so in bfa
#protection
chrome falcon
well, yeah
strong forum
thunderlords was bad all of SL
chilly brook
Legion
chrome falcon
i definitely don't mean in shadowlands
chrome falcon
not only did they nerf the legendary itself, they also made the ability it reduces the CD of 10x worse
strong forum
TL wouldve been really good if they didnt cap the reduction
safe thistle
booming voice should be baked into demo shout and giving us a new talent to pick in that row
strong forum
and if they didnt buff the wall
but they did both in the same patch
the reduction was uncapped and 3sec per target, then they capped it to 3 targets and 1.5sec reduction (iirc)
chilly brook
booming voice should be baked into demo shout and giving us a new talent to pick...
I mean tbh prot has a lot of talents that feel like they should be baked in
safe thistle
yah like devastator
chilly brook
AM, bolster, BV etc.
opal pawn
Indom I'd say.
chilly brook
Last Stand is such a meme without the conduit
strong forum
indom, bv, bolster am
should all be baseline
then make all the new talents passives
that alter some other stuff
but make the fucking base class work
remove all buttons from talents
make a talent which increases the CD reduction from anger management on SW, one which increases avatar cd reduction
stuff like that!
chilly brook
make a talent which increases the CD reduction from anger management on SW, one ...
make on that's old AM with Last Stand being reduced as well 
sharp yacht
Yeah thats what it is, im just not gonna prot tank, it never felt right to me at all versus pally/dh
just wanted to try and keep to oen toon for content
safe thistle
dont force yourself its a game
strong forum
nothing wrong with that
safe thistle
dh is pretty straight forward and not much management for ressource etc... cd always rdy and a oh shit
strong forum
DH used to play like a dps that is just very very tanky
but SL fucked that up with it being so weak
and being forced into that dumb brand playstyle
safe thistle
yah thats what i felt when i played it thats why i started tanking on them haha
man the gluttony thing was so sick
i was nearly always in meta
strong forum
with SPB being meta gain itll defo play alot better again
if only 4p wasnt heavily bugged
safe thistle
i always hated spirit bomb play though
strong forum
then your opinion is wrong
safe thistle
i prefered BFA dh
chilly brook
SPB is goated
strong forum
and it was only playable cuz of TD
it was defo funny as fuck to be literally immortal at all times
but the dps was just sad
chilly brook
S4 Vengeance was pog
strong forum
i played vdh all of BFA
safe thistle
nyalotha dh was so stupid strong i was havoc and vengeance :/
strong forum
1 button rotation
when 70% of your dmg was TD and you just spammed shear / fracture
very gameplay
safe thistle
you had so much haste from the eyebeam thing
safe thistle
yah dh should get fracture baseline too
feel like devastator
needed stuff
bear ppl keep saying how good it is and all but once i tried, its so damn boring
brittle owl
bfa vdh was garbage until s4
no u
mighty valley
hnngghhh today I have to choose between 252 tier piece vs. 278 weapon or codex of first technique
chilly brook
wtf is this SL s4
Blizzard trying to get you back
And honestly doing a decent job about making me hopeful
chrome falcon
i am absolutely losing my mind at that announcement
chilly brook
Same
chrome falcon
i had to check the date
it's a shame that nathria and SoD are super mediocre raids
i don't want to go back to SLG or sylvanas but
holy shit
safe thistle
If it's true at least that means they won't let us sit on this affix/season for like 2 years
strong forum
instead you get to do all 3 raid tiers
in at the same time
with increased difficulty
chrome falcon
we should still be able to do the whole thing right
chrome falcon
well yeah you had to precast it but that boss was super predictable
chrome falcon
i just remember swapping to double SR legendary and doing 30% of the bosses hp with SR
chilly brook
instead you get to do all 3 raid tiers
I mean at least you can't complain about not enough to do in the game
chrome falcon
i can't imagine any kind of "affix" that they could add
that wouldn't make something like sludgefist impossible
chrome falcon
nothing fun
ornate magnet
😭😭
sweet summit
remain ignorant
chrome falcon
no orange class propaganda in the channel please
vernal vale
Debating if I should go necro with double legendary and 0 tier for raid this week.
sweet summit
i think you need at least 2 set to have enough rage for infinite banner ™️
vernal vale
Sigh, guess I'll continue to not get the fun.
strong forum
with 2L its still very strong offensively
but itll take a bit more effort
kyrian/NF are just alot easier to play decently
cuz its just 1 cd you press whenever its ready or lines up for dmg phases
and you already used it correctly
humble tendon
Is there gonna be s4? Wtf they leak in wowhead.
strong forum
not a leak
sweet summit
yep
strong forum
its an official blue post
sweet summit
1.5-2 years 
strong forum
my prediction is Q3/Q4 2023
humble tendon
Omg we will be burned in sl forever. Thanks 👍
sweet summit
blazing condor
Dont forget youre here forever.jpg
latent pier
humble tendon
If they need time so next expansion rox its ok. Otherwise it will be so disappointing 😂
chilly brook
cant wait to re progress SLG
Hey I’m kinda pog on it
I’m gonna be blasting as fury
wild hemlock
nooooooo thats the further away the prot warrior rework is
but also more time for them
chrome falcon
please no more reworks they don't need to rework us every expansion
chrome falcon
our current state isn't amazing without our borrowed power but it's not going to get better if they tear everything down every expansion and build from scratch
wild hemlock
we cant do anything vs magic or shit
vs the others
i mean spell reflect yes but uhhhh
strong forum
they keep bringing in more and more magic damage which no tank can reliably mitigate
but every other tank can heal in 1 way or the other against it
or get big absorbs
we have neither
wild hemlock
and give us some utility other than rally and a shitty aoe stun lol
strong forum
im specifically talking rygelon and jailer here
the jailers mythic tank buster is the most anti pwar thing you can think off
wild hemlock
Bop, silences out the wazoo, grips, and then theres rally
wild hemlock
it is good dont get me wrong
chrome falcon
wait what's the jailer mythic tank buster
strong forum
ultra big magic nuke followed by an 18sec dot which ticks every single second for almost half of your hp
strong forum
180k tank buster magic
followed by 45k dot per second
very awesome
very reasonable
wild hemlock
rally >>>>>>>>> bop
and i was speaking for general m+ utility
chrome falcon
hey don't forget the fact that you have to run to the other side of the room probably away from healers for that tank buster
chrome falcon
yeah idk what this argument is LOL
chrome falcon
monk has a longer stun on a longer CD
wild hemlock
monk rope
strong forum
1.5min CD for silence sigil
chrome falcon
vdh just fucking dies
what use is rop in a m+ pack
99% of the time you can only use it to troll your group
wild hemlock
sanguine. boop for interupt anything lmao
strong forum
rop is only good for skipping or kiting
chrome falcon
we have fear to interrupt shit
strong forum
and maybe bounce party against wall
like m8, thats a massive case of "the grass is greener on the other side"
chrome falcon
play a tauren prot warrior and see if a mob literally ever gets a cast off
wild hemlock
lol
chrome falcon
bear has what utility
wild hemlock
fucking invincable lmao
chrome falcon
roar and disorient
chrome falcon
ok but you were talking about "pack to pack"
strong forum
dmg/surv isnt utility
wild hemlock
ooga ooga
chrome falcon
warrior probably has some of the best pack control in the game
strong forum
ye
chrome falcon
maybe vdh is better or equal but again that class just fucking EXPLODES
strong forum
vdh is NOT equal
only bear is worse than vdh
in terms of pack control
vdh has 2 1min+ cds
to do anything for 0.1sec
doesnt even have a stun
chrome falcon
yeah i guess sigil CDs are looooong
strong forum
VDH are extremely helpless when stuff needs to be stopped
distant crystal
sigil cds aren't so bad when you're chainkilling Urh tho
tropic linden
Yeah, but it's another play style. VDH don't facetank like war, they are the king of kite
grave crane
is codex of the first technique any good?
tropic linden
is codex of the first technique any good?
What are your options?
There are betters, it's not trash
strong forum
its very good defensively, gets better the higher content you do, offensively there are better options until ultra keys
grave crane
its between that and the rygelon mastery ring. it would be replacing my 226 annhyldes ageis
got tier gloves that i already looted and legs that are where i have reprisal lol
mighty valley
you can take tier legs and move reprisal
aegis + codex is extremely defensively strong
grave crane
sorry maybe i misspoke, i didnt get tier legs, i got tier gloves which i already looted, and normal legs
mighty valley
oh hm
grave crane
right now im running aegis and protoforge
mighty valley
you'll want to move reprisal eventually but codex sounds like the most uniquely useful option here
chrome falcon
i would probably grab the codex
yeah like harrow said
unique-ish
if you find yourself doing something that is beating your fucking face in
codex helps
tropic linden
and a mastery ring u will replace soon
chrome falcon
sepulchre rings 🤮
grave crane
for sure, any particluar reason to move reprisal?
tropic linden
tier is leg
grave crane
yeah i figured the ring was not good, and damn that kinda sucks
tropic linden
i mean, more stat is always good. But u have better options
mighty valley
final setup when you have everything should be unity on helm + all four other tier slots
unless you have offspecs you care about in which case it's more complicated
tropic linden
btw, tier is for each spec? or they change when i swap spec?
grave crane
i mean i mostly just tank on this guy, and i was gonna make unity on back since i can make the 291 backs anyway
they swap
strong forum
tier swaps
tropic linden
i mean i mostly just tank on this guy, and i was gonna make unity on back since ...
The pins recomend the wall on back
Thanks 🙂
IDK if the wall is gonna be usefull this raid
chrome falcon
yeah i'm not sure
mighty valley
helm is just more stats than back
chrome falcon
it'll probably beat reprisal on LoD
mighty valley
so putting a 291 there is strong
chrome falcon
but with so much rage gen from glory reprisal
shield wall CD is going to be short as hell anyway
mighty valley
wall sounds pretty good on jailer with that wild tankbuster
but i dunno, not a single prot warrior has seen mythic jailer yet, so
strong forum
jailer melees
sharp torrent
if I play fury in raid but tank keys mostly as prot...what would be the go to stats for unity if I didn't want to craft two?
strong forum
Very hard
his unmit melee is like 200k
monks get 1clapped if they dont have shuffle up
from a single melee
mighty valley
oof
chrome falcon
He casts quite a lot though
chilly brook
just block
maiden ravine
235 rings jumped to 50k on stormrage, haha
chilly brook
4head
strong forum
delicate iron
So when using wall, how do you deal with lack of shield block due to no reprisal? Do you just take it on a chin and hope for the best / random block?
delicate iron
Which fights would you recommend using wall over reprisal? (Heroic)
strong forum
pretty much none
chrome falcon
i think it's fine on lod
strong forum
tru i guess
but since you have 2 bosses you can easily charge weave onto the other boss without much trouble
chrome falcon
yeah with practice you definitely could
cinder nova
pretty much none
Can you pin the ideal opener for Unity NL memes?
I'm kinda dumb ngl
craggy pilot
just do simc, and check the cast sequence?
cinder nova
You assume I have SimC installed kek
quaint glade
Got it at long last 🥲
strong forum
You can check the cast sequence just by going to the HTML and then check the spell order
safe thistle
seems its still gonna be bdk/monk for jailer with that burst dmg
not like they gonna do an illidan kinda mechanic so they have to ring a warrior haha
strong forum
Ya until he's nerfed I don't think other tanks will have a grand time on him
safe thistle
bdk really became beast they were already good the only problem was the dps they were doing
ppl are all over ppally but bdk is the tank healer want in raid 😛
jagged bay
gz lunaera
cinder nova
What's the expected uptime on banner with 2P2L
strong forum
Close to 100%
chrome falcon
Depending on what you're doing should be very close to 100%
strong forum
Also grats luna
quaint glade
I wouldn’t be able to do it without y’all help x)
I’m glad I could achieve it as a prot war
cinder nova
Fuck, sounds like 71% isn't enough
chrome falcon
71% against what
cinder nova
Halon
chrome falcon
that's fine for halondrus
chrome falcon
mm not sure about skolex
quaint glade
Would appreciate some help/suggestions so I can improve myself more https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ckFbJ3BdhP6rLqyz/
chrome falcon
burrow is like 5-7 seconds downtime
waxen orbit
True actually nvm
safe thistle
i would say vigilente is 100% uptime
ember token
hm 7% buff in 9.2.5 to dmg/healing for prot
safe thistle
unless you have very good dps that burst everything and you have to wait for add
chrome falcon
you really hit 71% on halondrus?
strong forum
hm 7% buff in 9.2.5 to dmg/healing for prot
Again?
strong forum
Where does it say that
waxen orbit
Where is this info
ember token
but like I said 9.2.5
jagged pier
9.2.5 bit late tbh
lime urchin
Would appreciate some help/suggestions so I can improve myself more https://www....
your blocked hits is a bit low, especially with reprisal (around 75% would be nice), so I think you gonna need to intervene more / pay a bit more attention to when you actually need to block stuff, also you did not use shield wall / last stand often enough, they sat on CD a lot. It doesn't look like you rage-capped much, but I am not sure if you wasted too much rage, that's something the old farts here can see better.
jagged pier
Should be after rwf
mellow bridge
uh
im pretty sure those changes are already live
they probably just had to update ptr with them?
jagged pier
Would appreciate some help/suggestions so I can improve myself more https://www....
Oh phone so cant see much but your casts are omega low like half of what they should be
@strong forum quick check of the log above? not on pc and phone being annoying cant see the usual things
quaint glade
🥲
strong forum
Shield slam is half of what it should be
TC is a bit low too
But you really gotta work on shieldslam
quaint glade
But I spam it as much I can 😦
maiden ravine
The ptr is just the already done hotfixes
strong forum
6cpm of shield slam
cinder nova
you really hit 71% on halondrus?
Yeah
chrome falcon
if you're casting shield slam 6 times a minute that's once every 10 seconds
quaint glade
Ugh will work on that
chrome falcon
shield slam does not have a 10 second cooldown
strong forum
but like I said 9.2.5
Those are false
chrome falcon
also uh
strong forum
All those things are already in
strong forum
According to squishei theyre compared to launch, not to current patch
lime urchin
probably hamstring in charge macro
chrome falcon
what
chrome falcon
excellent question i'm not sure either
strong forum
Hamstring is in your charge macro
It's a 50% slow applied to the target
Costs 10 rage
quaint glade
Intervene?
strong forum
Hamstring
quaint glade
Oh
chrome falcon
why do people macro hamstring into charge i'm so confused is that a pvp thing?
strong forum
Yes
waxen orbit
Yeah
chrome falcon
ok yeah definitely don't burn 250 rage on nothing
quaint glade
I am not quite sure if it is in charge got to check it
strong forum
But it's good to have it ready if you need a prio slow and nobody in your group can
quaint glade
I just copied that macro without checking tbh
strong forum
But you gotta be aware
sonic tangle
With the new belt, does it really change anything for us covenantwise? We still pmuch gonna run Kyr/NF yeh?
chrome falcon
banner gang in raid
strong forum
NL in raid
Kyr/NF in raid
4p+2l NL is ahead by over 1.5k dps over other covenants in ST
And that gap only widens the longer time you spend in execute
chrome falcon
100% uptime on 23% strength and 400 mastery big smash
strong forum
23% str?
strong forum
Ah
I didn't know what the conduit did, I just knew I had to throw it into the profile
chrome falcon
yeah it's basically the whole reason this shit works
sonic tangle
Im aight staying Kyr/NF til 4piece then? I don't even have a 2piece yet 
strong forum
You're perfectly fine with any covenant
chrome falcon
you're good either way but NL is stronger
strong forum
But glory is just big dps stonks, but harder to play without tier
Nf/Kyr is much much easier to be optimal
Cuz you just send the shit on CD and you Gucci
100% value = get
And on multitarget they're better anyway
sonic tangle
Maybe I'll fk around with NL tonight doing normal tier bosses, see how I fair that way
strong forum
Sure
safe thistle
emeni allow you to fleshcraft while moving which is the best thing too making it a nice defensive
chrome falcon
don't play emeni
something funny about marileth is he basically makes you take 5% less magic damage at all times in keys
because when fleshcraft sucks up a mechnical you get 5% magic DR
safe thistle
in raid emeni is best no ?
strong forum
Kevin is op
chrome falcon
Kevin fucking cranks
lime urchin
kevin fren
chrome falcon
Pustules is great
chrome falcon
channeling fleshcraft for 3 seconds is fucking garbage
safe thistle
how can venthyr be seconds
devout hill
is that with the two legendaries?
cinder nova
Like... the damage from Kevin or just the buff he gives? because I'm pretty sure Kevin is less than 1% of my DPS
chrome falcon
the buff
strong forum
It's 4p+2L and Max gear
cinder nova
Figured.
safe thistle
oh ya theres that
cinder nova
Imagine being able to use Venthyr Condemn with NL Glory 4P
strong forum
But it's still less avatar uptime than necro
devout hill
is necro bis for m+ too?
strong forum
No
safe thistle
cause of the rage generation
strong forum
Yes
safe thistle
yah now we get even bigger revenge number in keys
chrome falcon
you can definitely maintain good banner uptime as necro in some dungeons
but in others it's just fucked
cinder nova
Even with decent uptime the cleave damage from spear or AA dwarfs the 23% STR
Especially with EM
chrome falcon
yeah agreed
safe thistle
crit become more important of a stat if playing kyrian for m+ now no ?
cunning viper
what about NL buffing a mage or moonkin, considering we have URH
cinder nova
Haste and Crit are apparently our highest DPS stats.
So it's already something you should be building out.
strong forum
what about NL buffing a mage or moonkin, considering we have URH
You don't play around buffing others
safe thistle
yah your fine for it already S. from what you told me 😛
strong forum
Not to mention you don't want mage or boomkin in m+ anymore
chrome falcon
if you have a beast group that loves mastery that you can line everything up with
cunning viper
So NL is garbo in m+
safe thistle
rogue will love you anyway
chrome falcon
it's not garbo
chrome falcon
i've been doing 19s/20s pretty easily this week exclusively as necro
strong forum
It's not garbo, just requires alot of chain pulling to keep up Banner, and your snap threat doesn't exist
safe thistle
its still very good on a lust on pull
strong forum
You'll have threat issues as necro in m+
100%
Unless you have a rogue or hunter MD the fuck outta you
safe thistle
yes i tried necro last season and it just plain sucks in keys
cinder nova
Especially against big cleavers that do front-loaded burst like Kyr Fury
strong forum
Or frost dk
cinder nova
Oof FDK
chrome falcon
Necro does not suck in keys STOP BULLYING MY FLAG
chrome falcon
no i know but other people are REEEE
threat is rough, you're forced to use outburst on TC sometimes
which is
absolutely disgraceful
cinder nova
This is also why I prefer Kyr for M+
chrome falcon
but like just throw down ravager as you charge then TC and you're pretty much good
cinder nova
Because pressing TC in big pulls for Outburst doesn't feel like I'm kicking myself in the head
safe thistle
the thing ppl will love the most and is under-rated is the extra move speed necro will give you in raid for quick movement
its small quality of life
cinder nova
I forgot banner even gave move
chrome falcon
yeah having 80% uptime on 30% MS isn't bad but
safe thistle
its close to a woe speed
chrome falcon
we're not struggling for mobility
safe thistle
but it make charge waving even easier
chrome falcon
this is true
safe thistle
you get out of melee even if your the main tank cause you outrun the boss
chrome falcon
uh i dunno about that
vestal moat
If outburst has procced and shield slam just went on cd but we have TC do we just revenge, do anything else other than tc till ss is up?
single target
feels weird trying to train myself
chrome falcon
don't put ss on cd just before outburst procs if you can help it
it really depends, if you need that rage and IP then just hit the TC and accept you fucked up
but if you can afford to wait, the value from the bigger SS is just huge
mostly you just want to TC around 7 stacks so you have SS for the proc
median tulip
What's the new weekly affix set?
ocean yoke
fort/inspiring/grievous
vestal moat
Ok i have the luxthos weakauras and i'd like to modify the Outburst one to play a sound at 7 stacks so i know to put TC on cooldown. any suggestions on how to modify? right now im having it play a sound when Outburst actually procs and by then it's too late.
mighty valley
like, a million
bright dock
Lmaooo
mighty valley
it's really rare that it's better than the 30 extra rage
median tulip
fort/inspiring/grievous
thanks
bright dock
It's that bad? Sad
Sounded cool
Mostly I'm fury so I didn't do much looking in to prot tier just seemed like it would be good dmg aoe
mighty valley
sometimes if you need snap threat, or the pull's going to be over and there's a walk to the next, it's better since the damage on cast will be higher at just like 5 or so targets
chrome falcon
the tier is still good on aoe
bright dock
But I do tank 20s
mighty valley
but keeping the rage flowing is so important to everything we have going on
chrome falcon
that extra rage from SS is more revenges
chilly brook
Well @strong forum they really be tryin to get you back, brand new Dark Iron Dwarf mount and weppys
scenic mural
Wheres the weapons?
Oh shit
Wheres the rest of the heritage armors? And wrapons for others
waxen orbit
Doing 13k overalls without even fucking trying 2pc 2L LMAO
May not be the EZ 18k overalls of bears but
Feels decent
safe thistle
how much crit you have
i wonder how NF vs Kyrian will goes in m+ with 2l they were pretty equal before will it still be the same
waxen orbit
28% crit
safe thistle
thank you
mighty cairn
anyone tested nf vs kyr double lego
i know kyr is prob better but nf pumps in st right
i love natures fury
fossil plank
Conq banner need to be in same group durring raid or just the closest 3 people
echo quail
I'm sure this question has been asked, but.. what is the best place to put the memory of unity?
dark lark
I'm sure this question has been asked, but.. what is the best place to put the m...
Anywhere that doesn't conflict with tier or another lego
I personally put my on wrists because I also play arms and fury
Still gives me free socket
echo quail
Well, like it can go on a ring with socket, so is that the best space?
Oh the wrist give a socket?
dark lark
Wrist has sockets yes
echo quail
hmm ok! thanks!
dark lark
If you don't play other specs then belt is great too
The end all bis spot would be helm
echo quail
yea I just play prot
dark lark
But that would mean you need high ilvl tier for the other 4 already, otherwise you have no flexibility
It's worth just recrafting to helm when you have all max ilvl tier in shoulder chest hands legs in a few months
echo quail
ok, cool thanks!
dark lark
But for now just go in a spot that doesn't conflict and gives a free socket
mighty valley
If you're cheap like me you'll just hang onto belt until you have everything and can safely craft 291 helm
actually i could do it today, i'm 3/4
hmmmmmm
ocean yoke
just be super lucky and get all 5 tier pieces already
mighty valley
but all the more reason to temp replace 252 tier helm with 291 unity helm if it's still putting me on 2pc
ocean yoke
god DAMN double legendary and 4pc feels amazing
cinder nova
Anywhere that doesn't conflict with tier or another lego
No, the answer is helm pretty unanimously.
It's a 291 and wrists has dogwater budget
Chest/Helm are the highest budget items and the only reason it's Helm > Chest is for the socket guarantee.
If you have the cash to move it around a few times as you get weird tier configurations, it's not that important where you put it as long as you're getting 2/4p and keeping your 2L
But BIS is hat
dark lark
No, the answer is helm pretty unanimously.
I said helm, but it's important to also have 4p bonus if you're missing shoulders or something
I said recraft to helm when you have the luxury and flexibility to have 4p in the other 4 slots
mellow bridge
2p or 4p?
ocean yoke
you jerk put me down to #4 on heroic
waxen orbit
mellow bridge
mellow bridge
I'm actually shocked they didn't buff our ST in some way
VDH is so far behind any other raid tank now thanks to the bdk changes lmao
Literally like 3-4k St dps in bis gear
waxen orbit
Actually tragic
mellow bridge
But it's ok m+ will be fun
stuck rock
GOT MY GLOVES
gz lets see the dam you pull of now!
hardy ridge
Jakey was right, iqd is pretty nuts with banner
cinder nova
How so?
cunning viper
NF or kyr for m+?
cinder nova
Either.
scenic mural
im blanking, iqd?
mighty valley
inscrutable quantum device
urban portal
Then you proc mana
And be sad
if you are lusting on execute its probably a tough boss
and the healer is probably all dry on mana
or close
mighty valley
probably good for parsing farm bosses, lmao
urban portal
ye
raw crypt
I think I just came from this Dausegne kill
30 NL Prot Warriors vs Sepulcher?!
shell shale
How does multiple banners work? Like can you get 2 banner buffs from different warriors
urban portal
yea
waxen orbit
I love how I died on Skolex for the last 12%
And still got a #6 parse
KEKW
First day parses are fucked
waxen orbit
30 NL Prot Warriors vs Sepulcher?!
Also let's make it fucking happen
mighty valley
wondered why 2 legendaries didn't up my key dps that much and then realized i wasn't standing in the spear ring the whole time
almost makes me want to level NF to be able to move a little more freely
hardy ridge
Then you proc mana
There a macro to proc stats everytime
urban portal
only to stop execute
you cant proc stats everytime
if you could iqd would be a top trinket
mana will always be procced if a healer near you is low
health will always be procced if someone near you is low
if you have a macro please share it
it would be revolutionary
hardy ridge
if you are lusting on execute its probably a tough boss
I meant you use it with us or in execute phase
urban portal
and like i said in execute phase its really hard to proc stats
because of how much damage intake some execute phases are
like no way in hell will your iqd proc stats during halon under 20
until you are balls deep in farm
polar nimbus
whats better now necro prot or kyrian prot
urban portal
even then some disc priest is gonna burn on his mana ramping
urban portal
whats better now necro prot or kyrian prot
necro raid if you have tier
kyrian otherwise
urban portal
ky
polar nimbus
ok i appriciate u ty ❤️
hardy ridge
Yeah first time playing iqd, ill be mindful of what youre saying
urban portal
like sure
hardy ridge
I got it in vault at 278 and dont have really good trinkets
hardy ridge
Yeah i was under the impression that the macro would guarantee stats
But i suppose not
timber dagger
I kinda think kyrian leggo is useless in m+
as prot warr don't really have crits on them
and you have to stand in it to actually get the buff
NF it is
urban portal
and you have to stand in it to actually get the buff
well the crit damage is just a minor bonus
and the NF leggo requires them to stand it in
in it
for a longer duration
a tank standing still for 8 seconds is much easier than mobs standing still for 15 seconds
pine vector
Well for M+ as tank, getting the aftershock on the mobs is fairly easy.
urban portal
so is standing relatively still for 8 seconds
pine vector
100%
urban portal
8 seconds is barely the duration of 1 reprisal+shield block
not to mention the double spear duration always gets value
pine vector
True. There is also the continuous knockdown from the aftershock which is handy. I spam that on the packs in Mists or Halls and it makes it easy. Lol.
pine vector
Oh definitely.
timber dagger
i mean damage wise
we are not really getting that 25% crit damage
what's everyone crit at
mines sitting at like 6%
ionic nimbus
Dmg wise its a longer spear.. not useless
oblique garnet
🤔
pine vector
Aftershock for most things in M+ will do more damage, but the larger the pull gets the better the spear is.
urban portal
literally ignore the crit damage
ionic nimbus
Due to soulbind the CD in M+ is pretty Short… aftershock CD is much longer
pine vector
it's my bad i said it's useless
I mean, I think its dumb too, but the spear's pretty powerful either way xD
timber dagger
right now im running anger management in m+
using avatar + spear + demo shout
as a combo every pull
it's really good
but it just makes me feel bad that I can't really use that crit damage
urban portal
ok lets ignore the crit damage
pine vector
but it just makes me feel bad that I can't really use that crit damage
Yeah, that part does suck.
urban portal
if the leggo just read "your spear now deals 100% more damage"
timber dagger
lol
urban portal
it would seem crazy
but its literally the same as its current iteration in pve
95% of the time
pine vector
I think we're past that part xD
mighty valley
i mean i'm now at 19% crit so i should probably do my best to be in the circle lol
timber dagger
wow
urban portal
and yeah 19% crit on 25% crit damage is around 5% dps up
timber dagger
how the hell do you have 19% crit haaha
urban portal
how do you have 9
timber dagger
mines all haste vers
pine vector
Probably just off gear, lucky or unlucky.
urban portal
you are either really lucky or not chasing ilvl
timber dagger
well not all but most of them
urban portal
yeah my stats are a mess
pine vector
^ Pretty much
urban portal
cuz ilvl
mighty valley
also crit is fun with tier
timber dagger
im gonna try korayn tonight anyway
mighty valley
seeing big number more often
timber dagger
4 set + korayn + double leggo
damage will be juicy
althought i only have 2 set 😦
mighty egret
the amount of rage you generate with spear ravager is so gross
pine vector
I dont even have a tier piece yet. You're fine mate xD
mighty egret
love the APM
mighty valley
yeah anyone who had IP on a bad keybind will be feeling it now
timber dagger
im running anger management + into the fray in m+ atm
you guys really should try it
feels like bfa
pine vector
I tried that, then realized I needed more defensives for myself.
ionic nimbus
AM is the pick, but u should go for ravager
timber dagger
well for now I don't feel like im running out of defensive cd in 20+
pine vector
You're probably fine then.
urban portal
first sigil
13% DR every 5 minutes isnt exactly impressive
timber dagger
15%DR isnt it
urban portal
its a lot of damage for sure, but using it as a defensive is pretty trash
mighty egret
im running anger management + into the fray in m+ atm
do you run BV or BSC?
urban portal
its probably getting diminshing returns
timber dagger
boomming voice
pine vector
I currently got meat hook and the stone heart that heals. It's pretty bad 😂
timber dagger
nah
it's flat
booming voice demo + spear + first sigil + avatar
damage is juicy and tanky too
urban portal
its not flat what do you mean
anything that gives a value is subject to diminishing returns
timber dagger
if you click on first sigil
on your stat
it flat increase your versatility by 30%
urban portal
its already diminished
but anyways lets say its true and its 30
15% dr every 5 minutes is still meh
funny for huge pulls tho
where you just blast
timber dagger
well
since im running am
I get shieldwall very often
so
it's just like a filler
with strong dps
urban portal
its a damage trinket and not a tank trinket is my point
timber dagger
and 20seconds flat 15% dr is pretty good
yeah well
just so you know
it also gives you
phial effect
which is very useful
especially in necerotic weeks
urban portal
it probably would block less than a 226 aegis
ionic nimbus
It consumes phial
timber dagger
it doesn't consume phial
ionic nimbus
If your not on cd
urban portal
i mean just try it in game
timber dagger
i ran it everytime
urban portal
like literally go in game and use it rn
timber dagger
im at work
urban portal
and report back
timber dagger
lol
I feel like warrior needs more defensive cd
that's why im using one from DoS and first sigil
and working great so far
once i get 4 set
using am, and having avatar up for every pull
10% flat dr
ionic nimbus
If u want defensive, play scale and aegis… sigil is offensive for big pulls
urban portal
probably no aegis privilege
lilac bloom
I dont get it encrption affix.. i though i just tank adds.. why does tank have to pick which ur, wo, or wqatever
lilac bloom
i dont understand.. y .. i'm tank i just grab adds and they dps whatever
why am i choosing wo, urr or watever relics
i've done 10,11,12,13 np.. 15 i have problem
ionic nimbus
The first relic you kill will spawn it’s Add
urban portal
you dont choose
lilac bloom
exactly
urban portal
all of you chooses
ionic nimbus
You can mark a focus target
lilac bloom
no
ionic nimbus
As tank u are supposed to set the route, just mark the relic u want
ionic nimbus
If they kill the others it’s their fault
lilac bloom
yah.. well thats what i though i dont know y their on my back
saying i ws wrong.. was doing mythic mist.. dont know why it hits so hard on 15
then when we went to the boss.. and start hitting the add and relics then they go menlte of what i should have hit
i'm like why u blaming me .. i'm just aggroing all the ads
ionic nimbus
Give them a focus and it should be fine
urban portal
also it doesn't really matter for you
ionic nimbus
Most Pugs need advices how to eat and fart..
ionic nimbus
2 stacks of grevious should not bother you
lilac bloom
my hp was low
ionic nimbus
You should always get heals when you are low, no matter if grievous is up or not… as Prot warrior we don’t have any self heal like other tank specs to top your life by yourself
So healer was shit in every ID KEKW
lilac bloom
yah.. well i think the dungeon was giving us problems.. and as a tank its easier to blame tanks
urban portal
Your guild is stupid
lilac bloom
like saying i'm moving too far away when getting out of puddles.. etc.. or that i'm not hitting a relic thing which i have no idea whats going on .. cos ill grab aggro from the first add that pops up from killing the relic
ionic nimbus
As tank, we are always the problem… but we can blame healers xD
lilac bloom
yah.. i know.. which is y i just pug these days
ionic nimbus
90% of my keys are not pugs.. due to behavior of pugs
forest fern
I can't link it sorry, and i probably already know the answer to the question. Got a max level trinket "Codex of the first technique" in the vault, its the one out of tazavesh. Is this thing crap, for mostly raiding some m+. I get its a defensive trinket primarily just don't know if its any decent or no?
lilac bloom
defensive i'd use bloodscale
urban portal
I can't link it sorry, and i probably already know the answer to the question. ...
Not very good for warrior
forest fern
oh I know there are probably better, its just got a tasty ilvl on it is all.
yeah that's what i figured, thanks for the confirm
lilac bloom
yah.. true.. but that serves purpose well for prot wars
forest fern
well ilvl yes, but the stat on it is only stam, which isn't part of the "ilvl is god" conversation 🙂
urban portal
It kinda is
Ilvl is good because it gives strength and stamina
Tho in this case it's only stamina
forest fern
I thought the stam argument was more "if you have enough health to survive being 2-3 shot, you have enough stam" essentially
i get that stam just scales infinitely linear, but at some point anything else is probably more valuable than it, though granted that trinket has a butt load of it lol
forest fern
True, but from an effeciency point you would assume at some stage, reducing your health dropping is always the better option than just having twice the amount of it, especially given other stats do more than 1 thing to your class
urban portal
Ye ofc
Stamina is the least important part for prot war
Cuz we are all mitigation
Compared to other tanks at least
scenic mural
How good codex is for you depends on what you have available
And it gets better the higher keys you run
honest plinth
codex is ultra garbage for warrior. yre not taking 90% of your hp as damage like bdk.
sullen quartz
Is it worth swapping to necro once I get my 4set 2leggo, or stick to kyrian? M+ btw
jagged pier
right lets get this straight codex is still amazing defensively its only bad for damage as a damage reduction trinket its amazing
jagged pier
Is it worth swapping to necro once I get my 4set 2leggo, or stick to kyrian? M+ ...
u never play necro in m+
sullen quartz
Necro only worth for raids, cool ty
plush tendon
Only time I could see necro in M+ is if you in a PF with no necro class; haste buff is quite strong, but not necessary
plucky hearth
heroic rygelon hurts lol.. what do you guys use apart from ignore pain for the tank buster?
filling in for this fight
plush tendon
Much easier to get big value from spear and EM
mighty valley
NF ability utility is really nice in some places
but not enough to get me to build NF renown
plush tendon
There was a day where I would have said NF is stonks…. But that was 9.0.5
I just think overall, Kyr is de way
If AA was uncapped, I could be convinced again though
plush tendon
Meh
plucky hearth
the uptime on first strike would make it worth for me
plush tendon
Best way to play spiteful weeks is to kill everything at the same time
And then move on
But NF and Kyr are still very close and no one will question either one
plush tendon
heroic rygelon hurts lol.. what do you guys use apart from ignore pain for the t...
Is the dot killing you or the initial hit?
jagged pier
u should only be taking 1 stack which is very managable
ruby stirrup
@jagged pier ya jakey pakey i have never seen such love for protection like you before like how do you enjoy thunderclapping all the way to victory
@jagged pier do you even understand that we are a mem tank in this expansion
go play monk or somethin else , even sco changed from warrior
protect your god damn guild
sweet summit
who?
strong forum
:susge:
mighty valley
this is the worst shittalk I’ve ever seen
strong forum
Sco is playing monk since bfa cuz it's foolproof
He doesn't even prepare other tanks
@chilly brook fuck those weapons look awesome, I think ill check out 9.2.5 just to level a DID and get those mogs
blazing condor
Trinkets are kinda doodoo
Does tier set change with specs btw?
Theyre not spec bound
sweet summit
raid tank trinkets stink and smell bad
median tulip
Obviously on the day the storyline gives us a free belt, the vault offers me a max rank belt. Because of course it does.
blazing condor
At least tokens give sockets
drifting trench
Boys
Where do i craft unity?
Regarding i have signet in ring slot for fury spec
main veldt
Where do i craft unity?
drifting trench
And reprisal on boots for prot / wall on back
median tulip
Right now I'm thinking of putting mine on gloves, or maybe ring, as it'll be the biggest single upgrade for my 2pc ass
mighty valley
You won’t be using unity belt forever, seems fine to grab depending on other options
sweet summit
Right now I'm thinking of putting mine on gloves, or maybe ring, as it'll be the...
wrist>gloves
median tulip
Yeah but my wrist already has 18 ilvls on my gloves
mighty valley
If you’ve got cash lying around and just want power now, sure, just do an ilvl boost
But you’ll make another eventually
sweet summit
crafting on gloves kinda int
median tulip
More to the point I have a max rank blacksmith and jewelcrafter
sweet summit
idk
drifting trench
Guys no reason on gloves lol
mighty valley
I’m just gonna be lazy and only craft helm
drifting trench
Only where it can be socceted
what do u think about ring for unity?
do i loose lots of str?
mighty valley
No main stat kinda cringe
sweet summit
yes, but it's not the end of the world
locks a ring slot which means you only need one ring from m+/raid
sweet summit
median tulip
I've got a 278 belt in the vault though (the only other option is the Slimy Consumptive Organ, which... no
sweet summit
could just take socket, or the belt for when you move unity to head
jagged pier
291 is still higher than 278
median tulip
Yeah but 291 is also higher than 252, which is my gloves at the moment