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cinder dirge
Quick question guys i'm a bit confused please
If having anger management make your avatar CD at ~45s instead of 1:30
Knowing that Avatar last 20 seconds.
Does it means that you spend 25sec without avatar approximately or did the maths around avatar CD occured AFTER counting avatar usage meaning it's 45s CD knowing that you use it on CD ?
I'm not sure if the question make sense not a native english speaker sry
cinder dirge
^^' sry idk if the question is written properly haha š
cinder dirge
cus if that's the case it means on theory we have a downtime of 25sc without 10% DR with 4pieces that's what i wanna know
tropic linden
Yeah, that's the idea
tropic linden
If u have no downtime in the fight u can have almost 50% uptime of avatar
with 4pc
strong forum
You can have over 60% uptime on Avatar
cinder dirge
oh ok that's great
strong forum
60-70% avatar uptime as 4p2L necro
If you're hard gaming
BTW that screenshot is from early 9.1
So you can get avatar alot quicker
Down to like a 30sec CD
jagged pier
If u have no downtime in the fight u can have almost 50% uptime of avatar
bro i have more than that and i dont have 4pc
strong forum
Ya in that log I have 47% avatar uptime
And it's like I said from early 9.1
As kyrian
cinder dirge
Adding the tazavesh trinket with Avatar 10%DR has to be a must then. I saw someone with 50% uptime on the 10% DR Taza trinket on a +18 mist. If they add eachother properly I guess.
strong forum
Not a must
But it's the 2nd best defensive trinket in the game
It won't deal good dmg until very very high keys
strong forum
Adding the tazavesh trinket with Avatar 10%DR has to be a must then. I saw someo...
Flat DRs usually multiply, so its less effective to stack them, but still good
cinder dirge
oh fk
strong forum
Ya for rygelon and jailer it's gonna be massive
tropic linden
Cant wait to have 2pc and infinite rage
pulsar wedge
hows prot feeling with 2 piece and 4 piece?
strong forum
To quote erga, llarold and late
The most fun pwar has been in maybe ever
cinder dirge
depending of the key
pulsar wedge
prot dmg is always good, im more concerned about getting hit hard
strong forum
To quote late
"literally immortal"
tropic linden
SS with outburst generate 80 rage?
strong forum
Crowbar you'll have 100% uptime on IP and generate 1k rage per minute
Your survivability will quite literally skyrocket
Not as much as bear cuz fuck bear
But it'll be really good
gentle finch
Damage for prot is pretty good until you look at the bears
strong forum
Damage for everyone is pretty good until you look at bear
They're quite literally twice as strong as anything else in the game
Even the dps
gentle finch
Did you see the patch/ptr notes for prot 9.2.5?
gentle finch
What was that 17% dmg thing?
strong forum
Not counting in the hotfix we got on heroic week
Those values are already active
It's just poor reporting on mmoc's end
maiden ravine
First patch changes are almost always just hotfixes
naive mauve
I see a many prot warriors with haste mastery on the second leggo.
Is that now the way to go or personal preference?
My first thought would have been "haste versa" on both leggos.
strong forum
Unity leggo comes with haste mastery
The one you get from the story
That would be my guess
jagged pier
haste mastery
mellow bridge
strong forum
DW tanks are squishier than dps in arena
cold zealot
I need an advice on which rings to play and the value of sockets there
Which rings do i play?
my guess would be crafted + 272 haste/vers ring
west walrus
Joining a party for a key
lime urchin
Which rings do i play?
take the combo that gives you most haste untill yer capped
waxen orbit
Joining a party for a key
Itās nice to be appreciated
Iāve gotten my share of love recently
And people telling me to play my bear, Thwash, instead
But you gotta take the love you get
west walrus
:)
strong forum
Quick oxx + loquacious
cold zealot
okay ty š
strong forum
Technically the both socketed rings are best, but you ain't catching me personally wearing a non haste ring
waxen orbit
The haste on that loquacious ring, holy fuck
waxen orbit
And socket eventually
strong forum
Ya
cold zealot
haste is just too good to pass up, the haste vers at 272 is tempting though just because it makes me beefy and im over 30 anyway which feels good enough for me
strong forum
"beefy"
cold zealot
yeah^^
waxen orbit
Vers only really begins to matter once you push north of +24
Everything below that is skill
strong forum
Actually it's only 2% DR
And thats not gonna play a role for wayyy to long to worry about
Like way high keys
Defo above 24s
I'm thinking like 28s
cold zealot
sure but having more leeway to missplays sure feels good at least in my mind
cold zealot
surr the one pice isnt but haven ultiple hate vers pieces does stack up
strong forum
Even with 20% vers you're gonna get 10% DR, so a 50k bolt will still hit for 45k
waxen orbit
I'm thinking like 28s
Probably ~27 tbh with double lego and 4p actually tbh
sweet summit
nome
waxen orbit
TL;DR donāt play with no pugs who donāt kick
strong forum
Bro I use the 50k example
cold zealot
lol cant even get my premades to kick consitently...
sweet summit
so 3 bolts 
strong forum
Since day1
sweet summit
not good enough
strong forum
Make it 100k
sweet summit
smhing irl
sweet summit
perfect
waxen orbit
lol cant even get my premades to kick consitently...
Threaten to not play with them (even if itās a bluff) if they canāt kick bolts
Scares the piss out of most DPS considering how rare tanks are
Works 8/10 times
cold zealot
they wil just go on their alts and even suffer more than to learn the needed kicks xD
strong forum
That's why I stopped pushing keys
waxen orbit
Iām just not pushing this season because I got college in autumn and I got a girl now so
west walrus
That's why the only girl I was time for, is my warrior š¤£
waxen orbit
I may lose my 3 100 parses in Sepulcher, but least I got a 100 IRL
AYO BUT SIDE TOPIC
WHEN WE DOIN A FULL NA PROT WARR RAID???
(Obviously post 9.2.5 drop so Horde and Ally can play)
waxen orbit
I think itās time fo a change
strong forum
Ya, EP i didn't join, but I was in the uldir one
strong forum
Nyalotha had the pieces nyalotha run tho
waxen orbit
Iām thinking could prolly pull off full prot raid if most have 2p minimum right?
strong forum
That I was part of! And died on Maut cuz I one shot myself through SW with a TD proc
waxen orbit
No healing tho
strong forum
Iām thinking could prolly pull off full prot raid if most have 2p minimum right?
Probably ye
Indom op
waxen orbit
True
Or, and hear me out
25 player raid
20 prots
5 enh shams
All of us eatin good
urban portal
its not as funny
strong forum
Maybe you cen set something up with desmephisto, he does full warri raids every now and again
And he's NA
waxen orbit
Iād be totally game yea
All our āhealersā are prot warrs running OWS
3k HPM
waxen orbit
For sure bro
hardy ridge
Hmu i am down for a full prot warr raid
All the charges and intervenes, its gonna be fkn hilarious
waxen orbit
Reminds me of an AOTC pug prog run I did back in Nath
End of season to make sure people got it
And invited like
15 warriors
Watching like 7 Venthyr warriors leap over to kill adds and then port back in unison
Watching all 15 charge the boss on pull and on phase 3 in unison
Like watching a wild herd of wildebeest in the Sahara
It was beautiful
waxen orbit
P sure they do
8,000 mastery on pull (hypothetically speaking)
That is, if all 20 Banners target one individual, and if itās allowed to stack 20x
hollow dove
No healing tho
basically the whole problem with prot summed up right there
waxen orbit
True
Tbh I like that weāre the only tank that canāt really self-heal (aside from Indom) because it contributes to class identity and niches
But maybe thatās just my RPG nerd talking
hardy ridge
That is, if all 20 Banners target one individual, and if itās allowed to stack 2...
How will you have 19 people be the closest ally to the same person š
Or 1 of the 3 closest i should say
urban portal
How will you have 19 people be the closest ally to the same person š
All 20 people be equidistant to each other with the banner king in the middle
Just takes a lot of coordination
It's like council of blood on crack
Every 2 minutes everyone gets in position
hardy ridge
Yes but if you add too many people at a certain point the distance between the ppl on the circumference will be smaller than the radius
urban portal
as long as you are one of 3 it should be fine
or just everyone stack on 1 point
and yolo
hardy ridge
True so the radius would have to be smaller than the distance between a person and its 2nd neighbor on the circumference
If it isnt then the actual person in the center would be getting 0 banners other than his own
urban portal
yeah
now that i think about it
its probably impossible
unless someones real good at geometry
plucky hearth
I know pvp.. but š³
Curious why I'm not seeing spear dmg for crit bonus, is he Necro?
jagged pier
no we have a pvp talent that increases crit chance
plucky hearth
Em is crit dmg not chance
jagged pier
spear also only increases crit damage doesnt give crit chance
shell shale
If im playing necro prot in keys what soulbind should i be?
jagged pier
u shouldnt
plucky hearth
It's still a "crit bonus" for a one shot build tho
jagged pier
if u are kevin
doesnt matter if necro gives u 100k SS with a very high chance to crit with gear and pvp talent
sweet summit
If im playing necro prot in keys what soulbind should i be?
marileth
shell shale
ty was just memeing because group didnt have a necro for plauge fall
and wanted to give it a go
urban portal
ty was just memeing because group didnt have a necro for plauge fall
you can
play emeni
but they all suck
i play plenty of necro in plaguefall and top
if i need to
its not going to kill you
shell shale
yeah i felt fine overall until 2 people dc with internet going out.
Was 13k going to last boss on a 18
strong forum
Suspicious
They couldn't stand the thought of completing a key with a pwar that doesn't suck
So they had to Dc for propaganda purposes
strong forum
Ye
sweet summit
kyrian
shell shale
i been mostly kyrian
I seen one of the top prot warriors on raider io played only night fae
was curious
jagged pier
cause NF pumps with double leggo now
urban portal
didnt erga say its bugged
jagged pier
espeically in high keys where trash takes ages to die
strong forum
Kyrian just has teh added benefit of more frequent access to the button
urban portal
and its getting less ticks than intended
jagged pier
it seems to be ticking slower
mighty cairn
why canāt prot ever be bugged in a good way
jagged pier
but i wsa still getting 5 ticks
strong forum
With leggo you should get to 9 procs no?
strong forum
Yeah would be a shame if they fixed us like they fixed bear tierset....
urban portal
jagged pier
With leggo you should get to 9 procs no?
i dont know never played NF with the leggo
sweet summit
initial hit + 4 base + 1 with lego
mighty cairn
isnāt the cc part of aftershock inconsistent too
bc itās target capped and canāt guarantee youāre ccāing casters in a big pull right
or does it prio mobs that can be cc
strong forum
Yeup
That's my understanding
Unless the CC isn't tied to the targets you hit
I've also never been NF, just talking out of my ass here
strong forum
Doesn't change alot
The 50% absorb is what makes it meh
It needs to stop more dmg for IP to be good
Like 80%
Then it would own
plush moat
is Necro better for prot with double legendaries than Kyrian ?
strong forum
In raid yes
plush moat
what about m+
mighty cairn
too much downtime and running around in m+
to live the perma banner dream
and with 4 set dps blasting prob need snap threat for spear / aa i imagine
sturdy sable
Isnt it 6 by default and leggo adds 3?
Is 6 plus 3 iirc
Been NF since sludgefist prog
Leggo does about 7-10% of my damage depending on keys
strong forum
First strike is big pad
sturdy sable
What else are you supposed to do in keys
strong forum
But in high keys I heard niya and korayn are practically the same dmg
mighty cairn
ye youāre prio damaging bosses
compared to bear youāre blasting with double lego NF 4 tier niya
sturdy sable
Ye im memeing
sturdy sable
Honestly ive been running phial and the trinket from holundrus
It does more then my phial and my phial is like 7 more ilvls then it
Even in ST its close
waxen orbit
@chrome falcon 20 Streets
Time to brick it
You know what's finna go down already
chrome falcon
Key is actually super free this week as long as you don't pull the wiseguy packs and never wipe but
Last boss always a coinflip
chrome falcon
I think so yeah
hardy ridge
Last boss always a coinflip
Last boss got nerfed but he can still spawn the halo in your quadrant
chrome falcon
mighty egret
gambit feels so free
sweet summit
nerf lock wth
mighty valley
how should I tell melee dps to position on the dragon fight in gambit? half the time the adds end up inside her body and I can't breath them
fight always devolves into "ignore mechanics, kill boss"
sweet summit
i have them stand on me, and move to a side when beam happens
mighty valley
cool that makes sense
jagged pier
most melee dont know bosses dont parry in m+
mighty valley
i think they're historically scared of standing on dragon face
oblique garnet
You can use the tailswipe for the melee adds
mighty valley
oh the tail kills them too? cool
oblique garnet
yeah
oblique garnet
Knocks them back yeah
sullen tangle
Best slot to craft unity lego for prot?
sullen tangle
Thnx
Do yāall feel extra squishy this patch? Iām getting smacked good on 15ās
chilly brook
nerf lock wth
AfF iS fInE lOoK aT pAnThEoN
sweet summit
i feel pretty strong even in 22s
chilly brook
Now Destro occupies the niche it did but better
While also being like 10x better in single target
mighty valley
i'm only doing 16s rn but healers say i'm not really taking damage
oblique garnet
i feel pretty strong even in 22s
Do you happen to have a real shield instead of 252 one ?
sweet summit
have sylv shield
sullen tangle
Do you run Nf or Kyr?
sweet summit
kyrian
strong forum
Venthyr
mighty valley
kyr
strong forum
oblique garnet
Felt real squishu doing Streets
sweet summit
streets fucks tho
mighty valley
i miss venthyr but it's trolling at this point
oblique garnet
But maybe bit spicy pulls at the start
mighty valley
streets built diff
sweet summit
like actually
strong forum
Youāre a monster
sullen tangle
If we can condemn spam on AOE tho I think venny would be top tier
mighty valley
cowards didn't want us to have four strong choices
humble tendon
Guyz have any aggro issues?i do not have great problem but i did a 16 HOA today and in some packs after 3-4 secs i was losing aggro from a mob of the pack. I do not have any tier just d leggo now. Is it because dps are a lot stronger?i mean the frost mage had like 15k overall sounds ok
strong forum
15k overall is not exactly much
sullen tangle
I had an issue yesterday where an arcane kept pulling agro but thatās arcane being arcane lol
mighty valley
so long as people don't go buck wild before you hit everything once it should be fine
mighty valley
maybe someone hard bursts one target and you have to taunt it back
humble tendon
No i play atm n fae
strong forum
Then your not pressing enough revenge
sullen tangle
My group usually runs with a prot pally so they think I can just pull agro on a pack easy
strong forum
How much dps do you do in keys
distant crystal
am i crazy or did plater used to not turn red when treants/rockboi taunted mobs off you?
humble tendon
well how many times in first 3 secs:)y I might be slower
strong forum
am i crazy or did plater used to not turn red when treants/rockboi taunted mobs ...
No they did
distant crystal
p sure it just looked like another tank had aggro
strong forum
well how many times in first 3 secs:)y I might be slower
Open with TC for initial threat, then revenge then AA then revenge again if your rage allows it
distant crystal
or maybe i just had a cool profile that i've since lost, but i thought it was default
humble tendon
7-8k but not huge pulls i am a bit scared still
strong forum
That should cover threat issues
strong forum
Hmm yeah that's a bit on the meh side with with double leggo
chilly brook
or maybe i just had a cool profile that i've since lost, but i thought it was de...
I hate your profile pic
jagged pier
7-8k was like pre set bonus pre double lego numbers
that depends on dungeon and the average prot in here was not doing that
humble tendon
but i play full defensive
chilly brook
idk what it is
jagged pier
they were doing like 5k
chilly brook
but I don't like it
strong forum
It's a worm under microscope
chilly brook
that depends on dungeon and the average prot in here was not doing that
then they weren't pressing enough revenj
strong forum
With booba
chilly brook
š
humble tendon
both trinkets atm defensive i know i can go higher like 9-10k dps but untill i feel safer i play like that cause i only pug. I believe when i feel better i will go with phial trinket bigger pulls and better rotation to maximize my dps
chrome falcon
did 11k in SD 20 earlier which feels like a decent number but can probably get pushed higher
yeah definitely focus on not dying first
chilly brook
That's so cursed
chilly brook
both trinkets atm defensive i know i can go higher like 9-10k dps but untill i f...
if you don't push yourself out of your boundaries you won't improve
humble tendon
I mean i go today Hoa first pull to the left without hound master boom 2 times dead from bolts. No wipe i went back fast and killed but i have to admit after that i did not die the rest of the dungeon. We were awakened but still pugs makes harder for some1 like me that is not more than an average player
chilly brook
uninterrupted bolts in fort is death for tanks
strong forum
Dying to bolts is a group issue
Not just yours
It's on the dps to help you actually live
humble tendon
i know and it was fixed thats why i go more defensive atm that what i mean
strong forum
Hm
jagged pier
the first casts should be sync'd just SR
humble tendon
@chilly brook i agree for pushing boundaries like that and i will when i will feel safe that i play the class correctly so i can survive some mistakes from groups(not bolts ofc these are death penalty)
Thanks for the answers guyz
chilly brook
i know and it was fixed thats why i go more defensive atm that what i mean
more defensive on missed bolts won't make a difference tbh
they truck
humble tendon
i know i mean generally. Bolts are death iff not handled i sure know that
chilly brook
even with wall if you eat two you're basically done
humble tendon
when my blocked hits will be more than 80% consistently and my cpm will be as u say then i will have to push it
may i ask how much % rage loss is acceptable? like 5%
strong forum
As little as possible
humble tendon
yes ofc
strong forum
Ideally sub 100
5% rage is alot, I'd say like 1% rage is aight ish
But still pretty oof
mighty valley
avg dps is also a group effort, the big pumpers in here are usually playing with really strong teams
so if you're playing with random pugs who aren't great don't feel bad if you're not putting out those numbers
sweet summit
we did it boys
distant crystal
tell him to tell his friends
mighty egret
cant be me
distant crystal
get the word out!
mighty egret
its always "wow you do a lot of dmg but you're squishy"
mighty valley
was in dos and there was a call to shiv an enraged guy and the healer quietly piped up "no, don't... it gives me something to do"
strong forum
we did it boys
We did it boys, bad perception is no more
sweet summit
prot warrior is saved
distant crystal
its always "wow you do a lot of dmg but you're squishy"
seismic gamer? 
sweet summit
We did it boys, bad perception is no more
first tech kinda ramping - 400 dps
that's not terrible, right?
strong forum
It's more than 252 phial does
252 phial is 300-350 dps
Or well used to
So now it does even less
So yeah that's really good
urban portal
we solved racism
mighty valley
wait
do raid bosses still parry even?
looking over anduin in logs and can't see parry anywhere
urban portal
i dont think tanks can be parried
mighty cairn
tanks canāt be parried
and canāt be slowed by mobs while mounted in open world content
sweet summit
wish they'd bring back resist so mages and warlocks can suffer
mighty valley
bring back negative resists for random 2x spells
craggy pilot
how can i keep aggro of the small adds on last boss PF? do i have to charge to them and do a few hits, then get away?
strong forum
heroic throw
sweet summit
^
craggy pilot
hmm ye thats what i usually do
or always do š
few hits, then tab, few hits then tab
people keep getting aggro anyway
and how do you do it in the last phase, while tanking the boss?
craggy pilot
but then he will die š
if he gets aggro i mean
or i just ravager on him i guess š¤£
mighty valley
it'll just pull them in and you'll naturally get aggro
craggy pilot
and any normal DK with limbs, will pop it P1 
craggy pilot
it'll just pull them in and you'll naturally get aggro
but if he pulls them in to me, i will get 1 shot no?
mighty valley
anyway i'm generally kidding, you still want to heroic throw and ask people to kick their adds
oh wait
i'm a fool and thinking of TOP
mighty valley
I just try and tab heroic throw them in p3
if one gets cleaved and i lose aggro, taunt
hope it doesn't last so long that they become a huge problem
can cc them if they get close so you can get more substantial threat before moving away
indigo bramble
Are boots and belt still the best slots for legendaries ? I'm 99% sure but I want to confirm before I craft the R7 Unity Belt š
sweet summit
belt is a great spot for unity
only slot that's better is helmet once you get 4 set in the other tier slots
indigo bramble
Why the head? I thought the least good set piece was the gloves
sweet summit
big stat budget + socket slot
sweet summit
altho belt is still usable later, since the jailer drops high ilvl legs
can't really go wrong with belt, unless you plan on raiding as arms
craggy pilot
are we still going Kyr even after 2 lego? š¤
sweet summit
i am
waxen orbit
Aināt IQD/First Sigil the new replacement for Phial?
For the giga execute banner tomfuckery?
waxen orbit
Word
Probably more reliable to play Phial
IQD giving mana, healing someone, or just sending out a 40k bolt
distant crystal
you can prevent the bolt
if it gives mana you shoulda let the healer drink tbh
I actually purposefully used IQD heal to save someone in SD yesterday tho lol
55K heal
cinder dirge
what's your uptime on shieldblock with anger management talent in mythic + dungeon ? I'm sitting around 70 to 75% but not sure if it's good enough. Taking into account the amount of kiting you have to do etc
cinder dirge
oh might be a big noob, u can find that on details ?
craggy pilot
75 sounds low tho
mighty valley
nah, you gotta log to get useful defensive info
cinder dirge
i was around 90 with heavy repercussion but since i swapped it dropped hardcore to 75 ye.
Is their anyway i can find %block on detail ?
jagged pier
u need to log
crystal dock
Is there ever a reason to use whirlwind over revenge?
waxen orbit
No unless youāre running MBG (Merciless Bonegrinder) and you have the buff after Ravager expires
Which is only worth in meme keys
crystal dock
So never lol
waxen orbit
If youāre never doing meme keys, then yeah, never
crystal dock
If youāre never doing meme keys, then yeah, never
Been debating just removing the bind lol
waxen orbit
If you need to, go for it. I personally have everything in my spell book on my bars and bound. Just in case
Whirlwind is CTRL+9
vestal mica
how much "worse" is the wall compared to reprisal? main fury who's expecting to get pushed into edit: raid tank tonight, see reprisal as first suggested but figuring out where to weave in charge/intervenes seems difficult while being unfamiliar with the spec in general
strong forum
its easier to play but in m+ its ALOT weaker, in raid its more usable
but its less rage and less block uptime than reprisal
vestal mica
sorry, forgot to specify raid
strong forum
i also mentioned raid
vestal mica
yeah, just made me think i should add it although exactly why i'm still unsure lol
dawn canyon
Pressing intervene on cooldown for starters should be possible
strong forum
its easier to use, if youre unsure you can figure out how to play reprisal in raid its better to use wall
vestal mica
guess my next question would be on intervene? would that mainly just be used on cd?
on other tank?
strong forum
just on CD
on NOT the other tank
any melee will do
you can charge during long animations of bosses, before you taunt and take over from your cotank
can charge mobs on the side
dawn canyon
Talking skolex real quick i cant run out and charge there i assume?
jagged pier
u can
distant crystal
depends how pants-on-head your melee are
vestal mica
skolex sounds like real risky for both charge and intervene
distant crystal
as long as you stay the closest char to other tank :p
jagged pier
u can charge during retch
vestal mica
i don't trust melee enough
crystal dock
Also is prot near worthless in pvp?
strong forum
tanks dont belong in pvp
dawn canyon
Apparently with 4 set
strong forum
idc
strong forum
tanks dont belong in pvp
dawn canyon
Prot paladin in arena fills my irl rage bar
waxen orbit
Prot pal in RBGs 
waxen orbit
Yea in RBGs ppal Iād say is actually worse than pwarr somehow
strong forum
tanks take 50 or 75% more dmg in pvp
waxen orbit
Ya
mighty valley
the only time prot is fun in bgs is flag running in meme WSGs
run leaper, you cannot be caught
crystal dock
Best bg rank is dh Iām sure huh
crystal dock
Be cool if they were just useful someho
I always want to tank pve but rehearing for pvp is annoying
safe thistle
i normally intervene during retch since melee are on the oposite but then move close to avoid it.
i charge/intervene right before it end and get a nice long shield block
strong forum
strong forum
leveling as tank is very much ok
blazing condor
kinda neat that you can pull a lot of mobs and just aoe shit down
crystal dock
Cool. Just hit 50. Came back from tbc lol
crystal dock
Classic tbc sorry lol
Got to 70 and geared. Just too slow. Same thing happened to me with classic but figured Iād try. Modern wow gameplay is just more fun. But classic world and community is better imo
chilly brook
If only blizz could bridge the two
blazing condor
osrs
chilly brook
with modern gameplay
crystal dock
Yea o wish theyād sort of take the best from both
strong forum
i wanna make a joke with feel
strong forum
lost ark!
crystal dock
Ew lol
strong forum
jailer hard
blazing condor
put a gun to my head i aint doing that shit
strong forum
theyve done that for sylv
strong forum
jailer hits REAL fucking hard
dawn canyon
Props to the man just casually swapping tank while scott is eu
Gotta say the tank combo and the slamming on jailer looks great
chilly brook
Fr tho
dawn canyon
He just fucking beats you
chilly brook
FFXIV is literally the feel of classic but with actual gameplay and story
marble jackal
Hey guys
What trinkets should i farm from raid/m+?
mighty valley
first sigil for big execute number
strong forum
tru i guess
marble jackal
aegis, codex, scale
Codex better than scale?
Sack or phial better for dps
strong forum
codex better than scale as 2nd defensive trinket
sack better offensively
and the higher you get in keys
the more dmg codex will be
marble jackal
Nice, and if i want to go kyrian in term of stats what should i be looking crit/versa or haste/versa?
strong forum
haste >>vers>=crit
marble jackal
haste >>vers>=crit
Thank you very much
crystal dock
Any professions yāall recommend?
dawn canyon
Engineering
Get the wormhole
HUGE quality of life
Apart from that it doesnt matter in retail
crystal dock
Can I get the wormhole as a fresh 50?
dawn canyon
Yup
You get SL engi 1
And buy the toy
It's a 6 location teleporter on 15 Minute CD
heady latch
i did read somewhere, that tier set is better than i-lvl. i think it was in the pinned messages, but i can't find it anymore. is it still true?
dawn canyon
If it completes a Bonus yes
heady latch
ok ty
crystal dock
It's a 6 location teleporter on 15 Minute CD
So the vendor isnāt in Oribos for me
dawn canyon
Wormhole's on the auction house
The Trainer is to the left where u first enter
Also next to him is an auction house if you are engi
crystal dock
Ooooo o see now. Ty!
glacial swift
I have been trying Necro with glory today. am i right to think that the duration of the buff is not extended (upon rage spent) on party members? I was a bit surprised to see different durations in the logs.
strong forum
yes only for you
otherwise it would be the most broken thing in the game next to bear and brew 4p š
imagine 100% uptime on 400 mastery for you and 3 others in the party lol
crystal dock
Also whatās the most fun covenant yāall think
dawn canyon
Blue spear go boom
strong forum
seeing mobs getting dragged back by spear is the most fun in the game
dawn canyon
I really like nightfae
mighty cairn
can mobs get DR on bounces
strong forum
no
dawn canyon
Also whatās the most fun covenant yāall think
The great thing is we can just swap them whenever
strong forum
spear is infinite no DR
dawn canyon
So you can try them all
mighty valley
spearing the jump scare ghouls in theater of pain
strong forum
with EM mobs are hard locked down for 8 full sec
mighty valley
then they keep trying to jump away
mighty valley
best shit outside of synced reflecting aetherwyrms
dawn canyon
SanguinE(M)
mighty valley
"don't kick these"
"but it's gonna do damage"
"yeah it is"
strong forum
mighty cairn
my fav non meme pack are double pulling the mini bosses in xav hallway
and the shield block thump sound
strong forum
š
strong forum
its great bullying mobs
mighty valley
all the leaping fuckers in necrotic wake too
crystal dock
If only venthyr was better. They look the coolest lol
mighty valley
take me back to 9.0 when condemn was worth something
urban portal
just need it to be usable at reduced power during other times
having an ignore pain that does damage is not bad
chilly brook
having an ignore pain that does damage is not bad
I mean really I think it would probably be pretty good for prot if it cleaved
urban portal
maybe
but it coulve had a niche in raid if you were able to constantly build a huge absorb for tank hits
from doing your damage rotation
chilly brook
yea
but even in raid it would still be good imo if it cleaved
lots of cleave in the raid
Granted it's still a spender as opposed to a builder
like the rest of them
Might've been interesting if it was more like fury's execute for prot
with extra damage above 80 and below 20
vestal mica
haste is fine until at least DR, right? looking at legendary stats, thinking haste/vers but already have plenty of haste from fury
urban portal
ye
dawn canyon
How much haste % u got?
vestal mica
How much haste % u got?
800 ish
dawn canyon
How much % is that
vestal mica
28
vestal mica
ye, dropped a bit because new gearing and ilvl
safe thistle
raid weapon enchant CG or sinful ? i though it was sinful but i think it changed for CG ?
lofty widget
damn necro in keys is kinda fun
urban portal
raid weapon enchant CG or sinful ? i though it was sinful but i think it changed...
CG gives minor survival
sinful is all damage
lofty widget
had 70 % uptime in streets, but its rough with all the RP
chrome falcon
yeah streets is weird but as long as you get decent timings it's good
lofty widget
you mean like banner coming off cd as you reach some RP?
chrome falcon
yeah
streets is fucking cracked though
did a 19 today, mob hit for me 60k with an empowered melee
chrome falcon
i hope you don't/didn't let them down
we need all the prot warrior appreciators we can get
lofty widget
make us proud
chrome falcon
i wish pugs understood that if you kill urh the pack just dies
and you can never wipe
but instead they have to just spam aoe like fucking brainlets
lofty widget
unless you deliberately tell them which one to kill every time, 90 % of the time you will get WO
latent pier
Is the crafted thing that causes a damage burst every five hits worth investing into?
Was looking at grabbing a crafted ring, figure that might be nice.
cinder nova
Should I use TC outburst if I have literally nothing else to use and SS is on cd
Downtime feels fucked
sweet summit
probably not but i do it anyway
cinder nova
With no rage?
urban portal
if you have literally nothing
cinder nova
Yes
chrome falcon
yeah i think you just do it and be ashamed of yourself
but pretend in this discord that it never happens
cinder nova
Fuck
cinder nova
Okay so TC outburst is just a last resort or cleave slap
Speaking of
What target count does TC outburst exceed ss
lofty widget
billion
chrome falcon
that number literally does not exist because the rage from ss gives you revenges
lofty widget
two revenges will always be more dmg
chrome falcon
always ujst ss
sweet summit
how does tc scale and what are the numbers of the abilities
cinder nova
I've seen some fatty 12k TCs
mighty valley
there has gotta be a number where it's better but it's probably impractically high, since we just get so much value out of spending rage
math is hard
sweet summit
thank you for reminding me to upload logs
cinder nova
I feel like I'm busting my ass to weave
west walrus
make us proud
we timed it
mighty valley
you will get more burst rage and therefore have to panic press more buttons
sweet summit
most likely kinda whatever
latent pier
damn.
cinder nova
I just noticed Erga has a waifu
shut summit
sweet summit
what
mighty valley
anime avatars do not interact
sweet summit
that's my pfp yes 
mighty cairn
erga is my waifu
sweet summit
š³
lofty widget
is there a updated banner sheet for sepulcher?
sweet summit
not as far as i know
viral flume
Anyone mind letting me know which endurance conduits we use, in order of priority?
sweet summit
unnerving focus>stalwart guardian>condensed anima sphere>brutal vitality
viral flume
juicy, thanks š
sweet summit
i run ashen over sof but that works well too
also prefer safeguard over inspiring presence in m+
chrome falcon
would definitely take ashen, it's marginal but show of force is literally just nothing
whereas ashen on a big miniboss or a boss is gonna net you double damage on your hardest hitter
in an organised group you can even tell your dps to stop STing stuff that's low so you can whore executes
tropic linden
the one everyone need to soak?
chrome falcon
yeah
chrome falcon
don't do it on blasphemy though
tropic linden
yeah, it's what i tried haha
chrome falcon
yeah
mighty valley
taunt swaps are frequent too, can just charge right before taunt
i've definitely accidentally intervened a person who just went out for stars š
tropic linden
yeah, but i can't keep 100% uptime only chargin on taunt
chrome falcon
one of my raiders is linking overalls from 20-22 pugs showing bears doing top overall
should i kick him yes/no
accepting first answer
lofty widget
yes
chrome falcon
trick question that bitch already gone
cinder dirge
bro
necrolord in m+ is so much fun i swear
you gotta try that whenever you guys get your 4p 2 legos
it feels like you're in a rush the whole dungeon for your banner holy sh*t š
lofty widget
YEP
chrome falcon
flag
cinder dirge
it's impossible to die aswell whenever you have it that's crazy good
chrome falcon
hell yeah brother
chrome falcon
what was your overall dps
chrome falcon
yeah
cinder dirge
8.5
chrome falcon
that's the struggle
you feel like a bad mf but your damage is just like 2k lower than kyrian
but i think it's hella strong in terms of surviving
cinder dirge
Ye there's no way i'm giving up on necrolord in M+ dude i'm fkn immortal
tired of looking at my hp constantly begging for my healer who wants to dps to heal me
chrome falcon
fair
cinder dirge
what trinket you using mate?
chrome falcon
i wish recasting banner added to the duration
cinder dirge
it doesn't ?
chrome falcon
uh in keys? i'm a giant baby so 278 scale and 252 aegis
but don't be like me
nope it just resets it to 15
which is annoying because you should recast it for your mates and for the homie kevin
cinder dirge
oh sh*t i didn't noticed
cinder dirge
ye i was thinkign about removing old warrior sould with codex but not sure yet
and keeping aegis aswell
chrome falcon
yeah aegis never leaving its slot
it's gonna be CRUSTY when i finally take it off in 10.0
oh shit we get a higher ilvl aegis in season 4
cinder dirge
LOL true
chrome falcon
OWS is good if you're chain pulling for your banner but i just think codex is so good when you're getting trucked
lofty widget
which soulbind are you running in keys mattacate?
i've just been using my raid soulbind but im sure thats not right
chrome falcon
uh as necro? marileth
and yes i just run the same as my raid setup but probably not 100% optimal my ass is lazy
cinder dirge
i know it's a tough choice to do but dropping inspiring presence for anima sphere isn't a bad thing overall in keys tbh
maiden ravine
I'm torn between necrolord and honestly fae. Necrolord is so spammy
cinder dirge
You'll never die as necrolord in keys. But your dmg will drop in order to increase others that's for sure
chrome falcon
you're probably correct veve
but i dunno i just like the giga rally
at this point it's a backup LS on the GCD that saves you when your drongo dps miss kicks or stand in shit
and yeah kyle, i was necrolord all of 9.1 but i'm enjoying kyrian in keys too. necrolord is a more fun playstyle without a doubt but doing 2-3k more on the overall is nice
cinder dirge
Fully agreed, if I was any other covenant. But fleshcraft is a 20% DR, 20% Max HP shield and HP regeneration overtime thanks to marileth with a 120 mastery bonus if not more.
It could be worth dropping the inspired presence and replace the rally for that one.
Trickiest sh*t is when urrh is about to slam your face and stun you while you channel it. Happened a couple of times that's super annoying !
maiden ravine
but the knockdown of fae
chrome falcon
the slam still absolutely powerfucks you harder than the fleshcraft shield
definitely don't just tank that shit
PSA to always keep fleshcraft on CD to get basically 100% uptime on 5% magic DR from consuming mechanical (urh!)
cinder dirge
PSA ?
chrome falcon
public service announcement
people just gotta remember that marileth is a homie and gives lots of nice passive benefits from having fleshcraft on cd
cinder dirge
ye, hard to remember when you're in a rush for your banner uptime š
chrome falcon
i need a better banner weakaura
my current one does that thing where even if it has 15 seconds left, if it has been up for a minute already, that 15 seconds shows as it being nearly over
hollow hill
What's the best way to handle banner on Skolex? Should I call out to have melee scoot over to the side of the boss to get the buff or something?
dark lark
For keys, we run booming voice with the set bonus right? Feels like I'm just overcapping like crazy if I ravager, avatar, demo, and spear on pull even with IP spam
But, the dam is just chefs kiss
mighty valley
i would think still BSC is more dps? but I dunno
chrome falcon
@hollow hill banner is gonna hit them regardless and even if it doesnāt, fuck em
Banner is for you
hollow hill
Yea I just try to get my arms warriors buffed up with it if I can
especially during execute phase
safe thistle
There's good aura out there
Mastery is good on anyone even more when it's free.
Co-tank get 1 most of time too
urban portal
i would think still BSC is more dps? but I dunno
theres an argument for both i think
fairly sure bsc is slightly more dam but BV gives more rage which translates into other stuff
latent pier
https://wago.io/ConquerorsBanner
it doesn't seem to recognize equipped unity
dark lark
fairly sure bsc is slightly more dam but BV gives more rage which translates int...
If BSC is more damage in keys then I would imagine BV is when you need to be a survival lord
For those extra free IPs and quicker shield wall resets
Also more avatars in a longer fight
urban portal
the only problem I have is that BV forces you to cast it on cd
dark lark
Yeah I like having Demo planned for specific mechanics in raid
urban portal
and if you dont cast voice on cd it kinda lowers the value
cinder nova
https://wago.io/ConquerorsBanner
Ain't it 3 players?
I thought Banner was 2 and Glory made it 3
urban portal
Yeah it is
tawdry dirge
I think bsc and bv are pretty close in keys dmg wise
Atleast for me
But on some weeks its nice to have the rage on a button
And if u play with uhr relic i think BV can be more dmg