#protection
sweet summit
277 hps !!
urban portal
the damage isnt very funny either
sweet summit
test if u can block while it's active pls
urban portal
ye need to wait for shit to be off cd
sweet summit
urban portal
yes it can
just put up shield block beforehand
ngl it doesnt heal for that much less than scale
scale is 40k every 2 minutes
this is 32k every 3 minutes but you can abuse it with the spear to get 50k
but heart can crit being a trinket
strong forum
yeah and scale does like 150k on 1 target
on 2min cd
might aswell use riftshard
its a 25k absorb every 1min
strong forum
scale is 40k every 2 minutes
what kinda scale did you look at lol
thats like s1 levels of scale
urban portal
an average cast of a scale in a 20 is 60k
according to a log
which is approximately 40k*1.5(the bonus)
strong forum
a 252 scale was already like 100k on 5 targets
and ilvl increases the absorb insanely
urban portal
strong forum
ah right i forgot they nerfed it
on 5 targets at 262 its roughly 90k then
54k on pure st
damn thats alot worse
urban portal
strong forum
yeah lmao aegis is literally leagues better then
strong forum
94k
1 use
the first time he used it he just didnt hit 5 targets
god they nerfed scale hard
lmao
mighty valley
it used to be tuned as basically
strong forum
a 252 pre-nerf was already 100k on 5 targets
mighty valley
the full power of an offense trinket + the full power of a defense trinket
strong forum
now a 262 on 5 targets is only 95ish K on 5
a 278 will still be close to 130k
but man this is scuffed
chrome falcon
i can go check my 278 now
urban portal
yeah he hit 2
strong forum
its pretty simple matta
take the tooltip
and double it
thats the amount you get from using it on 5 targets
urban portal
someeon told me it was 50
chrome falcon
yeah scale used to be almost a full immune now it's
idk man i'm sick of scale too
but every other tank trinket they've made this expansion is dog and shit
urban portal
but yeah hots seems ok
mighty valley
they're dogshit because we're comparing them to scale lol
urban portal
as long as you do the macro
mighty valley
aegis still busted
strong forum
codex is good, aegis is absolute king
scale is boring but still good enough
aaaaand
RDM is okay
chrome falcon
blizz needs to decide whether they want "tank trinkets" to even exist
strong forum
bro blizz doesnt know wtf to do regarding tanks
maiden ravine
can't be too good or you screw up pvpz
chrome falcon
because it's absolutely fucking stupid that bells and earthbreakers impact are on the fucking PROT loot table
strong forum
you can see it with the tiersets
you can see it with 0 fuckign class tuning being done
besides "here have a vanguard or aura buff"
bear and brew tier are wildly overtuned
but nothing is being fucking done about it
strong forum
blizz only cares about MDI when it comes to tanks
thats it
watch them nerf bear REAL QUICK after mdi
if its not done before then
maiden ravine
I'd rather they buff the tanks to bear level rather than nerf bear, and I say that as someone who's done more keys as priest and warrior this patch
strong forum
kyle
bears do literally 2x the dmg of every other tank right now
they do more dmg than DPS
thats NOT ok
mighty valley
5x bear keys inc
urban portal
theres no reason to take anything but bear
strong forum
and its been known since fucking ptr
urban portal
you take 1 demolock for st
strong forum
but nothing is being done about it
strong forum
na you take 2 holy priests
2 bears
1 demo
the holy priests will allow bears to have 100% incarn uptime ( no joke )
chrome falcon
symbol reduces the CD of incarn? jesus fucking christ
strong forum
๐
distant crystal
the symbol/bark/2pc interaction
strong forum
and with Urh
distant crystal
is neato
strong forum
- symbols
maiden ravine
Blizzard doesn't want to punish others for what happens when you pull massive amounts of trash, I guess putting square root on the tier set would be good.
distant crystal
symbol reduces bark, 2pc means bark gives carn
and conduit + talent already get bark giga low
strong forum
Urh + symbols allows you to stack bark to over 30sec incarn uptime with it
distant crystal
i think you need to bark during the symbols cast
strong forum
with only bark spam
distant crystal
or you waste some CDR
strong forum
cuz it wont have CD
strong forum
i think you need to bark during the symbols cast
thats the whole idea
chrome falcon
recasting bark adds to the incarn time, doesn't just reset it?
strong forum
urh + symbols = infinite bark = 30sec+ incarn uptime when urh ends
chrome falcon
coolcoolcoolcoolcoolcoolcool
distant crystal
like you hit it at the beginning right before symbols, then hit it again after a tick
then hit it again after last tick
strong forum
and then again and again and again cuz urh
maiden ravine
As someone who enjoyed the corruption stuff, I like this. Last patches are meant for everyone to be OP, if someone doesn't feel good, buff them
sweet summit
god i fucking hate guardian 4 set so much holy fuck please nerf it
strong forum
its pure insanity that it went live like this
sweet summit
it's pure insanity it has been live for three weeks like this
maiden ravine
Maybe Blizzard doesn't realize how much haste bears can stack?
maiden ravine
Belt until you get 4p mythic and know which tier slot is free
strong forum
belt until you have 4p with helm slot open, then you slam it in helm
odd nimbus
ow so making it on the ring is not ideal?
chrome falcon
got my 5th tier piece today so unity on helm here we come 
maiden ravine
I know I'm weird, but I'd rather all tanks be insane. Who cares about DPS feelings. ๐
chrome falcon
nah these tank tier sets are like
pretty fucking stupid
in a normal tier, even ours would be BONKERS strong
maiden ravine
Rather have a seasonal bonus be bonkers than forgettable.
spring heart
oi anyone knows how to update mdt
latest version for me is 3/6
i cant see current affixes
maiden ravine
you can download through github directly, or curse I guess
cinder nova
I love how the top damage for every bear is a passive ability that just clobbers.
Meanwhile we gotta basically give ourselves an RSI just to get value
spring heart
both github and curseforce say that latest version is 3/6
like idk how to make current affixes appear
cinder nova
I dunno I'd be pretty hyped to be doing 18K ST
strong forum
they dont do 18k ST
chrome falcon
considering their thing that makes them busted is their aoe
cinder nova
Sorry, 13K.
strong forum
pwar can reach 13k
but BDK
they
with ultra degen nobody will beat a BDK
unless you get a very long execute phase
and a PI or 2
cinder nova
Literally where
I don't see a single parse where warrior is over 10K except the meme that is Andy
chilly brook
blood kinda nutty
cinder nova
Bear logs
strong forum
okay so on skolex we only have paladins rn
chrome falcon
and that was with a 252 first sigil that was on CD during bloodlust
strong forum
over 10k
cinder nova
Sausage has a 10K bear
chilly brook
sausage also has cleave
chrome falcon
on hc those cores has like 2hp they die instantly
chilly brook
single with intermittent cleave
chrome falcon
i was 9.5k dausegne last week
chilly brook
idk
chrome falcon
fight is shorter than an 18 tyrannical boss
chilly brook
the core was like 10% of my damage as arms
mighty valley
also meta tanks are getting geared faster so have the better early logs, so the gap looks a little bigger than it really is
strong forum
we have like ... 1 or 2 warriors gobal that have 4p
chrome falcon
so rank 1
chrome falcon
strong forum
did you reclear already matta?
chrome falcon
yeah
strong forum
how the fuck did you not beat your skolex
cinder nova
How much of a DPS gain is 4p anyway
strong forum
with double leggo
strong forum
How much of a DPS gain is 4p anyway
a few thousand
cinder nova
That seems excessive. Is the CDR on Ava + Outburst proc that massive?
cinder nova
Because the 10% damage from it isn't writing home anything
chrome falcon
40k shield slam crits bro
strong forum
you get avatar every 30 seconds
chrome falcon
hell of a drug
lofty widget
i hit a 100k crit on anduin today
mighty valley
the whole engine just pops off
lofty widget
good stuff
chrome falcon
wait what do you mean i beat my skolex by 1.8k dps
mighty valley
more rage = more AM = more avatar = more rage
strong forum
its alot
mighty valley
45 yeah
urban portal
and obviously 10% damage
cinder nova
I don't think the 10% damage is doing the heavy lifting in this situation.
On its own if it didn't proc outburst it'd be meh
strong forum
wait what do you mean i beat my skolex by 1.8k dps
so you didnt use 2 leggos then?
urban portal
its everything added together
mighty valley
10% buff that's up this often is like... also pretty huge
chrome falcon
strong forum
pets count
cinder nova
10% buff that's up this often is like... also pretty huge
Not as big as I think you think it is. It'd be less than a 10% damage buff if Outburst wasn't getting thrown into the mix tbh. The extra rage alone would be good, but not a 10%+ buff.
chrome falcon
pets are too busy giving the melee an excuse to get hit by the swirlies to buff my haste
chrome falcon
i hit avatar 12 times in our 8 minute LoD kill today
cinder nova
But I forgot about the outburst proc
chrome falcon
and that's with a bunch of slow amongus phases
cinder nova
That seems to be where all the throttle is
strong forum
its free dmg, but ofc not as retarded as bear brew or bdk
urban portal
its like fury
chrome falcon
and me using reprisal literally 0 times
urban portal
everything sucks on its own
strong forum
9.2 is all about getting infinite rage
urban portal
but then you combine everything together
strong forum
the rage feedback loop is insane
urban portal
it becomes good
cinder nova
How tilted do you think people would be if they gave warrior a psuedo vengeance back
strong forum
and me using reprisal literally 0 times
you idiot
mighty valley
and then you pile on the uptime on 20% STR from banner
chrome falcon
which fight
strong forum
skolex
strong forum
an fight thats shorter than 5min you hold it for execute
cinder nova
Speaking of Sigil, it looks pretty spicy but what the fuck is it for besides execute memeing
chrome falcon
i used it on pull a few times tonight because i forgot we were going to beat our kill times by 1 minute
strong forum
Speaking of Sigil, it looks pretty spicy but what the fuck is it for besides exe...
even if you use it purely on CD it beats every trinket in dmg
chrome falcon
we beat our halondrus kill time by over 2 minutes so i only got it once there too
cinder nova
Even phial/sack?
strong forum
yes
strong forum
well ideally you pair it with sack
cinder nova
...this feels simtrap
strong forum
how is it simtrap
chrome falcon
nope
strong forum
strong forum
its straight up 30% more dmg
chrome falcon
i saved it for first lk on anduin
and then we skipped second LK so i didn't get a good second use
cinder nova
Because we've seen trinkets that do thick damage on paper but suck wang in practice. I assume sigil is not a prog trinket then
chrome falcon
not really no
unless you overgear
which most of us do by the time we're doing mythic bosses
cinder nova
So using Sigil as NL am I just tap-canceling my FC and going ham?
strong forum
trinkets who do thick dmg on paper are trinkets who deal dmg on their own
not stat trinkets
and for necro, stat trinkets are huge
precisely because you get such a big dmg window during execute
chrome falcon
dump 30% vers on top of your insane banner buff and you just rip everything a new asshole during burst
chilly brook
sack is a huge dam tirnk
chrome falcon
i was 7th on damage to anduin tonight (doesn't count LK obviously which is more important BUT)
strong forum
the 5min CD is oof, but the absurd amount of stats helps make up for it
cinder nova
๐ค ...hmmm we're farming some of our early H kills. I kinda wanna get this thing now.
strong forum
that trinket is like 250 vers perma
except you load all of those stats into execute
paired with other stuff
cinder nova
I don't need to channel Fleshcraft at all for this to work right
strong forum
ye
cinder nova
I can just slap it and charge to forget it exists
chrome falcon
it starts the cast but yeah you don't need to finish it or anything
cinder nova
Oh wait it's not keyed to your actual fleshcraft timer
It's casting fleshcraft and giving vers
I see
chilly brook
i was 7th on damage to anduin tonight (doesn't count LK obviously which is more ...
I was 3rd on overal for andy and like 5th on remnant
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
people think we pad
but we really just slam
chrome falcon
i didn't even check my damage on remnant tbh i assumed it would be dog
mighty valley
sim trap trinkets are ones that you actually have to do something to get perfect use out of it
or like cube, where you can't guarantee you get what you want
this is just fatty stat buff, can't mess it up
well, you can, if you're foolish
cinder nova
So it sounds like top dam trinkets are nutsack and sijil
cinder nova
I barely think about trinkets in keys tbh
chrome falcon
same
just slap on aegis and something that gives stats
@chilly brook i was joint last on remnant jesus
mighty valley
my once-a-week raid guild is slow enough that i pretty much only use damage trinkets in raid
strong forum
wait hol up
mighty valley
actually care about living keys
chrome falcon
fucked anduin up though because we just pushed him from 40%->0 without getting a second intermission lmao
chilly brook
fucked anduin up though because we just pushed him from 40%->0 without getting a...
sheeeeeesh
chrome falcon
yeah if you have good damage
chilly brook
I'd still run sigil
mighty valley
hmmmmm that's close enough that if it's any fight where execute dmg matters more
chrome falcon
huh
chilly brook
personally
chrome falcon
interesting
mighty valley
i'd sigil
chilly brook
Just for the omegachad executes
urban portal
sigit is funnier
strong forum
ya this is exactly 1 use of sigil
urban portal
yeah
strong forum
in a shorter fight
sigil is better
and in a longer fight, sigil is better
but at exactly 5min, phial wins by a few dps
chilly brook
And in dopamine, sigil is better
urban portal
m assuming you changed the variance to 1.0
chilly brook
๐
urban portal
so its not 5 min+-20%
strong forum
it is
mighty valley
go back in time to sylvanas, three uses
strong forum
chrome falcon
you'll get 3 on anduin and jailer i think
urban portal
yeah so it sometimes will be 2 ueses
chrome falcon
not sure how long anduin has been
chilly brook
so only 1 use
strong forum
yes
chrome falcon
anduin is annoying because 5 min CD and 4 mins between intermission, i think on mythic you sigil first intermission and execute but maybe it's pull and second intermission+BL
chilly brook
anduin is annoying because 5 min CD and 4 mins between intermission, i think on ...
perfect for me as fury
strong forum
cuz im not smart enough to tell the sim to use sigil on pull if the trinket will still be ready for execute
chrome falcon
i hate that we're killing hc jailer just for one item
feels like such a waste of time
but man that item is
real good
chilly brook
But Andy is like 9.5 minutes
strong forum
chilly brook
so 2 uses really
strong forum
this is 2x sigil use on a 350sec fight
chilly brook
Honestly Andy is a perfect long fight
chrome falcon
yeah anduin doesn't feel like it takes 10 minutes
mighty valley
yeah anduin is a hype fight
chrome falcon
whereas sylvanas felt like 20
strong forum
so yeah, in a real scenario sigil is just better
chilly brook
my 259 offhand doesn't even get replace by a 278
strong forum
if used correctly
chrome falcon
my ret pala gets more dps from going M jaithys->HC jailer
than he gets from 0pc->4pc
mighty valley
sylvanas was only good as a fight you beat first pull on normal going in blind
anything that resembled prog, blah
none of it held up to repetition except 3rd phase has cool execution
but having to slog through the rest to get there........ awful
cinder nova
than he gets from 0pc->4pc
oof is their tier that bad?
chrome falcon
it's ret paladin
cinder nova
or is the club that good
chrome falcon
class is literally never allowed to be good
strong forum
ret pally is just that bad
cinder nova
I dunno WOTLK pre-patch in TBC they were batshit
chrome falcon
yeah
cinder nova
I guess after that everyone wanted them dead
chrome falcon
my ret paladin is top 50 world and his double legendary+4pc this week is letting him do as much dps as our demo lock did last week
fucking extremely tragic class
cinder nova
And it's melee
mighty valley
the true holy war - the first real ret paladin vs launch DK
chrome falcon
and it's probably the worst class in the game in keys
strong forum
bro i loved fighting launch DKs as my dwarf warrior in wrath
cinder nova
Imagine being burdened with the veiny throbbing asspain that is melee DPS
strong forum
oh so youre a DK?
cinder nova
and still getting so aggressively outgunned by meme ranged
strong forum
stoneform
mighty valley
lmao
strong forum
wheres your dmg now bitch
all of dks dmg was their diseases and shit, and stoneform used to make you immune for 10seconds to debuffs
mighty valley
wotlk was the first expac where levelling as prot warrior wasn't a total chore
cinder nova
UHDK was fun to cleave raids with tho ngl
mighty valley
and every rogue that jumped you on pvp servers just could not kill you
cinder nova
It was wrath
chrome falcon
yeah
cinder nova
Imagine if they gave us that back
cinder nova
People would raise hell
mighty valley
you could just solo every group quest, even if someone tried to gank you
strong forum
good times
cinder nova
Man if they gave warrior ANY kind of purge people would be fucking losing their minds
cinder nova
Imagine warrior having any utility in PVP outside being a focus target ๐
chrome falcon
watching M jailer i have no idea how we're going to handle that shit
strong forum
Imagine warrior having any utility in PVP outside being a focus target ๐
well arms is a literal utility god in pvp
in SL
strong forum
good ones do
cinder nova
Don't you get locked out of half the arms tree tho
chrome falcon
if you have another warrior or something similar beating your face in
cinder nova
You lose all pressure
strong forum
better than dying?
mighty valley
swap back once their burst is done
cinder nova
I guess? How do you come off that back foot tho
chrome falcon
beat their face in
strong forum
SL is all about burst
cinder nova
Entire warrior chat rn
hit them first even if they hit you first
strong forum
you dont magically lose pressure by using SB for 4seconds to completely negate and entire go from a rogue
chrome falcon
strong forum
lots of shit is still blockable
like
also
nobody goes on arms war anyway
dbts with sub 1.5min CD
rally with 1min CD
def stance
cinder nova
Really? I'm always a train target. I feel like I'm having to flee half the match and then do a quick 180 to just clobber dudes
Granted
It's usually a kill
cinder nova
I'll ask my lock
strong forum
right, or just use SB against someone using CDs on you
and then go back
and proceed as normal
you use it as a counter
not as a "oh i guess ill perma use shield now"
chilly brook
yeah man you wanna feel squishy play fury
AWC tho
cinder nova
Yeah my main worry was just that it'd be completely abandoning your kill potential
Especially since you're spending a GCD getting in and out of it
Which feels clunky
strong forum
your kill potential comes from lining up CDs
mighty valley
you're spending a GCD, they're spending their burst CDs
strong forum
^
cinder nova
Fair
strong forum
pvp doesnt play like pve
chrome falcon
just think of it as def stance on drugs
chilly brook
Blizo was just mauling people as fury in AWC
strong forum
where you lose if you dont have uptime
PVP comes from outplaying shit and bursting people
its not about dps
cinder nova
I wish Death Wish was meta
strong forum
its about dmg in the right moment
and dealing dmg when youre getting bursted is not the grandest idea
dawn canyon
Just Pop parry full CDs and try bonk
strong forum
that can do the trick
dawn canyon
what if you just kill them first
This is necrolord Arms gaming mindset
strong forum
and force mistakes
dawn canyon
Or queue into surv hpriest and jump off the map
strong forum
cinder nova
I dunno I'm still partial to Askren vs Maz
That knee was audible
It's a fucking wonder he's got a skull after that
chilly brook
Don Frye is a legend
cinder nova
Let alone how clean his face was in the day after interview
By some miracle Askren looked like he didn't take the entire weight of Mas' flying knee right to the front of his dome
chilly brook
awkward angle of impact
doesn't look like he actually took the knee as much as the femur
cinder nova
Oh he took knee. If you find the vid you can hear the clack sound on impact even from the distance they were at
Gotta imagine if the ref thought he was dead for a sec
chilly brook
Oh he took knee. If you find the vid you can hear the clack sound on impact even...
watched it in slow mo
homie took most of the leg on the side of the face but the impact looks more like it's lower
maybe the chin
cinder nova
The fuck was that sound then
chilly brook
really looks more like he took the knee to the collarbone
cinder nova
If that's true it's shocking it's intact, but his head would've eaten the lion's share of the force
mighty valley
did he have 4p for this fight
cinder nova
kek
cinder nova
Imagine getting bodied by Mas' 4p Outburst knee
Good to see #protection is captial ook ook
chilly brook
Good to see <#148897941883584512> is captial ook ook
lol
either way that's a nasty hit
craggy pilot
is necro doable for M+?
craggy pilot
for PF with no Necro, should i swap? ๐ค
chilly brook
but fleshcraft would be nice in PF
craggy pilot
i hate the haste add is such a weird position for the first boss
low beacon
I'm a dps main casually tanking vault keys, not sure if I'm a fan of the 4p, I noticed I overcap IP a fuckton, even randomly when the 2p procs, nothing you can do about it i guess?
chrome falcon
nope nothing at all
have fun blasting 120 rage into literally just anger management and your next outburst
cinder nova
I'm a dps main casually tanking vault keys, not sure if I'm a fan of the 4p, I n...
Overcapping IP is not an issue.
The value of the 2/4P is the obnoxious amount of rage it lets it shovel into AM and thereby increase our overall potency.
mighty valley
most of the time damage intake is constant enough that the IP press isn't truly wasted
low beacon
i just noticed that my weakaura shows red ip value which means its capped and i made the outburst a "bam" sound, so whenever red text is there and i hear bam, the next thunder clap or shield slam basically gives no ip at all
couldve been something else for the set bonus im sure
having avatar all the time basicaslly is nice though
nothing like bear pulling 6 packs and doing 170k dps though 
mighty valley
ok let's not look over there
maiden ravine
weee, tripled soul cinders
mighty valley
I already had a billion
Guess my alts are set for life
Now I just need to make money
gritty tiger
I'm certain this has been brought up. is the Vigilant shield any good or is it not worth over the one from Skolex ^
chilly brook
I'm certain this has been brought up. is the Vigilant shield any good or is it n...
it's fine
afaik it's a wash between the two
sweet summit
extra block better defensively, offensive mode is dogshit
gritty tiger
Thanks the Offensive mode was kind of what I wasn't certain about. If the stat loss was in any way worth it.
latent pier
can we blacklist the words bear and guardian in this chat please
Why they aren't even the best anymore
Or did that change
sweet summit
dumbfuck damage
chrome falcon
bears are playing 10.0 rn
latent pier
Isn't paladin the actual dumbest
low beacon
friend showed me a clip where he did even more, like 170k dps ๐คฃ
feral 4p died for this
mighty valley
feral's hands look like this so guardian's hands can look like this
imagine pictures of hands here
latent pier
isnt that orb?
low beacon
orb is seperate in details
sweet summit
orb is "kyrian weapons"
craggy pilot
man wtf, had Warr + DH in my party, and they kept insta focusing addspawns in PF with ST so they took insta aggro and died...
3rd boss + 4th boss
kept dying due to aggro
low beacon
does the 200% more effective thing make thunderclap slow like crazy? i didnt pay attention in the one key i was tanking
lofty widget
it's like a 50 % slow when its empowered
craggy pilot
and why do i keep getting 260 ilvl shamans who cant pull 4k hps even though entire party is 50% hp entire time... :<
low beacon
that wouldve been nice, sucks to be reliant on others for when you'd like to kite
lofty widget
tc slow is enough for kiting
sweet summit
i don't kite 
lofty widget
that aswell yea
low beacon
i was playing ravager and felt like it was a bad idea, i didnt know you drown in rage and i never found a good time to use it ๐คฃ
sweet summit
chuck it out before you charge into a pull
low beacon
i was playing necro because i thought you'd get conduits 100% but you dont, so i always started a pull by using banner next to the shadow priest
would be awkward to stand there 2 globals before going it
chrome falcon
don't think about other people with banner 95% of the time
treating banner as a group buff is the trap
it's just a giant buff for yourself
low beacon
shadow hardcarried that top key, might as well buff him
mighty valley
make them work to get it if they want it
craggy pilot
i feel like im getting so much rage that i cant even find time to dump it into Revenge... does it make sense to use some Empowered TC then? Or is it still just more value to put SS even though the entire Rage gain goes into IP instead of Revenge? ๐ค
chrome falcon
yeah just use it on SS and blow more rage into IP
mighty valley
maximize rage generated, maximize rage spent, even if it's going to empty IPs
we're just trying to get Avatar faster and extend banner
craggy pilot
i feel like im spamming so much rage into IP, and overcapping 50% of the time
mighty valley
that's fine
craggy pilot
we're just trying to get Avatar faster and extend banner
ah avatar faster, makes sense tbh
didnt think of that thx
but im Kyr, so no banner
mighty valley
sure, still, more avatar with 4p is huge
mighty valley
pugs be puggin
chrome falcon
do you guys drop the mika potency conduit just so you can have control over phial
because wow this shit is annoying
mighty valley
some real big bleeds worth clearing
let the halls gargons stack you up then blam, gone
sweet summit
honestly
knock on phial has been growing on me
situational stop for scary cast is nice
mighty egret
chrome falcon
hell yeah bud mmm mmm feels good
i think @oblique garnet was convinced you could dodge it or outplay it somehow but i might be thinking of someone else
chrome falcon
good lord man why are people queueing for a 20 when they all dump their kicks into a goliath i already fucking kicked
civic torrent
Sounds dumb but with all the IP we are getting from dumping rage + outburst, I'm feeling like Never Surrender is gaining stonks
languid smelt
For multi speccing are you guys putting Unity on the Wrists?
waxen orbit
Sounds dumb but with all the IP we are getting from dumping rage + outburst, I'm...
The opposite
That much rage that you're dumping is going to benefit Indom
urban portal
never surrender is horribly tuned
and doesnt work with how ignore pain works
the fact that its a 50% dr makes it hard
radiant magnet
urban portal
indom probably is just more hps
waxen orbit
It indisputably is
mighty cairn
if u generate enough rage for perma ip
ur basically always 50% dr right
sounds p op right
chrome falcon
there is no such thing as perma ip
you can cap IP and a blocked hit from a heroic boss will wipe out the entire IP
chrome falcon
it should be 100%
mighty cairn
is it pure cope or we getting another 6%
chrome falcon
because some stuff is all over the place atm
but i doubt we're getting touched
more like nerfs on the other outlier tanks
that should have happened months ago in PTR
mighty cairn
maybe they want bear and other tanks to b strong
to increase player retention and tank population in m+
makes sense
civic torrent
That much rage that you're dumping is going to benefit Indom
gotcha - I had an actual think about it and yeah Never Surrender is pretty shit, I feel like it'd be a lot better if it worked oppositely where you "prepared" for the hit by using IP at high health
and were rewarded for it
waxen orbit
Yeah the talent could for sure use a redesign
light quartz
more like nerfs on the other outlier tanks
I have a feeling they wont touch them unless there are any bugs going on, like they did prot warrior through BFA. That being said with current gear levels getting 18% DR from consecration and 50-60% Block while blocking spells feels pretty powerful, would love to see some buffs to Ignore Pain and to the 4 set to bring the gap closer.
cinder dirge
IP is just a trash spell that needs to go away or be fixed this is outrageous.
How can IP overcap after less than 2 and half IP in a row when ursoc's fury's shield by spamming thrash overcap looks like it doesn't exist ? IP is a major problem in prot warrior kit that will not get fix 'til next expansion at least but let's hope 9 2 5 save us all in some ways
cunning viper
is this better than defensive matrix
waxen orbit
Hell nah
light quartz
IP is just a trash spell that needs to go away or be fixed this is outrageous.
H...
100%. I would love just for fun to see how BFA S4 Prot warrior talent distribution and triple Bastion of might would compare to current Brew and Pala.
cinder nova
IP is just a trash spell that needs to go away or be fixed this is outrageous.
H...
They saw what whacky bullshit it could pull at ATB when you're flushed with rage.
tropic linden
Can someone link to me the WA that shows the target of the cast on top of the nameplate?
Or can i do it with plater?
chrome falcon
Yeah I mean IP is just a terrible spell this is certainly true
mighty valley
it's tricky, if IP was an efficient good spell at the start of the season, it would be busted by now with this much rage
idk, rethink the spell imo
rethink what we're meant to do with rage
light quartz
And with our Mastery while at it.
cinder nova
I dunno crit block is pretty stronk
It sucks that it's RNG but the power of crit block is massive.
They'd have to give us armor somewhere if they took out crit block
young harbor
is first sigil no good for prot?
chrome falcon
Itโs great in raids if you want to execute a boss so hard that they still feel it next reset
Which you should, because thatโs cool and fun
But defensively, on aoe, and in m+, itโs bad
mossy ferry
Any tips for staying alive in DoS? Those big packs with inspiring I just get rocked when I run out of cooldowns.
empty zealot
Any tips for staying alive in DoS? Those big packs with inspiring I just get roc...
I huess Heroic Leap out and kite its your best friend there ๐
cunning viper
I lust first pull and get shroud relic to ardenweald
mossy ferry
Is there any way to prevent the first pair of Devoted in Hakkar's wing from transforming, since they're next to an inspiring guy?
Drag him away from them maybe?
maiden ravine
You might be able to burst them? Depends on key level. That pull always sucks on Inspiring
eager lodge
Pull priest and los
Then have youe dps blow them up/cc them
Or hug the wall and skip it
waxen orbit
Is there any way to prevent the first pair of Devoted in Hakkar's wing from tran...
What @eager lodge said. LOS the priest and have all your DPS blow up the devoted and CC them to prevent transformation
scenic mural
marble folio
im absolutely new to prot, but im very good at the other spec
any good youtube guides or certain people to watch
and one question, in raid, with reprisal, intervene on cd and agressively charge weave when im not holding aggro or no
mighty valley
You can find times in spellcasts etc when you can get to charge distance even when you do have aggro โ which is good since you want to use the block uptime if you can
And yeah intervene on cd when you have aggro
I think Sense still puts vids up on youtube
jagged pier
ill upload some maybe at some point
there isnt enough prots out there
XD
but then again whats the point sense is just on another lvl
blazing condor
try harder 
jagged pier
i have maybe if i didnt have a job and could play 14 hours a day
but i dont even want to do that
blazing condor
same
blazing condor
yeah i feel you
in a sense its kind of shitty that you can get tier doing everything cus it forces you to do more content and also is a bigger middle finger if you dont get it
even though i think that system is way better than just having raid-bound tokens
jagged pier
well apprently if u kill the tier bosses u have a higher chance in vault to get tier
which i doubt
as i've killed the tier bosses every week
blazing condor
everybody out here making myths up
jagged pier
and not had a single 1
blazing condor
jagged pier
no like blizz said it i think
jagged pier
we even went into normal and took classes that didnt need the set piece out so we were more likely to get trades for tier pieces
still didnt get it
blazing condor
jagged pier
ionic fern
blazing condor
who here has the most /played you think
jagged pier
erga probably
blazing condor
i believe it
strong forum
I think it's more around 500 days
That's around 10% of all days in the last 15 years spent on wow
blazing condor
every tenth day you played a whole day of wow
i think i got like 150 days total on my warr since cata
maybe a bit more
so im defo not taking the top spot
jagged pier
i have around 500 alone on my warrior
and this is on an account i started in wrath
my clasic and tbc one has loads of days ive lost
oh 441 days on warrior in total
my life
jagged pier
pretty much
hollow bolt
i wonder if theres an addon that mesures all your toons play time and gives u one big number
hollow bolt
Damn!
i should do it one day but im scared
spend more time on this shite game then at school, atleast im good enough 2 hit shield slam like a motherrfucker
maiden ravine
I already know how much time I've spent on WoW, don't need a mental breakdown seeing the numbers
bold linden
Should i Go for the Wall instead of reprisal for heavy Magic m+? E.g. dos?
hollow bolt
If ur taking 2 much magic damage ask ur dps 2 kick, if they dont leave!
kick the mobs or kick yourself
bold linden
OK thanks!
blazing condor
i have no idea about other tanks
do DKs have a lot of snap aggro?
aka can they handle if dps start bursting early on in packs
jagged pier
once they have 4 set its not an issue anymore
and its shouldnt be that much of an issue for any tank tbh
ive only had it a few times when dps are dumb
like ive only just charged and they already popped everything and doing 70 k
๐
hazy sinew
do DKs have a lot of snap aggro?
i have bad experience with blood dk's.
waited for 3 seconds, reck - charge - rampage - dead because i pulled agro.
2nd time i just charge - dead because i pulled agro.
blazing condor
sad!
hazy sinew
and that's with different tank btw
strong forum
Fury and frost dk are the most likely dps to die to aggro
jagged pier
yer its only arse for use when u need to dump rage on pull into IP so u can ss with and outburst proc
strong forum
That's the 1 scenario where I'd say to use outburst TC
First global on a pack
Just for threat
jagged pier
i usually do now
but when i first started i will like SS
i cba to manage than much on pull of a pack
strong forum
Only with 4p
jagged pier
not if u dont have avatar
strong forum
strong forum
can't you just avatar tc for aggro
But yes that's how I advised it
blazing condor
just making sure you know i listen
hasty spade
What is good uptime for Shield block and IP? Just did my first key on a 15 PF and had 65% on both
hazy sinew
its not enough with ravager and revenge with reprisal lego for snap agro?
blazing condor
better yet, spear
strong forum
Ravager - charge + avatar - TC (only for threat on pull) - spear/AA - revenge/SS
jagged pier
its not enough with ravager and revenge with reprisal lego for snap agro?
not vs a fury warrior bursting 70k before ravs even got a tick off yet
blazing condor
What is good uptime for Shield block and IP? Just did my first key on a 15 PF an...
depends what legendary / talents you run. SB uptime is low though. IP uptime doesnt really matter
jagged pier
What is good uptime for Shield block and IP? Just did my first key on a 15 PF an...
we only care about effective uptime and u can only get that from logging
hazy sinew
not vs a fury warrior bursting 70k before ravs even got a tick off yet
that's on the fury warrior i say
hasty spade
word
jagged pier
that's on the fury warrior i say
well yes its on dps to give u a few seconds now
but they dont
maiden ravine
I let fury and havoc die if they don't use something personal on pull. They know how easily their stuff will steal aggro
blazing condor
gotta teach them somehow
like i let the dps who pull for me die ๐
well depends if they have some uptime CD thing going on and need to keep it going im a bit more lenient
hazy sinew
i let them pull when we still have some uptime on CD and they pulled what we're going to pull anyway. i let them die if they pull unnecessary mobs just to pad meter
maiden ravine
I'm okay with a healer deciding to pull a pack sometimes
rancid tiger
SB uptime... well i mean it all depends
if u have 100% uptime when theres loads of mobs and u let it fall of on purpose to do dmg when theres less its fine
if the SB drops off when most are alive its a disaster ๐
jagged pier
thats why we only care about effective time
rancid tiger
exactly
also why ever IP if theres 3 mobs and u can spam sexecute
.D
or revenge dmg
dusky sentinel
everyone should have 4p by now no?
Not even cool bruh. My luck on loot in general has been as sad as the maw
west walrus
Pug life be like "why did you pull this pack ?" "because it's on the route I linked" x)
blazing condor
no reason to link routes
people dont know shit about MDT and dont care about routes
they will blame you regardless
west walrus
I have a healer friend who once said "sorry, I am not skilled enough to heal one shots"
west walrus
You received 3 heals !
jagged pier
tame jasper
Defense Matrix ๐
maiden ravine
Should've been dwarf
Self cleansing bleeds
That said, not even a single casted heal for 5 seconds even after sever is atrocious.
maiden ravine
Maybe he thought you were playing one of the 5 tanks who can self-heal haha
jagged pier
well funny enough the other week a healer complained because he has to actually heal the tank
who have thought
maiden ravine
Wtb Avatar healing like Muradin!
dusky sentinel
Swear to god. The urge to play dk is real. But! Warrior fo life! Freeeeeedom!!
maiden ravine
Warrior is fun but yeah, sucks being the tank without magical abilities
strong forum
The urge to quit discords is real
jagged pier
โ๏ธ
west walrus
Wasn't thunderclap nature damage in previous expansions ?
tropic linden
well funny enough the other week a healer complained because he has to actually ...
I mean, idk what ppl are talking about. Played healer most part of SL. Prot War was always the tank i had to heal the least
And bear
just put some passive healings and pump dmg
young glen
Holy shit. Haven't played my warr since CN and now being asked to return to tank for our progression raid. ilvl 226 here I come :S
tawdry dirge
why is it that we should according to wowhead guide craft unity on ring?
maiden ravine
Yes, once you have mythic tier 4p
junior igloo
That said, not even a single casted heal for 5 seconds even after sever is atroc...
There is WoG, Holy Shock, and 3 Martyrs in 5 back-to-back globals.
Now I'm not saying it was or wasn't anyone's fault, it is quite possible that he should have saved/used a cd for this situation. (Like wings, sac, or even BoP to clear the bleed)
But a "casted heal" is not really a thing for a holy paladin.