger has literally left the key

[safe thistle]

its good since tier piece give free IP that will absorb just more dmg

[gentle finch]

Will it absorb more if it’s literally instantly dispersed anyways?

[daring bay]

Ignore pain will makes ignore pain cheaper? wut?

[gentle finch]

Will this make it disperse even faster actually?

[sick sentinel]

well of course, but only 5% more

im pretty sure lamens terms it just 5% more bubble

[gentle finch]

Plka where are you

[safe thistle]

the best buff is 5% dr to vanguard and 5% to demo

[chrome falcon]

nope

the best buff is SR

[gentle finch]

Those and SR

[safe thistle]

when you put demo shout you will have 10% dr compared to live now

[daring bay]

Its great that they are buffing prot warriors, but i feel like they arent really understand the pain points.

[scenic mural]

I did the tank challenge on 3 tanks and VDH was just faceroll

[safe thistle]

ohhh yah SR too sometime its only off 3second for a boss cd

[chrome falcon]

the pain point is that we don't do 20k overall like bear

they can't fix that

[cinder nova]

Any memes to be had with Jailer trinky

[chrome falcon]

making us tankier and helping us vs magic is great

[cinder nova]

I just got it and I doubt it's useful

But

[chrome falcon]

nope but you can vendor it for like 80 gold

that's pretty sweet

[dire sparrow]

all those changes are so good for raid

[ancient vale]

I feel the pain point is having to put it 120% effort to be “normal” and u mess up only very slightly and you get punished soooo much

[sick sentinel]

pain point is shield slam feels like you hit them with a book or frying pan and then shield block sometimes feels like your trying to block bullet with cardboard

[patent osprey]

You rang?

Why have I been Summoned?

[gentle finch]

The ignore pain PLKA!

What you think?

[sick sentinel]

something about ignore pain

[gentle finch]

It just disappears is the 55 any better?

Gone instantly either way and cap feels so low

[daring bay]

Prot warrior pumps in damage, ez 7k-9k overall when not even trying to deal damage. Thats massive for a tank, what class r u playing?

[chrome falcon]

i'm being trolled

i will not rise to it

i will not take the bait

[dire sparrow]

hahaha

[daring bay]

Ur the troll who cant rise to anything

[chrome falcon]

brother warriors protect me from this evil

[ancient vale]

I pride myself in being the lowest prot dps in literally every boss 🙂

[gentle finch]

Guys stop Plka is speaking

[patent osprey]

well the ip buff is just passive right, so the 5% u prob won't feel it much but the rafe reduction is really nice. It synergies with our necro lord and AM when using 4 set.

[ancient vale]

Well that is until some people did worse then me somehow 🙂

[dire sparrow]

seeing the Guardian representation rise as more and more get 4pc

[patent osprey]

But vanguard buff is awesome and I love it. The major thing is though, this buff alone won't put us in the top 3 or top 5 tanks as our kit just doesn't fit SL dungeons

[chrome falcon]

he was trolling right he must have been trolling

i think we're better than vdh now though

[scenic mural]

What di you mean bro 7k overall is MAJOR PUMP

[chrome falcon]

surely

[patent osprey]

So much utility is expected from tanks this expac in the dungeons. It's longer just face tank and do dam.

[ancient vale]

Why would you play prot in dungeons tho, when u can just play fury in dungeons and invite a bear???

[sick sentinel]

top 5 of tanks? i think there is only like 5 tanks

[patent osprey]

there are 6 tanks

:)

[gentle finch]

Ya true Plka

[sick sentinel]

i mean lol

if prot isnt in top 5 out of 6

ooooffff

[patent osprey]

Guys I love prot war and I will die on our hill

[scenic mural]

Tank has become more sophisticated while DPS players become more brain dead

[patent osprey]

but our kit is reliant on everyone else's kit to do well

[gentle finch]

Give us a sooth annnnnd maybe bloodlust annnnd demo shout reduces damage mobs do to your party not just you

And another kicky

[ancient vale]

Lool

[sick sentinel]

is it range dps or melee dps thats braindead meta pick

[gentle finch]

And a cc

[sick sentinel]

i normally play melee braindead

[scenic mural]

Both

[twilit sable]

I want shield bash to replace pummel for prot for purely aesthetic reasons

[patent osprey]

Prot war has a lack of control. We have Shockwave which DRs with every other classes stun. We have no CC. Our intimidating shout is a interrupt at best which sometimes causes mobs to flee into other packs.

[limber sky]

5% def buf!!

[patent osprey]

Spell reflect has become a glorious deflect

Thunderclap hits for beans

we have no root TC which was the best shit

[chrome falcon]

Give us the torghast power that make TC a mass grip

[crystal iris]

Lol i used int shout on first pull in mists

[twilit sable]

TC not applying DW is sadge

[crystal iris]

feared into second villager pack

[misty marsh]

It already does the animations, just make a macro that's /cast Pummel with the Shield Bash icon

[patent osprey]

Don't forget I fking love this class but doesn't mean I don't know it's bad By comparison

it's still fking fun

[daring bay]

What tank has better CC than warriors? Showckwave and intimate are massive lol

[patent osprey]

Monk

ring of peace and sweep

[sweet summit]

remain ignorant

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/947159641685635082.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

[twilit sable]

Lol thats some shield bash cope, im going to do it 😂

[chrome falcon]

and paralyse

[patent osprey]

sweep is a longer stun and ROP is the best control in the game

Para is giga

it's a stop and a cc

[crystal iris]

you playing monk now Pika?

[chrome falcon]

but you know what monks don't have

[patent osprey]

I play monk for raid

but I prefer war

[sick sentinel]

talent that replaces pummel and intimidating shout: attempts to cancel spell, if not it does damage, if successful it picks up enemy and silences (dk asphyxiate) and causes enemies to cower.

[twilit sable]

"Intimate" sounds suss 😂

[patent osprey]

I have no choice :( no mystic touch in raid

[crystal iris]

I gave up on warr halway through last season it was just so hard to pug with

[misty marsh]

I did that with Recklessness 😛

[chrome falcon]

bring back wotlk shield slam glyph

[patent osprey]

VDH by comparison has an immunity with meta basically. A ton of self heal especially with 2 set 4 set.

[twilit sable]

BDK is literally Clarkson meme if a healer dies, so anyways 😂 DS DS DS

[patent osprey]

Silence, imprison, AOE stop in fear sigil

[sick sentinel]

i don't remember the wrath SS glyph

[patent osprey]

can kite infinite

[sick sentinel]

i didn't have warrior back then

[daring bay]

Shockwaves shorter cooldown, intim dosnt share DR with most shit. I would say monk and warr are really close interms of CC

[patent osprey]

and a ranged kick

[chrome falcon]

@sick sentinel made shield slam purge too

[patent osprey]

also doing insane dam

[crystal iris]

would be nice if heroic throw had an int on it

[chrome falcon]

it used to

[crystal iris]

although i guess it has no cd...

[twilit sable]

Gag order was a thing

[daring bay]

and the other tanks dont come close, maybe bear but thats it

[patent osprey]

AND THE BIGGWST DIFF WITH MONK.... they have a dispel

[twilit sable]

Remember when shockwave actually fuckin slapped dam

[chrome falcon]

i dunno i think prot has pretty nutty pack control tbh

[crystal iris]

how much do the tierset / buffs help?

[chrome falcon]

on the oils in mechagon today i managed to stop all 3 casts 4 times

[twilit sable]

Belf warr for the dispel is pog

[patent osprey]

Prot isn't horrible

we're like just a little worse than most tanks st each thing

[daring bay]

Wow, and Gdruid and dks have CR. Suprise, tanks have different utility

[sick sentinel]

my only knowledge of prot warriors, was we were doing naxrammas (wrath) and we needed a tank really badly, we invited some guy, and he was a protname and his name was litterally "gearedtank" he has on fairly unremarkable gear, low epics and a few blues, and i think a purple boe dagger, didn't look at his shields,
anyways, we did a few pulls with him and he sucked really badly and died, and we called him EBAY and kicked him

that is a 100% true story

[crystal iris]

I mean I enjoy the challenge, bcause i think its the hardest tank to pull off

[daring bay]

if ur argument is that monk is better than warr well we have clear stats to show that hence blizz buffing warriors

[chrome falcon]

Goodnight I know I was said I wouldn't get baited but I am a weak man

Did you really think 9k was good dps for a dungeon

[daring bay]

But warriors still "only" have the same utility as we had in bfa where we where giga

[twilit sable]

Warr isnt hard though its just not spam buttons and hit purify and then celestial brain dead like BrM

[patent osprey]

I don't think anyone can debate atm that monk is alot better than war atm

[ancient vale]

Yeah this is one of the main things I enjoy about prot haha

[daring bay]

thats not why people are rating warriors low

[patent osprey]

but war is fun so I play it :)

[crystal iris]

Been having more fun and less stress on pally 😛

[chrome falcon]

nah Calg if you want to push content warrior is pretty hard

[crystal iris]

but I want to enjoy warr so much haha

[chrome falcon]

copium maybe but i think it is

[crystal iris]

because when It works its awesome

[daring bay]

u sound like a bear player

[patent osprey]

99% of content it doesn't matter ur tank choice. Play what's fun

[chrome falcon]

just about the rudest thing anyone's ever said to me

[patent osprey]

U can play prot warrior in top keys and it's fine. It's just a but harder/more work for you and your team

[twilit sable]

Just can't save its own ass like prot pal, brm or bdk at least.
Dumb healer = suicide watch prot warr lol

[crystal iris]

exactly, I like that if I fk up on pally i have a few oh shit buttons

[ancient vale]

I’m finding it so fun after each fight, checking the logs and seeing that I’m one of only 4 prot warriors to kill something , feels more rewarding then playing some tank with 100 kills already

[chrome falcon]

yeah if you fuck up you can't just instantly full heal like pala or bdk

[sick sentinel]

some people aren't willing to put that much risk and volatility into a key though

[crystal iris]

Oh i like prot enough in raid, its keys that I find harder

[sick sentinel]

when they could just invite a bear or monk or bdk or whatever is S/A tier

[daring bay]

Gotta be honest, i been gearing a paladin and they are squishier than warriors. Sure we cant heal outself like they can. But healer+warr is way tankier than healer+protpala

[chrome falcon]

yeah i'm already seeing 21/22 pugs listing "4pc bear only" when they want a tank

[crystal iris]

the worst offenders are "link tier"

[twilit sable]

That's why tank ranking lists aren't good because the plebs don't look into it, they just see prot warr in ass tier with no context and avoid them for their +2 Mists key lol

[chrome falcon]

someone asked me yesterday to link my second legendary

like, brother, who is queueing for your 21 DoS key without a second legendary

[sick sentinel]

WHJATS YOUR GEARSCORE? Link achievement plz. LOL noob GTFO

[chrome falcon]

goodnight you didn't answer

i have to know if you think 9k is good dps

[median tulip]

I solve this problem by only doing M+ with guildies. Solves a lot of issues.

[hollow hill]

Got denied for a 10 mists yesterday because I was only 259 ilvl lmao

[twilit sable]

I enjoy hunters who don't interrupt or have pet taunt on for world bosses only to see the world bosses literally gape their brokentooth 😂

Like alright bruh ill just do a dps rotation while your pet eats shit

[sick sentinel]

smart hunters have pet stun, so they are useful idiots for trash

[twilit sable]

"Why is it so hard to get a tank for my shitty key" lol

[median tulip]

Hunters with Growl on in ZM are just annoying. Like, bro, we need to pull this spider outta this fucking goop, turn your growl off

[ancient vale]

If I think about it, the flat DR changes and stuff is gunna acctually be so nice for skolex’s contant ticking rend dmg

[twilit sable]

Oof Mother P and a huntard with its pet perma taunting it makes me want to kill my own faction

[sick sentinel]

i could still care less about DH they are often less useful and just idiots, but they do good damage... sometimes...

[ancient vale]

That was what did the most dmg to me and for that to literally just be cut down for free feels very cool

[latent pier]

Those buffs tho

after seeing them I will be the first one here to ask what they think about

outlaw rogues

[thorny stone]

Will every soul split from mist be reflectable with the changes to sr? Can't check the ICD now.

[sick sentinel]

never ever forget it, underrot, +15 "you have to avoid the puke from maggot on first pull" "stfu i know what im doing" 20 seconds into key, DH gets deleted to puke, rages and leaves key

[oblique quarry]

if a group has a bad healer and tons of damage is it decent to go necro?

inb4kickhealer

[chrome falcon]

if you're worried about dying

necro will stop you dying

[ancient vale]

What actually is it about necro that stops you from dying btw?

[chrome falcon]

having 70% uptime on 408 mastery, 21% strength, and free rage generation

[ancient vale]

Ye ok I c

[foggy fractal]

Heard prot got some buffs just now but I cant find the notes on it, what did we get?

[chrome falcon]

More frequent and stronger IPs

[twilit sable]

Slightly stronger IPs

Lol

[sick sentinel]

in short, better magic DR

[shut summit]

😎

[foggy fractal]

Not a prot main really but is that super strong orr?

[chrome falcon]

Yo sense you ready to reflect some fuckin spells or what

[latent pier]

I've definitely had moments where having that cd shave would have saved my ass lol

[sick sentinel]

unless i knew for sure i could reflect something id just use it for 20 magic DR

another don't die button

[ancient vale]

Ye , imma just bind it to shield slam tbh :)))))

[sick sentinel]

wouldn't it make more sense to reflect attack?

since we are more melee based?

[ancient vale]

Hmm pantheon actually doesn’t look tooo bad tbh, the dmg profile seems so much easier then I thought It would be for prot

I’m honestly feel like I’m still recovering mentally from the desaugne dot tbh

[daring bay]

I think 9k is great damage for a tank to have and anyone complaining about warr lacking dps just want blizz to boost them. Aswell as any tank doing "20k overall" is broken but that dosnt make warriors any worse

Now to answer the question you been asking yourself this whole expansion, yes you should reroll to bear

[shut summit]

daus was way worse than pantheon

[waxen orbit]

With tier and double lego 9k is questionable tank damage from a prot warr at least

[chrome falcon]

If you think 9k is great dps then you are lost my brother but I wish you luck on your journey

[sick sentinel]

i dont want to see super duper nerfs for every class or spec, but i think more flexibility with support tank/healer roles

[latent pier]

little worried for my demo main, lol

[sick sentinel]

and everything should be somewhat balanceed

not homogonized, or seperated but balanced

[daring bay]

@waxen orbit @chrome falcon Go on then, link me some logs where you are doing "great" damage

Plz no +2 hoa keys

[waxen orbit]

Don't mind if I do

[latent pier]

Blizzard couldn't balance a sheet of plywood laying flat on the floor

[waxen orbit]

That's as Necro alone and without trying

[chrome falcon]

I don’t log my keys but I did 11k in a 20 SD yesterday and was somewhat disappointed

[daring bay]

wow imagen doing 11k in a dungeon where you get a massive damage boost

xD

[sick sentinel]

i still have nightmares about doing PF and HOA and NW keys

DSO

[ancient vale]

Yeah it looks that way, daus was brutal tbh, looking forwards to some slightly “easier” bosses to live

[waxen orbit]

Yea that famous Gambit damage boost

[sick sentinel]

i hate those dungenos for m+ so damn much

[waxen orbit]

Or the Spires damage boost

lol

[chrome falcon]

Sure I mean I did 12k in the 19 spires right after but you do you homes

[latent pier]

that one pack can be huge if you land the mass reflect

.>

[waxen orbit]

Yea that's called skill and using your buttons

That's not a % increase

[chrome falcon]

Also my point was not to shit on you or flex my own dps

[waxen orbit]

^

[daring bay]

Ok, so people "bragging about" their dps are doing 3k more than me on my 255 ilvl warr with no tierset and bad trinkets

Seems like i am doing pretty good if i gotta be honest

[chrome falcon]

My point was that warrior does not do good dps in keys

[daring bay]

they do

[waxen orbit]

Damn bro you mind sharing some of that?

Goddamn that hits the spot

https://tenor.com/view/coughing-fit-cough-gif-15015770

[chrome falcon]

Shit man pass it over lemme hit thay

[latent pier]

so real talk, how big do you guys reckon those buffs are

[sick sentinel]

they should have more on the nose "use your god damn CC" quest mobs

[latent pier]

meaningful?

[daring bay]

in the meters u linked the warrior is 12k and dps is 16k

[chrome falcon]

Definitely meaningful

[daring bay]

you want warriors to do dps level damage?

xD

[mighty valley]

i've been out for the night, can someone summarize our discord's angsty reaction to the buffs plz

[latent pier]

I love prot so I'm super excited

[chrome falcon]

That’s what other tanks are doing

So yeah I’d be ok with that

[waxen orbit]

Other tanks currently are and also Mattacate and I are just good so

I mean

[sick sentinel]

where its like, you get to a quest boss and its a mage and he spams you with fireballs you can interupt but if you don't they hit for a crap laod

[waxen orbit]

Yea

[latent pier]

positive apparently

[chrome falcon]

Oh yeah man I’m totally fucking cracked at this game

[daring bay]

Man, people rerolling warrior in bfa and then moaning about their class after getting balanced are such a pathetic bunch

[chrome falcon]

I only SLIGHTLY get out-parsed by people with less tier than me

[latent pier]

I regret not having a tank in bfa.

[waxen orbit]

Hush dawg don't diminish yourself

[chrome falcon]

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST I HAVE PLAYED PROTECTION WARRIOR SINCE YOU WERE WITHIN THINE FATHERS NUT SACK

[waxen orbit]

Also I've been playing prot warr since 2010 but sure

[latent pier]

never having no tanks in my roster again

[waxen orbit]

Literally since I was 7 years old I have been playing this spec g

[chrome falcon]

I was shield slamming things while you mother was in labour

[sweet summit]

why are we comparing e-peens

i don't get it

[daring bay]

Cuz warriors players got somthing to prove

[chrome falcon]

Because I cannot handle being told that 9k is good dps in keys

It’s melted my brain

[ancient vale]

Lol , I’m honestly surprised whenever I don’t get a grey parse tbh

[latent pier]

Screaming and stomping is part of our rotation

[waxen orbit]

Not so much comparing as saying that highest prot warr damage isn't even remotely close to highest damage of other tanks in M+

[daring bay]

"12k damage is to little, i cant hold aggro. Bear is doing 20k buuhuu"

[chrome falcon]

Who brought up aggro

[latent pier]

isn't bear even more cracked damage than prot

[ancient vale]

I’m a dps machine in raids what can I say

[mighty valley]

what if we're reasonable and some other tanks are out of line

[waxen orbit]

Yeah who brought up aggro lol

[latent pier]

prot paladin I mean

[daring bay]

:O

[sick sentinel]

damage for a tank is kinda aggro

[daring bay]

Imagen thinking warriors do reasonable damage

[chrome falcon]

Sure harrow I agree with you but that doesn’t change the conversation

[waxen orbit]

Right but relativity

[sick sentinel]

you do more damage you get more aggro

[waxen orbit]

If all the tanks are "out of line" then none of them are

[chrome falcon]

Reasonable is relative to the other tanks who get all our spots

[daring bay]

Warriors doing reasonable damage just makes to much sense for this discord

[chrome falcon]

And do the same dps as the actual dps

[ancient vale]

I feel like dmg and aggro is not linking up as it should be this patch and Something feels wrong that I can’t quite put my finger on haha

[daring bay]

Buuhuu cant get into a +20 with 2.2k rio score? how sad

[chrome falcon]

Ok I did not mean for this to dominate the discourse I promised I wouldn’t get baited and I did

[mighty valley]

our aggro is fine, that's not really part of the conversation

[chrome falcon]

This one is on me

[waxen orbit]

Nah bro you're just huffing dangerous amounts of copium and rushing into the discord to share

Can't have another OD

[daring bay]

the other tanks took YOUR! spot oh no

[chrome falcon]

I mean

Yes

[sick sentinel]

losing aggro as tank shouldn't be about you didn't do enough damage, partially, it should be you weren't attacking those monsters at all

[waxen orbit]

Yes

[daring bay]

xD

[chrome falcon]

Other tanks being so much stronger than us that people don’t want to play with prot is an issue

This is not really a debate

[daring bay]

i figured out why @chrome falcon is here, hes just salty becuse hes been getting declined all night xD

[waxen orbit]

LOL

[chrome falcon]

Bear being fucked up stupid broken is not a point of debate for normal human beings

[mighty valley]

can we all stop being weird

[sick sentinel]

brown for shit tier tank

[waxen orbit]

[ancient vale]

Man, I don’t even wanna play with myself tanking , how can I expect anyone else to

[daring bay]

@chrome falcon dont worry bro, when bfa classic is out u can get boosted by blizz overtuning ur class again. Keep praying brother one day u can keybind SB to thunderclap and run into packs with a 1 button macro

keep praying

[sweet summit]

@daring bay that's enough

[waxen orbit]

Someone get the kid's tablet

[chrome falcon]

I didn’t even play warrior in BFA after 8.1 but keep trying lil guy

[sweet summit]

leave it at that

all of you

[chrome falcon]

[sick sentinel]

at least i got KSM in bfa

TD or not

[waxen orbit]

[sick sentinel]

i would have without TD i think, but it sure as fuck helped

8.3 = pray for TD to literal delete

[waxen orbit]

Pugging Tol Dagor and watching a pug proc Twilight Dev and pull every fucking floor in the dungeon

[ancient vale]

TD was some dumb fun

[chrome falcon]

Corruption still feels like a fever dream

[waxen orbit]

It was

[ancient vale]

Lol

[waxen orbit]

It was all a hoax

[sick sentinel]

i would just attack shit and pray for shit to "get TD'd" is what i called it

[waxen orbit]

It never happened

[viral flume]

Got a 278 scale in vault last week, and rocking the heroic fatescribe cheat death trinket. Seems like warriors trinkets are set for the season eh

[sweet summit]

nah u can still get an upgrade by doing the nine mythic

[waxen orbit]

^

Aegis gonna be BIS rest of expansion

Easily

[chrome falcon]

Aegis feels almost mandatory at this point

[viral flume]

Is that for all tanks?

[waxen orbit]

Yea

[sick sentinel]

i want corruptions and artifact weapons and 2 legendary gears, 1 maybe trinket, and it all comes at start of some expansion together

[chrome falcon]

Yep it’s more stupid for some classes than others

But it’s ridiculous regardless

[ancient vale]

Ye aegis feels real nice

[viral flume]

Sheesh, I haven't looted it once.

[waxen orbit]

High tyran SD 3rd boss Iron Spikes without it is suicide

[sick sentinel]

along with the raids gear early is good, or needed, when you go to next tier

[ancient vale]

Idk how tf I wudda done skolex without aegis

[viral flume]

Hopefully won't need it on bdk lol. Just rocking scale on him.

Bdk is main btw

[waxen orbit]

What did you use Aegis for on Skolex? It's all burst damage (except the melees ofc but block/IP should be enough)

[chrome falcon]

If you’re pushing keys or mythic raid I’d recommend trying to grab an aegis but it’s tough to get these days

[thick wedge]

but what if we just made spell reflect passive and blocked all spells
then i wouldnt have to deal with the robots in spires that jump away and throw magic at me

[chrome falcon]

Using aegis to mitigate 4 ticks of rend, a melee, and a rifaw is good

[latent pier]

Is a heroic one still fine or is only mythic one really worth having

[chrome falcon]

Heroic is still fine

[waxen orbit]

Ya see I wouldn't know

https://tenor.com/view/dwarf-gif-24794499

[ancient vale]

So, with the wall and externals the burst damage was manageable, but rend would rip me to peices in between and I would have nothing for it

[waxen orbit]

Ignore the caption text on it. Just liked the gigachad dwarf meme

[chrome falcon]

Respectable

[waxen orbit]

Ahhh okay

[ancient vale]

Also rend and riftmaw both smack , so having heal between the two is nice

Like rend application was bonkers

[waxen orbit]

I fucking forget it's a mech as a dwarf. Sad, I know

[lilac bloom]

WHAT Ilevel do i need to be on heroic SDO

i can't seem to get inv and i'm 261

[waxen orbit]

[chrome falcon]

For heroic sanctum???

[mighty valley]

what is SDO

[waxen orbit]

261 is more than enough

SFO

He mistyped

[lilac bloom]

sfo

i mean sfo

[thick wedge]

yeah it drops 265 lmao

[waxen orbit]

If a group isn't taking you at 261 that's just the group being dumb

[chrome falcon]

Make your own group people are elitist shits

[waxen orbit]

I went in there at 251

[ancient vale]

Tbh tho, I likely would be better with something else but I only found out I would be tanking it like 2 weeks before and didn’t get trinkets prepped lol @waxen orbit

[lilac bloom]

yah its hard

they want 265

[waxen orbit]

That's totally fair man, can't fault you for that

[lilac bloom]

i think

[chrome falcon]

Yeah it’s dumb

[waxen orbit]

LFG is a cesspit

[lilac bloom]

i'm 11/11 but hard to get inv

[ancient vale]

Lol 265 for heroic? Oof

[lilac bloom]

3/11 heroic

[chrome falcon]

Your best shot is to keep spam trying or make your own

[waxen orbit]

I wish there was a way around LFG but it'll always be that roadblock for people without a guild

[ancient vale]

My main only got 265 today haha

[lilac bloom]

yah i do it with a gui;d

hard to pug these days

[latent pier]

At what point do we replace ows

If at all

[lilac bloom]

i see people doing 8/11 on heroic and i'm still low

[latent pier]

I'm currently still rocking aegis/ows.

[chrome falcon]

You could wear aegis OWS for the rest of this patch and not be mad about it

[ancient vale]

I wish I had that cheat death trinket , that would be so nice :/

[chrome falcon]

But I’d probably drop OWS for codex when stuff starts cranking you

Mythic bosses, 20+ etc

Or ticking sack for dps obviously

[ancient vale]

Sometimes I use the defence matrix thing

[latent pier]

It might just be an overbudgeted stat stick

But I'll miss ows when it's time to retire it

[cinder nova]

👀

SR, Vanguard, IP, Demo

Woof

[civic torrent]

@chrome falcon - u reckon Codex is that pog?

[cinder nova]

Nope.

Codex is only good if you're getting smashed

[civic torrent]

it seems average to me

[cinder nova]

And if that's happening as warr you're probably dead

Or need an actual defensive

And not codex

[civic torrent]

Err not necessarily

[cinder nova]

Yeah

It's mediocre

[civic torrent]

define "smashed"

[cinder nova]

Enough damage intake to justify using codex

Big, clobbering swings.

BDK uses it because that's basically their entire strat

Then they DS it off

We have no such luxury.

[chrome falcon]

Nah codex is good

[ancient vale]

What is the full item called , codex…?

[chrome falcon]

Of the first technique

Drops from streets

Codex smooths things out real nice

[civic torrent]

that 10% damage reflected isn't a DR right

[ancient vale]

Hmm is it just good for m+ because I barely see anyone use it in raid, but maybe just because they don’t have it?

[civic torrent]

I'd have to experiment with it

Matt do you have any logs of it

[latent pier]

Isn't it?

[civic torrent]

The way it's worded is it's a reflect

so you'd take 100% dam, and you reflect 10% of that damage back

i.e. you take 10,000 damage and you would reflect 1,000

[chrome falcon]

Uh

No

[sick sentinel]

so, new legendary is belt only?

[ancient vale]

U can craft it anywhere with enlightened revered

[latent pier]

Revered to craft it on any slot

[chrome falcon]

Codex reduces damage

Reflect means you don’t take the damage

[sick sentinel]

ohh

[latent pier]

So do these changes + codex make us like the best tank for taking a beating?

[sick sentinel]

well, i haven't played in like 6 months effectively

[chrome falcon]

You get 10% flat DR when it procs

And also do some damage

[sick sentinel]

gave up in nov/dec

[latent pier]

Kinda curious where we stand now

[civic torrent]

oh shit thats pretty pog

[crystal iris]

Same

[civic torrent]

I understood it differently

[ancient vale]

Seems decent but why arent I seeing it in any logs?

[latent pier]

What's the deal with it supposedly pulling things Matt?

[chrome falcon]

We’re definitely not the tankiest unless it’s pure physical

But we are much tankier now

[crystal iris]

We always spend outburst on SS never thunderclap right? Ever?

[chrome falcon]

It’s a bug sai so yeah wait for a fix if you’re worried

[latent pier]

Not too worried but that was my second question

[chrome falcon]

Correct, never TC outburst unless you will die without the IP

[latent pier]

Are you necro?

I've been playing around with it.