protection

[jagged pier]

nah with tier set u just spam away u have to much rage

and its not a bad thing anymore as it just fuels more big SSs

which is more revenges

[ionic fern]

Wasn't a bad thing before either, fueled AM. 😦
Now we just have all that extra rage so we don't have to sacrifice anything for it.

[deft hinge]

u can intervene backwards, but not charge. i want backwards charge!

[strong forum]

Noo my back

[deft hinge]

if pack is behind u have to turn anyway, charge is much quicker then mouseturn and charge/run. stun isnt always ready so the back-risk will always come in one form or another

[blazing condor]

You dont get hit in the back if you strafe out

[cinder nova]

272 no socket belt or 252 socket

I'm guessing 272

[blazing condor]

272

Cus main stat

[jagged pier]

291 belt because unity

[cinder nova]

ew belt unity and not helm

0/10 jake

[jagged pier]

well i dont have 4 set

let alone 4 178 peices

[cinder nova]

imagine not having 4p w5 kek

[jagged pier]

🤷

[west walrus]

"Personal loot is not a problem for 99% players" 🤔

[jagged pier]

doesnt matter im doign more damage than most ppl who have 4 set anyways

[west walrus]

I forgot to share with you, a holy paladin told me "I do not understand why prot warriors are not loved. I mean, you deal descent damage and I do not feel having to heal you more than a druid"

[strong forum]

Cuz everybody is bandwagoning

That's literally it

Nothing more nothing less

[jagged pier]

this is why

[ionic fern]

Oh

I also saw a tie rlist

[strong forum]

Ban all tierlists

Except this one

[ionic fern]

We saved guys.

[humble tendon]

thats the correct 1

[ionic fern]

SO MANY TIER LISTS.

But yes, agree on a shaman tank spec.

[jagged pier]

just thought bring rocks out of the ground and smashing face and encasing your body in stone and stuff is cool fantasy

[pine vector]

That used to be a thing, but then they got rid of their threat generation and tank talents

[jagged pier]

hopefully plays like enhance which apprently is fun

[dawn canyon]

correct tierlist

i mightve got the wrong dh icon

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

Imagine a ranged tank class like a summoner - just summoning specific "tank summons" for specific scenarios.
Big hit coming in ? - SUMMON THE BEEFY BOY!!!
Offtanking? - SUMMON THE OFFENSIVE BOY!!!
etc
ANd if you fuck up your summons..e.g your offensive boy gets smacked by a big hit it dies and goes on CD.

[dawn canyon]

that sounds cool

[ionic fern]

I always wanted a ranged tank class.

😦

[pine vector]

That used to be warlock and mage

[dawn canyon]

didnt warlock tank some shit in classic

[ionic fern]

Ya.

[dawn canyon]

with fire res

[pine vector]

Warlocks tanked Classic and TBC. Mages tanked wrath

[jagged pier]

locks tanked in mop

well sparkugz

tanked in mop

no other warlock

[lime urchin]

Sparkugz. Well that’s a name I haven’t read in a while

Jakey confirmed old fart

[jagged pier]

dude was literally insane

[ionic fern]

Or...imagine
You make a warrior..and instead of the current talent system you can choose which iteration of warrior you want to play over the courses of all Expansions..and be able to swap like this.

[jagged pier]

everyone remebers him for his lfr vid, i remeber him for tanking garrosh and CMs

[pine vector]

Just wait for another patch or two if they keep up their streak

[jagged pier]

i wouldnt change out of mop

[ionic fern]

😂

[jagged pier]

vengance

[ionic fern]

BUT SUNDER STACKING

[jagged pier]

[ionic fern]

[jagged pier]

HOLY FUCK vengence on the jailer or rygelon

you'd do so much damage

[hazy sinew]

i play prot warrior, prot paladin, and vengeance DH. the only thing i dont like with prot warrior is, we have to choose what we going to spend our rage, shield block or revenge. prot paladin's shield of the righteous act as threat and mitigation at the same time, not as good as shield block, but they don't have to choose. and DH's demon spike dont use resources, it has low uptime, but again, they don't have to pool resources to cast.

[west walrus]

Just pin it

[west walrus]

Demon hunter? 😏

[dawn canyon]

[dawn canyon]

agree

pwar supremacy

[strong forum]

I agree

[jagged pier]

[dry spear]

i think with 10.0 you will have the tinker range tank class and its all good.

[ionic fern]

I lowkey hate the idea of a tinkerer class.

[dawn canyon]

isnt that just the engi profession

[strong forum]

Same

Don't bring out more classes

We already have like 12 too many

Mage doesn't need 3 dps specs
Hunter doesn't need 3, warlock doesn't need 3

Rogue doesn't need 3

[hasty fjord]

So it sounds to me like you would be in favor of a huge talent over haul and reduce spec's... sounds like an interesting idea...could be said about Arms vs. Fury?

[strong forum]

Ye arms and fury could be made into 1 spec aswell

[dawn canyon]

I personally would prefer talents to be redone than overall spec diversity be reduced

[strong forum]

Both

[ionic fern]

Arcane = healer
BM = Tank
Outlaw = tank

Demo = tank

ALLL the tanks.

[jagged pier]

this legit looked fun as well to bad i didnt have a lock at the time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ieke_rvolY&ab_channel=Sparkuggz

imagine if there was actually more than 6 tank specs

might actually enjoy some

[cinder nova]

I see a lot of Wall on logs

Whats the deal

[jagged pier]

lots of magic damage which in low gear its better to run the wall

[strong forum]

Real men play reprisal

If you're in doubt what to play, do what sense does

[jagged pier]

thats what i do

[strong forum]

And low and behold

He only played wall on skolex

[jagged pier]

and pantheon

[strong forum]

Ya just saw

Cuz I guess you can't charge weave at all there?

[jagged pier]

🤷

they dont melee much

and there are some big tank hits

havent done it on mythic

[strong forum]

Ic

I'm scared by how many people on those logs just don't run unnerving focus

[jagged pier]

im aware

im also scared by how low the dps is

when they have 2 set

[strong forum]

Tru

A dude using brutal vit over unnerving focus

And he's venthyr aswell

[jagged pier]

venthyr or NF for desauges

but then again u dont need it i found out yesterday

[strong forum]

As it turns out venthyr is aight with 4p in St, but still..
Not using unnerving focus is a crime

[bold bolt]

i wish since ICC that shamans would get a tank spec

but nope 😦

[blazing condor]

Earth ele

[bold bolt]

[tropic linden]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CmWcTMzFgkQvDJAR#fight=1&type=summary&source=2

plz rate me

[ionic fern]

10/10

[strong forum]

Dragon roar?

[tropic linden]

Rlly?

[strong forum]

1 legendary?

[jagged pier]

casts are low

and your running dragon roar for some reason

[tropic linden]

Not a lot of time to play :p

[jagged pier]

everything else is fine

[ionic fern]

Oh, you mean the logs? I just rated your amazing beard.

[tropic linden]

Also nice!

[tropic linden]

Was scared to not have all my defensives when we go down, healers wasn't healing me much

[jagged pier]

no i mean your SS and general casts are low

[blazing condor]

Chad dragon roar who wouldnt wanna be a dragon

Instead of boomer voice

[ionic fern]

I would actually love to play Dragon Roar / IV if the talents were balanced.

[tropic linden]

Yeah, rlly don't know how to cast more

i'm pressing all i can everytime

[ionic fern]

Are you tho?

Record your gameplay.

And watch it back.

[jagged pier]

well i get 3-4 more casts a minute than u do

so u dont

[west walrus]

I love my realm, there are 3 top 30 pwarr

[tropic linden]

Gonna try recording

[blazing condor]

You should be able to press something every gcd

[tropic linden]

maybe i'm missmanaging rage

sometimes i just don't have rage to press something

[blazing condor]

Depends on leggo and setup as well ofc but with rep its pretty free

If you got no rage just intervene/charge

Not to mention if you run BV instead of DR thats even more free rage

And damage

[jagged pier]

more rage is more SS procs

which is more rage

which is more SS procs

[blazing condor]

Which is more rage

[jagged pier]

its an infinite feedback loop

[tropic linden]

The 20% DR isn't good to save? 20% looks like a lot

[jagged pier]

no

[blazing condor]

Just take fall damage 😎

[tropic linden]

If the toy from maw that launches u up in the sky was usable in raid.....

[ionic fern]

Just be a panda.

[jagged pier]

just charge back

[blazing condor]

Literally this

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/panda-dance-happy-animal-nature-gif-7872240

[strong forum]

Scawy wheewh

[blazing condor]

Me putting my hands up in vain before the uninterrupted shadowcore blasts me into oblivion

[jagged pier]

[blazing condor]

Cant reflect when i got my hands in the air

U see a shield there?

Broken gear i aint got shit on me

[sturdy sable]

Gotta reflect with the heart

[blazing condor]

(DoS went horrible)

[jagged pier]

i need to do a higher dos this week

i dont wanna

[blazing condor]

I’ll acc share with u

open up teamviewer

[tropic linden]

LOL, played once on teamviewer. Not that bad actually, if ur only doing world content

[radiant magnet]

Learned something new in my last DOS pug. Apparently the reason 4k ret pallies stand in one shot mechanics and die is because I don't pull big enough.

[ionic fern]

That's like tanking 101.

[strong forum]

Sounds about right

[radiant magnet]

he put it in ALL CAPS, so it must be true

[strong forum]

Especially coming from a ret pally

Who are....

Target capped...

So clearly you should've pulled more for them to shine

[radiant magnet]

they're target capped because we dont pull big enough

[strong forum]

How could I miss that!

[jagged pier]

tanking 101 always your fault

[strong forum]

Silly me

[radiant magnet]

obvious even to a ret pally

[ionic fern]

I also blame @wild rampart for all my deaths as a Fury warrior yesterday in the key we did.

Shit tank.

[wild rampart]

Should have Soaked the traps and Deadly Thursts for you, that's right 😦

[radiant magnet]

use your warrior immunities

[wild rampart]

aka Yell at my paladin to bubble through all of them, it's the secret shout that not many people have

[radiant magnet]

call out "I need a BOP" then /dance for 8s

[wild rampart]

I'm pretty sure i've been in that scenario before and everyone somehow died 🤔

[radiant magnet]

cause you didnt pull big enough

[uncut notch]

I was top prot last season with c2300 score

It wasnt close either

I'm fairly certain we have 3 or 4 prot mains

Lot of the prot mains i knew switched to PPal tho which is stacked at around 2900+

[lofty widget]

is there any way to see crit blocks in logs?

[strong forum]

You could probably write a complicated pin to filter that out

But generally no

Can only check the events tab and then look for hits where you blocked huge amounts

1 example I had a few weeks ago was showing how OP block is to some other peeps where the pre-mit hit was 140k but due to critblock and IP it went down to like 12k

Or even 2k if there was another absorb involved

If you have shields + critblock is the same as parrying that hit

[blazing condor]

How close is jailer to dying rn? If anyone knows

Who got best%

[jagged pier]

20%

room nearly full

some signs there might be somthing secret but also signs that there isnt

🤷

[strong forum]

Oh you're into astrology too

[jagged pier]

[strong forum]

[jagged pier]

hope the secret is a different cut scene

we wake up

all just a dream

[strong forum]

No that's where the nightmare starts

S4 is just a feverdream

10.0 we wake up

And have to defeat the jailer who changed reality

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-me-up-inside-evanescence-amy-lee-gif-12122545

[blazing condor]

We wake up and we’re still in icc just slain by frostmourne

Everything since then was a dream

My character just decided to be a furry panda in his dream tho

[sweet summit]

[teal swift]

https://c.tenor.com/odga3lmG94cAAAAM/evanescence-wakemeup.gif

@jagged pier

[jagged pier]

[serene saffron]

You guys having fun with prot? I just resubbed after missing most of 9.1 and the new tier bonuses with prot and double legendary look fun.

[ionic fern]

Mucho fun.

[west walrus]

Never played that much before

[west walrus]

Why not ? 🙃

[ancient reef]

there any way to skip the zentis quest up to unity belt

[jagged pier]

https://tenor.com/view/no-bugs-bunny-nope-gif-14359850

[tropic linden]

but u just need to get the memory on one character to craft on the others

[teal swift]

Or just unsub

[west walrus]

Hey Yuzu

[tropic linden]

Nice tips on banner usage

[blazing condor]

writers

[tropic linden]

maybe a little bit outdated hahaha

[upper flame]

Guys, where do you usually tank Solea'h? somewhere near the walls on the edge?

(2nd phase)

[naive panther]

Necrolord is pretty nice as prot. I can keep banner going a whole pull and into the next if I keep it rolling. Max I get as fury is 40 sec. 33 avg

[lofty widget]

i just tank her in the middle but apparently dragging her to a corner makes dodging stuff super easy

[upper flame]

I just tanked it in the middle on an 18 and healer was kinda angry

I absolutely understand him, just wondering where ppl usually take it

[lofty widget]

it's easy to dodge regardless imo but the corner is pretty foolproof

[sweet summit]

in middle

lines are very well telegraphed

usually pull it a bit out away from stars when lines come tho

[lofty widget]

also if you tank in the corner you need to run super far for the stars

[upper flame]

Yeah thats what my concern is

[blazing condor]

dont see why you should tank somewhere else tbh

most important thing is to minimize risk and the only real risk are the stars

so play around making them as easy as poss

[upper flame]

I mean I understand that its a pain in the *** to heal this fight with grievous when you need to cast

In the middle it is, then

Thanks

[chrome falcon]

anyone telling you to move soleah out of the middle is 1) a fuckin coward 2) fuckin bad

[blazing condor]

Kungen just solo'd jailer i cant believe it

nihilum wf

[raven gulch]

which slot are people putting unity as a second crafted legendary?

[lime urchin]

How many tier you got

[lofty widget]

belt is a solid spot until your tier pieces allow you to put it on helmet

[dark lark]

Sure, but why make it harder for people not as good as you anyway? Shouldn't we enable our teammates? Tanking it in a corner does that, and leaping out to solo the collapsing star is trivial

[chrome falcon]

no

as warriors, it is our duty to forge out fellow combatants into indestructible soldiers

[chilly brook]

wait wait wait

why is it hard?

in the middle

?

[chrome falcon]

giving them the easy way out hurts them more than it hurts the boss

also yeah

tanking it in the middle is actually just as hard as the outside

bad players will get hit regardless

[chilly brook]

Like what about it makes it hard?

[ocean yoke]

Me zug zug not look look

[dark lark]

Some people have a hard time turning their cameras looking for stars to dodge

[chilly brook]

the arrows coming out of the stars?

[dark lark]

I personally don't think it's hard but it does kill a lot of people lol

[chilly brook]

if they can't dodge in the middle they're gonna get clapped elsewhere

it's so slow

these are the melee that get hit by the green goop on Lords of Dread

[dark lark]

Having an elitist mentality won't help you time keys, but doing what you can to just remove a potential problem for your team will 🙂

If you have a pre-set group that can dodge in the middle, more power to you

I'm just saying that tanking in the corner away from the stars makes it easier for most groups/pugs

It's objectively easier to dodge fragments coming from one general direction rather than 5, however slow they might be

[chilly brook]

it's not even elitist to ask someone to just look and dodge

they're not hard to see

they're only hard to see and dodge if you a) bury your eyes in the meters or action bar b) close your eyes c) turn off your monitor or d) all of them because you decided you wanted to avoid a monitor tan

[dark lark]

And some people do that, even in 20s and up

[shell shale]

I personally found pulling to side fked my groups more. Because when that soak orb overlapped with it. Someone would always get hit trying to run back into the middle for it.

[chrome falcon]

^

neither way is objectively easier

just tank it in the middle and people will learn to dodge

no dps or healing check on that fight

[raven gulch]

x3 tier helm/legs/hands

[waxen orbit]

I personally tank So’leah in those little market alcoves

(If the stars aren’t there)

[lime urchin]

Jakey or Norm or Erga or another old fart can answer this better than me

[sweet summit]

craft unity on belt

WHY DOES

FIRST TECHNIQUE

NINJAPULL

MOBS

[blazing condor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/463452854389047297/956959378727120957/cringe_theres_no_other_word_for_it.mp4

[raven gulch]

cheers :>

[mighty cairn]

you can or could used to use first technique to pull mobs through maze right

and the hoa miniboss

apparently it has a huge pull range if you’re targeting something?

[chrome falcon]

sorry what

how can it pull mobs

how does that work

[mighty cairn]

some weird bug

apparently the proc can hit and aggro things from like 100yds

there some wowhead comments about it on the item page

idk how it work

[distant crystal]

presumably you target something through the wall

and get hit by mobs on your side

and it pulls them?

[chrome falcon]

no apparently it even happens out of combat and during invis pots

as long as you have the buff up

[misty sail]

there is a better cov at 4p for prot?

[distant crystal]

would like to see that, maybe if you have a dot ticking or something w/ the buff?

[chrome falcon]

dot would kick you out of invis

[strong forum]

necrolord for raid
kyr/nf for m+

[waxen orbit]

NF for target capped pulls/distanced pulls if you’re damage monkeying

Kyr if not target capped pulls/close-packed pulls (also if you’re damage monkeying)

NF works p well on ToP for that purpose with all the skips and time between certain pulls, as well as the lack of 5+ target pulls

Also I underestimated just how tanky necro would be in raid goddamn

Pumped 95 IPs during h Anduin kill last night on prog and still parsed a 95 dmg

Not my best parse, pretty low for my usual, but for 95 IPs I was expecting something abysmal like a 80

[chrome falcon]

those 95 IPs could have been 95 more executes

[waxen orbit]

Dw I didn’t waste a single execute in final phase

But damn dawg during intermissions I could’ve spammed so much more revenge

[strong forum]

outburst IPs also count towards casts

[ocean reef]

They still haven't fixed this?

[chrome falcon]

it's great because my cotank is bdk so he just wants to tank the boss all the time so i just let him solo tank shit sub 20% and blast executes

[safe thistle]

thats nice

[patent osprey]

Necrolord is pretty fun in high keys since its the most defensive option atm

im getting like 65% uptime of banner throughout the key without 4 set

[waxen orbit]

^ If I genuinely push again this season I can’t fucking wait to try it out

How is it with chain pulling?

[chrome falcon]

I've been doing kyrian in 20/21 but i think higher than that necro is the way to go

[safe thistle]

do you feel like a bear ? 😛

[chrome falcon]

PLEASE DO NOT MENTION THE ORANGE CLASS

[safe thistle]

hahaha

[strong forum]

even bears dont feel like bears

[chrome falcon]

IST VERBOTEN

[waxen orbit]

There is no bear in Ba Sing Se

[mighty cairn]

bear should be a filtered word

[strong forum]

bears are just a pulsing load of bullshit

thats what bears are

[safe thistle]

but true i switched necro for this week raid and man i felt so tankier

[tame jasper]

yeah, more like dps monsters (our did 22,5k dps overall on heroic andiun yesteday..)

[patent osprey]

Chain pulling is the same, TBH, you don't want to rush, and if it falls off, it falls off. Its just pretty tanky with the 400 extra mastery

[waxen orbit]

I almost rejected the Thwump and embraced the Thwash man. Dark times

[patent osprey]

The most awkward thing is trying to get banner on your ranged during their cds

You have to banner then charge in

[safe thistle]

the only things i miss is the extra dps button from NF/kyr as necro since its passive

[chrome falcon]

I played bear in 9.0 and it was so miserable that I can't imagine it being fun

[waxen orbit]

Yeah that’s the one thing I felt like would be wonky

[tame jasper]

easy solved: range get to you xD

[safe thistle]

im m+ as long as healer stand the farthest youll get all dps buffed

[waxen orbit]

I have a rogue buddy who yells at me when I chain pull because sometimes she misses the global opportunity to restealth

[patent osprey]

rarely happens esp if u have hpal/MW monk

[safe thistle]

true but i do team with priest a lot :/

[patent osprey]

even priest

because of boon

they are in melee alot

[safe thistle]

ahhhh then maybe those i played with werent using it

[waxen orbit]

Good thing my healer is a boomie weaver

[chrome falcon]

most druids catweave too

so it's real annoying

[safe thistle]

so now the farthest healer standing would be shaman ?

[waxen orbit]

That or boomieweave

[safe thistle]

i do love shaman healer bring an extra interrupt sicne pugs dps are brain dead

[waxen orbit]

Like Plka said tho, you can just banner and charge back in

[chrome falcon]

Shamans should be close too in theory becasue their kick is short range

right?

[waxen orbit]

Not something to change a whole healer around

[waxen orbit]

Nah it’s p far

[patent osprey]

Shamans can be close because of spirit linkt oo

[chrome falcon]

^

[patent osprey]

but honestly it doesnt matter

[safe thistle]

15 yards ish ?

[patent osprey]

don't try to min max the healer out

the most I do in high keys is yell at my healer to GTFO on pull of bosses

then he comes in after

[chrome falcon]

I just ask if anyone wants me to save banner when it's coming up and if they want me to wait more than 15 seconds then too bad

[patent osprey]

Also HUGE tech

[chrome falcon]

It's really just a personal

[patent osprey]

Banner boy in TOP, means you are never slow on Xav

[safe thistle]

thers a wa that share your cd on banner so ppl come to you instead

[patent osprey]

Fucking

HUGE

on Xav boys

[chrome falcon]

YES

[waxen orbit]

!!

[chrome falcon]

when the boss spawns a banner sub 20%

just tell your group to ignore it

[patent osprey]

it was cancer playing prot war vs something like prot pal

[chrome falcon]

and make them all slow immune during the combo

[patent osprey]

that could just freedom

but banner is godlike and i love it

[strong forum]

plka i have to flame

[patent osprey]

and im never not playing banner in top

[strong forum]

im sorry but i have to

[safe thistle]

but its only you that get immune the other get speed boost right ?

[strong forum]

i just checked your vod and you used 2 outbursts back to back on xav

smh

i cant believe youve done this

[patent osprey]

Nom >.> look man, ive played prot warrior 1 day this week

[strong forum]

[patent osprey]

Ill get there

[strong forum]

is fine you dont have 4p

so i miss spoke

[patent osprey]

yeah

dafuq

[strong forum]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-bowing-michael-scott-steve-carell-the-office-gif-5632990

[patent osprey]

i dont have 4 piece

i dont care about avatar outburst

[safe thistle]

i only get mine in the lfr so far......

[patent osprey]

Wish me luck on Sunday when my warrior goes to an alt run T_T

just need 1 more piece for 4 set

[chrome falcon]

i got my 5th piece of tier this week so i can get my 291 helmet meanwhile 4 of my best dps don't have their 4pc yet thanks blizz very cool

[safe thistle]

2 more weeks before catalyst

then we will all in 1 month be mythic geared tier piece

[strong forum]

my question is

if you upgrade a 278 chest, does it turn into 285

[patent osprey]

^ I don't think so

[safe thistle]

no

[strong forum]

would be neat

[patent osprey]

cause the m+ versions of the tier are 278

[tame jasper]

no

[safe thistle]

and if you turn a 272 it stay 272

[patent osprey]

but if you get it out of raid cache then its 285

[tame jasper]

you "just" add the tier set bonus

all otehr stats, including sockets and enchants stay the same

[strong forum]

nah you turn the item into the tier item with its tier stats

[safe thistle]

nah it turn into a tier peice of same ilvl you get the stats of the piece

but do you keep socket and extra stat like avoindance .....

[strong forum]

so you cant get haste vers on every tier item

theyre always the same stats

[safe thistle]

i have shoulder with speed wonder if the speed will stay

[strong forum]

should

[patent osprey]

gotta get those 285 jailer pants, so you can turn them into 285 tier

[safe thistle]

would be juicy

[strong forum]

big jooce

[patent osprey]

def though, even with 4 set on my brew

i still love my warrior the most

sadness

[safe thistle]

yah co tank had over 300k hp

asd brew

had fun i finally taunted anduin when he was over 50 stacks

[strong forum]

you dont track banner uptime?

i feel like youd want to track that

[red willow]

Hi all. Was looking for advice on Her Skolex. Pretty new to Prot Warr and tanking so any advice would be greatly appreciated. One of the things I tend to struggle with the most on that fight is mitigating the Riftmaw casts. The rest of the fight is kinda shaky too, I always feel like I’m getting chunked even with SB up almost every time he’s autoing.

[safe thistle]

do you split correctly rend so you dont go too high stacks

[red willow]

Yep

[spare meteor]

Does anybody know Ignore Pain math? Is it just 50% less damage taken until it hits the threshold?

[safe thistle]

spell reflect + 1 IP on riftmaw should be good

[strong forum]

its literally the absorb amount

if you take 1mil dmg, and have 20k IP

you take 980k dmg

if you take 30k dmg and have 20k IP, you will be left with 15k dmg taken and have 5k IP left

[red willow]

Are you supposed to end up with like 25% HP still after 2 IP casts and SR tho?

[safe thistle]

i think you restack not fast enought on tank maybe and get the jaws

?

[red willow]

Its possible

[safe thistle]

outside of the tank combo it doesnt hurt unless your not stacked

[red willow]

We were hugging up until ever tank combo so I dont think it could be that

[strong forum]

you got logs

[safe thistle]

^

[red willow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/QznX8q6PCtj9bZ2g#fight=8&type=summary&source=3

[strong forum]

look at those jaws

thats loads

[spare meteor]

can u elaborate why 5k left in this scenario?

[strong forum]

cuz it only absorbs 50%

[spare meteor]

and is prot Ignore Pain different than Arma/fury?

[strong forum]

no

only the CD is shorter

IP will never absorb more than 50% of an attack, and if the attack exceeds 200% of the total absorb IP provides, it will be completely eaten and not reduce ANY dmg beyond it

[red willow]

I always tried to have shield block up during the longer melee phases altho I didnt use it occasionally to save it for rend

[strong forum]

its literally a shield like any other

but it only absorbs 50% as much in 1 go

thats it

[spare meteor]

thanks a ton!

I'm not prot I play arms in pvp and was curious to how exactly IP works

it is usually enough to stop an enemy GO in 2v2 if im in dstance

[strong forum]

ya in pvp its nutty

cuz dmg intake isnt several kdtps

[spare meteor]

kdtps? enlighten me pls? 🙏

[strong forum]

k = kilo = 1000

dtps = damage taken per second

so if you can increase your ehp by 10-20k with 1 single small CD

thats huge

in pve not as much, for tanks

[safe thistle]

low shield block uptime

[jagged pier]

Riftmaw is magic damage, in hc your should be fine with IP+Demo if need be but u should SW up for alot of the LS up for a few of them and u can just ask for externals, and if its your turn to take rend the first hit of that is blockable so have SB up for that

[safe thistle]

seems you tried to pool your rage into IP

and lacked rage for shield block ?

[red willow]

There were a lot of points in the fight when I saved it for combo

I tend to save casting it cause im worried ill cast it and the boss will cast its abilities

[safe thistle]

i dont see any spell reflection used ?

[red willow]

This was one of my worse pulls

Also what should my SB uptime look like?

[safe thistle]

you play with the wall ?

[red willow]

Yeh

[safe thistle]

60ish ?+

i see you blocked 43% of the jaws and 37% of his melee

parctice make perfect

[strong forum]

👏 use 👏 spell 👏 👏 reflection 👏

[red willow]

And just a general question, should you stack CDs like SB with SW or not?

[safe thistle]

its not perfect but here one of my kill so you can compared

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/4KCHhZj7q2WJ1Xcp#fight=23&type=damage-taken&source=6

[strong forum]

It's 25% magic DR for free

[red willow]

Ty

[strong forum]

With only a 25sec CD

It's one of the strongest buttons in the game

Abuse that shit

[red willow]

And yeh def I need to remember to actually press buttons

[safe thistle]

see how i only have 6% dmg from jaws

[strong forum]

Anytime you know/think magic dmg is coming your way, press that shit

It's OP even if it can't reflect

[red willow]

Geeze, thats so little compared to mine

Gotta learn how to do that

and not be bad

[safe thistle]

70% blocked hit

make a difference too on dmg taken

oh ya avoid the blue circle on ground it will kill your defensive unntil cleanse

no melee should be on tank side

[red willow]

That happened all the time as well

[safe thistle]

the only time melee get clsoe is during retch

and they go backa fterward

with the wall over 4minute you shoudl had more than 3 cast of shieldwall too no ?

[red willow]

I tended to save it cause Im always second guessing whether I need it or not

[safe thistle]

trying to save cd jsut make them be useless with the wall every seconds its on on cooldown your leggo is wasted

i can be used on tank combo asap when rdy

[red willow]

I gotta start actually just using my abilities

[safe thistle]

im not pro at logs but ya i think youll get better and need better tank stacking/melee out of tank area

it will def improve

[quaint glade]

hello can anyone please send me the wa which tells how much % of adds are missing in the m+?

[red willow]

And just a question about your jaw dmg, the difference in dmg taken was mainly because of SB uptime w/ fnp?

[chilly brook]

78% blocked hits is low

I had 82% in CN on sludge running The Wall

[safe thistle]

its just about been well stacked

fr jaws

[chilly brook]

You should probably be pushing somewhere around 90% on this fight

[red willow]

We were side by side, should we have been on top of each other?

[safe thistle]

do you separe too early on tank combo

or return too late

not coming back quick ennought after pushback from burrow

[red willow]

Its possible I split too much off, I cant really tell how big the cones are

[chilly brook]

your cotank is a bear should just be able to both charge back at same time

[red willow]

it was weird, sometimes we could both get the charge and other times no

[safe thistle]

press button mid-air

or youll get too far

for cahrge

[red willow]

I gotta try spamming my button for it more then

[chrome falcon]

If you intervene your cotank on skolex do you fuck yourself 🤔

[radiant magnet]

during riftmaw-rend cycle you can

[sweet summit]

intervene the dh

let them die

[magic mulch]

question, is this gemstone worth using over shard of annhylde's aegis?

[sweet summit]

no 🙂

[magic mulch]

i didnt think so

cant get the taz tank trinket to drop nor a season 3 shard from dos

scale*

[atomic current]

Is the wall still good for raid?

[sweet summit]

it's pretty good, but worse than a well played reprisal

[atomic current]

Ok. Going to try and get back into prot warrior. I was just curious. Thank you

[waxen orbit]

Literally served this key on a silver platter
But the warrior fucking missed
The one kick on Unstable Rift
That was his
Twice
And wiped us
Cost us 2 minutes
Unfuckingbelievable

Missed timing 21 Gambit by 18 seconds

Kill me

[distant crystal]

kills Thwump

[sturdy sable]

You madman

[waxen orbit]

Wiped twice to Unstable Rift

[sturdy sable]

Hes dead

[mighty cairn]

when are you switching to horde

[mighty egret]

swithcing to DI dwarf in 9.2.5

[cinder dirge]

dwarves are pog in PF and SD dude

2min CD auto dispell disease in PF such as slow and carac reduction
dispell P1 and P3 on last boss of PF
Bleeding on SD

who needs kyrian pot when you're a dwarf 😄

[sturdy sable]

Who needs kyrian pot

Tis a crutch! A crutch i say

[jagged pier]

Year of the spear

[distant crystal]

bears use spears

checks out

[solar adder]

what missives should i use for reprisal?

[jagged pier]

Haste vers

[solar adder]

thanks

[blazing condor]

i forgor

whats good CPM in a key now

[chrome falcon]

is there no +20 achievement for tazavesh?

that's annoying

[sweet summit]

u need both

dungeons

to get the tp

[blazing condor]

kinda based tbh

[sweet summit]

[solar adder]

what about missives for elsyian might?

[blazing condor]

haste vers or haste crit id imagine

[sweet summit]

haste vers

[latent pier]

Is codex better than initially thought?

[dark lark]

Good defensively, bad damage

[blazing condor]

codex will help you defensively more than rdm would

[jagged pier]

Its a flat 10%dr its great in high keys rygelon and jailer 👍

Lots of other fights actually as well

It turned hc rygelon into a joke for me this week, even did it with the wromg leggo and took less damage than the week before, in know i full reset of gear across everyone makes a difference but my gear didnt change that much

[chilly brook]

10% flat dr is slept on

[jagged pier]

I did say it the other day when ppl were saying its bad

But ppl only seems to care about the damage it deals

Which is actually quite alot depending on how hard u get hit 👍

Never as much as a bdk but u get decent damage out of it

[west walrus]

Does it work after or before stagger ?

[jagged pier]

That i dont know, but i think its better for monk thand rdm as it works in the same way as rdm i think

🤷‍♂️

[sturdy sable]

I dunno rdm is pretty cracked for brew

[chrome falcon]

so just to clarify, it always DRs for 10% but has a cap on how much damage it does?

[jagged pier]

Its just 10%dr

But as we mitigate so much damage anyway ot just does no damage

Its fucking huge for dr

[chrome falcon]

how often does the ninja pull bug screw you

like if you're careful does it just not happen

[jagged pier]

The ninja pull bug?

[sweet summit]

it happened twice for me

[jagged pier]

Never noticed anything but i only got it this week and have done like no keys

[sweet summit]

which was enough to make me unqeuip it

[chrome falcon]

very weird bug

sometimes if you have the buff jakey if you target a mob it will just

pull it

[sweet summit]

i wasn't even targeting the mobs i pulled tho

idk

[chrome falcon]

oh

even better

[jagged pier]

Meh hasnt happened to me and it will get fixed

[chrome falcon]

yeah hopefully

[jagged pier]

So will be good then

[chrome falcon]

it has been a thing since release but no-one ever equipped it before now

[jagged pier]

Hence why it hasnt been fix

[chrome falcon]

yup

[austere forum]

But if I wanna turn my brain off.. the wall is ok? Like - I haven’t worked out when to leap out. - charge and intervene … when I don’t have aggro? Right before a taunt swap?

[whole sphinx]

Anytime u can?

Throw some intervenes on close melee

[jagged pier]

No if u play the wall u have to think more about Sb useage

[austere forum]

Ok another question please. Do you bother to keep up SB when your off tank? Except for Skrillex.

[jagged pier]

U only use sb when not tanking when u know u can have 2 charges back for when u start tanking again

Like pointless otherwise

Because u wont have maximum effective uptime on the boss

Same with using it when the boss is casting etc etc

[austere forum]

Thanks

I wanna beat the lowest DPS as well (secret goal) any tips to pump?

[jagged pier]

U arent if they play well

Even with 4 set

And if your going to pump u need to ignore any thought of playing defnsivly correctly

[scenic mural]

prolly not pumping if using the wall as well

[distant fractal]

Necrolord banner stacks right?

[chrome falcon]

huh

no

if you mean like, popping banner while it's still up? no

just goes to 15 seconds again

[distant fractal]

Nah, i mean, if another warrior pops banner beside you.

[jagged pier]

Nope

[safe thistle]

nope it will choose other ppl if in a raid

[jagged pier]

Then u would just stack 10 warriors and get them to all pop around a lock or somthing

4000 mastery

[safe thistle]

hahaha

[strong forum]

Buffs rarely every stack in wow unless specifically mentioned.
They almost always refresh the buff instead of just getting 2

[jagged pier]

Not broken at all

[distant fractal]

I figured it may stack where you get one Bannerholder buff and one Banner proximity buff.

[chrome falcon]

4k mastery and chain rallies*

[safe thistle]

i miss those meme raid run like in BFA with TB

[distant fractal]

I keep hearing people say that it stacked and that's why it got nerfed.

[jagged pier]

It never stacked

And it was only nerfed for fury

Cause they could get 100% uptime

[safe thistle]

it got nerf for fury because it was wayyy too easy to 100% uptime

[jagged pier]

We still can

[chrome falcon]

[strong forum]

Prot bad

[chrome falcon]

fury suck prot best

[strong forum]

Stay on the dl

[chrome falcon]

fury having 100% banner uptime? nah that's a problem

but the pepegas playing prot warrior can have it that's fine

[safe thistle]

cause our dps is bad already in ST

[strong forum]

I'm certain blizz doesn't know

Lowkey

[chrome falcon]

jailer already dead if they have a prot warrior blasting executes with 6 blood stacks

[latent pier]

perception works in our favor here

[chrome falcon]

it is known

[latent pier]

blood stacks?

[lofty widget]

banner executes just hit different

[chrome falcon]

mythic jailer mechanic

[latent pier]

ah

[chrome falcon]

yeah in execute literally

[latent pier]

i havent been watching

[chrome falcon]

just executes, outbursted SS, and reprisals

SB if your cotank is making you tank like an asshole

all you need

[safe thistle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hMqvb8QiUk&ab_channel=Cylz

[lofty widget]

that s exactly what it is!

[chrome falcon]

i love this fucking video

[safe thistle]

lol i watch it from time to time just love it

[strong forum]

I wanted to recreate that with avatar in bfa

[latent pier]

i laughed

i cried

[strong forum]

But never got around to it

[latent pier]

everyone died

[strong forum]

And once pwar became meta in s2, it wasnt as funny anymore to recreate it

[latent pier]

whats the highest crit you've gotten thus far

without +damage cheese with a mechanic like anduin

[lofty widget]

i've hit a 35k crit i think

[dawn canyon]

this but necro protwar

[safe thistle]

you need a good co-tank that know you want him to tank more during 20%- 😛

[distant fractal]

I think I was just misreading a post about Necro banners. "At the same time, multiple banners really should not be able to stack on the same player."

[jagged pier]

Shoulsnt matter u should still be ysing SB to boost outburst SS

[strong forum]

You'll cycle through so much rage, you'll be plenty tank in execute

I do

[chrome falcon]

@latent pier 41k B)

[strong forum]

Tier made us rage monsters

And you can have 100% banner uptime in rage

For massive St dam

[chilly brook]

the amount of health you'll recuperate by hitting execute in banner will make up for not pressing IP

🙂

[strong forum]

It's lost in the nether

F

[chrome falcon]

@chilly brook no need IP against a dead boss

[chilly brook]

Exactly

[chrome falcon]

kyr m+ NL raiding

[chilly brook]

boi

pins

no

[chrome falcon]

there are four covenants in shadowlands

[chilly brook]

Mwahi already did

just read the pin

[chrome falcon]

one of them are called the naughty lubricators = NL

i don't understand your question

[chilly brook]

in the raid

on the boss

[chrome falcon]

it is in the raid, you get it from killing bosses

[chilly brook]

that you haven't killed

[chrome falcon]

i think we might be being memed on

[chilly brook]

Well clearly you can't see

lmfao

because it's a token

[chrome falcon]

damn i guess we just collectively hallucinated it

[chilly brook]

not a plate item

[chrome falcon]

no tier set in 9.2 blizz lied 😦

[chilly brook]

you loot it

and use it in inventory

and it becomes gear

ez

https://www.wowhead.com/item-set=1506/armaments-of-the-infinite-infantry

lol def being trolled

this is how tier has worked since like WoD

[safe thistle]

perfect recruit for warrior a man that reflect the ZugZug community.

[chilly brook]

WoD had tokens

[safe thistle]

welcome young soul

[chrome falcon]

@chilly brook since wod? brother tier worked like this in TBC

its always been a token

[safe thistle]

even vanilla

[chrome falcon]

that you either click or exchange

[chilly brook]

we def being trolled

[chrome falcon]

yes

we knew you were coming back and we all agreed to troll you

scroll up you'll find it, it was around last month we decided

trade secret

[dawn canyon]

haste best ye

[strong forum]

ya something changed

haste went from being the best stat

[lofty widget]

strength best

[strong forum]

to being the OMGEA BEST STAT

[chilly brook]

no

the answer is no

[strong forum]

ofc same leggo

lol

[chrome falcon]

same leggo but also... the other leggo

that's TWO leggo

[jagged pier]

Play what ever sense plays 🙏

[chrome falcon]

yes that's twice as many as before

it's crazy

jakey does that mean i should unequip my 4set?

[strong forum]

ye

if sense doesnt have 4p

you dont have 4p

[jagged pier]

Well u do less damage with 4 set

[strong forum]

its true

[jagged pier]

So its not helping u

[ionic fern]

Dude

FAQ

Or any guide

Literally.

Read it

[jagged pier]

The other leggo is just cov leggo

[oblique garnet]

🤔

[safe thistle]

why would you do less dmg with 4p over 2p

[ionic fern]

??

The more reason

[jagged pier]

Its simple honestly a skill issue

[ionic fern]

To read a guide.

[chrome falcon]

the questions you're asking aren't from people who are new at the game, it's from people who actually aren't playing the game

[strong forum]

youre so new that you have r1 m+ title

[jagged pier]

[chrome falcon]

oh frick sense does have me beat on some bosses even without 4pc

you don't, you had to be subbed when 9.2 came out

sad !

[jagged pier]

U can do the whole campain in zerith mortis now

In like a couple of hours

Thats it

U get a free belt

That belt is your double leggo but u cant upgrade or change it to a different slot

U need revered for that

[chilly brook]

can we get another patch with double the lego's we have now?

[chrome falcon]

no

[chilly brook]

F

[chrome falcon]

because that would make other tanks even MORE better than us

orange class would get two thrash legendaries, we would get wall in keys

[chilly brook]

I mean

[safe thistle]

reprisal the wall together aint bad though

[chilly brook]

The Wall in keys on top of what he have would be pog

you think you have a lot of rage now?

[chrome falcon]

wouldn't do any damage

[safe thistle]

seismic

yum

[chilly brook]

truuuuuu

[chrome falcon]

oh true

i haven't tried ripping a seismic key yet

too broke

[safe thistle]

signet

leaper

3 leap 2 charge

2 shield wall charge

nahh we would be broken as much as other 😛

[west walrus]

Give us back infinite reflect, as in Legion :(

[safe thistle]

fun detected. No

[chrome falcon]

equipping double SR legendary for medivh and doing 30-40% of the bosses' hp on your own

was a vibe

[sweet girder]

One of you should know

what is this retarded bug with necrolord, that the moment i click a mob

even at 40 years

it aggroos it

[strong forum]

that sounds pretty new

[sweet girder]

wish i was joking though, something triggers a pull 😄

[chrome falcon]

You wearing codex of the first technique?

[jagged pier]

^

[sweet girder]

ye

i suspected that

[chrome falcon]

that'd do it

[sweet girder]

but it shouldnt, didnt do it last 2 weeks

[jagged pier]

Then its codex

[sweet girder]

had it for weeks

[chrome falcon]

nop that's what it is

[sweet girder]

ah well its only 15-17s so its manageable, just wondering cause it didnt happen before until after i am leveling necrolord, so went "wtf"

[jagged pier]

Nah its just codex

[distant fractal]

@chrome falcon @jagged pier @safe thistle @strong forum Just tested banner, it does stack.

[chrome falcon]

wat

that's whacky

[distant fractal]

Went from 455 Mastery to 1395, and some of that was from titanic Occular gland switching to it.

[chilly brook]

?

lol

This patch is giga friendly to alts

Only one toon needs revered

then double lego is unlocked for crafting on every toon on your account

and you don't even need to raid for tier

like in two weeks you can craft tier

[strong forum]

its legit the most "raidloggable" tier in recent history

[distant fractal]

The only unfriendly part is lego costs.

[chilly brook]

Lego cost has tanked

like 50k for max rank rn on my server

way lower than 9.1

[chrome falcon]

must be nice

try playing on tarren mill 🙃

[whole sphinx]

Ya leggo bases went up after blizz announced more plentiful mats lol

[waxen orbit]

First swing at necro in keys... Not awful

19 SD. Damage isn't anything remarkable but not bad

Plka was right, feels a lot tankier

[oblique garnet]

🤔your dps players are not very good

[waxen orbit]

It's a pug

If I had a defined group, we'd all be higher for sure

[oblique garnet]

Its because banner is essentially the same as BoM azerite from bfa

[sweet summit]

ya necro doesn't feel awful

[oblique garnet]

But with ~100% uptime

[strong forum]

budget bom

[oblique garnet]

Why would it be budget bom?

[strong forum]

its alot less

[sweet summit]

less stats

but higher uptime

[oblique garnet]

How much mastery is banner

[strong forum]

you had 60-70% uptime on avatar

banner is 400

so 10% mastery

[sweet summit]

~17% or something

[chrome falcon]

408!

[strong forum]

bom was fucking 40% mastery

[sweet summit]

i go from 24% to 41% with banner

[chrome falcon]

banner is also 21% str

[sweet summit]

true

[oblique garnet]

You can also have nearly 100% uptime on SB

Which wasnt a thing in bfa

[strong forum]

uhm

sir?

[chrome falcon]

uh

[waxen orbit]

Btw what DPS are your players usually at overall? I'm assuming ~19k minimum yea?

[sweet summit]

uh

[chrome falcon]

yeah idk about that

bolster was a thing for any gaps

[oblique garnet]

It still had some gaps to it

[strong forum]

extremely limted

[sweet summit]

i'd say it's about the same as now

[chrome falcon]

i'll take your word for it i played the pink class in 8.3 but

[oblique garnet]

Yeah but now you dont really have gaps

[strong forum]

you do have gaps tho

if you dont play HR

like, you have defo more gaps than you did in bfa

in BFA you could without breaking a sweat have a good 3min of block uptime

youd chain 3sbs into bolster into another 3 SBs

by that time youd have bolster almost ready again

[chrome falcon]

LS as part of AM never forget RIP

[waxen orbit]

Don't mean to interrupt but giving this a bump @oblique garnet because it's a topic I'm uncertain of the answer to rn

[sweet summit]

demon comp but this is usually what it looks like for me

[oblique garnet]

Im doing 19k + as fury depending on a key

[waxen orbit]

Yikes okay, pugs/guildies got some work to do

(what's new...)

[sweet summit]

but yeah, fury/mm/lock/mage/surv should all be close to if not at the 20k mark

[chrome falcon]

man i guess i have some work to do too i'm barely hitting 11k let alone 12

[strong forum]

git gud

[sweet summit]

boomkin/dh doesn't seem too good atm

[chrome falcon]

i'm still learning to play with reprisal i was glory for all of 9.1 because keys were fucking garbage and doing anything high enough to warrant a swap to kyrian was boring

[oblique garnet]

Survival is just disgusting

[chrome falcon]

mm and surv are both straight up fucking stupid yeah

[strong forum]

fury is also pretty dumb

tbh

[sweet summit]

ya

oh sub rogues and dks actually go hard too

[oblique garnet]

Frostdk slaps

[sweet summit]

yeah

[oblique garnet]

Rogues not so much

Havent seen any do too well

[strong forum]

bro my prio dmg bro

[sweet summit]

i've seen some disgusting rogue damage

not sure how ethical it was tho

[chrome falcon]

god holy fuck if the jailer really does heal that's going to be so hot

i cannot wait to execute that bald man a new orifice

[strong forum]

ya 2 execute phases is gonna be huge

[chrome falcon]

it's not quite as good as 3 execute phases like garrosh

but i'll take 2

or i guess 1.5 but

[strong forum]

after sylv had no execute

they had mercy and gave us 2 on last boss

:prayge:

[chrome falcon]

having an end boss without an execute phase just for lore reasons was giga fucked anyway idk what the joke was there

[misty sail]

this conduit tree as prot seems good or i change something?

[chrome falcon]

show of force out, ashen in

depending on what you're doing

[strong forum]

Remove sof from your conduit book

Entirely

And slam ashen jug in

You should also use stalwart guardian over brutal victory

[latent pier]

oh baby

[distant fractal]

The diminishing returns hit hard, I play fury and that extra 400 mastery gives me 20% more enrage damage.

[oblique garnet]

Its not mercy if you lose your mind by the time you get there

[safe dirge]

with ilvl which stat u play as tank vers/haste ?

[torpid junco]

Is it just me or does the first pack of DoS just feel like it melts a prot warrior.

[chrome falcon]

it does